[02:33] <crf> Hi, when I log out and then log back in, the volume applet disappears.
[02:34] <crf> also, the sound settings "OUTPUT VOLUME" is greyed out
[08:12] <exalt> hello im installing beta 2 and im stuck on 27%
[08:12] <exalt> any ideas
[09:17] <haiping> anyone encounter this issue that 13.04 gets no sound output on MacBook Pro Retina ?
[09:21] <howlymowly> hi poeple..  I am testing out the 13.04 beta
[09:21] <howlymowly> and get an error when trying to compile some of my programs:  /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.7/libstdc++.so when searching for -lstdc++
[09:21] <howlymowly> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++
[09:22] <howlymowly> is there some compatibility problem with gcc ?
[09:22] <howlymowly> or a link which isn't where it is supposed to be?
[09:22] <howlymowly> or a link which isn't where it is supposed to be?
[09:41] <arif-ali> this is going to be a long shot, but going to ask anyhow
[09:41] <arif-ali> before installing 13.04, my laptop was able to charge without any problems
[09:42] <arif-ali> but after installing 13.04, none my OS's allows for charging
[09:42] <arif-ali> any ideas on what it may have changed for this to happen?
[09:43] <arif-ali> I have Bodhi 2.1.0, Ubuntu's 12.10, 13.04, PCBSD 9.1, and now none of them charge
[09:46] <howlymowly> arif-ali: I have the same problem since 12.04  ....  what hardware do you have?
[09:46] <howlymowly> I myself have a vorstro 1310
[09:46] <howlymowly> sadly I did not find a solution
[09:46] <howlymowly> yet
[09:46] <arif-ali> howlymowly, Lenovo E530
[09:46] <howlymowly> hmm.  well...  that#s not the problem then I guess
[09:47] <arif-ali> I did an install of Win7 last night, that didn't work either
[09:47] <arif-ali> until I installed Lenovo Power Manager
[09:47] <arif-ali> howlymowly, did you try in BIOS?
[09:48] <arif-ali> So I am presuming it is something to do with some power manager setting that we need to tweak in Linux
[09:51] <howlymowly> arif-ali: nope, I did not
[09:52] <arif-ali> my laptop does charge while in BIOS
[09:53] <arif-ali> btw, your stdc++ error, have you installed both 32bit and 64bit libraries
[10:10] <howlymowly> arif-ali: yepp,  I think so
[10:10] <howlymowly> I am on a 64bit machine
[10:10] <howlymowly> does it help removing one of them?
[11:00] <arif-ali> howlymowly, if you have both, then it should be able to grab the relevant onw
[11:08] <streulma> hello, Ubuntu 13.04 works pretty fast :)
[11:08] <streulma> only I have 2 bugs
[11:09] <streulma> 3 bugs
[11:09] <streulma> first I can't get the installer to the disk partitioning screen
[11:09] <streulma> then there is Verg mijn wachtwoord in place of Vraag mijn wachtwoord in installer.
[11:10] <streulma> and I can't change the background color in Unity.
[11:34] <arif-ali> streulma, I had the same issue wrt disk partitioning, but I just used debootstrap to install onto one of my LVMs
[11:35] <streulma> arif-ali: it's solved... creating new MBR with GParted, and then I can to the installer and repartition my drive
[11:35] <streulma> arif-ali: just, on my PC notebook it works
[11:36] <arif-ali> right, didn't have the luxury of redoing my partitioning, or MBR
[11:38] <streulma> find my Ubuntu install on Macbook Pro very fast ! :)
[12:24] <BluesKaj> "Morning all
[12:25] <Sonikk> BluesKaj: afternoon here
[12:25] <BluesKaj> hi Sonikk
[12:25] <Sonikk> hi
[13:53] <kapat> Hello, just upgraded to the raring beta, and after reboot X was broken
[13:54] <kapat> where should I submit a bug report?
[13:54] <smartboyhw> kapat, type apport-bug "xorg" I think in a terminal
[14:02] <kapat> alright, now X started, but unity is completely frozen.
[14:02] <kapat> should that be a bug against unity?
[14:07] <kapat> What's the current best way to configure X in Raring?  I have a basic xorg file that sort of works, but I thought you guys moved away from using xorg.conf a while ago
[14:10] <bjsnider> kapat, what graphics chip is this
[14:12] <kapat> bjsnider: It's an integrated intel chip
[14:12] <bjsnider> ok, it's non-standard to be using a xorg.conf
[14:12] <bjsnider> are you passing along unusual flags to it or something?
