[01:44] <phunyguy> hello, I know epiphany isn't included by default, but I really like it so I installed it.  Is there currently ANY way to get flash working within it?
[01:44] <phunyguy> or do I have to download manually and use nspluginwrapper?
[01:48] <darkxst> phunyguy, I heard flash was working now with 3.8 version, but I havent tried to use it
[01:49] <phunyguy> darkxst: in epiphany?
[01:49] <phunyguy> darkxst: not that I can see.
[01:49] <darkxst> yes
[01:49] <phunyguy> I am on 3.8 also.
[01:51] <jbicha> phunyguy: install epiphany-browser-webkit2 for the new WebKit2 version that supports flash
[01:52] <phunyguy> OH.
[01:53] <phunyguy> I did see that in there...
[01:53] <phunyguy> .thanks
[01:53] <phunyguy> YAY!   Thank you!
[01:53]  * phunyguy offers a free beer
[01:58] <darkxst> jbicha, we could have stuck with epiphany after all ;)
[01:58] <phunyguy> sounds like a good idea to me.  ;)
[01:59] <phunyguy> I love epiphany
[01:59] <phunyguy> well I love things that integrate anyway
[01:59] <phunyguy> I wish there was a tad more integration with other things, but I'm sure that will come in time.
[01:59] <jbicha> darkxst: we wouldn't have been able to do the new webkit for raring
[02:00] <darkxst> yeh true
[02:00] <phunyguy> maybe You guys can answer this for me....
[02:00] <jbicha> with the new shorter release cycle, the lack of support for epiphany isn't as glaring but then there's the question of how long can we support the LTS releases
[02:00] <phunyguy> so you know how in Unity, if things are maximized, it hides the border and titlebar... is there a setting to globally make that happen in gnome?
[02:01] <jbicha> with firefox we don't have to worry about updates or having an old version
[02:17] <darkxst> jbicha, the whole release cycle thing is moot, if we can't even get a simple g-s update into Quantal!
[02:17] <phunyguy> nevermind.  found it!  http://www.webupd8.org/2011/05/how-to-remove-maximized-windows.html
[02:20] <darkxst> lol, F19 is great, X segfaults about 2secs after logging in ;)
[02:22] <phunyguy> http://i.imgur.com/0Tjjnsb.png
[02:22] <phunyguy> there is hidden borders
[02:27] <jbicha> oh we ship gwibber by default, hmm
[02:28] <jbicha> I think we're going to have to nuke that
[02:30] <phunyguy> what's wrong with gwibber?
[02:32] <jbicha> phunyguy: it doesn't exist any more :( https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/3.7.0bzr13.04.05-0ubuntu1
[02:40] <phunyguy> "transitional package depending on the renamed friends-app package" ?
[02:40] <phunyguy> what does that mean?
[02:41] <jbicha> it means that Ubuntu considers friends-app to be the replacement for gwibber
[02:41] <jbicha> gwibber is no longer maintained
[02:46] <darkxst> jbicha, yeh nuke it, people should really be using empathy anyway ;)
[02:46] <phunyguy> awww... evolution exchange plugins are broken with gnome3 ppa and gnome-3 staging
[02:46] <phunyguy> gnome3-staging*
[02:47] <phunyguy> darkxst: empathy and gwibber are two very different things...
[02:47] <jbicha> darkxst: well gwibber & empathy are two different apps but friends just doesn't fit with a gnome desktop
[02:47] <phunyguy> one is for IM, the other is for social networking
[02:48] <darkxst> oh right
[02:48] <jbicha> phunyguy: evolution-exchange has been broken for a while or did you mean something else?
[02:49] <phunyguy> exchange-ews and exchange-mapi wont install
[02:49] <phunyguy> broken dependencies
[02:50] <phunyguy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5681714/
[02:51] <phunyguy> no biggie.  gmail works, and I dont really use this laptop for work although it would be useful to access work email from it.  not a dealbreaker.
[02:52] <darkxst> phunyguy, those packages are from evo 3.6
[02:52] <phunyguy> yeah That's what I guessed
[02:54] <darkxst> they would need to be updated to 3.8 versions if they are going to work
[02:57] <phunyguy> hopefully that happens, just no big deal right now
[02:57] <phunyguy> Other than that, I am really enjoying this distro.
