[00:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: phonon can now send sound to my headphones, yay :)
[00:12] <Riddell> not by default but.. baby steps
[00:53] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.10.2
[00:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell: \o/
[02:11] <smartboyhw> Riddell, pong:)
[02:12] <Riddell> smartboyhw: publish this when it's out https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/13.04-beta-2
[02:12] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK
[02:12] <Riddell> thanks
[02:14] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I can't login
[02:16] <smartboyhw> DAMN
[02:16] <smartboyhw> Ah got it
[03:56]  * smartboyhw taps
[03:56] <smartboyhw> Any packaging todo?
[03:58] <smartboyhw> Anyone 'ere doing tomahawk?
[04:03] <smartboyhw> Just to remind people
[06:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: what do you mean by 'not by default'?
[06:26] <apachelogger> ?
[06:30]  * smartboyhw thinks Kubuntu 13.04 Beta 2 will be released when Riddell wakes up...
[06:46] <apachelogger> vHanda: ping
[06:52] <apachelogger> hm
[06:52] <apachelogger> agateau: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/04/05/plasma-desktoprz2318.png those really wide lines
[07:13] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: bug 1164854
[07:14] <smartboyhw> Oh the ScottK + Riddell dance again:)
[07:38] <smartboyhw> If Riddell has woken up by now (Probably not) he would have been surprised that it is still not released:P
[07:39] <apachelogger> releasing is a sign of weakness
[07:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: afk session locking is not working for me on a new raring install
[07:40] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, can you explain why?:P
[07:40] <apachelogger> no
[07:40] <smartboyhw> ...
[07:40] <apachelogger> well yes
[07:40] <apachelogger> people rewrite software and break it
[07:40] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, no. (At least not for this release)
[07:41] <apachelogger> yes they did
[07:41] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, who did?
[07:41] <apachelogger> the new lock screen tech is new
[07:41] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, oh
[07:43] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:43] <shadeslayer> bah, stupid news app in owncloud, doesn't even work
[07:44] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, report bug?
[07:44] <apachelogger> good news, it appears the debian-cd artwork changes are on a different computer that I do not have access to for like a week
[07:44] <apachelogger> -.-
[07:44] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, oh no
[07:45] <smartboyhw> lordievader, hey.
[07:47] <lordievader> Hey smartboyhw, how are you?
[07:47] <smartboyhw> lordievader, not good since Beta 2 is not released
[07:47]  * smartboyhw points at the topic
[07:49] <apachelogger> it would appear that https://trello.com/c/mu108rtt is out of date
[07:49] <lordievader> Because the active and arm images failed?
[07:49] <smartboyhw> lordievader, nah nah nah
[07:49] <smartboyhw> It isn't OFFICIALLY releaed
[07:49] <smartboyhw> s/releaed/released/
[07:49] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "It isn't OFFICIALLY released"
[07:49] <smartboyhw> Since the Ubuntu Release Team have to wait for the Canonical IS to update ONE single link (probably two-three though)
[07:50] <shadeslayer> heh
[07:50] <smartboyhw> Did Riddell do -l10n?
[07:52] <smartboyhw> He did
[07:52]  * smartboyhw marks off full tick for Raring
[07:55] <smartboyhw> Um did we add kscreen or kde-workspace-randr as recommends to quantal + precise?
[07:57] <apachelogger> possibly not
[07:57] <apachelogger> seeing as I have a bug report ranting about how krandrtray disappeared
[07:58] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, I would rather let the kscreen + randr into a seperate card
[07:58] <shadeslayer> Mirv: re QtCreator pulling in Qt5, I really think that's bad, what if someone has limited disk space
[07:58] <shadeslayer> for eg. s/he is using a SSD and only wants Qt4 + QtCreator for now
[07:58] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: then you need a checkbox for [ ] resolved krandr/kscreen situation
[07:58] <apachelogger> there is nothing to be gained :P
[07:59] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, uh:P
[07:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: they should use vim.
[07:59] <shadeslayer> ...
