Len-nbsounds good.00:33
zequenceCreating my first package. Luckily only one author and license. In some cases, you package one small library, with 10 different authors and licenses. Not so fun to maintain00:43
smartboyhwSending announcements noe00:46
zequencesmartboyhw: Don't loose sleep over it :) 00:47
smartboyhwzequence I did sleep 00:48
smartboyhwJust sending it out and I will go to bed again00:49
zequencesmartboyhw: Your devotion to punctuality is admirable, but as you have noticed, delays happen not only among volunteers. It's perfectly alright to be relaxed with things like this. Final release might be a bit more important, but the world won't stop turning if we are a day late with announcements :)00:54
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Len-nbzequence, when I sent something to len@ubuntustudio.org I got the message ok. So mine works02:25
zequenceLen-nb: Yeah. I realized I had made a mistake with the ticket. The ticket header says we want .org addresses, but in the text I ask for .com02:26
zequenceDoesn't really matter which we have, even if it would be nice to have .com, or both, as they both are valid02:26
smartboyhwzequence, I think .org is better02:28
smartboyhwAs Kubuntu and Edubuntu uses it for their members02:28
zequenceWhat Kubuntu and Edubuntu does is their business ;)02:29
zequenceI do realize now that our website is redirected to .org, when typing the .com address02:30
zequenceSo, then it makes more sense02:30
zequenceIt also makes sense cause we are a volunteer organization02:30
zequenceAll though, the brand is under Canonicals control02:30
smartboyhwGua gua gua still not released02:32
smartboyhwGua gua gua:P02:32
* smartboyhw will op any moment02:33
zequencesmartboyhw: There's really no hurry. Just relax. Doesn't matter if we announce it one day later02:33
smartboyhwzequence, I'm free today anyway02:33
zequencesmartboyhw: perfect time to take some time off from work ;)02:34
smartboyhwzequence, no. Online exercise to do02:34
smartboyhwOur teachers will kill us if we don't02:35
smartboyhwAnd tmr I need to start studying Chemistry (ionic bonding)02:35
smartboyhwTest on Monday:(02:37
smartboyhwI think I should remove that "Ubuntu Studio 13.04 Beta 2 testing in progress" first.02:37
=== smartboyhw changed the topic of #ubuntustudio-devel to: Ubuntu Studio Development Channel | https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio | Ubuntu Studio 12.04.02 LTS is released: ISO- http://goo.gl/FEAxP Notes-http://goo.gl/29QaS | Ubuntu Studio 12.10 is released http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/12.10/release/ |
smartboyhwzequence, one good thing that we can learn from the engineering teams is that we can split our workitems into monthly milestones. So we don't get too unfocused02:43
smartboyhwAnd not to get too many workitems marked POSTPONED02:46
smartboyhwGuys, expecting announcement at London time...03:33
micahgumm, announcement should've been already (Thu is release day)03:35
smartboyhwmicahg, no. 03:36
smartboyhwmicahg, the London Canonical IS guys haven't changed the testing links in ubuntu.com03:36
smartboyhwNo release03:36
micahgright, should've been, but there were hiccups :)03:36
smartboyhwmicahg, anyway it gives the mirrors more time to sync03:37
smartboyhwmicahg, I forgotten, but you seemed to be finding me one day?03:37
micahgsmartboyhw: yes, please use content in pings :)03:37
smartboyhwmicahg, ?03:38
micahgwas something about uploads or whatnot, but we were never on at the same time03:38
smartboyhwmicahg, oh oh03:38
micahgI inferred from context, but if you ping me and I'm not around, just use context :)03:40
smartboyhwmicahg, OK:)03:42
* smartboyhw throws blood03:49
smartboyhwI am seriously fed up with Mr. phillw on #ubuntu-release03:49
smartboyhwHe just keeps not calming down...03:49
micahgsmartboyhw: 1.  This is a logged channel, 2.  sending in PM03:51
* smartboyhw decides to go into IRC silence...03:53
zequencesmartboyhw: Doesn't matter if 50% of workitems get postponed, as long as the important stuff gets done. 04:51
smartboyhwzequence, it helps I think04:52
zequencehelps what?04:52
zequenceto make numbers look good?04:53
