[00:02] <sary> roasted: which macbook modle, and have you tried swiching to refind .. as it has lots of improvements as mentioned in http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/getting.html
[00:02] <roasted> mid 2010
[00:02] <roasted> I'm not even sureit's worth it. Having a hybrid partition table is kind of a mess anyway
[00:04] <sary> right , see: http://www.rodsbooks.com/ubuntu-efi/
[00:05] <sary> I use to hear alot of people use to get it woking fine in the past.
[00:05] <roasted> I'm sure if I do a regular install of Ubuntu on the Mac it'll work great. I have an iMac at work with only Ubuntu and it's great.
[00:06] <roasted> but I've heard people say before with having OSX and Ubuntu on one disk, the differences of the partition table layout is a hot mess
[00:06] <sary> Nice.
[00:06] <phunyguy> roasted, I am going to try this on my mac
[00:06] <phunyguy> to see if it is inteed sometthing with my laptop.
[00:06] <phunyguy> indeed*
[00:10] <roasted> I managed to get into the recovery shell of another kernel and removed everything in xorg.conf
[00:10] <roasted> now I'm booted up but without brightness controls again
[00:10] <roasted> why is apple gear such a bummer
[00:13] <phunyguy> mine works great with buntu
[00:13] <roasted> is it JUST ubuntu?
[00:13] <phunyguy> not yet
[00:13] <phunyguy> lol
[00:13] <roasted> any apple device I've dual booted has been extremely problematic
[00:13] <roasted> any apple device I've put only linux on has been as problem-free as a regular system
[00:14] <phunyguy> oh right
[00:14] <sary> roasted: could it be your Graphics card drive!
[00:14] <phunyguy> yeah this wont be dual boot
[00:15] <roasted> sary: sure, but it's nvidia - nvidia has been good
[00:15] <roasted> in my experience
[00:16] <sary> roasted: see if there is driver updates for your chipset , from additional drivers.
[00:21] <roasted> sary: I did, I had them installed.
[00:22] <sary> i hope this upgrade to gnome 3.8 solve these last carshes i had, because there is a driver-updates for my nvidia card , which i think these wholes crashes is related to.
[00:22] <roasted> what whole crashes?
[00:22] <sary> roasted: good to know then.
[00:23] <sary> I have 6 bug reborted in 5 days!
[00:23] <roasted> I've reported 3 in 2 days
[00:23] <roasted> :(
[00:24] <phunyguy> I've reported 3 in a year and they aren't fixed.
[00:24] <phunyguy> good luck
[00:24] <sary> there you go ..
[00:27] <roasted> one that I reported the other day was fixed within 2 days
[00:27] <roasted> take that phunyguy
[00:27] <phunyguy> pfft
[00:27] <phunyguy> your bugs are easy
[00:27] <phunyguy> I find the good ones
[00:28] <sary> tahah :)
[00:28] <sary> I subscribed few developers on some of the reports :D
[00:31] <sary> there is a Mactel project, but it looks dead!
[00:35] <phunyguy> someone please highlight me
[00:35] <roasted> phunyguy: nevar
[00:35] <phunyguy> danke
[00:36] <phunyguy> no tray icon for quassel in all but kubuntu
[00:36] <phunyguy> :-/
[00:36] <phunyguy> (and gnome3)
[00:36] <roasted> tray icon in the notification menu?
[00:36] <phunyguy> yeah. and xfce doesnt have a notification menu
[00:37] <phunyguy> none there either
[00:40] <sary> roasted: see #3 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1020373
[00:45] <sary> roasted: another interesting one .. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/206921
[00:46] <sary> roasted: see if you can change the brightness in the NVIDIA X Server Settings.
[00:49] <sary> roasted: have you tried a similar method as answer (5) here http://askubuntu.com/questions/76081/brightness-not-working-after-installing-nvidia-driver
[00:57] <roasted> I just went back to the nouveau driver and brightness controls are working.
[01:56] <sary> good thinkin on you part.
[02:00] <roasted> well
[02:00] <roasted> not sure about that
[02:00] <roasted> I forgot why I went to the nvidia driver until I was back on nouveau
[02:00] <roasted> it seems as if with relative ease I can trigger GS to crash
[02:00] <roasted> but I wasn't able to get GS to crash on nvidia
[02:00] <roasted> but I have 0 brightness control on nvidia. gah.
[03:56] <roasted> Does the Gnome3 PPA work fo rMint?
[03:56] <roasted> I'm tempted to fire up a Mint/Gnome3 box for some comparisons.
[12:48] <camelinahat> Morning folks.
[12:49] <camelinahat> jbicha: Any more word from ubuntu-releases on the beta 2 download links? Is it potentially due to the oversized warning?
