[12:41] <dscassel> Woo!
[19:38] <azend> That email dscassel forwarded out about an hour ago is dreadful
[19:40] <azend> It basically says, "We don't think our software releases are generally good enough for new users to be able to handle so please only give them LTSes"
[19:40] <azend> Every LTS I've ever run has been buggier than a regular release
[19:48] <bregma> well, one of the recent decisions that came out of UDS was that the non-LTS releases were not intended to be targeted for non-tech-savvy users
[19:50] <bregma> most tech-savvy users who are willing to risk using an in-development (non-LTS) version should already know how to download and image and write it to a USB stick anyway
[20:07] <azend> perhaps but then it follows the same logic as Arch Linux does
[20:09] <azend> Plus, I thought one of the new things in the Ubuntu Development Cycle was a push to make each dev build stable
[20:10] <azend> To shorten the span between builds and to perform continuous integration testing
[20:20] <IdleOne> The non-lts version have always been a "test ground" for new tech
[20:20] <IdleOne> maybe not officially, but that is how I have seen them.
[20:21] <IdleOne> IMHO cutting cds/dvds for LoCo teams down to LTS only is a financial decision.
[20:22] <IdleOne> same with the virtual UDS. To be honest I can't really blame Canonical but it does make me sad a little.
[20:25] <azend> yeah that is very true
[20:25] <azend> the cost of shipping those discs out must have been ridiculously expensive
[20:25] <azend> I do miss the days of ship-it for everyone though
[20:45] <azend> txwikinger2: nice job.
[21:23] <bregma> the interval between dev builds is now on the order of 24 hours
[21:24] <bregma> I don't think the cost of pressing and shipping DVDs was significant
[21:24] <bregma> I think it's more likely this is a part of the conspiracy to switch to rolling releases
[22:09] <dscassel> I'm not particularly upset to see the CDs go.
[22:09] <dscassel> I still have a box of 12.10s I don't know what to do with.
[22:09] <dscassel> And they cost me ~$25 in brokerage fees every six months.
[22:09] <dscassel>  (admittedly better than the $40 it used to be)
[22:11] <dscassel> And the most common response I get when handing out CDs is "who installs from CD anymore?"
[22:11] <dscassel> followed closely by "Do you have 64bit?"
[22:12] <dscassel> Which probably means I'm targetting the wrong people, but hey.