[08:24] <popey> Morning
[08:27] <kvarley> popey: \0
[08:27] <kvarley> popey: How goes it?
[08:35] <popey> ok ☺
[08:38] <kvarley> Does anybody know of any sample LibreOffice files? I just need some files to show somebody that LibreOffice in action is pretty nice
[08:38] <popey> google .odt etc?
[08:41] <kvarley> Didn't find much doing that, plus no idea about licenses
[08:42] <kvarley> I'm using generatedata.com to get some spreadsheet files & then will just find some text and paste into a writer doc
[08:44] <mungbean> how about opening their existing work in LO to see if it works ok?
[08:45] <kvarley> mungbean: Don't have their work yet, this is a demo :)
[08:57] <popey> there used to be some stuff in the example-content package
[08:57] <popey> might still be on lucid
[09:00] <shauno> I was gonna say, the livecd used to have that
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> ooh, bytemark's new virtualisation platform is cool & shiny :)
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> g'morning
[09:52] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:29] <kvarley> How do I work out what screen DPI I need when the only figure I have is PPI ?
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> uh
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> PPI = pixels per inch, DPI = dots per inch
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> which shoul be exactly the same :)
[10:29] <kvarley> Apparently they aren't tho :/
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> well X locks DPI at 96 I think, because otherwise some programs look horrible
[10:30] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: I was gonna override X settings via Xresouces.
[10:30] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: My screen is 300 ppi, so you think if I set to 300 dpi it'll look ok?
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> it should.. but some programs might not cope well
[10:31] <kvarley> It's just everything is tiny otherwise
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> http://askubuntu.com/questions/60044/how-do-i-change-the-font-dpi-settings
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: ^ you need that answer :)
[10:32] <kvarley> But then I'll still be running at 96 api
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: not a problem
[10:32] <kvarley> But won't it mean I the pixels are more noticable
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> no
[10:33] <kvarley> What on earth is DPI for then? lol
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> It used to be for scaling fonts to the same size on all kinds of displays
[10:33] <sebsebseb> hi
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> But a lot of toolkits/programs were written without that in mind
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> or doing it wrong (because for a long time, screens were 96dpi or close to it)
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> (so people had no real way to check)
[10:34] <kvarley>  MartijnVdS: So screen resolution and dpi doesn't really matter? Confused
[10:35] <kvarley> The relationship between them that is
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: dpi = number of dots (pixels) in every inch of display
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> this changes with the resolution you set
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> BUT
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> X keeps it at 96 regardless of which resolution or what size screen you have
[10:36] <kvarley> Ah ok
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> except if you force-change it, which might confuse programs (which is why it's force-set at 96)
[10:36] <kvarley> I wonder what Mir will do ;)
[10:55] <popey> hello sebsebseb
[10:55] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Thanks
[11:01] <sebsebseb> popey: any tips on organising a release party? bringing people together etc, from all over hte country etc
[11:01] <sebsebseb> popey: they finally want them done for Mageia :d  new release next month
[11:05] <jacobw> Mageia?
[11:06] <sebsebseb> jacobw: yeah
[11:06] <sebsebseb> one of  thousands of other distros
[11:07] <kvarley> jacobw: Mandriva based
[11:08] <sebsebseb> Mandriva fork
[11:10] <kvarley> Ah, yeah, my bad :)
[11:17] <jacobw> I've never used Mandriva
[12:17] <mungbean> my 10.04 PC on my desk at work \o/  13:17:00 up 365 days, 22:04,  3 users,  load average: 0.36, 0.50, 0.33
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: time for an upgrade & reboot!
[12:22] <mungbean> how dare thee
[12:22] <mungbean> on it's uptime birthday?
[12:25] <MartijnVdS> yes
[12:25] <MartijnVdS> especially!
[12:33] <mungbean> mmmm bacon o'clock
[12:34] <mungbean> awesome pic of the day: http://imgur.com/A9KIIFj
[12:54] <popey> sebsebseb: generally, organise one and people will turn up
[12:55] <popey> so long as it's in a place people can get to (e.g. London) and not somewhere ridiculously far away from civilisation (e.g. Scotland)
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[12:57] <brobostigon> or banbury.
[13:02]  * StevenR_ glares at popey 
[13:57] <mungbean> i'm getting recommendations for a video that i don't want , after i've removed it from my history - any ideas how to properly purge it?
