| === Hornet- is now known as Hornet | ||
| redtape | Just trying Gubuntu for first time .. here goes | back in an hour ... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/ | 05:48 |
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| davmor2 | bigcalm: how much will it be ffitted? | 07:49 |
| bootkigftrgds | Well Gubuntu works .. except for the software center (command line hell, I'm in again, today :( ) | 07:59 |
| AlanBell | is the ubuntu-gnome spin materially different to starting from an ubuntu unity install and adding gnome-shell? | 08:10 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: 30 quid for fitting. I'm sure I could do it myself, but I'd rather have a professional mess about with trim. 2p less than £180 all in | 08:15 |
| BigRedS | AlanBell: starting from Xubuntu and Lubuntu still gets a Gnome with the unity wonkiness, so I don't see why a gnome remix wouldn't | 08:16 |
| ali1234 | wat | 08:17 |
| ali1234 | if you start with xubuntu and then install gnome it ends up not working at all | 08:17 |
| ali1234 | just so you know | 08:17 |
| BigRedS | The multiple "Online Accounts" thing is listed as a known issue, but with the suggestion that this might be fixed in 13.04 | 08:18 |
| ali1234 | for example, if you xdg-open any file it opens with nautilus no matter what type of file it is | 08:18 |
| BigRedS | ali1234: I've two PCs running exactly that | 08:18 |
| BigRedS | Xubuntu 12.10, installed whatever the gnome-shell desktop package is | 08:18 |
| ali1234 | if you go from xubuntu to gnome you probably won't notice any of the things that it breaks | 08:18 |
| ali1234 | becausee xubuntu is horribly broken to start with | 08:18 |
| BigRedS | ubuntu-gnome-desktop | 08:18 |
| ali1234 | something similar happens if you install KDE on any version that isn't kubuntu | 08:19 |
| BigRedS | I went from Xubuntu 'cause that wsa the ISO I had knocking around; I don't use XFCE | 08:19 |
| ali1234 | basically it doesn't work, never has, and probabyly never will | 08:19 |
| BigRedS | There's lots of broken in Ubuntu's Gnome Shell, but it's workable. | 08:19 |
| ali1234 | i'm not using shell | 08:19 |
| BigRedS | And, really, most of my problems are that online accounts thing | 08:20 |
| ali1234 | online accounts doesn't even do anything or have any purpose | 08:20 |
| BigRedS | I've not found any other way to get my config into empathy | 08:20 |
| ali1234 | yes, well, empathy doesn't do anything or have any purpose either | 08:21 |
| BigRedS | except to have not yet run it, and instead configure everything in pidgin, then start Empathy for the first time and have it migrate | 08:21 |
| BigRedS | Empathy does jabber and integrates into a DE reasonably well | 08:21 |
| BigRedS | That's more than most IM clients have going for them | 08:21 |
| ali1234 | pidgin does jabber better than empathy does, and integrates into the desktop better than empathy does, plus it doesn't render all chats in annoying huge speech bubbles | 08:22 |
| BigRedS | I don't understand why notifications in general need be so much less useful than they used to be, but Empathy and Gnome-shell is my favourite pairing so far | 08:22 |
| BigRedS | I really like empathy's little pop-ups at the bottom of the screen | 08:22 |
| ali1234 | that is gnome not empathy | 08:22 |
| BigRedS | Empathy's the only IM client that uses them as far as I can tell | 08:22 |
| ali1234 | nope | 08:23 |
| BigRedS | What else does? | 08:23 |
| ali1234 | anything that uses notify-osd pops up at the bottom of the screen in gnome | 08:23 |
| ali1234 | which means pidgin does it | 08:23 |
| BigRedS | And lets me type replies in there? | 08:23 |
| ali1234 | i dunno, i don't use it | 08:23 |
| BigRedS | I've not found anything that does | 08:23 |
| ali1234 | turned off notifications because they are just annoying | 08:23 |
| BigRedS | I've not looked that hard for some time, but none of the extensuions I could find would do it either | 08:24 |
| ali1234 | i also turned off system tray because it serves no purpose | 08:24 |
| ali1234 | there is so much junk on the desktop that has no reason to exist | 08:24 |
| BigRedS | That's what passes for per-app notifications now isn't it? | 08:24 |
| ali1234 | lierally the only thing that you might need from the systray is the volume control | 08:24 |
| ali1234 | and if you have multimedia keyboard you don't even need that | 08:25 |
| BigRedS | Oh, the systray's the thing at the top? | 08:25 |
| ali1234 | yes | 08:25 |
