[00:53] hello === kubuntu is now known as Guest66863 [00:55] I just got a new pc with a 128GB ssd and a normal hd, and was wondering what would be the best way to divide the partitions between the two [00:56] do you have any suggestion? [01:06] Taggnostr: Partition the SSD into two partitions, one about 15 gig or so for the system, the rest for your home directory. [01:07] Taggnostr: Mount the HD into your home directory and use it for static storage. [01:07] DarthFrog, what about the swap partition? [01:07] Taggnostr: Do not put your swap partition on the SSD. How much RAM do you have? [01:08] 8GB [01:08] You don't need a swap partition with that much RAM. [01:08] Also: http://apcmag.com/how-to-maximise-ssd-performance-with-linux.htm [01:08] thanks [01:08] I was also reading https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives [01:13] DarthFrog, is the swap partition completely unnecessary with 8GB of ram, or is it better to still create it (on the normal HD)? [01:14] Up to you and it depends upon how you use your computer. [01:15] Personally, my attitude is if I ever need to use swap, I need more RAM. :-) [01:15] what happens if I run out of ram and I don't have a swap partition? if it's safer to have a swap partition I don't mind to use a few GB from the normal HD for it [01:15] Swap was useful back in the days of low RAM machines and high RAM cost. Those days of expensive resources are over. [01:16] Taggnostr: As I said, it's up to you. The resource cost of a swap partition on today's monster HDs is trivial. [01:17] I'm not planning to use 8GB of RAM constantly (I've been living with 2GB so far), but it might be possible to have peaks over 8GB if I start running a couple VMs while doing other things [01:18] If you're running virtual machines, then you need real RAM, not swap. [01:18] also it seemed to me that the swap was used even if there was free ram, is that not the case? (or do I have to configure it somehow to keep everything in ram?) === dziegler is now known as dziegler_off [01:19] for example now my pc (the one with 2GiB) reports 1.2GiB for the RAM and 0.5GiB for the swap [01:19] With 2 GB of RAM, I'd have a swap partition. [01:38] what's the difference between kubuntu 32bit or 64bit? why is 32bit recommended? [01:42] Because it works on all systems, 32bit and 64bit. There's no killer advantage to using 64bit, unless you're doing lots of number crunching. [01:43] If you install 6bit, you'll also likely need to install the ia32-libs for some backward compatibility. Eg. Steam requires 32 bit support. [01:48] ok [01:49] will kubuntu ask me to do the partitioning when I boot the ISO from usb? [02:33] it asks if you choose manual partitioning, and it will ask for confirmation with the automatic partitioning anyway === nicole is now known as Guest94428 [02:51] tsimpson, ok === Obsidian1723-2 is now known as Obsidian1723 === Copper_ is now known as Guest22341 === DouglasK is now known as Douglas_K === Douglas_K is now known as DouglasK === DouglasK is now known as Douglas_K === Douglas_K is now known as DouglasK [05:03] Hi everyone! Does anyone know what are the plans for the backporting of future major kde releases to kubuntu 12.04 (e.g. kde 4.11, 4.12)? === Freejack is now known as Freejack_ [06:36] Has anyone had a problem logging in after updating to KDE 4.10.2? === jan is now known as Guest84817 === captawsm is now known as Captain_Awesome [07:03] evening all! anyone know how to set the title of the current terminal tab, via the terminal? === Dudalus is now known as Dudalus_ === Dudalus_ is now known as Dudalus === pjoe_afk is now known as pjoe === Dudalus is now known as Dudalus_ === Dudalus_ is now known as Dudalus [07:43] Good morning === dziegler_off is now known as dziegler [08:30] How do i adjust window bounds? [08:31] I've moved the panel to the top and it always overlaps my window [08:31] i have a screenshot [08:32] http://i.imgur.com/svB7JM0.png [08:32] notice the bar up top [08:33] so how do i adjust how far a window can maximise up to? === pjoe is now known as pjoe_afk [08:35] Anyone had any problems logging in after updating to KDE 4.10.2? [08:35] Also, is there any support channel for Linux Mint? [08:35] !mint [08:35] Linux Mint is not a supported derivative of Ubuntu. Please seek support in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org [08:35] Thanks. [08:36] DW i figured it out mysekf [08:36] *myself [08:38] I used to think kubuntu looked ugly and childish, it's