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TaggnostrI just got a new pc with a 128GB ssd and a normal hd, and was wondering what would be the best way to divide the partitions between the two00:55
Taggnostrdo you have any suggestion?00:56
DarthFrogTaggnostr: Partition the SSD into two partitions, one about 15 gig or so for the system, the rest for your home directory.01:06
DarthFrogTaggnostr: Mount the HD into your home directory and use it for static storage.01:07
TaggnostrDarthFrog, what about the swap partition?01:07
DarthFrogTaggnostr: Do not put your swap partition on the SSD.  How much RAM do you have?01:07
DarthFrogYou don't need a swap partition with that much RAM.01:08
DarthFrogAlso:  http://apcmag.com/how-to-maximise-ssd-performance-with-linux.htm01:08
TaggnostrI was also reading https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives01:08
TaggnostrDarthFrog, is the swap partition completely unnecessary with 8GB of ram, or is it better to still create it (on the normal HD)?01:13
DarthFrogUp to you and it depends upon how you use your computer.01:14
DarthFrogPersonally, my attitude is if I ever need to use swap, I need more RAM. :-)01:15
Taggnostrwhat happens if I run out of ram and I don't have a swap partition? if it's safer to have a swap partition I don't mind to use a few GB from the normal HD for it01:15
DarthFrogSwap was useful back in the days of low RAM machines and high RAM cost.  Those days of expensive resources are over.01:15
DarthFrogTaggnostr:  As I said, it's up to you.  The resource cost of a swap partition on today's monster HDs is trivial.01:16
TaggnostrI'm not planning to use 8GB of RAM constantly (I've been living with 2GB so far), but it might be possible to have peaks over 8GB if I start running a couple VMs while doing other things01:17
DarthFrogIf you're running virtual machines, then you need real RAM, not swap.01:18
Taggnostralso it seemed to me that the swap was used even if there was free ram, is that not the case? (or do I have to configure it somehow to keep everything in ram?)01:18
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Taggnostrfor example now my pc (the one with 2GiB) reports 1.2GiB for the RAM and 0.5GiB for the swap01:19
DarthFrogWith 2 GB of RAM, I'd have a swap partition.01:19
Taggnostrwhat's the difference between kubuntu 32bit or 64bit? why is 32bit recommended?01:38
DarthFrogBecause it works on all systems, 32bit and 64bit.  There's no killer advantage to using 64bit, unless you're doing lots of number crunching.01:42
DarthFrogIf you install 6bit, you'll also likely need to install the ia32-libs for some backward compatibility.  Eg. Steam requires 32 bit support.01:43
Taggnostrwill kubuntu ask me to do the partitioning when I boot the ISO from usb?01:49
tsimpsonit asks if you choose manual partitioning, and it will ask for confirmation with the automatic partitioning anyway02:33
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Taggnostrtsimpson, ok02:51
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dav7xHi everyone! Does anyone know what are the plans for the backporting of future major kde releases to kubuntu 12.04 (e.g. kde 4.11, 4.12)?05:03
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FlameReaper-PCHas anyone had a problem logging in after updating to KDE 4.10.2?06:36
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keplerevening all! anyone know how to set the title of the current terminal tab, via the terminal?07:03
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lordievaderGood morning07:43
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Sarger001How do i adjust window bounds?08:30
Sarger001I've moved the panel to the top and it always overlaps my window08:31
Sarger001i have a screenshot08:31
Sarger001notice the bar up top08:32
Sarger001so how do i adjust how far a window can maximise up to?08:33
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FlameReaper-PCAnyone had any problems logging in after updating to KDE 4.10.2?08:35
FlameReaper-PCAlso, is there any support channel for Linux Mint?08:35
ubottuLinux Mint is not a supported derivative of Ubuntu. Please seek support in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org08:35
Sarger001DW i figured it out mysekf08:36
Sarger001I used to think kubuntu looked ugly and childish, it's starting to grow on me :D08:38
FlameReaper-PCHmm, back to this: [16:35] <FlameReaper-PC> Anyone had any problems logging in after updating to KDE 4.10.2?08:39
TaggnostrI'm installing kubuntu on a new pc with 120GB SSD + 1TB HD and I heard that setting up LVM is better, but I don't know much about it.  Now there's an option that says "use entire disk and set up LVM", should I select this?08:56
Tm_TTaggnostr: have anyone explained why LVM would be better?08:56
Taggnostr"because it's more flexible and it's difficult to add it later if you didn't do it at the beginning"?08:57
TaggnostrIIUC I should make a 200MB partition for /boot on the SSD, use the rest of the SSD as a second partition and the whole HD as a third partition08:59
Tm_TTaggnostr: automatic partitioning wouldn't do it like that AFAIK09:00
TaggnostrI also read that I should align the SSD.  Will I be able to do that if I select the "guided installation" or should I select manual instead?09:00
Taggnostrbefore finding about LVM I was going to have 20GB for / + 100GB for /home on the SSD, but now with LVM I'm not sure anymore what I should do09:02
TaggnostrTm_T, any suggestion about what to do?09:08
Tm_TTaggnostr: hmm, perhaps what you just described, except perhaps larger root, and home with LVM09:14
Tm_Tthen you can extend home to use part or entirely the larger disk you have09:14
Taggnostron this pc I have 2 HDs and I mounted the second one as /home/data (the /home is on the first one)09:15
Taggnostrhow will it work with LVM?09:15
Tm_TLVM basicly means that you can add and extend partitions easily09:16
Tm_Tthat's pretty much all the benefit for you in ordinary use09:16
Taggnostrwhat I know about LVM is that is some kind of layer that will allow you to see a partition as a single thing even if the data are saved on different disks09:17
Taggnostrbut here I want to keep the SSD and the HD separated09:17
Taggnostrso I think I will have to do 3 physical partition (/boot, one for the SSD and one for the HD)09:18
Taggnostrbut then I'm not sure what to do next09:18
Taggnostrsto logical partition on the SSD partition for / and /home?09:19
Taggnostrwhen I do the manual configuration, there are "primary" and "logical" as partition type, is "logical" related to LVM?09:22
Tm_TTaggnostr: nope09:25
Taggnostrnow I was trying "guided with LVM" and I think it started doing the partitioning on its own...09:26
Tm_Tyes it does09:27
Sarger001http://i.imgur.com/xaBt7Pf.jpg How's my desktop?09:53
administrator_can't open this pictrue!!09:54
lordievaderLooks good Sarger001, though I would like to point you to #kubuntu-offtopic. Unless it is a picture of a problem ;)09:54
administrator_i agree!09:55
Sarger001OK Gone there09:55
FlameReaper-PCDoes anyone here update to KDE 4.10.2?09:57
lordievaderHmm seems my mirror is outdated...10:00
lordievaderFlameReaper-PC: I'll check it out in the afternoon, see how the update goes.10:01
Tm_TFlameReaper-PC: yes10:01
