kvarleypopey: \008:27
kvarleypopey: How goes it?08:27
popeyok ☺08:35
kvarleyDoes anybody know of any sample LibreOffice files? I just need some files to show somebody that LibreOffice in action is pretty nice08:38
popeygoogle .odt etc?08:38
kvarleyDidn't find much doing that, plus no idea about licenses08:41
kvarleyI'm using generatedata.com to get some spreadsheet files & then will just find some text and paste into a writer doc08:42
mungbeanhow about opening their existing work in LO to see if it works ok?08:44
kvarleymungbean: Don't have their work yet, this is a demo :)08:45
popeythere used to be some stuff in the example-content package08:57
popeymight still be on lucid08:57
shaunoI was gonna say, the livecd used to have that09:00
MartijnVdSooh, bytemark's new virtualisation platform is cool & shiny :)09:46
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brobostigongood morning everyone,09:52
kvarleyHow do I work out what screen DPI I need when the only figure I have is PPI ?10:29
MartijnVdSPPI = pixels per inch, DPI = dots per inch10:29
MartijnVdSwhich shoul be exactly the same :)10:29
kvarleyApparently they aren't tho :/10:29
MartijnVdSwell X locks DPI at 96 I think, because otherwise some programs look horrible10:30
kvarleyMartijnVdS: I was gonna override X settings via Xresouces.10:30
kvarleyMartijnVdS: My screen is 300 ppi, so you think if I set to 300 dpi it'll look ok?10:30
MartijnVdSit should.. but some programs might not cope well10:31
kvarleyIt's just everything is tiny otherwise10:31
MartijnVdSkvarley: ^ you need that answer :)10:31
kvarleyBut then I'll still be running at 96 api10:32
MartijnVdSkvarley: not a problem10:32
kvarleyBut won't it mean I the pixels are more noticable10:32
kvarleyWhat on earth is DPI for then? lol10:33
MartijnVdSIt used to be for scaling fonts to the same size on all kinds of displays10:33
MartijnVdSBut a lot of toolkits/programs were written without that in mind10:33
MartijnVdSor doing it wrong (because for a long time, screens were 96dpi or close to it)10:34
MartijnVdS(so people had no real way to check)10:34
kvarley MartijnVdS: So screen resolution and dpi doesn't really matter? Confused10:34
kvarleyThe relationship between them that is10:35
MartijnVdSkvarley: dpi = number of dots (pixels) in every inch of display10:35
MartijnVdSthis changes with the resolution you set10:36
MartijnVdSX keeps it at 96 regardless of which resolution or what size screen you have10:36
kvarleyAh ok10:36
MartijnVdSexcept if you force-change it, which might confuse programs (which is why it's force-set at 96)10:36
kvarleyI wonder what Mir will do ;)10:36
popeyhello sebsebseb10:55
kvarleyMartijnVdS: Thanks10:55
sebsebsebpopey: any tips on organising a release party? bringing people together etc, from all over hte country etc11:01
sebsebsebpopey: they finally want them done for Mageia :d  new release next month11:01
sebsebsebjacobw: yeah11:06
sebsebsebone of  thousands of other distros11:06
kvarleyjacobw: Mandriva based11:07
sebsebsebMandriva fork11:08
kvarleyAh, yeah, my bad :)11:10
jacobwI've never used Mandriva11:17
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mungbeanmy 10.04 PC on my desk at work \o/  13:17:00 up 365 days, 22:04,  3 users,  load average: 0.36, 0.50, 0.3312:17
MartijnVdSmungbean: time for an upgrade & reboot!12:19
mungbeanhow dare thee12:22
mungbeanon it's uptime birthday?12:22
mungbeanmmmm bacon o'clock12:33
mungbeanawesome pic of the day: http://imgur.com/A9KIIFj12:34
popeysebsebseb: generally, organise one and people will turn up12:54
popeyso long as it's in a place people can get to (e.g. London) and not somewhere ridiculously far away from civilisation (e.g. Scotland)12:55
brobostigonor banbury.12:57
* StevenR_ glares at popey 13:02
mungbeani'm getting recommendations for a video that i don't want , after i've removed it from my history - any ideas how to properly purge it?13:57
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kvarleyI've never heard my CPU fan kick in until now, squashing a VM FS :)14:25