[07:59] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: the issue remains the same, the task remains the same, the implications on .2 packaging remain the same
[08:00] <apachelogger> all that's changing from putting it on another card is having another card... :S
[08:00] <smartboyhw> ;S
[08:03] <agateau> apachelogger: not sure what you mean with "http://wstaw.org/m/2013/04/05/plasma-desktoprz2318.png those really wide lines"
[08:06] <apachelogger> agateau: if you have a big screen the text will be insanely hard to read as you basically end up having 300 words going from one side to the other
[08:06] <apachelogger> (i.e. the exact argument people bring up when saying fixed width is better :P)
[08:07] <agateau> apachelogger: ah right
[08:07] <agateau> apachelogger: we are past ui freeze unfortunately
[08:07] <apachelogger> yeah, just wanted to raise my concern
[08:08] <apachelogger> (IMO the people who install systems rarely read stuff properly anyway ;))
[08:08] <shadeslayer> heh
[08:08] <agateau> :)
[08:08] <shadeslayer> Next Next Next Next
[08:08] <agateau> apachelogger: but let's add it to the 13.10 Trello board
[08:09] <agateau> I already have a pending patch to redo the install|live buttons anyway
[08:09]  * apachelogger offers http://wstaw.org/m/2013/04/05/plasma-desktopNH2318.png to rdieter again :P
[08:10] <apachelogger> agateau: about retargeted to raring+1 btw
[08:10] <apachelogger> I do like your UI
[08:10] <apachelogger> so IMO it's a matter of getting it into kde playground and releasing
[08:10] <agateau> apachelogger: great
[08:18] <apachelogger> :/
[08:18] <apachelogger> I deactivate all plugisn of activitymanagerd and it still insists on using 3MiB
[08:18] <apachelogger> ...
[08:27] <exalt> hey, i tried to install 13.04 beta2 without swap.. it fails on 27% of system configuration
[08:28] <exalt> i'm creating a live disk myself, hence the swapless install
[08:28] <smartboyhw> exalt, whoa you already downloaded it? Look at the channel topic:)
[08:28] <smartboyhw> I should add that word...
[08:29] <smartboyhw> exalt, how does it fail?
[08:29] <exalt> smartboyhw: the progress bar gets stuck on 27 % takes a while then freezes with everything black
[08:29] <smartboyhw> exalt, Hmm....
[08:30] <smartboyhw> !swap
[08:30] <smartboyhw> I don't think you need swap
[08:30] <smartboyhw> But when the Kubuntu Testers test it clearly there is no such thing.
[08:30] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/04/05/plasma-desktopmY2318.png
[08:31] <apachelogger> so little fat
[08:31] <exalt> yet the installation works with swap and not without
[08:31] <apachelogger> incredible
[08:31] <smartboyhw> exalt, then make it with swap will be good
[08:32] <exalt> smartboyhw: I KNOW THAT !! just wanted you guys to know it ....
[08:32] <smartboyhw> LOL
[08:32] <smartboyhw> OK
[08:32] <apachelogger> the way to make people know stuff is to report bugs ;)
[08:33] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, +1
[08:33] <apachelogger> curious observation
[08:34] <apachelogger> everytime I log out, pluseaudio remains running
[08:34] <apachelogger> as in... when I log in again I have previousCount+1
[08:35] <Mirv> shadeslayer: I'm poking at it (qtcreator-qt4), I'll push it somewhere if I get something again that builds
[08:36] <shadeslayer> Mirv: ah, thanks!
[09:17] <smartboyhw> Hmm the email is in strangely...
[09:22] <Riddell> smartboyhw: no beta 2 yet?
[09:23] <smartboyhw> Riddell, seeming the announcement got out just now but Daviey was asking who did it...
[09:23] <smartboyhw> I'm not sure
[09:24] <smartboyhw> And I am not gonna do anything until infinity tells us
[09:25] <smartboyhw> This might be a false call....
[09:25] <smartboyhw> But if it is it would be a disaster since the e-mail is already sent
[09:31] <smartboyhw> Riddell, basically here I got the Ubuntu Studio release announcement draft , the Ubuntu Studio website admin page on , and the Kubuntu website admin page on. :P
[09:42] <smartboyhw> No confirmation hmm
[10:01] <yofel> Riddell: bug 1164848
[10:01] <yofel> I just remembered that you commented something out in startkde?
[10:05] <yofel> shadeslayer: http://kyofel2.dyndns.org/upgrade/ - I'm not sure what happened to the kubuntu test, but kubuntu-backports failed with http://paste.kde.org/716624 huh?
[10:05] <yofel> oh, and good morning everyone ;)
[10:06] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[10:08] <shadeslayer> kde telepathy uploaded
[10:13] <Riddell> yofel: hmm yes
[10:15] <shadeslayer> eh
[10:16] <shadeslayer> ktp-desktop-applets rejected
[10:16] <shadeslayer> wtf, we're still in freeze?