starting to grow on me :D [08:39] Hmm, back to this: [16:35] Anyone had any problems logging in after updating to KDE 4.10.2? [08:56] I'm installing kubuntu on a new pc with 120GB SSD + 1TB HD and I heard that setting up LVM is better, but I don't know much about it. Now there's an option that says "use entire disk and set up LVM", should I select this? [08:56] Taggnostr: have anyone explained why LVM would be better? [08:57] "because it's more flexible and it's difficult to add it later if you didn't do it at the beginning"? [08:58] indeed [08:59] IIUC I should make a 200MB partition for /boot on the SSD, use the rest of the SSD as a second partition and the whole HD as a third partition [09:00] Taggnostr: automatic partitioning wouldn't do it like that AFAIK [09:00] I also read that I should align the SSD. Will I be able to do that if I select the "guided installation" or should I select manual instead? [09:02] before finding about LVM I was going to have 20GB for / + 100GB for /home on the SSD, but now with LVM I'm not sure anymore what I should do [09:08] Tm_T, any suggestion about what to do? [09:14] Taggnostr: hmm, perhaps what you just described, except perhaps larger root, and home with LVM [09:14] then you can extend home to use part or entirely the larger disk you have [09:15] on this pc I have 2 HDs and I mounted the second one as /home/data (the /home is on the first one) [09:15] how will it work with LVM? [09:16] LVM basicly means that you can add and extend partitions easily [09:16] that's pretty much all the benefit for you in ordinary use [09:17] what I know about LVM is that is some kind of layer that will allow you to see a partition as a single thing even if the data are saved on different disks [09:17] but here I want to keep the SSD and the HD separated [09:18] so I think I will have to do 3 physical partition (/boot, one for the SSD and one for the HD) [09:18] but then I'm not sure what to do next [09:19] sto logical partition on the SSD partition for / and /home? [09:19] s/sto/two/ [09:20] yup [09:21] ok [09:22] when I do the manual configuration, there are "primary" and "logical" as partition type, is "logical" related to LVM? [09:25] Taggnostr: nope [09:26] now I was trying "guided with LVM" and I think it started doing the partitioning on its own... [09:27] yes it does [09:53] http://i.imgur.com/xaBt7Pf.jpg How's my desktop? [09:54] can't open this pictrue!! [09:54] Looks good Sarger001, though I would like to point you to #kubuntu-offtopic. Unless it is a picture of a problem ;) [09:55] i agree! [09:55] OK Gone there [09:57] Does anyone here update to KDE 4.10.2? [10:00] Hmm seems my mirror is outdated... [10:01] FlameReaper-PC: I'll check it out in the afternoon, see how the update goes. [10:01] FlameReaper-PC: yes [10:01] lordievader: Ok thanks. It seems here the update on my part broke in some way, it keeps kicking me back to the login screen no matter what I try. [10:02] I was able to start Plasma Desktop manually by hijacking an LXDE session though. [10:03] FlameReaper-PC: check ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.0.log for hints what goes wrong when logging in [10:04] I'll retry that. [10:09] Is there a launchpad style dashboard for kubuntu? Really need one [10:10] That's odd, it doesn't give me the update to 4.10.2. Oh well I'll take a look at it later... [10:12] lordievader: Are you updating via the Kubuntu Backports? [10:12] By the way [10:12] Tm_T: http://pastebin.com/jYEQxvQd << Xorg.0.log [10:13] and http://pastebin.com/cXKvuPrR << .xsession-errors [10:13] from what I understand there is no error message given [10:13] it just kicks me back to the login screen [10:28] FlameReaper: uh, is that your entire .xsession-errors? [10:30] Tm_T: Yes [11:30] that is the default value, let me see if I find where to change that [11:31] nvm, wrong channel [12:00] FlameReaper-PC: any luck with it? [12:04] Tm_T: Not a single sign of it. [12:05] Tried a lot including removing the .kde folder [12:05] several times [12:05] reinstalling the entire KDE packages, but no downgrading [12:07] as said earlier, I was able to get to a KDE desktop by hijacking an LXDE session [12:07] suggesting something might be wrong on the login part [12:07] I just don't know where to start looking [12:13] FlameReaper: what you mean by "hijacking" in this case? [12:14] gesellschaft mit beschrnkter hoffnung [12:17] !de | manuel_ [12:17] manuel_: In den meisten Ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuche bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Einfach "/join #ubuntu-de" eingeben. Danke für Dein Verständnis! [12:19] Hey FlameReaper, no I'm running Raring, didn't think it would be neccessary to add the backports. [12:20] FlameReaper: and you are sure you have all kde-runtime packages installed? [12:20] lordievader: the backports are not yet activated, this will only happen after the release [12:21] Mamarok: Exactly, that is what I thought. However in my Raring install I do not get the update to 4.10.2 [12:21] lordievader: because they are not done yet? [12:22] Mamarok: How do I make sure of that? [12:22] Tm_T: I logged in using an LXDE session [12:23] Mamarok: Ok, if that is the reason. But quoting from the Kubuntu website: "Packages for the release of KDE SC 4.10.2 are available for Kubuntu 12.10, 12.04 and our Raring development release." [12:23] then killed the panel, window manager and desktop, and ran the following manually: [12:23] oh, let me check that out, then [12:24] Kwin, plasma-desktop, and krunner (for ALT+F2) [12:24] FlameReaper-PC: open the package manager and check if you have all the lsited kde-runtime packages installed [12:24] "Morning all [12:26] Mamarok: I was upgrading, so I don't really know what I would miss [12:27] and that while I can start a plasma desktop session manually it's the login that is giving me problems [12:27] anyway I will be AFK for a while for dinner, will be back later [12:28] FlameReaper-PC: the problem is that you don't have all packages, that announcement was psoted too early [12:28] so you have an incomplete upgrade [12:28] Ah [12:29] Mamarok: so that means I upgraded with an uncomplete list of packages? [12:29] Mamarok, who was the person having problems [12:30] smartboyhw: FlameReaper-PC [12:30] FlameReaper-PC, hello [12:30] smartboyhw: Hello [12:30] FlameReaper-PC, the strange thing is that when we tested internally people reported that the DE is working okay. [12:31] FlameReaper-PC, it might be that the packages aren't copied fully to the Backports PPA then [12:31] Ah [12:31] FlameReaper-PC, let us check please:) [12:31] Probably I upgraded too early? :P [12:31] And sorry for breaking your desktop:( [12:32] FlameReaper-PC: yes, unfortunately [12:32] smartboyhw: It's all right, I'm just curious [12:32] FlameReaper-PC, yes. [12:32] FlameReaper-PC, no worries [12:32] We will get it fixed for you:) [12:32] :D [12:33] FlameReaper-PC: Just a confirmation: You are running 12.10 right? === robert_ is now known as Guest26751 [12:51] FlameReaper-PC: You around? What version of Kubuntu are you running? [12:51] It would help us a lot :) [13:11] FlameReaper-PC lordievader upgraded perfectly... [13:12] FlameReaper-PC: In Quantal, lets also mention that. [13:29] smartboyhw: Yes, I am on 12.10 [13:30] FlameReaper-PC: OK [13:30] lordievader found it no problem [13:30] So try again maybe:( [13:30] smartboyhw: Acknowledged. [13:30] FlameReaper-PC: How did you try to update? [13:30] lordievader: The usual apt-get upgrade [13:31] because I already have the PPA in my system [13:31] FlameReaper-PC: It might be that apt found a few packages had a too big influence and kept them back, perhap you can try to update with apt-get dist-upgrade. [13:34] lordievader: Doesn't seem to be the case, the apt log shows a clean output, except for this one: [13:34] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libqtcore4_4%3a4.8.3+dfsg-0ubuntu3.2~ubuntu12.10~ppa1_i386.deb (--unpack): [13:34] trying to overwrite shared '/etc/xdg/Trolltech.conf', which is different from other instances of package libqtcore4:i386 [13:34] libqtcore? Hmm [13:35] Which I issued a dpkg --force-all later on [13:36] FlameReaper-PC, and it didn't work right? [13:36] Oh no, I know nothing about Qt... [13:36] smartboyhw: I managed to force it to install, but I don't really think it impacts much to the problem I currently have [13:36] since I can run plasma-desktop [13:37] but not login into it. [13:37] FlameReaper, so you can't login. [13:37] smartboyhw: Yes. The only way I can get to plasma-desktop is by running LXDE, [13:37] killing the window manager, panel and desktop [13:38] and replacing it with KDE's. [13:48] FlameReaper-PC: that means your Display Manager (KDM, GDM, LightDM, ...) is not configured to offer you the option of starting a different Desktop Environment [13:49] Walex: Err, no, that isn't it [13:49] Every display manager I use has KDE listed in it [13:49] I just cannot log in