| BigRedS | yeah, that's the only place you get notifications that don't require that you see them when they come in | 08:25 |
| ali1234 | but then it shows them to you anyway | 08:25 |
| BigRedS | I dont' get why the stuff on that autohidey thing at the bottom isn't on the panel at the top | 08:26 |
| BigRedS | if I'm always going to lose that 16px or whatever by default I'd rather it not be spent just showing a black stripe | 08:26 |
| ali1234 | i don't know what you're talking about | 08:26 |
| ali1234 | remember i don't use gnome shell | 08:26 |
| BigRedS | Oh yeah | 08:26 |
| ali1234 | sounds lke you are talking about some kind of dock | 08:27 |
| BigRedS | What are you using? | 08:27 |
| ali1234 | classic | 08:27 |
| BigRedS | I'm more ranting than talking :) I should probably just do some work | 08:27 |
| BigRedS | Oh blimey. Party like it's 2003 :) | 08:27 |
| ali1234 | have you seen the new gnome classic? | 08:27 |
| ali1234 | it's hilarious | 08:27 |
| ali1234 | it only exists to look like gnome-panel in screenshots | 08:28 |
| ali1234 | it still has all the same problems as gnome-shell when you actually use it | 08:28 |
| BigRedS | haha | 08:30 |
| SuperMatt | I actually quite enjoyed the symbiosis | 08:31 |
| JamesTait | Good morning, people, happy Walk to Work Day! :-D | 08:33 |
| AlanBell | oh, I was going to cycle | 08:33 |
| BigRedS | I've already conceded to public transport | 08:33 |
| BigRedS | is that why I got a seat on the tube? | 08:33 |
| AlanBell | well I have walked so far, but only down the stairs | 08:33 |
| bigcalm | I walked from bedroom to home office, does that count? | 08:47 |
| czajkowski | BigRedS: you asked in #ubuntuone the folks there are really helpful when it comes to online accounts | 08:50 |
| BigRedS | czajkowski: no, it's not an ubuntu one problem, just an empathy one. They do that, too? | 08:52 |
| czajkowski | not sure anyone can help with empathy but either there or in #ubuntu-destop | 08:54 |
| czajkowski | which may be better as there are more people awake in this timezone | 08:54 |
| BigRedS | Allegedly, though, this is somehow fixed in 13.04 (or will be) so perhaps this problem will disappear in a few weeks :) | 08:56 |
| mungbean | can someone do a tldr summary of the game risk? | 09:06 |
| BigRedS | Divvy the world up between players who have armies of a size based roughly on what proporportion of the world they control. Each turn is a (potential) war. Objective is to control the whole world. | 09:08 |
| mungbean | so a bit lame with 2 players | 09:08 |
| BigRedS | yeah, you'd basically have a cold war | 09:08 |
| mungbean | have lotr risk on shelf,never played/opened | 09:08 |
| bootkigftrgds | AlanBell: I tried that some time ago .. and I can't remember now (to answer your question from 09:10am) | 09:09 |
| MooDoo | hello all | 09:28 |
| kvarley | bigcalm: What's in the Ubuntu box | 09:28 |
| Myrtti | I am surprised, I managed to get my encrypted Galaxy Nexus to display over MTP just fine on the Debian | 09:29 |
| * kvarley shudders ... MTP | 09:29 | |
| kvarley | It'll be nice when Ubuntu supports it out of the box | 09:29 |
| directhex | the problem with MTP is how many devices are out of spec | 09:30 |
| directhex | but only slightly | 09:30 |
| directhex | so they need special casing | 09:31 |
| kvarley | directhex: Out of spec? So they're breaking standards? | 09:31 |
| directhex | yes | 09:31 |
| kvarley | Lame | 09:31 |
| bigcalm | Standards, like rules, are made for one thing | 09:37 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: Yes. They exist so you can go "That doesn't quite apply to my situation", and invent a new one. | 09:41 |
| bigcalm | :) | 09:41 |
| MartijnVdS | kvarley: Ubuntu supports it fine in raring | 09:42 |
| MartijnVdS | kvarley: I've been able to browse my Galaxy Nexus since early this year I think :) | 09:42 |
| directhex | windows phone 8 works fine via mtp if you patch mtp's special casing list & just add it as a no-workarounds device | 09:42 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 09:42 |
| Myrtti | I am a bit surprised that the upgraded version isn't in Debian unstable | 09:43 |
| Myrtti | but it is in Raring. | 09:43 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: that's not a bad price for fitting to be fair | 09:43 |
| MartijnVdS | directhex: the new libmtp approach seems to be a lot better :) | 09:43 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: I'm more than happy for it to happen somewhere locally by a large company | 09:43 |