FlameReaper-PClordievader: Ok thanks. It seems here the update on my part broke in some way, it keeps kicking me back to the login screen no matter what I try.10:01
FlameReaper-PCI was able to start Plasma Desktop manually by hijacking an LXDE session though.10:02
Tm_TFlameReaper-PC: check ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.0.log for hints what goes wrong when logging in10:03
FlameReaper-PCI'll retry that.10:04
Sarger001Is there a launchpad style dashboard for kubuntu? Really need one10:09
lordievaderThat's odd, it doesn't give me the update to 4.10.2. Oh well I'll take a look at it later...10:10
FlameReaperlordievader: Are you updating via the Kubuntu Backports?10:12
FlameReaperBy the way10:12
FlameReaperTm_T: http://pastebin.com/jYEQxvQd << Xorg.0.log10:12
FlameReaperand http://pastebin.com/cXKvuPrR << .xsession-errors10:13
FlameReaperfrom what I understand there is no error message given10:13
FlameReaperit just kicks me back to the login screen10:13
Tm_TFlameReaper: uh, is that your entire .xsession-errors?10:28
FlameReaperTm_T: Yes10:30
Mamarokthat is the default value, let me see if I find where to change that11:30
Mamaroknvm, wrong channel11:31
Tm_TFlameReaper-PC: any luck with it?12:00
FlameReaperTm_T: Not a single sign of it.12:04
FlameReaperTried a lot including removing the .kde folder12:05
FlameReaperseveral times12:05
FlameReaperreinstalling the entire KDE packages, but no downgrading12:05
FlameReaperas said earlier, I was able to get to a KDE desktop by hijacking an LXDE session12:07
FlameReapersuggesting something might be wrong on the login part12:07
FlameReaperI just don't know where to start looking12:07
Tm_TFlameReaper: what you mean by "hijacking" in this case?12:13
manuel_gesellschaft mit beschrnkter hoffnung12:14
Tm_T!de | manuel_12:17
ubottumanuel_: In den meisten Ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuche bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Einfach "/join #ubuntu-de" eingeben. Danke für Dein Verständnis!12:17
lordievaderHey FlameReaper, no I'm running Raring, didn't think it would be neccessary to add the backports.12:19
MamarokFlameReaper: and you are sure you have all kde-runtime packages installed?12:20
Mamaroklordievader: the backports are not yet activated, this will only happen after the release12:20
lordievaderMamarok: Exactly, that is what I thought. However in my Raring install I do not get the update to 4.10.212:21
Mamaroklordievader: because they are not done yet?12:21
FlameReaper-PCMamarok: How do I make sure of that?12:22
FlameReaper-PCTm_T: I logged in using an LXDE session12:22
lordievaderMamarok: Ok, if that is the reason. But quoting from the Kubuntu website: "Packages for the release of KDE SC 4.10.2 are available for Kubuntu 12.10, 12.04 and our Raring development release."12:23
FlameReaper-PCthen killed the panel, window manager and desktop, and ran the following manually:12:23
Mamarokoh, let me check that out, then12:23
FlameReaper-PCKwin, plasma-desktop, and krunner (for ALT+F2)12:24
MamarokFlameReaper-PC: open the package manager and check if you have all the lsited kde-runtime packages installed12:24
BluesKaj"Morning all12:24
FlameReaper-PCMamarok: I was upgrading, so I don't really know what I would miss12:26
FlameReaper-PCand that while I can start a plasma desktop session manually it's the login that is giving me problems12:27
FlameReaper-PCanyway I will be AFK for a while for dinner, will be back later12:27
MamarokFlameReaper-PC: the problem is that you don't have all packages, that announcement was psoted too early12:28
Mamarokso you have an incomplete upgrade12:28
FlameReaper-PCMamarok: so that means I upgraded with an uncomplete list of packages?12:29
smartboyhwMamarok, who was the person having problems12:29
Mamaroksmartboyhw: FlameReaper-PC12:30
smartboyhwFlameReaper-PC, hello12:30
FlameReaper-PCsmartboyhw: Hello12:30
smartboyhwFlameReaper-PC, the strange thing is that when we tested internally people reported that the DE is working okay.12:30
smartboyhwFlameReaper-PC, it might be that the packages aren't copied fully to the Backports PPA then12:31
smartboyhwFlameReaper-PC, let us check please:)12:31
FlameReaper-PCProbably I upgraded too early? :P12:31
smartboyhwAnd sorry for breaking your desktop:(12:31
MamarokFlameReaper-PC: yes, unfortunately12:32
FlameReaper-PCsmartboyhw: It's all right, I'm just curious12:32
smartboyhwFlameReaper-PC, yes.12:32
smartboyhwFlameReaper-PC, no worries12:32
smartboyhwWe will get it fixed for you:)12:32
smartboyhwFlameReaper-PC: Just a confirmation: You are running 12.10 right?12:33
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lordievaderFlameReaper-PC: You around? What version of Kubuntu are you running?12:51
lordievaderIt would help us a lot :)12:51
smartboyhwFlameReaper-PC lordievader upgraded perfectly...13:11
lordievaderFlameReaper-PC: In Quantal, lets also mention that.13:12
FlameReaper-PCsmartboyhw: Yes, I am on 12.1013:29
smartboyhwFlameReaper-PC: OK13:30
smartboyhwlordievader found it no problem13:30
smartboyhwSo try again maybe:(13:30
FlameReaper-PCsmartboyhw: Acknowledged.13:30
lordievaderFlameReaper-PC: How did you try to update?13:30
FlameReaper-PClordievader: The usual apt-get upgrade13:30
FlameReaper-PCbecause I already have the PPA in my system13:31
lordievaderFlameReaper-PC: It might be that apt found a few packages had a too big influence and kept them back, perhap you can try to update with apt-get dist-upgrade.13:31
FlameReaper-PClordievader: Doesn't seem to be the case, the apt log shows a clean output, except for this one:13:34
FlameReaper-PCdpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libqtcore4_4%3a4.8.3+dfsg-0ubuntu3.2~ubuntu12.10~ppa1_i386.deb (--unpack):13:34
FlameReaper-PC trying to overwrite shared '/etc/xdg/Trolltech.conf', which is different from other instances of package libqtcore4:i38613:34
smartboyhwlibqtcore? Hmm13:34
FlameReaper-PCWhich I issued a dpkg --force-all later on13:35
smartboyhwFlameReaper-PC, and it didn't work right?13:36
smartboyhwOh no, I know nothing about Qt...13:36
FlameReaper-PCsmartboyhw: I managed to force it to install, but I don't really think it impacts much to the problem I currently have13:36
FlameReaper-PCsince I can run plasma-desktop13:36
FlameReaper-PCbut not login into it.13:37
smartboyhwFlameReaper, so you can't login.13:37
FlameReaper-PCsmartboyhw: Yes. The only way I can get to plasma-desktop is by running LXDE,13:37
FlameReaper-PCkilling the window manager, panel and desktop13:37
FlameReaper-PCand replacing it with KDE's.13:38
WalexFlameReaper-PC: that means your Display Manager (KDM, GDM, LightDM, ...) is not configured to offer you the option of starting a different Desktop Environment13:48
FlameReaper-PCWalex: Err, no, that isn't it13:49
FlameReaper-PCEvery display manager I use has KDE listed in it13:49
FlameReaper-PCI just cannot log in when I choose it13:49
FlameReaper-PCit keeps kicking me back to the display manager13:49
WalexFlameReaper-PC: ahhhh that's quite a different thing. You can login, but the startup of KDE fails, a different thing.13:49
FlameReaper-PCWalex: I can start the desktop manually while in another session though13:50
WalexFlameReaper-PC: instead of KDE, choose "xterm" or "fallback" or "failsafe" then you get an empty screen with a single 'xterm' and then type 'startkde' and check if it works that way13:51
