[00:21] <donnie> Question... I have xubuntu 11.10, I installed the separate xfce4 because I like it better. Is it safe now to remove the xubuntu-desktop metapackage?
[00:23] <Unit193> xubuntu-desktop is safe to remove anyway, but 11.10 is soon to go !eol.
[00:25] <donnie> I'll upgrade to 12 the day it's built right and I don't keep getting 'system error detected'
[00:26] <donnie> Thank you though. How can I remove the xubuntu desktop meta? apt-get rm xubuntu-desktop?
[00:26] <Unit193> Just let it get removed, no point to remove it manually.
[00:27] <donnie> Only reason I went to xfce4 is because I like the stock desktop without the distro/company enhancements
[00:38] <donnie> "disable effects".... what do I need to install to remove the fancy stuff I don't want
[08:17] <Oweoqi> hey everyone, I'm running Xubuntu 13.04 and I have received the update for firefox, am I the one one?
[08:17] <Oweoqi> only one*
[08:19] <Oweoqi> I screwed that all up, I haven't received the update for firefox 20
[08:25] <Unit193> !info firefox raring
[08:25] <Unit193> !info firefox raring-updates
[08:26] <baizon> i dont see a firefox 20 in the repos
[08:26] <Unit193> Not in raring, but quantal.
[08:33] <Oweoqi> ah ok, I'm just being impatient then
[08:33] <bazhang> the update just came through a very short while ago
[08:34] <bazhang> wait for your mirror to sync and check again
[08:34] <Oweoqi> yeah
[08:34] <bazhang> I just got 20 about 20 minutes ago, in fact
[08:34] <Oweoqi> what mirror you on?
[08:34] <Unit193> bazhang: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox not proposed, right?
[08:36] <bazhang> Unit193, just the regular repos have it a security upgrade
[08:36] <bazhang> +as
[08:37] <Unit193> Bah, launchpad being wrong.  Alright.
[08:40] <bazhang> thats a first!
[09:36] <Kaurin> Hi. I am running xubuntu 12.10. I would like to disable gnome's ssh agent. I figured out that xubuntu 12.10 starts gnome services at startup. XFCE in it's "startup applications" has gnome ssh agent disabled, but it starts via gnome services. Is there an applet (or a config file) in which i can disable gnome ssh agent?
[09:40] <Kaurin> :/
[09:40] <Kaurin> I guess i'll have to live without gnome's keyring. sigh
[09:42] <Kaurin> Ok. I've disabled gnome services and logged in again. No ssh agent, but i still have the gnome keyring. That is what i wanted :D
[10:06] <Guest99084> hello
[10:07] <Guest99084> hello
[10:07] <Guest99084> !
[10:07] <baizon> !hi | Guest99084
[10:09] <Guest99084> hello baizon
[10:09] <Guest99084> it's been long since i used irc
[10:09] <Guest99084> but i remember finding the right info i need here
[10:11] <Guest99084> seems like nobody is here!
[10:12] <baizon> =)
[10:20] <gdeliana> hello, i would like to ask: is the latest xubuntu beta2 (final beta) working the installation?
[10:21] <gdeliana> i tried before installing xubuntu and the isntaller crashes during installation
[10:22] <gdeliana> Anybody?
[10:24] <fsapo> Hi, is there some way to automount a windows partition on boot in xubuntu? I mean, without editing /etc/fstab? I have to open thunar after boot just to mount it, i guess it should be automatically
[10:25] <fsapo> I need to open thunar and actually click on the partition for it to mount :(
[10:25] <bazhang> whats the problem with adding it to fstab
[10:26] <bazhang> sudo blkid
[10:26] <bazhang> !blkid | fsapo
[10:26] <koegs> just found that via google: http://xflinux.blogspot.de/2011/01/mount-ntfs-volumes-automatically-in.html
[10:26] <koegs> did not test it, but maybe it justs edits the fstab :D
[10:29] <fsapo> koegs thanks, will try that out
[10:30] <fsapo> koegs the first comment on that isn't giving much hope, but I'll try anyway D:
[10:31] <koegs> fsapo: just tried it with a windows8-partition, very easy to use
[10:32] <koegs> but i cannot try a reboot right now ;-)
[10:35] <Guest85439> hello
[10:35] <Guest85439> can anyone help me with my backup?