| directhex | MartijnVdS, new approach? | 09:43 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: yesterday's purchase came this morning, how quick? | 09:44 |
| Myrtti | atleast that's how I read packages.debian.org | 09:44 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: that's impressive, and is it everything you expected it to be? | 09:44 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: the build quality is good. The output lacks bass, which is a shame. Otherwise thumbs up | 09:45 |
| davmor2 | Yay | 09:46 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: hows the nfc audio? | 09:46 |
| Myrtti | bigcalm: what did you buy? | 09:48 |
| kvarley | MartijnVdS: Yeah, I'm not on raring yet. I shied away from non-stable ubuntu releases after 12.10 caused me a lot of problems | 09:48 |
| MartijnVdS | directhex: old libmtp read every file on the device, and timed out on new Android | 09:48 |
| bigcalm | Myrtti: just tweeted the reveal :) | 09:48 |
| Myrtti | oh, car stereo | 09:48 |
| MartijnVdS | directhex: new libmtp reads as-required | 09:48 |
| Myrtti | ? | 09:48 |
| Myrtti | meh twitter, alright I'll go have look | 09:48 |
| bigcalm | Myrtti: no, DAB for my car is a separate order to be completed on Tuesday :) | 09:48 |
| Myrtti | nfc? I didn't think that used NFC | 09:49 |
| MartijnVdS | it's bt or wifi.. unlikely to be nfs | 09:49 |
| MartijnVdS | nfc | 09:49 |
| directhex | MartijnVdS, but it doesn't touch devices it doesn't think are mtp | 09:49 |
| Myrtti | I thought it used black magic | 09:49 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone, | 09:49 |
| Myrtti | ie. neither wifi or bt | 09:49 |
| bigcalm | Myrtti: I'm with you on the bm | 09:49 |
| MartijnVdS | directhex: yes, that's still annoying | 09:49 |
| MartijnVdS | Myrtti: Scandinavians and their black magic.. :) | 09:50 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: nfc audio or it has a mic that picks up the sound an magnifies it | 09:50 |
| bootkigftrgds | Aren't black magic some kind of chocolates ?? | 09:50 |
| Myrtti | davmor2: the latter I think is what we concluded the last time we looked it up | 09:50 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: it does feel like it has a mic to do just that, but the audio quality is too high for that I think | 09:50 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: the spec does say nfc audio | 09:51 |
| Myrtti | davmor2: Near-FA is what I'm reading | 09:52 |
| Myrtti | "A NearFA™ speaker can magically amplify the sound of an iPhone (or other mobile devices) by just placing the iPhone next to the speaker without configuration." | 09:52 |
| Myrtti | they call it magic themselves | 09:52 |
| Myrtti | case closed | 09:52 |
| dwatkins | I have an iPhone stand which uses a little chamber to amplify the sound from the speakers underneath. | 09:53 |
| davmor2 | only worry when the magic smoke escapes | 09:53 |
| bigcalm | Myrtti: I'll be using it to play podcasts/spotify in the kitchen and hotel visits | 09:53 |
| Myrtti | sounds good, it might even get less interference from a microwave oven than bluetooth | 09:54 |
| Myrtti | I've started to keep my phone on top of jar of Vanish that's next to our kitchen bluetooth speaker | 09:55 |
| NET||abuse | hi guys. i'm in work and i wanted to pull the audio from my windows desktop through the headphones on my laptop, a pulse audio network method would be cool, but taking an audio 3.5mm cable connected the headphones out on the desktop the line in on the laptop. | 10:00 |
| NET||abuse | There was no way to unmute or pipe line in audio to the pulse output, until i found parec | pacat | 10:00 |
| NET||abuse | so i have a terminal window livving off on another workspace all day with that running in it. | 10:01 |
| NET||abuse | But is there a less raw, pulse volume manager integrated method to do this? | 10:01 |
| NET||abuse | parec and pcat come up in pa volume manager as their own app instances with volume sliders, so you can control the volume on the fly which is good, | 10:02 |
| NET||abuse | ofcourese i added the --latency-msec=1 to both commands otherwise you end up with about 4 or 5 seconds delay on the audio. | 10:03 |
| NET||abuse | but otherwise, it's working | 10:03 |
| === pd is now known as pdunkley | ||
| mungbean | youtube auto captions are worse than useless http://ubuntuone.com/4yfHEwm0gb6o9ivODle89T | 11:10 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: they work well for clear voices with no background noise, in proper American English | 11:13 |
