[02:21] <TheMuso> /quit/c
[06:24] <BigWhale> Greetings.
[06:24] <didrocks> hey BigWhale
[06:24] <BigWhale> didrocks! :)
[06:25] <BigWhale> How's it going? :)
[06:27] <didrocks> good! yourself?
[06:28] <BigWhale> Just did a Freeze Exception for Kazam. I'm happy now. :))
[06:29] <didrocks> sweet! ;)
[06:30] <BigWhale> And today I'll be bugging Mir developers. :)
[06:34] <didrocks> great ;)
[06:34] <didrocks> join #ubuntu-touch
[06:34]  * didrocks takes more coffee
[06:38] <jibel> good morning
[06:38] <didrocks> salut jibel!
[06:38] <jibel> salut didrocks
[06:41] <BigWhale> didrocks, I actually joined ubuntu-mir :)
[06:47] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[06:48] <chrisccoulson> jibel, are the jobs running for the firefox PPA's? (eg, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/raring-ppa-adt-ubuntu_mozilla_daily_ppa-firefox-trunk/)
[06:49] <didrocks> good morning chrisccoulson :)
[06:49] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks
[06:50] <jibel> chrisccoulson, hey, they do http://10.98.0.1:8080/view/Raring/view/AutoPkgTest/job/raring-ppa-adt-ubuntu_mozilla_daily_ppa-firefox-trunk/138/
[06:50] <jibel> chrisccoulson, the publication to the public jenkins is broken again
[06:50] <chrisccoulson> jibel, ah, thanks
[06:52] <jibel> chrisccoulson, I resurrected the publisher, it will catch up with unpublished builds
[06:52] <chrisccoulson> thanks :)
[06:52] <jibel> yw :)
[07:06] <pitti> Good morning
[07:06] <didrocks> bonjour pitti! tu t'es levé tard aujourd'hui! :)
[07:06] <pitti> didrocks: oui, je le sais; I was awake late to try and fix my effing landline phone
[07:07] <didrocks> oh?
[07:07] <pitti> my wife's and our spare number (which we never use) both work fine, but mine always says "not reachable" for someone who called
[07:07] <pitti> "for anyone who calls", I mean
[07:08] <didrocks> not fun :(
[07:08] <pitti> so I went through the Telekom web UI for checking redirections, my router's IP telephony configuration, my phone's ISDN configuration, tried registering the handset at the router instead of the phone base station, etc.
[07:08] <pitti> I realized how darn complicated a landline phone is these days :)
[07:09] <pitti> but as a workaround I installed an app on my mobile now which talks to the router over wifi
[07:09] <pitti> that actually works really well, but I don't want to leave wifi on all the time as it drains a lot of power
[07:09] <didrocks> waow, you have low-level solution and access to your configuration :)
[07:09] <didrocks> right
[07:10] <pitti> well, I eventually filed a service ticket at telekom
[07:10] <pitti> I managed to break my isdn phone during the process, as it seems to have a custom PIN number which I don't know :)
[07:11] <didrocks> annoying ;)
[07:22] <ogra_> pitti, try 1234 :)
[07:23] <ogra_> (its the telekom after all)
[07:23] <seb128> hey desktopers
[07:23] <seb128> happy friday!
[07:24] <didrocks> salut seb128! bon vendredi :)
[07:24] <seb128> lut didrocks, à toi aussi ;-)
[07:24] <didrocks> merci ;)
[07:29] <BigWhale> 12345? That's the stupidest combination I've ever heard! ;)
[07:30] <pitti> ogra_: already tried that
[07:30] <ogra_> BigWhale, well, its friday :)
[07:31] <seb128> hey pitti, ogra_, BigWhale
[07:31] <ogra_> moin seb
[07:31] <seb128> is "1234" pitti's password?
[07:31] <BigWhale> ogra_, it was Spaceballs reference. ;)
[07:31] <pitti> seb128: *ssssh*
[07:31] <ogra_> :)
[07:31] <BigWhale> seb128, for his ubuntu upload ssh key :>
[07:31] <seb128> pitti, I can't believe nobody managed to crack it in all those years :p
[07:32] <pitti> seb128: if you want to crack something, please crack the pin number of my landline telephone base station :) I failed
[07:32] <seb128> ah
[07:32] <seb128> I guess you tried 0000 ?
[07:33]  * seb128 suggesting the other obvious after 1234
[07:33] <ogra_> well, you also could try something fancy ...