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SuperEngineerReginex [aka all the silly "is now known as"] is now known as an official pain i.t.a.  Can't someone kick/ban?15:41
SuperEngineerDJones: to give more info would be to feed.  PM?15:44
DJonesThats fine15:44
mungbeanlate night?15:53
daubersmungbean: Wrong time zone15:54
* daubers is in Vegas for a trade show15:54
MartijnVdSand the gambling15:55
MartijnVdSand the women15:55
daubersNah, don't gamble and am married....15:55
MartijnVdS.. the view?15:55
SuperEngineer..the lack of natural water?15:56
mungbeanvegas is the worst place on earth IMHO...my sympathies15:56
shaunoI believe they have a notable hole in the floor that they claim is even bigger than the cheddar gorge15:56
MartijnVdShm, I think my hot water/heating company is trying to get me to shower more often15:56
MartijnVdSthat, or they've gotten a LOT cheaper15:57
dauberss/hot water\/heating company/girlfriend15:57
MartijnVdSdaubers: I'm getting half my deposit back15:57
MartijnVdSdaubers: which means I've been paying too much since I've been living here.. or prices have gone down dramatically15:57
daubersArghhhh! Wrong! BBC News has adverts!!15:58
MartijnVdSdaubers: muhahaha15:58
MartijnVdSdaubers: do you have BBC America (Doctor Who!)15:58
daubersDon't think so15:59
daubersMight setup a proxy in the office DC and route stuff through there15:59
* SuperEngineer sees queue of mothers on BBC News by the sign MMR jabs this way.... /me plots ;)16:01
brobostigonnew dr who in an hour, :)16:09
SuperEngineerbrobostigon: already got reminder set :)16:10
brobostigonSuperEngineer: :)16:10
SuperEngineerAnyone bet on thew Grand National today? [I bet on one called Unity]...16:15
SuperEngineer...some thought it wouldn't make past the start line.. others thought it would limp home... some thought it would win]16:15
SuperEngineer[I didn't mind... I also had money on "Cairo dock"]16:16
* SuperEngineer places bet on next years Cheltenham Gold cup... money now on "El-T-Ess :D16:22
SuperEngineerDr. Who minus 40, folks16:35
brobostigonbeer ready, :)16:38
MartijnVdSTV time :)16:56
bigcalmStill haven't watch last week's17:02
MartijnVdSbigcalm: too late now17:03
bigcalmMartijnVdS: not really, we have it recorded17:04
kvarleyIs it possible in LXDE to set it to automatically login a guest ?17:05
MartijnVdSkvarley: you'd have to look at the display manager for that17:08
MartijnVdSkvarley: does lxde use lightdm?17:08
SuperEngineersigning off ready for DW... have fun folks17:08
kvarleyMartijnVdS: Found it17:08
kvarleyMartijnVdS: I think it's part of LXDM17:08
kvarleyWe'll see, just resquashing17:09
* MartijnVdS watches the "BBC One HD cannot yet show programmes from your area" screen17:10
MartijnVdS\o/ freesat..17:10
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kvarleyMartijnVdS: weird, I tried a card a bit back and the BBC channels were fine17:12
kvarleyMartijnVdS: Only issue I had was really slow channel change times17:12
MartijnVdSdoc o'clock!17:15
MartijnVdSkvarley: it's only like that for local news17:15
kvarleyAh, that explains it17:15
popeyMartijnVdS: we see that message too ☹18:06
MartijnVdSpopey: BBC One HD @ Satellite?18:08
MartijnVdSpopey: or do they do it for terrestrial broadcasts as well?18:08
Myrttiawww my gawd, the michael buble guy is on Voice?!?!18:18
MartijnVdSthe who?18:18
Myrttithe video that's been making rotations in Facebook18:18
MartijnVdSnot on this side of the water \o/18:19
MartijnVdSMyrtti: I'll stick to Ólafur Arnalds for the moment ;)18:19
mungbeanjust discovered youtube-dl. awesome, does resume too.18:34
MartijnVdSwow.. defragging my homedir (btrfs) actually worked18:43
MartijnVdSapparently defrag isn't recursive, so you have to use "find"18:43
GentileBenMartijnVdS: what do you think of Van Persie's recent goal drought?19:01
MartijnVdSGentileBen: I don't know, who or wat is Van Persie?19:01
