[08:24] <valorie> I was just testing skype for a person in #kubuntu in 13.04 -- seems ok in 32-bit, but sound is horrible in 64-bit
[08:24] <valorie> tbh, I didn't test the sound in 32-bit, but it didn't core-dump like it did for the person in #k
[09:11] <smartboyhw_> Mamarok: How many 4.10.2 updates have you received now?
[09:12] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:13] <smartboyhw_> Hello lordievader:)
[09:14] <lordievader> Hey smartboyhw_, how are you doing today?
[09:18] <smartboyhw_> lordievader: good.
[09:19] <lordievader> :)
[09:26] <smartboyhw_> lordievader: Can you do some flavour for me and change the "IS RELEASED" on the topic to just "is"? You don't need op for that.
[09:26] <lordievader> smartboyhw_: I have never changed a topic before...
[09:27] <lordievader> Is the command /topic "new topic"?
[09:27] <smartboyhw_> lordievader: Try.
[09:28] <smartboyhw_> lordievader: /TOPIC #kubuntu-devel (topic)
[09:30] <smartboyhw_> lordievader um delete the OFFICIALLY please:)
[09:31] <lordievader> smartboyhw_: Ah keep the link?
[09:31] <smartboyhw_> lordievader: Just delete the word OFFICIALLY. 
[09:31] <smartboyhw_> Keep the link.
[09:31] <Mamarok> smartboyhw_: still incomplete, 
[09:31] <Mamarok> kde-workspace kde-workspace-data kde-workspace-data-extras kdeartwork kdenetwork kdeplasma-addons kdetoys kscreensaver-xsavers-extra kscreensaver-xsavers-webcollage plasma-scriptengines are held back
[09:32] <lordievader> smartboyhw_: Like so?
[09:33] <Mamarok> so not all 250+ packages yet
[09:33] <Mamarok> yofel: why did you remove the raring status? It's stil pretty incomplete
[09:34] <Mamarok> apparently google gadgets are still makred as a dependency, wasn't that removed already?
[09:36] <smartboyhw_> Mamarok um why not?
[09:36] <smartboyhw_> lordievader: Thanks8
[09:37] <Mamarok> smartboyhw_: Seems some dependency isuses, and when I try to install kde-workspace it tries to remove all metapackages
[09:37] <Mamarok> installing the rest, will tell you exactly what is wrong in a few minutes
[09:38] <lordievader> smartboyhw_: Hehe, no problem ;)
[09:41] <smartboyhw_> Mamarok that's weird.
[09:41] <smartboyhw_> Mamarok our status page doesn't have build errors, just the lintian errors.
[09:41] <smartboyhw_> Mamarok: What metapackages does it want to remove?
[09:42] <Mamarok> kubuntu-desktop and the other kubuntu-* ones
[09:43] <Mamarok> but I will tell you exactly what is wrong in a minute, when the current dpkg is done
[09:43]  * smartboyhw_ didn't expect KDE SC 4.10.2 packaging will be such a problem compared to the previous ones.
[09:44] <smartboyhw_> Mamarok: Probably there is some problem with the source metapackage kubuntu-meta
[09:44] <Mamarok> yofel: apparently it still looking for the obsolete google gadgets, at leat that what cmake says, and I am pretty sure I have seen them removed in master
[09:44] <smartboyhw_> But then the last version is me adding plasma-mediacenter into active. Can't be.
[09:44] <Mamarok> as a dependency, but maybe after the 4.10.2 was tagged
[09:47] <Mamarok> here we go: http://paste.kde.org/717722/
[09:51] <smartboyhw_> Mamarok: Maybe they aren't uploaded or accepted into the queue or got build errors. Lemme check.
[09:53] <smartboyhw_> Mamarok: Eee there are upload problems with kde-workspace .
[09:55] <smartboyhw_> amd64
[09:57] <smartboyhw_> Mamarok: Clearly the amd64 package wasn't fully built.
[09:58] <yofel> Mamarok: that's the raring PPA status, *that* is done
[09:59] <yofel> I need to add a check for missing packages to that script and add support for tracking the archive at some point
[09:59] <yofel> but that's for next time
[09:59] <smartboyhw_> yofel: I'm checking what's the problem with kde-workspace
[10:00] <yofel> INFO Upload was rejected:
[10:00] <yofel> INFO 	Server said: 
[10:00] <yofel> LUUUUNNNNNCCCHHPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD
[10:01]  * yofel retries
[10:02] <smartboyhw_> yofel: OK
[10:05] <yofel> hm...
