| Taggnostr | hello | 00:53 |
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| Taggnostr | I just got a new pc with a 128GB ssd and a normal hd, and was wondering what would be the best way to divide the partitions between the two | 00:55 |
| Taggnostr | do you have any suggestion? | 00:56 |
| DarthFrog | Taggnostr: Partition the SSD into two partitions, one about 15 gig or so for the system, the rest for your home directory. | 01:06 |
| DarthFrog | Taggnostr: Mount the HD into your home directory and use it for static storage. | 01:07 |
| Taggnostr | DarthFrog, what about the swap partition? | 01:07 |
| DarthFrog | Taggnostr: Do not put your swap partition on the SSD. How much RAM do you have? | 01:07 |
| Taggnostr | 8GB | 01:08 |
| DarthFrog | You don't need a swap partition with that much RAM. | 01:08 |
| DarthFrog | Also: http://apcmag.com/how-to-maximise-ssd-performance-with-linux.htm | 01:08 |
| Taggnostr | thanks | 01:08 |
| Taggnostr | I was also reading https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives | 01:08 |
| Taggnostr | DarthFrog, is the swap partition completely unnecessary with 8GB of ram, or is it better to still create it (on the normal HD)? | 01:13 |
| DarthFrog | Up to you and it depends upon how you use your computer. | 01:14 |
| DarthFrog | Personally, my attitude is if I ever need to use swap, I need more RAM. :-) | 01:15 |
| Taggnostr | what happens if I run out of ram and I don't have a swap partition? if it's safer to have a swap partition I don't mind to use a few GB from the normal HD for it | 01:15 |
| DarthFrog | Swap was useful back in the days of low RAM machines and high RAM cost. Those days of expensive resources are over. | 01:15 |
| DarthFrog | Taggnostr: As I said, it's up to you. The resource cost of a swap partition on today's monster HDs is trivial. | 01:16 |
| Taggnostr | I'm not planning to use 8GB of RAM constantly (I've been living with 2GB so far), but it might be possible to have peaks over 8GB if I start running a couple VMs while doing other things | 01:17 |
| DarthFrog | If you're running virtual machines, then you need real RAM, not swap. | 01:18 |
| Taggnostr | also it seemed to me that the swap was used even if there was free ram, is that not the case? (or do I have to configure it somehow to keep everything in ram?) | 01:18 |
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| Taggnostr | for example now my pc (the one with 2GiB) reports 1.2GiB for the RAM and 0.5GiB for the swap | 01:19 |
| DarthFrog | With 2 GB of RAM, I'd have a swap partition. | 01:19 |
| Taggnostr | what's the difference between kubuntu 32bit or 64bit? why is 32bit recommended? | 01:38 |
| DarthFrog | Because it works on all systems, 32bit and 64bit. There's no killer advantage to using 64bit, unless you're doing lots of number crunching. | 01:42 |
| DarthFrog | If you install 6bit, you'll also likely need to install the ia32-libs for some backward compatibility. Eg. Steam requires 32 bit support. | 01:43 |
| Taggnostr | ok | 01:48 |
| Taggnostr | will kubuntu ask me to do the partitioning when I boot the ISO from usb? | 01:49 |
| tsimpson | it asks if you choose manual partitioning, and it will ask for confirmation with the automatic partitioning anyway | 02:33 |
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| Taggnostr | tsimpson, ok | 02:51 |
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| dav7x | Hi everyone! Does anyone know what are the plans for the backporting of future major kde releases to kubuntu 12.04 (e.g. kde 4.11, 4.12)? | 05:03 |
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| FlameReaper-PC | Has anyone had a problem logging in after updating to KDE 4.10.2? | 06:36 |
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| kepler | evening all! anyone know how to set the title of the current terminal tab, via the terminal? | 07:03 |
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| lordievader | Good morning | 07:43 |
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| Sarger001 | How do i adjust window bounds? | 08:30 |
| Sarger001 | I've moved the panel to the top and it always overlaps my window | 08:31 |
| Sarger001 | i have a screenshot | 08:31 |
| Sarger001 | http://i.imgur.com/svB7JM0.png | 08:32 |
| Sarger001 | notice the bar up top | 08:32 |
| Sarger001 | so how do i adjust how far a window can maximise up to? | 08:33 |
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| FlameReaper-PC | Anyone had any problems logging in after updating to KDE 4.10.2? | 08:35 |
| FlameReaper-PC | Also, is there any support channel for Linux Mint? | 08:35 |
| Unit193 | !mint | 08:35 |
| ubottu | Linux Mint is not a supported derivative of Ubuntu. Please seek support in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org | 08:35 |
| FlameReaper-PC | Thanks. | 08:35 |
| Sarger001 | DW i figured it out mysekf | 08:36 |
| Sarger001 | *myself | 08:36 |
| Sarger001 | I used to think kubuntu looked ugly and childish, it's starting to grow on me :D | 08:38 |
| FlameReaper-PC | Hmm, back to this: [16:35] <FlameReaper-PC> Anyone had any problems logging in after updating to KDE 4.10.2? | 08:39 |
| Taggnostr | I'm installing kubuntu on a new pc with 120GB SSD + 1TB HD and I heard that setting up LVM is better, but I don't know much about it. Now there's an option that says "use entire disk and set up LVM", should I select this? | 08:56 |
| Tm_T | Taggnostr: have anyone explained why LVM would be better? | 08:56 |
| Taggnostr | "because it's more flexible and it's difficult to add it later if you didn't do it at the beginning"? | 08:57 |
| Tm_T | indeed | 08:58 |
| Taggnostr | IIUC I should make a 200MB partition for /boot on the SSD, use the rest of the SSD as a second partition and the whole HD as a third partition | 08:59 |
| Tm_T | Taggnostr: automatic partitioning wouldn't do it like that AFAIK | 09:00 |
| Taggnostr | I also read that I should align the SSD. Will I be able to do that if I select the "guided installation" or should I select manual instead? | 09:00 |
| Taggnostr | before finding about LVM I was going to have 20GB for / + 100GB for /home on the SSD, but now with LVM I'm not sure anymore what I should do | 09:02 |
| Taggnostr | Tm_T, any suggestion about what to do? | 09:08 |
| Tm_T | Taggnostr: hmm, perhaps what you just described, except perhaps larger root, and home with LVM | 09:14 |
| Tm_T | then you can extend home to use part or entirely the larger disk you have | 09:14 |
| Taggnostr | on this pc I have 2 HDs and I mounted the second one as /home/data (the /home is on the first one) | 09:15 |
| Taggnostr | how will it work with LVM? | 09:15 |
| Tm_T | LVM basicly means that you can add and extend partitions easily | 09:16 |
| Tm_T | that's pretty much all the benefit for you in ordinary use | 09:16 |
| Taggnostr | what I know about LVM is that is some kind of layer that will allow you to see a partition as a single thing even if the data are saved on different disks | 09:17 |
| Taggnostr | but here I want to keep the SSD and the HD separated | 09:17 |
| Taggnostr | so I think I will have to do 3 physical partition (/boot, one for the SSD and one for the HD) | 09:18 |
| Taggnostr | but then I'm not sure what to do next | 09:18 |
| Taggnostr | sto logical partition on the SSD partition for / and /home? | 09:19 |
| Taggnostr | s/sto/two/ | 09:19 |
| Tm_T | yup | 09:20 |
| Taggnostr | ok | 09:21 |
| Taggnostr | when I do the manual configuration, there are "primary" and "logical" as partition type, is "logical" related to LVM? | 09:22 |
| Tm_T | Taggnostr: nope | 09:25 |
| Taggnostr | now I was trying "guided with LVM" and I think it started doing the partitioning on its own... | 09:26 |
| Tm_T | yes it does | 09:27 |
| Sarger001 | http://i.imgur.com/xaBt7Pf.jpg How's my desktop? | 09:53 |
| administrator_ | can't open this pictrue!! | 09:54 |
| lordievader | Looks good Sarger001, though I would like to point you to #kubuntu-offtopic. Unless it is a picture of a problem ;) | 09:54 |
| administrator_ | i agree! | 09:55 |
| Sarger001 | OK Gone there | 09:55 |
| FlameReaper-PC | Does anyone here update to KDE 4.10.2? | 09:57 |
| lordievader | Hmm seems my mirror is outdated... | 10:00 |
| lordievader | FlameReaper-PC: I'll check it out in the afternoon, see how the update goes. | 10:01 |
| Tm_T | FlameReaper-PC: yes | 10:01 |
| FlameReaper-PC | lordievader: Ok thanks. It seems here the update on my part broke in some way, it keeps kicking me back to the login screen no matter what I try. | 10:01 |
| FlameReaper-PC | I was able to start Plasma Desktop manually by hijacking an LXDE session though. | 10:02 |