[03:03] <phunyguy> need to find some working themes, I like the switch to turn Adwaita dark, but it only works for gtk3 apps :(
[03:06] <jbicha> phunyguy: that toggle breaks USC's theming
[03:06] <phunyguy> meh.
[03:06] <phunyguy> ooh yeah jbicha, you mean the crash?
[03:07] <phunyguy> dangit.
[03:07] <phunyguy> it looks so pretty :(
[03:08] <jbicha> USC doesn't crash here; it's just that the theme is broken with that option
[03:09] <phunyguy> oh may have been a fluke
[03:10] <phunyguy> nope, keels over.
[03:11] <phunyguy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5681750/
[03:14] <phunyguy> Oh man, google calendar, mail drive, contacts plugins are sweet
[03:16] <darkxst> or if you don't like giving all your data to google, ownCloud integration achieves mostly the same things ;)
[03:23] <phunyguy> yeah that is in the plans for the future.
[03:23] <phunyguy> haven't set it up yet
[03:24] <phunyguy> does owncloud integrate with an iphone and android device?
[03:24] <darkxst> there are apps for iOS and android
[03:24] <darkxst> but obviously you won't get integration into core iOS apps
[03:25] <phunyguy> ahh yeah
[03:25] <phunyguy> that would keep me on google for the time being
[03:26] <phunyguy> tbh I really only use it for email currently
[03:29] <phunyguy> test
[06:42] <darkxst> oh no, I have no sound ;(
[06:46] <darkxst> no sound on two different computers... even worse!
[08:06] <Blinkiz> Hi. I just installed 13.04 and I can not get the gnome shell to appear. In the syslog I have message from gnome-session about app gnome-shell.desktop respawning too quickly.. whale is dead...
[08:06] <Blinkiz> How can I troubleshoot this? I have a Intel platform with 4000 graphics card
[08:19] <darkxst> Blinkiz, does gdm work?
[08:20] <Blinkiz> darkxst, I guess, it starts. I have auto login active
[08:20] <Blinkiz> just updated the kernel to 3.8.6. Lets see if that solves it
[08:21] <Blinkiz> nupp
[08:21] <darkxst> paste up X logs
[08:22] <Blinkiz> darkxst, you have a smart way to paste up from console?
[08:23] <darkxst> Blinkiz, paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log into pastebin http://paste.ubuntu.com
[08:25] <Blinkiz> darkxst, found pastebininit
[08:26] <Blinkiz> please wait, doing a restart to get a clean Xorg file for you
[08:26] <darkxst> old one is fine
[08:26] <darkxst> just so long as it has the errors in it
[08:26] <Blinkiz> darkxst, Here you go, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5682187/
[08:27] <darkxst> nothing bad in there
[08:27] <darkxst> try ~/.cache/gdm/session.log
[08:28] <Blinkiz> darkxst, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5682189/
[08:29] <darkxst> Blinkiz, ok, that is bad, but not helpful
[08:29] <darkxst> next stop would be /var/log/gdm
[08:30] <darkxst> probably :0-greeter.log
[08:30] <darkxst> and/or :0-slave.log
[08:31] <Blinkiz> darkxst, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5682194 and http://paste.ubuntu.com/5682195
[08:32] <darkxst> Blinkiz, does it work without autologin?
[08:33] <Blinkiz> let me try, please wait
[08:34] <Blinkiz> darkxst, Changed in /etc/gdm/custom.conf the line AutomaticLoginEnable to false. If that is enough, I do not see the login screen on startup
[08:35] <darkxst> Blinkiz, that is not really used
[08:35] <Blinkiz> darkxst, okay, then I do not know where to disable autologin
[08:35] <Blinkiz> I can search some more, please wait
[08:37] <darkxst> Blinkiz, how did you turn it on?
[08:38] <Blinkiz> darkxst, install program, gnome ubuntu 13.04 beta 2 live-cd. There is an option there
[08:40] <darkxst> probably you can turn it off with gsettings
[08:40] <darkxst> but I dont know what key
[08:41] <Blinkiz> darkxst, ok, I search for it, please wait
[08:44] <Blinkiz> darkxst, Could not find it. I just reinstall, I have a fast computer, it will just take a sec..