| MartijnVdS | "proper" | 11:14 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: Have you heard Americans speak English, I think you'll find there is nothing English about it :) | 11:20 |
| Nafallo | lol | 11:22 |
| MartijnVdS | davmor2: I think it sounds vaguely Englishish | 11:33 |
| * popey is having trouble finding a mod tool that works on osx | 11:47 | |
| popey | for a friend | 11:47 |
| popey | ☺ | 11:47 |
| davmor2 | popey: it's okay we know how much you love Apple products you can say it's for you :D | 11:49 |
| * popey is getting a lunch made for him for doing this | 11:49 | |
| popey | if I can | 11:49 |
| mgdm | a mod tool? | 11:50 |
| DJones | Isn't a "mod tool" better known as a Vespa Scooter /me shows his age | 11:52 |
| davmor2 | popey: what mod tool | 11:54 |
| popey | mcpatcher | 11:54 |
| davmor2 | DJones: only if it has lots of wing mirrors | 11:54 |
| * popey asks in #minecraft | 11:54 | |
| davmor2 | popey: is this not what you are after then http://mcpatcher-hd-fix-mac.en.softonic.com/mac | 11:57 |
| MartijnVdS | Something to edit .mod files?! | 11:57 |
| Nafallo | popey: http://milkytracker.org/?about | 11:57 |
| popey | using mcpatcher | 11:57 |
| Nafallo | popey: you supplied the context too darn late. I had already found milkytracker for you. | 12:00 |
| Myrtti | ungrateful little git ;-) | 12:03 |
| ali1234 | isn't mcpatcher written in java tho? | 12:51 |
| ali1234 | i'm pretty sure i've used it on linux before so it must be | 12:51 |
| mungbean | anyone have a fixed rate halifax isa? having some problems adding to it | 12:52 |
| penguin42 | mungbean: I've never tried doing anything on line with it | 12:54 |
| * penguin42 always does phone or battles with the idiots in branch | 12:54 | |
| mungbean | have a fixed rate fixed term one | 12:56 |
| mungbean | think i might have to open a new one | 12:56 |
| penguin42 | yeh, I wouldn't expect to be able to add to an existing one | 12:57 |
| mungbean | u can usually | 12:57 |
| penguin42 | not my experience with the fixed rate stuff | 12:57 |
| mungbean | looking for a new airbrush | 12:57 |
| mungbean | not sure whether to splash cash on a nice one considering i lost my man cave | 12:58 |
| === pdunkley is now known as Guest1047 | ||
| kvarley | Is baking a multiarch Ubuntu live DVD possible? | 13:22 |
| penguin42 | why wouldn't you just use a 32bit dvd? or you mean that can install either 32 or 64? | 13:27 |
| kvarley | penguin42: Yes, I need to be able to boot either 32 or 64 depending on what the computer is. I see debian has a multi-arch disc so it is technically possible. I'll have to have a look at the build tools ubuntu uses | 13:39 |
| mungbean | only if u are doing it for fun, as the price of a dvd and dual dvd case is trivial compared to time taken to do this | 13:41 |
| shauno | I'd think the biggest downside would be the space used. most distros are already right up to the line (and sometimes dipping a toe over) on how much they can fit on install/live media | 13:44 |
| shauno | so every binary you have to double up for x86/64 builds requires a sacrifice to disk space elsewhere | 13:45 |
| MartijnVdS | 32-bit computers still exist!?! :P | 13:45 |
| mungbean | my eee pc | 13:45 |
| kvarley | shauno: But it would still fit on a DVD, no? | 13:46 |
| penguin42 | shauno: Well it crept past the line on CD, but on DVD I'd have thought there was space | 13:46 |
| shauno | depends what you're starting off with :) how many packages are on a livecd is a 'how long is a peice of string' issue, I can count it for you :) | 13:46 |
| kvarley | I think the system will be XFCE, LibreOffice, Thunderbird and Firefox. That's it, all other apps aren't needed at this stage. | 13:51 |
| czajkowski | BigRedS: how did the testing go | 15:47 |
| borderer | Has anyone loaded raspberrypi with ubuntu 12.04 server. | 17:21 |
| bootkigftrgds | no | 17:22 |
| === bootkigftrgds is now known as redtape|renegade | ||
| borderer | Thanks for that - it probibly saved me a lot of pain | 17:23 |
| MartijnVdS | Ubuntu isn't really available for Raspberry Pi | 17:33 |
| MartijnVdS | the Ubuntu ARM port is compiled for a newer version of ARM | 17:33 |
| AlanBell | indeed, it won't wokr | 17:33 |
| AlanBell | or work | 17:33 |
| AlanBell | use raspbian, it is almost the same | 17:33 |
| MartijnVdS | ♥ Raspbian | 17:33 |