| Tm_T | FlameReaper-PC: check ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.0.log for hints what goes wrong when logging in | 10:03 |
| FlameReaper-PC | I'll retry that. | 10:04 |
| Sarger001 | Is there a launchpad style dashboard for kubuntu? Really need one | 10:09 |
| lordievader | That's odd, it doesn't give me the update to 4.10.2. Oh well I'll take a look at it later... | 10:10 |
| FlameReaper | lordievader: Are you updating via the Kubuntu Backports? | 10:12 |
| FlameReaper | By the way | 10:12 |
| FlameReaper | Tm_T: http://pastebin.com/jYEQxvQd << Xorg.0.log | 10:12 |
| FlameReaper | and http://pastebin.com/cXKvuPrR << .xsession-errors | 10:13 |
| FlameReaper | from what I understand there is no error message given | 10:13 |
| FlameReaper | it just kicks me back to the login screen | 10:13 |
| Tm_T | FlameReaper: uh, is that your entire .xsession-errors? | 10:28 |
| FlameReaper | Tm_T: Yes | 10:30 |
| Mamarok | that is the default value, let me see if I find where to change that | 11:30 |
| Mamarok | nvm, wrong channel | 11:31 |
| Tm_T | FlameReaper-PC: any luck with it? | 12:00 |
| FlameReaper | Tm_T: Not a single sign of it. | 12:04 |
| FlameReaper | Tried a lot including removing the .kde folder | 12:05 |
| FlameReaper | several times | 12:05 |
| FlameReaper | reinstalling the entire KDE packages, but no downgrading | 12:05 |
| FlameReaper | as said earlier, I was able to get to a KDE desktop by hijacking an LXDE session | 12:07 |
| FlameReaper | suggesting something might be wrong on the login part | 12:07 |
| FlameReaper | I just don't know where to start looking | 12:07 |
| Tm_T | FlameReaper: what you mean by "hijacking" in this case? | 12:13 |
| manuel_ | gesellschaft mit beschrnkter hoffnung | 12:14 |
| Tm_T | !de | manuel_ | 12:17 |
| ubottu | manuel_: In den meisten Ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuche bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Einfach "/join #ubuntu-de" eingeben. Danke für Dein Verständnis! | 12:17 |
| lordievader | Hey FlameReaper, no I'm running Raring, didn't think it would be neccessary to add the backports. | 12:19 |
| Mamarok | FlameReaper: and you are sure you have all kde-runtime packages installed? | 12:20 |
| Mamarok | lordievader: the backports are not yet activated, this will only happen after the release | 12:20 |
| lordievader | Mamarok: Exactly, that is what I thought. However in my Raring install I do not get the update to 4.10.2 | 12:21 |
| Mamarok | lordievader: because they are not done yet? | 12:21 |
| FlameReaper-PC | Mamarok: How do I make sure of that? | 12:22 |
| FlameReaper-PC | Tm_T: I logged in using an LXDE session | 12:22 |
| lordievader | Mamarok: Ok, if that is the reason. But quoting from the Kubuntu website: "Packages for the release of KDE SC 4.10.2 are available for Kubuntu 12.10, 12.04 and our Raring development release." | 12:23 |
| FlameReaper-PC | then killed the panel, window manager and desktop, and ran the following manually: | 12:23 |
| Mamarok | oh, let me check that out, then | 12:23 |
| FlameReaper-PC | Kwin, plasma-desktop, and krunner (for ALT+F2) | 12:24 |
| Mamarok | FlameReaper-PC: open the package manager and check if you have all the lsited kde-runtime packages installed | 12:24 |
| BluesKaj | "Morning all | 12:24 |
| FlameReaper-PC | Mamarok: I was upgrading, so I don't really know what I would miss | 12:26 |
| FlameReaper-PC | and that while I can start a plasma desktop session manually it's the login that is giving me problems | 12:27 |
| FlameReaper-PC | anyway I will be AFK for a while for dinner, will be back later | 12:27 |
| Mamarok | FlameReaper-PC: the problem is that you don't have all packages, that announcement was psoted too early | 12:28 |
| Mamarok | so you have an incomplete upgrade | 12:28 |
| FlameReaper-PC | Ah | 12:28 |
| FlameReaper-PC | Mamarok: so that means I upgraded with an uncomplete list of packages? | 12:29 |
| smartboyhw | Mamarok, who was the person having problems | 12:29 |
| Mamarok | smartboyhw: FlameReaper-PC | 12:30 |
| smartboyhw | FlameReaper-PC, hello | 12:30 |
| FlameReaper-PC | smartboyhw: Hello | 12:30 |
| smartboyhw | FlameReaper-PC, the strange thing is that when we tested internally people reported that the DE is working okay. | 12:30 |
| smartboyhw | FlameReaper-PC, it might be that the packages aren't copied fully to the Backports PPA then | 12:31 |
| FlameReaper-PC | Ah | 12:31 |
| smartboyhw | FlameReaper-PC, let us check please:) | 12:31 |
| FlameReaper-PC | Probably I upgraded too early? :P | 12:31 |
| smartboyhw | And sorry for breaking your desktop:( | 12:31 |
| Mamarok | FlameReaper-PC: yes, unfortunately | 12:32 |
| FlameReaper-PC | smartboyhw: It's all right, I'm just curious | 12:32 |
| smartboyhw | FlameReaper-PC, yes. | 12:32 |
| smartboyhw | FlameReaper-PC, no worries | 12:32 |
| smartboyhw | We will get it fixed for you:) | 12:32 |
| FlameReaper-PC | :D | 12:32 |
| smartboyhw | FlameReaper-PC: Just a confirmation: You are running 12.10 right? | 12:33 |
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| lordievader | FlameReaper-PC: You around? What version of Kubuntu are you running? | 12:51 |
| lordievader | It would help us a lot :) | 12:51 |
| smartboyhw | FlameReaper-PC lordievader upgraded perfectly... | 13:11 |
| lordievader | FlameReaper-PC: In Quantal, lets also mention that. | 13:12 |
| FlameReaper-PC | smartboyhw: Yes, I am on 12.10 | 13:29 |
| smartboyhw | FlameReaper-PC: OK | 13:30 |
| smartboyhw | lordievader found it no problem | 13:30 |
| smartboyhw | So try again maybe:( | 13:30 |
| FlameReaper-PC | smartboyhw: Acknowledged. | 13:30 |
| lordievader | FlameReaper-PC: How did you try to update? | 13:30 |
| FlameReaper-PC | lordievader: The usual apt-get upgrade | 13:30 |
| FlameReaper-PC | because I already have the PPA in my system | 13:31 |
| lordievader | FlameReaper-PC: It might be that apt found a few packages had a too big influence and kept them back, perhap you can try to update with apt-get dist-upgrade. | 13:31 |
| FlameReaper-PC | lordievader: Doesn't seem to be the case, the apt log shows a clean output, except for this one: | 13:34 |
| FlameReaper-PC | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libqtcore4_4%3a4.8.3+dfsg-0ubuntu3.2~ubuntu12.10~ppa1_i386.deb (--unpack): | 13:34 |
| FlameReaper-PC | trying to overwrite shared '/etc/xdg/Trolltech.conf', which is different from other instances of package libqtcore4:i386 | 13:34 |
| smartboyhw | libqtcore? Hmm | 13:34 |
| FlameReaper-PC | Which I issued a dpkg --force-all later on | 13:35 |
| smartboyhw | FlameReaper-PC, and it didn't work right? | 13:36 |
| smartboyhw | Oh no, I know nothing about Qt... | 13:36 |
| FlameReaper-PC | smartboyhw: I managed to force it to install, but I don't really think it impacts much to the problem I currently have | 13:36 |
| FlameReaper-PC | since I can run plasma-desktop | 13:36 |
| FlameReaper-PC | but not login into it. | 13:37 |
| smartboyhw | FlameReaper, so you can't login. | 13:37 |
| FlameReaper-PC | smartboyhw: Yes. The only way I can get to plasma-desktop is by running LXDE, | 13:37 |
| FlameReaper-PC | killing the window manager, panel and desktop | 13:37 |
| FlameReaper-PC | and replacing it with KDE's. | 13:38 |
| Walex | FlameReaper-PC: that means your Display Manager (KDM, GDM, LightDM, ...) is not configured to offer you the option of starting a different Desktop Environment | 13:48 |
| FlameReaper-PC | Walex: Err, no, that isn't it | 13:49 |
| FlameReaper-PC | Every display manager I use has KDE listed in it | 13:49 |
| FlameReaper-PC | I just cannot log in when I choose it | 13:49 |
| FlameReaper-PC | it keeps kicking me back to the display manager | 13:49 |
| Walex | FlameReaper-PC: ahhhh that's quite a different thing. You can login, but the startup of KDE fails, a different thing. | 13:49 |
| FlameReaper-PC | Yes | 13:50 |
| FlameReaper-PC | Walex: I can start the desktop manually while in another session though | 13:50 |
| Walex | FlameReaper-PC: instead of KDE, choose "xterm" or "fallback" or "failsafe" then you get an empty screen with a single 'xterm' and then type 'startkde' and check if it works that way | 13:51 |
| FlameReaper-PC | Walex: Tried that too, but I can't | 13:51 |
| FlameReaper-PC | KDE doesn't have an "Xterm" option, but I suppose "Failsafe" is it | 13:52 |
| FlameReaper-PC | Oh yeah I should note this: | 13:52 |
| Walex | FlameReaper-PC: that should be good. | 13:52 |
| FlameReaper-PC | I can't log in to that either. | 13:52 |
