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redtapeJust trying Gubuntu for first time .. here goes | back in an hour ... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/05:48
davmor2bigcalm: how much will it be ffitted?07:49
bootkigftrgdsWell Gubuntu works .. except for the software center (command line hell, I'm in again, today :(  )07:59
AlanBellis the ubuntu-gnome spin materially different to starting from an ubuntu unity install and adding gnome-shell?08:10
bigcalmdavmor2: 30 quid for fitting. I'm sure I could do it myself, but I'd rather have a professional mess about with trim. 2p less than £180 all in08:15
BigRedSAlanBell: starting from Xubuntu and Lubuntu still gets a Gnome with the unity wonkiness, so I don't see why a gnome remix wouldn't08:16
ali1234if you start with xubuntu and then install gnome it ends up not working at all08:17
ali1234just so you know08:17
BigRedSThe multiple "Online Accounts" thing is listed as a known issue, but with the suggestion that this might be fixed in 13.0408:18
ali1234for example, if you xdg-open any file it opens with nautilus no matter what type of file it is08:18
BigRedSali1234: I've two PCs running exactly that08:18
BigRedSXubuntu 12.10, installed whatever the gnome-shell desktop package is08:18
ali1234if you go from xubuntu to gnome you probably won't notice any of the things that it breaks08:18
ali1234becausee xubuntu is horribly broken to start with08:18
ali1234something similar happens if you install KDE on any version that isn't kubuntu08:19
BigRedSI went from Xubuntu 'cause that wsa the ISO I had knocking around; I don't use XFCE08:19
ali1234basically it doesn't work, never has, and probabyly never will08:19
BigRedSThere's lots of broken in Ubuntu's Gnome Shell, but it's workable.08:19
ali1234i'm not using shell08:19
BigRedSAnd, really, most of my problems are that online accounts thing08:20
ali1234online accounts doesn't even do anything or have any purpose08:20
BigRedSI've not found any other way to get my config into empathy08:20
ali1234yes, well, empathy doesn't do anything or have any purpose either08:21
BigRedSexcept to have not yet run it, and instead configure everything in pidgin, then start Empathy for the first time and have it migrate08:21
BigRedSEmpathy does jabber and integrates into a DE reasonably well08:21
BigRedSThat's more than most IM clients have going for them08:21
ali1234pidgin does jabber better than empathy does, and integrates into the desktop better than empathy does, plus it doesn't render all chats in annoying huge speech bubbles08:22
BigRedSI don't understand why notifications in general need be so much less useful than they used to be, but Empathy and Gnome-shell is my favourite pairing so far08:22
BigRedSI really like empathy's little pop-ups at the bottom of the screen08:22
ali1234that is gnome not empathy08:22
BigRedSEmpathy's the only IM client that uses them as far as I can tell08:22
BigRedSWhat else does?08:23
ali1234anything that uses notify-osd pops up at the bottom of the screen in gnome08:23
ali1234which means pidgin does it08:23
BigRedSAnd lets me type replies in there?08:23
ali1234i dunno, i don't use it08:23
BigRedSI've not found anything that does08:23
ali1234 turned off notifications because they are just annoying08:23
BigRedSI've not looked that hard for some time, but none of the extensuions I could find would do it either08:24
ali1234i also turned off system tray because it serves no purpose08:24
ali1234there is so much junk on the desktop that has no reason to exist08:24
BigRedSThat's what passes for per-app notifications now isn't it?08:24
ali1234lierally the only thing that you might need from the systray is the volume control08:24
ali1234and if you have multimedia keyboard you don't even need that08:25
BigRedSOh, the systray's the thing at the top?08:25
BigRedSyeah, that's the only place you get notifications that don't require that you see them when they come in08:25
ali1234but then it shows them to you anyway08:25
BigRedSI dont' get why the stuff on that autohidey thing at the bottom isn't on the panel at the top08:26
BigRedSif I'm always going to lose that 16px or whatever by default I'd rather it not be spent just showing a black stripe08:26