[10:06] <yofel> there's plenty 4.10.2 missing in raring
[10:06] <yofel> at least when going by the upload mails in raring-changes
[10:06] <smartboyhw_> yofel: Yesterday one guy asked why Ubuntu Studio doesn't use Unity. I and zequence (our Project Lead) wrote our longest G+ comments to rebutt him:P
[10:07] <smartboyhw_> yofel: DAMN
[10:07] <smartboyhw_> Somebody take off the 4.10.2 announcement please (AGAIN)…
[10:08] <smartboyhw_> Riddell, shadeslayer: ^
[10:10] <Mamarok> *sigh*, why do you folks not TEST stuff before you make announcements?
[10:11] <Mamarok> I didn't say it worked AFAICR
[10:11] <yofel> smartboyhw_: wait
[10:11] <smartboyhw_> Mamarok: Be 
[10:11] <smartboyhw_> because it DOES work in Ninjas PPA
[10:12] <yofel> Mamarok: we usually do test - this time for some reason things went wrong AFTER testing
[10:12] <yofel> partly because launchpad became a bit unreable lately
[10:12] <yofel> *unreliably
[10:12] <yofel> *unreliable
[10:12] <yofel> -.-
[10:12] <smartboyhw_> yofel: +1
[10:12] <Mamarok> smartboyhw_: ninja is not a valid test apparnetly, I have seen numerous build problems in backports in the past
[10:13] <Mamarok> next time ask me to test the backports PPA before publishing announcements
[10:13] <yofel> smartboyhw_: nevermind, seems like some mails vanished here
[10:13] <yofel> smartboyhw_: so it looks up
[10:13] <smartboyhw_> yofel: Go to #launchpad and complain? :P
[10:14] <smartboyhw_> Mamarok: We will do it:) But we can't ensure for Raring. If you want test, enable -proposed
[10:15] <yofel> Mamarok: managing our backports has quite a few pitfalls lately. So I'm partly to blame for not writing those down before Riddell fell for them
[10:15] <Mamarok> smartboyhw_: there have been so many problems between ninja and final in the past, I found a lot of them, so don't publish until you really have tested the ebd location
[10:16] <smartboyhw_> Mamarok: It is extremely well when we do 4.10 and 4.10.1.
[10:16] <Mamarok> smartboyhw_: well, maybe, but there have been problems in the past, so not testing is stupid
[10:16] <Mamarok> and as I said, you need to test the final location before publishing
[10:17] <yofel> Mamarok: that's not *his* fault alone
[10:17] <Mamarok> else that is not what I call testing
[10:17] <Mamarok> yofel: I didn't say it was
[10:17] <Mamarok> I said *folks*, not a name
[10:17] <yofel> ah ok
[10:17] <smartboyhw_> Mamarok: And when we put it in -backports people might have been upgraded before we can finish off the testing in -backports.
[10:17] <yofel> I do test when I publish the backports. Problem was that I was *theoretically* on vacation last week
[10:18] <Mamarok> yofel: I know
[10:18] <Mamarok> why not ask me? I am usually around
[10:18] <Mamarok> just don't ask me to build packages
[10:18] <smartboyhw_> And you can't blame me anyway, I didn't do the packaging for 4.10.2. Just that people have lifes.
[10:18] <yofel> heh, sure :)
[10:18] <smartboyhw_> Mamarok: LOL please learn:)
[10:18] <Mamarok> smartboyhw_: I didn't blame you
[10:19] <smartboyhw_> Mamarok: We do make mistakes. 
[10:19] <smartboyhw_> We didn't ex
[10:19] <Mamarok> smartboyhw_: nah, I hat the debian build system with passion, I never managed to build something working
[10:19] <smartboyhw_> pect it to go so wring
[10:19] <Mamarok> smartboyhw_: stop appologizing, that is not going anywhere,let's just do the tests correctly, again, I didn't blame you for anything
[10:19] <Mamarok> it is our way of testing that is not good apparently
[10:20] <Mamarok> one person is not enough
[10:20] <smartboyhw_> Mamarok: I cant now anyway
[10:20] <smartboyhw_> !testers | please test KDE SC 4.10.2 in raring-proposed and the Backports PPA
[10:21] <Mamarok> yofel: so what should I enable to test?