FlameReaper-PCWalex: Tried that too, but I can't13:51
FlameReaper-PCKDE doesn't have an "Xterm" option, but I suppose "Failsafe" is it13:52
FlameReaper-PCOh yeah I should note this:13:52
WalexFlameReaper-PC: that should be good.13:52
FlameReaper-PCI can't log in to that either.13:52
smartboyhwFlameReaper, it might not be your problem. We have some applications that aren't copied into the Backports PPA (strangely)13:52
WalexFlameReaper-PC: then you have a really screwed up Desktop Manager configuration.13:53
smartboyhwFlameReaper-PC: ^13:53
FlameReaper-PCWalex: Thing is, I don't get how it could be that screwed up when all I did was an upgrade...13:53
WalexFlameReaper-PC: try to have a look into '~/.xsession-errors' that should tell you something13:53
FlameReaper-PCXsession errors didn't give me much13:54
FlameReaper[18:12] <FlameReaper> Tm_T: http://pastebin.com/jYEQxvQd << Xorg.0.log13:54
FlameReaper[18:13] <FlameReaper> and http://pastebin.com/cXKvuPrR << .xsession-errors13:54
WalexFlameReaper-PC: anyhow what is your current default Desktop Manager? In '/etc/X11/default-desktop-manager'? Probably KDM from what you say.13:55
FlameReaper-PCFlameReaper: Yes, it is KDM.13:56
FlameReaper-PCHowever, it is the same when I use other display managers.13:56
FlameReaper-PCTried to log in, screen goes blank a while and then I'm back at the display manager13:56
WalexFlameReaper-PC: then perhaps there is some error in you ~/.xession' script13:57
FlameReaper-PCIs there such a thing?13:58
FlameReaper-PCls gives me these: .xine/ .xinput.d/  .xsession-errors .xsession-errors.old13:58
JeenaHi, something weird happened, after todays update my display settings widget in the system settings is gone, how can I get it back?14:05
smartboyhwJeena, which release are you in and do you use the Backports PPA?14:05
Jeenahm good questions ^^ how can I find that out? I just installed kubuntu from the website 2 month ago14:06
lordievaderJeena: lsb_release -a14:08
Jeenajeena@Dipsy:~$  lsb_release -a14:08
JeenaNo LSB modules are available.14:08
JeenaDistributor ID: Ubuntu14:08
JeenaDescription:    Ubuntu 12.1014:08
JeenaRelease:        12.1014:08
JeenaCodename:       quantal14:08
FloodBotK1Jeena: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.14:08
smartboyhwJeena, did you enable the Backports PPA?14:09
JeenaI am not sure how to check if I did.14:09
smartboyhwJeena, paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to pate.ubuntu.com and give us the link14:10
yofelJeena: is kde-workspace-randr installed?14:10
yofelif not please install it, that should bring the display settings back14:11
Jeenaok I will try14:12
liudasi wonder when mouse cursom theme will change correctly? i mean: if you download any additional cursor theme and choose it - only half of theme works. i know already work around with conficuring, or to be more precise - only triggering the cursor defaults to make downloaded cursor theme to work correctly, but i found only kubuntu distro with this "king of bug". and i noticed that this faulty cursor heme behavior could be found at least from kubuntu 11.14:12
liudas10 maybe..14:12
Jeenaoh yofel wohoo! they're back!14:13
Jeenathanks so much :)14:13
liudasso why is it so? does it has something sofisticated to fix, or i am the only one who finds it? :)14:13
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ovidiu-florinhello world :D15:14
ovidiu-florinI've tried and tried again15:14
ovidiu-florinI can't get this damn thing to work properlly15:14
ovidiu-florinlordievader: are you here?15:14
ovidiu-florinI've tried to uninstall and reinstall my NVIDIA drivers because the refresh rate can't get over 60Hz15:16
ovidiu-florinI got a massive headake because I tried to work on this thing so please be patient with me15:16
ovidiu-florinI've reinstalled the driver.15:17
ovidiu-florinNow I'm stuch at 800x600 with 61Hz15:17
ovidiu-florinI have Kubuntu 12.04 with backports15:17
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lordievaderovidiu-florin: Ai, that doesn't sound good.15:22
ovidiu-florinI'm really frustrated15:22
ovidiu-florinI can't do any work15:22
lordievaderovidiu-florin: I can understand that. What driver do you currently have installed?15:23
ovidiu-florinnvidia current15:23
ovidiu-florinI've just installed it again...15:24
ovidiu-florinnow I'm stuck at maximum 640x480 with 55Hz15:24
lordievaderAnd your card is supported by this driver?15:24
ovidiu-florinwhat's wrong with this thing?15:24
ovidiu-florinwhy would it be presented in the Aditional Drivers if it would not be compatible?15:24
lordievaderI'm just asking... Does nvidia-xconfig (or however it is called) complain about anything?15:25
ovidiu-florinis that a command?15:25
BluesKajovidiu-florin, run , glxinfo | grep OpenGL , the vendor string is the driver in use15:26
lordievaderovidiu-florin: It's an application, but I'm not sure if I have the right name.15:26
lordievaderAh BluesKaj, great you're here, you have much more experience with nVidia ;)15:26
BluesKajnvidia-xconfig writes an  xorg.conf file using the driver parameters and monitor you have installed , it's really not needed15:28
ovidiu-florinWhat can I try?15:30
lordievaderWas it nvidia-xsettings then? The settings application is the one I mean.15:31
BluesKajovidiu-florin, did you see my suggestion above?15:32
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: I saw it, I don't have glxinfo15:32
ovidiu-florinwhat's the package name?15:33
BluesKajwe need to know whether the nvidia driver is actually in use, install mesa-utils for glxinfo to work15:33
ovidiu-florinOpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation15:34
ovidiu-florinGeForce GT 220/PCIe/SSe215:35
ovidiu-florinversion string: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 295.4015:35
BluesKajthat's the nvidia-current driver for your card , what kubuntu version ovidiu-florin ?15:36
ovidiu-florin12.04 with backports15:36
BluesKajthe 295.40 is an old driver15:36
BluesKajok 12.04 , that be the current driver alright15:37
BluesKajcould be15:37
BluesKajovidiu-florin, let me do some checking , I think a more current driver is available , I don't trust jockey to install the drivers correctly\15:38
ovidiu-florinneighter do I15:39
ovidiu-florinthat's why I wanted to ask you, could I fix it from CLI?15:39
BluesKajovidiu-florin, I'm speaking from personal experience15:39
FlameReaper310.44 is the latest.15:39
ovidiu-florinit's beta15:39
BluesKajFlameReaper, for 12.04 ?15:39
ovidiu-florinis it stable?15:39
FlameReaperThat's what I got at the NVIDIA site15:40
BluesKajdon't think so15:40
ovidiu-florinI saw it available in aditional drivers15:40
ovidiu-florinbut it's beta15:40
ovidiu-florinI treid to install it... it crashed everything...15:40
ovidiu-florinI had to uninstall everithing NVIDIA15:40
FlameReaperI'd look at the terminal log for apt15:40
ovidiu-florinand reinstall current15:40
FlameReaperand see where it went wrong15:40
FlameReaperas for my case, the driver doesn't like the new kernels15:41
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: I said that I don't trust it because It crashed my system many times15:42