| smartboyhw | FlameReaper, it might not be your problem. We have some applications that aren't copied into the Backports PPA (strangely) | 13:52 |
| Walex | FlameReaper-PC: then you have a really screwed up Desktop Manager configuration. | 13:53 |
| smartboyhw | FlameReaper-PC: ^ | 13:53 |
| FlameReaper-PC | Walex: Thing is, I don't get how it could be that screwed up when all I did was an upgrade... | 13:53 |
| Walex | FlameReaper-PC: try to have a look into '~/.xsession-errors' that should tell you something | 13:53 |
| FlameReaper-PC | Uh | 13:54 |
| FlameReaper-PC | Xsession errors didn't give me much | 13:54 |
| FlameReaper | [18:12] <FlameReaper> Tm_T: http://pastebin.com/jYEQxvQd << Xorg.0.log | 13:54 |
| FlameReaper | [18:13] <FlameReaper> and http://pastebin.com/cXKvuPrR << .xsession-errors | 13:54 |
| Walex | FlameReaper-PC: anyhow what is your current default Desktop Manager? In '/etc/X11/default-desktop-manager'? Probably KDM from what you say. | 13:55 |
| FlameReaper-PC | FlameReaper: Yes, it is KDM. | 13:56 |
| FlameReaper-PC | However, it is the same when I use other display managers. | 13:56 |
| FlameReaper-PC | Tried to log in, screen goes blank a while and then I'm back at the display manager | 13:56 |
| Walex | FlameReaper-PC: then perhaps there is some error in you ~/.xession' script | 13:57 |
| FlameReaper-PC | Is there such a thing? | 13:58 |
| FlameReaper-PC | ls gives me these: .xine/ .xinput.d/ .xsession-errors .xsession-errors.old | 13:58 |
| Jeena | Hi, something weird happened, after todays update my display settings widget in the system settings is gone, how can I get it back? | 14:05 |
| smartboyhw | Jeena, which release are you in and do you use the Backports PPA? | 14:05 |
| Jeena | hm good questions ^^ how can I find that out? I just installed kubuntu from the website 2 month ago | 14:06 |
| lordievader | Jeena: lsb_release -a | 14:08 |
| Jeena | jeena@Dipsy:~$ lsb_release -a | 14:08 |
| Jeena | No LSB modules are available. | 14:08 |
| Jeena | Distributor ID: Ubuntu | 14:08 |
| Jeena | Description: Ubuntu 12.10 | 14:08 |
| Jeena | Release: 12.10 | 14:08 |
| Jeena | Codename: quantal | 14:08 |
| FloodBotK1 | Jeena: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. | 14:08 |
| smartboyhw | Jeena, did you enable the Backports PPA? | 14:09 |
| Jeena | I am not sure how to check if I did. | 14:09 |
| smartboyhw | Jeena, paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to pate.ubuntu.com and give us the link | 14:10 |
| yofel | Jeena: is kde-workspace-randr installed? | 14:10 |
| yofel | if not please install it, that should bring the display settings back | 14:11 |
| Jeena | http://paste.ubuntu.com/5679828/ | 14:12 |
| Jeena | ok I will try | 14:12 |
| liudas | i wonder when mouse cursom theme will change correctly? i mean: if you download any additional cursor theme and choose it - only half of theme works. i know already work around with conficuring, or to be more precise - only triggering the cursor defaults to make downloaded cursor theme to work correctly, but i found only kubuntu distro with this "king of bug". and i noticed that this faulty cursor heme behavior could be found at least from kubuntu 11. | 14:12 |
| liudas | 10 maybe.. | 14:12 |
| Jeena | oh yofel wohoo! they're back! | 14:13 |
| Jeena | thanks so much :) | 14:13 |
| liudas | so why is it so? does it has something sofisticated to fix, or i am the only one who finds it? :) | 14:13 |
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| ovidiu-florin | hello world :D | 15:14 |
| ovidiu-florin | I've tried and tried again | 15:14 |
| ovidiu-florin | I can't get this damn thing to work properlly | 15:14 |
| ovidiu-florin | lordievader: are you here? | 15:14 |
| ovidiu-florin | I've tried to uninstall and reinstall my NVIDIA drivers because the refresh rate can't get over 60Hz | 15:16 |
| ovidiu-florin | I got a massive headake because I tried to work on this thing so please be patient with me | 15:16 |
| ovidiu-florin | I've reinstalled the driver. | 15:17 |
| ovidiu-florin | Now I'm stuch at 800x600 with 61Hz | 15:17 |
| ovidiu-florin | stuck* | 15:17 |
| ovidiu-florin | I have Kubuntu 12.04 with backports | 15:17 |
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| lordievader | ovidiu-florin: Ai, that doesn't sound good. | 15:22 |
| ovidiu-florin | I'm really frustrated | 15:22 |
| ovidiu-florin | I can't do any work | 15:22 |
| lordievader | ovidiu-florin: I can understand that. What driver do you currently have installed? | 15:23 |
| ovidiu-florin | nvidia current | 15:23 |
| ovidiu-florin | I've just installed it again... | 15:24 |
| ovidiu-florin | now I'm stuck at maximum 640x480 with 55Hz | 15:24 |
| lordievader | And your card is supported by this driver? | 15:24 |
| ovidiu-florin | what's wrong with this thing? | 15:24 |
| ovidiu-florin | why would it be presented in the Aditional Drivers if it would not be compatible? | 15:24 |
| lordievader | I'm just asking... Does nvidia-xconfig (or however it is called) complain about anything? | 15:25 |
| ovidiu-florin | is that a command? | 15:25 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin, run , glxinfo | grep OpenGL , the vendor string is the driver in use | 15:26 |
| lordievader | ovidiu-florin: It's an application, but I'm not sure if I have the right name. | 15:26 |
| lordievader | Ah BluesKaj, great you're here, you have much more experience with nVidia ;) | 15:26 |
| BluesKaj | nvidia-xconfig writes an xorg.conf file using the driver parameters and monitor you have installed , it's really not needed | 15:28 |
| ovidiu-florin | What can I try? | 15:30 |
| lordievader | Was it nvidia-xsettings then? The settings application is the one I mean. | 15:31 |
| ovidiu-florin | nvidia-xconfig | 15:31 |
| ovidiu-florin | aaa | 15:31 |
| ovidiu-florin | nvidia-settings | 15:31 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin, did you see my suggestion above? | 15:32 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: I saw it, I don't have glxinfo | 15:32 |
| ovidiu-florin | what's the package name? | 15:33 |
| BluesKaj | we need to know whether the nvidia driver is actually in use, install mesa-utils for glxinfo to work | 15:33 |
| ovidiu-florin | OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation | 15:34 |
| ovidiu-florin | GeForce GT 220/PCIe/SSe2 | 15:35 |
| ovidiu-florin | version string: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 295.40 | 15:35 |
| BluesKaj | that's the nvidia-current driver for your card , what kubuntu version ovidiu-florin ? | 15:36 |
| ovidiu-florin | 12.04 with backports | 15:36 |
| BluesKaj | the 295.40 is an old driver | 15:36 |
| BluesKaj | ok 12.04 , that be the current driver alright | 15:37 |
| BluesKaj | could be | 15:37 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin, let me do some checking , I think a more current driver is available , I don't trust jockey to install the drivers correctly\ | 15:38 |
| ovidiu-florin | neighter do I | 15:39 |
| ovidiu-florin | that's why I wanted to ask you, could I fix it from CLI? | 15:39 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin, I'm speaking from personal experience | 15:39 |
| FlameReaper | 310.44 is the latest. | 15:39 |
| ovidiu-florin | it's beta | 15:39 |
| BluesKaj | FlameReaper, for 12.04 ? | 15:39 |
| ovidiu-florin | is it stable? | 15:39 |
| FlameReaper | That's what I got at the NVIDIA site | 15:40 |
| BluesKaj | don't think so | 15:40 |
| ovidiu-florin | I saw it available in aditional drivers | 15:40 |
| ovidiu-florin | but it's beta | 15:40 |
| ovidiu-florin | I treid to install it... it crashed everything... | 15:40 |
| ovidiu-florin | I had to uninstall everithing NVIDIA | 15:40 |
| FlameReaper | I'd look at the terminal log for apt | 15:40 |
| ovidiu-florin | and reinstall current | 15:40 |
| FlameReaper | and see where it went wrong | 15:40 |
| FlameReaper | as for my case, the driver doesn't like the new kernels | 15:41 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: I said that I don't trust it because It crashed my system many times | 15:42 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin, ok I have the 310.32 driver installed , even tho the recommended linux driver for my card is the 310.44 as well , and I'm running kubuntu 13.04 .. the experimentals aren't very stable or smooth | 15:46 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: what do you recommend that I do? | 15:48 |
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| BluesKaj | ovd recommend you try the 304 driver , so remove the nvidia-current , but make sure you update and upgrade first , you may have an upgrade in the repos that accomplishes the same thing I'm about tom suggest | 15:48 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin,^ | 15:49 |
