[00:33] <Len-nb> sounds good.
[00:43] <zequence> Creating my first package. Luckily only one author and license. In some cases, you package one small library, with 10 different authors and licenses. Not so fun to maintain
[00:46] <smartboyhw> Sending announcements noe
[00:47] <zequence> smartboyhw: Don't loose sleep over it :) 
[00:48] <smartboyhw> zequence I did sleep 
[00:49] <smartboyhw> Just sending it out and I will go to bed again
[00:54] <zequence> smartboyhw: Your devotion to punctuality is admirable, but as you have noticed, delays happen not only among volunteers. It's perfectly alright to be relaxed with things like this. Final release might be a bit more important, but the world won't stop turning if we are a day late with announcements :)
[02:25] <Len-nb> zequence, when I sent something to len@ubuntustudio.org I got the message ok. So mine works
[02:26] <zequence> Len-nb: Yeah. I realized I had made a mistake with the ticket. The ticket header says we want .org addresses, but in the text I ask for .com
[02:26] <zequence> Doesn't really matter which we have, even if it would be nice to have .com, or both, as they both are valid
[02:28] <smartboyhw> mwahahahahwh
[02:28] <smartboyhw> zequence, I think .org is better
[02:28] <smartboyhw> As Kubuntu and Edubuntu uses it for their members
[02:29] <zequence> What Kubuntu and Edubuntu does is their business ;)
[02:30] <zequence> I do realize now that our website is redirected to .org, when typing the .com address
[02:30] <zequence> So, then it makes more sense
[02:30] <zequence> It also makes sense cause we are a volunteer organization
[02:30] <zequence> All though, the brand is under Canonicals control
[02:32] <smartboyhw> Gua gua gua still not released
[02:32] <smartboyhw> Gua gua gua:P
[02:33]  * smartboyhw will op any moment
[02:33] <zequence> smartboyhw: There's really no hurry. Just relax. Doesn't matter if we announce it one day later
[02:33] <smartboyhw> zequence, I'm free today anyway
[02:34] <smartboyhw> HOLIDAY
[02:34] <zequence> smartboyhw: perfect time to take some time off from work ;)
[02:34] <smartboyhw> zequence, no. Online exercise to do
[02:35] <smartboyhw> Our teachers will kill us if we don't
[02:35] <smartboyhw> And tmr I need to start studying Chemistry (ionic bonding)
[02:37] <smartboyhw> Test on Monday:(
[02:37] <smartboyhw> I think I should remove that "Ubuntu Studio 13.04 Beta 2 testing in progress" first.
[02:43] <smartboyhw> zequence, one good thing that we can learn from the engineering teams is that we can split our workitems into monthly milestones. So we don't get too unfocused
[02:46] <smartboyhw> And not to get too many workitems marked POSTPONED
[03:33] <smartboyhw> Guys, expecting announcement at London time...
[03:35] <micahg> umm, announcement should've been already (Thu is release day)
[03:36] <smartboyhw> micahg, no. 
[03:36] <smartboyhw> micahg, the London Canonical IS guys haven't changed the testing links in ubuntu.com
[03:36] <smartboyhw> No release
[03:36] <smartboyhw> ...
[03:36] <micahg> right, should've been, but there were hiccups :)
[03:37] <smartboyhw> micahg, anyway it gives the mirrors more time to sync
[03:37] <smartboyhw> micahg, I forgotten, but you seemed to be finding me one day?
[03:37] <micahg> smartboyhw: yes, please use content in pings :)
[03:38] <smartboyhw> micahg, ?
[03:38] <micahg> was something about uploads or whatnot, but we were never on at the same time
[03:38] <smartboyhw> micahg, oh oh
[03:40] <micahg> I inferred from context, but if you ping me and I'm not around, just use context :)
[03:41] <micahg> err...content
[03:42] <smartboyhw> micahg, OK:)
[03:49]  * smartboyhw throws blood
[03:49] <smartboyhw> I am seriously fed up with Mr. phillw on #ubuntu-release
[03:49] <smartboyhw> He just keeps not calming down...
[03:51] <micahg> smartboyhw: 1.  This is a logged channel, 2.  sending in PM
[03:53]  * smartboyhw decides to go into IRC silence...
[04:15] <smartboyhw> Uh
[04:51] <zequence> smartboyhw: Doesn't matter if 50% of workitems get postponed, as long as the important stuff gets done. 