GentileBenHe's your fellow Dutchman. Plays as a forward for Manchester United.19:02
GentileBenDon't act like you don't know - you probably had a bet on him not to score against Romania.19:02
MartijnVdSGentileBen: This is the only football I watch is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFc1vSyv9JM19:02
brobostigontheoretically, where should hostapd log to?19:22
MartijnVdSsyslog, I guess19:25
MartijnVdSare you running it on your machine? Or on a router?19:25
MartijnVdS(in the last case, openwrt? logread!)19:25
brobostigonMartijnVdS: debian testing, rpi model b.19:26
MartijnVdSah.. I'd say /var/log/ somewhere19:26
MartijnVdS probably syslog or messages19:26
MartijnVdSmaybe even auth.log if it's doing RADIUS19:26
brobostigonnope, not using radius, wpa2-psk.19:26
MartijnVdSls -lart /var/log see which file was updated the latest, tail -f those19:27
brobostigonMartijnVdS: i have found bits in both daemon.log and syslog. another question, do you know of a monitor of some kind, for hostapd, i seem to be hitting a dead end.19:28
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: you could run it in debug mode19:28
brobostigonMartijnVdS: interesting idea.19:28
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: if you can add "daemon args" in /etc/default/hostapd or /etc/init.d/hostapd, add '-d' or '-dd'19:29
brobostigonMartijnVdS: let me have a look.19:29
brobostigondaemon_opts= is there.19:30
brobostigonin the former.19:30
MartijnVdSOK, add "-d" (if that's still not verbose enough, make it "-dd" to that, in quotes is probably best19:31
MartijnVdSthen restart the daemon19:31
brobostigonMartijnVdS: ok, let me try that, when i restart it, will everything disconnect?19:31
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: yes19:31
MartijnVdSbut they'll reconnect immediately19:31
MartijnVdS(as soon as the daemon is back up :))19:32
MartijnVdS(which should be within a second or two)19:32
brobostigonMartijnVdS: ok, let me get better timing then, when no one is using it, alittle later,19:32
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: what's the problem you're trying to solve?19:32
brobostigonMartijnVdS: i just trying to get more informarion about what it is doing, curiosity more than anything, not trying to solve any problem, it works perfectly.19:33
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: hostapd_cli19:33
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: that should give you access to the internals of hostald19:33
MartijnVdSalso, iw wlanX station dump19:33
MartijnVdSyou can set debug level in the _cli app!19:34
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: does that give you enough infoz?19:36
brobostigoninteresting, i ran hostapd_cli, and it says it cannot connect to hostapd.19:36
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: you might have to give it the socket path with -p19:37
MartijnVdSit should be in /var/run somewhere19:37
MartijnVdS(the directory where hostapd keeps its stuff)19:37
brobostigonah, ok,19:37
MartijnVdSstrange that it isn't in the package like that19:39
brobostigonhostapd_cli -p /var/run/hostapd.pid19:40
brobostigonsame result.19:40
MartijnVdSthere should be a directory with a socket 'wlan0' in it19:40
MartijnVdSor whatever your interface name is19:40
MartijnVdSyou should use hostald_cli -p that_directory19:40
brobostigonwlan0 it is.19:40
MartijnVdSit's probably mentioned in /etc/hostapd.conf19:41
MartijnVdSas "ctrl_interrface"19:41
brobostigonnope, nothing there.19:42
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: /var/run/hostapd?19:42
MartijnVdSis there a directory like that/19:42
MartijnVdSmaybe in /tmp? or /var/tmp?19:42
MartijnVdSor /run19:42
brobostigonok, umm, minute. what specifically am i looking for?19:43
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: a file (well, a socket) named 'wlan0'19:43
MartijnVdSfind /var -name wlan019:43
MartijnVdSshould find it19:43
MartijnVdSalso.. you might have to be root to connect to it19:43
