[09:33] <MartijnVdS> DespondentPotato: can you please just keep ONE nick?
[09:40] <SuperEngineer> +1
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> morning SuperEngineer
[09:41]  * MartijnVdS is sad
[09:41] <SuperEngineer> hi MartijnVdS, things good?
[09:41] <SuperEngineer> oh
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> According to the data sheet, the switch chip in my router supports "jumbo frames", which I would need to get larger PPPoE packets (with MTU 1500 packets inside)
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> but I'm too scared to update the constant in the kernel and re-flash :)
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> if the ethernet ports don't work anymore I'd have to open it up and solder in a serial header
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> and that's too much effort :)
[09:42]  * SuperEngineer knows that feeling well... especially on a Sunday ;)
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> also, apparently, the "CPU port" might not support the MTU
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: playing with OpenWRT is cool though :)
[09:43] <SuperMatt> anyone good with postfix?
[09:43] <SuperEngineer> that looks like "stop right there, go no futher" o me
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: what do you want to know/do?
[09:43] <SuperMatt> http://askubuntu.com/questions/278783/
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: I'll stick to filing a bug then :)
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt, SuperEngineer: your names! they confuse!
[09:44] <SuperMatt> soz
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: You configured Postfix to do greylisting, and Thunderbird to connect to that Postfix?
[09:44] <SuperMatt> yup
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: Or did you configure TBird to connect to Postfix which connects to the internet and finds a server with greylisting?
[09:45] <SuperMatt> I tried to send an email from myself to myself
[09:45] <SuperMatt> I have greylisting enabled
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: the point of greylisting is that it sends a "temporary failure" message first.. so thunderbird is hitting the greylist :)
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> you only want greylisting on _incoming_ smtp-servers, not outgoing
[09:46] <SuperMatt> what if you're using the same server for both?
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: then you tell postfix to enable to "Submission" port, and use that in thunderbird
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: and don't enable greylisting on that port
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> but DO enable auth
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> (and I'm not sure, but maybe SSL as well)
[09:46] <SuperMatt> yuh, I have auth enabled
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: submission is a different port.. submission	587/tcp				# Submission [RFC4409]
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> 587
[09:47] <SuperMatt> I think I understand now
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> it's also a great way around ISP's "port 25" blocks :)
[09:49] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: there are lots of Postfix docs about the "submission"p ort
[09:52] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:58] <SuperMatt> dang, now I'm getting auth rejected on 587 D:
[09:59] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: I think you have to configure it on a per-port basis
[10:00] <SuperMatt> ah, I think I've got it
[10:07] <SuperMatt> how silly of me, I forgot to enter my username and password into thunderbird >.<
[10:07] <dwatkins> Thunderbirds are go!
[10:13] <SuperMatt> ok, now is there a way to flush what servers have been greylisted?
[10:15] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: you should have configured a greylist database
[10:16] <SuperMatt> I know what I'll do, I'll just use one of my other domains to test :D
[10:17] <SuperMatt> actually, nm
[10:17] <SuperMatt> I think I'm OK now
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> *\o/*
[10:46] <SuperEngineer> hmmmm... confused!  just checked synaptic - my linux headers seem out of step with linux image http://imagebin.org/253090
[11:12] <G|Linuxusermriad> Dude I bought a Yeelong Lemote notebook last night at 1am off ebay 50%off .. I'm thinking I'll get 'all the signatures' and milk it for all it's worth .. should arrive May-  1st-week.
[11:14] <penguin42>  'yeelong lemote' ?
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: no-brand Chinese knockoff
[11:15] <penguin42> ah
[11:15] <penguin42> I notice there are a couple of no-brand highres tablets
[11:16] <SuperEngineer> complete with built in key logger no doubt
[11:17] <penguin42> shrug, not sure they're all that bad
[11:17] <SuperEngineer> [just joking]
[11:20] <G|Linuxusermriad> penguin42: I had somewhat of an ethical orghasm when I saw the price !!
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> G|Linuxusermriad: but.. keylogger?
[11:20] <G|Linuxusermriad> there's no keylogger, you derisor !