[14:13] <kapat> bjsnider: It worked fine in 12.10, after the upgrade x started, but unity was completely unresponsive
[14:14] <bjsnider> can you pastebin your xorg.conf please
[14:14] <kapat> Tried using the failsafe xorg file, which started x and unity kind of sort of worked
[14:17] <kapat> bjsnider: http://pastebin.com/LYXJR1GV
[14:17] <kapat> That one works
[14:17] <bjsnider> it's not necessary
[14:17] <kapat> but unity is still completely frozen after it starts
[14:17] <bjsnider> you can remove it
[14:18] <kapat> alright, how can I debug unity?
[14:20] <kapat> I can log in just fine, but after I log in I have a mouse cursor but no buttons respond
[14:20] <kapat> and it seems that the title bar doesn't finish loading
[14:20] <kapat> and the second screen just has a solid color
[14:26] <kapat> bjsnider: So, I have a bridged interface set up in /etc/network/interfaces for this machine, when it is enabled x starts, but if I comment it out and let network-manager handle the connections, then I get the "System is running in low-graphics mode" message on boot
[15:08] <kapat>  /sigh, desktop is completely hosed after upgrade. Any ideas to get unity working again?
[15:14] <xubuntu947> Hi there, is there anyone who have some problems with installing xubuntu 13.04 beta 2 ?
[15:17] <kapat> xubuntu947: I think you're going to have to be more specific than that
[15:17] <SuperLag> love 13.04
[15:18] <SuperLag> had major issues earlier on... but now I'm running it on my work desktop, it has been great
[15:18] <SuperLag> so if I've learned anything it's that "YMMV" is sooooooo true :)
[15:19] <xubuntu947> all right, after internet connection and aditional software screen something goes wrong and i have this screen: http://i45.tinypic.com/biklci.jpg
[15:20] <xubuntu947> everything stuck up - nothing happen
[15:22] <xubuntu947> but in background something is working - when i hit for example: F1 - DVD is reading and HDD start working for short time.
[15:27] <kapat> xubuntu947: Looks like something crashed... if you can figure out what it is you can try submitting a bug report
[15:27] <kapat> xubuntu947: Sorry, that's not super helpful
[15:27] <xubuntu947> well, i have no ide whats goes wrong
[15:28] <xubuntu947> i have only this : http://i45.tinypic.com/biklci.jpg
[15:28] <xubuntu947> what is: wl_cfg80211_detach+0xca/0xd0 ?
[15:29] <xubuntu947> wireless config ?
[15:38] <kapat> xubuntu947: that is the wireless driver. Maybe try turning off your wireless card, and see if it works better
[15:40] <thebishop> has Canonical considered making Shotwell the default image viewer and maybe even remove the barebones Gnome image viewer?
[15:40] <thebishop> Shotwell really works fine as a viewer, and doesn't take long to load
[15:42] <thebishop> since there's no File-> Open/Edit separation within Nautilus, I think Shotwell gives you the best result.  If you only wanted to view, you wouldn't complain about Shotwell, but if you wanted to do basic editing, Image Viewer won't cut it
[16:49] <Laiquendi> Hey there!
[16:49] <Laiquendi> Can anybody explain a situation of Ubuntu 13.04 and systemd?
[16:51] <BluesKaj> Laiquendi,  systemd is being looked at , that's all . There's no timeline for adoption
[16:52] <Laiquendi> Oh. So it is not available at a users choice either?
[16:53] <BluesKaj> Laiquendi, dunno
[16:53] <tgm4883> doubtful
[16:53] <Laiquendi> Thanks for answers!
[16:53] <tgm4883> you'd have to write startup jobs for everything
[16:54] <BluesKaj> or install archlinux if you really want it that much :)
[16:59] <johnjohn101> can someone fix pidgin so that the accounts screen is accessible from the notifications
[16:59] <bean__> johnjohn101: you'd have to take that up with the developers of pidgin, most likely
[16:59] <bean__> or whoever handles the integration between notifications and pidgin
[17:01] <trism> johnjohn101: which notifications? if in unity, the notify-osd notifications don't allow interactions...or do you mean in the messaging menu?
[17:02] <jbicha> Laiquendi: Ubuntu 13.04 is using some of systemd's services, 13.10 will probably use logind also which is a fairly important piece of systemd; Ubuntu has no plans to move away from upstart as a foundation though
[17:10] <johnjohn101> trism:  I not sure where the error lies.  does ubuntu do a custom pidgin or is this just plain vanilla?
[17:17] <trism> johnjohn101: we have the pidgin-libnotify package that handles both the notifications and the messaging menu support (the envelope icon in the panel)
[17:17] <trism> johnjohn101: it isn't part of the pidgin source
[17:43] <johnjohn101> what is that code written in?