ali1234i don't know what you're talking about08:26
ali1234remember i don't use gnome shell08:26
BigRedSOh yeah08:26
ali1234sounds lke you are talking about some kind of dock08:27
BigRedSWhat are you using?08:27
BigRedSI'm more ranting than talking :) I should probably just do some work08:27
BigRedSOh blimey. Party like it's 2003 :)08:27
ali1234have you seen the new gnome classic?08:27
ali1234it's hilarious08:27
ali1234it only exists to look like gnome-panel in screenshots08:28
ali1234it still has all the same problems as gnome-shell when you actually use it08:28
SuperMattI actually quite enjoyed the symbiosis08:31
JamesTaitGood morning, people, happy Walk to Work Day! :-D08:33
AlanBelloh, I was going to cycle08:33
BigRedSI've already conceded to public transport08:33
BigRedSis that why I got a seat on the tube?08:33
AlanBellwell I have walked so far, but only down the stairs08:33
bigcalmI walked from bedroom to home office, does that count?08:47
czajkowskiBigRedS: you asked in #ubuntuone the folks there are really helpful when it comes to online accounts08:50
BigRedSczajkowski: no, it's not an ubuntu one problem, just an empathy one. They do that, too?08:52
czajkowskinot sure anyone can help with empathy but either there or in #ubuntu-destop08:54
czajkowskiwhich may be better as there are more people awake in this timezone08:54
BigRedSAllegedly, though, this is somehow fixed in 13.04 (or will be) so perhaps this problem will disappear in a few weeks :)08:56
mungbeancan someone do a tldr summary of the game risk?09:06
BigRedSDivvy the world up between players who have armies of a size based roughly on what proporportion of the world they control. Each turn is a (potential) war.  Objective is to control the whole world.09:08
mungbeanso a bit lame with 2 players09:08
BigRedSyeah, you'd basically have a cold war09:08
mungbeanhave lotr risk on shelf,never played/opened09:08
bootkigftrgdsAlanBell: I tried that some time ago .. and I can't remember now (to answer your question from 09:10am)09:09
MooDoohello all09:28
kvarleybigcalm: What's in the Ubuntu box09:28
MyrttiI am surprised, I managed to get my encrypted Galaxy Nexus to display over MTP just fine on the Debian09:29
* kvarley shudders ... MTP09:29
kvarleyIt'll be nice when Ubuntu supports it out of the box09:29
directhexthe problem with MTP is how many devices are out of spec09:30
directhexbut only slightly09:30
directhexso they need special casing09:31
kvarleydirecthex: Out of spec? So they're breaking standards?09:31
bigcalmStandards, like rules, are made for one thing09:37
MartijnVdSbigcalm: Yes. They exist so you can go "That doesn't quite apply to my situation", and invent a new one.09:41
MartijnVdSkvarley: Ubuntu supports it fine in raring09:42
MartijnVdSkvarley: I've been able to browse my Galaxy Nexus since early this year I think :)09:42
directhexwindows phone 8 works fine via mtp if you patch mtp's special casing list & just add it as a no-workarounds device09:42
davmor2Morning all09:42
MyrttiI am a bit surprised that the upgraded version isn't in Debian unstable09:43
Myrttibut it is in Raring.09:43
davmor2bigcalm: that's not a bad price for fitting to be fair09:43
MartijnVdSdirecthex: the new libmtp approach seems to be a lot better :)09:43
bigcalmdavmor2: I'm more than happy for it to happen somewhere locally by a large company09:43
directhexMartijnVdS, new approach?09:43
bigcalmdavmor2: yesterday's purchase came this morning, how quick?09:44
Myrttiatleast that's how I read packages.debian.org09:44
davmor2bigcalm: that's impressive, and is it everything you expected it to be?09:44
bigcalmdavmor2: the build quality is good. The output lacks bass, which is a shame. Otherwise thumbs up09:45
davmor2bigcalm: hows the nfc audio?09:46
Myrttibigcalm: what did you buy?09:48
kvarleyMartijnVdS: Yeah, I'm not on raring yet. I shied away from non-stable ubuntu releases after 12.10 caused me a lot of problems09:48
MartijnVdSdirecthex: old libmtp read every file on the device, and timed out on new Android09:48
bigcalmMyrtti: just tweeted the reveal :)09:48
Myrttioh, car stereo09:48
MartijnVdSdirecthex: new libmtp reads as-required09:48
