[05:31] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[06:34] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[06:53] <superfly> hi Kilos
[06:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[06:57] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:57] <superfly> ohi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:00] <Kilos> hi henkj 
[07:02] <henkj> hi kilos
[07:06] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[07:06] <magespawn> good morning y'all
[07:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'ello
[07:20] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:21] <Kilos> môre inetpro 
[07:32] <Vince-0> Hii
[07:34] <Squirm> morning
[07:45] <Kilos> yo Squirm 
[07:50] <Squirm> oooh
[07:50] <Squirm> skiing time
[07:55] <magespawn> nice, cold but nice
[07:55] <Squirm> sun's out
[07:55] <Squirm> but yes, cold
[07:55] <Squirm> snowed on the berg night before last
[07:55] <magespawn> have not seen that much snow for a very long time
[07:55] <Squirm> last skii before winter :/
[07:56] <magespawn> i would have thought you could do more skiing in winter
[07:56] <Squirm> magespawn: where you now?
[07:56] <Squirm> lol
[07:56] <Squirm> water skiing
[07:56] <Squirm> :/
[07:56] <magespawn> hluhluwe
[07:56] <magespawn> ahh right
[07:56] <magespawn> lol
[07:56] <Squirm> oh, thought you may have been up this way
[07:59] <Squirm> bbl
[07:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-o
[08:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> i just my life insurance renewal notice, and i realised that it still lists me as a smoker. i quit in mid-2010 already! :'(
[08:00] <Squirm> :P
[08:00] <Squirm> lol
[08:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> i accidentally a word :-/
[08:00] <Kilos> ai!
[08:00] <Squirm> oh yes, bbl
[08:01] <Kilos> enjoy Squirm 
[08:11] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: still not smoking, well done! You must be the only one... :-(
[08:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah pretty much
[08:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe Sully too
[08:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> but the rest quit quitting :)
[08:12] <superfly> Indeed
[08:36] <Kilos> hi Tonberry 
[08:36] <Tonberry> hallo
[09:30] <inetpro> goeie more Kilos, and others
[09:30] <Kilos> dga boetie
[09:30] <Kilos> dag ook
[10:17] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za 
[10:17] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[10:19] <magespawn> hey Trixar_za
[10:31] <magespawn> Kilos you still enjoying KDE?
[10:31] <Kilos> yip and maverick magespawn 
[10:31] <Kilos> chicken to put unity on the maverick drive
[10:36] <Kilos> i wish i understood more of how things work
[10:37] <Kilos> like with an external or stick plugged in 10.10 can right click and format it.
[10:37] <Kilos> is it possible to get that function working on 12.04
[10:38] <magespawn> not sure
[10:38] <magespawn> i am still learning my way around kde
[10:38] <Kilos> methinks that will be the dev guys that know that
[10:38] <magespawn> i never really used unity that much
[10:39] <Kilos> even on kde it would be nice to have
[10:39] <Kilos> i dont fancy all the partition manager and disk utilities and things
[10:42] <Kilos> ohi psyatw 
[10:44] <psyatw> hi Kilos 
[10:47] <magespawn> hey psyatw
[10:49] <psyatw> hi magespawn 
[11:27] <Kilos> kde takes some getting used to hey magespawn ?
[11:27] <Kilos> hehe
[11:32] <psyatw> Kilos, I am finishing my papers for getting hired in Poland starting one month from now
[11:32] <psyatw> so that's why I'm away from the computer and the chat for now
[11:32] <Kilos> great. everything seems to take so long hey
[11:32] <psyatw> yeah
[11:32] <Kilos> np. once you are there you will have internet all the time
[11:32] <psyatw> this has been going for three weeks now, but at least I'll have a job soon
[11:33] <psyatw> of course
[11:33] <psyatw> and I can finally be here all the time, even if I'm not able to talk when I'm at work
[11:33] <Kilos> oh did you read the mail that maia posted for photos or postcards from you guys all over the world
[11:33] <Kilos> ?
[11:34] <psyatw> oh, I haven't read much mail lately unfortunately
[11:34] <psyatw> I will give you my picture soon, maybe even a postcard from here in the Netherlands and soon Poland
[11:35] <psyatw> or her, I mean
[11:35] <Kilos> she i starting a collection of all the ubuntu guys worldwide or something
[11:35] <psyatw> yeah, it's a really cool initiative
[11:37] <Kilos> im not sure if its just guys on our mailing list or not
[11:37] <Kilos> never remember what i read
[11:38] <psyatw> I've been too focused on finding a job for the past few months and finishing what I have to do here to read mailing lists, but I'll try to catch up soon
[11:38] <Kilos> cool
[12:23] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[12:23] <theblazehen> hi Kilos 
[12:25] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg_w 
[12:33] <SmilyBorg_w> hey there
[13:55] <magespawn> guya i am stuck here, how do i change the size of the icons in a panel on kde?