[10:17] <Riddell> frozen until release
[10:17] <shadeslayer> oh
[10:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: care to approve ktp 0.6?
[10:18] <shadeslayer> and also upload https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly/+files/ktp-desktop-applets_0.6.0-0ubuntu1.dsc
[10:19] <shadeslayer> ( needs minor tweaking to debian/control to make sure it depends on libktpcommoninternalprivate5 >= 0.6.0 )
[10:24] <vHanda> apachelogger: pong
[10:34] <apachelogger> vHanda: nepomuk doesn't use strigi anymore, does it?
[10:36] <smartboyhw> Bah still not yet able to send announcements
[10:40] <yofel> people already happily download our beta2 images though ^^ (juding from the torrents)
[10:40] <yofel> *judging
[10:40] <smartboyhw> yofel, yep
[10:40] <smartboyhw> No go 
[10:41] <smartboyhw> Daviey said no;(
[10:42] <Tm_T> smartboyhw: give him a hug
[10:42] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, LOL (I am not gay sorry)
[10:42] <Tm_T> smartboyhw: huh?
[10:42] <smartboyhw> And aren't hugs the dholbach tradition?
[10:42] <smartboyhw> It can't be used by others:P
[10:42] <smartboyhw> We can only hug dholbach...
[10:43] <Tm_T> smartboyhw: I meant keeping the pants on while hugging, what on earth...
[10:43]  * Tm_T shakes their head
[10:43] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, what on earth!?
[10:43]  * smartboyhw thinks Tm_T is talking about something non-good....
[10:56] <apachelogger> Tm_T: it's ancient tradition to take of one's pants while hugging
[10:59] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I think I should fix the nootka powerpc build by removing the dependency.
[10:59] <Tm_T> smartboyhw: there's nothing gay in hugging
[11:00] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, ...
[11:02] <Tm_T> unless you take your pants off, perhaps
[11:02] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, this is the problem...
[11:02]  * Tm_T huggles smartboyhw
[11:02]  * smartboyhw escapes from Tm_T 
[11:04] <smartboyhw> Dang the build takes quite long
[11:04] <smartboyhw> s/build/upload/
[11:04] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "Dang the upload takes quite long"
[11:05] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yeah that would be great
[11:05]  * smartboyhw waits for his PPA
[11:06] <smartboyhw> Riddell, dget -x https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa/+files/nootka_0.8.60%7Ebeta-0ubuntu5.dsc and review:) (I only removed the dependency that's all)
[11:28] <jussi> curious. in 13.04, my message indicator cannot be clicked...
[11:29] <smartboyhw> jussi, report bug?:P
[11:29] <jussi> smartboyhw: dont be a smarty pants...
[11:29] <jussi> Im looking for a confirmation from someone first, or any other thoughts
[11:42] <debfx> if anything he is smarty pantless
[11:42] <shadeslayer> jussi: oh, so you have that too
[11:42] <shadeslayer> I experienced that once yesterday
[11:43] <jussi> shadeslayer: yeah, frustrating
[11:43] <shadeslayer> can you highlight me in 5 seconds?
[11:44] <jussi> shadeslayer: what?
[11:44] <shadeslayer> hm weird
[11:44] <jussi> shadeslayer: slightly more than 5, sorry 
[11:44] <jussi> :P
[11:44] <shadeslayer> MI doesn't have anything
[11:45] <jussi> try me now
[11:45] <smartboyhw> .........
[11:45] <shadeslayer> jussi: asdasd
[11:45] <jussi> shadeslayer: frustrating
[11:45] <shadeslayer> probably because I have colibri
[11:45] <jussi> reproduceable though
[11:45] <jussi> I dont...
[11:45]  * shadeslayer waves fist at cgroups
[11:45] <jussi> this is about asa close to stock as any normal person would be
[11:46] <shadeslayer> highlight me again plz
[11:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer!
[11:49] <shadeslayer> yep reproducable here as well
[12:01] <jussi> shadeslayer: how do we troubleshoot? 
[12:02] <shadeslayer> no idea
[12:02] <shadeslayer> agateau: ^^
[12:02] <Riddell> jussi: message indicator probably needs to be removed anyway
[12:03] <jussi> Riddell: why?