smartboyhwzequence, well at least we DID something04:53
zequenceThis cycle has seen very little change in the actual OS. A few details here and there. Improvements, yes. But nothing radical. And even if we had done nothing at all, it would have been an ok release04:56
zequenceWhat are the important objects for the future?04:56
zequenceTo get more stuff done, we need more people -> we need an organization for it, documentation and PR to get more people involved04:57
zequenceBut, we don't have short term plans for everything04:58
zequenceRather, the other way around04:58
zequenceSo, monhtly milestones would make very little sense for us04:58
zequenceMaking up 40 workitems, and then completing them, doesn't mean you did something to improve the OS. It just means you completed 40 workitems04:59
zequenceWe need people who have ideas about how to improve Ubuntu Studio. And we don't central planning for everything, like figuring out different workflows05:00
zequenceSo, that means, people can work independently05:00
zequenceMy personal next big milestone is 14.04. And I see 13.10 as an opportunity to try out some stuff05:01
zequenceIf we get someone working on improving just one of our workflows, for example video, the only thing that person needs to worry about is the development schedule as a whole05:03
zequenceAnd that person could work independently on it05:03
len-1304zequence, +105:26
len-1304I would love to see someone just use one of the workflows other than audio and make work well.05:28
zequenceReally none of our workflows are thoroughly worked out. We have the big applications, but we're missing a lot of the fine stuff. Probably a lot of obvious stuff, just because we don't have time to do it ourselves05:36
zequenceI have this friend, who likes to get his band together at least once a week, just so he can feel they are a band. But, if they aren't rehersing for anything, just playing, people loose interest. They are working for nothing. Learning songs for no reason05:40
zequenceIt's different of course, when they have an actual goal to work for. Like a gig, or a recording05:40
zequenceNice looking numbers may make you feel like things are moving along, but what really makes things change I find can be something much less measurable than that05:41
zequenceAnyway, I feel like we are on track now. At least I'm feeling very content currently05:42
smartboyhwHmm the Lubuntu QA manager is trying to curse Xubuntu and Ubuntu Studio06:27
smartboyhwzequence, one thing: When it gets released (still isn't) would you post as "Ubuntu Studio" in Google+? You know I don't have the rights.08:21
zequencesmartboyhw: Seems like your long wait is over08:57
smartboyhwzequence, we don't know who did it clearly. Daviey was asking that in #ubuntu-release09:18
smartboyhwProbably let me OP first09:19
smartboyhwAnd we'll see if it is a false call or what...09:19
smartboyhwAnyway I think the team can't save it now;P09:19
zequencesmartboyhw: If you're not sure. wait09:21
zequenceWait another day, if you have to09:21
zequenceThere's no particular hurry at all09:21
smartboyhwzequence, yep.09:21
ttoinezequence, hello09:45
ttoineis you @ubuntustudio.org email working ?09:45
zequencettoine: Yes. Not for you?09:46
zequenceIt should redirect to ttoine@ttoine09:47
zequenceAlso, I'm totally confused. I never asked for .com addresses. Don't know why I thought I did09:49
zequencettoine: I tried sending you meail09:49
ttoineit was not working yesterday09:51
ttoinebut i get your email09:51
zequenceok, seems to be working then :)09:52
ttoineit will ease my chat with suppliers for merchandising ;-)09:52
ttoineI just need to configure gmail, now09:52
ttoinegreat !!!09:52
zequencettoine: Don't think you can send as @ubuntustudio.org though. Only receive09:53
zequenceYou can add the address in your contact info, or signature. 09:53
ttoinezequence, with gmail and thunderbird, if you can receive, you can send09:58
ttoineyours is zequance@ubuntustudio 09:58
ttoinezequence@ubuntustudio . org ?09:58
ttoinezequence, do you have some news from twitter ? did you get information about that from scott ?10:00
