[04:13] <rostam> HI, my intention is to create an ubuntu package from multiple source packages based on autotool. Any guildline please? thanks
[06:33] <PuRu_AheR> HI
[06:33] <PuRu_AheR> i want help regarding VNC Server configuration
[09:48] <r4y> Iam having trouble with Deluge, not only is Deluge not uploading when Deluge and Firefox are open Firefox can't find servers such as Youtube, but when Deluge is off Firefox is fine I think
[09:49] <r4y> I tried and triedto install Deluge, both from ppa and not
[09:49] <r4y> It got out of handto say the least
[09:49] <geirha> deluge is probably overwhelming your router
[09:50] <geirha> limit deluge's upload and download bandwidth
[09:50] <r4y> OK, but I can download torrents without problem or so I think
[09:51] <r4y> O also
[09:51] <r4y> I have an att touter now instead of the other router that was linksys
[09:51] <r4y> or however that is spelle
[09:53] <r4y> I remember with theother router sometimes I would have to turn it off for 5 minutes and then start it again but Iam not sureabout this router whichIhaven't had long
[09:54] <geirha> usually it's the uploading that causes your internet to turn slugish. Usually, the upload bandwidth of your internet connection is very low compared to the download bandwidth
[09:54] <geirha> and if deluge uses all the upload bandwidth, firefox will have trouble getting http requests through
[09:54] <r4y> ah
[09:54] <r4y> I meant ahh right
[09:55] <geirha> so make sure deluge uses less than your available upload bandwidth
[09:55] <r4y> http://imagebin.org/252979
[09:55] <r4y> I need to find out what the speed for it is
[09:56] <geirha> there are many online speed testers.
[09:56] <r4y> u verse or something like that
[09:56] <r4y> I have the box it came in here
[09:57] <r4y> AT&T U-verse
[09:57] <geirha> Try http://www.speedtest.net/
[09:58] <geirha> What it says on the box isn't necessarily the truth
[09:58] <r4y> I am still looking but I will try that now
[09:58] <r4y> right
[10:00] <r4y> 0.47 mbps up 3.25 mbps down
[10:01] <r4y> I couldn't seem to find it in the pape work
[10:03] <r4y> I should understand better how to change the settings then I already know. OK, so should I uncheck ignore limitson local network
[10:03] <r4y> I would think so
[10:03] <r4y> rate limit IP overhead, not sure
[10:04] <r4y> Is max connections too high?
[10:04] <geirha> so roughly 60kB/s is your max up speed. I'd limit deluge's to 30kB/s and see how that goes
[10:05] <r4y> kbs are around 1000 or 1024 to every megbit, right?
[10:06] <r4y> OK, I will try what you suggested
[10:07] <geirha> .47 mbps is 470kbps
[10:07] <r4y> the top one called global limits all the torrents under
[10:07] <r4y> O
[10:07] <r4y> cool, ty
[10:07] <r4y> I see, right
[10:07] <geirha> divide by 8 and you get 58.75 kilobytes per second
[10:09] <r4y> I don't understand why to divid by 8
[10:09] <geirha> a byte is 8 bits
[10:09] <r4y> OK
[10:09] <r4y> TY for all the help
[10:10] <r4y> I am trying to relearn math,I have this book that had some neat rules for howo find out if a number is dividable by 2-9
[10:11] <r4y> even numbers=2
[10:11] <r4y> add the numbers to itself 918=99=18=9 can be divided by 3
[10:12] <r4y> 4 is if the last 2 digits can be divided by 4
[10:12] <r4y> 8 is the last 3 digits can be divided by 8
[10:12] <r4y> 1000 is dividable by 8 125 times
[10:12] <r4y> anyways
[10:14] <r4y> I didn't list the rest but 9 is the same method as 3 on that page
[10:14] <r4y> I need a little
[10:16] <r4y> so 2 megabytes down?
[10:17] <r4y> I mean what would you suggest?
