[03:45] <pitti> desrt: I was, but there were two metric tons of rejections and some more problems, so I put that on the backburner; it's accepted upstream now, isn't it?
[03:45] <pitti> Trevinho: ah, that's right
[03:48] <pitti> Trevinho: I uploaded policykit-desktop-privileges_0.14.dsc to fix that, but it'll be stuck in unapproved until after beta-2
[04:46] <desrt> pitti: upstream did a different patch
[05:51] <BigWhale> Good Morning.
[05:55] <didrocks> hey BigWhale!
[06:09] <BigWhale> didrocks, hey. :)
[06:09] <BigWhale> Who do I go to if my go to Ubuntu upload guy is missing? :)
[06:11] <didrocks> BigWhale: patch pilot is working fine nowadays :)
[06:12] <didrocks> BigWhale: like the list was at ~14 items yesterday, directly pinging the patch pilot helps!
[06:12] <BigWhale> patch pilot?
[06:12] <didrocks> BigWhale: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews
[06:13] <didrocks> BigWhale: you never noticed all those emails on the ubuntu-devel ML?
[06:13] <BigWhale> I am not really familiar with all the official channels. :/ I was just bugging ken. :>
[06:13] <didrocks> just go on #ubuntu-devel, follow the regular sponsorship process (see above, there are links ;)). If there is someone in /topic with patch pilot, you can in addition directly pings them!
[06:15] <BigWhale> Ok, thanks. :)
[06:16] <didrocks> yw ;)
[06:18] <BigWhale> hmmm... now I'm all confused. I just want Kazam which is now at 1.4.1 in Raring to get bumped to 1.4.2 :>
[06:19] <BigWhale> I'll ask around. :)
[06:50] <jibel> good morning
[06:50] <didrocks> salut jibel, ça va?
[06:50] <jibel> salut didrocks ! Ça va bien et toi ?
[06:52] <didrocks> jibel: ça va bien :)
[07:36] <ogra_> seb128, any objection to make the terminals recommends of u-desktop ?
[07:36] <ogra_> (they are hard deps atm)
[07:36] <seb128> ogra_, none to me
[07:36] <seb128> to->from
[07:36]  * ogra_ does it then 
[07:37] <seb128> in practice all non-key-piece-of-infrastructure could be recommends
[07:37] <ogra_> hmm, or i'll better wait until beta is out
[07:37] <seb128> like there is no reason to force apps on users
[07:37] <seb128> well, commit to the seed so it gets in next time somebody refresh the package
[07:38] <ogra_> yep
[07:40] <pitti> hey seb128, bonjour
[07:40] <seb128> pitti, salut, ça va bien ?
[07:40] <pitti> seb128: oui, merci; et toi ?
[07:41] <seb128> pitti, très bien, merci ;-)
[09:11] <darkxst> pitti, hi
[09:12] <pitti> hello darkxst
[09:13] <darkxst> I think we should have a bunch of crash reports against packages with ddebs now
[09:14] <darkxst> bug 1163400
[11:13] <davmor2> hey guys I have an odd issue, all the album art from my u1 music isn't showing up in nautilus, rb or dash.  This is only for local music according to eyed3 the image is imbedded in the mp3 so I am wondering if it is something that nautilus is striping out some how?
[11:23] <davmor2> hey guys I have an odd issue, all the album art from my u1 music isn't showing up in nautilus, rb or dash.  This is only for local music according to eyed3 the image is imbedded in the mp3 so I am wondering if it is something that nautilus is striping out some how?
[11:24] <davmor2> sorry if that is a reapet I wasn't sure if it got through
[11:25] <seb128> it went
[11:25] <seb128> nautilus is not modifying any file so that's not it for sure
[11:26] <seb128> not sure how the artwork is embedded in the file, maybe gstreamer/whatever is handling that is having an issue with it
[11:31] <davmor2> seb128: thanks, eyed3 is listing it like this https://pastebin.canonical.com/88389/  I'm not sure why nautilus isn't showing  it though as far as I know it is in Quantal >  is displaying it just not in the latest raring, this was an install from Tuesdays iso
[11:32] <seb128> where was it displayed before? as thumbnail in nautilus?