Myrttimeh twitter, alright I'll go have look09:48
bigcalmMyrtti: no, DAB for my car is a separate order to be completed on Tuesday :)09:48
Myrttinfc? I didn't think that used NFC09:49
MartijnVdSit's bt or wifi.. unlikely to be nfs09:49
directhexMartijnVdS, but it doesn't touch devices it doesn't think are mtp09:49
MyrttiI thought it used black magic09:49
brobostigongood morning everyone,09:49
Myrttiie. neither wifi or bt09:49
bigcalmMyrtti: I'm with you on the bm09:49
MartijnVdSdirecthex: yes, that's still annoying09:49
MartijnVdSMyrtti: Scandinavians and their black magic.. :)09:50
davmor2Myrtti: nfc audio or it has a mic that picks up the sound an magnifies it09:50
bootkigftrgdsAren't black magic some kind of chocolates ??09:50
Myrttidavmor2: the latter I think is what we concluded the last time we looked it up09:50
bigcalmdavmor2: it does feel like it has a mic to do just that, but the audio quality is too high for that I think09:50
davmor2Myrtti: the spec does say nfc audio09:51
Myrttidavmor2: Near-FA is what I'm reading09:52
Myrtti"A NearFA™ speaker can magically amplify the sound of an iPhone (or other mobile devices) by just placing the iPhone next to the speaker without configuration."09:52
Myrttithey call it magic themselves09:52
Myrtticase closed09:52
dwatkinsI have an iPhone stand which uses a little chamber to amplify the sound from the speakers underneath.09:53
davmor2only worry when the magic smoke escapes09:53
bigcalmMyrtti: I'll be using it to play podcasts/spotify in the kitchen and hotel visits09:53
Myrttisounds good, it might even get less interference from a microwave oven than bluetooth09:54
MyrttiI've started to keep my phone on top of jar of Vanish that's next to our kitchen bluetooth speaker09:55
NET||abusehi guys. i'm in work and i wanted to pull the audio from my windows desktop through the headphones on my laptop, a pulse audio network method would be cool, but taking an audio 3.5mm cable connected the headphones out on the desktop the line in on the laptop.10:00
NET||abuseThere was no way to unmute or pipe line in audio to the pulse output, until i found parec | pacat10:00
NET||abuseso i have a terminal window livving off on another workspace all day with that running in it.10:01
NET||abuseBut is there a less raw, pulse volume manager integrated method to do this?10:01
NET||abuseparec and pcat come up in pa volume manager as their own app instances with volume sliders, so you can control the volume on the fly which is good,10:02
NET||abuseofcourese i added the --latency-msec=1 to both commands otherwise you end up with about 4 or 5 seconds delay on the audio.10:03
NET||abusebut otherwise, it's working10:03
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mungbeanyoutube auto captions are worse than useless http://ubuntuone.com/4yfHEwm0gb6o9ivODle89T11:10
MartijnVdSmungbean: they work well for clear voices with no background noise, in proper American English11:13
davmor2MartijnVdS: Have you heard Americans speak English, I think you'll find there is nothing English about it :)11:20
MartijnVdSdavmor2: I think it sounds vaguely Englishish11:33
* popey is having trouble finding a mod tool that works on osx11:47
popeyfor a friend11:47
davmor2popey: it's okay we know how much you love Apple products you can say it's for you :D11:49
* popey is getting a lunch made for him for doing this11:49
popeyif I can11:49
mgdma mod tool?11:50
DJonesIsn't a "mod tool" better known as a Vespa Scooter /me shows his age11:52
davmor2popey: what mod tool11:54
davmor2DJones: only if it has lots of wing mirrors11:54
* popey asks in #minecraft11:54
davmor2popey:  is this not what you are after then http://mcpatcher-hd-fix-mac.en.softonic.com/mac11:57
MartijnVdSSomething to edit .mod files?!11:57
Nafallopopey: http://milkytracker.org/?about11:57
popeyusing mcpatcher11:57
Nafallopopey: you supplied the context too darn late. I had already found milkytracker for you.12:00
Myrttiungrateful little git ;-)12:03
ali1234isn't mcpatcher written in java tho?12:51
ali1234i'm pretty sure i've used it on linux before so it must be12:51
mungbeananyone have a fixed rate halifax isa? having some problems adding to it12:52