[17:44] <johnjohn101> just seems like some work needs to be done with it.  i think there are some bugs entered
[17:45] <trism> johnjohn101: c
[18:14] <pedor> hi, anyone is using kubuntu 13.04?
[18:20] <pedor> I'm thinking to upgrade to 13.04 before the final release
[18:26] <BluesKaj> pedor, that's what ppl here do , use 13.04 , it's quite stable so far and I assume you're a KDE user , so that's even better :)
[18:32] <ironhalik> so... hows the final beta doing? :>
[18:33] <pedor> BluesKaj: yes, silly question, for a moment I forgot where I was, lol. yes, kde user. I'm using it with a live usb, it's the fastest kubuntu on pendrive I ever used.
[18:36] <BluesKaj> ironhalik, it's not ready yet
[18:37] <pedor> BluesKaj: do u use kubuntu?
[18:37] <BluesKaj> pedor, yes
[18:38] <ironhalik> BluesKaj: uhm, but did they release beta2?
[18:38] <ironhalik> theres some varying info around the net
[18:39] <pedor> NICE
[18:39] <pedor> ops, sorry, nice
[18:39] <BluesKaj> they mistakenly made an early anouncement , ironhalik , afaik
[18:39] <ironhalik> oh, I guess I'll got with the dauly one then
[18:42] <pedor> I donwloaded the "beta" as soon as I saw the news. After downloading I saw it was still the alpha
[18:42] <ironhalik> pedor: the 'beta2'?
[18:43] <ironhalik> http://releases.ubuntu.com/13.04/
[18:43] <pedor> yes
[18:43] <pedor> at least when I created the live usb it said alpha
[18:43] <ironhalik> Well, the daily works ok for me, I just need to reinstall it on one of my PCs and hoped for a more polished image
[18:43] <ironhalik> since I had lots of problems with the installer
[18:45] <pedor> ironhalik: hm, maybe it's safe to wait until the final release
[18:45] <ironhalik> I'm an update junkie :>
[18:45] <pedor> I'm already using kde 4.10.2 but was looking for the the new packages in the 13.04, expecially libreoffice
[18:48] <pedor> i like to test, but... I use this note to work
[18:48] <ironhalik> I do too, java/android development
[18:49] <ironhalik> In case it goes FUBAR, I got clonezilla images of my OS drive
[18:49] <pedor> really? what problems did you had on install?
[18:49] <jrr> is 'update-manager -d' the correct way to go from 12.10 to 13.04?
[18:49] <ironhalik> pedor: the installer would hang after formatting the partitions :)
[18:49] <ironhalik> jrr: yeah, if you're upgrading
[18:49] <jrr> it has the big scary "this is still ALPHA" warning
[18:50] <ironhalik> jrr: yeah, there are no guarantees
[18:50] <jrr> will the resulting system differ from what I would get with a beta2 iso?
[18:51] <ironhalik> jrr: the moment you run dist-upgrade, it will upgrade to beta, then to final
[18:51] <pedor> how long it takes to upgrade?
[18:51] <ironhalik> depends on the system, I would reserve around 1h+
[18:51] <pedor> ironhalik: it's a lot of time... to install it usually takes less than half hours
[18:52] <ironhalik> pedor: yeah, but the upgrade process is different
[18:52] <pedor> is it safier?
[18:52] <ironhalik> When I wasn't able to install 13.04 from iso, I did an upgrade and it went well
[18:53] <ironhalik> it wen't well for me, YMMV
[18:53] <ironhalik> once from 12.10, and once from 12.04
[18:54] <pedor> I never did a upgrade before
[18:54] <ironhalik> I did an upgrade from 9.10 all the way to 12.04 once
[18:54] <ironhalik> and it worked :>
[18:54] <pedor> well, I already have 4.10.2 and I can add a ppa for libreoffice 4.0, I think I'll wait, hehe
[18:55] <pedor> usually I have so much ppa that I'm afraid to break it all
[18:55] <pedor> almost a private rolling release, lol
[18:57] <ironhalik> I'm running xorg-edgers ppa, for my radeon 7770 drivers
[18:57] <ironhalik> everytime I connect my MTP phone, the radeon module crashes :>
[18:58] <BluesKaj> pedor, I just comment the ppas until the new OS is installed , i don't trust muon. then i copy the new ppas into the sources.list if available for the OS
[18:59] <pedor> BluesKaj: hm, I could try this
[18:59] <pedor> so, fresh install or an upgrade?
[18:59] <ironhalik> backup and try upgrading
[19:00] <ironhalik> I rsync most of my OS drive before such things
[19:00] <pedor> rsync? how?