[11:32] <seb128> can you open a bug with an example file attached?
[11:36] <davmor2> seb128: in ~/.ubuntuone/Purchased from Ubuntu One/<artist_name>/<album>/  the track.mp3 would show the album art
[11:37] <davmor2> seb128: I don't know if I can add a commercial purchased mp3 to a launchpad bug for legal reasons, I can possibly share one with you directly
[11:38] <seb128> can you test if the same file was showing previews in quantal (or precise)?
[11:38] <davmor2> seb128: I can when I get home
[11:39] <davmor2> seb128: I'm co-working today
[11:39] <seb128> k, let me know how that works
[11:40] <davmor2> seb128: no worries if it shows up in quantal and precise and not in raring I'll open up a bug.
[11:40] <seb128> thanks
[11:40] <seb128> if you open a bug maybe put a link to a temporary u1 link to download the song
[11:41] <seb128> or just share the link in private on IRC
[11:41] <seb128> but first I would need a better description of the issue
[11:41] <seb128> nautilus doesn't display thumbnails of mp3 with a covert art image here
[11:41] <seb128> but I'm not sure it ever did
[11:41] <seb128> the dash/rhythmbox show those though
[11:48] <davmor2> seb128: right I'll add a load of screenshot of what I see in raring in comparison to what I see  in Quantal/Precise too then.  Along with eyed3 info on tracks.
[13:05] <attente> hey seb128
[13:05] <attente> what version of g-c-c will be in S?
[13:05] <seb128> attente, hey
[13:05] <seb128> good question, I don't know yet
[13:05] <seb128> 3.8 if possible
[13:05] <seb128> but they "broke" quite some stuff for us
[13:06] <ogra_> i think its 3.7 now
[13:06] <seb128> like they statically link all their panels
[13:06] <ogra_> (i.e. what will be in the initial toolchain upload)
[13:06] <seb128> which makes harder to have external panels
[13:06] <ogra_> oh. lol
[13:06] <seb128> ogra_, gnome-control-center
[13:06] <seb128> ogra_, you are on #desktop, not  #toolchain ;-)
[13:06]  * ogra_ totally missed what channel he was in and even more missed the dashes
[13:06] <ogra_> yeah
[13:07] <attente> lol
[13:19] <rsacha> hi. can anybody tell me something about how the unity launcher retrieves the bookmark information displayed when right-klicking on the nautilus launcher icon?
[13:19] <didrocks> rsacha: it's from the .desktop file of the application for the static quicklists
[13:20] <didrocks> for nautilus, it's a dynamic one
[13:20] <didrocks> so it's the nautilus process which is exposing its bookmarks
[13:20] <rsacha> didrock: what a pity - i hoped it would fetch it from the .gtk-bookmarks file
[13:21] <seb128> it sort of does
[13:21] <seb128> through nautilus
[13:21] <seb128> nautilus reads that file
[13:21] <rsacha> seb128, i see.
[13:22] <didrocks> in adding to that, it's exposing the default ones, what .gtk-bookmarks wouldn't have
[13:22] <rsacha> background is that we use 12.04 in an ltsp environment and nautilus has to run on the appserver. when it runs on that appserver, no bookmarks are displayed in the nautilus launcher.
[13:23] <rsacha> is there any way to create a workaround for that scenario?
[13:23] <didrocks> I have no knowledge of LTSP, but if you can come with a patch with tests from someone knowing it, that would be great. I think it's a bigger issue with dynamic quicklist and LTSP though
[13:25] <rsacha> didrocks, i guess our setup: launcher=local and nautilus=remote is rather exotic and i wonder if it makes sense to create a patch for that :)
[13:26] <didrocks> rsacha: indeed, it's quite hackish ;) I doubt you will find a reliable workaround though :)
[13:28] <rsacha> didrocks, true. iw onder if it is possible to start a nautilus process locally in "hidden" mode - one that doesn't appear in the launcher and doesn't draw the desktop. that way, the launcher would retrieve the needed information for the remote nautilus from the local nautilus process
[13:29] <didrocks> rsacha: that's possible, if you click on the nautilus icon, you have a local version running?