[11:26] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> Usually they cost about £375 to get them to the uk using Taobao.com [ http://loogson.taobao.com/ ] but beckii showed me the system .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFheq8ic1H8
[11:27] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> .. that's if they get through customs which can take over a month ..
[11:29] <penguin42> aren't there any amazon/ebay UK people who've already done that hard work
[11:30] <mungbean> and who would u return it to?
[11:30] <mungbean> zero post sale support
[11:31] <mungbean> yeelong lemote sounsd like an rms special
[11:31] <penguin42> yeh I'm ok with doing that for cheap converters/leads/etc on the basis you haven't lost much
[11:32] <penguin42> although the 3-4 ship from HK annoys me
[11:38] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> It's not about being a customer .. it's about Libre citizenship .. I'm part of the noosphere when it arrives.
[11:39] <mungbean> ?
[11:39] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> which part ?
[11:39] <penguin42> most of it
[11:39] <mungbean> someone spike ur drink?
[11:39] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> nope.
[11:40]  * penguin42 holds up some flippers - how many do you see?
[11:40] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> well the rght one is partly covered , but two , defo two.
[11:43] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> best thing is that I get an entry into the h-node hall of fame as my " 8089b " is not entered yet, but the " YeeLoong 8101B " is :: | http://h-node.org/notebooks/view/en/89/YeeLoong-8101B
[11:43] <penguin42> oh, one of the mips jobbies
[11:44] <mungbean> buying stuff online is so difficult nowadays, its hard to know whats fake and genuine. trying to get new airbrush.
[11:44] <penguin42> what are you going to run, Debian/mips ?
[11:44] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> me ?
[11:44] <mungbean> people even reuse model numbers
[11:46] <penguin42> G|Linuxusrmyriad: OK, I thought you were just buying a cheap laptop - that would be insane - but buying one of the open mips ones is a little less insane
[11:47] <mungbean> :-|
[11:47] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> penguin42: There aren't many posts on it .. but AFAs Debian .. here's one .. https://mulenmar.wordpress.com/2012/01/28/yeeloong-8089b-some-performance-tweaks/
[11:48] <penguin42> G|Linuxusrmyriad: Ouch that's pretty low spec
[11:49]  * SuperEngineer guesses it gets slowed down by the perpetual keylooger!  :D
[11:49] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> The whole thing is like that rope bridge walk in Indiana Jones  ... surprised it still endorsed by the China LUG !
[11:49] <penguin42>  <breakfast>
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[11:54] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> There's an interesting Last post on ::: http://goo.gl/xmSDO :: " It sounds like you'd need to use a 64-bit version of MSVC so it doesn't run out of address space and crash hard, then ? "
[11:54] <SuperEngineer> <cream tea>
[11:55] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> <Coco & shortbread>
[11:57] <SuperEngineer> G|Linuxusrmyriad: hang on! nobody's done <cheese & biscuits> yet!
[11:58]  * SuperEngineer watches The Simpsons
[11:58] <shauno> reads like that's solving the wrong problem.  if it grows forever until you run out of ram, giving it more ram isn't a solution
[11:58] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> SuperEngineer: It was chronological, I was on night-cap, or else I would've.
[11:58] <Darael> You think model-number reuse for similar products is a problem - try one model number that appears to refer to at least seven *entirely different* products.
[11:59]  * brobostigon watches the simpsons also.
[11:59] <SuperEngineer> brobostigon: ;)
[11:59] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> shauno: So it's a snow-ball effect ?
[11:59] <brobostigon> SuperEngineer: :)
[12:00] <Darael> Speaking of which, I encountered an interesting thing recently:  A mobo where a short had actually burned through it, but somehow the components hadn't been fried.
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> Darael: ESD?
[12:00] <shauno> they make it sound like it's growing forever.  all 32 vs 64bit is going to change is the particular message it dies with
[12:01] <shauno> either it eats 1GB physical, 3GB swap, and then dies because it's hit the 32bit barrier.  or it eats 1GB physical, all your swap, and then dies because it hit the real barrier
[12:01] <Darael> Laptop motherboard, some git had accidentally shorted the negative pin on the DC jack to one of the positives.  It was working well after the burning-plastic-smell-and-no-longer-charged, up until it ran out of battery.