zequencettoine: The email address is just a redirect. There's no smpt server10:23
zequenceIf you can send as ttoine@ubuntustudio.org, then anyone can10:24
zequencettoine: Nothing from twitter yet. We have the account, but Scott has the details10:24
zequencewell, it does have your address there, so I guess it is possible then10:26
smartboyhwPermission not granted...10:36
smartboyhwzequence, hmm I can't login to Ubuntu Studio main website (not related to the previous sentence though)10:38
smartboyhwI went to /wp-admin10:38
smartboyhwAnd the login button seems unreacting10:38
smartboyhwJust the same screen10:38
smartboyhwCan you check for me?10:40
smartboyhwttoine, ^10:40
smartboyhwHELP. Not working even on another browser10:41
smartboyhwTried Firefox + Rekonq (the KDE browser)10:41
zequencesmartboyhw: Seems to be stuck, yes10:41
smartboyhwzequence, uh oh.10:41
smartboyhwShould we report to IS or?10:41
zequencesmartboyhw: The whole of LP authentication is down, so I wouldn't worry10:43
smartboyhwzequence, whoa!10:44
zequenceI just announced the failure at #launchpad10:46
smartboyhwzequence, thanks:)10:46
zequencesmartboyhw: Apparently, they were upgrading the database for a few minutes10:46
smartboyhwzequence, oh that's why...10:46
zequenceThey restarted services more than 40 min ago, but something may have failed10:47
smartboyhwzequence, hmm10:47
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smartboyhwWhere's Scott? He seemed to have tested the email.11:45
smartboyhwzequence, can you send an email to smartboyhw@ubuntustudio.org ?11:45
smartboyhwFor a test11:46
ttoinesmartboyhw, it is working for me12:43
ttoineI get the launchpad sso form12:44
ttoinezequence, I confirm that I can send email from ttoine@ubuntustudio . org12:46
ttoinefrom gmail12:46
smartboyhwttoine, send one email to smartboyhw@ubuntustudio.org please12:47
smartboyhwttoine, OK I received it:P12:47
smartboyhwMine works12:47
ttoinesmartboyhw, hehe ;-)12:49
ttoineand if you look, I sent it with ttoine@ubuntustudio.org12:49
smartboyhwSo Scott is left out:P12:49
ttoineI don't know12:49
ttoinesmartboyhw, my email didn't work till this morning12:49
smartboyhwttoine, at least it works NO12:50
smartboyhwScott can't seem to get his email working at all even now12:50
smartboyhwastraljava, I think you got an email too.12:50
smartboyhwlen-1304 too12:51
smartboyhwholstein also, can you guys try to test if your emails work?12:51
smartboyhwzequence, OK release is now OK!13:12
=== smartboyhw changed the topic of #ubuntustudio-devel to: Ubuntu Studio Development Channel | https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio | Ubuntu Studio 12.04.02 LTS is released: ISO- http://goo.gl/FEAxP Notes-http://goo.gl/29QaS | Ubuntu Studio 12.10 is released http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/12.10/release/ | Ubuntu Studio 13.04 (Raring Ringtail) Beta 2 released http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/13.04/beta-2/
smartboyhwzequence, please do help post:)13:17
smartboyhw_off for the night. zequence please do announce the release as "Ubuntu Studio" on G+..15:36
smartboyhw_zequence, BTW I think you should go and attend http://lac.linuxaudio.org/2013/15:37
zequencesmartboyhw_: I won't attend it his year. However, I will attend Debconf15:38
zequenceI'll do the posts. Currently washing out as much FUD as I can from a ardour manual about Ubuntu :/15:38
smartboyhw_zequence, :/ what's Debconf?15:39
zequencelen-1304: I'm thinking about how to do planning from now on..16:42
zequenceShould we continue as we have, or should we do something different?16:43
zequenceSomehow, all the blueprints could be non release specific16:44
zequenceWhile, we do make release specific goals too16:44
zequenceNot that big of a deal really. Just thinking out loud16:45
zequenceI'm going to set up planning for next release, or really rather for both 13.10 and 14.04 this weekend, or that's my plan16:53
zequenceIn other words, I plan to plan :P16:54
holstein!info files17:00
ubottuPackage files does not exist in quantal17:00
holsteinzequence: have you checked that out ^^17:00
holsteinare we going to thunar and staying?17:00
