=== fenris is now known as Guest83782 === Guest83782 is now known as ejat [08:24] I was just testing skype for a person in #kubuntu in 13.04 -- seems ok in 32-bit, but sound is horrible in 64-bit [08:24] tbh, I didn't test the sound in 32-bit, but it didn't core-dump like it did for the person in #k [09:11] Mamarok: How many 4.10.2 updates have you received now? [09:12] Good morning [09:13] Hello lordievader:) [09:14] Hey smartboyhw_, how are you doing today? [09:18] lordievader: good. [09:19] :) [09:26] lordievader: Can you do some flavour for me and change the "IS RELEASED" on the topic to just "is"? You don't need op for that. [09:26] smartboyhw_: I have never changed a topic before... [09:27] Is the command /topic "new topic"? [09:27] lordievader: Try. [09:28] lordievader: /TOPIC #kubuntu-devel (topic) === lordievader changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Upgrade QA : http://kubuntu-qa.dyndns.org/ | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas http://kyofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/build_status_4.10.2_raring.html | Go test konvi 1.5 ! | Kubuntu 13.04 Beta 2 is OFFICIALLY released http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/13.04/beta-2 [09:30] lordievader um delete the OFFICIALLY please:) [09:31] smartboyhw_: Ah keep the link? [09:31] lordievader: Just delete the word OFFICIALLY. [09:31] Keep the link. [09:31] smartboyhw_: still incomplete, [09:31] kde-workspace kde-workspace-data kde-workspace-data-extras kdeartwork kdenetwork kdeplasma-addons kdetoys kscreensaver-xsavers-extra kscreensaver-xsavers-webcollage plasma-scriptengines are held back === lordievader changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Upgrade QA : http://kubuntu-qa.dyndns.org/ | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas http://kyofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/build_status_4.10.2_raring.html | Go test konvi 1.5 ! | Kubuntu 13.04 Beta 2 is released http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/13.04/beta-2 [09:32] smartboyhw_: Like so? === yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Upgrade QA : http://kubuntu-qa.dyndns.org/ | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas | Go test konvi 1.5 ! | Kubuntu 13.04 Beta 2 is released http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/13.04/beta-2 [09:33] so not all 250+ packages yet [09:33] yofel: why did you remove the raring status? It's stil pretty incomplete [09:34] apparently google gadgets are still makred as a dependency, wasn't that removed already? [09:36] Mamarok um why not? [09:36] lordievader: Thanks8 [09:37] smartboyhw_: Seems some dependency isuses, and when I try to install kde-workspace it tries to remove all metapackages [09:37] installing the rest, will tell you exactly what is wrong in a few minutes [09:38] smartboyhw_: Hehe, no problem ;) [09:41] Mamarok that's weird. [09:41] Mamarok our status page doesn't have build errors, just the lintian errors. [09:41] Mamarok: What metapackages does it want to remove? [09:42] kubuntu-desktop and the other kubuntu-* ones [09:43] but I will tell you exactly what is wrong in a minute, when the current dpkg is done [09:43] * smartboyhw_ didn't expect KDE SC 4.10.2 packaging will be such a problem compared to the previous ones. [09:44] Mamarok: Probably there is some problem with the source metapackage kubuntu-meta [09:44] yofel: apparently it still looking for the obsolete google gadgets, at leat that what cmake says, and I am pretty sure I have seen them removed in master [09:44] But then the last version is me adding plasma-mediacenter into active. Can't be. [09:44] as a dependency, but maybe after the 4.10.2 was tagged [09:47] here we go: http://paste.kde.org/717722/ [09:51] Mamarok: Maybe they aren't uploaded or accepted into the queue or got build errors. Lemme check. [09:53] Mamarok: Eee there are upload problems with kde-workspace . [09:55] amd64 [09:57] Mamarok: Clearly the amd64 package wasn't fully built. [09:58] Mamarok: that's the raring PPA status, *that* is done [09:59] I need to add a check for missing packages to that script and add support for tracking the archive at some point [09:59] but that's for next time [09:59] yofel: I'm checking what's the problem with kde-workspace [10:00] INFO Upload was rejected: [10:00] INFO Server said: [10:00] LUUUUNNNNNCCCHHPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD [10:01] * yofel retries [10:02] yofel: OK [10:05] hm... [10:06] there's plenty 4.10.2 missing in raring [10:06] at least when going by the upload mails in raring-changes [10:06] yofel: Yesterday one guy asked why Ubuntu Studio doesn't use Unity. I and zequence (our Project Lead) wrote our longest G+ comments to rebutt him:P [10:07] yofel: DAMN [10:07] Somebody take off the 4.10.2 announcement please (AGAIN)… [10:08] Riddell, shadeslayer: ^ [10:10] *sigh*, why do you folks not TEST stuff before you make announcements? [10:11] I didn't say it worked AFAICR [10:11] smartboyhw_: wait [10:11] Mamarok: Be [10:11] because it DOES work in Ninjas PPA [10:12] Mamarok: we usually do test - this time for some reason things went wrong AFTER testing [10:12] partly because launchpad became a bit unreable lately [10:12] *unreliably [10:12] *unreliable [10:12] -.