[12:50] <camelinahat> Hmm no not the overside as UbuntuKylin also has oversized warnings but their download links are appearing
[12:50] <jbicha> camelinahat: use http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/
[12:51] <camelinahat> jbicha: Yeah that's what I had figured, just wanted to make sure. Is that beta 2, or just a Canidate for beta 2?
[12:52] <jbicha> camelinahat: it's still a candidate, we need those testcases completed before official release of the beta
[12:53] <camelinahat> Ah gotcha. How many completed do you need? Or just one of each test case?
[12:54] <jbicha> I think it's a minimum of 1 completion per test case
[12:55] <camelinahat> Perfect. And finally just to confirm using a virtual machine to run the tests on is acceptable yes?
[12:57] <jbicha> camelinahat: yes, the tests are mostly just testing installability
[13:12] <camelinahat> Hrm... jbicha One interesting note is that I have that image currently installed (the Ubuntu Gnome 13.04 daily build from April 2nd). So I'm going through the 'Install (erase entire disk)' test case right now. And it says "Erase Ubuntu Raring Ringtail and reinstall" rather than specifically saying Ubuntu Gnome. That a bug to file with the installer package?
[13:30] <jbicha> camelinahat: I think there are some wording issues with the installer (for instance it says Ubuntu-GNOME instead of Ubuntu GNOME in several places)
[13:31] <jbicha> but we're past UI Freeze so as long as it's not a very big problem I'd rather wait until next cycle
[13:32] <jbicha> if you do it now, it would need a UIFE (and still is too late for this Beta) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#UserInterfaceFreeze_Exceptions
[13:33] <camelinahat> No wasn't anything major I saw, and in this case is may be more unique were Ubuntu GNOME was already installed and I'm erasing and reinstalling.
[13:56] <jbicha> camelinahat: are you testing 32bit or 64?
[13:56] <camelinahat> 64-bit at the moment.. well it's pretty much completed but I have to upload a hardware profile
[13:57] <jbicha> camelinahat: could you log in to the qa tracker and mark the testcases you're working on as "In progress"?
[13:57] <camelinahat> Done
[14:00] <jbicha> I don't think the hardware profile is mandatory
[14:06] <roasted> hello friends
[14:06] <camelinahat> jbicha: Oh I see. I know the U+1 wiki for iso testing QA says they want it to report a pass or a fail. (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/U+1/iso-testing-qa#Step_2:_Hardware_Profile) so I was just going by that
[15:05] <roasted> Anybody having their entire GUI crash by opening Nautilus with no other windows open on 13.04 with Gnome3?
[16:54] <jbicha> ok, i386 testcases are almost done, we have a few more amd64 ones though
[17:04] <camelinahat> jbicha: I just completed the entire disk with lvm and encryption (much slower than a standard install haha)
[17:06] <camelinahat> About to do the 'live session' test since the bug listed has been fixed (the links are now displayed)
[17:14] <jbicha> live session failed here on i386 the second time I booted the image :(
[17:42] <roasted> currently purging Gnome3 PPA so to see if my problems are 13.04/beta related or PPA related.
[17:45] <roasted> well Nautilus is not crashing my system each time I open it on 3.6.3.1. Def Gnome3 PPA related.
[17:48] <roasted> and I have a battery indicator! :) :) :) :) :)
[17:48] <camelinahat> I'm going to have to delay the Live Session one for the time being, so I deleted my 'in progress' for now. (Work)
[18:04] <jbicha> camelinahat: thanks for the help
[18:33] <camelinahat> jbicha: I'm glad to help out as best I can :)
[21:04] <darkxst> roasted, do you have nautilus doing desktop icons?
[21:42] <roasted> darkxst, no
[21:42] <darkxst> roasted, does apport catch the crash? can you get a backtrace?
[21:43] <roasted> it does the same thing regardless
[21:43] <roasted> I filed a bug on it
[21:44] <roasted> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1164086
[21:44] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1164086 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Gnome Shell non-recoverable crash when opening Nautilus more than once." [Undecided,New]
[21:46] <roasted> I think the fact it crashes twice in one  minute is why it won't recover
[21:50] <darkxst> roasted, need a backtrace to see what is going on, if it triggers an apport(ubuntu-bug) dialog, then click "examine locally"
[21:51] <darkxst> and there will be an option to generate a symbolic stacktrace of the crash
[21:52] <roasted> can I get that to you later ?  I'm on my phone now but I'd love to help
[21:56] <darkxst> roasted, sure
[22:11] <roasted> hi, sorry about that
[22:11] <roasted> I actually disabled apport because it comes up every 2 freakin minutes :P
[22:11] <roasted> but when I filed the bug I filed it against ubuntu-bug gnome-shell
[22:11] <roasted> let me reenable it and crash it
[22:12] <roasted> actually on this laptop apport is 1, so it should be enabled
[22:12] <roasted> darkxst: just had it crash - no apport message.