penguin42mungbean: I've never tried doing anything on line with it12:54
* penguin42 always does phone or battles with the idiots in branch12:54
mungbeanhave a fixed rate fixed term one12:56
mungbeanthink i might have to open a new one12:56
penguin42yeh, I wouldn't expect to be able to add to an existing one12:57
mungbeanu can usually12:57
penguin42not my experience with the fixed rate stuff12:57
mungbeanlooking for a new airbrush12:57
mungbeannot sure whether to splash cash on a nice one considering i lost my man cave12:58
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kvarleyIs baking a multiarch Ubuntu live DVD possible?13:22
penguin42why wouldn't you just use a 32bit dvd? or you mean that can install either 32 or 64?13:27
kvarleypenguin42: Yes, I need to be able to boot either 32 or 64 depending on what the computer is. I see debian has a multi-arch disc so it is technically possible. I'll have to have a look at the build tools ubuntu uses13:39
mungbeanonly if u are doing it for fun, as the price of a dvd and dual dvd case is trivial compared to time taken to do this13:41
shaunoI'd think the biggest downside would be the space used.  most distros are already right up to the line (and sometimes dipping a toe over) on how much they can fit on install/live media13:44
shaunoso every binary you have to double up for x86/64 builds requires a sacrifice to disk space elsewhere13:45
MartijnVdS32-bit computers still exist!?! :P13:45
mungbeanmy eee pc13:45
kvarleyshauno: But it would still fit on a DVD, no?13:46
penguin42shauno: Well it crept past the line on CD, but on DVD I'd have thought there was space13:46
shaunodepends what you're starting off with :)  how many packages are on a livecd is a 'how long is a peice of string' issue, I can count it for you :)13:46
kvarleyI think the system will be XFCE, LibreOffice, Thunderbird and Firefox. That's it, all other apps aren't needed at this stage.13:51
czajkowskiBigRedS: how did the testing go15:47
bordererHas anyone loaded raspberrypi with ubuntu 12.04 server.17:21
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bordererThanks for that - it probibly saved me a lot of pain17:23
MartijnVdSUbuntu isn't really available for Raspberry Pi17:33
MartijnVdSthe Ubuntu ARM port is compiled for a newer version of ARM17:33
AlanBellindeed, it won't wokr17:33
AlanBellor work17:33
AlanBelluse raspbian, it is almost the same17:33
MartijnVdS♥ Raspbian17:33
AlanBellhttp://www.nicholsonspubs.co.uk/theoldthamesideinnlondonbridge/ <- release meetup venue17:33
MartijnVdSAlso, class 6 cards tend to have better random-access performance than Class 10 ones17:33
MartijnVdS(SD cards)17:34
MartijnVdSSciShow about Ada Lovelace: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBbVbqRvqTM17:36
bordererI have my Pi working with Raspian OK but always used Ubuntu17:36
MartijnVdSAlanBell: aww, two weeks before I'm in the country ;)17:38
redtape|renegadeAlanBell: How's the Barber-ing going ? .. or have you finished for now ?17:38
* redtape|renegade doesn't want that elephant conversation, again ! :-[17:42
MartijnVdSredtape|renegade: the one in the room, you mean?18:09
redtape|renegadeMartijnVdS: I feel sorry for him , he seems left out ! http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/006/325/Irrelephant%203.0.png18:14
MartijnVdSAzelphur: So.. how does it feel to be rich? :)18:15
MartijnVdSs/rich/filthy &/18:16
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AzelphurMartijnVdS: good, I'm actually trying to buy a house now18:47
Azelphurand get the business declared18:47
Azelphur5 months from poor and on benefits to buying a house, crazy.18:47
zleapAzelphur, what you been up to then18:48
Azelphurbtc trading18:48
zleapbtc ?18:48
MartijnVdSAzelphur: I saw a guy raffling his house in Canada 8-)18:48
Azelphurzleap: https://www.weusecoins.com/18:48
zleapoh bit coin18:48
AzelphurMartijnVdS: yea, I'll probably be buying for GBP of course ;)18:49
MartijnVdSAzelphur: for only £50 worth of btc18:49
Azelphurbut I've been searching for a place, and a mortgage advisor says I should be ok to get a mortgage18:49
MartijnVdSAzelphur: weisecoins = yours?18:50
AzelphurMartijnVdS: nope18:50
mungbeanAzelphur: how much did u make off btc bubble?18:51