[10:18] <geirha> 3.25 mpbs ~ 400kB/s
[10:19] <r4y> I to start over ha ha, o well I know I will get it though
[10:20] <r4y> ~ means home folder, right?, not equals lol
[10:21] <elacheche_anis> r4y, you're right ~ means your home folder /home/xxxx/
[10:21] <r4y> 406 kb
[10:22] <r4y> so 200 kb then if I want to save on download speed for surfing
[10:22] <r4y> approximately
[10:22] <r4y> no?
[10:23] <geirha> I used ~ to mean  "approximately equals"
[10:24] <r4y> OK, trying upload speed difference, I wonder if I will need to turn off my router temperately like I used to have to with my other router
[10:24] <geirha> ascii doesn't have a symbol for it, and I'm not sure how to type the unicode symbol for it. I'd have to look it up
[10:25] <r4y> Of course though I may not get fish at this moment in time so
[10:25] <r4y> cool
[10:28] <r4y> This book shows different ways to right things so
[10:28] <geirha> ctrl+shift+u 2248  ≈   there, happy? ;P
[10:29] <r4y> it's cliffquicknotes basic math and pre-algelbra and I  got to the 4rth chapter, not that I am as good a math as I used to be
[10:29] <r4y> I prefer fractions over decimals
[10:30] <r4y> This book says approximately equals is 2 ~ stacked on on top of the other but it's not on the keyboard
[10:31] <r4y> it also has a dot over
[10:31] <geirha> Indeed
[10:31] <r4y> = for the same
[10:31] <r4y> sorry I hit enter
[10:31] <geirha> which is why it's cumbersome to type the symbol
[10:33] <r4y> You guys are cool, I should try to find an active torrent to test with
[10:33] <geirha> An ubuntu iso perhaps? :)
[10:34] <r4y> lubuntu
[10:34] <r4y> I have some isos here though
[10:34] <r4y> kubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso, I need to find out the checksum
[10:35] <r4y> googling, I will be back when I find out and get this straight
[10:36] <geirha> grab the torrent for that iso, add it to deluge, and set destination dir to where the iso is located.
[10:36] <geirha> Deluge should then verify the iso file against the torrent
[10:36] <geirha> and download any missing pieces, if any
[10:37] <r4y> Great idea
[10:37] <r4y> You must do this a lot
[10:38] <r4y> I am checking kubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso
[10:38] <r4y> I found 12.1o of
[10:38] <r4y> 12.10 rather
[10:39] <r4y> I didn't know I should have googled "kubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso" not kubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso
[10:40] <r4y> with double quotes
[10:40] <r4y> Any ideas where I should be going for this?
[10:41] <r4y> I think I know where
[10:42] <geirha> I'd google «kubuntu torrents»
[10:42] <r4y> Well, I found this: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/precise/release/desktop/
[10:42] <r4y> it doesn't have the one, I will check google for that
[10:43] <geirha> which lead to this:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/12.04.2/release/
[10:43] <geirha> though 12.04.1 is apparently not available anymore. There's 12.04.2 instead
[10:44] <geirha> (browse to the bottom)
[10:45] <r4y> Arg, so what about the iso I have?, should I give up on the file?
[10:46] <r4y> I also have ubuntu-10.04.4-desktop-i386.iso
[10:46] <r4y> and xubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso
[10:46] <geirha> might as well get the 12.04.2 iso, installing the 12.04.1 iso would mean you get a ton of updates to do after install
[10:47] <r4y> What about plugins for each and their browsers, I had a lot of trouble with flash and firefox
[10:47] <geirha> with zsync, you could use the 12.04.1 as a base for downloading 12.04.2. They probably have many blocks in common
[10:48] <r4y> I remember reading how each one has their own
[10:48] <r4y> plugin for viewing videos online
[10:48] <r4y> xine for xubuntu but I am not sure
[10:49] <r4y> and so on
[10:49] <geirha> I don't know. I just use ubuntu
[10:50] <r4y> OK, zsync you say, I will start looking into that
[10:51] <r4y> For the sake of deluge though I should pick a torrent so I am going with lubuntu because I found that the gecko plugin works with this computer for Firefox
[10:52] <geirha> zsync has some similarity to torrents in that the .iso.zsync file contains hashes of pieces of the iso file.