[13:33] <rsacha> didrocks, no, we created /usr/local/bin/nautilus which is a script that runs "ltsp-remoteapps nautilus". so everytime we run nautilus it is started remotely. the only way to start it locally is to run /usr/bin/nautilus directly
[13:35] <didrocks> rsacha: you probably have issues with bamf matching I guess
[13:38] <rsacha> didrocks, uuh-ooh. bamf, never knew that something like that existed :)
[13:40] <didrocks> rsacha: right, taht's why I think the support isn't there nor really possible :)
[15:42] <desrt> seb128: hey... looks like my suspicion that we would have more breakage caused by my iface-after-init changes uncovered only after the stable release turned out to be true
[15:42] <seb128> desrt, gtkmm and mono?
[15:42] <desrt> seb128: some c++ and c# apps are broken as a result.  there is a workaround in glib that will be part of .1 but maybe you want to pick the changes in the meantime
[15:43] <seb128> desrt, will do, thanks
[15:43] <desrt> both camps agreed to try to have a 'real fix' by next cycle
[15:44] <seb128> you basically broke all the bindings but only pitti noticed and got pygobject fixed? ;-)
[15:44] <pitti> to be fair, desrt pointed out the breakage
[15:44] <pitti> I didn't have to discover by accident
[15:45] <pitti> although the test suite would have told me fairly quickly :)
[15:45] <desrt> seb128: problem is that neither gtkmm nor gtk# follow the unstable cycle
[15:45] <desrt> which is fine.... i expected that there would be people who didn't notice until now
[15:45] <desrt> that's why i made the change the way i did
[15:45] <desrt> easy to backout and/or add exceptions
[15:45] <seb128> right
[15:46] <seb128> that still makes me a bit uneasy
[15:46] <desrt> it ought to
[15:46] <desrt> it makes me uneasy too
[15:46] <desrt> but i'm pretty sure it's the right way
[15:46] <seb128> like are we going to find next that the java bindings have the same issue? ;-)
[15:46] <seb128> (not sure if anyone uses those)
[15:47] <desrt> i've stopped caring about supporting weird uses of glib in a 100% compatible way forever
[15:47] <desrt> it's far more realistic to be compatible for 99% of the apps out there and have good mechanisms for distros to deal with the 1% cases in a sane way
[15:58] <seb128> desrt, do you plan to commit those to https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/log/?h=glib-2-36 as well?
[15:58] <desrt> oh.  right
[15:59] <desrt> thanks for the obvious reminder :p
[15:59] <seb128> yw ;-)
[15:59] <desrt> in fact, it's questionable that they should be on master at all
[15:59] <desrt> but i guess people running the development release may as well be without crashes for now :)
[15:59] <seb128> yeah, will make binding people happier I think
[15:59] <seb128> let them some time to fix their side
[16:00] <desrt> cherry-picked and pushed
[16:00] <seb128> thanks
[16:02] <apt-get_install> didrocks, there?
[16:03] <didrocks> hey apt-get_install!
[16:03] <didrocks> yep ;)
[16:03] <apt-get_install> hi
[16:03] <apt-get_install> Will I be able to compile and install programs from source on Ubuntu Touch? (didrocks)
[16:04] <didrocks> apt-get_install: sure, it's even already possible :)
[16:04]  * ogra_ wonders why you dont ask in #ubuntu-touch ;)
[16:04] <bhavesh> idk if my question is related to the topic, but I just wanted to know if Ubuntu touch works only for high end phones or even on phones with 1Ghz singe core processor and 512MB RAM?