[12:03] <shadeslayer> yofel: holy crap, you were right, my seeds have so far uploaded 4 GB's so far
[12:03] <shadeslayer> and it's only been 20 minutes
[12:03] <shadeslayer> and that's just for amd64
[12:05] <agateau> shadeslayer: that thing needs a new maintainer, or a removal
[12:05] <shadeslayer> mm remove it
[12:07] <Riddell> jussi: canonical changed how it works and hasn't updated the qt side
[12:07] <jussi> Riddell: oh. I assume they will update it very soon... given their use of Qt? 
[12:08] <jussi> (perhaps I should zap someone at canonical about this? )
[12:08] <debfx> they don't have an interest in the plasma widget though
[12:15] <Riddell> smartboyhw: this is pretty galling, we can't announce beta 2 because canonical's web team hasn't got their act together
[12:17] <shadeslayer> complaint in #is ? :P
[12:17] <jussi> Riddell: have you followed up on irc? 
[12:17] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yep
[12:17] <smartboyhw> DamnLO
[12:17] <jussi> if not, give me the issue number and Ill go bother them
[12:17] <smartboyhw> :P
[12:17] <smartboyhw> jussi, maybe no issue number
[12:18] <smartboyhw> It's officially 5th April now (even by the latest timezone) and we still can't get it released
[12:18] <jussi> smartboyhw: if you dont have an issue number, it aint geting done...
[12:18] <smartboyhw> First time it has such a proble
[12:18] <smartboyhw> s/proble/problem/
[12:18] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "First time it has such a problem"
[12:18] <smartboyhw> jussi, I think the Ubuntu Release Team is following up
[12:19] <smartboyhw> Let me try to see if there HAS been one though
[12:20] <smartboyhw> jussi, no
[12:21] <smartboyhw> I should not have stayed up yesterday:(
[12:24] <smartboyhw> Riddell, BTW have you uploaded nootka?
[12:24] <BluesKaj> "Morning all
[12:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, for next CC meeting (18-4-2013) I think I need to propose to the CC for them to get Canonical IS to work faster
[12:25] <smartboyhw> It has been quite a problem to the flavours
[12:25] <smartboyhw> Not only speaking about this
[12:25] <smartboyhw> But on other matters too.
[12:25] <lordievader> Beta 2 still isn't offcially released?
[12:26] <smartboyhw> lordievader, NO
[12:26] <smartboyhw> If it is I would have changed the topic and publish the announcement on kubuntu.org
[12:26] <Mamarok> so how would oen upgrade to 4.10.2? Nothing is showing up in my raring
[12:26] <Mamarok> one*
[12:27] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: hasn't been uploaded yet
[12:27] <lordievader> Hmm, I see. :( Email wasn't valid then, I take?
[12:27] <Mamarok> well, then remove that announcement
[12:27] <shadeslayer> it's in ninjas
[12:27] <shadeslayer> oh
[12:27] <shadeslayer> wait
[12:27] <lordievader> shadeslayer: Ah that explains why I can't update.
[12:27]  * shadeslayer looks it up
[12:27] <smartboyhw> lordievader, for testing purposes next time you should enable the Ninjas PPA to do some testing for us:)
[12:28]  * smartboyhw decides to prepare two VMs for KDE SC testing
[12:28] <smartboyhw> 12:28 UTC 5/4 and no OFFICIAL release:( 
[12:28] <Mamarok> smartboyhw: well, publishing package release that are not finished is a very bad idea, we have people with problems in #kubuntu
[12:28]  * smartboyhw emits blood
[12:28] <smartboyhw> Mamarok, I dunno
[12:28] <smartboyhw> I didn't publish
[12:29] <shadeslayer> hooray, ktp approved
[12:29] <smartboyhw> Mamarok, lemme join #kubuntu
[12:29] <Mamarok> well, somebody did, and now we have to help folks that screwed their desktop
[12:29] <BluesKaj> kde 4.10.2 is running fine here so far 
[12:29] <Mamarok> brilliant ...not :(
[12:29] <lordievader> smartboyhw: Allright. Hmm looking in my sources I see it is not enabled. *wonders why it ain't enabled...
[12:29] <smartboyhw> lordievader, :)
[12:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: could you also upload ktp-desktop-applets?
[12:31] <shadeslayer> not sure why that's missing from the regex
[12:32] <Mamarok> so who is responsible for the website? That announcement is still up
[12:32] <lordievader> Enabling the ninja PPA allow me to update to 4.10.2, thanks smartboyhw, shadeslayer :)
[12:32] <smartboyhw> lordievader, :)
[12:32] <Mamarok> please remove that and appologize to the users
[12:33] <smartboyhw> Mamarok, I think the copyer need to....