when I choose it [13:49] it keeps kicking me back to the display manager [13:49] FlameReaper-PC: ahhhh that's quite a different thing. You can login, but the startup of KDE fails, a different thing. [13:50] Yes [13:50] Walex: I can start the desktop manually while in another session though [13:51] FlameReaper-PC: instead of KDE, choose "xterm" or "fallback" or "failsafe" then you get an empty screen with a single 'xterm' and then type 'startkde' and check if it works that way [13:51] Walex: Tried that too, but I can't [13:52] KDE doesn't have an "Xterm" option, but I suppose "Failsafe" is it [13:52] Oh yeah I should note this: [13:52] FlameReaper-PC: that should be good. [13:52] I can't log in to that either. [13:52] FlameReaper, it might not be your problem. We have some applications that aren't copied into the Backports PPA (strangely) [13:53] FlameReaper-PC: then you have a really screwed up Desktop Manager configuration. [13:53] FlameReaper-PC: ^ [13:53] Walex: Thing is, I don't get how it could be that screwed up when all I did was an upgrade... [13:53] FlameReaper-PC: try to have a look into '~/.xsession-errors' that should tell you something [13:54] Uh [13:54] Xsession errors didn't give me much [13:54] [18:12] Tm_T: http://pastebin.com/jYEQxvQd << Xorg.0.log [13:54] [18:13] and http://pastebin.com/cXKvuPrR << .xsession-errors [13:55] FlameReaper-PC: anyhow what is your current default Desktop Manager? In '/etc/X11/default-desktop-manager'? Probably KDM from what you say. [13:56] FlameReaper: Yes, it is KDM. [13:56] However, it is the same when I use other display managers. [13:56] Tried to log in, screen goes blank a while and then I'm back at the display manager [13:57] FlameReaper-PC: then perhaps there is some error in you ~/.xession' script [13:58] Is there such a thing? [13:58] ls gives me these: .xine/ .xinput.d/ .xsession-errors .xsession-errors.old [14:05] Hi, something weird happened, after todays update my display settings widget in the system settings is gone, how can I get it back? [14:05] Jeena, which release are you in and do you use the Backports PPA? [14:06] hm good questions ^^ how can I find that out? I just installed kubuntu from the website 2 month ago [14:08] Jeena: lsb_release -a [14:08] jeena@Dipsy:~$ lsb_release -a [14:08] No LSB modules are available. [14:08] Distributor ID: Ubuntu [14:08] Description: Ubuntu 12.10 [14:08] Release: 12.10 [14:08] Codename: quantal [14:08] Jeena: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [14:09] Jeena, did you enable the Backports PPA? [14:09] I am not sure how to check if I did. [14:10] Jeena, paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to pate.ubuntu.com and give us the link [14:10] Jeena: is kde-workspace-randr installed? [14:11] if not please install it, that should bring the display settings back [14:12] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5679828/ [14:12] ok I will try [14:12] i wonder when mouse cursom theme will change correctly? i mean: if you download any additional cursor theme and choose it - only half of theme works. i know already work around with conficuring, or to be more precise - only triggering the cursor defaults to make downloaded cursor theme to work correctly, but i found only kubuntu distro with this "king of bug". and i noticed that this faulty cursor heme behavior could be found at least from kubuntu 11. [14:12] 10 maybe.. [14:13] oh yofel wohoo! they're back! [14:13] thanks so much :) [14:13] so why is it so? does it has something sofisticated to fix, or i am the only one who finds it? :) === JonathanD is now known as JonathanS === JonathanS is now known as JonathanD === BTCOxygen|1 is now known as BTCOxygen [15:14] hello world :D [15:14] I've tried and tried again [15:14] I can't get this damn thing to work properlly [15:14] lordievader: are you here? [15:16] I've tried to uninstall and reinstall my NVIDIA drivers because the refresh rate can't get over 60Hz [15:16] I got a massive headake because I tried to work on this thing so please be patient with me [15:17] I've reinstalled the driver. [15:17] Now I'm stuch at 800x600 with 61Hz [15:17] stuck* [15:17] I have Kubuntu 12.04 with backports === thelionroars is now known as thelionsleeps [15:22] ovidiu-florin: Ai, that doesn't sound good. [15:22] I'm really frustrated [15:22] I can't do any work [15:23] ovidiu-florin: I can understand that. What driver do you currently have installed? [15:23] nvidia current [15:24] I've just installed