[16:04] <didrocks> ogra_: we were after the hangout and we told people to come on #ubuntu-desktop for those still having questions
[16:04] <apt-get_install> didrocks: nice, thanks
[16:04] <didrocks> ogra_: it wasn't a touch show related :)
[16:04] <ogra_> didrocks, ah, cool
[16:05] <didrocks> ogra_: do you have the webpages for bhavesh with the low-end device and high-end device? (IIRC, there is one)
[16:05] <apt-get_install> and will Ubuntu Touch be rooted as deafult?
[16:05] <ogra_> you mean the ones that UTouch was ported to yet ?
[16:05] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[16:05] <didrocks> bhavesh: ^
[16:06] <bhavesh> didrocks, ogra_ Thank you. <3
[16:06] <nikth> didrocks, how about an idea to run an image of Ubuntu for mobile on a PC TV stick such as .. Rikomagic ? Will that be possible at all ? worth to try it ? Thanks
[16:06] <didrocks> apt-get_install: yeah, for only touch question, we should migrate to #ubuntu-touch, but it's the kind of questions we don't know yet :)
[16:06] <apt-get_install> oh
[16:06] <ogra_> apt-get_install, the version you install on your own will ... versions on devices preinstalled by manufacturers will likely not (depends on the manufacturer)
[16:06] <apt-get_install> ah
[16:06] <apt-get_install> like android then?
[16:07] <ogra_> well, carriers and manufacturers often require that
[16:07] <apt-get_install> so, you must jailbreak it then
[16:07] <ogra_> but if we have a carrier device there will very likely be an ubuntu image you can install yourself on it
[16:07] <apt-get_install> I rather download and install it by my own
[16:07] <didrocks> nikth: there is a porting guide, if it's running android, it will be really easy (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting). For others, can be a little bit harder ;)
[16:08] <nikth> Yea didrocks  , for me (I have a RockChip) is little bit harder , is not so Linux friendly. The SoC is rooted by default but ... we'll see. Thanks for the link !
[16:09] <didrocks> nikth: yw! :-)
[16:36] <didrocks> mterry: I loose faith in humanity understanding sarcasm :)
[16:37] <didrocks> mterry: especially if they listened to the show when I talked about a wine indicator :)
[16:37] <mterry> didrocks, I felt bad for peeps, they seemed to actually be upset
[16:37] <didrocks> indeed, it's all dholbach's fault! Germans, again :-)
[16:37] <mterry> didrocks, you're not in #ubuntu-touch?
[16:37] <didrocks> oh hey ogra_!
[16:37] <didrocks> :)
[16:38]  * didrocks joins one more channel for spam ;)
[16:38] <ogra_> yo
[16:38] <ogra_> didrocks, intresting, sarcasm usually makes me grow faiuth in humanity :)
[16:38] <ogra_> *faith
[16:39] <didrocks> ogra_: well, they didn't get it, that's why I'm loosing faith ;)
[16:39] <ogra_> heh, ok
[16:40] <rvr> didrocks: Loosing faith is cool ;)
[17:18] <seb128> mterry, don't ruin the g+ comments fun :p
[17:18] <mterry> seb128, heh, I felt bad
[17:19] <seb128> mterry, no trolling on social media websites? :-(
[17:20] <ogra_> huh ?
[17:20] <ogra_> i thought thats what G+ is for
[17:20] <ogra_> trolling and cat pictures
[17:22] <didrocks> ogra_: I don't have the same circles than you it seems
[17:22] <didrocks> (for cat pictures ;))
[17:22] <didrocks> cat: pictures: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
[17:22] <didrocks> btw ;)
[17:23] <ogra_> well, there also is that small fraction of people that break their phone backs all the time to take pics of the cracks ...
[17:23]  * ogra_ looks at popey 
[17:23]  * popey flutters his eyes at ogra_ 
[17:24] <ogra_> :)
[17:24] <didrocks> ogra_: oh right, they seem to really perservere in that path :p
[17:24] <ogra_> my nexus4 lives in a phone sock ...  i drop it all the time :)
[17:25]  * Nafallo just put an invisibleShield on his beloved phone.