| ovidiu-florin | ok | 15:50 |
| ovidiu-florin | I'm up to date( apt-get update && apt-get upgrade) | 15:51 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: is "apt-get remove --purge nvidia-current" ok to uninstall? | 15:52 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin, ok sudo dpkg -r nvidia-current , (I don't use pat-get with drivers) | 15:52 |
| BluesKaj | apt | 15:53 |
| ovidiu-florin | why? | 15:53 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin, then sudo dpkg -i nvidia-304 | 15:53 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: no such file or directory | 15:54 |
| BluesKaj | sometimes apt-get leaves config files that interfere with the API and creates a mismatch | 15:54 |
| BluesKaj | bummer | 15:55 |
| ovidiu-florin | can't isntall | 15:55 |
| ovidiu-florin | install | 15:55 |
| BluesKaj | ok hang on | 15:55 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin, ok try, sudo dpkg -i nvidia-310 | 15:58 |
| ovidiu-florin | same thing | 15:59 |
| BluesKaj | then reboot , do you have all the repositories in your package manager enabled ? like canonical partners etc | 16:00 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: from what I know dpkg can only install from files | 16:00 |
| ovidiu-florin | and only apt can install from repos | 16:01 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: yes, they are all enabled, exept fot the cd-rom ones | 16:02 |
| ovidiu-florin | I rebooted, and my system froze durring booting up | 16:02 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin, ok nm , use ap-get then , but it's the same thing ..I used dpkg to install my drivers and it worked just fine , | 16:02 |
| ovidiu-florin | this keeps happening If I have no driver installed | 16:03 |
| ovidiu-florin | I'll boot in recovery | 16:03 |
| BluesKaj | tty | 16:04 |
| ovidiu-florin | it froze, there's no tty available | 16:04 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin, odd you don't have any driver packages in jockey | 16:06 |
| BluesKaj | ovid reboot then drop to the tty | 16:06 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin,^ | 16:06 |
| ovidiu-florin | ok, I'm in tty | 16:08 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin, have you done any dist-upgrades lately ? | 16:09 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: there is no nvidia-304 or nvidia-310 only nvidia-experimental-304 | 16:09 |
| ovidiu-florin | no | 16:09 |
| ovidiu-florin | I installed 12.04 and sticked with it | 16:09 |
| BluesKaj | then do one | 16:10 |
| ovidiu-florin | to 12.10? | 16:10 |
| BluesKaj | it just upgrades your packages , not the OS | 16:10 |
| BluesKaj | and the desktop | 16:10 |
| ovidiu-florin | sudo do-release-upgrade, right? | 16:11 |
| BluesKaj | no! | 16:11 |
| BluesKaj | if you want to stay on 12.04 just do dist-upgrade , it upgrades you packages and the latest kernel for your OS...it does NOT upgrade to next OS | 16:12 |
| ovidiu-florin | aaaaaa | 16:12 |
| ovidiu-florin | now I understand | 16:12 |
| ovidiu-florin | there is no command dist-upgrade | 16:13 |
| BluesKaj | that's why dpkg didn't have the drivers availabl;e | 16:13 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade | 16:14 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: nothing to be done. it says that it's up to date | 16:15 |
| ovidiu-florin | should I pastebin the sources.list? | 16:15 |
| ovidiu-florin | it's the default one with all enabled exept the cd-rom's | 16:15 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin, then you have the LTS only packages setting enabled in your package manager | 16:15 |
| ovidiu-florin | can I remoce that from tty? | 16:16 |
| ovidiu-florin | remove | 16:16 |
| BluesKaj | perhaps , but i don't know the commnads | 16:16 |
| ovidiu-florin | ok, I'll startx | 16:16 |
| BluesKaj | you should be on the nouveau driver when you get to the desktop | 16:17 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: vendor strig now says: VMware, Inc. | 16:18 |
| ovidiu-florin | string | 16:18 |
| === DouglasKAway is now known as DouglasK | ||
| BluesKaj | oh , now he tells me ...VMware , wonderf ul news | 16:19 |
| ovidiu-florin | this is not a virtual machine | 16:19 |
| dragan | my kubuntu 13.04 changed time zone to utc by itself | 16:20 |
| ovidiu-florin | I have VMware installed on this system because I cross compile with windows and I have windows in a virtual machine | 16:20 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin, go into muon and disable the LTS only option | 16:20 |
| BluesKaj | I have to go for a whaile BBL | 16:21 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: Software Sources -> Updates -> Release upgrade -> normal releases | 16:21 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade still has nothing to do | 16:22 |
| IdleOne | sudo apt-get do-release-upgrade | 16:22 |
| dragan | i lefted home and when i returned it changed time adn added utc under the clock | 16:22 |
| IdleOne | !dist-upgrade | 16:22 |
| ubottu | A dist-upgrade will install new dependencies for packages already installed and may remove packages if they are no longer needed. This will not bring you to a new release of Ubuntu, see !upgrade if that is your intention. | 16:22 |
| ovidiu-florin | IdleOne: that command is invalid | 16:24 |
| ovidiu-florin | there is no option "do-release-upgrade for apt-get | 16:24 |
| IdleOne | sorry | 16:24 |
| IdleOne | there is | 16:24 |
| IdleOne | sudo do-release-upgrade | 16:25 |
| IdleOne | no apt-get | 16:25 |
| ovidiu-florin | that's something else | 16:25 |
| IdleOne | ovidiu-florin: you're right :) | 16:25 |
| ovidiu-florin | that upgrades my OS | 16:25 |
| IdleOne | what are you trying to do? | 16:25 |
| jprox | dragan: right click on clock, select "Analog clock settings", click OK should go back the way you want it. | 16:25 |
| ovidiu-florin | upgrade my packages but not my OS | 16:26 |
| ovidiu-florin | how do I remove the only LTS updates from muon? | 16:26 |
| jprox | dragan: doen't actually change timezone of computer, just widget display. | 16:26 |
| IdleOne | installing packages from newer releases is not recommended or supported, it may work but will probably end up causing breakage | 16:27 |
| IdleOne | depending on the package you want to upgrade there may be a PPA | 16:27 |
| ovidiu-florin | I need the package nvidia-304 or nvidia-310 but for 12.04 only experimental packages are available | 16:28 |
| dragan | i only have digital clock settings no analong clock settings | 16:28 |
| IdleOne | isn't nvidia-current the 310? | 16:28 |
| ovidiu-florin | no | 16:28 |
| genii-around | !info nvidia-current quantal | 16:28 |
| ubottu | nvidia-current (source: nvidia-graphics-drivers): NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library. In component restricted, is optional. Version 304.51.really.304.43-0ubuntu1 (quantal), package size 37197 kB, installed size 105665 kB (Only available for i386; amd64; lpia) | 16:28 |
| ovidiu-florin | nvidia current is 295.40 | 16:28 |
| dragan | i checked in options it automaticly somehow unchecked serbia and cheched utc | 16:29 |
| genii-around | Ah, right, precise not quantal | 16:29 |
| ovidiu-florin | !info nvidia-current precise | 16:29 |
| ubottu | nvidia-current (source: nvidia-graphics-drivers): NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library. In component restricted, is optional. Version 295.40-0ubuntu1.3 (precise), package size 32657 kB, installed size 96040 kB (Only available for i386; amd64; lpia) | 16:29 |
| ovidiu-florin | dragan: digital clock settings -> timezones -> uncheck UTC | 16:30 |
| IdleOne | beats me, but I don't recommend you install the quantal package on precise | 16:30 |
| ovidiu-florin | then I'll have to install quantal or raring | 16:31 |
| ovidiu-florin | when is raring released? | 16:31 |
| dragan | it happend to me few months ago with ubuntu 12.10 under kde but i taught it was me accidentaly changed somehow niw i see that it have something to do with kde\ | 16:31 |
| IdleOne | ~4 weeks | 16:31 |
| ovidiu-florin | so, 13.04 will be released in may? | 16:32 |
| ovidiu-florin | won't that make it 13.05 ? | 16:32 |
| IdleOne | !schedule | 16:32 |
| ubottu | A schedule of Raring Ringtail (13.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule | 16:32 |
| IdleOne | April 25th | 16:32 |
| dragan | time is back i wonder how it got checked??? | 16:33 |
| ovidiu-florin | IdleOne: the red font on red background does not help much | 16:33 |