brobostigonok, that command gave no result.19:45
MartijnVdSnothing about the socket in the log files in /var/log either?19:45
MartijnVdSor in the hostapd config in /etc/?19:46
brobostigonMartijnVdS: let me have a closer look.19:46
brobostigonno, no socket mentioned in hostapd.conf19:46
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: it's under "ctrl_interface"19:46
brobostigonno, no entry like that in hostapd.conf19:47
MartijnVdScan you pastebin what hostapd_cli tells you?19:48
MartijnVdS(all of it :))19:49
MartijnVdSI haven't used hostapd on Debian/Ubuntu.. only on OpenWRT19:49
brobostigoni never get this right, can i paste it with pastebinit ?19:50
MartijnVdSI tend to paste "manually" on the website19:51
MartijnVdSthat always works19:51
brobostigonhmm, ok, that will take alittle longer. minute.19:52
brobostigonMartijnVdS: http://pastebin.com/ZBjViCLP19:54
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: and without the -p <pidfile> ?19:55
Azelphurwow, my landlord just sunk to a whole new low19:55
brobostigonMartijnVdS: http://pastebin.com/1bsBACWT19:56
AzelphurThe family that live next to me, he called up child protective services and reported them, because the children were living in the flat with extreme health and safety issues, because he wasn't repairing anything, and they took their kids away19:56
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: or actually.. cat that pidfile, and then:19:56
MartijnVdSlsof -p pid_here19:57
SuperEngineerAzelphur: never mind... you can jump in, pull him back to the shore & kiss him19:57
MartijnVdSit should list the socket if it has it open :)19:57
brobostigonMartijnVdS: 8168 it spat out.19:57
SuperEngineer[oops, my bad... - should have read give him the kiss of life]19:57
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: then just do: hostapd_cli -p /directory_the_socket_is_in19:57
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: lsof -p 816819:57
MartijnVdSAzelphur: there must be a way to get that noted in a log somewhere19:58
MartijnVdSAzelphur: (other than an IRC log)19:58
brobostigonMartijnVdS: ok, that spat alot of lines out, what am i looking for?19:58
AzelphurMartijnVdS: what you mean?19:58
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: in the 5th column, look for "unix", then in in the last one, look at the path19:59
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: or pastebin it, and I'll have a look ;)20:00
MartijnVdSAzelphur: Well, you know _why_ the house is under-maintained.. that might make a difference in the case the parents have?20:00
AzelphurMartijnVdS: definitely, they are going to have CPS come out again and I intend to have a few words.20:00
brobostigonMartijnVdS: pipe it into pastebinit ?20:01
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: try it :)20:01
brobostigonMartijnVdS: :)20:01
brobostigonMartijnVdS: http://paste.debian.net/247946/20:01
MartijnVdSI don't think it has the control socket20:02
MartijnVdSadd the ctrl_socket to the config file and restart the daemon :)20:02
brobostigonctrl_interface=wlan0 ?20:02
MartijnVdSno, ctrl_interface=/var/run/hostapd20:03
MartijnVdSit's the path it will use to store the management socket20:03
brobostigonMartijnVdS: then i use that path, on -p for hostapd_cli ?20:05
MartijnVdSI think it might default to /var/run/hostapd though20:05
MartijnVdSbut I'm not sure20:05
brobostigonMartijnVdS: ok, let me get everyone off it, including myself, let me try it.20:06
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: they'll auto-reconnect20:07
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: downtime is only a second20:07
MartijnVdSyou'll probably not notice it20:07
brobostigonMartijnVdS: ok.20:07
MartijnVdSso a warning to everyone should be enough :)20:07