holsteini think we should make sure when folks pull in the meta packages with jack or jack, that the pulse sync dbus works17:01
zequenceholstein: We decided to go for a more pure Xubuntu setup. Would you have rather kept nautilus?17:22
zequence!info file17:22
ubottufile (source: file): Determines file type using "magic" numbers. In component main, is important. Version 5.11-2 (quantal), package size 17 kB, installed size 92 kB17:22
zequenceAh, that's something else17:22
holsteinnot nautilus... but whatever main is going to maybe17:22
zequence!info nautilus17:22
ubottunautilus (source: nautilus): file manager and graphical shell for GNOME. In component main, is optional. Version 1:3.5.90.really.3.4.2-0ubuntu4.2 (quantal), package size 824 kB, installed size 2391 kB17:22
holsteinim fine with thunar17:22
zequenceholstein: You mean, pulseaudio-module-jack?17:24
zequenceholstein: There's a misconception that this module would improve jack being able to grab the card from pulse. This is not true17:25
zequenceThe only thing it does, is adds a jack client for pulseaudio17:25
zequenceThat's not something everyone will want17:25
zequenceWe have it by default on Ubuntu Studio though17:25
holsteinzequence: im talking about what las is mentioning17:26
zequenceholstein: In the manual, you mean?17:26
zequenceI just did an update to it. Something like 19 edits. Removed half of the text, as it was full of non-truths about how things work on Ubuntu17:27
zequenceDon't think it's published yet17:27
zequenceI left the bits that the two bugs are a problem on 12.04 and 12.10. Also, that you need to manually set realtime prio on anything else than Ubustudio, KX and Dream Studio17:28
zequenceAnd, that Ardour will only support their own official packages17:28
zequenceI removed the rest pretty much17:28
zequenceholstein: It's safe to say that Ubuntu Studio has some challenges for the future17:38
zequenceWe've been having those bugs for much too long now17:38
zequenceGives us a bad name17:38
zequenceBy 14.04, I really want there to be no doubt as to which distro rules at multimedia17:39
holsteini think we need someone up in the motu group from out team17:39
zequenceholstein: I think rather, we need to fix issues in both Debian packages, as well as Debian and Ubuntu policy regarding pro audio17:40
zequenceI'm a member of Debian Multimedia Team now, and will work with them on that17:40
holsteinand, i think its happening upstream17:40
em22hello, I found a bug that is specific to ubuntustudio 13.04 and is serious enough to be considered a blocking issue.  how/where should I file the bug report...  launchpad? what area?21:19
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holsteinwhat is a blocking issue?21:29
holsteinem22_: ?21:29
ubottuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs.21:30
holstein!13.04 21:30
ubottuUbuntu 13.04 (Raring Ringtail) will be the 18th release of Ubuntu, Discussion and support until final release in #ubuntu+121:30
holsteinem22: ^21:32
holsteinanyways.. this is a good place to start. 21:32
em22_hi, the fix is trivial, but the broken functionality is major...  thats why I call it a blocking issue21:32
em22_the problem is that the kernel-headers does not have a valid symlink...  so you cant install anything that needs to use the headers... such as virtualbox.   21:33
holsteinem22_: the lowlatency one, you mean?21:34
holsteinzequence: ^^21:34
em22_ok,  ubuntu-bug ...  but what package would I use ?21:34
holsteinem22_: just wait and see what zequence says21:34
em22_yes the lowlatency one21:34
em22_okay, thanks21:35
Len-nbem22, the package would be linux-lowlatency-headers , but it may have to have the actual kernel version attached to it too.21:54
Len-nbLike linux-lowlatency-headers-3.8.0-1 it looks like21:54
Len-nbHmm, there is also a linux-headers-lowlatency This one might be best unless it is version specific.21:59
em22_okay, great!  Thank You!   I will use the generic22:02
holsteinif its a bug, we need to fix it em22_ 22:32
holsteintry the headers package if you want, and let Len-nb or zequence know22:32
JTaHOLSTEIN!  Hi bud!22:37
holsteinJTa: YO22:37

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