| IdleOne | I agree | 16:33 |
| ovidiu-florin | what's BBL? | 16:35 |
| IdleOne | Be Back Later | 16:36 |
| ovidiu-florin | That's it, I'm upgrading to quantal | 16:40 |
| ovidiu-florin | !quantal | 16:40 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu 12.10 (Quantal Quetzal) is the current stable release of Ubuntu. Download http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.10/ - Release notes: http://ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/12.10 | 16:40 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin, did run sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade after setting the packages in muon back to 'normal' ? | 16:47 |
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| mausschubser | hallo | 16:53 |
| toqeer | hell mau | 16:54 |
| toqeer | hello mau | 16:54 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: yes | 16:54 |
| ovidiu-florin | no difference | 16:54 |
| Quest | how to share remote desktop by ssh protocol? I remember some package have "NS" in its name. any one knows about it? | 16:54 |
| sakang | I see those 4.10.2 in backports ppa already but they won't show up in apt-get update. any idea why? | 16:54 |
| ovidiu-florin | I've started to upgrade to quantal, if this does not work properly, I'l reinstall | 16:54 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: ^ | 16:55 |
| BluesKaj | ok ovidiu-florin . hope it works out | 16:55 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: thank you for your help | 16:57 |
| ovidiu-florin | I'll try to install nvidia-304 after upgrade | 16:57 |
| === dan__ is now known as dan_l | ||
| sakang | Quest: look for openssh in the ubuntu wiki | 17:00 |
| Quest | ah.. i have open ssh. i need GUI desktop sharing | 17:00 |
| dan_l | hi. are there any reccomended netbooks for kubuntu? | 17:00 |
| Quest | sakang, ^ | 17:00 |
| Quest | whats the recomended one for package for NX (like freeNX) to share full desktop with mouse, keyboard events where the server can be on linux ubuntu and the client may be either linux or windows? | 17:00 |
| sakang | Quest: kubuntu/kde has a remote desktop apps IIRC | 17:02 |
| ovidiu-florin | sakang: KRDC? | 17:02 |
| Quest | i need the client to be windows also | 17:02 |
| dan_l | ps: kubuntu's remote desktop apps are absolutely awesome....... | 17:02 |
| genii-around | Quest: Why don't you just use FreeNX ? | 17:03 |
| genii-around | !freenx | 17:03 |
| ubottu | FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX | 17:03 |
| dav7x | Hi everyone! Does somebody know what are the plans for future KDE backports for 12.04 (i.e. kde 4.11, etc)? | 17:03 |
| Quest | genii-around, ok.. | 17:03 |
| Quest | genii-around, whats the package name? | 17:04 |
| genii-around | Quest: It's not packaged by Canonical. See the link for install instructions | 17:04 |
| Quest | genii-around, is it neatx better? | 17:04 |
| Quest | k | 17:04 |
| sakang | dav7x: it's safe to assume 4.xx will show up in backports :) | 17:05 |
| dav7x | thanks sakang! | 17:06 |
| sakang | dav7x: 4.10.2 is in but looks like gate is stil closed | 17:07 |
| ovidiu-florin | sakang: what does that mean? gate closed? | 17:08 |
| FlameReaper-N900 | I'm still having problems upgrading to it though | 17:08 |
| sakang | ovidiu-florin: can't get it yet | 17:08 |
| FlameReaper-N900 | A few reinstalls later and I still have no luck :( | 17:08 |
| dav7x | Oh, I got 4.10.2 here in kubuntu 12.10. I'm planning a downgrade to Kubuntu 12.04 since I will get support until 2017, and I'll be stuck with AMD legacy drivers due to dropped support for xserver 1.13+ | 17:10 |
| Quest | genii-around, what is the replaced text for "gnome-session" which is for ubuntu. what is for kubuntu? | 17:13 |
| sakang | dav7x: support here means mostly security updates | 17:13 |
| genii-around | Quest: startkde | 17:13 |
| Quest | thx | 17:13 |
| Quest | genii-around, gnome-session | 17:14 |
| Quest | typo | 17:15 |
| Quest | genii-around, it says kde session is already running | 17:15 |
| dav7x | sakang: I see... I didn't phrase my question well, then. What I mean is that I'd like to know if at least some future major releases (e.g.: kde 4.11, 4.12) could still make it to Kubuntu backports ppa for Kubuntu 12.04. | 17:15 |
| Quest | genii-around, that means i cannot log the with a user who is already logged in? | 17:15 |
| ovidiu-florin | are AMD video boards preffered over Nvidia video boards on kubuntu? | 17:16 |
| Quest | genii-around, correct? | 17:16 |
| dav7x | sakang: (as long as they don't depend on other future incompatible packages from future core ubuntu releases) | 17:17 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin, not really | 17:18 |
| dav7x | ovidiu-florin: in case if you asked that regarding what I said, my problem is that I have an ATI HD 3400 card, and they dropped support for anything older than HD 4XXX since they will not be working with X server 1.12 or less for newer driver releases. | 17:18 |
| sakang | dav7x: 13.xx is already a lot better than 12.04. Not sure if you will still want 12.04 when 16/17:xx is around | 17:19 |
| dav7x | ovidiu-florin: by "they" I mean AMD | 17:19 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: I'm thinking that maybe there is something wrong with this video board | 17:20 |
| sakang | ovidiu-florin: not sure about your application but radeon works fine for me for legacy cards | 17:21 |
| dav7x | sakang: probably, but I'll be stuck with legacy drivers, and 13.xx will have x server 1.13+, which will not get support for proprietary drivers from AMD since they consider my card is too old. No luck for me :( | 17:21 |
| Quest | I am ssh -X user@domain. logged in. but it says kde already running when I type startkde. whats wrong? | 17:22 |
| Quest | genii-around, ^ | 17:22 |
| Quest | so no kde should be running on that computer? why cant i run the kde on the server and remote desktop as well? | 17:23 |
| dav7x | sakang: I guess I will have to downgrade anyway, otherwise I will start missing security updates next year. | 17:24 |
| sakang | dav7x:i'm guessing you need prop drivers you do video-intensive work? then get a nice new card | 17:26 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin, according to other users , your 12.04 install should have newer stable drivers/packages available than you had there ..don't think your graphics card is to blame. | 17:27 |
| dav7x | sakang: not possible for my notebook. Open source drivers are still not cutting it, sadly. Suspend resume doesn't work, energy managment is absent or extremely poor, etc. | 17:29 |
| dav7x | The only option I see for now to get future KDE major releases is switching to Arch and pin down xserver. Sadly (again), I never got the same support out of the box for printers, nor working suspend/hibernate with arch, besides some nasty hiccups in package management there. | 17:31 |
| sakang | dav7x: I have a 2005 Compaq with the very first 64-bit Turion and radeon works nicely with kde | 17:32 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: then .... I don't know... | 17:32 |
| dav7x | sakang: admiteddly I haven't tested recent versions of radeon. I will have to do some testing then! | 17:33 |
| sakang | dav7x: I don't remember exactly the card but it's pretty old like xpress 120M something | 17:34 |
| Quest | how to kill kde desktop? | 17:34 |
| sakang | stop kdm | 17:35 |
| dav7x | sakang: so maybe it could also be that your card has features that have had more time to be ironed out | 17:36 |
| Quest | sakang, not working | 17:40 |
| Quest | sakang, $ sudo stop kdm | 17:41 |
| Quest | stop: Unknown job: kdm | 17:41 |
| tsimpson | we use lightdm these days, stopping that will kill all of the GUI so you'll have to login to a TTY and start it manually | 17:42 |
| tsimpson | or just use "sudo restart lightdm" | 17:42 |
| sakang | Quest: yeah if you use lightdm as the login mgr | 17:44 |
| sakang | Quest: os on a terminal, find out the process ID and then kill it | 17:45 |
| sakang | or* | 17:45 |
| Quest | sakang, tsimpson i dont know. i just installed kubuntu 12.10 | 17:45 |
| tsimpson | 12.10 uses lightdm, yeah | 17:45 |
| Quest | tsimpson, sakang iam on ssh -X user@domain i cannot start a GUi. how can i do that please? | 17:46 |
| tsimpson | just like I showed, "sudo restart lightdm" that will kill the whole GUI on the host and bring up the login manager again | 17:47 |
| tsimpson | it's not the most graceful way to kill a desktop session, you can communicate with the desktop over DBus these days too using qdbus or dbus-send and ask the desktop to logout rather than killing all of it. that's only if the session is responding of course | 17:48 |