- [10:12] yofel: +1 [10:12] smartboyhw_: ninja is not a valid test apparnetly, I have seen numerous build problems in backports in the past [10:13] next time ask me to test the backports PPA before publishing announcements [10:13] smartboyhw_: nevermind, seems like some mails vanished here [10:13] smartboyhw_: so it looks up [10:13] yofel: Go to #launchpad and complain? :P [10:14] Mamarok: We will do it:) But we can't ensure for Raring. If you want test, enable -proposed [10:15] Mamarok: managing our backports has quite a few pitfalls lately. So I'm partly to blame for not writing those down before Riddell fell for them [10:15] smartboyhw_: there have been so many problems between ninja and final in the past, I found a lot of them, so don't publish until you really have tested the ebd location [10:16] Mamarok: It is extremely well when we do 4.10 and 4.10.1. [10:16] smartboyhw_: well, maybe, but there have been problems in the past, so not testing is stupid [10:16] and as I said, you need to test the final location before publishing [10:17] Mamarok: that's not *his* fault alone [10:17] else that is not what I call testing [10:17] yofel: I didn't say it was [10:17] I said *folks*, not a name [10:17] ah ok [10:17] Mamarok: And when we put it in -backports people might have been upgraded before we can finish off the testing in -backports. [10:17] I do test when I publish the backports. Problem was that I was *theoretically* on vacation last week [10:18] yofel: I know [10:18] why not ask me? I am usually around [10:18] just don't ask me to build packages [10:18] And you can't blame me anyway, I didn't do the packaging for 4.10.2. Just that people have lifes. [10:18] heh, sure :) [10:18] Mamarok: LOL please learn:) [10:18] smartboyhw_: I didn't blame you [10:19] Mamarok: We do make mistakes. [10:19] We didn't ex [10:19] smartboyhw_: nah, I hat the debian build system with passion, I never managed to build something working [10:19] pect it to go so wring [10:19] smartboyhw_: stop appologizing, that is not going anywhere,let's just do the tests correctly, again, I didn't blame you for anything [10:19] it is our way of testing that is not good apparently [10:20] one person is not enough [10:20] Mamarok: I cant now anyway [10:20] !testers | please test KDE SC 4.10.2 in raring-proposed and the Backports PPA [10:20] please test KDE SC 4.10.2 in raring-proposed and the Backports PPA: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader for information. [10:21] yofel: so what should I enable to test? [10:21] smartboyhw_: I know that [10:21] is there a wiki page detailing the steps? That should be in that testers call [10:22] "in raring-proposed" is unknown to me, so where and how? [10:22] OK we need to put Mamarok in the testers factoid. [10:22] wait [10:22] smartboyhw_: no [10:22] smartboyhw_: I can't give help, I need instructions [10:22] smartboyhw_: I'm not sure whether we should call for testing in -proposed [10:22] I can test this, will take a while though. Old raring install. [10:23] But I too need to know what to enable. [10:23] * Mamarok waits for isntructions, a wiki or a website, anything... [10:23] ubottu: no !testers #kubuntu-devel is : Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader for information. [10:24] smartboyhw_: don't add me in there [10:24] also wait [10:24] and without a link to precise isntructions that factoid is pointless [10:24] there's no sense in testing raring until kde-workspace amd64 is done [10:24] yofel: Mamarok: I will add a wiki link when you give me one [10:24] Tm_T: please hold the factoid. [10:25] smartboyhw_: I am the one needing to know, don't ask me :) [10:25] *sigh* at so much confusion, could we talk less and just give the isntructions correctly? [10:25] Mamarok: That would be helpfull :) [10:25] that's why I said, wait [10:25] Mamarok: :p The problem is that there mighr not be one. [10:25] smartboyhw_: please stop highlighting me [10:26] that is very annoying, I am reading [10:26] Mamarok: OK. [10:26] * smartboyhw_ has never been told off of highlighting people... [10:26] Anyways. [10:26] -proposed is meant as an embargo location for packages while they haven't finished building [10:27] so lets wait till kde-workspace is done, then test raring WITHOUT proposed [10:27] yofel: OK. [10:28] yofel: So let me get this staight, update without enabeling any extra repo's? [10:28] lordievader: right, but only once