[08:44] <darkxst> ok
[08:50] <Blinkiz> darkxst, okay, finished the reinstall. I can not see gdm
[08:50] <Blinkiz> I mean, login prompt
[08:52] <darkxst> Blinkiz, paste up the new :0-slave.log
[08:53] <Blinkiz> darkxst, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5682232/
[08:53] <darkxst> same stuff, gdm-launch-environment][1583]: GLib-CRITICAL: g_variant_compare: assertion `!g_variant_is_container (a)' failed that is bad
[08:54] <darkxst> could be a openGL issue, perhaps try install lightdm
[08:54] <Blinkiz> darkxst, sure, please wait
[08:55] <darkxst> normally intel graphics are free from GL issues, but this isnt the first time I have heard of issues
[08:57] <Blinkiz> darkxst, lightdm is shown. Seems okay.
[08:57] <Blinkiz> darkxst, After login to Gnome it fails again, I only see background wallpaper
[08:57] <darkxst> probably running with software rendering though
[08:58] <darkxst> try blacklist the intel kernel module
[08:59] <Blinkiz> darkxst, sure, what is the module name, "intel"?
[09:00] <darkxst> on my (older) laptop its 'i915'
[09:01] <darkxst> I swear there is a bug report for this issue somewhere, but can't find it right now
[09:02] <Blinkiz> darkxst, blacklist i915 did nothing
[09:03] <darkxst> find the right module with 'lsmod' then
[09:03] <darkxst> or look at the syslog
[09:03] <Blinkiz> Did the back
[09:03] <Blinkiz> darkxst, seems like i915 is loaded
[09:04] <Blinkiz> darkxst, did the blacklisting in the file /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. "blacklist i915". Is this correct?
[09:04] <darkxst> how can it be loaded if you blacklisted it!
[09:05] <darkxst> yeh
[09:05] <darkxst> well blacklist.conf?
[09:06] <Blinkiz> darkxst, sure, please wait
[09:09] <Blinkiz> darkxst, i915 is not in used anymore (lsmod). But it still does not work
[09:09] <darkxst> ok, strange
[09:09] <darkxst> this a laptop or desktop?
[09:10] <Blinkiz> desktop
[09:10] <darkxst> more strange!
[09:10] <Blinkiz> darkxst, you want some new logs?
[09:10] <darkxst> can you boot a normal Ubuntu image
[09:11] <darkxst> and then run 'glxinfo | grep -i opengl'
[09:11] <Blinkiz> darkxst, yes, no problem. By mistake I installed ubuntu 13.04 beta 2 before I did the gnome ubuntu install
[09:11] <Blinkiz> darkxst, Gnome ubuntu 13.04 live cd works without problem. Can I run it from there?
[09:12] <darkxst> hmm, no, needs to be from a semi-broken state
[09:14] <Blinkiz> darkxst, please explain more what you mean with "can you boot a normal image". I do not understand
[09:14] <darkxst> Blinkiz, install normal Ubuntu
[09:14] <Blinkiz> darkxst, sure, tasksel?
[09:15] <Blinkiz> darkxst, did apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:15] <darkxst> hmm, maybe best to just do the normal install
[09:15] <Blinkiz> darkxst, Is that what you mean I should be doing?
[09:16] <darkxst> Blinkiz, install vanilla ubuntu, login into unity and run the command I gave you before
[09:16] <darkxst> glxinfo ...
[09:16] <Blinkiz> darkxst, ubuntu (unity) is starting without problem. i915 still blacklisted
[09:19] <Blinkiz> darkxst, This is with i915 still backlisted. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5682268/
[09:19] <Blinkiz> I do a reboot and remove i915 blacklisting
[09:21] <Blinkiz> darkxst, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5682275/ is with i915 enabled
[09:21] <darkxst> hmm that looks right
[09:22] <Blinkiz> darkxst, Still want me to reinstall with vanilla ubuntu image and not just "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" as I did on this gnome ubuntu image?