[10:36] <koegs> !ask | Guest85439
[10:38] <Guest85439> i previously had Bio-Linux installed on my comp , which is ubuntu+bioinformatics packages , i've had so many packages downloaded , backed them up using aptoncd , then restored them after a clean install of xubuntu , but half of them seem to be broken , i wonder if anyone knows why
[10:38] <fsapo> koegs looks like it worked, but it basically just edited the fstab, but its better than having to do it myself :P
[10:40] <koegs> Guest85439: did you come from the same *ubuntu version or are the packages from a different release?
[10:41] <Guest85439> same , Precise
[10:42] <koegs> Guest85439: i would try just to use the "list" of packages and install them via apt-get from the repo servers
[10:43] <Guest85439> i'd have but my connection is so slow
[10:43] <koegs> maybe there are somehow some unmet dependencies while installing from cd
[10:44] <Guest85439> i don't think so , the aptoncd tool offers an "auto select dependencies" property
[10:47] <koegs> and how do you "restore" the packages when using aptoncd?
[10:51] <Guest85439> i autoselect dependencies for each manual selection of packages , the tool copies them to var/cache/apt/archive , then i cd to cache using terminal and install them using "dpkg -i *.deb"
[10:53] <koegs> hm, and what does "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" say after that?
[10:54] <Guest85439> so many broken things
[10:54] <Guest85439> :D
[10:54] <koegs> !paste
[10:56] <koegs> Guest85439: installing the packages via dpkg is not the recommended way
[10:56] <Guest85439> i don't have it now , i did a new clean install , and i'm willing to take the hustle of downloading everything again from server , it'll take me more than a week , then i'll back everything up again for new xubuntu intsalls
[10:56] <koegs> -.-
[10:56] <Guest85439> i'm just afraid the same will happen again
[10:56] <Guest85439> oh
[10:56] <Guest85439> then what is the recommended way?
[10:57] <koegs> use the cd as a repository: http://www.howtogeek.com/110034/how-to-back-up-restore-your-installed-ubuntu-packages-with-aptoncd/
[10:57] <Guest85439> :)
[10:57] <koegs> and then use apt-get or the aptoncd meta-package
[10:58] <Guest85439> i tried that
[10:58] <Guest85439> less errors , but still too many
[10:58] <Guest85439> will try it now
[10:58] <Guest85439> again
[11:01] <Guest85439> i start it up , and try to get something installed , it tells me that some dependencies are uninstallable , some others are "not going to be installed"
[11:03] <koegs> Guest85439: if you put your command and the error messages in a nopaste, that would be more helpful
[11:03] <Guest85439> abinit:
[11:03] <Guest85439>  Depends: libblas3gf  but it is not installable or
[11:03] <Guest85439> 	libblas.so.3gf or
[11:03] <Guest85439>  	libatlas3gf-base but it is not going to be installed
[11:03] <Guest85439>  Depends: libgfortran3 (>=4.6) but it is not installable
[11:03] <Guest85439>  Depends: liblapack3gf  but it is not installable or
[11:03] <Guest85439> 	liblapack.so.3gf or
[11:03] <Guest85439>  	libatlas3gf-base but it is not going to be installed
[11:03] <koegs> -.-
[11:04] <Guest85439> that's after i marked abinit  for installation using synaptic
[11:21] <bob22> hi folks, xubuntu noob here. I just installed and everythign works great apart from sound. I am using a dell mini 1018 netbook. I have checked volumes and read about 20 articles in the help forum and nothing works. is this a suitable place to ask for help? I am desperate.
[11:22] <Myrtti> could you please elaborate a bit more with "everything works apart from sound"
[11:22] <Myrtti> don't even know if we can help with that amount of knowledge :-(
[11:23] <bob22> Myrtti, thank you. well basically I cant hear any sound when I play an mp3 or watch youtube. Everything else works in terms of wifi etc.