[12:01] <MartijnVdS> Darael: HP?
[12:01] <MartijnVdS> My old HP had that..
[12:02] <Darael> MartijnVdS: Nah.  Some no-name outfit.
[12:02] <MartijnVdS> it would run fine off batteries, but couldn't charge them
[12:02] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> shauno: I think that was my post .. I was trying to troll in '09 .. Can you see " Mednafen " other posts ?
[12:03] <Darael> The machine in question had that problem once, because the DC jack was actually broken.  It was out of warranty, so it was taken to a chap who soldered on a new jack.  But he caused the aforementioned short and eventually the mobo burned right through.
[12:03] <SuperEngineer> talking of ESD... have been asked to aquire a pair of ,conductive. safety boots!  - there's nothing like turning yourself into an earthing rod!
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: Just get a Faraday cage suit :)
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> (rubber-lined on the inside)
[12:04] <shauno> when they put metal studs in the seat of your chair, you'll wish you'd have taken the boots
[12:04]  * SuperEngineer starts eating rubber
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: sure they may TASTE like banana or strawberry.. but they're not for eating!
[12:05] <Darael> SuperEngineer: There are limits to "you are what you eat"...
[12:06] <SuperEngineer> [the conductive boots are for a new [major] client... apparently blowing up a whole petrol station can be injurious to one's health
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: health & safety gone mad!
[12:06] <SuperEngineer> therefore no static discharge is preferred... but I still prefer the eat rubber methd!
[12:08] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS:  /me composes email to boss titled "health & safety gone mad!"
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: "I read in the Daily Mail that..."
[12:09] <SuperEngineer> ...but holds back from copy/pasting this IRC into it :D
[12:10] <shauno> you consider this less authorative than the daily mail?
[12:12]  * SuperEngineer read the daily mail once - took 3 weeks to stop laughing
[12:12] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Yeh I think a lot of safety boots have some dischargey thing in
[12:13] <SuperEngineer> ...trouble is - people kept on saying it's meant to a joke - it's meant to be a newspaper
[12:13]  * penguin42 likes steel toe cap boots - they let you wiggle your toes
[12:13] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> Man, I've got Evapoated Milk and a stack of Columbian Coffee .. . .. is this a good combination ?
[12:13] <Darael> Is it time to mention kill-or-cure?
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle, yeah?
[12:13] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Hell yeh
[12:14] <SuperEngineer> ...& they your toes get cut off by the steel when it gets impacted! .. but don't let me worry you
[12:14] <SuperEngineer> ...use composite toe caps
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> ooh.. BTC = €119.99
[12:14] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Yeh but at least they get cut off cleanly!
[12:15] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: no gangrene to worry about 8-)
[12:15] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: :D
[12:15]  * penguin42 doesn't do any heavy stuff any more; but I still wear them - my first were a pair of Doc's
[12:18]  * SuperEngineer wonders if safety boots really stop cars running you over when working on forecourt computer kit :)
[12:19] <popey> afternoon
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> \o popester
[12:19] <SuperMatt> hullo hullo
[12:19] <SuperEngineer> o?
[12:20] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> leaves.
[12:20] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: No, but if they nearly run you over you can put a much bigger dent in them
[12:21] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: [and get annoyed - saying " oi! you damaged my boots!]
[12:21] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: is this the pumps, sineage or some other monitoring stuff?
[12:22]  * SuperEngineer recalls having done what penguin42 suggests once or twice in a previous incarnation ;)
[12:26] <SuperEngineer> ..so my email to boss goes... "following intense discussion, I will wear composite toe-capped boots whilst eating rubber - and kick any car that nears to me!"
[12:26] <SuperEngineer> that should do it!
[12:27] <SuperEngineer> *comes near to...
[12:30] <penguin42> hehe
[12:31]  * popey suffers from bug 1162093
[12:33] <penguin42> popey: What's the character at the end of your lp name?