BluesKajovidiu-florin, ok I have the 310.32 driver installed , even tho the recommended linux driver for my card is the 310.44 as well , and I'm running  kubuntu 13.04 .. the experimentals aren't very stable or smooth15:46
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: what do you recommend that I do?15:48
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BluesKajovd recommend you try the 304 driver , so remove the nvidia-current , but make sure you update and upgrade first , you may have an upgrade in the repos that accomplishes the same thing I'm about tom suggest15:48
ovidiu-florinI'm up to date( apt-get update && apt-get upgrade)15:51
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: is "apt-get remove --purge nvidia-current" ok to uninstall?15:52
BluesKajovidiu-florin, ok sudo dpkg -r nvidia-current , (I don't use pat-get with drivers)15:52
BluesKajovidiu-florin, then sudo dpkg -i nvidia-30415:53
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: no such file or directory15:54
BluesKajsometimes apt-get leaves config files that interfere with the API and creates a mismatch15:54
ovidiu-florincan't isntall15:55
BluesKajok hang on15:55
BluesKajovidiu-florin, ok try, sudo dpkg -i nvidia-31015:58
ovidiu-florinsame thing15:59
BluesKajthen reboot , do you have all the repositories in your package manager enabled ? like canonical partners etc16:00
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: from what I know dpkg can only install from files16:00
ovidiu-florinand only apt can install from repos16:01
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: yes, they are all enabled, exept fot the cd-rom ones16:02
ovidiu-florinI rebooted, and my system froze durring booting up16:02
BluesKajovidiu-florin, ok nm , use ap-get then , but it's the same thing ..I used dpkg to install my drivers and it worked just fine ,16:02
ovidiu-florinthis keeps happening If I have no driver installed16:03
ovidiu-florinI'll boot in recovery16:03
ovidiu-florinit froze, there's no tty available16:04
BluesKajovidiu-florin, odd you don't have any driver packages in jockey16:06
BluesKajovid  reboot then drop to the tty16:06
ovidiu-florinok, I'm in tty16:08
BluesKajovidiu-florin, have you done any dist-upgrades lately ?16:09
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: there is no nvidia-304 or nvidia-310 only nvidia-experimental-30416:09
ovidiu-florinI installed 12.04 and sticked with it16:09
BluesKajthen do one16:10
ovidiu-florinto 12.10?16:10
BluesKajit just upgrades your packages , not the OS16:10
BluesKajand the desktop16:10
ovidiu-florinsudo do-release-upgrade, right?16:11
BluesKajif you want to stay on 12.04 just do dist-upgrade , it upgrades you packages and the latest kernel for your OS...it does NOT upgrade to next OS16:12
ovidiu-florinnow I understand16:12
ovidiu-florinthere is no command dist-upgrade16:13
BluesKajthat's why dpkg didn't have the drivers availabl;e16:13
BluesKajovidiu-florin, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade16:14
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: nothing to be done.  it says that it's up to date16:15
ovidiu-florinshould I pastebin the sources.list?16:15
ovidiu-florinit's the default one with all enabled exept the cd-rom's16:15
BluesKajovidiu-florin, then you have the LTS only packages setting enabled in your package manager16:15
ovidiu-florincan I remoce that from tty?16:16
BluesKajperhaps , but i don't know the commnads16:16
ovidiu-florinok, I'll startx16:16
BluesKajyou should be on the nouveau driver when you get to the desktop16:17
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: vendor strig now says: VMware, Inc.16:18
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BluesKajoh , now he tells me ...VMware , wonderf ul news16:19
ovidiu-florinthis is not a virtual machine16:19
draganmy kubuntu 13.04 changed time zone to utc by itself16:20
ovidiu-florinI have VMware installed on this system because I cross compile with windows and I have windows in a virtual machine16:20
BluesKajovidiu-florin, go into muon and disable the LTS only option16:20
BluesKajI have to go for a whaile BBL16:21
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: Software Sources -> Updates -> Release upgrade -> normal releases16:21
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade still has nothing to do16:22
IdleOnesudo apt-get do-release-upgrade16:22
dragani lefted home and when i returned it changed time adn added utc under the clock16:22
ubottuA dist-upgrade will install new dependencies for packages already installed and may remove packages if they are no longer needed. This will not bring you to a new release of Ubuntu, see !upgrade if that is your intention.16:22
ovidiu-florinIdleOne: that command is invalid16:24
ovidiu-florinthere is no option "do-release-upgrade for apt-get16:24
IdleOnethere is16:24
IdleOnesudo do-release-upgrade16:25
IdleOneno apt-get16:25
ovidiu-florinthat's something else16:25
IdleOneovidiu-florin: you're right :)16:25
ovidiu-florinthat upgrades my OS16:25
IdleOnewhat are you trying to do?16:25
jproxdragan: right click on clock, select "Analog clock settings", click OK should go back the way you want it.16:25
ovidiu-florinupgrade my packages but not my OS16:26
ovidiu-florinhow do I remove the only LTS updates from muon?16:26
jproxdragan: doen't actually change timezone of computer, just widget display.16:26
IdleOneinstalling packages from newer releases is not recommended or supported, it may work but will probably end up causing breakage16:27
IdleOnedepending on the package you want to upgrade there may be a PPA16:27
ovidiu-florinI need the package nvidia-304 or nvidia-310 but for 12.04 only experimental packages are available16:28
dragani only have digital clock settings no analong clock settings16:28
IdleOneisn't nvidia-current the 310?16:28
genii-around!info nvidia-current quantal16:28
ubottunvidia-current (source: nvidia-graphics-drivers): NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library. In component restricted, is optional. Version 304.51.really.304.43-0ubuntu1 (quantal), package size 37197 kB, installed size 105665 kB (Only available for i386; amd64; lpia)16:28
ovidiu-florinnvidia current is 295.4016:28
dragani checked in options it automaticly somehow unchecked serbia and cheched utc16:29
genii-aroundAh, right, precise not quantal16:29
ovidiu-florin!info nvidia-current precise16:29
ubottunvidia-current (source: nvidia-graphics-drivers): NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library. In component restricted, is optional. Version 295.40-0ubuntu1.3 (precise), package size 32657 kB, installed size 96040 kB (Only available for i386; amd64; lpia)16:29
ovidiu-florindragan: digital clock settings -> timezones -> uncheck UTC16:30
IdleOnebeats me, but I don't recommend you install the quantal package on precise16:30
ovidiu-florinthen I'll have to install quantal or raring16:31
ovidiu-florinwhen is raring released?16:31
draganit happend to me few months ago with ubuntu 12.10 under kde but i taught it was me accidentaly changed somehow niw i see that it have something to do with kde\16:31
IdleOne~4 weeks16:31
ovidiu-florinso, 13.04 will be released in may?16:32
ovidiu-florinwon't that make it 13.05 ?16:32
ubottuA schedule of Raring Ringtail (13.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule16:32
IdleOneApril 25th16:32