[17:25] <Nafallo> now I just need to wait 12-24 hours to get to use it again.
[17:25] <ogra_> i had such a rubber condom ... but it makes it look like an iphone
[17:40]  * didrocks waves good evening
[20:43] <GunnarHj> Anybody who can create a Precise task at bug 1161953?
[20:43] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1161953 in language-selector (Ubuntu) "gnome-language-selector crashed with TypeError in _expand_pkg_pattern(): not enough arguments for format string" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1161953
[20:48] <rsalveti> bryce: I'm looking at the xorg fix for bug 982889
[20:48] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 982889 in OEM Priority Project precise "X trying to start before plymouth has finished using the drm driver" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/982889
[20:48] <rsalveti> drm_device_keep_trying.patch
[20:48] <rsalveti> do you know if this patch is still needed?
[20:48] <rsalveti> it broke all platform devices (not pci), including panda
[20:49] <rsalveti> because the patch is trying to parse the syspath by hand, and just dealing with the pci use case
[20:49] <rsalveti> while before it was grabbing the busid from the drm functions
[20:50] <rsalveti> bryce: the patch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5677931/
[20:50] <rsalveti> tjaalton: ^
[20:52] <tjaalton> rsalveti: mlankhorst did further changes to it
[20:52] <bryce> yeah the syspath stuff was mlankhorst's change
[20:52] <rsalveti> tjaalton: right, seems the description is not matching the patch
[20:52] <bryce> maybe we should switch to the patchset I sent upstream
[20:52] <rsalveti> bryce: have the link?
[20:52] <bryce> yeah one sec
[20:53] <mlankhorst> rsalveti: judging from the kernel that was the only working case..
[20:53] <mlankhorst> maybe I misread it
[20:54] <rsalveti> nops, we also have platform devices
[20:54] <bryce> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg-devel/2013-March/035782.html
[20:54] <rsalveti> such as /sys/devices/platform/omapdrm/drm/card0
[20:54] <rsalveti> mlankhorst: ^
[20:54] <rsalveti> bryce: thanks
[20:54] <mlankhorst> hmz
[20:55] <mlankhorst> I see, I'll try to make it work correctly on pandaboard then
[20:56] <rsalveti> mlankhorst: shouldn't we just use the patches that bryce sent upstream?
[20:56] <mlankhorst> rsalveti: it's a workaround, I'd rather drop the patch entirely
[20:57] <mlankhorst> since his version basically didn t work and only timed out, maybe that's fixed now, but if we could determine busid without requiring master then I think we should...
[20:57] <rsalveti> mlankhorst: problem is that we'd be parsing the string by hand
[20:57] <rsalveti> not that elegant
[20:58] <rsalveti> the busid for panda would be platform:omapdrm:0
[20:58] <mlankhorst> indeed, I'd rather have it as sysfs property...
[20:58] <mlankhorst> which wouldn't be too hard
[20:58] <rsalveti> so we need to grab the driver name and then the card id
[20:58] <mlankhorst> or just fallback if it's not a pci device
[20:58] <mlankhorst> would that be ok?
[20:59] <rsalveti> mlankhorst: yup
[20:59] <rsalveti> mlankhorst: will you work on this patch?
[20:59] <mlankhorst> sure
[20:59] <mlankhorst> can you open a bug report and assign it to me?
[20:59] <rsalveti> there's one already, let me post the details there
[20:59] <mlankhorst> I'm not on my computer, and about to fall asleep :P
[21:00] <rsalveti> sure
[21:06] <rsalveti> mlankhorst: bug 1161981
[21:06] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1161981 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Boot stalls after Ubuntu Raring desktop ARM (Panda board) install" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1161981
[22:03] <thumper> can someone explain to me why I don't have any Display system settings any more (with raring)?
[22:03] <thumper> also, why don't I have the sync indicator showing?
[22:04] <sarnold> thumper: hrm, I've got a "displays" system settings page on my intel hd4000 raring ...