[14:25] <kvarley> I've never heard my CPU fan kick in until now, squashing a VM FS :)
[15:41] <SuperEngineer> Reginex [aka all the silly "is now known as"] is now known as an official pain i.t.a.  Can't someone kick/ban?
[15:43] <DJones> ?
[15:44] <SuperEngineer> DJones: to give more info would be to feed.  PM?
[15:44] <DJones> Thats fine
[15:51] <daubers> Morning
[15:53] <mungbean> late night?
[15:54] <daubers> mungbean: Wrong time zone
[15:54]  * daubers is in Vegas for a trade show
[15:55] <MartijnVdS> and the gambling
[15:55] <MartijnVdS> and the women
[15:55] <daubers> Nah, don't gamble and am married....
[15:55] <MartijnVdS> .. the view?
[15:55] <mungbean> desert?
[15:56] <SuperEngineer> ..the lack of natural water?
[15:56] <mungbean> vegas is the worst place on earth IMHO...my sympathies
[15:56] <shauno> I believe they have a notable hole in the floor that they claim is even bigger than the cheddar gorge
[15:56] <MartijnVdS> hm, I think my hot water/heating company is trying to get me to shower more often
[15:57] <MartijnVdS> that, or they've gotten a LOT cheaper
[15:57] <daubers> s/hot water\/heating company/girlfriend
[15:57] <MartijnVdS> daubers: I'm getting half my deposit back
[15:57] <daubers> Oh.....?
[15:57] <MartijnVdS> daubers: which means I've been paying too much since I've been living here.. or prices have gone down dramatically
[15:58] <daubers> Arghhhh! Wrong! BBC News has adverts!!
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> daubers: muhahaha
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> daubers: do you have BBC America (Doctor Who!)
[15:59] <daubers> Don't think so
[15:59] <daubers> Might setup a proxy in the office DC and route stuff through there
[16:01]  * SuperEngineer sees queue of mothers on BBC News by the sign MMR jabs this way.... /me plots ;)
[16:09] <brobostigon> new dr who in an hour, :)
[16:10] <SuperEngineer> brobostigon: already got reminder set :)
[16:10] <brobostigon> SuperEngineer: :)
[16:15] <SuperEngineer> Anyone bet on thew Grand National today? [I bet on one called Unity]...
[16:15] <SuperEngineer> ...some thought it wouldn't make past the start line.. others thought it would limp home... some thought it would win]
[16:16] <SuperEngineer> [I didn't mind... I also had money on "Cairo dock"]
[16:22]  * SuperEngineer places bet on next years Cheltenham Gold cup... money now on "El-T-Ess   :D
[16:35] <SuperEngineer> Dr. Who minus 40, folks
[16:38] <brobostigon> beer ready, :)
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> TV time :)
[16:59] <brobostigon> :)
[17:02] <bigcalm> Still haven't watch last week's
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: too late now
[17:04] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: not really, we have it recorded
[17:05] <kvarley> Is it possible in LXDE to set it to automatically login a guest ?
[17:08] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: you'd have to look at the display manager for that
[17:08] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: does lxde use lightdm?
[17:08] <SuperEngineer> signing off ready for DW... have fun folks
[17:08] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Found it
[17:08] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: I think it's part of LXDM
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[17:09] <kvarley> We'll see, just resquashing
[17:10]  * MartijnVdS watches the "BBC One HD cannot yet show programmes from your area" screen
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> \o/ freesat..
[17:12] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: weird, I tried a card a bit back and the BBC channels were fine
[17:12] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Only issue I had was really slow channel change times
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> doc o'clock!
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: it's only like that for local news
[17:15] <kvarley> Ah, that explains it
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[18:06] <popey> MartijnVdS: we see that message too ☹
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> popey: BBC One HD @ Satellite?
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> popey: or do they do it for terrestrial broadcasts as well?
[18:18] <Myrtti> awww my gawd, the michael buble guy is on Voice?!?!
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> the who?
[18:18] <Myrtti> the video that's been making rotations in Facebook
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> not on this side of the water \o/
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: I'll stick to Ólafur Arnalds for the moment ;)
[18:22] <Myrtti> awwww.
[18:34] <mungbean> just discovered youtube-dl. awesome, does resume too.
[18:36] <brobostigon> :)
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> wow.. defragging my homedir (btrfs) actually worked
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> apparently defrag isn't recursive, so you have to use "find"
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[19:01] <GentileBen> MartijnVdS: what do you think of Van Persie's recent goal drought?