Azelphurmungbean: I've been steadily profiting off BTC for a long while, but on this bubble I'm still profiting, I've made about 10k18:52
MartijnVdSNice :)18:52
Azelphurthe demand in UK surged, I was selling with a £40ish split, crazy.18:52
MartijnVdSAzelphur: we should have listened ;)18:52
AzelphurI have an uncanny ability to call the market18:52
AzelphurI have called every significant event so far and played every card correctly18:53
* MartijnVdS is holding on to a bought-at-$18 bitcoin18:53
ali1234"a" bitcoin18:54
MartijnVdSali1234: 1.0000000 :)18:54
ali1234i wanna buy something with bitcoin18:55
Azelphurali1234: pizza!18:55
MartijnVdSI think you can buy Azelphur a beer ;)18:55
ali1234and not reddit gold18:55
Azelphurali1234: You can get SSDs really cheap in USA often, MBS on otc will buy and reship for you18:55
AzelphurI got some good stuff via MBS from USA for cheap :D18:55
ali1234not a bad idea18:55
AzelphurI got 3 x 3TB HDD in the black friday sales18:56
Azelphur$99 a pop18:56
ali1234i don't really need any more computer stuff though18:56
Azelphurfound a house I like this morning within my budget, only problem is it's right around the corner from former serial killers house xD18:57
MartijnVdSAzelphur: does he still live there?18:58
mgdmthat's probably why it's within your budget18:58
Azelphurnah, they caught him18:58
Azelphurmgdm: haha18:58
MartijnVdSso what's the problem? :)18:58
Azelphurarea seems nice enough that said18:58
mgdm(not meaning to be insulting, Azelphur :)18:58
Azelphurmgdm: haha indeed18:59
Azelphurhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Tobin literally this guy lived on the end of the street xD18:59
Azelphur"Skeletal remains of a further two young women who went missing in 1991 were subsequently found at his former home in Margate, Kent." <-- end of street18:59
mungbeanu live margate?19:00
Azelphurbut besides that it's all quite nice really, area looks really nice, it's a crescent so would be quiet, lots of families and stuff living there, looks clean and quiet, etc :p19:00
mungbeanever been to th hornby centre?19:00
Azelphurso might go for that one19:00
Azelphurmungbean: nope19:00
mungbeanid be there every day19:01
AzelphurI didn't even know there was a hornby centre19:01
* Azelphur is a hermit19:01
ali1234Azelphur: you should open an exchange19:02
ali1234for the alt-chains19:02
* Azelphur shrugs19:02
ali1234doublec closed his19:03
ali1234there is a gap in the market19:03
Azelphuryea, I was actually working on one a while back but never finished it19:03
AzelphurI got scared with all the tax stuff and decided to stay under the radar19:03
mungbeani was your age in the dotcom bubble, it lookjs the same. virtual prices that mean nothing, inflated by speculators wanting a piece ofa action19:03
Azelphurmaybe when I get fully tax sorted, I will19:03
ali1234mungbean: yeah that whole internet thing was a fad right?19:03
mungbeanwell china.com portal site was an eca19:04
mungbeananything called a portal was suddenly worth millions for no reason19:04
ali1234the bubble already burst once on bitcoin19:05
MartijnVdSali1234: several times even19:05
mungbeannot properly19:05
ali1234i wouldn't go that far19:05
ali1234this is only the second time it's gone over $1019:06
Azelphurali1234: I'm likely to do a 10k buy soon :P19:10
Azelphurno risk no gain ;)19:11
AlanBellso who is the money coming from?19:16
AzelphurAlanBell: which money?19:16
AlanBellyour successful trading buying low and selling high is great, but someone must be on the short end of the stick19:16
ali1234people who actually use bitcoin19:17
AzelphurAlanBell: the unwashed masses I guess, the same goes with any stock trader19:17
mungbeanAlanBell: other speculators19:17
ali1234if you actually buy something with bitcoin you pay a premium19:17
AlanBellyeah, I am surprised there are enough regular people in the system for speculators to extract profit19:18
ali1234because those bitcoins end up getting sold at market19:18
ali1234there is a lot of manipulation too19:19
MartijnVdSthe latest Euro scares + lots of press make lots of people want to try/buy bitcoin as well19:19
MartijnVdSI've seen articles about Bitcoin in 4 major newspapers in the Netherlands alone19:20