[22:05] <thumper> sarnold: I went through a phase of having two...
[22:05] <thumper> sarnold: and now I have none...
[22:05] <sarnold> thumper: haha :) nice
[22:05] <bschaefer> thumper, i've had a few of mine 'disappeared' with recent updates...check if you have them installed
[22:05] <thumper> sarnold: the early two was when I was on quantal with a development ppa
[22:05] <thumper> bschaefer: what should be installed?
[22:06] <bschaefer> thumper, hmm check if you have: gnome-control-center
[22:06] <bschaefer> and possibly gnome-backgrounds
[22:06] <thumper> bschaefer: Installed: 1:3.6.3-0ubuntu18
[22:06]  * bschaefer forgot which one was missing
[22:08] <bschaefer> thumper, you've got gnome-backgrounds as well?
[22:10] <thumper> bschaefer: no
[22:12] <koder> hello everybody
[22:12] <bschaefer> thumper, well hopefully that'll give you system display back...but I think that was for appearance...
[22:13] <thumper> ah...
[22:13] <thumper> bschaefer: you are right, I have displays, but no appearance
[22:13] <thumper> bschaefer: any clue about the sync indicator?
[22:14] <bschaefer> thumper, hmm i had a few indicators go away as well try: sudo apt-get install indicator-sync
[22:14] <thumper> gah, session indicator all screwed up again
[22:14] <thumper> after install
[22:14] <thumper> shows all users as ((null))
[22:14] <bschaefer> :(
[22:14] <bschaefer> i've not seen that!
[22:14] <bschaefer> thumper, possibly a compiz --replace ccp
[22:14] <thumper> I get it whenever the system indicator is updated
[22:15] <bschaefer> well I only have guest and my own account, so i
[22:15] <bschaefer> i've never noticed it change to null
[22:15] <thumper> I have a second account where I have personal stuff only open
[22:15] <thumper> so I can use my laptop without thinking of work
[22:15] <thumper> so I have email, but just personal email
[22:15] <thumper> irc, but just personal irc
[22:15] <thumper> etc
[22:16] <bschaefer> o nice, I use to do that with my desktop but i've stopped using it...I should split things up like that as well
[22:16]  * thumper waves at jasoncwarner
[22:16] <jasoncwarner> hey thumper
[22:16] <jasoncwarner> thumper I don't know why you don't have the display settings or indicator. can you file a bug and we'll look into it?
[22:17] <thumper> jasoncwarner: I was wrong, it was appearance I was missing, not displays
[22:17] <thumper> but sure, I can file a bug
[22:17] <thumper> just installing the kernel updates, so will need to reboot after that
[22:18] <jasoncwarner> thumper, yeah, reboot and see if it persists
[22:18] <thumper> jasoncwarner: I just installed gnome-backgrounds which bschaefer seemed to think was needed
[22:18] <thumper> jasoncwarner: but wasn't in the deps, so somehow got removed?
[22:19] <thumper> I'd hope that in making sure I had ubuntu-desktop installed, I'd get all the goodness
[22:20]  * bschaefer had the entire g-c-c go away a week or so ago
[22:20] <bschaefer> but I just needed to re-install somethings...
[22:21] <thumper> should I have a dkms.conf file?
[22:22] <thumper> I get: Error! Could not locate dkms.conf file. after every kernel update
[22:22]  * thumper reboots
[22:24] <thumper> jasoncwarner_: any particular tag I should use for the bugs?
[22:25] <bryce> jasoncwarner, any lockups since changing the semaphores setting?
[22:25] <thumper> jasoncwarner: what should I file the bugs under?
[22:27]  * thumper files three bugs
[22:30] <jasoncwarner_> bryce: no hangouts just yet...fingers crossed!
[22:34] <bryce> good
[22:41] <thumper> jasoncwarner: bugs filed and links in a PM
[22:41]  * thumper saves extra peer reviews for after lunch
[23:07] <RAOF> desrt: Want to pop into #ubuntu-mir for a moment? We'd like to make your life more awesome.