https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/4:4.10.2-0ubuntu1 reaches 'release' [10:29] currently it's in 'proposed' [10:29] Sounds like a plan :) [10:32] lordievader: can you ping me if you see it earlier? [10:33] Mamarok: Will do. [10:35] Need to go for dinner, see ya. [10:35] ugh [10:41] wat [10:42] shadeslayer: ping [11:18] Hello! About to eat dinner at a Chinese restaurant:) [11:19] Is kde-workspace amd64 built? [11:19] nope [11:20] still building [11:20] do you want a ping when it is done? [11:21] finished building now, now it needs to be published, accepted to release by britney. Will take a bit [11:21] How long does something like this normally take? [11:22] kde-workspace needs at least an hour to build, the publishing usually at most half an hour. But I'm not sure how fast britney ist with the release move [11:23] is britney a bot or a person? [11:23] bot, a modified version of the software that handles the unstable->testing move in debian [11:24] Ok thank you, yofel :) [11:34] geh, we need to test MESA https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-April/037008.html [11:59] OK, 50 more packages showing up now, kdeartwork kdenetwork kdeplasma-addons kdetoys kscreensaver-xsavers-extra kscreensaver-xsavers-webcollage still held back [11:59] lordievader: ^ [12:04] Mamarok: Ah it is released :). [12:10] now I have this http://paste.kde.org/717752/ [12:14] Phew that is going to take a while 227 packages that can be upgraded. [12:15] lordievader: well, still some missing stuff [12:16] I upgraded over 250 by now [12:16] Mamarok: We'll see how far this goes, and if it succeeds... [12:17] * Mamarok shakes fist at Arch for screwing up their Amarok package... [12:17] I'm going to go to the supermarket, be back later. [12:17] 10 days ago, and still not fixed, and tehy call themselves a Linux distro [12:22] oh wow, the Ubuntu wiki is terribly slow in saving a small edit [12:30] :) [12:30] Mamarok: most of those packages should be dep-wait on kde-workspace. Should fix itself in a few hours [12:30] * yofel off [12:45] Back, lets see where the update is. [12:45] Update is done without errors. [12:49] Running 4.10.2 on that machine, rebooted and logged in without problems. [12:55] I still have 6 packages held back [12:56] Mamarok: Dist-upgrade wont install them either? [12:56] only one of them [13:00] will disconnect, back at home and switch to wifi [13:29] Hiyas all [13:35] Quintasan: pong === ovidiu-f- is now known as ovidiu-florin [16:37] now I have all the packages, 28 were missing [16:45] Mamarok: \o/ [16:45] 22 actually, part were others [16:45] OK, food now [17:20] yofel + shadeslayer uh hum look at http://kubuntu-qa.dyndns.org/ [17:27] smartboyhw_: that is not actually doing anything productive [17:27] (yet) [17:28] smartboyhw_: my test runs still yield very varying results, like http://kyofel2.dyndns.org/upgrade0/ or http://yofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/upgrade2/ [17:28] that should MATCH [17:43] hm, restarting KDE after the upgrade, my external monitor is not used anymore, although the kcm shows the correct settings. All I get is a "Display port no signal" message on the monitor. Hardware works, that only happens when starting KDE [17:46] I have to unify the outputs and then reconfigure the monitor to make it work correctly, on loging out and back in again all is lost [17:46] * Mamarok tries to find the config file for that [17:46] kscreen has config files in .kde/share/apps/kscreen/ [17:46] named by some profile hash [17:48] yes, and strangely I have two of them, one only has the primary screen configured [17:49] would erasing that one help? The date is from a week ago, strange enough [17:49] the other file from a few minutes ago, has both configurations [17:53] lordievader: what is this Quest guy doing, learning to administer a server? He should maybe read the LPI 101 first [17:53] no idea, afiestas_ would know what's stored in those files [17:53] I moved the old one out of the way, and we will see how it behaves when I log back in [17:54] Mamarok: He is trying to limit what sftp can do or something... I'm not really sure. [17:54] well, I have the impression he is trying to configure a file server, but doesn't have a clue [17:54] setting up FTPS would probably be easier... [17:54] or just limiting the user permissions [17:55] Ask/suggest, I'd say. [17:55] how about asking him? [18:02] lordievader: but what he does there is material for #ubuntu-server [18:02] as it has nothing t do with KDE [18:03] Mamarok: I believe I already told him once to go to #ubuntu-server... [18:03] yes you did, and maybe it would be good to remind him that channel again [23:19] ::qt-bugs:: [1155687] KDE session didn't start after upgrading from Quantal to Raring Beta 1. Fixed after instal... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1155687 (by avlas)