[10:05] <smartboyhw> zequence, how many tests have you done?
[10:07] <smartboyhw> len-1304, any spare time to do some testing?
[10:10] <smartboyhw> bah I can't mark an ISO ready:(
[10:14] <smartboyhw> Damn the etherpad is too slow to load
[10:25] <Tm_T> hi
[10:25] <Tm_T> zequence, smartboyhw: you were in need of ops?
[10:30] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, well at least I want to be op. I am in constant need to change the topic of channel. zequence is the project lead and hedeserves op rights...
[10:42] <smartboyhw> zequence, give me a confirmation that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/Beta2/UbuntuStudio is OK.
[10:45] <smartboyhw> zequence, the amd64 has passed the Mandatory testcases. I am considering to just mark it ready. The post-installation thing will take some time.
[10:46] <smartboyhw> Especially when the person who tested the install didn't do the live and post-install
[11:07] <smartboyhw> Almost accidentally deleted the beta 1 announcement:P
[11:09] <Tm_T> smartboyhw: it was an almost accident that you deleted it? (;
[11:10] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, actually I accidentally deleted it and I undone the deletion
[11:10] <smartboyhw> It's back anyway
[11:10] <smartboyhw> And soon I will want somebody to change chan topics again:(
[11:11] <Tm_T> (:
[11:11] <Tm_T> I've been hoping zequence to nudge me so I would handle the rights
[11:12] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, I want zequence to tell me things too:P
[11:26] <smartboyhw> zequence, I passed the post-installation for amd64. I will be marking Ubuntu Studio amd64 installation ready.
[11:32] <smartboyhw> Dinner time
[12:20]  * smartboyhw wonders where is zequence today
[12:33] <smartboyhw> zequence, all tests for i386 are complete. I have marked the i386 image ready. In total the installation ones are all ready. However the upgrades are a bit of a problem.
[12:34] <smartboyhw> !testers-#ubuntustudio-devel is <reply> smartboyhw, len-1304, Len-nb, zequence please help to do some testing
[12:34] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, approve that:P
[12:39] <zequence> smartboyhw: Upgrading works, but is not perfect. I did two upgrades yesterday.
[12:39] <smartboyhw> zequence, yep. We need to do the ones upgrading from an image.
[12:40] <smartboyhw> zequence, which arch do you want to do?;P
[12:40] <smartboyhw> And is the release notes OK?
[12:40] <smartboyhw> s/is/are/
[12:40] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "And are the release notes OK?"
[12:41] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, here's zequence:)
[12:42] <zequence> smartboyhw: Are you going to do one of the upgrade tests? You choose the arch. I can do both, but I need to install Quantal first
[12:43] <smartboyhw> zequence, me too I need to install Quantal first
[12:43] <smartboyhw> amd64 for me then
[12:43] <smartboyhw> zequence, please help to do i386:)
[12:43] <zequence> smartboyhw: I think you should add that upgrading, while it will work, may introduce some issues to some people. So, upgrading is not the recommended way to install 13.04
[12:43] <smartboyhw> zequence, yep. Later then
[12:44] <zequence> smartboyhw: Ok. I'll do the i386 then
[12:45] <zequence> smartboyhw: Looking at how the testing has gone so far, I'm not sure the beta will be released on time
[12:45] <smartboyhw> zequence, thanks
[12:45] <smartboyhw> zequence, why?
[12:45] <zequence> smartboyhw: Cause not everyone is ready yet. And, that is not strange, because of the delay we had
[12:46] <zequence> But, it does seem like we can make it anyhow
[12:46] <smartboyhw> zequence, I do agree. Thank God we completed the image ones
[12:46] <Tm_T> zequence: I could hand the channel founder rights to you and op rights to smartboyhw, is that ok for you?
[12:46] <zequence> Tm_T: Sounds good
[12:47] <smartboyhw> +1
[12:47] <Tm_T> thanks, will do when I arrive home (:
[12:47] <zequence> Tm_T: Thanks
[12:47] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, thanks!
[12:49] <smartboyhw> zequence, updated the release notes.
[12:50] <zequence> smartboyhw: Looks good :)
[12:50] <smartboyhw> Now a shower while 12.10 install
[13:17] <smartboyhw> Back
[13:21] <smartboyhw> zequence, how's your upgrade testing going?
[13:29] <len-1304> smartboyhw, sorry, ran out of time last night. Got the live done and have been running the post install test, which is mostly ok too.