| AlanBell | http://www.nicholsonspubs.co.uk/theoldthamesideinnlondonbridge/ <- release meetup venue | 17:33 |
| MartijnVdS | Also, class 6 cards tend to have better random-access performance than Class 10 ones | 17:33 |
| MartijnVdS | (SD cards) | 17:34 |
| MartijnVdS | SciShow about Ada Lovelace: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBbVbqRvqTM | 17:36 |
| borderer | I have my Pi working with Raspian OK but always used Ubuntu | 17:36 |
| AlanBell | http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2329-1304-release-party/ | 17:37 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: aww, two weeks before I'm in the country ;) | 17:38 |
| redtape|renegade | AlanBell: How's the Barber-ing going ? .. or have you finished for now ? | 17:38 |
| * redtape|renegade doesn't want that elephant conversation, again ! :-[ | 17:42 | |
| MartijnVdS | redtape|renegade: the one in the room, you mean? | 18:09 |
| redtape|renegade | MartijnVdS: I feel sorry for him , he seems left out ! http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/006/325/Irrelephant%203.0.png | 18:14 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: So.. how does it feel to be rich? :) | 18:15 |
| MartijnVdS | s/rich/filthy &/ | 18:16 |
| === gortblast is now known as gortblast_ | ||
| === gortblast_ is now known as gortblast | ||
| Azelphur | MartijnVdS: good, I'm actually trying to buy a house now | 18:47 |
| Azelphur | and get the business declared | 18:47 |
| Azelphur | 5 months from poor and on benefits to buying a house, crazy. | 18:47 |
| zleap | Azelphur, what you been up to then | 18:48 |
| Azelphur | btc trading | 18:48 |
| zleap | ok | 18:48 |
| zleap | btc ? | 18:48 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: I saw a guy raffling his house in Canada 8-) | 18:48 |
| Azelphur | zleap: https://www.weusecoins.com/ | 18:48 |
| zleap | oh bit coin | 18:48 |
| Azelphur | MartijnVdS: yea, I'll probably be buying for GBP of course ;) | 18:49 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: for only £50 worth of btc | 18:49 |
| Azelphur | but I've been searching for a place, and a mortgage advisor says I should be ok to get a mortgage | 18:49 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: weisecoins = yours? | 18:50 |
| Azelphur | MartijnVdS: nope | 18:50 |
| mungbean | Azelphur: how much did u make off btc bubble? | 18:51 |
| Azelphur | mungbean: I've been steadily profiting off BTC for a long while, but on this bubble I'm still profiting, I've made about 10k | 18:52 |
| MartijnVdS | Nice :) | 18:52 |
| Azelphur | the demand in UK surged, I was selling with a £40ish split, crazy. | 18:52 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: we should have listened ;) | 18:52 |
| Azelphur | ;) | 18:52 |
| Azelphur | I have an uncanny ability to call the market | 18:52 |
| Azelphur | I have called every significant event so far and played every card correctly | 18:53 |
| * MartijnVdS is holding on to a bought-at-$18 bitcoin | 18:53 | |
| ali1234 | "a" bitcoin | 18:54 |
| ali1234 | lel | 18:54 |
| Azelphur | lol | 18:54 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: 1.0000000 :) | 18:54 |
| ali1234 | i wanna buy something with bitcoin | 18:55 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: pizza! | 18:55 |
| MartijnVdS | I think you can buy Azelphur a beer ;) | 18:55 |
| ali1234 | and not reddit gold | 18:55 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: You can get SSDs really cheap in USA often, MBS on otc will buy and reship for you | 18:55 |
| Azelphur | I got some good stuff via MBS from USA for cheap :D | 18:55 |
| ali1234 | not a bad idea | 18:55 |
| Azelphur | I got 3 x 3TB HDD in the black friday sales | 18:56 |
| Azelphur | $99 a pop | 18:56 |
| ali1234 | i don't really need any more computer stuff though | 18:56 |
| Azelphur | found a house I like this morning within my budget, only problem is it's right around the corner from former serial killers house xD | 18:57 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: does he still live there? | 18:58 |
| mgdm | that's probably why it's within your budget | 18:58 |
| Azelphur | nah, they caught him | 18:58 |
| Azelphur | mgdm: haha | 18:58 |
| MartijnVdS | so what's the problem? :) | 18:58 |
| Azelphur | area seems nice enough that said | 18:58 |
| mgdm | (not meaning to be insulting, Azelphur :) | 18:58 |
| Azelphur | mgdm: haha indeed | 18:59 |