| sakang | Quest: sorry, I only use ssh to read/write files. not familiar with remote desktop | 17:50 |
| Quest | what is the replacement of gnome-session in kubuntu? | 17:50 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: I'm on quantal | 17:53 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: Vendor string nouveau | 17:54 |
| dav7x | sakang: gotta go now, thank you! | 17:55 |
| ovidiu-florin | how can I see package info with apt? | 17:55 |
| sakang | ovidiu-florin: aptitude show pkg | 17:56 |
| ovidiu-florin | I can manage with aptitude, I asked about apt | 17:57 |
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| sakang | ovidiu-florin: then replace aptitude with apt-cache | 17:57 |
| BluesKaj | ok ovidiu-florin , ok that's the default nvidia driver , you'll find the drivers in your package manager , muon, the 304 should work | 17:58 |
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| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: 304 still apears as experimental | 17:59 |
| mausschubser | hi | 18:01 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: should I install nvidia-current? | 18:01 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin, do, sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade first , then look at your nvidia choices | 18:03 |
| pedor | hi, how stable is kubuntu 13.04? I'm thinking to upgrade before the final release | 18:06 |
| mausschubser | my laptop does not start any more. it is suck at `checking battery state ` | 18:06 |
| ovidiu-florin | mausschubser: try ctrl+alt+F8 | 18:06 |
| ovidiu-florin | mausschubser: if no change than go to tty1 (ctrl+alt+f1) and login and run "startx" | 18:07 |
| mausschubser | I'm running kubuntu 12.10 | 18:07 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: just got the update to KDE 4.10.2... this might take a while | 18:09 |
| BluesKaj | yeah , it's quite large , should be finished in a few mins tho | 18:10 |
| mausschubser | cannot remember my user id | 18:10 |
| pedor | anybody using 13.04? | 18:12 |
| ovidiu-florin | mausschubser: then..... hard reboot. | 18:13 |
| BluesKaj | pedor yes but 13.04 questions should be asked in #ubuntu+1 | 18:14 |
| Quest | iam following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX . at step 5. it says Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have | 18:14 |
| Quest | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been createdor been moved out of Incoming.The following information may help to resolve the situation:The following packages have unmet dependencies:freenx : Depends: freenx-smb but it is not going to be installe E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. | 18:14 |
| pedor | BluesKaj: ok, thanks | 18:14 |
| BluesKaj | Quest, sudo dpkg --configure -a , then sudo apt-get -f install | 18:16 |
| Quest | done that already | 18:16 |
| ovidiu-florin | Quest: did it do anything? | 18:16 |
| Quest | nop | 18:17 |
| BluesKaj | Quest, the drop to a tty and update and upgrade , then dist-upgrade | 18:17 |
| Quest | no use | 18:17 |
| Quest | hm | 18:17 |
| ovidiu-florin | :)) | 18:17 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj recommend update to everybody :D | 18:17 |
| Quest | nice idea. worth trying. let me see | 18:17 |
| ovidiu-florin | recommends* | 18:17 |
| BluesKaj | always | 18:17 |
| ovidiu-florin | I'm an update addict.. I connect my android to the internet just to install updates.... :D | 18:18 |
| mausschubser | ovidiu-florin how to? | 18:18 |
| BluesKaj | gotta keep on top of the updates and upgrades | 18:18 |
| ovidiu-florin | Imagine my reaction when I see the muon update gear in the panel :D | 18:18 |
| ovidiu-florin | mausschubser: press the restart button on the computer | 18:19 |
| mausschubser | and then? | 18:19 |
| ovidiu-florin | wait | 18:19 |
| mausschubser | for grub? | 18:19 |
| ovidiu-florin | mausschubser: wait to see it the next time it starts kde starts | 18:19 |
| ovidiu-florin | if it still does not you will have to login on tty | 18:20 |
| mausschubser | kde doesn't start | 18:20 |
| Quest | BluesKaj, ovidiu-florin W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ppa/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found | 18:20 |
| Quest | W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ppa/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found | 18:20 |
| Quest | W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ppa/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found | 18:20 |
| mausschubser | i think | 18:20 |
| Quest | after most updateion ^ | 18:20 |
| ovidiu-florin | if you don't remember your username... you'll have to login on recovery | 18:20 |
| ovidiu-florin | as root | 18:20 |
| BluesKaj | Quest, dump those ppas | 18:21 |
| Quest | dump? | 18:21 |
| Quest | whats that | 18:21 |
| Quest | BluesKaj, you mean ignore them | 18:22 |
| Quest | ? | 18:22 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: the ppa is necessary | 18:22 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX#Installing_the_FreeNX_server_on_Ubuntu_Karmic_.289.10.29_and_higher | 18:22 |
| mausschubser | dammed, is there no easy to see how many accounts are registered on the machine? | 18:23 |
| ovidiu-florin | Quest: how many ppas does sudo apt-add-repository ppa:freenx-team add? | 18:23 |
| mausschubser | way | 18:23 |
| FlameReaper-PC | Looks like I just realized another clue to my problem: | 18:23 |
| FlameReaper-PC | apparenly a dbus-related issue | 18:23 |
| ovidiu-florin | mausschubser: there is, but you have to be logged in as someone in order to be able to see that | 18:23 |
| BluesKaj | well Quest at least comment them with a # | 18:24 |
| Quest | ovidiu-florin, didnt noticed | 18:24 |
| mausschubser | pj | 18:24 |
| mausschubser | ok | 18:24 |
| ovidiu-florin | Quest: go check | 18:24 |
| FlameReaper-PC | http://paste.kde.org/716942/ << Anyone can figure why? | 18:25 |
| ovidiu-florin | FlameReaper-PC: is dbus running? | 18:26 |
| FlameReaper-PC | ovidiu-florin: It should, but this happens when I'm trying to log in. | 18:27 |
| ovidiu-florin | FlameReaper-PC: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=98570 | 18:29 |
| FlameReaper-PC | ovidiu-florin: The solution suggests SQL installation | 18:30 |
| FlameReaper-PC | but how do I find that in the repos? | 18:30 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin, one should always comment ppas before upgrading to a new OS , then after the OS is finished installing , go to the ppa site and copy the ppa url and gpg key to your sources list for the new OS and update and upgarde | 18:30 |
| ovidiu-florin | that's the last step | 18:30 |
| FlameReaper-PC | the OP is running Gentoo though | 18:30 |
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| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: the ppas are disabled automaticaly. at least muon does that | 18:31 |
| BluesKaj | not always | 18:31 |
| BluesKaj | i don';t trust muon :P | 18:31 |
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| ovidiu-florin | FlameReaper-PC: same problem. make sure kde-workspace kubuntu-desktop are isntalled | 18:32 |
| FlameReaper-PC | oh, another set of updates rolled in it seems | 18:32 |
| FlameReaper-PC | ovidiu-florin: ... I don't think the latter is necessary | 18:33 |
| FlameReaper-PC | besides, I have been running KDE without that | 18:33 |
| ovidiu-florin | FlameReaper-PC: does it work now? | 18:33 |
| FlameReaper-PC | ovidiu-florin: I haven't tried yet, but a new set of updates just came in | 18:34 |
| FlameReaper-PC | I'm trying them now | 18:34 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: updates are done | 18:35 |
| FlameReaper | Still failed...... | 18:35 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: 304 and 310 still apear as experimental | 18:36 |
| ovidiu-florin | and I have no ideea what current brings | 18:36 |
| ovidiu-florin | should I try current? | 18:36 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin, current should be 304 | 18:36 |
| ovidiu-florin | or current-updates? | 18:37 |
| BluesKaj | install current | 18:37 |
| ovidiu-florin | installing | 18:37 |
| ovidiu-florin | FlameReaper: what is your problem? I've seem to missed when you first asked | 18:38 |
| FlameReaper | ovidiu-florin: Upgraded to KDE 4.10.2, tried to login, but keep getting back to the login screen. | 18:39 |
| Quest | ovidiu-florin, got pvt message? | 18:39 |
| ovidiu-florin | Quest: open muon and got to software sources | 18:39 |