[14:01] <Kilos> oh
[14:01] <Kilos> settings
[14:01] <Kilos> um
[14:01] <Kilos> second one from the top left i think
[14:01] <Kilos> or is that unity
[14:01] <Kilos> lemme boot from kde quick magespawn 
[14:05] <Kilos-> hmm.. you still here magespawn 
[14:05] <Kilos-> helloooooo
[14:05] <magespawn> hey kilos
[14:05] <Kilos-> cooowweeeeee
[14:06] <Kilos-> hehe
[14:06] <Kilos-> system settings
[14:06] <Kilos-> top left the second one then fonts
[14:06] <magespawn> and then ?
[14:06] <Kilos-> then you will see lotsa things on the tight
[14:07] <Kilos-> choose they are called
[14:07] <Kilos-> click on choose and tick on the size you want in the popup
[14:08] <magespawn> Kilos i am looking to adjust the size of the icons in the panel
[14:08] <Kilos-> what is the panel?
[14:09] <magespawn> the start bar 
[14:09] <Kilos-> that bottom bar thing?
[14:09] <magespawn> yes
[14:09] <Kilos-> one of those settings makes it all bigger in the panel
[14:09] <Kilos-> maybe toolbar
[14:09] <magespawn> yes how to make it smaller?
[14:10] <Kilos-> wow how big is it?
[14:10] <magespawn> like half my screen
[14:10] <Kilos-> wow
[14:10] <Kilos-> what did you do?
[14:10] <Kilos-> mines like 5mm
[14:10] <magespawn> don't know or i would simple reverse it
[14:11] <magespawn> the bar itself is not the problem, the icons in it are
[14:11] <Kilos-> is that bar really half your screen?
[14:11] <magespawn> 1/3
[14:12] <Kilos-> the smaller the bar the smaller the icons
[14:12] <magespawn> no
[14:12] <magespawn> wait now they are resizing hold on
[14:13] <Kilos-> kde you have to tick apply with everything
[14:13] <Kilos-> bottom right
[14:14] <Kilos-> of that window you working in of course
[14:14] <magespawn> plasma desktop just crashed
[14:14] <Kilos-> crashed gone?
[14:15] <magespawn> yup
[14:15] <Kilos-> oh my no text mode or anything?
[14:15] <magespawn> restarted itself, busy submitting the crsh report now
[14:16] <Kilos-> before closing down do sudo touch /forcefsck and it should clean up on reboot
[14:16] <magespawn> no, blank screen
[14:16] <magespawn> no need, the desktop retarted itself
[14:17] <Kilos-> i see it seems to do a short fsck on its own every reboot
[14:17] <magespawn> fsck is for disk problems, hopefully this is not one of those
[14:17] <Kilos-> if you kill the boot splash you can see what its doing on boot
[14:18] <Kilos-> no man
[14:18] <Kilos-> file system checker
[14:18] <magespawn> ahh well
[14:18] <magespawn> what was wierd here was i would resize the panel, but the icons would stay big
[14:19] <Kilos-> even after you tick apply?
[14:20] <magespawn> yup looked very strange
[14:20] <Kilos-> wow
[14:21] <magespawn> seems fine now though
[14:22] <Kilos-> weird
[14:23] <magespawn> maybe had something to do with a full hard drive again
[14:23] <magespawn> very small drive only 20gig
[14:24] <Kilos-> how did you fill it?
[14:24] <Kilos-> and did you look at the details in the crash report
[14:25] <magespawn> data recovery again
[14:26] <magespawn> something caused a segmentation fault
[14:27] <Kilos> pc just hung
[14:27] <Kilos> pulled modem and it revived
[14:27] <Kilos> first time any probs on this kde
[14:28] <Kilos> its bad stuff coming from the net somewhere methinks
[14:30] <Kilos> one of billy's paid anti linux hackers
[14:30] <magespawn> here is a paste of the crash report details http://slexy.org/view/s218ttjJTc
[14:31] <Kilos> you need someone like the fly or the weed to look at that
[14:32] <Kilos> or do you understand all that?