dragantime is back i wonder how it got checked???16:33
ovidiu-florinIdleOne: the red font on red background does not help much16:33
IdleOneI agree16:33
ovidiu-florinwhat's BBL?16:35
IdleOneBe Back Later16:36
ovidiu-florinThat's it, I'm upgrading to quantal16:40
ubottuUbuntu 12.10 (Quantal Quetzal) is the current stable release of Ubuntu. Download http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.10/ - Release notes: http://ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/12.1016:40
BluesKajovidiu-florin, did run sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade after setting the packages in muon back to 'normal' ?16:47
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toqeerhell mau16:54
toqeerhello mau16:54
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: yes16:54
ovidiu-florinno difference16:54
Questhow to share remote desktop by ssh protocol? I remember some package have "NS" in its name. any one knows about it?16:54
sakangI see those 4.10.2 in backports ppa already but they won't show up in apt-get update. any idea why?16:54
ovidiu-florinI've started to upgrade to quantal, if this does not work properly, I'l reinstall16:54
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: ^16:55
BluesKajok ovidiu-florin . hope it works out16:55
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: thank you for your help16:57
ovidiu-florinI'll try to install nvidia-304 after upgrade16:57
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sakangQuest: look for openssh in the ubuntu wiki17:00
Questah.. i have open ssh. i need GUI desktop sharing17:00
dan_lhi.  are there any reccomended netbooks for kubuntu?17:00
Questsakang, ^17:00
Questwhats the recomended one for package for NX (like freeNX) to share full desktop with mouse, keyboard events where the server can be on linux ubuntu and the client may be either linux or windows?17:00
sakangQuest: kubuntu/kde has a remote desktop apps IIRC17:02
ovidiu-florinsakang: KRDC?17:02
Questi need the client to be windows also17:02
dan_lps:  kubuntu's remote desktop apps are absolutely awesome.......17:02
genii-aroundQuest: Why don't you just use FreeNX ?17:03
ubottuFreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX17:03
dav7xHi everyone! Does somebody know what are the plans for future KDE backports for 12.04 (i.e. kde 4.11, etc)?17:03
Questgenii-around,  ok..17:03
Questgenii-around,  whats the package name?17:04
genii-aroundQuest: It's not packaged by Canonical. See the link for install instructions17:04
Questgenii-around,  is it neatx better?17:04
sakangdav7x: it's safe to assume 4.xx will show up in backports :)17:05
dav7xthanks sakang!17:06
sakangdav7x: 4.10.2 is in but looks like gate is stil closed17:07
ovidiu-florinsakang: what does that mean? gate closed?17:08
FlameReaper-N900I'm still having problems upgrading to it though17:08
sakangovidiu-florin: can't get it yet17:08
FlameReaper-N900A few reinstalls later and I still have no luck :(17:08
dav7xOh, I got 4.10.2 here in kubuntu 12.10.  I'm planning a downgrade to Kubuntu 12.04 since I will get support until 2017, and I'll be stuck with AMD legacy  drivers due to dropped support for xserver 1.13+17:10
Questgenii-around,  what is the replaced text for "gnome-session"  which is for ubuntu. what is for kubuntu?17:13
sakangdav7x: support here means mostly security updates17:13
genii-aroundQuest: startkde17:13
Questgenii-around,  gnome-session17:14
Questgenii-around,  it says kde session is already running17:15
dav7xsakang: I see... I didn't phrase my question well, then. What I mean is that I'd like to know if at least some future major releases (e.g.: kde 4.11, 4.12) could still make it to Kubuntu backports ppa for Kubuntu 12.04.17:15
Questgenii-around,  that means i cannot log the with a user who is already logged in?17:15
ovidiu-florinare AMD video boards preffered over Nvidia video boards on kubuntu?17:16
Questgenii-around,  correct?17:16
dav7xsakang: (as long as they don't depend on other future incompatible packages from future core ubuntu releases)17:17
BluesKajovidiu-florin, not really17:18
dav7xovidiu-florin: in case if you asked that regarding what I said, my problem is that I have an ATI HD 3400 card, and they dropped support for anything older than HD 4XXX since they will not be working with X server 1.12 or less for newer driver releases.17:18
sakangdav7x: 13.xx is already a lot better than 12.04.  Not sure if you will still want 12.04 when 16/17:xx is around17:19
dav7xovidiu-florin: by "they" I mean  AMD17:19
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: I'm thinking that maybe there is something wrong with this video board17:20
sakangovidiu-florin: not sure about your application but radeon works fine for me for legacy cards17:21
dav7xsakang: probably, but I'll be stuck with legacy drivers, and 13.xx will have x server 1.13+, which will not get support for proprietary drivers from AMD since they consider my card is too old. No luck for me :(17:21
QuestI am ssh -X user@domain. logged in. but it says kde already running when I type startkde. whats wrong?17:22
Questgenii-around,  ^17:22
Quest so no kde should be running on that computer? why cant i run the kde on the server and remote desktop as well?17:23
dav7xsakang: I guess I will have to downgrade anyway, otherwise I will start missing security updates next year.17:24
sakangdav7x:i'm guessing you need prop drivers you do video-intensive work? then get a nice new card17:26
BluesKajovidiu-florin, according to other users , your 12.04 install should have newer stable drivers/packages available than you had there ..don't think your graphics card is to blame.17:27
dav7xsakang: not possible for my notebook. Open source drivers are still not cutting it, sadly. Suspend resume doesn't work, energy managment is absent or extremely poor, etc.17:29
dav7xThe only option I see for now to get future KDE major releases is switching to Arch and pin down xserver. Sadly (again), I never got the same support out of the box for printers, nor working suspend/hibernate with arch, besides some nasty hiccups in package management there.17:31
sakangdav7x: I have a 2005 Compaq with the very first 64-bit Turion and radeon works nicely with kde17:32
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: then .... I don't know...17:32
dav7xsakang: admiteddly I haven't tested recent versions of radeon. I will have to do some testing then!17:33
sakangdav7x: I don't remember exactly the card but it's pretty old like xpress 120M something17:34
Questhow to kill kde desktop?17:34
sakangstop kdm17:35
dav7xsakang: so maybe it could also be that your card has features that have had more time to be ironed out17:36
Questsakang,  not working17:40
Questsakang,  $ sudo stop kdm17:41
Queststop: Unknown job: kdm17:41
tsimpsonwe use lightdm these days, stopping that will kill all of the GUI so you'll have to login to a TTY and start it manually17:42
tsimpsonor just use "sudo restart lightdm"17:42
sakangQuest: yeah if you use lightdm as the login mgr17:44
sakangQuest: os on a terminal, find out the process ID and then kill it17:45
Questsakang,  tsimpson  i dont know. i just installed kubuntu 12.1017:45
tsimpson12.10 uses lightdm, yeah17:45
Questtsimpson,  sakang  iam on ssh -X user@domain      i cannot start a GUi. how can i do that please?17:46