| Azelphur | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Tobin literally this guy lived on the end of the street xD | 18:59 |
| Azelphur | "Skeletal remains of a further two young women who went missing in 1991 were subsequently found at his former home in Margate, Kent." <-- end of street | 18:59 |
| mungbean | u live margate? | 19:00 |
| Azelphur | yep | 19:00 |
| Azelphur | but besides that it's all quite nice really, area looks really nice, it's a crescent so would be quiet, lots of families and stuff living there, looks clean and quiet, etc :p | 19:00 |
| mungbean | ever been to th hornby centre? | 19:00 |
| Azelphur | so might go for that one | 19:00 |
| Azelphur | mungbean: nope | 19:00 |
| mungbean | :-o | 19:00 |
| mungbean | id be there every day | 19:01 |
| Azelphur | I didn't even know there was a hornby centre | 19:01 |
| * Azelphur is a hermit | 19:01 | |
| ali1234 | Azelphur: you should open an exchange | 19:02 |
| ali1234 | for the alt-chains | 19:02 |
| * Azelphur shrugs | 19:02 | |
| ali1234 | doublec closed his | 19:03 |
| ali1234 | there is a gap in the market | 19:03 |
| Azelphur | yea, I was actually working on one a while back but never finished it | 19:03 |
| Azelphur | I got scared with all the tax stuff and decided to stay under the radar | 19:03 |
| mungbean | i was your age in the dotcom bubble, it lookjs the same. virtual prices that mean nothing, inflated by speculators wanting a piece ofa action | 19:03 |
| Azelphur | maybe when I get fully tax sorted, I will | 19:03 |
| ali1234 | mungbean: yeah that whole internet thing was a fad right? | 19:03 |
| mungbean | well china.com portal site was an eca | 19:04 |
| mungbean | example | 19:04 |
| mungbean | anything called a portal was suddenly worth millions for no reason | 19:04 |
| ali1234 | the bubble already burst once on bitcoin | 19:05 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: several times even | 19:05 |
| mungbean | not properly | 19:05 |
| ali1234 | i wouldn't go that far | 19:05 |
| ali1234 | this is only the second time it's gone over $10 | 19:06 |
| mungbean | http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attraction_Review-g503912-d1943960-Reviews-The_Hornby_Visitor_Centre-Margate_Isle_of_Thanet_Kent_England.html | 19:07 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: I'm likely to do a 10k buy soon :P | 19:10 |
| Azelphur | no risk no gain ;) | 19:11 |
| AlanBell | so who is the money coming from? | 19:16 |
| Azelphur | AlanBell: which money? | 19:16 |
| AlanBell | your successful trading buying low and selling high is great, but someone must be on the short end of the stick | 19:16 |
| ali1234 | people who actually use bitcoin | 19:17 |
| Azelphur | AlanBell: the unwashed masses I guess, the same goes with any stock trader | 19:17 |
| mungbean | AlanBell: other speculators | 19:17 |
| ali1234 | if you actually buy something with bitcoin you pay a premium | 19:17 |
| AlanBell | yeah, I am surprised there are enough regular people in the system for speculators to extract profit | 19:18 |
| ali1234 | because those bitcoins end up getting sold at market | 19:18 |
| mungbean | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_bubble | 19:19 |
| ali1234 | there is a lot of manipulation too | 19:19 |
| MartijnVdS | the latest Euro scares + lots of press make lots of people want to try/buy bitcoin as well | 19:19 |
| MartijnVdS | I've seen articles about Bitcoin in 4 major newspapers in the Netherlands alone | 19:20 |
| MartijnVdS | in the last week | 19:20 |
| ali1234 | yeah that's driving the current bubble | 19:20 |
| mungbean | during the dotcom bubble,my friend began to think it impossible to lose, since everything was wildly fluctuating, but ultimately rising | 19:21 |
| ali1234 | also money laundering, don't forget that | 19:21 |
| mungbean | he kept doubling pup his invesment in one particular company | 19:21 |
| mungbean | and lost 10k | 19:22 |
| mungbean | i was buying shares in ARM that have only recently reached their dotcom prices | 19:22 |
| ali1234 | why would you buy more if the price keeps rising? | 19:22 |
| ali1234 | that right there is why speculators can make so much money | 19:22 |
| mungbean | because u don't know when its gonna drop | 19:22 |
| mungbean | false confidence | 19:22 |
| mungbean | when it dropped, it aws like a knife | 19:23 |
| ali1234 | it's like reverse-martingale or something | 19:23 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: a bit like Skrillex | 19:23 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: you never know when it's going to drop | 19:23 |