[10:21] <Mamarok> smartboyhw_: I know that
[10:21] <Mamarok> is there a wiki page detailing the steps? That should be in that testers call
[10:22] <Mamarok> "in raring-proposed" is unknown to me, so where and how?
[10:22] <smartboyhw_> OK we need to put Mamarok in the testers factoid.
[10:22] <yofel> wait
[10:22] <Mamarok> smartboyhw_: no
[10:22] <Mamarok> smartboyhw_: I can't give help, I need instructions
[10:22] <yofel> smartboyhw_: I'm not sure whether we should call for testing in -proposed
[10:22] <lordievader> I can test this, will take a while though. Old raring install.
[10:23] <lordievader> But I too need to know what to enable.
[10:23]  * Mamarok waits for isntructions, a wiki or a website, anything...
[10:23] <smartboyhw_> ubottu: no !testers #kubuntu-devel is <reply>: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader for information.
[10:24] <Mamarok> smartboyhw_: don't add me in there
[10:24] <yofel> also wait
[10:24] <Mamarok> and without a link to precise isntructions that factoid is pointless
[10:24] <yofel> there's no sense in testing raring until kde-workspace amd64 is done
[10:24] <smartboyhw_> yofel: Mamarok: I will add a wiki link when you give me one
[10:24] <smartboyhw_> Tm_T: please hold the factoid.
[10:25] <Mamarok> smartboyhw_: I am the one needing to know, don't ask me :)
[10:25] <Mamarok> *sigh* at so much confusion, could we talk less and just give the isntructions correctly?
[10:25] <lordievader> Mamarok: That would be helpfull :)
[10:25] <yofel> that's why I said, wait
[10:25] <smartboyhw_> Mamarok: :p The problem is that there mighr not be one.
[10:25] <Mamarok> smartboyhw_: please stop highlighting me
[10:26] <Mamarok> that is very annoying, I am reading
[10:26] <smartboyhw_> Mamarok: OK.
[10:26]  * smartboyhw_ has never been told off of highlighting people...
[10:26] <smartboyhw_> Anyways.
[10:26] <yofel> -proposed is meant as an embargo location for packages while they haven't finished building
[10:27] <yofel> so lets wait till kde-workspace is done, then test raring WITHOUT proposed
[10:27] <smartboyhw_> yofel: OK.
[10:28] <lordievader> yofel: So let me get this staight, update without enabeling any extra repo's?
[10:28] <yofel> lordievader: right, but only once https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/4:4.10.2-0ubuntu1 reaches 'release'
[10:29] <yofel> currently it's in 'proposed'
[10:29] <lordievader> Sounds like a plan :)
[10:32] <Mamarok> lordievader: can you ping me if you see it earlier?
[10:33] <lordievader> Mamarok: Will do.
[10:35] <smartboyhw_> Need to go for dinner, see ya.
[10:35] <Quintasan> ugh
[10:41] <Quintasan> wat
[10:42] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ping
[11:18] <smartboyhw> Hello! About to eat dinner at a Chinese restaurant:)
[11:19] <smartboyhw> Is kde-workspace amd64 built?
[11:19] <Mamarok> nope
[11:20] <Mamarok> still building
[11:20] <Mamarok> do you want a ping when it is done?
[11:21] <yofel> finished building now, now it needs to be published, accepted to release by britney. Will take a bit
[11:21] <lordievader> How long does something like this normally take?
[11:22] <yofel> kde-workspace needs at least an hour to build, the publishing usually at most half an hour. But I'm not sure how fast britney ist with the release move
[11:23] <Mamarok> is britney a bot or a person?
[11:23] <yofel> bot, a modified version of the software that handles the unstable->testing move in debian
[11:24] <lordievader> Ok thank you, yofel :)
[11:34] <yofel> geh, we need to test MESA https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-April/037008.html
[11:59] <Mamarok> OK, 50 more packages showing up now, kdeartwork kdenetwork kdeplasma-addons kdetoys kscreensaver-xsavers-extra kscreensaver-xsavers-webcollage still held back
[11:59] <Mamarok> lordievader: ^
[12:04] <lordievader> Mamarok: Ah it is released :).