| FlameReaper | After some probing a few minutes ago, http://paste.kde.org/716942/ | 18:39 |
| Quest | then? | 18:39 |
| ovidiu-florin | see there how many ppas for freenx you have | 18:39 |
| Quest | k | 18:40 |
| Quest | a minute | 18:40 |
| ovidiu-florin | FlameReaper: you should reset your kde settings | 18:40 |
| ovidiu-florin | try mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-old | 18:41 |
| ovidiu-florin | I'm not sure this is the best way to fix it | 18:41 |
| FlameReaper | ovidiu-florin: Tried that, and failed | 18:42 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: I've got 304.43 but I'm stuck at 800x600 with 60,3Hz | 18:42 |
| FlameReaper | In fact, tried more than once | 18:43 |
| ovidiu-florin | FlameReaper: that did not work? | 18:43 |
| FlameReaper | No | 18:43 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: those are the only options available | 18:43 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin, kmenu>apps>settings>nvidia server | 18:44 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: and there? | 18:45 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin, xserver display configuration>resolution trhe drop doen should give some options | 18:49 |
| BluesKaj | the drop down | 18:49 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: it has only auto | 18:50 |
| ovidiu-florin | that's the only option | 18:50 |
| BluesKaj | click on the little arrow | 18:50 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: it has only auto | 18:51 |
| ovidiu-florin | there ar no resolutions there | 18:51 |
| ovidiu-florin | no other options available | 18:51 |
| ovidiu-florin | I know how it should look, it does not look like it should | 18:51 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin, what about systemsettings>display and monitor | 18:52 |
| ovidiu-florin | only 800x600 | 18:53 |
| BluesKaj | and of course you rebooted after installing the new driver, right ovidiu-florin | 18:53 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: yes | 18:53 |
| Quest | ovidiu-florin, now i cant login...(one problem after another) i enter password in kde GUI and a black screens comes and goes. again to login screen | 18:53 |
| ovidiu-florin | Quest: which kubuntu version? | 18:54 |
| BluesKaj | then try the experimental drivers , ovidiu-florin | 18:54 |
| Quest | ovidiu-florin, 12.012 | 18:54 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: should i uninstall this one first? | 18:54 |
| BluesKaj | no , the installer will autoremove the present driver | 18:55 |
| Quest | 12.0\10 | 18:56 |
| Quest | ovidiu-florin, theres not way to get source list on command line? | 18:58 |
| ovidiu-florin | Quest: have you installed the KDE 4.10.2 update? | 18:58 |
| Quest | $ lightdm --version | 18:59 |
| Quest | lightdm 1.4.0 | 18:59 |
| BluesKaj | Quest, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list | 18:59 |
| Quest | OvermindDL1, i have a fresh install | 18:59 |
| Quest | BluesKaj, thnak | 18:59 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: IIRC not all ppas are stored there | 19:00 |
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| FReaper | Quest: Great, we aren't alone. | 19:00 |
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| Quest | i dont have any ppa in sources.list http://pastebin.com/yz2Y5Vqe | 19:02 |
| Quest | ovidiu-florin, ^ | 19:03 |
| ovidiu-florin | I've just upgraded to 12.10 and then installed the update.... and I haven't had that problem | 19:03 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin, /etc/apt/sources.list.d and you need folder access for that | 19:03 |
| Quest | ovidiu-florin, you mean you did had that similer problem before the upgrade? | 19:04 |
| ovidiu-florin | Quest: no | 19:05 |
| soham | helo ! | 19:05 |
| Quest | ovidiu-florin, deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ppa/ubuntu precise main | 19:05 |
| Quest | deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ppa/ubuntu quantal main | 19:05 |
| Quest | deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ppa/ubuntu quantal main | 19:05 |
| Quest | deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ppa/ubuntu precise main | 19:05 |
| Quest | ovidiu-florin, user1@server1:/etc/apt/sources.list.d$ cat freenx-team-ppa-quantal.list | 19:06 |
| Quest | BluesKaj, good hint | 19:06 |
| Quest | ovidiu-florin, so i have 2 x 2 = 4 lists. | 19:06 |
| Quest | thats ok? | 19:06 |
| ovidiu-florin | comment the precise ones | 19:07 |
| Quest | 12.10 is quantal? | 19:08 |
| soham | yes | 19:08 |
| BluesKaj | and the freenx until after the install is done then get the applicable ppa for the new OS, Quest | 19:08 |
| BluesKaj | comment that is | 19:09 |
| Quest | BluesKaj, sorry? | 19:09 |
| Quest | soham, ok | 19:09 |
| soham | Freenx! you mean nx client for linux ? | 19:09 |
| Quest | soham, freenx server | 19:09 |
| soham | Oh ! | 19:10 |
| Quest | BluesKaj, what did you just said? | 19:10 |
| soham | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX | 19:11 |
| ovidiu-florin | Quest: BluesKaj said to comment all ppas, finish your updates and the uncomment them and try to install again | 19:11 |
| BluesKaj | user1@server1:/etc/apt/sources.list.d$ cat freenx-team-ppa-quantal.list , quest | 19:11 |
| BluesKaj | comment the above | 19:12 |
| BluesKaj | soham, don't jus paste aurl and expect help , give us some details as to what the problem is first | 19:12 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin, mnot quite , because the ppas are no longer valid for that OS he nneds to upgrade the ppas from their sites first | 19:13 |
| ovidiu-florin | ah | 19:13 |
| soham | I have none. I was trying to clarify whether Quest is talking about installing Freenx on Kubuntu. The opensource verion of Nomachine's NX remove connect system. | 19:13 |
| Quest | ovidiu-florin, BluesKaj you mean that theres not need of a ppa if I have updraged ? the repos for freenx will be auto added to my defualt sshipped repos? | 19:13 |
| ovidiu-florin | Quest: the ppas you have are not valid for your version of kubuntu | 19:14 |
| ovidiu-florin | you need new ones | 19:14 |
| Quest | ovidiu-florin, really? | 19:14 |
| ovidiu-florin | after you update | 19:14 |
| Quest | ovidiu-florin, were do i get new ones? | 19:14 |
| ovidiu-florin | what exactly is your version? | 19:14 |
| Quest | 12.10 | 19:14 |
| BluesKaj | no if the ppas aren't auto upgraded , most need to be upgraded to the new OS ppa version | 19:14 |
| BluesKaj | Quest,^ | 19:14 |
| Quest | i followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX | 19:14 |
| Quest | and got the right repo fo r 12.10 | 19:15 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: the quantal ones should be ok | 19:15 |
| Quest | hm. | 19:15 |
| Quest | so coment ppa, upgrade, comment them, update, uncoment, install freenx | 19:16 |
| soham | Quest: are you using this ppa : http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ppa | 19:16 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: I have 304.48 (experimental) still stuck at 800x600. something is wrong here | 19:16 |
| soham | If you look here http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ppa/ubuntu/dists/, you can see there is nothing for Quantal or Raring. | 19:17 |
| Quest | soham, its http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ppa/ubuntu | 19:18 |
| ovidiu-florin | Quest: why not just go with this: http://www.nomachine.com/select-package.php?os=linux&id=1 and forget all this hassle? | 19:18 |
| soham | oh ! my bad, I thoght u r using Ubuntu. | 19:18 |
| soham | u r on kubuntu rite ? | 19:18 |
| ovidiu-florin | I've used this and it's quite good | 19:18 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin , what kind of monitor ? | 19:18 |
| ovidiu-florin | soham: this is #kubuntu | 19:19 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: Hosizon | 19:19 |
| ovidiu-florin | Horizon | 19:19 |
| Quest | ovidiu-florin, freenx == NX free edition ? | 19:19 |
| BluesKaj | lcd or crt ? | 19:19 |
| Quest | soham, kubuntu | 19:19 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: LCD | 19:19 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: I think 20" | 19:19 |
| BluesKaj | hmm | 19:19 |
| ovidiu-florin | Quest: the one from nomachine is free | 19:20 |
| Quest | is it == to freenx | 19:20 |
| ovidiu-florin | I haven't used freenx | 19:20 |
| Quest | which one you used? | 19:21 |
| ovidiu-florin | the one from nomachine | 19:22 |
| ovidiu-florin | Quest: have you seen my link? | 19:22 |
| soham | Why do you want to use freenx ? May be a stupid question. If you are on Desktop, you can use plain Chrome browser to see some one elses desktop. "Chrome remote Desktop" extension can do a lot. | 19:22 |