| mungbean | i had shares in kewill which went from £80 per shares to 45p | 19:23 |
| ali1234 | if the price doubles you sell 50% | 19:23 |
| ali1234 | if it doubles again you sell another 50% | 19:23 |
| ali1234 | when it crashes you buy more | 19:23 |
| mungbean | not if you get greedy | 19:23 |
| mungbean | gamblers' regret | 19:23 |
| ali1234 | gambling is really dumb :/ | 19:24 |
| ali1234 | also gambling is a big driver of bitcoin | 19:24 |
| mungbean | yes | 19:24 |
| ali1234 | satoshi dice spamming up the chain | 19:24 |
| mungbean | ethically i wouldn't speculate on it | 19:24 |
| ali1234 | ಠ_ಠ | 19:24 |
| mungbean | what i did on shares in the 90s i told myself i was investing, but it wa sgambling really | 19:25 |
| mungbean | i mean morally, rather than ethically | 19:25 |
| ali1234 | i already cashed ot my initial investment a long time ago so i cannot lose at this point | 19:25 |
| mungbean | maybe you dont have that tendency to gamble | 19:26 |
| mungbean | which is good | 19:26 |
| ali1234 | not at all | 19:26 |
| ali1234 | especially pure chance games like dice | 19:26 |
| ali1234 | it's just stupid | 19:26 |
| ali1234 | you cannot ever win | 19:26 |
| mungbean | it feeds greed and is horrible, i steer well away nowadays | 19:26 |
| mungbean | i got into fruit machines as a student. i never won, or could afford it | 19:27 |
| ali1234 | the people that do it are literally addicted | 19:27 |
| AlanBell | you should only gamble with money you don't want | 19:27 |
| ali1234 | no, you should not even do that | 19:27 |
| mungbean | agree with ali1234 | 19:28 |
| ali1234 | there's literally no reason to do it unless you are in vegas getting comped for what you lose | 19:28 |
| ali1234 | even then it would be less like hard work to just spend the money on a party and not have to stand there and roll dice or count cards or whatever | 19:28 |
| mungbean | every other shop in east end is a chicken shop or a betting shop. | 19:31 |
| mungbean | in one of the poorest parts of the country | 19:31 |
| ali1234 | chicken shop? like fried chicken? | 19:31 |
| mungbean | they wouldnt be there if they didnt makje a packet | 19:31 |
| ali1234 | or is this slang for pawn shop? | 19:31 |
| mungbean | no, just chicken | 19:32 |
| mungbean | fried | 19:32 |
| ali1234 | if you go on that site that has stuff you can download, you know the one | 19:32 |
| ali1234 | you can search for a show called "gambling, addiction, and me: the real hustler" | 19:32 |
| ali1234 | in that show he mentions this: in poor areas there are 3 pawn shops and 4 betting shops on the high street | 19:32 |
| mungbean | but the betting shops , how can they be every third shop in such a poor area? | 19:32 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: why do you think the area is poor? | 19:33 |
| ali1234 | it's only like that in poor areas | 19:33 |
| ali1234 | that's how you tell | 19:33 |
| mungbean | its worse in poor areas | 19:33 |
| ali1234 | you don't see pawn shops in rich areas | 19:33 |
| mungbean | allegedly a very muslim area | 19:33 |
| mungbean | which might reduce the number of customers(are muslims allowed to gamvblr) | 19:34 |
| mungbean | but they still do very well. | 19:34 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: officially, they're not.. not that it stops them, of course ;) | 19:34 |
| mungbean | maybe not, but i wonder what market research is done, and how | 19:35 |
| mungbean | and who allows it? local council? | 19:36 |
| mungbean | in the last 10 years gambling has exploded | 19:37 |
| mungbean | ads on the tv have proliferated | 19:37 |
| mungbean | in place of alcohol and fags ads | 19:37 |
| mungbean | Azelphur: they are doing make and paint days during easter :P http://www.hornby.com/hornby-visitor-centre/make-and-paint/ | 19:37 |
| mungbean | you lucky boy | 19:37 |
| Azelphur | cool :D | 19:37 |
| ali1234 | but easter was last week | 19:38 |
| ali1234 | -end | 19:38 |
| mungbean | 1st-14th | 19:38 |
| Azelphur | xD | 19:38 |
| mungbean | u get to make a kit amd take it home | 19:38 |
| ali1234 | oh, two weeks off school for the kids? | 19:38 |
| ali1234 | anyway, what's wrong with fried chicken? it's the original fast food | 19:41 |
| ali1234 | it's not even that bad for you compared with most others | 19:41 |
| mungbean | i like it, | 19:42 |
| mungbean | i was adding a fact to the story | 19:42 |