[10:53] <geirha> you tell zsync to use the 12.04.1 iso as a base, it then calculates the same type of hashes for that file and compares them to the zsync file on the server. The pieces that are equal, it copies from the local file, the rest it downloads from the server
[10:54] <r4y> so it can replace this iso with the better one?
[10:54] <geirha> mainly useful for daily cd/dvd images, where the changes between each day are often small, saving you alot of bandwidth
[10:55] <geirha> it doesn't replace it
[10:55] <r4y> Nice
[10:55] <geirha> it just uses the parts of the other file that it can, to avoid having to download the entire file
[10:56] <r4y> I have 4 tabs open and need to sort out which one has what I want for a few minutes
[10:57] <r4y> OK, so do I download the file that ends with .torrent? or open with deluge?, .torrent file I presume.
[10:58] <r4y> for kubuntu-12.04.2-desktop-i386.iso.torrnet I mean
[10:59] <r4y> for zsync
[10:59] <geirha> no, for zsync you use the .zsync file. And as far as I know, there's only one zsync program
[10:59] <geirha> called zsync; a cli command
[10:59] <r4y> in the ubuntu software center, or
[11:00] <geirha> sure, or since you'll need a terminal to use it anyway;  sudo apt-get install zsync
[11:01] <r4y> installing
[11:01] <geirha> zsync -i kubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/12.04/release/kubuntu-12.04.2-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[11:02] <r4y> I must have too much going on a once, the link didn't load
[11:02] <r4y> server not found
[11:03] <r4y> The torrent finished downloading for lubuntu
[11:05] <r4y> it installed but what the: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5682494/
[11:05] <r4y> it says lubuntu
[11:05] <r4y> lol
[11:06] <geirha> where?
[11:07] <r4y> In the terminalwhen I installed zsync
[11:07] <geirha> I don't see lubuntu anywhere in that paste
[11:08] <r4y> O, 1 not l
[11:08] <geirha> do you mean the version? (0.6.1-1ubuntu1)
[11:08] <r4y> lol
[11:08] <geirha> that's a 1 (one), not l (L)
[11:08] <r4y> sorry
[11:08] <r4y> crazy
[11:08] <r4y> so this as a whole command:?
[11:08] <r4y> zsync -i kubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/12.04/release/kubuntu-12.04.2-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[11:09] <r4y> or
[11:09] <r4y> zsync -i kubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso
[11:09] <geirha> yes, assuming you are in the directory where that iso file is located
[11:09] <geirha> no, with the url
[11:09] <r4y> OK so the iso is in the homefolder
[11:11] <r4y> it's reading
[11:12] <r4y> I don't understand how where you got that link
[11:13] <geirha> from  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/12.04/release/
[11:13] <geirha> near the bottom
[11:14] <r4y> Neat, I've been here before
[11:15] <r4y> I googled and found this one:http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/12.04/release/
[11:16] <r4y> I should make notes
[11:17] <r4y> I think the text file should be called How to update iso files of Ubuntu
[11:19] <geirha> how much did it have to download?
[11:21] <r4y> Read kubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso. Target 68.6% complete.