tsimpsonjust like I showed, "sudo restart lightdm"  that will kill the whole GUI on the host and bring up the login manager again17:47
tsimpsonit's not the most graceful way to kill a desktop session, you can communicate with the desktop over DBus these days too using qdbus or dbus-send and ask the desktop to logout rather than killing all of it. that's only if the session is responding of course17:48
sakangQuest: sorry, I only use ssh to read/write files. not familiar with remote desktop17:50
Questwhat is the replacement of gnome-session  in kubuntu?17:50
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: I'm on quantal17:53
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: Vendor string nouveau17:54
dav7xsakang: gotta go now, thank you!17:55
ovidiu-florinhow can I see package info with apt?17:55
sakangovidiu-florin: aptitude show pkg17:56
ovidiu-florinI can manage with aptitude, I asked about apt17:57
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sakangovidiu-florin: then replace aptitude with apt-cache17:57
BluesKajok ovidiu-florin , ok that's the default nvidia driver , you'll find the drivers in your package manager , muon,   the 304 should work17:58
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ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: 304 still apears as experimental17:59
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: should I install nvidia-current?18:01
BluesKajovidiu-florin, do, sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade first , then look at your nvidia choices18:03
pedorhi, how stable is kubuntu 13.04? I'm thinking to upgrade before the final release18:06
mausschubsermy laptop does not start any more. it is suck at `checking battery state `18:06
ovidiu-florinmausschubser: try ctrl+alt+F818:06
ovidiu-florinmausschubser: if no change than go to tty1 (ctrl+alt+f1) and login and run "startx"18:07
mausschubserI'm running kubuntu 12.1018:07
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: just got the update to KDE 4.10.2... this might take a while18:09
BluesKajyeah , it's quite large , should be finished in a few mins tho18:10
mausschubsercannot remember my user id18:10
pedoranybody using 13.04?18:12
ovidiu-florinmausschubser: then..... hard reboot.18:13
BluesKajpedor yes but  13.04 questions should be asked in #ubuntu+118:14
Questiam following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX . at step 5. it says Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have18:14
Questrequested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been createdor been moved out of Incoming.The following information may help to resolve the situation:The following packages have unmet dependencies:freenx : Depends: freenx-smb but it is not going to be installe E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.18:14
pedorBluesKaj: ok, thanks18:14
BluesKajQuest, sudo dpkg --configure -a , then sudo apt-get -f install18:16
Questdone that already18:16
ovidiu-florinQuest: did it do anything?18:16
BluesKajQuest, the drop to a tty and update and upgrade , then dist-upgrade18:17
Questno use18:17
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj recommend update to everybody :D18:17
Questnice idea. worth trying. let me see18:17
ovidiu-florinI'm an update addict.. I connect my android to the internet just to install updates.... :D18:18
mausschubserovidiu-florin how to?18:18
BluesKajgotta keep on top of the updates and upgrades18:18
ovidiu-florinImagine my reaction when I see the muon update gear in the panel :D18:18
ovidiu-florinmausschubser: press the restart button on the computer18:19
mausschubserand then?18:19
mausschubserfor grub?18:19
ovidiu-florinmausschubser: wait to see it the next time it starts kde starts18:19
ovidiu-florinif it still does not you will have to login on tty18:20
mausschubserkde doesn't start18:20
QuestBluesKaj,  ovidiu-florin  W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ppa/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found18:20
QuestW: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ppa/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found18:20
QuestW: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ppa/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found18:20
mausschubseri think18:20
Questafter most updateion ^18:20
ovidiu-florinif you don't remember your username... you'll have to login on recovery18:20
ovidiu-florinas root18:20
BluesKajQuest, dump those ppas18:21
Questwhats that18:21
QuestBluesKaj,  you mean ignore them18:22
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: the ppa is necessary18:22
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX#Installing_the_FreeNX_server_on_Ubuntu_Karmic_.289.10.29_and_higher18:22
mausschubserdammed, is there no easy to see how many accounts are registered on the machine?18:23
ovidiu-florinQuest: how many ppas does sudo apt-add-repository ppa:freenx-team add?18:23
FlameReaper-PCLooks like I just realized another clue to my problem:18:23
FlameReaper-PCapparenly a dbus-related issue18:23
ovidiu-florinmausschubser: there is, but you have to be logged in as someone in order to be able to see that18:23
BluesKajwell Quest at least comment them with a #18:24
Questovidiu-florin,  didnt noticed18:24
ovidiu-florinQuest: go check18:24
FlameReaper-PChttp://paste.kde.org/716942/ << Anyone can figure why?18:25
ovidiu-florinFlameReaper-PC: is dbus running?18:26
FlameReaper-PCovidiu-florin: It should, but this happens when I'm trying to log in.18:27
ovidiu-florinFlameReaper-PC: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=9857018:29
FlameReaper-PCovidiu-florin: The solution suggests SQL installation18:30
FlameReaper-PCbut how do I find that in the repos?18:30
BluesKajovidiu-florin, one should always comment ppas before upgrading to a new OS , then after the OS is finished installing , go to the ppa site and copy the ppa url and gpg key to your sources list for the new OS and update and upgarde18:30
ovidiu-florinthat's the last step18:30
FlameReaper-PCthe OP is running Gentoo though18:30
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ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: the ppas are disabled automaticaly. at least muon does that18:31
BluesKajnot always18:31
BluesKaji don';t trust muon :P18:31
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ovidiu-florinFlameReaper-PC: same problem. make sure kde-workspace kubuntu-desktop are isntalled18:32
FlameReaper-PCoh, another set of updates rolled in it seems18:32
FlameReaper-PCovidiu-florin: ... I don't think the latter is necessary18:33
FlameReaper-PCbesides, I have been running KDE without that18:33
ovidiu-florinFlameReaper-PC: does it work now?18:33
FlameReaper-PCovidiu-florin: I haven't tried yet, but a new set of updates just came in18:34
FlameReaper-PCI'm trying them now18:34
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: updates are done18:35
FlameReaperStill failed......18:35
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: 304 and 310 still apear as experimental18:36
ovidiu-florinand I have no ideea what current brings18:36
ovidiu-florinshould I try current?18:36
BluesKajovidiu-florin, current should be 30418:36
ovidiu-florinor current-updates?18:37
BluesKajinstall current18:37