[14:33] <magespawn> no clue what it means
[14:34] <Tonberry> plasma desktop tends to die on me every once in a while
[14:34] <Tonberry> usually it auto restarts
[14:34] <Tonberry> or you can manually run it with alt-f2
[14:36] <magespawn> ty Tonberry
[14:38] <Kilos> maybe it needs some updating. i just did a reinstall with muon and it fetched a meg even though everything is supposed to be up to date
[14:40] <magespawn> i will check that as soon as the crash report is done
[14:40] <magespawn> busy getting some debug symbols
[14:51] <Kilos> do you use muon magespawn ?
[14:51] <magespawn> yes
[14:51] <Kilos> the kde synaptic
[15:06] <Kilos> wow magespawn  i typed plasma in muon and ticked all the stuff installed to reinstall and it wants to fetch another 105m
[15:07] <Kilos> so somewhere apt-get is slipping up
[15:09] <Kilos> 67m is kde wallpapers i see
[15:09] <Kilos> but they showed as installed
[15:10] <Kilos> grrr
[15:11] <magespawn> maybe there are new ones
[15:13] <magespawn> anyway i am off home, chat later
[15:14] <Kilos> ok
[16:19] <Kilos> hi georgelappies 
[16:19] <georgelappies> hi Kilos 
[16:19] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[16:19] <georgelappies> thanks :)
[16:19] <Kilos> have you been here before?
[16:20] <georgelappies> nope, first time. Only seen the link now on distrowatch to http://ubuntu-za.org/ and from there the irc link
[16:21] <Kilos> ah our advertising is bad i think
[16:22] <Kilos> with the lappies bit you must be south african hey?
[16:22] <georgelappies> ja I am South African, from Secunda in Mpumalanga actually
[16:23] <Kilos> ah. and you are using ubuntu?
[16:23] <Kilos> which flavour?
[16:23] <georgelappies> yeah, been using it for a while, since 8.04 actually :)
[16:23] <georgelappies> Ubuntu, Unity
[16:24] <Kilos> great so you come to teach and help others
[16:24] <Kilos> lol
[16:24] <georgelappies> lol
[16:24] <georgelappies> started using Linux in about 1998 with SuSE 7.0 ]
[16:25] <Kilos> wow you a ballie in the game
[16:25] <georgelappies> lol, I presume you are also from SA
[16:26] <Kilos> this is our community help channel. so if you know of peeps that need linux help tell them about us
[16:26] <Kilos> yeah im in pta
[16:26] <Kilos> but im the one that needs the most help normally
[16:27] <Kilos> we have dev guys here and python experts and all kinds
[16:27] <georgelappies> cool, will do so. Which flavour are you running?
[16:27] <georgelappies> that's cool 
[16:28] <Kilos> at the moment 12.04 kubuntu. but also use 10.10 and fight with unity
[16:28] <Kilos> you need to join our mailing list
[16:28] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/MCOujZ
[16:28] <georgelappies> Kubuntu is nice, but for some reason every KDE based distro freezes my laptop 
[16:29] <Kilos> i prefered gnome2 but what choice do we have
[16:30] <Kilos> thats why i still have 10.10 on one drive
[16:30] <georgelappies> started happening around Kubuntu 12.04, 11.10 still worked fine, but something inside kwin or the kdelibs changed in KDE between those two version. And now, I am guaranteed a lockup with arcade game bootup screen flickering within 10 minutes :(
[16:31] <Kilos> ouch. maybe the guys can think of a way around it for you. we have kde pros too
[16:31] <georgelappies> mmmmm, some text in my previous reply went missing, was supposed to read between 11.10 and 12.04 
[16:33] <Kilos> kde uses more resources than the others methinks
[16:34] <Kilos> but i like that it does app installs faster than unity
[16:34] <georgelappies> Well, I must be honest I am taking to Unity lately
[16:35] <Kilos> i like it as well but 12.04 gives big probs getting 3g working
[16:35] <georgelappies> that's not cool, which modem is it?
[16:35] <Kilos> what do you do in secunda?
[16:36] <Kilos> an alcatel from saudi arabia
[16:36] <Kilos> hehe
[16:36] <Kilos> only 12.04 has the probs though
[16:36] <georgelappies> I am an application specialist
[16:37] <Kilos> lekker
[16:37] <georgelappies> we do high density laser scanning of petrochemical plants and model the plants in 3D modeling software for engineering analyses etc.