| mungbean | chicken/betting/pub/chicken/betting/co-op/cash&carry/curry house/betting shop.. | 19:43 |
| ali1234 | you're lucky if you have a co-op | 19:43 |
| ali1234 | i've lived in places where the only place to buy food in a 2 mile radius is the crisps at the off license | 19:43 |
| ali1234 | and this is in the middle of a city | 19:44 |
| ali1234 | plenty of betting shops tho ಠ_ಠ | 19:44 |
| mungbean | trampoline clips on youvebeenframed...dont think this endswell | 20:23 |
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| locodir | hi guys anyone here? | 22:35 |
| dwatkins | kinda | 22:37 |
| locodir | i have a question regarding ubuntu for server | 22:37 |
| locodir | i am pretty much new to ubuntu i am using windows 2003 server on VM | 22:38 |
| AlanBell | locodir: what is the question? | 22:39 |
| locodir | is ubuntu good for server ? how does it perform with apache and mysql | 22:40 |
| AlanBell | performs just fine | 22:40 |
| locodir | is it recommended to use a different machine for server ? | 22:40 |
| dwatkins | so long as it's not a slow system and has enough RAM, yeah, no problems | 22:41 |
| dwatkins | different from the virtual host, locodir? | 22:41 |
| dwatkins | depends on what sort of load you're talking - at home, I'd just put everything on one machine (although I probably wouldn't run Windows Server in a VM), but for enterprise systems, I'd keep them separate. | 22:41 |
| AlanBell | yeah, depends completely on load | 22:42 |
| dwatkins | What does the Windows Server run? | 22:42 |
| locodir | i hv it currently on my pc on which i do my dailys the load isnt much as ihv just started working on my blog | 22:42 |
| dwatkins | you might be able to host that on linux too. | 22:42 |
| AlanBell | I would expect a single system to be faster for low loads but a spread out system to be capable of responding more linearly to high loads | 22:42 |
| locodir | i was bit worried about malware due to incoming connection from port 80 | 22:43 |
| AlanBell | if you are using wordpress or another php application then always update it as soon as updates are available | 22:44 |
| dwatkins | if you allow users to log in and upload their own PHP scripts, that's a risk. | 22:44 |
| dwatkins | also, look up 'denyhosts' if you do. | 22:45 |
| dwatkins | ...or 'fail2ban' | 22:45 |
| locodir | yeah | 22:45 |
| AlanBell | if it is just a blog, and you keep wordpress updated it should be fine, thousands of people run it | 22:45 |
| dwatkins | What are you hosting on Windows, locodir? | 22:45 |
| locodir | yeah but my windows server 2003 would crash frequently | 22:46 |
| dwatkins | that doesn't sound good | 22:46 |
| locodir | i was just developing my own blog | 22:46 |
| dwatkins | I'd be very concerned if my Windows server crashed; I have one at work that runs for weeks on end without any such problems. | 22:46 |
| locodir | i was using iis now i hv switched to apache | 22:46 |
| locodir | well but i guess it was kinda my fault as i had left very lil memory and space for vm and load was quite high | 22:47 |
| dwatkins | that shouldn't make it crash, but perhaps there's something else going on | 22:48 |
| Pyongyang | Hi All! | 22:48 |
| locodir | thats why im thinking of making my old laptop the server with linux and then use ftp | 22:48 |
| locodir | moreover which language would u prefer for web development django or php? | 22:50 |
| dwatkins | I have a netbook as my home server, locodir - it runs really well. | 22:50 |
| locodir | i plan to make my lenovo 3000 n 200 as the new server | 22:52 |
| Pyongyang | We will destroy the USA and its allies | 22:54 |
| Pyongyang | Long Live North Korea! | 22:55 |
| * dwatkins adds Pyongyang to his ignore list | 22:57 | |
| locodir | is django better than php for beginners? | 22:57 |
| dwatkins | I suspect they're aimed at quite different environments. | 23:00 |
| dwatkins | Django appears to be aimed at making apps easily, PHP is a versatile language. | 23:00 |
| dwatkins | I'm sure they both have their merits. | 23:00 |
| locodir | i started with django for a couple of months and now hv switched to php still not sure which one to go with | 23:01 |
| dwatkins | I haven't written much PHP, I tend to use apps which have already been written, such as Wordpress. | 23:02 |
| locodir | even though django is pretty cool to off in school | 23:02 |
| dwatkins | to off? | 23:04 |
| locodir | show" | 23:06 |
| dwatkins | ah right | 23:16 |
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