mac___Hi all, i am new to ubuntu and am installing it on to a virtual box vm, i am having extreme difficulties installing guest additions on ubuntu and have followed many instructions from the internet.  I am using Virtual Box 4.2.10, Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS and the host system is Windows 7,  I would appreciate any help in getting guest additions to work.20:09
MartijnVdSmac___: which guide are you following, and what's the error?20:09
MartijnVdSmac___: it should be as easy as:20:10
MartijnVdSmac___: sudo apt-get install dkms20:10
MartijnVdSsudo apt-get install virtualbox-guest-additions20:10
MartijnVdSthen maybe a reboot20:10
mac___i've tried that with no luck, i have also attempted using the iso provided with the windows virtual box install20:10
MartijnVdSmac___: what's the error?20:10
mac___i dont always get an error, but when i have it has been when three checks are being done, something about the module and the kernel, wish i'd wrote it down20:12
MartijnVdSmac___: can you run the commands now?20:13
mungbeanSafety mode has hidden comments for this video. Show hidden comments20:13
mac___right found the error from a google search i did20:13
mungbeanhow do i change this on youutube?20:13
MartijnVdSSafety mode? In preferences, I guess20:13
mac___it is no suitable module for running kernal found20:14
MartijnVdSmac___: ah, but dkms should compile that..20:14
MartijnVdSmac___: but you installed 12.04.2! which has a newer kernel!20:14
MartijnVdSthat might be the problem20:14
mac___dkms was installed with fglrx when i installed that to fix my low graphics error problem20:15
MartijnVdSthat's unrelated.20:15
mac___but then i have also installed it manually20:15
MartijnVdSdkms is just the framework that compiles kernel modules :)20:15
MartijnVdSmac___: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/+bug/1081307/comments/420:16
lubotu3`Ubuntu bug 1081307 in virtualbox (Ubuntu Precise) "virtualbox-dkms 4.1.12-dfsg-2ubuntu0.2: virtualbox kernel module failed to build [merge request]" [High,Fix committed]20:16
MartijnVdSmac___: someone fixed the Virtualbox packages in his PPA20:16
MartijnVdSmac___: http://askubuntu.com/questions/265999/how-to-remove-kernel-lts-enablement-stack\20:16
MartijnVdSmac___: that should give you enough info :)20:16
mac___brill thanks, i'll give it ago20:16
mungbeanseems safety mode to turn off smut also disables all comments20:21
mac___back again, i've had a look through that page you linked but i dont get what i need to do20:24
mac___for example, how do i know if i have the enablement stacks nistalled20:24
brobostigonMartijnVdS: i restarted hostapd, it restarted, i could connect again, but nothing went anywhere, the routing failed.20:35
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: strange20:35
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: fixed now?20:35
MartijnVdSmac___: you have them installed if you used a 12.04.2 ISO image20:36
brobostigonMartijnVdS: i had to manually connect an athernet cable up to it, reapply the iptables rules.20:36
MartijnVdSmac___: or if you used an earlier image and installed them yourself20:36
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: stränge20:36
brobostigonMartijnVdS: yes, i agree.20:37
MartijnVdShttps://sites.google.com/site/openwrtraspi/ ;)20:37
brobostigonMartijnVdS: so, i dont know why that failed to be honest.20:39
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: the interface went down and back up.. did you bridge it to the LAN? Maybe that broke because it went down?20:40
brobostigonMartijnVdS: my brain is shattered. give me a hint, sorry.20:41
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: the wlan0 interface probably disappeared and then re-appeared when hostapd reconfigured it20:41
brobostigonMartijnVdS: yes, i would agree.20:42
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: if you have it bridged to the LAN (so wifi and wired are one "broadcast domain" = (think "network")) that might break the bridge20:42
brobostigonMartijnVdS: http://paste.debian.net/247960/20:43
MartijnVdSyou tend to know you bridged it -- it should be in /etc/network/interfaces :)20:43