[04:52] <smartboyhw> zequence, it helps I think
[04:52] <zequence> helps what?
[04:53] <zequence> to make numbers look good?
[04:53] <smartboyhw> zequence, well at least we DID something
[04:56] <zequence> This cycle has seen very little change in the actual OS. A few details here and there. Improvements, yes. But nothing radical. And even if we had done nothing at all, it would have been an ok release
[04:56] <zequence> What are the important objects for the future?
[04:57] <zequence> To get more stuff done, we need more people -> we need an organization for it, documentation and PR to get more people involved
[04:58] <zequence> But, we don't have short term plans for everything
[04:58] <zequence> Rather, the other way around
[04:58] <zequence> So, monhtly milestones would make very little sense for us
[04:59] <zequence> Making up 40 workitems, and then completing them, doesn't mean you did something to improve the OS. It just means you completed 40 workitems
[05:00] <zequence> We need people who have ideas about how to improve Ubuntu Studio. And we don't central planning for everything, like figuring out different workflows
[05:00] <zequence> So, that means, people can work independently
[05:01] <zequence> My personal next big milestone is 14.04. And I see 13.10 as an opportunity to try out some stuff
[05:03] <zequence> If we get someone working on improving just one of our workflows, for example video, the only thing that person needs to worry about is the development schedule as a whole
[05:03] <zequence> And that person could work independently on it
[05:18] <smartboyhw> OK
[05:26] <len-1304> zequence, +1
[05:28] <len-1304> I would love to see someone just use one of the workflows other than audio and make work well.
[05:36] <zequence> Really none of our workflows are thoroughly worked out. We have the big applications, but we're missing a lot of the fine stuff. Probably a lot of obvious stuff, just because we don't have time to do it ourselves
[05:40] <zequence> I have this friend, who likes to get his band together at least once a week, just so he can feel they are a band. But, if they aren't rehersing for anything, just playing, people loose interest. They are working for nothing. Learning songs for no reason
[05:40] <zequence> It's different of course, when they have an actual goal to work for. Like a gig, or a recording
[05:41] <zequence> Nice looking numbers may make you feel like things are moving along, but what really makes things change I find can be something much less measurable than that
[05:42] <zequence> Anyway, I feel like we are on track now. At least I'm feeling very content currently
[06:27] <smartboyhw> Hmm the Lubuntu QA manager is trying to curse Xubuntu and Ubuntu Studio
[08:21] <smartboyhw> zequence, one thing: When it gets released (still isn't) would you post as "Ubuntu Studio" in Google+? You know I don't have the rights.
[08:57] <zequence> smartboyhw: Seems like your long wait is over
[09:18] <smartboyhw> zequence, we don't know who did it clearly. Daviey was asking that in #ubuntu-release
[09:19] <smartboyhw> Probably let me OP first
[09:19] <smartboyhw> And we'll see if it is a false call or what...
[09:19] <smartboyhw> Anyway I think the team can't save it now;P
[09:21] <zequence> smartboyhw: If you're not sure. wait
[09:21] <zequence> Wait another day, if you have to
[09:21] <zequence> There's no particular hurry at all
[09:21] <smartboyhw> zequence, yep.
[09:45] <ttoine> zequence, hello
[09:45] <ttoine> is you @ubuntustudio.org email working ?
[09:46] <zequence> ttoine: Yes. Not for you?
[09:47] <zequence> It should redirect to ttoine@ttoine
[09:49] <zequence> Also, I'm totally confused. I never asked for .com addresses. Don't know why I thought I did
[09:49] <zequence> ttoine: I tried sending you meail
[09:50] <zequence> mail*
[09:51] <ttoine> it was not working yesterday
[09:51] <ttoine> but i get your email
[09:52] <zequence> ok, seems to be working then :)
[09:52] <ttoine> it will ease my chat with suppliers for merchandising ;-)
[09:52] <ttoine> I just need to configure gmail, now
[09:52] <ttoine> great !!!
[09:53] <zequence> ttoine: Don't think you can send as @ubuntustudio.org though. Only receive
[09:53] <zequence> You can add the address in your contact info, or signature. 
[09:58] <ttoine> zequence, with gmail and thunderbird, if you can receive, you can send
[09:58] <ttoine> yours is zequance@ubuntustudio 
[09:58] <ttoine> ?