[07:33] <ogra_> ... like 4321
[07:33] <seb128> what brand/device is that?
[07:34] <BigWhale> pitti, do you have kids? if so, give it to them ...
[07:34] <BigWhale> my daughter unlocked my iphone screen lock in a matter of minutes. :>
[07:34] <pitti> BigWhale: heh, no
[07:36] <seb128> ogra_, thanks for releasing the lock on the archive btw :p
[07:36] <seb128> pitti, what brand/device is that you are trying to unlock?
[07:36] <pitti> oh, is it thawed again?
[07:36] <pitti> I thought it was supposed to stay frozen until release
[07:36] <ogra_> heh, sorry for sitting on it for so long
[07:37] <seb128> pitti, it's frozen, but at least reviews are done and stuff are accepted again
[07:37] <ogra_> pitti, it is ...
[07:37] <seb128> pitti, which was not the case yesterday
[07:37] <pitti> seb128: T-Easy C-520; but nevermind, I already tried the reset steps several times (they don't work), and tried several standard pins
[07:37] <ogra_> i did a late image build  so uploads were held back
[07:37] <pitti> seb128: ah, ok
[07:37] <seb128> pitti, broken device I say
[07:38] <pitti> seb128: I unregistered my DECT handset and registered it at my router for testing whether that'd fix my landline problem, but now I can't register it back at the phone
[07:43] <seb128> pitti, the documentation says the pin should be 0000
[07:43] <pitti> seb128: I know, but it's not (I did look through the documentation, and googled quite a bit)
[07:44] <seb128> buy french next time :p
[07:44]  * seb128 hides
[07:44] <jpds> "Canonical is located in an English speaking country.﻿"
[07:44] <jpds> quoi?
[07:47] <pitti> didrocks: DidierTV!
[07:47]  * pitti just watched the first 10 mins
[07:48] <didrocks> roh :-)
[07:48]  * pitti n'aime pas de vin rouge
[07:48] <didrocks> pitti: tu aimes le pain au moins?
[07:48] <seb128> didrocks, le pain noir mais c'est pas du pain...
[07:48] <seb128> ;-)
[07:49] <pitti> didrocks: oui, j'aime bien le pain !
[07:49] <pitti> we even bake that ourselves
[07:49] <pitti> seb128: *slap*
[07:50] <seb128> pitti, ;-)
[07:50] <didrocks> pitti: ça va, on te donne une moitié de carte de résidence alors :p
[07:50] <pitti> white bread is much less wrong than AZERTY, but still wrong :)
[07:50] <seb128> lol
[07:50] <pitti> oh those cultural differences
[07:50] <seb128> didrocks, don't listen to him what he calls bread is not bread
[07:50] <didrocks> pitti: ok, un quart de carte alors :p
[07:50] <didrocks> seb128: I just downgraded him ^
[07:50] <seb128> good ;-)
[07:50] <pitti> lol
[07:51]  * seb128 hugs didrocks pitti
[07:51]  * didrocks hugs seb128 and pitti
[07:51]  * pitti aime les autres nourritures
[07:51] <didrocks> pitti: right, but there are requirements
[07:51] <didrocks> real bread, wine and azerty
[07:51] <pitti> d'accord, je vais manger le pain blanc
[07:52] <seb128> didrocks, I guess most people can deal with the bread and wine
[07:52] <seb128> not sure about the azerty :p
[07:52] <pitti> Je n'utilise pas de clavier allemand soit
[07:52] <didrocks> seb128: they don't know what they miss, do they? ;)
[07:52] <seb128> one layout to rule them all
[07:53] <didrocks> I would put that under the "simplification, one core experience" tag
[07:53] <pitti> *shudder*
[07:53] <didrocks> like, why dealing with those xkeyboards bugs?
[07:53] <pitti> azerty *is* a keyboard bug!
[07:53] <didrocks> :p
[07:54]  * pitti gets his asbestos pants really quickly now
[07:55]  * pitti mettre son pantalon de asbestos très rapidement maintenant
[07:55] <didrocks> ;)
[07:55] <pitti> (however wrong that sentence was)
[07:56] <Nafallo> liquid bread?