[12:33] <lordievader> Mamarok: The mention of 4.10.2 being available to Raring, you mean?
[12:33] <smartboyhw> lordievader, no
[12:33] <smartboyhw> Backports
[12:33] <smartboyhw> 12.10
[12:33] <Mamarok> lordievader: not only raring
[12:34] <shadeslayer> the question is, who copied the packages and released the announcement :P
[12:34] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, Riddell
[12:34] <smartboyhw> for sure
[12:34] <Mamarok> it simply is not up yet, so who ever had the brilliant indea to publish that should rever that immediately
[12:34] <Mamarok> idea*
[12:34] <smartboyhw> dragon | 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.10~ppa1 Jonathan Riddell (13 hours ago)
[12:34] <smartboyhw> Uh hum
[12:34] <Mamarok> 12 hours ago!
[12:34] <Mamarok> 13 even
[12:34] <Mamarok> Riddell: ^^
[12:34] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: doesn't mean he copied it
[12:34] <shadeslayer> copying is different from uploading
[12:34] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, you mean to backports PPA or?
[12:35] <shadeslayer> yeah to the backports PPA
[12:35] <Mamarok> folks, what needs to go is that announcement
[12:35] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, well the packages are there
[12:35] <Mamarok> who published that
[12:35] <smartboyhw> The announcement is here
[12:35] <smartboyhw> Mamarok, I think Riddell....
[12:35] <smartboyhw> Look at https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports
[12:36] <Mamarok> smartboyhw: well, apparently it is not completely there yet, how else can people end up with having no desktop anymore
[12:36] <smartboyhw> And guys: All copying failed for 12.04.2
[12:36] <shadeslayer> -.-
[12:36] <smartboyhw> Copied by yofel (for Precise) says: Cannot copy restricted files to a public archive without explicit action
[12:37] <smartboyhw> And I'm confirming that uploader = Riddell for quantal
[12:37] <Mamarok> that is not really what matter, what matters is that somebody who has editing rights to the website removes that announcement, and fast
[12:37] <smartboyhw> Mamarok, I have:)
[12:37] <Mamarok> else we will end up with even bigger problems
[12:37] <smartboyhw> Riddell gave me
[12:37] <shadeslayer> true ^^
[12:38] <smartboyhw> So everyone: remove?
[12:38] <shadeslayer> yeah go ahead
[12:38] <shadeslayer> stuff seems to have failed to copy properly
[12:38] <smartboyhw> DONE
[12:38] <Mamarok> yes, of course, why do you even ask
[12:38] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, Mamarok check check
[12:38] <Mamarok> OK, gone
[12:38] <smartboyhw> Mamarok, thanks
[12:38] <Mamarok> you did set it to draft, right?
[12:38] <smartboyhw> Now: Investigation time
[12:39] <Mamarok> else it has to be re-written
[12:39] <smartboyhw> Mamarok, I set it to unpublished (draft yes)
[12:39] <Mamarok> good :)
[12:40] <lordievader> Luckily the topic of #kubuntu wasn't updated yet.
[12:40] <smartboyhw> Ah I know the reason
[12:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell just uploaded a new version ~ppa2 of kde-workspace to the PPA
[12:40] <smartboyhw> 25 minutes ago
[12:40] <smartboyhw> That's the breaking point I think.
[12:40] <smartboyhw> And he's fixing it (supposingly)
[12:41] <smartboyhw> But that shouldn't break systems
[12:41] <smartboyhw> Since he is just replacing randr with krandr
[12:41] <smartboyhw> Or maybe the old package disappeared and the new one can't come up
[12:42] <smartboyhw> Am I talking to thin air?
[12:45] <lordievader> The update to 4.10.2 from the ninjas ppa worked fine for this install of Raring. :D
[12:46] <smartboyhw> lordievader, We are talking about Quantal here I think
[12:46] <lordievader> I know, but it wasn't available in Raring at all.
[12:47] <smartboyhw> lordievader, of course... We are in freeze and the Beta isn't released which stops everything
[12:48] <lordievader> Ah, haven't said a thing. Sorry.
[12:48] <smartboyhw> lordievader, no worries
[12:49] <smartboyhw> Mamarok, has the user been using 12.04, 12.10 or 13.04?
[12:49] <smartboyhw> I think we need to get that info
[12:51] <lordievader> Hmm backlog doesn't show what version he used.