[16:38] <Kilos> whew
[16:39] <georgelappies> pity that none of the software works on Linux though, everything is windows based
[16:39] <Kilos> not many here use unity so it will be good to have you around  when someone has probs
[16:40] <kbmonkey> hello all :)
[16:40] <Kilos> yeah thats the biggest prob hey
[16:40] <Kilos> hiya kbmonkey wb
[16:40] <kbmonkey> hello Kilos. I missed you all.
[16:40] <georgelappies> will gladly assist where I can
[16:40] <Kilos> we miss you as well kbmonkey 
[16:40] <Kilos> wassup
[16:40] <kbmonkey> tgif
[16:41] <Kilos> ty georgelappies 
[16:41] <Kilos> kbmonkey: meet georgelappies 
[16:41] <georgelappies> hi kbmonkey 
[16:41] <Kilos> kbmonkey: is our on and off meeting chairperson georgelappies 
[16:42] <georgelappies> ok, cool. Where do the meetings generally take place?
[16:42] <Kilos> next meeting in ten days kbmonkey 
[16:42] <Kilos> here at 19.30 on the third monday of each month
[16:43] <georgelappies> great
[16:43] <Kilos> what irc client are you using georgelappies 
[16:43] <georgelappies> XChat
[16:43] <Kilos> cool i love xchat
[16:43] <Kilos> not happy on kde though
[16:43] <georgelappies> normal one, not the gnome one ;) yeah on GTK it is the best
[16:43] <Kilos> no sound
[16:44] <Kilos> yeah the gnome one sucks
[16:44] <georgelappies> on KDE quassel is quite good
[16:45] <Kilos> i prefer konversation. can configure it to be same as xchat with the same alert
[16:45] <Kilos> bell.ogg
[16:45] <Kilos> took a while though
[16:46] <georgelappies> there are a few basic apps I cannot go without: gvim, hotot, xchat, liferea and chrome :)
[16:47] <Kilos> and no pidgin?
[16:49] <kbmonkey> hey I should maybe give gvim a try
[16:50] <georgelappies> not really into im ;)
[16:50] <Kilos> ah
[16:50] <Kilos> best way to get help here though. and for me to keep in touch with family on mxit
[16:55] <kbmonkey> I have it in my calendar Kilos, thanks for your reminders. You are always spot on!
[16:55] <Kilos> hi not_found 
[16:55] <not_found> o/
[16:55] <kbmonkey> hi not_found 
[16:55] <Kilos> gotta keep you younguns on your toes kbmonkey 
[16:56] <kbmonkey> indeed ;)
[16:56] <Kilos> hehe
[16:58] <not_found> how are you all this fine evening?
[16:58] <Kilos> good ty not_found , and you?
[16:58] <Kilos> at work?
[16:59] <kbmonkey> very well after that nice burger :]
[16:59] <not_found> home... switching to night tomorrow 
[16:59]  * not_found had SFC (KFC's cousin :p)
[16:59] <Kilos> hehe
[16:59] <Kilos> spiced with dates?
[16:59] <not_found> lol
[17:00] <not_found> no with chicen
[17:00] <not_found> *chicken
[17:00] <Kilos> and boiled in camel milk
[17:00] <kbmonkey> hahaha!
[17:00] <kbmonkey> with some added horse
[17:01] <not_found> :(
[17:01] <Kilos> shame
[17:01] <Kilos> sorry
[17:01] <not_found> lol
[17:02] <kbmonkey> I have wesley's burgers
[17:02] <kbmonkey> best in town
[17:03] <Kilos> not_found: meeting the 15th hey
[17:03] <Kilos> sort you lifestyle around that date
[17:03] <not_found> future is cloudy, blinded am I by the darkside...
[17:03] <Kilos> lol
[17:04] <Kilos> georgelappies: not_found is a za guys working in the UAE
[17:04] <Kilos> guy
[17:06] <kbmonkey> bend over and my darkside you will see
[17:09] <not_found> >.<
[17:12] <kbmonkey> lol
[17:12] <kbmonkey> I hear there is a comicon in CT soon
[17:42] <Kilos> sharks struggling not_found 
[17:42] <Kilos> sigh
[17:52] <kbmonkey> oh dear. they had a big victory last time though
[17:54] <Kilos> the crusaders are tough
[17:56] <Kilos> kbmonkey: you still on crunchbang?
[17:56] <Kilos> crashbang. whatever
[18:00] <not_found> kbmonkey, comic con this weekend in Duabi... and I am working :'(
[18:01] <not_found> sorry uncle Kilos, not really following the rugby that diligently 
[18:01] <Kilos> np
[18:05] <not_found> kbmonkey, awesome ted talk about asking, thanks for sharing...