[11:22] <geirha> nice
[11:28] <r4y> if it is under a different path then such as ~/torrents then make it:
[11:28] <r4y> zsync -i ~/torrents/kubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/12.04/release/kubuntu-12.04.2-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[11:30] <r4y> I manned zsync to check out the options whether I will understand how else to use zsync or not
[11:31] <geirha> right
[11:31] <geirha> you can supply multiple -i options too
[11:32] <geirha> zsync -i file1.iso -i file2.iso http://.../file.iso.zsync
[11:32] <geirha> then it'll look for blocks in both those local files, possibly saving more bandwidth, at the cost of more processing locally
[11:32] <r4y> Pretty cool, once it gets done then I can add it to Deluge and upload which is great, ty
[11:34] <r4y> so a little outside the box, but ubuntu 12.04.1 and lubuntu 12.04.2 to change into lubuntu 12.04.3?
[11:35] <r4y> any example if not
[11:35] <geirha> I don't follow
[11:36] <r4y> an example of what
[11:36] <geirha> you mean to use u12.04 and lu12.04.2 isos to download lu12.04.3 with zsync?
[11:36] <r4y> or something like that yes
[11:36] <geirha> well, try :)
[11:36] <r4y> IC
[11:38] <r4y> Couldn't hurt I see
[11:43] <r4y> It has the same amount of bytes when checking properties
[11:45] <r4y> Adding to deluge checking
[11:45] <r4y> It is done checking, it's just a matter of time before I get fish
[11:46] <r4y> or give fish back rather
[11:47] <r4y> OK, so for the options in deluge I am not sure on
[11:48] <r4y> should I uncheck ignore limits on local network
[11:48] <r4y> rate limit IP overhead
[11:48] <r4y> Is max connections too high? 200
[11:49] <r4y> it has noincoming connections at the bottom
[11:49] <geirha> not sure. Might help to ask in a deluge channel for help with specifics of deluge
[11:49] <r4y> I should do what I did earlier and open deluge in the terminal and give back what the terminal says
[11:49] <r4y> ?
[11:50] <geirha> no idea. I've never used deluge myself
[11:50] <geirha> Well, I tried it briefly once, but it doesn't actually make me an expert :)
[11:50] <r4y> OK, well I meant I opened in the terminal before coming to here
[11:51] <r4y> I like the layout of deluge compared to transmission, but it's nice to have more options
[11:53] <r4y> I didn't realize it but since I've used Ubuntu since gutsy gibbons at least, I've been using Ubuntu since 2007 so I have 6 years of use with Ubuntu but I didn't know anything starting out
[11:53] <r4y> and needed serious guidance
[11:56] <r4y> This is when I started to understand:
[11:56] <r4y> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=570642&page=16&p=7202943#post7202943
[11:56] <r4y> 2009
[11:58] <r4y> I've messed up numerous times in the past.
[11:59] <r4y> Just to say for the sake of saying, I am a drummer not a rapper
[12:02] <r4y> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBqwaIm6_fQ
[12:04] <r4y> There aren't many seeders for that kubuntu torrent so
[12:05] <r4y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5682604/
[12:06] <r4y> I made a text file for how to get zsync working which has the name How to update iso files of Ubuntu
[12:07] <r4y> Thank you so much for the help and new info
[12:07] <r4y> I guess now I can delete the other iso called kubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso if I want
[12:10] <r4y> geirha OK, so just in case you know something: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5682615/
[12:11] <r4y> sudo apt-get build-deb for python related packages?, or perhaps something else?
[12:11] <geirha> harmless warnings
[12:12] <geirha> deluge is using deprecated features. They still work, but at some point in the future, those features will be removed.
[12:12] <geirha> I'm sure the deluge devs know about it, and fixes it in a later version
[12:15] <r4y> Right, OK
[12:19] <r4y> TY again, sorry for any trouble, I've got to go to get some things done.
[12:20] <r4y> I am not really if there is any problem, but that's easy to say and not easy to know
[12:21] <r4y> ubuntu.com: Error: Host not found (authoritative)
[12:22] <r4y> The lubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386.iso torrent
[12:22] <r4y> edit trackers has http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce
[12:23] <r4y> I guess I will leave this open, but I got to go and do some things.
[16:54] <rostam> HI What is LVM snapshot? I have seen some references on building ubuntu packages using them.  thanks
[16:56] <holstein> rostam: what are you trying to do?