ovidiu-florinFlameReaper: what is your problem? I've seem to missed when you first asked18:38
FlameReaperovidiu-florin: Upgraded to KDE 4.10.2, tried to login, but keep getting back to the login screen.18:39
Questovidiu-florin,  got pvt message?18:39
ovidiu-florinQuest: open muon and got to software sources18:39
FlameReaperAfter some probing a few minutes ago, http://paste.kde.org/716942/18:39
ovidiu-florinsee there how many ppas for freenx you have18:39
Questa minute18:40
ovidiu-florinFlameReaper: you should reset your kde settings18:40
ovidiu-florintry mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-old18:41
ovidiu-florinI'm not sure this is the best way to fix it18:41
FlameReaperovidiu-florin: Tried that, and failed18:42
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: I've got 304.43 but I'm stuck at 800x600 with 60,3Hz18:42
FlameReaperIn fact, tried more than once18:43
ovidiu-florinFlameReaper: that did not work?18:43
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: those are the only options available18:43
BluesKajovidiu-florin, kmenu>apps>settings>nvidia server18:44
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: and there?18:45
BluesKajovidiu-florin, xserver display configuration>resolution trhe drop doen should give some options18:49
BluesKajthe drop down18:49
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: it has only auto18:50
ovidiu-florinthat's the only option18:50
BluesKajclick on the little arrow18:50
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: it has only auto18:51
ovidiu-florinthere ar no resolutions there18:51
ovidiu-florinno other options available18:51
ovidiu-florinI know how it should look, it does not look like it should18:51
BluesKajovidiu-florin, what about systemsettings>display and monitor18:52
ovidiu-florinonly 800x60018:53
BluesKajand of course you rebooted after installing the new driver, right ovidiu-florin18:53
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: yes18:53
Questovidiu-florin,  now i cant login...(one problem after another) i enter password in kde GUI and a black screens comes and goes. again to login screen18:53
ovidiu-florinQuest: which kubuntu version?18:54
BluesKajthen try the experimental drivers , ovidiu-florin18:54
Questovidiu-florin,  12.01218:54
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: should i uninstall this one first?18:54
BluesKajno , the installer will autoremove the present driver18:55
Questovidiu-florin,  theres not way to get source list on command line?18:58
ovidiu-florinQuest: have you installed the KDE 4.10.2 update?18:58
Quest$ lightdm --version18:59
Questlightdm 1.4.018:59
BluesKajQuest, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list18:59
QuestOvermindDL1,  i have a fresh install18:59
QuestBluesKaj,  thnak18:59
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: IIRC not all ppas are stored there19:00
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FReaperQuest: Great, we aren't alone.19:00
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Questi dont have any ppa in sources.list http://pastebin.com/yz2Y5Vqe19:02
Questovidiu-florin, ^19:03
ovidiu-florinI've just upgraded to 12.10 and then installed the update.... and I haven't had that problem19:03
BluesKajovidiu-florin, /etc/apt/sources.list.d and you need folder access for that19:03
Questovidiu-florin,  you mean you did had that similer problem before the upgrade?19:04
ovidiu-florinQuest: no19:05
sohamhelo !19:05
Questovidiu-florin,  deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ppa/ubuntu precise main19:05
Questdeb http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ppa/ubuntu quantal main19:05
Questdeb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ppa/ubuntu quantal main19:05
Questdeb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ppa/ubuntu precise main19:05
Questovidiu-florin,  user1@server1:/etc/apt/sources.list.d$ cat freenx-team-ppa-quantal.list19:06
QuestBluesKaj,  good hint19:06
Questovidiu-florin,  so i have 2 x 2 = 4 lists.19:06
Questthats ok?19:06
ovidiu-florincomment the precise ones19:07
Quest12.10 is quantal?19:08
BluesKajand the freenx until after the install is done then get the applicable ppa for the new OS, Quest19:08
BluesKajcomment that is19:09
QuestBluesKaj,  sorry?19:09
Questsoham, ok19:09
sohamFreenx! you mean nx client for linux ?19:09
Questsoham,  freenx server19:09
sohamOh !19:10
QuestBluesKaj,  what did you just said?19:10
ovidiu-florinQuest: BluesKaj said to comment all ppas, finish your updates and the uncomment them and try to install again19:11
BluesKajuser1@server1:/etc/apt/sources.list.d$ cat freenx-team-ppa-quantal.list , quest19:11
BluesKajcomment the above19:12
BluesKajsoham, don't jus paste aurl and expect help , give us some details as to what the problem is first19:12
BluesKajovidiu-florin, mnot quite , because the ppas are no longer valid for that OS he nneds to upgrade the ppas from their sites first19:13
sohamI have none. I was trying to clarify whether Quest is talking about installing Freenx on Kubuntu. The opensource verion of Nomachine's NX remove connect system.19:13
Questovidiu-florin,  BluesKaj  you mean that theres not need of a ppa if I have updraged ? the repos for freenx will be auto added to my defualt sshipped repos?19:13
ovidiu-florinQuest: the ppas you have are not valid for your version of kubuntu19:14
ovidiu-florinyou need new ones19:14
Questovidiu-florin,  really?19:14
ovidiu-florinafter you update19:14
Questovidiu-florin,  were do  i get new ones?19:14
ovidiu-florinwhat exactly is your version?19:14
BluesKajno if the ppas aren't auto upgraded , most need to be upgraded to the new OS  ppa version19:14
Questi followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX19:14
Questand got the right repo fo r 12.1019:15
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: the quantal ones should be ok19:15
Questso coment ppa, upgrade, comment them, update, uncoment, install freenx19:16
sohamQuest:  are you using this ppa : http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ppa19:16
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: I have 304.48 (experimental) still stuck at 800x600. something is wrong here19:16
sohamIf you look here http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ppa/ubuntu/dists/, you can see there is nothing for Quantal or Raring.19:17
Questsoham, its http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ppa/ubuntu19:18
ovidiu-florinQuest: why not just go with this: http://www.nomachine.com/select-package.php?os=linux&id=1 and forget all this hassle?19:18
sohamoh  ! my bad, I thoght u r using Ubuntu.19:18
sohamu r on kubuntu rite ?19:18
ovidiu-florinI've used this and it's quite good19:18
BluesKajovidiu-florin , what kind of monitor ?19:18
ovidiu-florinsoham: this is #kubuntu19:19
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: Hosizon19:19
Questovidiu-florin,  freenx ==  NX free edition ?19:19
BluesKajlcd or crt ?19:19
Questsoham,  kubuntu19:19
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: LCD19:19
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: I think 20"19:19
ovidiu-florinQuest: the one from nomachine is free19:20
Questis it == to freenx19:20
ovidiu-florinI haven't used freenx19:20
Questwhich one you used?19:21