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| ovidiu-florin | soham: that is no different than teamviewer | 19:23 |
| ovidiu-florin | even teamviewer is better | 19:23 |
| === bobestgrand is now known as Aspirantux | ||
| ovidiu-florin | but NX forwards the Xserver directly | 19:23 |
| ovidiu-florin | no third party envolved | 19:23 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: any Ideeas? | 19:24 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin, what nvidia driver options do you have in muon ? | 19:24 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin, did you happen write an xorg.config file in the past ? | 19:25 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: http://paste.kde.org/716984/ | 19:25 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: I tried once... like 4-5 years ago... | 19:25 |
| ovidiu-florin | but I failed to make a good one | 19:26 |
| Quest | ovidiu-florin, yes | 19:26 |
| Quest | soham, hmm can that pass moust events and keyboard events? | 19:27 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: I haven't found a good tutorial to learn from at the time | 19:29 |
| soham | That is limited in many ways. but yes that can do that. | 19:29 |
| ovidiu-florin | ok, I'm off | 19:31 |
| ovidiu-florin | BluesKaj: I'll try again on monday | 19:32 |
| ovidiu-florin | if you have any ideeas please send them to me | 19:32 |
| BluesKaj | ovidiu-florin, look in muon for nvidia , you see several optional drivers , but I think there's someting else wrong , you should have more resolution options | 19:33 |
| Quest | is it easy to get the password of a sudoer if the system harddisk is given to someone? | 19:44 |
| Quest | ovidiu-florin, do i need to dist-upgrade? | 20:46 |
| Quest | while updating . i got W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ppa/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found. i cannot install freenx. any solution? | 20:48 |
| len | I'm upgrading my notebook from 12.04 to 12.10 and I'm at a point where I am supposed to answer yes or no to a question but I can't see what the question is?! | 20:51 |
| len | I had the terminal drop down section open | 20:52 |
| len | so it filled it in with the curses box | 20:52 |
| len | but the box is way to small for it | 20:52 |
| len | and it won't let me see the question I am supposed to answer | 20:53 |
| OerHeks | Quest, see https://launchpad.net/~freenx-team/+archive/ppa no quantal packages | 20:53 |
| len | It is at "preparing to configure cpp" | 20:53 |
| len | How can I find out what the question is? | 20:53 |
| OerHeks | Quest, this ppa does have it > https://launchpad.net/~freenx-team/+archive/testing | 20:54 |
| Quest | hm | 20:55 |
| Quest | still no | 20:55 |
| Quest | 12.04 is precise? | 20:55 |
| len | If I hadn't had the terminal arrow drop-down open would it have asked in a seperate window? | 20:56 |
| len | Guess I won't use that option anymore | 20:56 |
| len | I like to see the additional info though | 20:56 |
| OerHeks | 12.04 is precise yes | 20:56 |
| len | Not sure what to do now. | 20:56 |
| len | I can either kill the whole upgrade process and hope I can restart | 20:57 |
| len | or just guess at the answer and hope I'm right. | 20:57 |
| len | Any other options? | 20:57 |
| OerHeks | I understand your issue, len, not sure hitting ESC would stop the upgrade | 20:57 |
| len | Have you ever had this happen before? | 20:58 |
| len | I never have | 20:58 |
| len | It is really frustrating | 20:58 |
| OerHeks | No, not for a long time, window ghosting | 20:58 |
| len | Do you think if I'd had the Terminal output box closed | 20:59 |
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| len | it would have asked in a seperate dialog? | 20:59 |
| len | or just stuck there | 20:59 |
| OerHeks | ehh you started upgrade tru terminal ? | 20:59 |
| len | not asking at all | 20:59 |
| len | No | 21:00 |
| len | Normal gui upgrade | 21:00 |
| len | but | 21:00 |
| len | you can press a little down arrow | 21:00 |
| len | to get terminal output | 21:00 |
| len | in a little box | 21:00 |
| len | inside the gui | 21:00 |
| OerHeks | ah oke, the hidden messages | 21:00 |
| OerHeks | closing that, would do noharm | 21:01 |
| len | and installer tried to jam whole blue curses box in there | 21:01 |
| len | and only a little of it shows | 21:01 |
| len | crazy | 21:01 |
| len | can only see the yes or no | 21:01 |
| OerHeks | alt tab could not bring it forward? | 21:01 |
| OerHeks | * in front | 21:01 |
| len | I don't think you understand the situation | 21:02 |
| len | normal gui screen | 21:02 |
| len | but there has always been a option | 21:02 |
| len | to open a little output viewer inside the gui | 21:02 |
| len | and it wedged the whole blue curses screen question in there | 21:03 |
| len | Hit esc and now it is rolling the whole thing back | 21:05 |
| len | I'll try again with the terminal window closed, but I really really shouldn't have to do that | 21:05 |
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| len | I like seeing the extra output about what is going on because sometimes it helpful to let you know things you should attend to after upgrade. | 21:06 |
| len | Am I the only one who uses it or something so bug slipped past testing. | 21:07 |
| len | It starts out closed | 21:07 |
| len | oops. | 21:08 |
| len | It didn't roll back. It is continuing. | 21:08 |
| len | Don't know if it chose Yes or No to the unknown question | 21:08 |
| len | What normally happpens if you press Esc instead of answering Yes or No? | 21:09 |
| len | Get default option? | 21:09 |
| len | or skip configuring the package altogether? | 21:10 |
| OerHeks | default option, yes i presume | 21:13 |
| OerHeks | most of the time it would be advisable, butt i am not sure what stage you were at that point. | 21:13 |
| len | I was at preparing to configure cpp | 21:14 |
| len | Wonder what it would have been asking about at that stage | 21:14 |
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| Quest | it looks like freenx dont have support for 12.10 . what alternatives can i have? i want the client to be on linux as well on windows? | 21:18 |
| len | Why not use the packages on nomachine's site? | 21:23 |
| len | Or are you saying you couldn't get those to work? | 21:25 |
| len | I don't see a version specifically for 12.10 on there site, but it is self contained and installs it's own copies of libs, so I think all the debian-based ones are basically the same and the version for 12.04 should still work | 21:26 |
| len | Have you found otherwise? | 21:27 |
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| len | *their | 21:27 |
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| Quest | my kde login gets to a console after password type. then returns again to login kde screen. i cant login. what can be done? should i rm /home/user/.kde for afresh start? | 21:34 |
| yofel | Quest: first check your ~/.xsession-errors for what went wrong | 21:35 |
| Quest | yofel, http://pastebin.com/ftqA1RrX | 21:38 |
| yofel | Home directory /home/user1 not ours. | 21:38 |
| yofel | as what user did you try to login? | 21:39 |
| Quest | user1 | 21:41 |
| Quest | but i sudo killall kde or something once | 21:42 |
| Quest | how to reconfigure kde? | 21:42 |
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| yofel | Quest: moving ~/.kde out of the way should do that. Are the UID/GID for /home/user1/ correct? | 21:48 |
| Quest | yofel, dont know. how to check? | 21:51 |
| yofel | if you run 'ls -lhad /home/user1/', what user is that owned by? | 21:52 |
| rsaw | you could always sudo dpkg-reconfigure packagename | 21:55 |
| Quest | drwx------ 18 user1 user1 4.0K Apr 6 02:40 /home/user1/ | 21:57 |
| Quest | rsaw, Its fruitles | 21:57 |
| yofel | weird | 21:59 |
| yofel | Quest: I fear I need to go now, someone else might know something | 22:00 |
| rsaw | Quest: why so? | 22:02 |
| lopata | ffffff | 22:03 |
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| administrator | kkk | 22:03 |
| administrator | jjk | 22:04 |
| rsaw | ppp | 22:04 |
| === administrator is now known as Guest50833 | ||
| bjrohan | I had placed on my desktop a note which contained notes. I changed my desktop setup, and lost said note. Where would the notes written on said wideget be stored? | 22:34 |
| bjrohan | The widget was called Notes | 22:34 |
| === euphoria|jacked is now known as ceradon | ||
| === ceradon is now known as euphoria | ||
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