[09:58] <ttoine> zequence@ubuntustudio . org ?
[10:00] <ttoine> zequence, do you have some news from twitter ? did you get information about that from scott ?
[10:23] <zequence> ttoine: The email address is just a redirect. There's no smpt server
[10:24] <zequence> If you can send as ttoine@ubuntustudio.org, then anyone can
[10:24] <zequence> ttoine: Nothing from twitter yet. We have the account, but Scott has the details
[10:26] <zequence> well, it does have your address there, so I guess it is possible then
[10:36] <smartboyhw> Permission not granted...
[10:38] <smartboyhw> zequence, hmm I can't login to Ubuntu Studio main website (not related to the previous sentence though)
[10:38] <smartboyhw> I went to /wp-admin
[10:38] <smartboyhw> And the login button seems unreacting
[10:38] <smartboyhw> Just the same screen
[10:40] <smartboyhw> Can you check for me?
[10:40] <smartboyhw> ttoine, ^
[10:41] <smartboyhw> HELP. Not working even on another browser
[10:41] <smartboyhw> Tried Firefox + Rekonq (the KDE browser)
[10:41] <zequence> smartboyhw: Seems to be stuck, yes
[10:41] <smartboyhw> zequence, uh oh.
[10:41] <smartboyhw> Should we report to IS or?
[10:43] <zequence> smartboyhw: The whole of LP authentication is down, so I wouldn't worry
[10:44] <smartboyhw> zequence, whoa!
[10:46] <zequence> I just announced the failure at #launchpad
[10:46] <smartboyhw> zequence, thanks:)
[10:46] <zequence> smartboyhw: Apparently, they were upgrading the database for a few minutes
[10:46] <smartboyhw> zequence, oh that's why...
[10:47] <zequence> They restarted services more than 40 min ago, but something may have failed
[10:47] <smartboyhw> zequence, hmm
[11:45] <smartboyhw> Where's Scott? He seemed to have tested the email.
[11:45] <smartboyhw> zequence, can you send an email to smartboyhw@ubuntustudio.org ?
[11:46] <smartboyhw> For a test
[12:43] <ttoine> smartboyhw, it is working for me
[12:44] <ttoine> I get the launchpad sso form
[12:46] <ttoine> zequence, I confirm that I can send email from ttoine@ubuntustudio . org
[12:46] <ttoine> from gmail
[12:47] <smartboyhw> ttoine, send one email to smartboyhw@ubuntustudio.org please
[12:47] <smartboyhw> ttoine, OK I received it:P
[12:47] <smartboyhw> Mine works
[12:49] <ttoine> smartboyhw, hehe ;-)
[12:49] <ttoine> and if you look, I sent it with ttoine@ubuntustudio.org
[12:49] <smartboyhw> So Scott is left out:P
[12:49] <ttoine> I don't know
[12:49] <ttoine> smartboyhw, my email didn't work till this morning
[12:50] <smartboyhw> ttoine, at least it works NO
[12:50] <smartboyhw> *NOW
[12:50] <ttoine> yep
[12:50] <smartboyhw> Scott can't seem to get his email working at all even now
[12:50] <smartboyhw> astraljava, I think you got an email too.
[12:51] <smartboyhw> len-1304 too
[12:51] <smartboyhw> holstein also, can you guys try to test if your emails work?
[13:12] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK release is now OK!
[13:17] <smartboyhw> zequence, please do help post:)
[13:19] <smartboyhw> \o.
[13:19] <smartboyhw> \o/
[15:36] <smartboyhw_> off for the night. zequence please do announce the release as "Ubuntu Studio" on G+..
[15:37] <smartboyhw_> zequence, BTW I think you should go and attend http://lac.linuxaudio.org/2013/
[15:38] <zequence> smartboyhw_: I won't attend it his year. However, I will attend Debconf
[15:38] <zequence> I'll do the posts. Currently washing out as much FUD as I can from a ardour manual about Ubuntu :/
[15:39] <smartboyhw_> zequence, :/ what's Debconf?
[16:42] <zequence> len-1304: I'm thinking about how to do planning from now on..
[16:43] <zequence> Should we continue as we have, or should we do something different?