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> GentileBen: I don't know, who or wat is Van Persie?
[19:02] <GentileBen> He's your fellow Dutchman. Plays as a forward for Manchester United.
[19:02] <GentileBen> Don't act like you don't know - you probably had a bet on him not to score against Romania.
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> GentileBen: This is the only football I watch is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFc1vSyv9JM
[19:22] <brobostigon> theoretically, where should hostapd log to?
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> syslog, I guess
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> are you running it on your machine? Or on a router?
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> (in the last case, openwrt? logread!)
[19:26] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: debian testing, rpi model b.
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> ah.. I'd say /var/log/ somewhere
[19:26] <MartijnVdS>  probably syslog or messages
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> maybe even auth.log if it's doing RADIUS
[19:26] <brobostigon> nope, not using radius, wpa2-psk.
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> ls -lart /var/log see which file was updated the latest, tail -f those
[19:28] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i have found bits in both daemon.log and syslog. another question, do you know of a monitor of some kind, for hostapd, i seem to be hitting a dead end.
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: you could run it in debug mode
[19:28] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: interesting idea.
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: if you can add "daemon args" in /etc/default/hostapd or /etc/init.d/hostapd, add '-d' or '-dd'
[19:29] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: let me have a look.
[19:30] <brobostigon> daemon_opts= is there.
[19:30] <brobostigon> in the former.
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> OK, add "-d" (if that's still not verbose enough, make it "-dd" to that, in quotes is probably best
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> then restart the daemon
[19:31] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ok, let me try that, when i restart it, will everything disconnect?
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: yes
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> but they'll reconnect immediately
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> (as soon as the daemon is back up :))
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> (which should be within a second or two)
[19:32] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ok, let me get better timing then, when no one is using it, alittle later,
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: what's the problem you're trying to solve?
[19:33] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i just trying to get more informarion about what it is doing, curiosity more than anything, not trying to solve any problem, it works perfectly.
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: hostapd_cli
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: that should give you access to the internals of hostald
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> hostapd
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> also, iw wlanX station dump
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> you can set debug level in the _cli app!
[19:35] <brobostigon> :)
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: does that give you enough infoz?
[19:36] <brobostigon> interesting, i ran hostapd_cli, and it says it cannot connect to hostapd.
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: you might have to give it the socket path with -p
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> it should be in /var/run somewhere
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> (the directory where hostapd keeps its stuff)
[19:37] <brobostigon> ah, ok,
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> strange that it isn't in the package like that
[19:40] <brobostigon> hostapd_cli -p /var/run/hostapd.pid
[19:40] <brobostigon> same result.
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> there should be a directory with a socket 'wlan0' in it
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> or whatever your interface name is
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> you should use hostald_cli -p that_directory
[19:40] <brobostigon> wlan0 it is.
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> it's probably mentioned in /etc/hostapd.conf
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> as "ctrl_interrface"
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> uh
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> "ctrl_interface"
[19:42] <brobostigon> nope, nothing there.
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: /var/run/hostapd?
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> is there a directory like that/
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> maybe in /tmp? or /var/tmp?
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> or /run
[19:43] <brobostigon> ok, umm, minute. what specifically am i looking for?
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: a file (well, a socket) named 'wlan0'
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> find /var -name wlan0
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> should find it
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> also.. you might have to be root to connect to it
[19:45] <brobostigon> ok, that command gave no result.
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> hmmm
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> nothing about the socket in the log files in /var/log either?
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> or in the hostapd config in /etc/?
[19:46] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: let me have a closer look.
[19:46] <brobostigon> no, no socket mentioned in hostapd.conf
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it's under "ctrl_interface"
[19:47] <brobostigon> no, no entry like that in hostapd.conf
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> can you pastebin what hostapd_cli tells you?
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> (all of it :))
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> I haven't used hostapd on Debian/Ubuntu.. only on OpenWRT
[19:50] <brobostigon> i never get this right, can i paste it with pastebinit ?
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> I tend to paste "manually" on the website
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> that always works
[19:52] <brobostigon> hmm, ok, that will take alittle longer. minute.
[19:54] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: http://pastebin.com/ZBjViCLP
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: and without the -p <pidfile> ?