[11:23] <bob22> what i mean is that sounds is broke
[11:23] <Myrtti> and what have you tried so far?
[11:23] <Myrtti> and how is it broken?
[11:25] <bob22> well my card seems to be a intel hd-audio card with a realtek alc272 chipset. Most of the forums talked about adding 'options snd-hda-intel model=dell' to '/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf'
[11:25] <bob22> its doesnt help.
[11:25] <bob22> I can open alsamixer and move all of the sliders.
[11:25] <bob22> but i cant hear anything from the internal speaker or headphones
[11:27] <Myrtti> and when you go to alsamixer, non of the boxes says MM in them?
[11:28] <Myrtti> none, even
[11:29] <bob22> ok so right now Master has 00 in the box and speaker has MM in it
[11:29] <Myrtti> so move over to speaker and press m
[11:31] <bob22> holy crap. so that didnt work for the speaker but when i did it for headphones it worked
[11:32] <bob22> wow, i unpugged my headphones and even got sound from the laptop for a monet then it disappeared
[11:32] <bob22> CAnt believe I didnt cop that before.
[11:36] <bob22> Myrtti, the media keys for volume on my keyboard seem to be causing havoc with the levels in the elsamixer when I click the mute key. thank you for your help. i was looking at this problem in completely the wrong way.
[11:37] <Myrtti> bob22: I'm on debian myself and I know what you mean - there are some problems there. which version of Xubuntu are you running?
[11:38] <bob22> Myrtti, it should be the latest, got it from the site yesterday
[11:39] <bob22> should be easier to find a fix for this. I think the dell media keys are just driving it nuts.
[12:08] <moultonl> I'm trying to line stuff up on my panels (making XFCE look like GNOME2 really) and wonder if it's possible to specify a width on seperators.
[15:05] <xubuntu947> hello i have small problem with 13.04 beta 2 - when i try to install, everything stop after aditional software and internet connection screen
[15:05] <holstein> !13.04
[15:05] <xubuntu947> http://tinypic.com/r/biklci/6
[15:05] <holstein> xubuntu947: i would go with the stable if you want stable.. you can alway try an older iso image
[15:06] <xubuntu947> i love debian testing - i wanna xubuntu 13.04 beta2 :)
[15:07] <xubuntu947> any idea whats going on with this installation issue
[15:08] <drc> xubuntu947: What part of #ubuntu+1 didn't you undrstand?
[15:08] <holstein> xubuntu947: bad iso image.. incompatible harware.. something with the beta iso its self.. but ask in the proper channel please.. thanks!
[15:08] <xubuntu947> all right
[15:08] <xubuntu947> thanks
[15:09] <xubuntu947> drc - i don't read it
[15:09] <xubuntu947> so
[15:09] <xubuntu947>  ...
[16:12] <Akira_> Hey, was wondering if anyone would be able to help me with getting xubuntu onto my windows 8 laptop, any of the discs I burn come up with the same errors (Error: failure reading from sector 0x0 from cd0 and Error: you need to load the kernal first) Any help would be much appreciated!
[16:12] <holstein> Akira_: i would download the 12.04 lts live CD.. i would check the sum.. i would get the 32bit version
[16:13] <holstein> Akira_: look at the constants in your scenario.. did you always use the same internet access? then the downloads could be corrupt.. the same media? try USB.. the same optical drive?
[16:14] <Akira_> I do not have much choice in most of them, but I have tried using unetbootin and that fails with a different error on trying to load the OS
[16:15] <holstein> Akira_: the same target machine. the same internet downloading the iso image
[16:16] <holstein> Akira_: are you using the 32bit 12.04 image?
[16:16] <bekks> As long as your PC supports 64bit, I would use the 64bit cd.
[16:16] <Akira_> Windows 8 is running 64, and I have tried 64, 32 and 64 12.10 and all come up with the same issue
[16:17] <holstein> !md5 | Akira_
[16:17] <holstein> !nomodeset | Akira_
[16:17] <holstein> Akira_: can you boot *any* live linux distros on that hardware?