[12:51] <smartboyhw> lordievader, grrr
[12:52] <lordievader> And to top things off, he seems to be idleing.. :(
[12:52] <smartboyhw> lordievader, yep
[12:53] <vHanda> apachelogger: nope. It does not
[12:53] <vHanda> sorry I didn't see your message
[12:53]  * smartboyhw bangs his keyboard
[12:53] <smartboyhw> That topic has been staying here for hours:(
[12:54] <smartboyhw> I do think it doesn't matter now though
[12:54] <smartboyhw> WebUpd8 just made it official
[12:54] <smartboyhw> Even our Community QA guys in Vanilla thinks it official
[12:55] <smartboyhw> The problem is: If FlameReaper is using 12.04 it will make sense
[12:56] <smartboyhw> 12.10: Not
[12:57] <snele> smartboyhw: I am using 12.04 and i have no updates to 4.10.2
[12:57] <smartboyhw> snele, makes sense
[12:57] <snele> i have been checking for updates all day :)
[12:57] <smartboyhw> Since the copying failed
[12:57] <smartboyhw> :P
[12:57] <smartboyhw> 12.10 should have been copied nicely
[12:59]  * smartboyhw suddenly remembered that yofel won't be here for the week (or I am wrong dunno)
[12:59] <lordievader> I'll check in a second if my Quantal install has the update.
[12:59] <smartboyhw> lordievader, thanks!
[12:59] <smartboyhw> And tell us whether it failed.
[12:59] <smartboyhw> If it does um..
[13:00] <Mamarok> smartboyhw: he was upgrading, and there were no upgrades available for 13.04, so you can safely assume he is on 12.10
[13:00] <smartboyhw> Mamarok, OK:)
[13:01] <smartboyhw> I think it is the problem that Riddell uploaded kde-workspace while he is upgrading.
[13:01] <smartboyhw> Dunno
[13:01] <smartboyhw> The problem is that the kde-workspace build will need to wait for 9 HOURS...
[13:01] <smartboyhw> better than 9 days but
[13:02] <smartboyhw> Hmm Riddell DID upload nootka;P
[13:02]  * smartboyhw checks the build
[13:03] <smartboyhw> \o/ all builds success
[13:04] <smartboyhw> We probably can include nootka in the seeds (presuming that we need a FFe + a possible UIFe)..
[13:06] <lordievader> Either my mirror is outdated or there is no update for Quantal
[13:07] <smartboyhw> lordievader, you have to do apt-get update...
[13:07] <smartboyhw> I think you did though
[13:07] <smartboyhw> lordievader, weird
[13:07] <lordievader> smartboyhw: Pre-released doesn't have to be enabled for this right?
[13:07] <smartboyhw> lordievader, pre-released what?
[13:07] <smartboyhw> lordievader, you just have to enable the PPA
[13:07] <smartboyhw> That's it!
[13:08] <lordievader> Oh wait, seems my auto-updater is faster than I am. 4.10.2 is installed. Let's see if rebooting still works.
[13:08] <smartboyhw> lordievader, \o/
[13:10] <lordievader> To me it works just fine. I can login without any problems.
[13:11] <smartboyhw> lordievader, hrm
[13:11] <smartboyhw> lordievader, thanks for your report though:)
[13:12] <lordievader> smartboyhw: No problem :) least I could do.
[13:12] <smartboyhw> \o/
[13:13] <lordievader> \o/
[13:21] <smartboyhw> Damn the kde-workspace in the Backports PPA failed
[13:21] <smartboyhw> The libboost...
[13:21] <smartboyhw> The dependency is crapped
[13:22] <smartboyhw> Hmm, probably I shall do a backport of libboost1.48 then
[13:24] <smartboyhw> Gee I need to backport clearly
[13:25] <smartboyhw> As it turns out: I need to upgrade the package to quantal version:P
[13:26] <smartboyhw> ah no that is Precise:P
[13:26] <smartboyhw> Strange, that got copied!
[13:26]  * smartboyhw should stop spamming the channel
[13:32] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: don't update boost
[13:32] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, mmm?