[16:57] <holstein> http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_lvm_snapshots
[16:58] <rostam> Holstein: I am trying to create a build infrastructure for our own internal developed packages based on autotool. I have been researching on different tools and it seems there are many choices like pbuilder, sbuilder and frankly I am lost.
[16:58] <rostam> Here is how I did for redhat 6.2
[16:59] <rostam> I was able to compile and install all the binaries in a stage directories, then I created one rpm for all the binaries. that made our life very easier, I am hoping to find the same solution...
[17:03] <holstein> rostam: you can do what you like.. its all open.. i would ask in a dev channel
[17:03] <rostam> holstein: thank you
[17:04] <rostam> what is exact name of dev channel/
[17:05] <holstein> rostam: theres not one that i know of for what you are looking for.. i would ask in #ubuntu and maybe look for a mailing list
[17:05] <rostam> holstein: thank you again.
[17:05] <holstein> i dont know enough about it to comment..
[17:05] <holstein> rostam: feel free and hang here though...
[17:06] <geirha> maybe make a mother project with all the projects, and a makefile that builds them all
[17:09] <rostam> geirha: yes this is what I am planning to do. I am also trying to find out if I can leverage from tools such as pbuilder/sbuild since they create a chroot or clean environment. As I said it seems there are lot us of tool out there in contract to rpm development.
[17:12] <geirha> I'd just use a VM, one that gets reset daily, or when you need it
[17:13] <rostam> geirha: thank you, if you also have any more reference I greatly appreciate.
[18:10] <zoktar> Hello, is there a way to list installed packages against packages in my repo?, i think i have some left overs after the dist-upgrade that i would like to remove.
[19:43] <holstein> zoktar: what is "your repo"?
[19:44] <holstein> i usually just upgrade.. you can look in synaptic or where ever you like and see where the package source is
[19:47] <zoktar> well, my repo's, the regular and various ppa's and sources. Im looking mostly for a way to list installed packages that do not exist or are different from the ones in my current repos. So that i can be sure i have everything correctly installed.
[19:50] <holstein> zoktar: i run "sudo apt-get update" and i look for errors.. if any sources are "bad" or "dead", i remove/purge them
[19:51] <holstein> i then run, "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and make sure everything is up to date
[19:51] <holstein> dist-upgrade is *not* a distribution upgrade
[19:51] <holstein> apt-get update pulls in the most recent updates from your sources
[19:51] <holstein> if the ppa's break things, those things will be broken
[19:52] <holstein> there is nothing in ubuntu by default to manage this functionality, since, adding ppa's is not supported
[19:52] <holstein> if you add a 3rd party source, you are bascially taking reponsibility for those sources, since they are outside the default ones that are supported
[19:52] <zoktar> well imaging you have installed a bunch of random packages that are not in your current repos. How would you go about finding and potentially removing them ?
[19:53] <holstein> zoktar: any package manager.. i use synaptic a lot since its powerful and GUI
[19:53] <holstein> !info ppa-purge
[19:54] <holstein> if you are asking "how can i, in default ubuntu, tell what ppa's my packages are coming from?".. bascially, the answer is, that is not default ubuntu anymore
[19:55] <holstein> you can use synaptic to search for any package, and see where its coming from
[19:55] <holstein> you can use ppa-purge to purge any ppas that might be "bad" if you get errors when runing "sudo apt-get update"
[19:56] <Unit193> synaptic can, if you want to know for a single package, apt-cache policy packagename.
[19:59] <zoktar> thanks ill investigate synaptic a bit more then.
[20:03] <rostam> Hi All, I am trying to create LVM snap shot, although I have plenty of disk space (here is the ouput of the vgs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5684064/) it fails for lack of space. What should I do? thanks
[20:42] <holstein> rostam: if you can give it more space, i would
[21:51] <rostam> holstein: Do I need to resintall from the start or ...?