[09:22] <darkxst> no
[09:24] <darkxst> I am kinda out of ideas, but you could try install gnome3 ppa
[09:25] <darkxst> see if that helps
[09:25] <Blinkiz> darkxst, sure, please wait
[09:30] <Blinkiz> darkxst, In lightdm, when trying to login to gnome 3.8, it hangs lightdm. Gnome 3.6 I chould see the wallpaper at least
[09:31] <Blinkiz> darkxst, Lets test with gdm, switching..
[09:31] <darkxst> won't help gdm uses gnome-shell to render login screen
[09:32] <Blinkiz> darkxst, yep, no luck there, gdm is not visible
[09:32] <Blinkiz> darkxst, I guess I have to install KDE then ;)
[09:32] <darkxst> essentially the issue is that openGL is slightly broken
[09:33] <darkxst> I don't know why though
[09:33] <darkxst> also normally blacklisting the i915 will fix that, since it make gnome-shell fallback to software rendering
[09:33] <darkxst> do file a bug with all your logs before you install KDE!
[09:33] <Blinkiz> darkxst, Maybe I should try different kernels?
[09:34] <darkxst> Blinkiz, you could try the new mesa
[09:35] <Blinkiz> darkxst, sure, please wait
[09:35] <darkxst> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-staging
[09:37] <Blinkiz> darkxst, okay, so not https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa ?
[09:38] <darkxst> well that will pull in a lot of other stuff
[09:38] <darkxst> but sure you could try that also
[09:39] <darkxst> the one I gave, should be copied into raring on Monday
[09:39] <Blinkiz> darkxst, No luck with x-swat.
[09:39] <Blinkiz> Trying the other
[09:41] <darkxst> if its not a mesa bug, I suppose its a kernel bug
[09:41] <darkxst> or a bug in gnome-shell caused by a bug in the kernel, or something fun like that
[09:42] <Blinkiz> darkxst, xorg-edgers did not work. Trying different kernels..
[09:43] <darkxst> and my desktop mobo doesnt support IGP so I can't actually try and reproduce the issue ;(
[09:44] <darkxst> try a 3.9rc perhaps
[09:52] <darkxst> I have to go now
[09:59] <Blinkiz> darkxst, v3.9-rc4-raring does not work.
[09:59] <Blinkiz> darkxst, v3.8.6-raring does not work.
[10:04] <Blinkiz> darkxst, v3.7.10-raring does not work.
[10:05] <Blinkiz> darkxst, v3.6.11-raring does not work.
[10:05] <Blinkiz> I also need to leave, thanks for the great help
[13:08] <Hoffa_> does anyone know mdadm
[13:12] <roasted> I use mdadm in a mirror on my. desktop and server
[13:22] <roasted> I'm working with an awful  mobile connection though so I may  not be able to offer too much more insight
[13:37] <bennypr0fane> hey, I am thinking about replacing regular Ubuntu 12.04 on my laptop with 13.04 Gnome. 12.04 has not been performing well on the laptop from the start, and switching frim Unity to Gnome it stayed about the same. How are youre experiences with 13.04 Gnome, performance-wise? Would you say that newer Gnomes have gotten any easier on the hardware, or maybe just smoother? I'm really into the Gnome look and feel, and what you can do with it in the recent
[13:37] <bennypr0fane> builds - hoping for the customizations (shell extensions, themes) to become more integrated and well-supported OOTB as development proceeds. So, I'd really love for my laptop with its not-so-powerful hardware to like Gnome...
[14:14] <roasted> the only system where Ubuntu GNOME is a bummer is with my netbook, which is a single core Intel atom processor with a very slow drive
[14:16] <roasted> my other systems are i3, i3, i5 mobile, core 2 duo, so I'm running ancient gear but it runs great on them
[14:17] <roasted> I'm not*
[14:18] <roasted> Intel graphic chipsets for the most part
[14:31] <bennypr0fane> well, there is, "kinda ok, but still", and there's "a bummer". People have different expectations. You now when in Ubuntu a window goes grey when it freezes? That's what I'm talking about on my laptop - maybe acceptable for some (bcs it's never for longer than a few seconds), not for me
[14:33] <bennypr0fane> roasted to elaborate, this is my laptop: Acer Travelmate 8172Z Intel Pentium (dual core) U5400 @1,2GHz
[14:34] <bennypr0fane> it has an onboard Intel HD GPU
[14:35] <bennypr0fane> Is there a difference, in the amount of work to be done, and in technical difficulty, between: 1) upgrading from a x.04 to a x.10 release, and 2) upgrading from an x.10 release to an (x+1).04 release?