[13:32] <smartboyhw> I haven't done anything yet:P
 Hmm, probably I shall do a backport of libboost1.48 then
[13:33] <shadeslayer> don't
[13:33] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, OK
[13:37] <yofel> smartboyhw, Mamarok: I'm here, but not really doing anything
[13:37] <yofel> and I certainly did not copy 4.10.2
[13:37] <yofel> those errors are old ones
[13:37] <smartboyhw> yofel, oh
[13:38] <yofel> I'm just too lazy to remove 200 errors in batches of 5
[13:38] <smartboyhw> yofel, :O
[13:38] <yofel> (those errors are my fault, but they're old)
[13:38] <smartboyhw> yofel, OK
[13:38] <smartboyhw> I saw Riddell copied it
[13:38] <smartboyhw> So Mamarok shadeslayer would it be wise now to republish the links?
[13:38] <smartboyhw> I mean the announcement...
[13:40] <yofel> smartboyhw: boost 1.48 is in precise
[13:40]  * yofel goes looking at the actual failure
[13:40] <yofel> hm
[13:40] <yofel> Showing 5 of 235
[13:40] <yofel> I thought that was less than 200...
[13:40] <smartboyhw> yofel, :P
[13:40] <smartboyhw> yofel, want me to help?
[13:41] <smartboyhw> Hmm it doesn't go off:P
[13:42] <yofel> meh, I'll clean up the errors after all
[13:42] <yofel> this new package copy interface sucks :S
[13:42] <yofel> nah, it's remove 5, reload, repeat....
[13:42] <yofel> smartboyhw: actually, could you? My wifi connection is really crappy today and dies every few minutes :S
[13:42] <yofel> remove all errors related to 4.10.1
[13:42] <smartboyhw> yofel, OK:S
[13:42] <yofel> then we should get the new ones
[13:43] <smartboyhw> yofel, actually I found the new ones already
[13:43] <smartboyhw> I am waiting shadeslayer or Mamarok to tell me to get back the 4.10.2 announcement on.
[13:43] <yofel> eeeeek
[13:43]  * Riddell back
[13:44] <Riddell> what did I miss?
[13:44] <yofel> Riddell uploaded to backports with low urgency :(
[13:44] <smartboyhw> Riddell, erm some bit of 12.10 problems:P
[13:44] <smartboyhw> Riddell, they (Mamarok + shadeslayer ) told me to took off the 4.10.2 announcement for now
[13:45] <smartboyhw> and Beta 2 is OFFICIALLY released:)
[13:45] <smartboyhw> I published that
[13:45] <smartboyhw> Riddell, would it be possible to include nootka in the seeds?
[13:45] <yofel> I need to make a wiki with DO's and DON'T's for our PPA's
[13:45] <smartboyhw> yofel, +1
[13:46] <yofel> smartboyhw: what for? (nootka)
[13:46] <smartboyhw> yofel, audio?....
[13:46] <smartboyhw> music apps (do we include these)?
[13:46] <yofel> smartboyhw: what does it do that amarok doesn't?
[13:46] <smartboyhw> Maybe I should take it to Studio....
[13:46] <yofel> unless you mean the supported seed
[13:46] <smartboyhw> yofel, what's the supported seed?
[13:47]  * smartboyhw doesn't know about ALL the seeds
[13:47] <yofel> a list with packages that are supported, for upload permissions
[13:47] <smartboyhw> yofel, maybe good:)
[13:47] <yofel> ah ok, kde-workspace failed in precise
[13:47] <yofel> so that's not an issue
[13:48] <smartboyhw> yofel, yep
[13:48] <yofel> quantal is building, so that should be fixed soonish
[13:48] <smartboyhw> Wait a minute, I did saw a copy fail for 4.10.2
[13:49] <smartboyhw> damn I removed it....
[13:49] <smartboyhw> Riddell, clearly some applications for 4.10.2 didn't make it to the Backports PPA
[13:49] <smartboyhw> I think that error is OK though
[13:49] <smartboyhw> It just means that the binaries are already there and you shouldn't copy
[13:50] <yofel> precise was not copied
[13:50] <yofel> from what I see
[13:50] <smartboyhw> yofel, Precise isn't copy......
[13:51] <Riddell> smartboyhw: why do you want nookta in the seeds?
[13:51] <yofel> :S
[13:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell, to let people have some touch with music?