[18:14] <kbmonkey> yeah, amanda palmer is amazing. I love her music.
[18:20] <not_found> doesn't sound like my cup of tea :p
[18:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> hello nighttime peoples
[18:38] <smile4ever> bye :)
[18:40] <Kilos> ohi ThatGraemeGuy 
[18:41]  * ThatGraemeGuy smiles and waves
[18:41] <inetpro> Ubuntu 13.04, scheduled for release on April 25, is now available for testing in its second and final beta release
[18:41] <Kilos> yo inetpro 
[18:42] <inetpro> ho Kilos
[18:42] <Kilos> this drive with kde also started the disk sleep thing
[18:42] <Kilos> removed one 1g ram and so far so good
[18:42] <Kilos> maybe my 160g drive is ok
[18:45]  * Kilos holding thumbs for the sharks
[18:47] <inetpro> Kilos: are they playing now?
[18:47] <Kilos> yes last 2.5 mins
[18:47] <inetpro> score
[18:47] <inetpro> ?
[18:48] <Kilos> only beat the crusadres 3 times out of 18 games
[18:48] <Kilos> 21/17
[18:48] <Kilos> tonight will be the 4th time i hope
[18:51]  * inetpro running mplayer mms://196.35.68.110/rsg_22
[18:52] <Kilos> whats that?
[18:52] <inetpro> pragtig! Dankie Kilos
[18:52] <Kilos> w000t
[18:53] <inetpro> Kilos: aptitude show mplayer
[18:54] <inetpro> Kilos: actually vlc also works with that
[18:54] <Kilos> ya man but what were you watching on it
[18:54] <inetpro> Kilos: listening RSG
[18:54] <Kilos> oh
[18:54] <Kilos> thats clever
[18:55] <Kilos> see we got a new clever guy
[18:56] <inetpro> Kilos: huh?
[18:56] <Kilos> we must do something about this channel
[18:56] <Kilos> he has been on ubuntu for years and only found us now
[18:56]  * inetpro goes to read backlogs
[18:56] <Kilos> georgelappies:  say hi to inetpro  a kde man
[18:57] <inetpro> georgelappies: welcome at #ubuntu-za
[18:57] <Kilos> 18.20
[18:57] <inetpro> eish... you guys talk a lot
[18:58] <georgelappies> hi inetpro :)
[18:58] <Kilos> well he be new so gotta get to know him
[18:58] <superfly> georgelappies: have you heard of Blender ?
[18:58]  * inetpro trying to catch up since about mid day
[18:58] <georgelappies> yeah, like 3D studio
[18:58] <Kilos> georgelappies: superfly is another kde guy
[18:59] <georgelappies> hi superfly :)
[18:59] <Kilos> and python pro
[19:00] <superfly> I gave up catching up
[19:00] <Kilos> inetpro: mag ek gaan doedoe nou?
[19:00] <inetpro> Kilos: why?
[19:00] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:00] <georgelappies> superfly, you using Blender?
[19:01] <inetpro> Kilos: of course you're welcome to take a well deserved rest
[19:01] <Kilos> rofl you are so kind
[19:01] <inetpro> goeie nag oom
[19:01] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight.
[19:02] <Kilos> sien julle more weer
[19:02] <georgelappies> lekker slaap
[19:04] <inetpro> georgelappies: wow, you found ubuntu-za on distrowatch?
[19:04]  * inetpro didn't realise that we're there as well
[19:05] <georgelappies> lol, yeah. I there was a link on phoronix to the beta2 of 13.04, I followed that and from there to distrowatch where I got the ubuntu-za link in related sites :)
[19:06] <inetpro> nice!
[19:07] <inetpro> glad you found your way here and I hope you wil stick around as well
[19:07] <inetpro> will as well
[19:09] <georgelappies> thanks inetpro 
[19:11]  * superfly is playing plants vs zombies
[19:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> say hi to crazy dave for me
[19:13] <not_found> plants vs zombies rulke
[19:13] <not_found> *rule
[19:13]  * not_found just died in FTL :(
[19:23] <Squirm> Galaxy S2 or Galaxy S3 Mini ?