[19:00] <ironhalik> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/rsync
[19:02] <BluesKaj> pedor , if i have a decent OS install presently then I'll , sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[19:02] <ironhalik> pedor: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Full_System_Backup_with_rsync - heres a nice art about doing OS backup
[19:03] <ironhalik> that's data only, if you wan't do backup whole partition and restore it in case of failure, use clonezilla
[19:03] <pedor> BluesKaj: I installed this kubuntu few days ago
[19:04] <pedor> ironhalik: where do you put your backup?
[19:04] <ironhalik> pedor: second drive
[19:04] <pedor> ironhalik: don't have one :/
[19:04] <BluesKaj> pedor, this kubuntu ?
[19:04] <pedor> BluesKaj: yes
[19:04] <BluesKaj> which is ?
[19:05] <pedor> 12.10
[19:05] <ironhalik> pedor: you could put it on second partition, but it's _much_ less safe
[19:05] <BluesKaj> then just update and upgrade first , pedor , the the release upgrade
[19:05] <BluesKaj> then
[19:06] <pedor> I had a strange bug with time (it kept changing to 3 hours forward) few weeks ago and changed to xubuntu. although it's a stable/solid de it's not kde
[19:07] <pedor> I'll backup my work stuff to a pen drive now and try a upgrade. while in upgrade is it possible to use the system?
[19:08] <ironhalik> pedor: unless you use some specific system wide configs, backuping home dir should be enough
[19:08] <ironhalik> and you can always exclude ~/Downloads
[19:11] <pedor> ironhalik: ok. hm, is 13.04 still on kde 4.10.1? I'm running .2 . any problem?
[19:11] <ironhalik> dunno, I'm running Unity
[19:12] <pedor> BluesKaj: do you know about that?
[19:13] <ironhalik> "4.10.2 will be uploaded shortly after this beta release."
[19:14] <ironhalik> it regards beta2 release of kubuntu
[19:14] <ironhalik> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RaringRingtail/Beta2/Kubuntu
[19:15] <pedor> so, is it ok to upgrade?
[19:15] <ironhalik> _probably_ :>
[19:15] <BluesKaj> pedor, running 4.10.3 here already
[19:15] <ironhalik> noone can give any guarantees here
[19:15] <BluesKaj> err .2 that is
[19:16] <pedor> I'll do the upgrade so
[19:16] <pedor> what's the difference between upgrade and fresh install?
[19:17] <pedor> BluesKaj: what is the command to upgrade?
[19:18] <BluesKaj> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[19:18] <BluesKaj> pedor,^
[19:21] <pedor> hm, it seems it doesn't have all the translation to pt-br
[19:21] <pedor> but, that's ok
[19:48] <pedor> BluesKaj ironhalik: the upgrade started, let's see what happens
[19:50] <johnjohn1017> help
[19:54] <johnjohn101> oh lord
[20:03] <solsTiCe> hi. Is this a bug in roaring ringtail that UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS or it's my previous installation that cause that problem ??
[20:04] <solsTiCe> also I tried 13.104 because I had ajightmarish experience wih nouveau driver in 12.10. with graphic corruption. There is still problem in 13.04. I had no luck using the nnvidia driver in 12.10. may be this time ???
[20:05] <solsTiCe> nouveau is working fine in archlinux for me
[20:05] <trism> solsTiCe: I have UTC=no in my 12.10 upgrade from 11.10 I think, and also UTC=no in a clean install of 13.04 so I think it is just the default
[20:06] <solsTiCe> ah I said it was a bug because I just read §UTC=yes is a default since 11.something
[20:06] <solsTiCe> may be not
[20:08] <solsTiCe> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime Multiple Boot Systems Time Conflicts paragraph "Since Intrepid (8.10), UTC=yes is default" which is obviously worong.
[20:10] <solsTiCe> bye
[21:06] <pedor> BluesKaj: everything is working and a lot more smoothier, I'm quite impressed
[21:18] <pedor> hm, now I can't install firefox...
[21:20] <bjsnider> oh, sure you can
[21:20] <bjsnider> everybody can isntall firefox
[21:21] <pedor> bjsnider: /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox_20.0+build1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[21:21] <pedor> trying to overwrite '/usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop', which is also in package kubuntu-firefox-installer 13.04ubuntu2
[21:21] <pedor> bjsnider: I just did an upgrade
[21:21] <bjsnider> remove kubuntu-firefox-installer
[21:22] <bjsnider> or do an -f install
[21:22] <bjsnider> or both
[21:22] <pedor> -f install?
[21:23] <pedor> nevermind
[21:23] <pedor> removing kubuntu-firefox-installer worked
[21:24] <bjsnider> see, everybody can install firefox
[21:24] <pedor> bjsnider: hehehe, thanks
[21:25] <pedor> I'm impressed with this beta release, until now it seems to be faster than 12.10