[16:19] <holstein> also, im suggesting the 32bit iso as more of a troubleshooting step than a personal or professional endoursement of 32bit over 64bit
[16:19] <Akira_> I tried Debian, the bios doesn't recognize it at all
[16:19] <holstein> Akira_: the bios doenst recognize what?
[16:20] <Akira_> The disc
[16:20] <Akira_> it acts as if it doesn't exist
[16:20] <bekks> The bios doesnt recognize any cds, it recognizes your cdrom drive only.
[16:20] <Akira_> Yes, and the disc drive acts as if it's empty
[16:20] <holstein> could be bad hardware... i would check the hardware
[16:21] <Akira_> Hardware is brand new
[16:21] <holstein> Akira_: i would test it.. *all* hardware fails
[16:21] <Akira_> it does, but it runs perfectly fine in OS
[16:22] <holstein> Akira_: i guarantee you its not an issue with all the iso's you are trying.. its going to be something on your end
[16:22] <Akira_> I'm thinking it's more likely some issue with the UEFI bios
[16:22] <Myrtti> out of interest, which laptop is this?
[16:22] <holstein> !uefi | Akira_
[16:22] <holstein> Akira_: yes, that is likely the issue...
[16:27] <Akira_> Myrtti: It's a HP envy DV7, sorry was looking at the link
[16:28] <Akira_> *impending linux doesn't support my laptop*
[16:28] <Myrtti> alright, good to know
[16:28] <Akira_> problem is laptop Bios don't give you much control
[16:28] <Akira_> secure boot is disabled I know that much
[16:31] <Akira_> Well i've copied the 12.04 64 bit files back, time to go try and break my laptop again :)
[16:32] <borgir> hi
[16:35] <borgir> i got a problem, i am kind of a noob when it comes to linux, i am running a xubuntu live dvd and i kinda have to mount a harddrive in a way to be able to write on it but i cant figure out how, moin /dev/sda4 /mnt/sda4 doesent work in a sudo -s shell, says cant find device on fstab, can somebody help me?
[16:35] <holstein> borgir: i might work from a live CD made for recovery
[16:35] <borgir> mount instead of moin i meant*
[16:35] <holstein> !chown
[16:36] <koegs> borgir: which partition type is on it? and can you nopaste your command and the error message?
[16:37] <koegs> !paste | borgir
[16:37] <borgir> ill take a lokk thanks so far, problem is i got an emty harddrive and xubuntu refuses to install so i need to download a new copy first, kinda chicken and the egg
[16:37] <borgir> i tried fat16, ext2 ext3 etc
[16:39] <koegs> if the hard drive is empty i would recommend creating a new partition table and an ext4 partition on that harddrive
[16:39] <koegs> afterwards you should be able to mount it, if not, i would like to see the output of "sudo fdisk -l"
[16:40] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingANewHardDrive helped me add a hard drive to my machine
[16:44] <borgir> the mounting itself issnt the problem
[16:44] <borgir> i can do that from the desktop
[16:44] <borgir> but i need write permissions
[16:44] <holstein> !chown | borgir
[16:44] <borgir> and in terminal mount wont mount my drive in any way
[16:44] <holstein> or, open a root filemanager...
[16:45] <holstein> borgir: is the mounting an issue then?
[16:46] <borgir> the artikle wont help since i need a program to be able to write to the disk
[16:46] <borgir> and it wont start with sudo
[16:46] <holstein> it?
[16:46] <borgir> and i cant moint the drive with write permissions
[16:47] <borgir> firefox or iceweazle or whats it called nowdays and transmission
[16:47] <holstein> borgir: you can chown after mounting.. you can open a root file manager.. you can use something like the ultimate boot cd
[16:48] <borgir> i only have this cd, this is my problem lol
[16:48] <holstein> borgir: ? firefox is a browser.. and transmission is a torrent client
[16:48] <borgir> and no other computers in range
[16:48] <borgir> y they are
[16:48] <holstein> borgir: what are you trying to do?
[16:49] <borgir> and i need them to write to my disk while i am on a xubuntu live cd
[16:49] <holstein> borgir: them?
[16:49] <borgir> i am trying to get them to download a rescue disk since this aint one
[16:50] <holstein> borgir: i dont know what or who "them" is.. what are you trying to do?