it again... [15:24] now I'm stuck at maximum 640x480 with 55Hz [15:24] And your card is supported by this driver? [15:24] what's wrong with this thing? [15:24] why would it be presented in the Aditional Drivers if it would not be compatible? [15:25] I'm just asking... Does nvidia-xconfig (or however it is called) complain about anything? [15:25] is that a command? [15:26] ovidiu-florin, run , glxinfo | grep OpenGL , the vendor string is the driver in use [15:26] ovidiu-florin: It's an application, but I'm not sure if I have the right name. [15:26] Ah BluesKaj, great you're here, you have much more experience with nVidia ;) [15:28] nvidia-xconfig writes an xorg.conf file using the driver parameters and monitor you have installed , it's really not needed [15:30] What can I try? [15:31] Was it nvidia-xsettings then? The settings application is the one I mean. [15:31] nvidia-xconfig [15:31] aaa [15:31] nvidia-settings [15:32] ovidiu-florin, did you see my suggestion above? [15:32] BluesKaj: I saw it, I don't have glxinfo [15:33] what's the package name? [15:33] we need to know whether the nvidia driver is actually in use, install mesa-utils for glxinfo to work [15:34] OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation [15:35] GeForce GT 220/PCIe/SSe2 [15:35] version string: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 295.40 [15:36] that's the nvidia-current driver for your card , what kubuntu version ovidiu-florin ? [15:36] 12.04 with backports [15:36] the 295.40 is an old driver [15:37] ok 12.04 , that be the current driver alright [15:37] could be [15:38] ovidiu-florin, let me do some checking , I think a more current driver is available , I don't trust jockey to install the drivers correctly\ [15:39] neighter do I [15:39] that's why I wanted to ask you, could I fix it from CLI? [15:39] ovidiu-florin, I'm speaking from personal experience [15:39] 310.44 is the latest. [15:39] it's beta [15:39] FlameReaper, for 12.04 ? [15:39] is it stable? [15:40] That's what I got at the NVIDIA site [15:40] don't think so [15:40] I saw it available in aditional drivers [15:40] but it's beta [15:40] I treid to install it... it crashed everything... [15:40] I had to uninstall everithing NVIDIA [15:40] I'd look at the terminal log for apt [15:40] and reinstall current [15:40] and see where it went wrong [15:41] as for my case, the driver doesn't like the new kernels [15:42] BluesKaj: I said that I don't trust it because It crashed my system many times [15:46] ovidiu-florin, ok I have the 310.32 driver installed , even tho the recommended linux driver for my card is the 310.44 as well , and I'm running kubuntu 13.04 .. the experimentals aren't very stable or smooth [15:48] BluesKaj: what do you recommend that I do? === dziegler is now known as dziegler_off [15:48] ovd recommend you try the 304 driver , so remove the nvidia-current , but make sure you update and upgrade first , you may have an upgrade in the repos that accomplishes the same thing I'm about tom suggest [15:49] ovidiu-florin,^ [15:50] ok [15:51] I'm up to date( apt-get update && apt-get upgrade) [15:52] BluesKaj: is "apt-get remove --purge nvidia-current" ok to uninstall? [15:52] ovidiu-florin, ok sudo dpkg -r nvidia-current , (I don't use pat-get with drivers) [15:53] apt [15:53] why? [15:53] ovidiu-florin, then sudo dpkg -i nvidia-304 [15:54] BluesKaj: no such file or directory [15:54] sometimes apt-get leaves config files that interfere with the API and creates a mismatch [15:55] bummer [15:55] can't isntall [15:55] install [15:55] ok hang on [15:58] ovidiu-florin, ok try, sudo dpkg -i nvidia-310 [15:59] same thing [16:00] then reboot , do you have all the repositories in your package manager enabled ? like canonical partners etc [16:00] BluesKaj: from what I know dpkg can only install from files [16:01] and only apt can install from repos [16:02] BluesKaj: yes, they are all enabled, exept fot the cd-rom ones [16:02] I rebooted, and my system froze durring booting up [16:02] ovidiu-florin, ok nm , use ap-get then , but it's the same thing ..I used dpkg to install my drivers and it worked just fine , [16:03] this keeps happening If I have no driver installed [16:03] I'll boot in recovery [16:04] tty [16:04] it froze, there's no tty available [16:06] ovidiu-florin, odd you don't have any driver packages in jockey [16:06] ovid reboot then drop to the tty [16:06] ovidiu-florin,^ [16:08] ok, I'm in tty [16:09] ovidiu-florin, have you done any dist-upgrades