[19:55] <Azelphur> wow, my landlord just sunk to a whole new low
[19:56] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: http://pastebin.com/1bsBACWT
[19:56] <Azelphur> The family that live next to me, he called up child protective services and reported them, because the children were living in the flat with extreme health and safety issues, because he wasn't repairing anything, and they took their kids away
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: or actually.. cat that pidfile, and then:
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> lsof -p pid_here
[19:57] <SuperEngineer> Azelphur: never mind... you can jump in, pull him back to the shore & kiss him
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> it should list the socket if it has it open :)
[19:57] <Azelphur> >.<
[19:57] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: 8168 it spat out.
[19:57] <SuperEngineer> [oops, my bad... - should have read give him the kiss of life]
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: then just do: hostapd_cli -p /directory_the_socket_is_in
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: lsof -p 8168
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: there must be a way to get that noted in a log somewhere
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: (other than an IRC log)
[19:58] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ok, that spat alot of lines out, what am i looking for?
[19:58] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: what you mean?
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: in the 5th column, look for "unix", then in in the last one, look at the path
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: or pastebin it, and I'll have a look ;)
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: Well, you know _why_ the house is under-maintained.. that might make a difference in the case the parents have?
[20:00] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: definitely, they are going to have CPS come out again and I intend to have a few words.
[20:01] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: pipe it into pastebinit ?
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: try it :)
[20:01] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: :)
[20:01] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: http://paste.debian.net/247946/
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> I don't think it has the control socket
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> add the ctrl_socket to the config file and restart the daemon :)
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> ctrl_interface
[20:02] <brobostigon> ctrl_interface=wlan0 ?
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> no, ctrl_interface=/var/run/hostapd
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> it's the path it will use to store the management socket
[20:03] <brobostigon> ah.
[20:05] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: then i use that path, on -p for hostapd_cli ?
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> yes
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> I think it might default to /var/run/hostapd though
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> but I'm not sure
[20:06] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ok, let me get everyone off it, including myself, let me try it.
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: they'll auto-reconnect
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: downtime is only a second
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> you'll probably not notice it
[20:07] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ok.
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> so a warning to everyone should be enough :)
[20:08] <brobostigon> :)
[20:09] <mac___> Hi all, i am new to ubuntu and am installing it on to a virtual box vm, i am having extreme difficulties installing guest additions on ubuntu and have followed many instructions from the internet.  I am using Virtual Box 4.2.10, Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS and the host system is Windows 7,  I would appreciate any help in getting guest additions to work.
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> mac___: which guide are you following, and what's the error?
[20:09] <jacobw> Evening
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> mac___: it should be as easy as:
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> mac___: sudo apt-get install dkms
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> sudo apt-get install virtualbox-guest-additions
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> then maybe a reboot
[20:10] <mac___> i've tried that with no luck, i have also attempted using the iso provided with the windows virtual box install
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> mac___: what's the error?
[20:12] <mac___> i dont always get an error, but when i have it has been when three checks are being done, something about the module and the kernel, wish i'd wrote it down
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> mac___: can you run the commands now?
[20:13] <mungbean> Safety mode has hidden comments for this video. Show hidden comments
[20:13] <mac___> right found the error from a google search i did
[20:13] <mungbean> how do i change this on youutube?
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> Safety mode? In preferences, I guess
[20:14] <mac___> it is no suitable module for running kernal found
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> mac___: ah, but dkms should compile that..
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> mac___: but you installed 12.04.2! which has a newer kernel!
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> that might be the problem
[20:15] <mac___> dkms was installed with fglrx when i installed that to fix my low graphics error problem
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> that's unrelated.
[20:15] <mac___> but then i have also installed it manually
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> dkms is just the framework that compiles kernel modules :)
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> mac___: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/+bug/1081307/comments/4
[20:16] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 1081307 in virtualbox (Ubuntu Precise) "virtualbox-dkms 4.1.12-dfsg-2ubuntu0.2: virtualbox kernel module failed to build [merge request]" [High,Fix committed]
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> mac___: someone fixed the Virtualbox packages in his PPA
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> mac___: http://askubuntu.com/questions/265999/how-to-remove-kernel-lts-enablement-stack\
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> mac___: that should give you enough info :)
[20:16] <mac___> brill thanks, i'll give it ago
[20:21] <mungbean> seems safety mode to turn off smut also disables all comments
[20:24] <mac___> back again, i've had a look through that page you linked but i dont get what i need to do
[20:24] <mac___> for example, how do i know if i have the enablement stacks nistalled
[20:35] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i restarted hostapd, it restarted, i could connect again, but nothing went anywhere, the routing failed.