[16:50] <borgir> its probably the weirdest situvation
[16:50] <borgir> ther xubuntu and firefox and transmission
[16:52] <borgir> sorry to bother you, i am really a noob and i am trying to figure things out, the old xubuntu on the drive is dead :(
[16:52] <GridCube> borgir, and what do you want to do?
[16:52] <holstein> borgir: you have several options.. one being to chown the partition.. the drive you are trying to write to
[16:55] <borgir> ok i got a live cd running right now, i got no other usable system, the live cd wont install, i need to download a new version, i want firefox and or transmission to download an image of another xubuntu to the disk wich i have probably 10 times gparted and cant get write permissions
[16:55] <holstein> borgir: what would you like to troubleshoot?
[16:55] <holstein> borgir: gparted doesnt work with permissions
[16:55] <borgir> what i just said
[16:56] <borgir> i need write permissions to get a new version
[16:56] <koegs> simple enough, chmod or chown the mounted partition
[16:56] <holstein> borgir: you want the live CD to install? what are the errors?
[16:56] <borgir> since the ramdisk is to smal to
[16:56] <borgir> and mount wont and sudo either
[16:57] <borgir> hm koegs ill try moment
[16:57] <holstein> borgir: mount nor sudo grant permissions..
[16:57] <borgir> holstein one moment
[17:04] <borgir> hah gotta love it, pc freezes stare while dvd dances (live cd)
[17:05] <holstein> borgir: the live CD wont, by its self, fix any issues you have with hardware that might be contributing to the broken installation you have
[17:07] <holstein> i would choose something, and troubleshoot it.. the installation, installing from the live CD.. or just chown/chmod the partition you want to use from the live CD.. i migt test my ram and/or hard drive as well
[17:08] <borgir> holstein: the weird thing is if i try to install from this disk, setup juststops at some point after i type in my username and password in the install, if i dont it copies 2.3 gb data but. ive done sooner then just a couple hundret mb and no error logsas logs or anything
[17:09] <holstein> borgir: what are you installing? from what iso? can you get to the live desktop?
[17:20] <borgir> borgir: i am on a live cd and it just crashed booting takes ages :(
[17:20] <borgir> uhm holstein i meant
[17:21] <brokentoenail> hello.  how do I enable a vpn once it has been added under network connections?
[17:21] <holstein> borgir: all of which could be due to bad hardware
[17:21] <borgir> tslking to myself is kinda poitless :D
[17:21] <holstein> borgir: ? do you see my posts?
[17:21] <holstein> !vpn | brokentoenail this is what i refer to
[17:22] <borgir> nah it crashed since the ram was to full and was cuntinuosly loading from the cd and didnt work anymore
[17:22] <baizon> brokentoenail: http://www.ipvanish.com/visualguides/OpenVPN/Ubuntu/OpenVPN-Ubuntu-11.jpg
[17:22] <baizon> there will be a entry with your vpn conneciton
[17:22] <borgir> the hardware is fine unless u think the hardware from 3 computers is faulty, and yes no harddrives with working ops
[17:23] <brokentoenail> baizon: thank you, that was what I needed.  I was looking for a "connect" button under network connections
[17:23] <borgir> u asked what happens when i try to install, it just stops at some point no error no nothing
[17:23] <holstein> borgir: on all your machines?
[17:23] <borgir> y
[17:23] <holstein> borgir: i would try another iso then... have you tried other images?
[17:24] <borgir> thats what i want to try
[17:24] <borgir> but for that i kinda need to mount my ONE harddrive and let it be writeable
[17:24] <borgir> wich was my first question anyway :(
[17:24] <holstein> borgir: so, thats a no? no, you havent tried other images? just the one.. the *same* one that fails on all of your machines?
[17:24] <borgir> sorry if i sound arrogant i am just frustrated
[17:25] <holstein> borgir: i understand you are frustrated.. no worries.. just try and answer as clearly as possible
[17:25] <borgir> the install is a prog yey, the crashes after about an hour are a prob , yes
[17:25] <holstein> borgir: have you tried other images?