[13:30] <smartboyhw> len-1304, I did it already:) However it is good that you do a double-check:)
[13:30] <len-1304> I do need to do another install though. but it would have to wait a few hours at least
[13:30]  * len-1304 has to do his days work first
[13:32] <smartboyhw> len-1304, no worries:)
[13:35] <len-1304> Anyway, while I would never call things complete, 13.04 seems to finished so far as what we set out to do this cycle.
[13:35] <smartboyhw> len-1304, +1
[13:35] <smartboyhw> As zequence says, it's high time we plan for 13.10 (S-cycle)
[13:40] <len-1304> does it make sense for the settings manager to handle sysadmin as well as settings?
[13:40] <len-1304> zequence, ^^
[13:43] <len-1304> The way xubuntu has done their settings manager, some things that logically belong in System are now in the settings manager. In my opinion, if we are going to do that then all the system stuff should be there.
[13:44] <len-1304> or none of it.
[13:44] <smartboyhw> len-1304, I think we should stick to Xubuntu.
[13:45] <smartboyhw> Now is the time of reality of upgrades
[13:46] <len-1304> Menu settings will upgrade gracefully, they are not like panel settings :)
[13:47] <smartboyhw> zequence, my test is done and is OK I think. No GTK error here
[13:47] <smartboyhw> s/GTK/LightDM GTK Greeter/
[13:47] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "zequence, my test is done and is OK I think. No LightDM GTK Greeter error here"
[13:47] <len-1304> However, it does not make sense that software install is in settings as an example.
[13:49] <len-1304> If I was to move the few remaining System apps into the settings manager things would be more consistent and make more sense.
[13:52] <len-1304> The settings manager already has a System area in  it, and I think that if there was no System submenu, people would automatically choose the setting manager as the place to look for system kinds of things.
[13:53] <len-1304> In my daily use of xubuntu, I have found that I often look in the wrong place for a system tool, it might be in settings or it might be in settings.
[13:53] <smartboyhw> !?
[13:53] <smartboyhw> "it might be in settings or it might be in settings!?"
[13:54] <len-1304> sorry one of those should be system
[13:55] <zequence> I think probably user settings should be in settings, and system wide settings in system
[13:55] <len-1304> Ok, so not like xubuntu then
[13:55] <zequence> I'm also asking myself if Xubuntu works with XFCE on making any changes on the settings manager
[13:56] <len-1304> The settings manager is really just a menu. It has a menu file just like the main menu.
[13:56] <zequence> ok
[13:56] <zequence> Cause that is more like a mix of things
[13:56] <len-1304> The problem is that a lot of system apps include settings as a category.
[13:56] <zequence> ah
[13:57] <len-1304> and a lot of settings include system as a category.
[13:58] <smartboyhw> zequence, how's the testing?
[14:01] <zequence> smartboyhw: I'll do it when I have time. I don't use a virtual install, cause it doesn't affect hardware diffs
[14:01] <zequence> hardware related diffs
[14:07] <smartboyhw> zequence, I went through some old Ubuntu Studio IRC logs + Mailing list archives, and I can't seem to find when Scott actually became Project Lead...
[14:14] <zequence> smartboyhw: I've never asked him: I wasn't around at the time. ttoine or perhaps holstein would know
[14:14] <zequence> astraljava too perhaps?
[14:14] <smartboyhw> zequence, hmm
[14:14] <smartboyhw> Old history:P
[14:16] <smartboyhw> !testers
[14:16] <smartboyhw> Er Tm_T clearly didn't approve it for me:(
[14:16] <smartboyhw> This factoid will be useful in future
[14:16] <zequence> smartboyhw: Don't think he has come home yet
[14:16] <smartboyhw> zequence, one interesting thing: Edubuntu has their own council right? They have 5 council members but only 7 Edubuntu members (LOL)
[14:17] <smartboyhw> Very interesting
[14:18] <zequence> smartboyhw: I think it shows that we flavors need more people involved
[14:19] <smartboyhw> zequence, not like that in Kubuntu
[14:19] <smartboyhw> we got 55 Kubuntu members (including me)
[14:19] <zequence> yes, Kubuntu is doing well
[14:19] <smartboyhw> But the others, not
[14:19] <smartboyhw> I think it is thanks to Canonical's support in the early days + rep of KDE
[14:22] <ttoine> zequence, I think scott became the natural leader after Cory give up
[14:23] <smartboyhw> ttoine, just like zequence became the natural leader after scott give up? 
[14:23] <smartboyhw> That seems to be the way to born an Ubuntu Studio Project Lead 
[14:23] <smartboyhw> LOl
[14:23] <ttoine> smartboyhw, something like that, yes
[14:24] <smartboyhw> Kubuntu teaches me a lot of things
[14:24] <smartboyhw> e.g. How to package, how to do seed management, the importnace of copyright file, etc.