MartijnVdSin the last week19:20
ali1234yeah that's driving the current bubble19:20
mungbeanduring the dotcom bubble,my friend began to think it impossible to lose, since everything was wildly fluctuating, but ultimately rising19:21
ali1234also money laundering, don't forget that19:21
mungbeanhe kept doubling pup his invesment in one particular company19:21
mungbeanand lost 10k19:22
mungbeani was buying shares in ARM that have only recently reached their dotcom prices19:22
ali1234why would you buy more if the price keeps rising?19:22
ali1234that right there is why speculators can make so much money19:22
mungbeanbecause u don't know when its gonna drop19:22
mungbeanfalse confidence19:22
mungbeanwhen it dropped, it aws like a knife19:23
ali1234it's like reverse-martingale or something19:23
MartijnVdSmungbean: a bit like Skrillex19:23
MartijnVdSmungbean: you never know when it's going to drop19:23
mungbeani had shares in kewill which went from £80 per shares to 45p19:23
ali1234if the price doubles you sell 50%19:23
ali1234if it doubles again you sell another 50%19:23
ali1234when it crashes you buy more19:23
mungbeannot if you get greedy19:23
mungbeangamblers' regret19:23
ali1234gambling is really dumb :/19:24
ali1234also gambling is a big driver of bitcoin19:24
ali1234satoshi dice spamming up the chain19:24
mungbeanethically i wouldn't speculate on it19:24
mungbeanwhat i did on shares in the 90s i told myself i was investing, but it wa sgambling really19:25
mungbeani mean morally, rather than ethically19:25
ali1234i already cashed ot my initial investment a long time ago so i cannot lose at this point19:25
mungbeanmaybe you dont have that tendency to gamble19:26
mungbeanwhich is good19:26
ali1234not at all19:26
ali1234especially pure chance games like dice19:26
ali1234it's just stupid19:26
ali1234you cannot ever win19:26
mungbeanit feeds greed and is horrible, i steer well away nowadays19:26
mungbeani got into fruit machines as a student. i never won, or could afford it19:27
ali1234the people that do it are literally addicted19:27
AlanBellyou should only gamble with money you don't want19:27
ali1234no, you should not even do that19:27
mungbeanagree with ali123419:28
ali1234there's literally no reason to do it unless you are in vegas getting comped for what you lose19:28
ali1234even then it would be less like hard work to just spend the money on a party and not have to stand there and roll dice or count cards or whatever19:28
mungbeanevery other shop in east end is a chicken shop or  a betting shop.19:31
mungbeanin one of the poorest parts of the country19:31
ali1234chicken shop? like fried chicken?19:31
mungbeanthey wouldnt be there if they didnt makje a packet19:31
ali1234or is this slang for pawn shop?19:31
mungbeanno, just chicken19:32
ali1234if you go on that site that has stuff you can download, you know the one19:32
ali1234you can search for a show called "gambling, addiction, and me: the real hustler"19:32
ali1234in that show he mentions this: in poor areas there are 3 pawn shops and 4 betting shops on the high street19:32
mungbeanbut the betting shops , how can they be every third shop in such a poor area?19:32
MartijnVdSmungbean: why do you think the area is poor?19:33
ali1234it's only like that in poor areas19:33
ali1234that's how you tell19:33
mungbeanits worse in poor areas19:33
ali1234you don't see pawn shops in rich areas19:33
mungbeanallegedly a very muslim area19:33
mungbeanwhich might reduce the number of customers(are muslims allowed to gamvblr)19:34
mungbeanbut they still do very well.19:34
MartijnVdSmungbean: officially, they're not.. not that it stops them, of course ;)19:34
mungbeanmaybe not, but i wonder what market research is done, and how19:35
mungbeanand who allows it? local council?19:36
mungbeanin the last 10 years gambling has exploded19:37
mungbeanads on the tv have proliferated19:37
mungbeanin place of alcohol and fags ads19:37
mungbeanAzelphur: they are doing make and paint days during easter :P http://www.hornby.com/hornby-visitor-centre/make-and-paint/19:37
mungbeanyou lucky boy19:37
Azelphurcool :D19:37
ali1234but easter was last week19:38
mungbeanu get to make a kit amd take it home19:38