[22:13] <roasted> darkxst: are you on 13.04 with Gnome3 PPA enabled and on 3.8.0.1? I've found this SUPER easy to replicate.
[22:14] <darkxst> yeh, I just reproduced it
[22:16] <roasted> at least it's not me being crazy
[22:16] <roasted> feel free to bump a comment on that bug report that you saw it too :P
[22:16] <roasted> I'm surprised I'm not hearing more people complaining about it. Nautilus is what I spend a truckload of time in, so it's often the FIRST thing I open - which is exactly when this bug lands.
[22:17] <darkxst> roasted, see I am safe then, terminal is the first thing I usually open ;)
[22:18] <roasted> terminal is often the 2nd thing I open :P
[22:18] <roasted> I do a truckload of SSH work, but I'm currently testing some sync clients for owncloud and whatnot, so I open nautilus to make sure things come across as I expect.
[22:51] <phillw> hey, my memory isn't that bad after all :)
[22:51] <phillw> I have moved my mirror of U-G entry from 'daily' to beta-1 so that the zsync programme uses it. Once the beta-2 is mirrored up, I will delete that entry.
[22:52] <phillw> it's just an internal alteration to the mirror that speeds up syncing the beta-2 and saves on bandwidth from the canonical server.
[23:19] <jbicha> phillw: oh I meant ubuntu-gnome@lists.ubuntu.com
[23:19] <jbicha> as it has a lot more readers than even here
[23:27] <phillw> jbicha: It's only an administrative task on my mirror. I down loaded the 'daily' so that zsync would not have to install from scratch. There was never a beta-1, just that I took a snap-shot of your 'nearly' beta-1 for the sole purpose of the update script having a reference point to zsync against.
[23:29] <phillw> That daily is now well out of date and has served its purpose to allow the guy who looks after the script that does all the zsyncs to http://phillw.net/isos/ to ensure it runs correctly. There are two new flavours to mirror this cycle and he wants to ensure the script works for them both :)
[23:33] <phillw> jbicha: have I explained that correctly, or would you like me try and start from the beginning. I fully understand that you do not know the actual script and will be happy to give you more details (you can even view the script, which I can just about follow!).
[23:35] <jbicha> phillw: I think I understand, I just thought you might like to advertise your mirror more widely so I suggested our mailing list
[23:36] <phillw> jbicha: I only mirror, it's up to the teams to decide if they wish to take advantage of it.
[23:38] <phillw> jbicha: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu#Mirror_Sites
[23:38] <phillw> you may well find that lafibre will also agree to mirror, they do have several *buntu's on there.
[23:41] <phillw> jbicha: you really have no idea how simple ubutnu-gnome is to look after :P
[23:42] <jbicha> phillw: hmm?
[23:42] <jbicha> do you want the job? ;)
[23:44] <phillw> lmfao... have a look at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/264/builds ... You take on TL for  QA / Testing for lubuntu, and I'll do u-gnome :)
[23:45] <jbicha> phillw: lol, there's a reason we only have 2 images :)
[23:48] <phillw> and there is a reason we have so many. We do not like to leave wounded computer in the battle field... Every one gets home.... It may seem either emotional, or silly: But, lubuntu will support the oldest systems for as long as we can. A side affect of that is that it runs like sh1t on newer computers :)
[23:48] <phillw> *as in really FAST, no poorly*
[23:53] <phillw> btw, how has the launch of ubuntu-gnome gone with the ubuntu community? I try to stay out of 'politics', but there must still be a rump who do not like Unity.
[23:55] <jbicha> we have a fair amount of fans but I expect that number will go up a good amount once 13.04 is final
[23:55] <bp0> hello I'm using 13.04 with the gnome3 ppa that is supposed to include gnome 3.8. I was reading this article listing the "top 10" new features in gnome 3.8 and it includes a weather app. What is the package name for the weather app?
[23:56] <jbicha> I'm really looking forward to 13.10 which should include the new classic mode for GNOME Shell
[23:56] <bp0> the article: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/10-best-features-in-gnome-3-8
[23:56] <darkxst> bp0, I don't think the weather app has been packaged yet
[23:56] <roasted> I'm looking forward to 13.10 too
[23:56] <bp0> oh and speaking of classic mode, how does someone enable it?
[23:56] <roasted> was kind of bummed 3.8 wasn't fully included in 13.04 :(
[23:56] <jbicha> enabling the High Contrast theme in GNOME works much much better than it does in Unity so I imagine the new GNOME Classic will be a good choice for my older relatives
[23:57] <bp0> darkxst, ok
[23:58] <jbicha> gnome-weather is packaged in Debian svn, we could probably build it for the GNOME3 PPA
[23:59] <bp0> The clocks app is nice. i found it as gnome-clocks. But I miss the great sunshine map from gnome2 clock :)