[19:26]  * inetpro wonders when we will get pricing for the S4
[19:26] <georgelappies> Squirm, http://androidfact.com/s2-vs-s3-mini/
[19:27] <Squirm> wanted a personal opinion
[19:28] <inetpro> Squirm: personally I wouldn't go for the mini
[19:28] <georgelappies> Now, that is going to be a cool device, the S4
[19:28] <inetpro> the processor is disappointing 
[19:30] <Squirm> inetpro: cool. cause I've found they're both similar prices now
[19:31] <Squirm> georgelappies: if you have like R13k
[19:31] <inetpro> Squirm: are you sure it will be that high?
[19:32] <inetpro> apparently pricing in the US is supposed to start at $200
[19:33] <Squirm> bidorbuy
[19:33] <Squirm> Samsung Galaxy S4 16GB
[19:33] <Squirm> R14,999.00
[19:33] <Squirm> Available Till: 19 Apr 00:00
[19:33] <Squirm> Item Condition: New
[19:33] <Squirm> Product Code: I9500
[19:33] <Squirm> Quantity Available: 1
[19:33] <Squirm> but that's not much to go by
[19:33] <Squirm> I want the Nexus 4
[19:33] <Squirm> :/
[19:33] <inetpro> sjoe
[19:33] <georgelappies> Shouldn't be more than R 8500 if bought new once officially available from local carriers
[19:34] <Squirm> Nexus 4 is nice
[19:34] <Squirm> anyway, bbl
[19:34] <inetpro> $200 = R1819.12
[19:35] <georgelappies> inetpro, I am sure that is linked to a 24 month contract?...
[19:35] <inetpro> georgelappies: yes probably
[19:41] <Tonberry> can you buy those here?
[19:41] <Tonberry> last i checked south africa was out of luck
[19:45] <inetpro> as far as I'm aware they will be available in South Africa on the same day as in many other countries
[19:45] <inetpro> on MTN and on CellC you can pre-order already
[19:45] <Tonberry> they have been available in the usa for many months
[19:45] <inetpro> but I don't know how that works with pricing that is not yet announced
[19:46] <inetpro> Tonberry: not officially
[19:46] <Tonberry> nexus 4 sold by google is about as official as it gets
[19:47] <inetpro> Tonberry: ahh, sorry I thought you're talking about the S4
[19:47] <Tonberry> if sa is getting the nexus 4 it is pretty late to the game
[19:47] <inetpro> sadly I have not seen the Nexus 4 here
[19:48] <Tonberry> ah, s4 was discussed farther back
[19:48] <inetpro> our mobile companies are pretty useless here if you ask me
[19:48] <bakuman> apparently when the nexus 4 was released LG said they were not selling it in SA
[19:48] <inetpro> especially Vodacom
[19:49] <Tonberry> no one will sell a nexus 4 here because it will kill all other competition
[19:49]  * inetpro is still waiting for the Note II from Vodacom
[19:49] <bakuman> well it has a flimsy back
[19:49] <Tonberry> why buy and s3 if you can have a nexus 4 at 1/2 the price?
[19:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> because marketing
[19:51] <Tonberry> i dont think the carriers are brave enough to depend on marketing alone
[19:51] <Tonberry> lack of choice on the other hand tends to work well
[19:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> they don't matter when there are Galaxy S3 ads on TV all. the. time.
[19:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> well they were a year ago anyway
[19:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> it's kinda old now
[19:52] <Tonberry> well no one sells the nexus 4 at a sane price here so it does nor really matter
[19:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah whatever market research methods they use told them it wouldn't be worth it
[19:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think vodacom had the nexus s way back when and it sold really poorly
[19:54] <inetpro> well I ordered the Note II on 23 Feb and am still waiting
[19:54] <inetpro> could have been imported by now
[19:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> ouch, from who?
[19:55] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: VC
[19:55] <inetpro> at Wonderpark
[19:55] <inetpro> all they say is that they will call me when they have it
[19:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> i discovered a few years ago that a small mtn franchisee near me always has what i want
[19:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> when i wanted an htc desire 3 years ago, i had 3 mtn stores that would call me when they had stock. on a whim i called this guy and i fetched my phone 3 hours later.
[19:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think the mtn corporate stores rely on really sucky stock distribution channels
[19:57] <inetpro> at this stage I'm just about waiting for my contract to run out completely before considering my options to jump ship to CellC or another mobile co
[19:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> whereas franchise guys are more free to get stock from wherever
[19:57] <inetpro> and maybe, just maybe the S4 will be available and affordable by then
[19:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah i'm quite keen on cell c too. their new low rates were announced something like 6 weeks after i upgraded last year :(
[20:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok bed time
[20:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> 4-year-old hasn't realised the value of sleeping in on a saturday morning :-/
[20:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> night all