[14:25] <smartboyhw> ttoine, well if our team doesn't grow that will be the process in the future:P
[14:27] <smartboyhw> zequence, would it be wise to mark the upgrade testcases ready?
[14:29] <zequence> smartboyhw: I'd rather do them first. I'm just about to start working on that
[14:29] <smartboyhw> zequence, well OK then:)
[14:29] <zequence> It seems like we've had a bit of help with a couple of test cases
[14:30] <smartboyhw> zequence, just mark it after you finish it
[14:30] <zequence> nicks I don't recognize
[14:30] <smartboyhw> zequence, yes:)
[14:30] <smartboyhw> The install ones
[14:30] <smartboyhw> merejomusicf
[14:30] <smartboyhw> s/merejomusicf/merejomusic/
[14:30] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "merejomusic"
[14:30] <smartboyhw> He did post on Google+ that he thinks 13.04 is the best (he has been using it since 8.04)
[14:31] <zequence> Ah yes. It's him
[14:31] <zequence> He seems quite pleased with 13.04
[14:32] <smartboyhw> zequence, you should be happy about that:)
[14:33] <zequence> smartboyhw: Oh, I just remembered yet another important change with 13.04. Two bugs are fixed. Let me get them for you..
[14:33] <smartboyhw> zequence, bang
[14:33] <smartboyhw> Still time to update it though
[14:33] <smartboyhw> Which two?
[14:33] <zequence> bug #956438
[14:33] <ttoine> smartboyhw, I think too that in small Open Source projects, people contributes for some time, then do something else, etc... and often, the one with the most time to spend become the leader ;-)
[14:33] <smartboyhw> Ah that bug and?
[14:33] <smartboyhw> ttoine, +1
[14:33]  * smartboyhw clearly isn't one:P
[14:34] <zequence> This is soon fixed in both Quantal and Raring too, but is one very important one for audio folks
[14:34] <smartboyhw> zequence, s/Raring/Precise you mean?!
[14:35] <zequence> smartboyhw: Yes
[14:35] <zequence> bug #1163638
[14:36] <zequence> I'm preparing the SRU process for this bug. That report is a part of that
[14:36] <zequence> It is fixed in pulseaudio 3.0, which is shipped with raring
[14:36] <smartboyhw> zequence, good:)
[14:38] <zequence> With a little luck, both will be fixed in Precise and Quantal at around Raring release time, so in effect, all of them will work as well for audio more or less
[14:38] <zequence> still, worth mentioning in the release notes
[14:39] <zequence> jackd 1.9.9 fixes #956438, and pulseaudio 3.0 fixes 1163638
[14:39] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK
[14:45] <smartboyhw> zequence, we also got a new tester plimptm
[14:45] <smartboyhw> zequence, and it seems that he doesn't find your problem...
[15:37] <smartboyhw> zequence, how's the testing?
[15:37]  * smartboyhw suddenly notices that zequence is away:(
[15:40] <smartboyhw> zequence, I am switching to mobile. See ya
[15:45] <zequence-q> Another thing we really need to look at for next cycle is why we install both -generic and -lowlatency for i386
[15:45] <smartboyhw> Hello zequence-q:)
[15:45] <smartboyhw> zequence: I think maybe the -pae problem
[15:46] <zequence-q> I would guess that is it too
[15:47] <zequence-q> ah, upgrading won't upgrade the proprietary nvidia driver I think
[15:47] <zequence-q> I'm seeing it is being installed by default on 12.10
[15:47] <smartboyhw> OK
[15:47] <zequence-q> It's called nvidia-current, but such a package does not exist in 13.04
[15:48] <zequence-q> Someone already  mentioned this i think
[15:48] <smartboyhw> BTW I updated the release notes with the bugs
[15:48] <smartboyhw> And I got my announcement ready;)
[15:48] <zequence-q> smartboyhw, Great
[16:00] <smartboyhw> zequence: So how's the upgrade?
[16:07] <Tm_T> no I'm not slow
[16:08] <smartboyhw> Tm_T LOL
[16:14] <smartboyhw> zequence-r: How's it?
[16:14] <zequence-r> smartboyhw, Just about to upgrade to raring
[16:15] <smartboyhw> Good:)
[16:15] <Tm_Tsudapium> hola
[16:15] <zequence-r> Tm_Tsudapium,  Terve
[16:15] <Tm_Tsudapium> zequence and smartboyhw, all should be set (:
[16:16] <zequence-r> ok. thanks!