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: strange
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: fixed now?
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> mac___: you have them installed if you used a 12.04.2 ISO image
[20:36] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i had to manually connect an athernet cable up to it, reapply the iptables rules.
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> mac___: or if you used an earlier image and installed them yourself
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: stränge
[20:37] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yes, i agree.
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> https://sites.google.com/site/openwrtraspi/ ;)
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/raspberry_pi
[20:38] <brobostigon> :)
[20:39] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: so, i dont know why that failed to be honest.
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: the interface went down and back up.. did you bridge it to the LAN? Maybe that broke because it went down?
[20:41] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: my brain is shattered. give me a hint, sorry.
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: the wlan0 interface probably disappeared and then re-appeared when hostapd reconfigured it
[20:42] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yes, i would agree.
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: if you have it bridged to the LAN (so wifi and wired are one "broadcast domain" = (think "network")) that might break the bridge
[20:43] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: http://paste.debian.net/247960/
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> you tend to know you bridged it -- it should be in /etc/network/interfaces :)
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> ah no, you're NATting/routing
[20:44] <brobostigon> :(
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> I don't know..
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-linux-setting-wireless-access-point/ :)
[20:47] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: let me read about the dridging bit, i think the rest i have down pretty much.
[20:48] <brobostigon> bridging*
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: you use bridging if you want the device to behave like an "access point" (meaning: wireless devices become part of the wired network)
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: think of a bridge device as a virtual ethernet switch (traffic that comes in on devices that you add to the bridge goes out to other devices on the bridge)
[20:49] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yes, interesting idea, but would that solve the above issue?
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: don't forget to set the IP *on the bridge interface*, or you'll lose connectivity
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> well it'd remove the firewalling :)
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> and the NAT
[20:50] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: now that would help.
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> wifi clients would share the DHCP server the RPi uses on its wired interface
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> it'd all become one big network
[20:50] <brobostigon> :)
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I've been playing with bridges, VLANs etc, for a while now (yay openwrt)
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: http://blog.vandestreek.net/2012/10/vms-and-vlans.html has some cool info, for instance
[20:52] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: so, if i setup the bridging, could i directly restart between one and the other.?
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> what do you mean "directly restart"?
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> I think setting up bridging might fail the first time you try it.. do it late at night when nobody is using the network :)
[20:53] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i mean, revert from one to the other, or can they temporerily work side by side.
[20:54] <brobostigon> :)
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> you'd have to add a bridge first, then move the eth0 config to the bridge (br0)
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> then add eth0 to the bridge
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> THEN completely restart networking
[20:54] <brobostigon> ok, doesnt sound too bad,
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> fix firewall rules to use br0 instead of eth0.. or just add wlan0 to the bridge as well (though the option in hostapd.conf)
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: read /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian first
[20:55] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: also, will this affect ipv6, as i have aiccu and radvd etc setup.
[20:55] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: :)
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: yes, you'll have to set those to use br0 as well
[20:56] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ok.
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: man bridge-utils-interfaces
[20:56] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: thank you.
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> np :)
[20:56] <brobostigon> :)
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> just sharing knowledge
[20:57] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i will follow this up in the morning, when the old brian cells have rested,
[20:57] <brobostigon> brain*
[20:58] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: hostapd_cli atleast works.
[21:33] <mac_> once i followed the instructions i couldn't mount the guest additions iso
[21:33] <mac_> and am now unable to boot up the vm because it runs a memtest everytime
[21:42] <mungbean> wow dr who is lame nowdays, its all about sonic the screwdriver
[21:43] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: nah, it was just that ep that was bollocks. the last one, the first in the new series was good.
[21:43] <brobostigon> mungbean:  nah, it was just that ep that was bollocks. the last one, the first in the new series was good.
[21:43] <brobostigon> sorry MartijnVdS
[21:43] <mungbean> my memory onlt lasts a week
[21:43] <brobostigon> oh dear. :(
[21:44] <mungbean> over reliance on sonic in general makes it all silly
[21:45] <mungbean> massive mos eisley ripoff too this week
[21:46] <mungbean> oh dear theyre all joining in some cheesy song
[21:47] <brobostigon> sorry, for my language there, calling one single dr who ep bollocks isnt nice.
[21:48] <mungbean> one of worst eps in the current era tho
[23:23]  * shel3over jmp