MartijnVdSah no, you're NATting/routing20:43
MartijnVdSI don't know..20:44
MartijnVdShttp://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-linux-setting-wireless-access-point/ :)20:45
brobostigonMartijnVdS: let me read about the dridging bit, i think the rest i have down pretty much.20:47
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: you use bridging if you want the device to behave like an "access point" (meaning: wireless devices become part of the wired network)20:48
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: think of a bridge device as a virtual ethernet switch (traffic that comes in on devices that you add to the bridge goes out to other devices on the bridge)20:49
brobostigonMartijnVdS: yes, interesting idea, but would that solve the above issue?20:49
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: don't forget to set the IP *on the bridge interface*, or you'll lose connectivity20:49
MartijnVdSwell it'd remove the firewalling :)20:49
MartijnVdSand the NAT20:49
brobostigonMartijnVdS: now that would help.20:50
MartijnVdSwifi clients would share the DHCP server the RPi uses on its wired interface20:50
MartijnVdSit'd all become one big network20:50
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: I've been playing with bridges, VLANs etc, for a while now (yay openwrt)20:52
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: http://blog.vandestreek.net/2012/10/vms-and-vlans.html has some cool info, for instance20:52
brobostigonMartijnVdS: so, if i setup the bridging, could i directly restart between one and the other.?20:52
MartijnVdSwhat do you mean "directly restart"?20:53
MartijnVdSI think setting up bridging might fail the first time you try it.. do it late at night when nobody is using the network :)20:53
brobostigonMartijnVdS: i mean, revert from one to the other, or can they temporerily work side by side.20:53
MartijnVdSyou'd have to add a bridge first, then move the eth0 config to the bridge (br0)20:54
MartijnVdSthen add eth0 to the bridge20:54
MartijnVdSTHEN completely restart networking20:54
brobostigonok, doesnt sound too bad,20:54
MartijnVdSfix firewall rules to use br0 instead of eth0.. or just add wlan0 to the bridge as well (though the option in hostapd.conf)20:54
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: read /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian first20:55
brobostigonMartijnVdS: also, will this affect ipv6, as i have aiccu and radvd etc setup.20:55
brobostigonMartijnVdS: :)20:55
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: yes, you'll have to set those to use br0 as well20:55
brobostigonMartijnVdS: ok.20:56
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: man bridge-utils-interfaces20:56
brobostigonMartijnVdS: thank you.20:56
MartijnVdSnp :)20:56
MartijnVdSjust sharing knowledge20:57
brobostigonMartijnVdS: i will follow this up in the morning, when the old brian cells have rested,20:57
brobostigonMartijnVdS: hostapd_cli atleast works.20:58
mac_once i followed the instructions i couldn't mount the guest additions iso21:33
mac_and am now unable to boot up the vm because it runs a memtest everytime21:33
mungbeanwow dr who is lame nowdays, its all about sonic the screwdriver21:42
brobostigonMartijnVdS: nah, it was just that ep that was bollocks. the last one, the first in the new series was good.21:43
brobostigonmungbean:  nah, it was just that ep that was bollocks. the last one, the first in the new series was good.21:43
brobostigonsorry MartijnVdS21:43
mungbeanmy memory onlt lasts a week21:43
brobostigonoh dear. :(21:43
mungbeanover reliance on sonic in general makes it all silly21:44
mungbeanmassive mos eisley ripoff too this week21:45
mungbeanoh dear theyre all joining in some cheesy song21:46
brobostigonsorry, for my language there, calling one single dr who ep bollocks isnt nice.21:47
mungbeanone of worst eps in the current era tho21:48
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