[13:51] <yofel> quantal is only partly copied
[13:51] <yofel> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages?field.series_filter=quantal&batch=200
[13:52] <smartboyhw> I shouldn't have proposed it here though, Ubuntu Studio will be better
[13:52] <yofel> let me copy this again
[13:52] <smartboyhw> Yep:(
[13:52] <yofel> synchronised this time. Those async copies are just error prone
[13:53] <smartboyhw> yofel, \o/
[14:01] <yofel> done
[14:01] <smartboyhw> \o/
[14:13] <yofel> kdegraphics-thumbnailers - 4:4.10.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.10~ppa1 
[14:13] <yofel> o.O
[14:13] <smartboyhw> yofel, o.O
[14:14] <yofel> was never backported
[14:14] <yofel> I guess launchpad error'd when the script was running
[14:15] <yofel> precise has missing stuff too
[14:15] <yofel> so that needs fixing before it gets published
[14:22] <yofel> I'm gone for a while
[14:22] <yofel> it would be good if some ninja could backport the missing packages for quantal and precise. You'll see what's missing by looking for 4.10.1:
[14:22] <yofel> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.series_filter=raring&batch=150
[14:22] <yofel> er, not raring -.-
[14:23] <yofel> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.series_filter=quantal&batch=250
[14:23] <yofel> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.series_filter=precise&batch=250
[14:23] <yofel> I'll look at publishing precise after that's fixed later
[15:37] <smartboyhw_> yofel, Riddell shadeslayer do you want the 4.10.2 announcement back?
[15:40] <smartboyhw_> Anyway gotcha sleep, just find Riddell if you want the announcement back...
[16:26] <Riddell> launchpad keeps breaking on pull-ppa-source :(
[16:26] <Riddell> might have to do the 4.10.2 stuff manually for raring
[16:27] <Riddell> probably same thing caused missed uploads in backports
[16:27] <shadeslayer> aha! so it's not just me
[20:05] <yofel> Riddell: it should be the same issue. I made pull-ppa-source try a bit harder, but launchpad is seriously bad reliability-wise lately
[20:53]  * Darkwing wimpers
[20:53] <Darkwing> I don't know what I did...
[20:53] <Riddell> Darkwing: um, did you do anything?
[20:54] <Darkwing> upgraded form 10.04 to 10.10 and this happened... http://paste.kde.org/717026/
[20:54] <Darkwing> Muon doesn't want to work and It's borked quite a bit.
[20:55] <Riddell> 10.10?  what year is this?
[20:56] <Riddell> apt-get upgrade shouldn't ever be used, certainly not for a version upgrade
[20:58] <Darkwing> 12.10
[20:58] <Darkwing> and AFTER the upgrade when I was updating everything that happened.
[20:59] <Darkwing> So, after I did the upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 that happened.
[20:59] <Darkwing> and I'm a bit lost.
[21:00] <Riddell> mm, me too, does look like python is a bit broken there
[21:00] <Riddell> bat your eyelids at ScottK, he's good with python
[21:01]  * Darkwing pokes ScottK
[21:02] <Riddell> does google say anything?
[21:03] <Darkwing> I spent time pouring over google. Nothing I could decypher
[21:04] <yofel> tried debsums as I said?
[21:04] <yofel> otherwise look for some debpython/option.py file somewhere
[21:04] <Darkwing> I'm sorry yofel I missed that...
[21:04] <yofel> dpkg -S should tell you
[21:05] <yofel> can check whether the content of that file is sensible
[21:06] <yofel> *then check
[21:06]  * Darkwing sighs
[21:06] <Riddell> yofel: should be the rest of 4.10.2 uploaded to backports now
[21:07] <Darkwing> This is what debsums -S gave me. http://paste.kde.org/717038/
[21:08] <Darkwing> Something is major broke. I can't even install a new program
[21:14] <yofel> Riddell: for quantal yes once that's ready
[21:14] <yofel> Riddell: as for precise first copy the kde-workspace upload you did to ninjas so it *builds*, then copy everything over
[21:46] <yofel> Darkwing: something looks seriously broken with your python installation
[21:47] <yofel> Darkwing: possibly try to pull the debsums deb from launchpad or archive and force it in 
[21:55] <yofel> Riddell: wrt https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+build/4470999 - can it be that you backported akonadi without changing the boost version?
[21:58] <yofel> once that's fixed the rest of the missing packages should be uploaded there, then someone should test whether at least the dependencies are correct, after that feel free to publish it
[21:59] <yofel> I won't be online till tomorrow evening, so don't count on me fixing something
[21:59]  * yofel is off to bed - good night
[23:08] <Riddell> bug 1164093
[23:08] <Riddell> "The Ubuntu X team would like to push mesa 9.1.1 for raring."
[23:08] <Riddell> we should probably test that