[16:44] <zequence> Somehow, all the blueprints could be non release specific
[16:44] <zequence> While, we do make release specific goals too
[16:45] <zequence> Not that big of a deal really. Just thinking out loud
[16:53] <zequence> I'm going to set up planning for next release, or really rather for both 13.10 and 14.04 this weekend, or that's my plan
[16:54] <zequence> In other words, I plan to plan :P
[17:00] <holstein> !info files
[17:00] <holstein> zequence: have you checked that out ^^
[17:00] <holstein> are we going to thunar and staying?
[17:01] <holstein> i think we should make sure when folks pull in the meta packages with jack or jack, that the pulse sync dbus works
[17:22] <zequence> holstein: We decided to go for a more pure Xubuntu setup. Would you have rather kept nautilus?
[17:22] <zequence> !info file
[17:22] <zequence> Ah, that's something else
[17:22] <holstein> not nautilus... but whatever main is going to maybe
[17:22] <zequence> !info nautilus
[17:22] <holstein> im fine with thunar
[17:24] <zequence> holstein: You mean, pulseaudio-module-jack?
[17:25] <zequence> holstein: There's a misconception that this module would improve jack being able to grab the card from pulse. This is not true
[17:25] <zequence> The only thing it does, is adds a jack client for pulseaudio
[17:25] <zequence> That's not something everyone will want
[17:25] <zequence> We have it by default on Ubuntu Studio though
[17:26] <holstein> zequence: im talking about what las is mentioning
[17:26] <zequence> holstein: In the manual, you mean?
[17:27] <zequence> I just did an update to it. Something like 19 edits. Removed half of the text, as it was full of non-truths about how things work on Ubuntu
[17:27] <zequence> Don't think it's published yet
[17:27] <holstein> good!
[17:28] <zequence> I left the bits that the two bugs are a problem on 12.04 and 12.10. Also, that you need to manually set realtime prio on anything else than Ubustudio, KX and Dream Studio
[17:28] <zequence> And, that Ardour will only support their own official packages
[17:28] <zequence> I removed the rest pretty much
[17:38] <zequence> holstein: It's safe to say that Ubuntu Studio has some challenges for the future
[17:38] <zequence> We've been having those bugs for much too long now
[17:38] <zequence> Gives us a bad name
[17:39] <zequence> By 14.04, I really want there to be no doubt as to which distro rules at multimedia
[17:39] <holstein> i think we need someone up in the motu group from out team
[17:40] <zequence> holstein: I think rather, we need to fix issues in both Debian packages, as well as Debian and Ubuntu policy regarding pro audio
[17:40] <holstein> agreed
[17:40] <zequence> I'm a member of Debian Multimedia Team now, and will work with them on that
[17:40] <holstein> and, i think its happening upstream
[21:19] <em22> hello, I found a bug that is specific to ubuntustudio 13.04 and is serious enough to be considered a blocking issue.  how/where should I file the bug report...  launchpad? what area?
[21:29] <holstein> what is a blocking issue?
[21:29] <holstein> em22_: ?
[21:29] <holstein> !bug
[21:30] <holstein> !13.04 
[21:32] <holstein> em22: ^
[21:32] <holstein> anyways.. this is a good place to start. 
[21:32] <em22_> hi, the fix is trivial, but the broken functionality is major...  thats why I call it a blocking issue
[21:33] <em22_> the problem is that the kernel-headers does not have a valid symlink...  so you cant install anything that needs to use the headers... such as virtualbox.   
[21:34] <holstein> em22_: the lowlatency one, you mean?
[21:34] <holstein> zequence: ^^
[21:34] <em22_> ok,  ubuntu-bug ...  but what package would I use ?
[21:34] <holstein> em22_: just wait and see what zequence says
[21:34] <em22_> yes the lowlatency one
[21:35] <em22_> okay, thanks
[21:54] <Len-nb> em22, the package would be linux-lowlatency-headers , but it may have to have the actual kernel version attached to it too.
[21:54] <Len-nb> Like linux-lowlatency-headers-3.8.0-1 it looks like
[21:59] <Len-nb> Hmm, there is also a linux-headers-lowlatency This one might be best unless it is version specific.
[22:02] <em22_> okay, great!  Thank You!   I will use the generic
[22:32] <holstein> ?
[22:32] <holstein> why?
[22:32] <holstein> if its a bug, we need to fix it em22_ 
[22:32] <holstein> try the headers package if you want, and let Len-nb or zequence know
[22:37] <JTa> HOLSTEIN!  Hi bud!
[22:37] <holstein> JTa: YO