ali1234oh, two weeks off school for the kids?19:38
ali1234anyway, what's wrong with fried chicken? it's the original fast food19:41
ali1234it's not even that bad for you compared with most others19:41
mungbeani like it,19:42
mungbeani was adding a fact to the story19:42
mungbeanchicken/betting/pub/chicken/betting/co-op/cash&carry/curry house/betting shop..19:43
ali1234you're lucky if you have a co-op19:43
ali1234i've lived in places where the only place to buy food in a 2 mile radius is the crisps at the off license19:43
ali1234and this is in the middle of a city19:44
ali1234plenty of betting shops tho ಠ_ಠ19:44
mungbeantrampoline clips on youvebeenframed...dont think this endswell20:23
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locodirhi guys anyone here?22:35
locodiri have a question regarding  ubuntu for server22:37
locodiri am pretty much new  to ubuntu i am using windows 2003 server on VM22:38
AlanBelllocodir: what is the question?22:39
locodiris ubuntu good for server ? how does it perform with apache and mysql22:40
AlanBellperforms just fine22:40
locodiris it recommended to use a different machine for server ?22:40
dwatkinsso long as it's not a slow system and has enough RAM, yeah, no problems22:41
dwatkinsdifferent from the virtual host, locodir?22:41
dwatkinsdepends on what sort of load you're talking - at home, I'd just put everything on one machine (although I probably wouldn't run Windows Server in a VM), but for enterprise systems, I'd keep them separate.22:41
AlanBellyeah, depends completely on load22:42
dwatkinsWhat does the Windows Server run?22:42
locodir i hv  it currently on  my pc on which i do  my dailys  the load isnt much as ihv just started working on my blog22:42
dwatkinsyou might be able to host that on linux too.22:42
AlanBellI would expect a single system to be faster for low loads but a spread out system to be capable of responding more linearly to high loads22:42
locodiri was bit worried about malware due to incoming connection from port 8022:43
AlanBellif you are using wordpress or another php application then always update it as soon as updates are available22:44
dwatkinsif you allow users to log in and upload their own PHP scripts, that's a risk.22:44
dwatkinsalso, look up 'denyhosts' if you do.22:45
dwatkins...or 'fail2ban'22:45
AlanBellif it is just a blog, and you keep wordpress updated it should be fine, thousands of people run it22:45
dwatkinsWhat are you hosting on Windows, locodir?22:45
locodiryeah  but my windows server 2003 would crash frequently22:46
dwatkinsthat doesn't sound good22:46
locodiri was just developing my own blog22:46
dwatkinsI'd be very concerned if my Windows server crashed; I have one at work that runs for weeks on end without any such problems.22:46
locodiri was using iis now i hv switched to apache22:46
locodirwell  but i guess it was kinda my fault as i had left very lil memory and space for vm and load was quite high22:47
dwatkinsthat shouldn't make it crash, but perhaps there's something else going on22:48
PyongyangHi All!22:48
locodirthats why im thinking of  making my old laptop the server with linux and then use ftp22:48
locodirmoreover which language would u prefer for web development django or php?22:50
dwatkinsI have a netbook as my home server, locodir - it runs really well.22:50
locodiri plan to make my lenovo  3000 n 200  as the new server22:52
PyongyangWe will destroy the USA and its allies22:54
PyongyangLong Live North Korea!22:55
* dwatkins adds Pyongyang to his ignore list22:57
locodiris django better than php for beginners?22:57
dwatkinsI suspect they're aimed at quite different environments.23:00
dwatkinsDjango appears to be aimed at making apps easily, PHP is a versatile language.23:00
dwatkinsI'm sure they both have their merits.23:00
locodiri started with django for a couple of months and now hv switched to php still not sure which one to go with23:01
dwatkinsI haven't written much PHP, I tend to use apps which have already been written, such as Wordpress.23:02
locodireven though django is pretty cool  to off in school23:02
dwatkinsto off?23:04
dwatkinsah right23:16

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