lately ? [16:09] BluesKaj: there is no nvidia-304 or nvidia-310 only nvidia-experimental-304 [16:09] no [16:09] I installed 12.04 and sticked with it [16:10] then do one [16:10] to 12.10? [16:10] it just upgrades your packages , not the OS [16:10] and the desktop [16:11] sudo do-release-upgrade, right? [16:11] no! [16:12] if you want to stay on 12.04 just do dist-upgrade , it upgrades you packages and the latest kernel for your OS...it does NOT upgrade to next OS [16:12] aaaaaa [16:12] now I understand [16:13] there is no command dist-upgrade [16:13] that's why dpkg didn't have the drivers availabl;e [16:14] ovidiu-florin, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [16:15] BluesKaj: nothing to be done. it says that it's up to date [16:15] should I pastebin the sources.list? [16:15] it's the default one with all enabled exept the cd-rom's [16:15] ovidiu-florin, then you have the LTS only packages setting enabled in your package manager [16:16] can I remoce that from tty? [16:16] remove [16:16] perhaps , but i don't know the commnads [16:16] ok, I'll startx [16:17] you should be on the nouveau driver when you get to the desktop [16:18] BluesKaj: vendor strig now says: VMware, Inc. [16:18] string === DouglasKAway is now known as DouglasK [16:19] oh , now he tells me ...VMware , wonderf ul news [16:19] this is not a virtual machine [16:20] my kubuntu 13.04 changed time zone to utc by itself [16:20] I have VMware installed on this system because I cross compile with windows and I have windows in a virtual machine [16:20] ovidiu-florin, go into muon and disable the LTS only option [16:21] I have to go for a whaile BBL [16:21] BluesKaj: Software Sources -> Updates -> Release upgrade -> normal releases [16:22] BluesKaj: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade still has nothing to do [16:22] sudo apt-get do-release-upgrade [16:22] i lefted home and when i returned it changed time adn added utc under the clock [16:22] !dist-upgrade [16:22] A dist-upgrade will install new dependencies for packages already installed and may remove packages if they are no longer needed. This will not bring you to a new release of Ubuntu, see !upgrade if that is your intention. [16:24] IdleOne: that command is invalid [16:24] there is no option "do-release-upgrade for apt-get [16:24] sorry [16:24] there is [16:25] sudo do-release-upgrade [16:25] no apt-get [16:25] that's something else [16:25] ovidiu-florin: you're right :) [16:25] that upgrades my OS [16:25] what are you trying to do? [16:25] dragan: right click on clock, select "Analog clock settings", click OK should go back the way you want it. [16:26] upgrade my packages but not my OS [16:26] how do I remove the only LTS updates from muon? [16:26] dragan: doen't actually change timezone of computer, just widget display. [16:27] installing packages from newer releases is not recommended or supported, it may work but will probably end up causing breakage [16:27] depending on the package you want to upgrade there may be a PPA [16:28] I need the package nvidia-304 or nvidia-310 but for 12.04 only experimental packages are available [16:28] i only have digital clock settings no analong clock settings [16:28] isn't nvidia-current the 310? [16:28] no [16:28] !info nvidia-current quantal [16:28] nvidia-current (source: nvidia-graphics-drivers): NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library. In component restricted, is optional. Version 304.51.really.304.43-0ubuntu1 (quantal), package size 37197 kB, installed size 105665 kB (Only available for i386; amd64; lpia) [16:28] nvidia current is 295.40 [16:29] i checked in options it automaticly somehow unchecked serbia and cheched utc [16:29] Ah, right, precise not quantal [16:29] !info nvidia-current precise [16:29] nvidia-current (source: nvidia-graphics-drivers): NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library. In component restricted, is optional. Version 295.40-0ubuntu1.3 (precise), package size 32657 kB, installed size 96040 kB (Only available for i386; amd64; lpia) [16:30] dragan: digital clock settings -> timezones -> uncheck UTC [16:30] beats me, but I don't recommend you install the quantal package on precise [16:31] then I'll have to install quantal or raring [16:31] when is raring released? [16:31] it happend to me few months ago with ubuntu 12.10 under kde but i taught it was me accidentaly changed somehow niw i see that it have something to do with kde\ [16:31] ~4 weeks [16:32]