[12:10] <Mamarok> now I have this http://paste.kde.org/717752/
[12:14] <lordievader> Phew that is going to take a while 227 packages that can be upgraded.
[12:15] <Mamarok> lordievader: well, still some missing stuff
[12:16] <Mamarok> I upgraded over 250 by now
[12:16] <lordievader> Mamarok: We'll see how far this goes, and if it succeeds...
[12:17]  * Mamarok shakes fist at Arch for screwing up their Amarok package...
[12:17] <lordievader> I'm going to go to the supermarket, be back later.
[12:17] <Mamarok> 10 days ago, and still not fixed, and tehy call themselves a Linux distro
[12:22] <Mamarok> oh wow, the Ubuntu wiki is terribly slow in saving a small edit
[12:30] <smartboyhw> :)
[12:30] <yofel> Mamarok: most of those packages should be dep-wait on kde-workspace. Should fix itself in a few hours
[12:30]  * yofel off
[12:45] <lordievader> Back, lets see where the update is.
[12:45] <lordievader> Update is done without errors.
[12:49] <lordievader> Running 4.10.2 on that machine, rebooted and logged in without problems.
[12:55] <Mamarok> I still have 6 packages held back
[12:56] <lordievader> Mamarok: Dist-upgrade wont install them either?
[12:56] <Mamarok> only one of them
[13:00] <smartboyhw> will disconnect, back at home and switch to wifi
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:35] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: pong
[16:37] <Mamarok> now I have all the packages, 28 were missing
[16:45] <smartboyhw_> Mamarok: \o/
[16:45] <Mamarok> 22 actually, part were others
[16:45] <Mamarok> OK, food now
[17:20] <smartboyhw_> yofel + shadeslayer uh hum look at http://kubuntu-qa.dyndns.org/
[17:27] <yofel> smartboyhw_: that is not actually doing anything productive
[17:27] <yofel> (yet)
[17:28] <yofel> smartboyhw_: my test runs still yield very varying results, like http://kyofel2.dyndns.org/upgrade0/ or http://yofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/upgrade2/
[17:28] <yofel> that should MATCH
[17:43] <Mamarok> hm, restarting KDE after the upgrade, my external monitor is not used anymore, although the kcm shows the correct settings. All I get is a "Display port no signal" message on the monitor. Hardware works, that only happens when starting KDE
[17:46] <Mamarok> I have to unify the outputs and then reconfigure the monitor to make it work correctly, on loging out and back in again all is lost
[17:46]  * Mamarok tries to find the config file for that
[17:46] <yofel> kscreen has config files in .kde/share/apps/kscreen/
[17:46] <yofel> named by some profile hash
[17:48] <Mamarok> yes, and strangely I have two of them, one only has the primary screen configured
[17:49] <Mamarok> would erasing that one help? The date is from a week ago, strange enough
[17:49] <Mamarok> the other file from a few minutes ago, has both configurations
[17:53] <Mamarok> lordievader: what is this Quest guy doing, learning to administer a server? He should maybe read the LPI 101 first
[17:53] <yofel> no idea, afiestas_ would know what's stored in those files
[17:53] <Mamarok> I moved the old one out of the way, and we will see how it behaves when I log back in
[17:54] <lordievader> Mamarok: He is trying to limit what sftp can do or something... I'm not really sure.
[17:54] <Mamarok> well, I have the impression he is trying to configure a file server, but doesn't have a clue
[17:54] <yofel> setting up FTPS would probably be easier...
[17:54] <yofel> or just limiting the user permissions
[17:55] <lordievader> Ask/suggest, I'd say.
[17:55] <Mamarok> how about asking him?
[18:02] <Mamarok> lordievader: but what he does there is material for #ubuntu-server
[18:02] <Mamarok> as it has nothing t do with KDE
[18:03] <lordievader> Mamarok: I believe I already told him once to go to #ubuntu-server...
[18:03] <Mamarok> yes you did, and maybe it would be good to remind him that channel again
[23:19] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1155687] KDE session didn't start after upgrading from Quantal to Raring Beta 1. Fixed after instal... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1155687 (by avlas)