[07:56] <pitti> didrocks: ok, so deal: white bread and ignoring traffic lights, but PC105/US
[07:57] <pitti> . o O { merci dieu c'est vendredi }
[07:57] <didrocks> pitti: I think I would put that for a vote, and wait for the strikes feedbacks
[07:58] <seb128> we can't even say it has been a long week
[07:58] <seb128> it has a been a 4 days or less week for most of us
[07:59] <pitti> seb128: so we had to put a week's worth of work into just 4 days!
[08:01] <darkxst> pitti, are we able to get a retracer setup now? I think the bulk of packages will have ddebs
[08:02] <didrocks> seb128: talk for yourself!
[08:03] <didrocks> seb128: happy Thursday btw :p
[08:03] <didrocks> (you are working tomorrow, isn't it? ;))
[08:03] <seb128> didrocks, ;-)
[08:03] <pitti> darkxst: able yes, but I didn't find time to set it up yet
[08:05] <darkxst> pitti, ok, whenever you get a chance
[08:05] <darkxst> also are we able to add bug patterns?
[08:06] <pitti> darkxst: yes; I propose we just use the normal ubuntu ones
[08:10] <darkxst> pitti, ok
[08:58] <GunnarHj> seb128: Good morning, Seb! Can you please add a Precise task at bug 1161953?
[08:58] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1161953 in language-selector (Ubuntu) "gnome-language-selector crashed with TypeError in _expand_pkg_pattern(): not enough arguments for format string" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1161953
[09:46] <davmor2> seb128: I've hit an issue, this problem with the album art I have images galore but I have no idea where to file it :)
[09:53] <seb128> GunnarHj, done
[09:53] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey
[09:53] <seb128> davmor2, if it's happening in different places ... gstreamer1.0 I guess
[09:54] <davmor2> seb128: right will do
[10:11] <davmor2> seb128: I've made this private as it contains the link to the file and I've subscribed you so you can pass it around and see what I see.  I'm going to do a fresh i386 install today and see if I see the same thing there too.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gstreamer1.0/+bug/1164928
[10:11] <ubot2`> davmor2: Error: launchpad bug 1164928 not found
[10:11] <seb128> davmor2, thanks
[10:13] <davmor2> seb128: precise and quantal both show the album art only raring that isn't, however it does show the online stuff in the dash until you download it :)
[11:09] <xnox> larsu_: I mean, I don't even understand how come it does work a bit actually after your review =)))))
[11:09] <xnox> will try to fix up later.
[12:53] <Sweetshark> seb128, bdrung: https://plus.google.com/u/0/101094190333184858950/posts/byfaUDmpYCn -- do we want to land that in raring proper still? if so, how so?
[13:40] <bdrung_> Sweetshark: i want it in raring. we need to have it in until 17th (the final freeze)
[13:46] <bdrung_> Sweetshark: can you prepare the release in git and provide the orig tarballs?
[13:47] <bdrung_> Sweetshark: btw, are you aware of bug #1153350?
[13:47] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1153350 in indicator-appmenu (Ubuntu) "LibreOffice4 Global Menu Items Do Not Highlight on Mouse Hover" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1153350
[13:53] <jhodapp> Laney, ping
[13:59] <bdrung_> Sweetshark: please also build depend on liblangtag
[14:00] <mpt> mterry, hi. I'm looking at bug 1077205. If there were, say, 20 updates, how long would it take for Software Updater to compile and display the changelogs for all of them, concatenated together? A second or two? Ten seconds? Thirty seconds?
[14:00] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1077205 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager should have a view that shows the changelogs together for all changes that that will be applied" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1077205
[14:00] <mterry> mpt, the delay in doing that is mostly network based.  We'd have to download each changelog separately
[14:01] <mterry> mpt, downloading one right now takes a second or two
[14:01] <mpt> hm
[14:02] <jhodapp> Laney, I'm curious if you have plans to package and push out the latest gst-plugins-bad v1.0.6? If not for a release, I am wondering if you could package it up for me for use in Ubuntu Touch development. Obviously I'd be interested in the armhf and -dev packages.
[14:08] <Laney> jhodapp: You caught me just as I got back from hols :-)
[14:08] <Laney> I'll look at that next week and see what the changes are
[14:08] <jhodapp> Laney, awesome :)
[14:09] <jhodapp> Laney, ok...not to put too much pressure on you because someone else might be able to help if you can't, but I'll be waiting on this package soon to continue my development
[14:09] <Laney> I assume monday will be fine :-)
[14:09] <jhodapp> Laney, absolutely
[14:09] <jhodapp> Laney, thanks for your willingness to help out
[14:09] <Laney> no worries
[14:22] <seb128> Laney, \o/
[14:22] <Laney> hey seb128
[14:22] <Laney> what's up?