[17:25] <borgir> but its enough time to download and burn an image and i cant do that since i cant write to the hdd
[17:26] <holstein> borgir: you havent poperly implemented the correct permissions to write to your hard drive* (assuming its not damaged)
[17:27] <holstein> borgir: so, you have not tried other images?
[17:27] <borgir> i cant and i want...
[17:27] <borgir> the hdd is not even from me its from a friend and its working fine i just cant write on it with xubuntu
[17:28] <holstein> borgir: chown or chmod the partition you want to use
[17:28] <borgir> no i havent tried, like said i cant since first i gotta download them somehow and yes the hdd is fine and i have no idea what i might have done wrong setting permissions
[17:28] <borgir> any idea how i can mount it writeable?
[17:28] <holstein> borgir: yes.. you use chmod or chown to "mount it writable"
[17:29] <borgir> y but i just get sopme errors
[17:29] <holstein> to be more clear, after you mount the partition, you chown or chmod the mounted directory using the instructions at ...
[17:29] <holstein> !chown | borgir
[17:29] <borgir> maybe i got the parameters wrong i dunnop
[17:29] <holstein> borgir: you can share those errors
[17:29] <holstein> !paste | borgir
[17:29] <holstein> use a pastebin to share the output including errors
[17:32] <holstein> i would get a direct link, and use wget as root.. then, use whatever else i need as root
[17:32] <holstein> !info wget
[17:34] <borgir> somehow i got it to work with chmod wow nice i love it finally :) i love u guys for helping i dunno what it was maybe me beoing stupid but i love you
[17:35] <borgir> but gotta test it with the programs still i dunno ill keep here :)
[17:36] <holstein> borgir: if you have write permission, you have write permission.. any other errors are not permission issues
[17:36] <borgir> y maybe it was me beoing stupid i dunno, i am a noob when it comes to these things
[17:37] <holstein> borgir: i would just use the direct link...
[17:37] <holstein> http://ftp.dei.uc.pt/pub/linux/xubuntu/releases/12.04/release/
[17:37] <borgir> whats still weird though
[17:37] <borgir> the install of the xubuntu never worked on any machine
[17:38] <borgir> it just stopped and nothing happend afterwards but well maybe the cd is faulty i dunno
[17:38] <holstein> !md5 | borgir
[17:38] <holstein> borgir: anytime you have a question like that "mabye the cd is faulty".. just confirm that
[17:39] <borgir> ill take a look at it when i got a working system again for sure, thanks
[17:42] <itz> anyone else noticed jerky scrolling in Firefox 20?
[17:42] <holstein> itz: i havent used ff in a while.. is that a PPA version? or the one from the default repos?
[17:43] <itz> default repo as upgraded yesterday
[17:44] <holstein> itz: i suppose you could downgrade and confirm the issue is in ff20
[17:47] <itz> hmm I'll experiment a bit .. could even be an addin
[17:51] <borgir> since i am waiting and am here i got another question , what is IBus in the System menue from xubuntu? nothing happens when i start it
[22:00] <harris> good greenscreen software
[22:03] <bazhang> harris, to do what
[22:06] <harris> change background of picture that has greenscreen
[22:06] <bazhang> give an example picture harris
[22:16] <harris> bazhang, im sending you a picture
[22:16] <bazhang> harris, paste it to an imgbin, dont dcc it to me
[22:16] <harris> cant
[22:17] <bazhang> !paste| harris
[22:17] <harris> just open it
[22:17] <harris> just open it
[22:17] <bazhang> harris, sure you can.
[22:17] <harris> why cant you just open dcc
[22:17] <bazhang> harris, that not how we do support, thats why
[22:18] <harris> http://imagebin.org/252946
[22:19] <bazhang> harris, you are crossposting this in #ubuntu
[22:20] <harris> yes
[22:20] <harris> i dual boot
[22:20] <bazhang> dont do that
[22:20] <harris> you dont know anything
[22:20] <bazhang> !crosspost | harris
[22:21] <harris> fine ill leave this channel
[22:21] <bazhang> I know you should not crosspost, harris
[22:21] <harris> sorry know anything about greenscreen