[16:17] <smartboyhw> It works
[16:19] <zequence-r> Maybe only raring gets this problem. From /var/log/syslog .. "No volume groups found"
[16:19] <zequence-r> It's not finding my partitions
[16:19] <zequence-r> Has happened before, but it doesnt happen every time
[16:20] <zequence-r> I will reboot and try again
[16:28] <zequence> I'm unable to do the upgrade on this machine, so I will need to repeat the procedure on another :(
[16:28] <smartboyhw> zequence: Damn why?
[16:29] <zequence> the partition manager isn't able to scan my disk
[16:29] <smartboyhw> DAMN
[16:29] <smartboyhw> LOl
[16:30] <zequence> May be a raring only bug, which might has something to do with having many logical volumes
[16:30] <zequence> I have something like 8 different OSs installed here, out of which 6 are for Ubuntu Studio testing
[16:30] <smartboyhw> What the...
[16:31] <smartboyhw> zequence: Two for kernels at least?
[16:31] <zequence> Could be the same bug that em guy had who was here and on #ubuntu-installer yesterday
[16:31] <zequence> smartboyhw: Both archs, 3 releases
[16:31] <zequence> = 6
[16:31] <smartboyhw> zequence: wow
[16:32] <smartboyhw> zequence: Find the backlog of yesterdays #ubuntu-installer channel at irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/04/03
[16:32] <zequence> smartboyhw: I have it in my own irssi log, but thanks :)
[16:33] <smartboyhw> :)
[17:39] <smartboyhw> zequence: How's the upgrade test?
[17:40] <zequence> smartboyhw: Soon finished
[17:40] <smartboyhw> Yat
[17:40] <smartboyhw> s/Yat/Yay/
[17:40] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "Yay"
[17:41] <zequence> Yat works surprisingly well too :D
[17:41] <smartboyhw> Yat!
[17:41] <smartboyhw> LOL
[17:46] <zequence> len-1304: I'm thinking more about links to IRC, forums and stuff like that. If we want more participants, it may be smart to make those links really visible. The first step is really that people come in contact with us. We should add a couple of links to the desktop at least
[17:47] <zequence> I'll want to make more work on the website too, to make it easier for users to get in touch with us, and realize they could help, if they want, etc
[17:47] <zequence> The installer is already great, when it comes to this
[17:47] <zequence> Maybe a bit of text editing would be in order though. But, that's just details
[17:48] <zequence> btw, probably not that many here are on the forums that often. I know I'm not (I was only for a short period)
[17:48] <zequence> It has a lot of activity
[17:49] <zequence> I think by far more than any other of our communication channels
[17:49] <smartboyhw> I am, but not that active now
[17:49] <zequence> I'm going to pay more attention to the forums from now on. That is really where we get to interact with most users, apart from our website and social sites
[17:50] <zequence> mail list and IRC are important too, but they have much less traffic
[18:00] <smartboyhw> zequence: Did you report your upgrade result to the ISO QA Tracker7
[18:04] <zequence> smartboyhw: I'm doing it now. I'll let you know when I'm done
[18:05] <zequence> len-1304: Actually, I had another look at the menu, and realized, system is probably used for applications that are somehow related to the system - not making settings for it, while settings is all about adjusting settings, not matter if global or not
[18:06] <zequence> But, it still doesn't look perfectly organized
[18:08] <zequence> smartboyhw: I'm going to mark it failed, since the lightdm-gtk-greeter theme is not correctly updated
[18:08] <zequence> smartboyhw: But, it's ok to release anyway
[18:08] <zequence> I'm just going to make a bug report about this
[18:16] <zequence> Well, it's the same bug as before really
[18:16] <zequence> Just one less error this time
[18:17] <zequence> I've marked them ready
[18:18] <zequence> smartboyhw: ^
[18:27] <smartboyhw> zequence: OK
[18:53] <zequence> hmm, seems the greeter bug is actually not because of the upgrade at all (well, not the theming anyway)
[18:54] <zequence> It looks bad on the live ISO even, when you log out
[21:59] <Len-nb> zequence, That makes sense. But take a look at what xubuntu has in settings. There are a few things in setting that don't belong. Like install this to your hard drive should really be in system not settings.
[22:27] <zequence> nice..
[22:28] <zequence> I deleted all my blog posts by mistake
[22:28] <zequence> 3 of them
[22:28] <zequence> :(
[22:29] <zequence> Seeing words like "do you want to delete all.." should make alarm bells go off, but apparently not for me
[23:46] <zequence> Ah, they were only trashed. Got them un-deleted