[14:22] <seb128> Laney, had some good holidays?
[14:22] <seb128> Laney, just good to see you after those 2 weeks ;-)
[14:22] <seb128> Laney, enjoy your end of holidays w.e
[14:22] <Laney> lots of lovely walking, even if a bit snowy!
[14:23] <seb128> Laney, and don't forgot peer reviews if you didn't do those
[14:23]  * Laney mainly came online to delete email :P
[14:23] <seb128> ^ everybody as well
[14:23] <Laney> yeah I didn't - just got one to do this evening
[14:23] <seb128> that's to be done for today
[14:23] <Laney> need to go to the post office to get a delivery though, so later
[14:23] <seb128> Laney, have fun ;-)
[14:24] <Laney> bye!
[14:31] <Sweetshark> bdrung_: preparing in git and tarballs, sure cando. liblangtag nope, not in main.
[14:31] <seb128> desrt, hey, when do you plan to do a glib 2.36.1 release? just asking because I don't want to do 2 uploads and I'm pondering backporting those patches or waiting for a tarball
[14:31] <Trevinho> pitti: did you read my ping about logind and indicator-session?
[14:31] <bdrung_> Sweetshark: the MIR for liblangtag is approved (bug #1161087)
[14:31] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1161087 in liblangtag (Ubuntu) "[MIR] liblangtag" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1161087
[14:33] <desrt> seb128: i was planning to follow the schedule
[14:33] <desrt> ie: apr 15
[14:34] <Sweetshark> bdrung_: k, I still find it icky to do that change this late. Using the packaged liblangtab has no enduser testing on Ubuntu and only very limited testing on debian.
[14:35] <bdrung_> using the packaged liblangtab has the advantage of making SRUs simpler
[14:36] <bdrung_> there shouldn't be that big difference between the bundled and the packaged liblangtab, right?
[14:36] <seb128> desrt, sounds good, thanks
[14:42] <Sweetshark> bdrung_: no, there shouldnt. but the devil is in the details. "not tested" means "doesnt work (at least somewhere)". There are still things that can go wrong (e.g. doesnt link on armhf for example) that are really painful with a builds-in-a-day-package.
[14:43] <bdrung_> Sweetshark: does link on one arch, but not on the other?
[14:51] <Sweetshark> bdrung_: hey, liblangtab did only fail on armhf ;)
[14:52] <bdrung_> Sweetshark: yes and that an easy to detect and fixable problem :)
[15:09] <Sweetshark> bdrung_: true. k, I will add it, but you take full responsibility for that ;)
[15:53] <bdrung_> Sweetshark: okay. i hope that i wont regret it
[16:01] <jbicha> cyphermox: hey could you take a look into bug 1072518? restarting networking is a great way to crash Unity or GNOME Shell and things shouldn't be that fragile
[16:01] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1072518 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Restarting network crashes (apparently) the desktop manager" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1072518
[16:11] <cyphermox> ahah, cute
[16:15] <tkamppeter> jasoncwarner_, hi
[16:17] <pitti> Trevinho: no, I didn't
[16:18] <Trevinho> pitti: hey
[16:18] <Trevinho> pitti: it was about https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-session/+bug/1165027/
[16:18] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1165027 in indicator-session "Indicator-sound Hibernate/Suspend capabilities are inconsistent with unity dialogue" [Medium,In progress]
[16:18] <Trevinho> pitti: charles is working on it now, though
[16:19] <Trevinho> pitti: another thing I've noticed is that logind has not a way to inform that suspend/hibernate support changes...
[16:19] <Trevinho> pitti: but it seems to happen when installing a kernel
[16:20] <pitti> Trevinho: polkit-desktop-privileges got fixed today, to disallow hibernate in polkit the same way as it's disabled in upower
[16:21] <Trevinho> pitti: ah, so that bug is not valid in the sense that they're always showing the same value, isn't it?
[16:21] <pitti> Trevinho: not sure what you mean with this, but polkit will now disallow hibernate regardless of whether you ask upower or logind
[16:22] <rickspencer3> seb128, on my netbook, the ubuntuone control panel is not starting up, not sure what package to file a bug against, or is this a known issue?
[16:22] <Trevinho> pitti: mh, I mean that for example in my notebook logind is returning "yes" on CanHibernate, and Upower is returning false...