[15:58] <semente_> hi guys! tried install latest ubuntu gnome beta 13.04 but gnome doesnt starts... to login screen doesnt shows up, just a background
[15:58] <semente_> s/to login/the login
[15:59] <jbicha> semente_: are you using the gnome3 ppa?
[16:01] <semente_> jbicha: I tried as well, but got the same problem
[16:05] <semente_> I tried a amd64 iso
[16:07] <jbicha> is this an upgrade or a new install?
[16:07] <semente_> new install
[16:07] <semente_> the latest beta iso (april 2)
[16:07] <jbicha> have you tried the regular Ubuntu image? does it have the same problem?
[16:08] <semente_> no, I didn't.. but I could use GNOME from the iso (before install)
[16:08] <semente_> I've checked the logs but didn't find any useful information
[16:09] <semente_> when I start the system, I just see the background and the mouse cursor
[16:10] <semente_> I choosed to encrypt the whole system as well, but I don't think it might be a problem since it is decrypted on boot and works transparently to the rest of the system
[16:18] <jbicha> what graphics driver are you using?
[16:39] <semente_> jbicha: it is a intel
[18:05] <guntram> Hello everybody! I've just installed the daily build of Ubuntu Gnome 13.04. Did all Updates and while apt-get installing a lot of other stuff, the system logged me off (as usual after some time). Now I'm not able to log in anymore!
[18:08] <guntram> This means: Everytime I pull up the log-in window (using either the mouse or keys (ENTER)) it shows "Legitimationsfehler" (error in legitimation) as if I would have already entered some (false ;-) ) information...
[18:08] <guntram> ...and closes immediately...
[18:09] <guntram> I can't open another terminal, because the system is blocked by the login-window :-(.
[18:09] <guntram> Any idea, how to fix this?
[20:54] <darkxst> jbicha, semente_, I keep hearing about this issue with some intel cards, but don't know how to fix yet.
[20:55] <darkxst> live cd works, but installed system fails
[21:26] <darkxst> semente_, if you can enable gdm debugging (/etc/gdm/custom.conf) and then file a bug with /var/log/\:0*.log files
[21:26] <darkxst> that might help us track down the issues
[21:33] <guntram> Resolved my issue by installing gnome-ppa, which means it may resist in standard installations!
[21:37] <darkxst> guntram, that should have been fixed in 3.6.3
[21:38] <darkxst> which is in raring default install
[21:52] <guntram> hmmm...I still had it in a fresh install of raring (newest Gnome Daily Build)!
[21:53] <darkxst> guntram, ok, if you ever hit it again, grab  a copy of the ~/.cache/gdm/session.log (before restarting session)
[21:54] <guntram> How could I? I had no access to my computer!
[22:51] <mmoya_> is it safe to install gnome 3.8 from ppa over the final beta ?
[22:52] <jbicha> mmoya_: do you know how to use ppa-purge if something doesn't work right?
[22:53] <mmoya_> jbicha: je, yes, I know
[22:53] <jbicha> then yes it should be safe, use 'dist-upgrade' though :)
[23:05] <AbsintheSyringe> hey
[23:05] <AbsintheSyringe> I'm on a 13.04 GNOME remix with gnome3-team repo for GNOME 3.8
[23:06] <AbsintheSyringe> and everything is great except my nautilus is ... unusably slow
[23:07] <AbsintheSyringe> any ideas? Tried by removing dropbox, didn't help then I did "rm -rf .config, .gconf, .gnome2, and .local" but nothing helped ...
[23:09] <AbsintheSyringe> I had a similar problem on Debian Sid, with GNOME 3.8 from experimental ... wasn't fun but I fixed nautilus being slow by switching to different kernel (3.8 from experimental) and it just worked. On 13.04 I also tried the same trick by moving from 3.8 kernel to 3.5 but didn't help