ovidiu-florinthe one from nomachine19:22
ovidiu-florinQuest: have you seen my link?19:22
sohamWhy do you want to use freenx ? May be a stupid question. If you are on Desktop, you can use plain Chrome browser to see some one elses desktop. "Chrome remote Desktop" extension can do a lot.19:22
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ovidiu-florinsoham: that is no different than teamviewer19:23
ovidiu-florineven teamviewer is better19:23
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ovidiu-florinbut NX forwards the Xserver directly19:23
ovidiu-florinno third party envolved19:23
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: any Ideeas?19:24
BluesKajovidiu-florin, what nvidia driver options do you have in muon ?19:24
BluesKajovidiu-florin, did you happen write an xorg.config file in the past ?19:25
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: http://paste.kde.org/716984/19:25
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: I tried once... like 4-5 years ago...19:25
ovidiu-florinbut I failed to make a good one19:26
Questovidiu-florin,  yes19:26
Questsoham,  hmm can that pass moust events and keyboard events?19:27
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: I haven't found a good tutorial to learn from at the time19:29
sohamThat is limited in many ways. but yes that can do that.19:29
ovidiu-florinok, I'm off19:31
ovidiu-florinBluesKaj: I'll try again on monday19:32
ovidiu-florinif you have any ideeas please send them to me19:32
BluesKajovidiu-florin, look in muon for nvidia , you see several optional drivers , but I think there's someting else wrong , you should have more resolution options19:33
Questis it easy to get the password of a sudoer if the system harddisk is given to someone?19:44
Questovidiu-florin,  do i need to dist-upgrade?20:46
Questwhile updating . i got W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ppa/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found.    i cannot install freenx. any solution?20:48
lenI'm upgrading my notebook from 12.04 to 12.10 and I'm at a point where I am supposed to answer yes or no to a question but I can't see what the question is?!20:51
lenI had the terminal drop down section open20:52
lenso it filled it in  with the curses box20:52
lenbut the box is way to small for it20:52
lenand it won't let me see the question I am supposed to answer20:53
OerHeksQuest, see https://launchpad.net/~freenx-team/+archive/ppa no quantal packages20:53
lenIt is at  "preparing to configure cpp"20:53
lenHow can I find out what the question is?20:53
OerHeksQuest, this ppa does have it > https://launchpad.net/~freenx-team/+archive/testing20:54
Queststill no20:55
Quest12.04 is precise?20:55
lenIf I hadn't had the terminal arrow drop-down open would it have asked in a seperate window?20:56
lenGuess I won't use that option anymore20:56
lenI like to see the additional info though20:56
OerHeks12.04 is precise yes20:56
lenNot sure what to do now.20:56
lenI can either kill the whole upgrade process and hope I can restart20:57
lenor just guess at the answer and hope I'm right.20:57
lenAny other options?20:57
OerHeksI understand your issue, len, not sure hitting ESC would stop the upgrade20:57
lenHave you ever had this happen before?20:58
lenI never have20:58
lenIt is really frustrating20:58
OerHeksNo, not for a long time, window ghosting20:58
lenDo you think if I'd had the Terminal output box closed20:59
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lenit would have asked in a seperate dialog?20:59
lenor just stuck there20:59
OerHeksehh you started upgrade tru terminal ?20:59
lennot asking at all20:59
lenNormal gui upgrade21:00
lenyou can press a little down arrow21:00
lento get terminal output21:00
lenin a little box21:00
leninside the gui21:00
OerHeksah oke, the hidden messages21:00
OerHeksclosing that, would do noharm21:01
lenand installer tried to jam whole blue curses box in there21:01
lenand only a little of it shows21:01
lencan only see the yes or no21:01
OerHeksalt tab could not bring it forward?21:01
OerHeks* in front21:01
lenI don't think you understand the  situation21:02
lennormal gui screen21:02
lenbut there has always been a option21:02
lento open a little output viewer inside the gui21:02
lenand it wedged the whole blue curses screen question in there21:03
lenHit esc and now it is rolling the whole thing back21:05
lenI'll try again with the terminal window closed, but I really really shouldn't have to do that21:05
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lenI like seeing the  extra output about what is going on because sometimes it helpful to let you know things you should attend to after upgrade.21:06
lenAm I the only one who uses it or something so bug slipped past testing.21:07
lenIt starts out closed21:07
lenIt didn't roll back.  It is continuing.21:08
lenDon't know if it chose Yes or No to the unknown question21:08
lenWhat normally happpens if you press Esc instead of answering Yes or No?21:09
lenGet default option?21:09
lenor skip configuring the package altogether?21:10
OerHeksdefault option, yes i presume21:13
OerHeksmost of the time it would be advisable, butt i am not sure what stage you were at that point.21:13
lenI was at preparing to configure cpp21:14
lenWonder what it would have been asking about at that stage21:14
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Questit looks like freenx dont have support for 12.10 . what alternatives can i have? i want the client to be on linux as well on windows?21:18
lenWhy not use the packages on nomachine's site?21:23
lenOr are you saying you couldn't get  those to work?21:25
lenI don't see a version specifically for 12.10 on there  site, but it is self contained and installs it's own copies of libs, so I think all the debian-based ones are basically the same and the version for 12.04 should still work21:26
lenHave you found otherwise?21:27
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Questmy kde login gets to a console after password type. then returns again to login  kde screen. i cant login. what can be done? should i rm /home/user/.kde  for afresh start?21:34
yofelQuest: first check your ~/.xsession-errors for what went wrong21:35
Questyofel,  http://pastebin.com/ftqA1RrX21:38
yofelHome directory /home/user1 not ours.21:38
yofelas what user did you try to login?21:39
Questbut i sudo killall kde or something once21:42
Questhow to reconfigure kde?21:42
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yofelQuest: moving ~/.kde out of the way should do that. Are the UID/GID for /home/user1/ correct?21:48
Questyofel,  dont know. how to check?21:51
yofelif you run 'ls -lhad  /home/user1/', what user is that owned by?21:52
rsawyou could always sudo dpkg-reconfigure packagename21:55
Questdrwx------ 18 user1 user1 4.0K Apr  6 02:40 /home/user1/21:57
Questrsaw,  Its fruitles21:57
yofelQuest: I fear I need to go now, someone else might know something22:00
rsawQuest: why so?22:02
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bjrohanI had placed on my desktop a note which contained notes. I changed my desktop setup, and lost said note. Where would the notes written on said wideget be stored?22:34
bjrohanThe widget was called Notes22:34
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