[16:22] <pitti> Trevinho: right, that's fixed now
[16:23] <seb128> rickspencer3, can you run "ubuntuone-control-panel-qt" and copy the output?
[16:23] <pitti> rickspencer3: ubuntuone-control-panel-qt starts here, FTR
[16:23] <seb128> wfm as well
[16:24] <rickspencer3> thanks pitti
[16:24] <rickspencer3> uh
[16:24] <rickspencer3> so that's not installed
[16:24] <rickspencer3> lol
[16:24] <rickspencer3> I wonder if that's part of the problem :)
[16:24] <Trevinho> pitti: cool
[17:05] <davmor2> seb128: so the raring i386 install from todays iso is displaying the same issues as my amd64 version ref the album art
[17:06] <seb128> davmor2, I'm unsure about the dash
[17:06] <seb128> but I think that rhythmbox/indicator-sound is a rhythmbox bug
[17:06] <seb128> I found a commit upstream I need to try
[17:07] <davmor2> seb128: from what I understand the dash pulls in from the RB db so that could be the cause there too maybe
[17:08] <davmor2> seb128: you have to open RB once before the dash shows your local music at least
[17:08] <seb128> oh ok, that makes sense
[17:08] <seb128> I will keep you updated
[17:09] <davmor2> seb128: if you package a fix I'm more than happy to confirm it
[17:11] <seb128> davmor2, thanks
[18:16]  * didrocks waves good evening and week-end!
[19:29] <cyphermox> jbicha: not much to say there but "then don't do that"
[19:29] <cyphermox> it's pretty much expected behavior:
[19:29] <cyphermox> sudo restart networking will run through the stopping part for that upstart job, which emits deconfiguring-networking
[19:29] <dobey> might anyone in here know the answer to http://askubuntu.com/q/278233/50737?sgp=2 ? rickspencer3 maybe?
[19:30] <cyphermox> jbicha: that's the stop condition for the system dbus bus
[19:30] <cyphermox> jbicha: so obviously lots of things belly-up
[19:30] <cyphermox> jbicha: I agree that gnome-settings-daemon shouldn't crash though, but you'll hardly get away with very many things working after doing that anyway
[19:31] <jbicha> cyphermox: I don't know much about upstart but is breaking the desktop really necessary?
[19:32] <cyphermox> necessary, no, but it's expected that things will go bad if you shut down dbus
[19:32] <cyphermox> I mean, everything is impacted by that
[19:32] <cyphermox> NetworkManager, upower, etc.
[19:33] <jbicha> it's necessary for dbus to be killed?
[19:35] <cyphermox> it's part of what needs to happen at shutdown, yes
[19:36] <cyphermox> and the networking job isn't meant to be used to do whatever people are trying to do with it
[19:37] <cyphermox> the best I can say, is that perhaps it could be renamed to avoid this kind of issue
[19:37] <cyphermox> bring up your concerns on the ubuntu-devel@ mailing list, I think this belongs being better investigated and discussed.
[19:37] <jbicha> ok thanks
[19:37] <cyphermox> but the quick answer is; networking isn't to be used for that, ifup and ifdown are the tools for the job
[19:38] <cyphermox> (or restarting the network-manager job)
[19:38] <cyphermox> there's further things that could explode just by restarting networking too, as it will at least bring up/down the lo interface.. you probably want to avoid that as much as possible
[19:42] <jbicha> well we could just mark the bug invalid and tell people to use sudo service network-manager restart if needed instead
[19:45] <cyphermox> well, there is a genuine bug in gnome-settings-daemon -- it should be crashing because of this
[19:45] <cyphermox> I updated the bug already
[20:40] <rickspencer3> hi dobey
[20:41] <rickspencer3> so, I don't think that functionality has been added to the sdk so far as I know
[20:41] <rickspencer3> dobey, I know they've recently added "side stage vs. main stage" though
[20:42] <dobey> sdk meaning the plug-in to qtcreator?
[20:43] <dobey> (hi :)
[20:43] <rickspencer3> dobey, no, I would think Ubuntu Components
[20:43] <rickspencer3> I would expect MainView would have an formFactorChanged signal or something that you can respond to
[20:44] <rickspencer3> but I don't know if it's been even really designed into the API yet, much less implemented
[20:44] <dobey> ok
[20:45] <dobey> so would basically have to have different builds for each format, right now?