[12:33] <popey> ㋛ <- that
[12:34] <penguin42> hmm, my web browser wasn't rendering that but my irc is
[12:35] <SuperMatt> mine's other way around
[12:37] <SuperEngineer> popey: did you get to try "Amnesia - The Dark Descent"?
[12:40] <popey> not yet
[12:40] <mungbean> im confused, what decent sync does tomboy offer now?
[12:40] <popey> ssh, file, snowy
[12:41] <popey> same as it always did
[12:41] <mungbean> http://lists.beatniksoftware.com/pipermail/tomboy-list-beatniksoftware.com/2013-April/003004.html
[12:41] <mungbean> looks like they are discussing still
[12:42] <mungbean> It would seem possible that if we started a branch for the development of
[12:42] <mungbean> GDrive and or Dropbox and piled into it, both could be implemented within a
[12:42] <mungbean> few weeks.
[12:42] <ali1234> is skype broken on 12.10 too?
[12:42] <SuperEngineer> popey: recommend it! best played as suggested - darkened room + headphones [though I would recommend keeping a spare brain in the fridge!]
[12:43] <ali1234> !info qtwebkit
[12:44] <ali1234> wat
[12:44] <popey> !info libqtwebkit4
[12:45] <ali1234> why is it 2.2.1?
[12:46] <popey> why not?
[12:46] <popey> thats whats in quantal
[12:46] <ali1234> well shouldn't it be 4.something?
[12:46] <popey> no, separate component
[12:46] <ali1234> libqt4-webkit (1 4:4.7.0~beta1)
[12:47] <popey> built against 4 hence the name being libqtwebkit4 AIUI
[12:47] <ali1234> i also have qtwebkit 2:5.0-1ubuntu29
[12:47] <popey> from a ppa perhaps?
[12:47] <ali1234> probably
[12:48] <popey> there was a package rename happen to allow 4 and 5 to be co-installed
[12:48] <ali1234> we need a proper release between now and the release of ubuntu-touch in which you can develop apps without needing ppas
[12:48] <ali1234> because at the moment it's a mess
[12:50] <mungbean> like a touch devs spin?
[12:56] <ali1234> no not like a spin
[12:56] <popey> a proper release of what?
[12:56] <popey> ubuntu or the qml bits?
[12:56] <ali1234> a proper release of ubuntu
[12:56] <popey> whats wrong with 13.04?
[12:57] <ali1234> which includes the QML bits required to develop mobile apps
[12:57] <ali1234> and which remain stable for 6 months
[12:57] <SuperMatt> how can I make apt think a package isn't installed?
[12:57] <ali1234> well, last time i checked, 13.04 still requires a ppa?
[12:57] <Darael> SuperMatt: Uninstall it?
[12:57] <popey> no
[12:57] <popey> not anymore
[12:57] <ali1234> and that ppa is still highly unstable and quite likely to mess up your system
[12:57] <SuperMatt> well.. that's a problem because it won't uninstall
[12:57] <popey> SuperMatt: what package?
[12:58] <SuperMatt> spotify
[12:58] <ali1234> i see
[12:58] <popey> what happens when you try to?
[12:58] <SuperMatt> basically I trashed my /opt, forgetting spotify was installed in there
[12:59] <popey> you plum
[12:59] <SuperMatt> and now my packages are in an inconsistant state
[12:59] <popey> reinstall it
[12:59] <popey> sudo apt-get install --reinstall spotify
[12:59] <popey> then uninstall it
[12:59] <SuperMatt> trying to, that's not working either
[12:59] <popey> what happens/
[12:59] <SuperMatt> it seems there are pre-removal scripts which are not working because I trashed the data :(
[13:00] <popey> even with reinstall?
[13:00] <popey> pastebin it
[13:00] <SuperMatt> yup
[13:01] <SuperMatt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5686119/
[13:02] <popey> easy to fix...
[13:02] <popey> just bin /var/lib/dpkg/info/spotify-client.prerm
[13:02] <popey> or edit it and comment out the single line in it
[13:02] <popey> prefarbly the latter
[13:03] <SuperMatt> that's it!
[13:03] <SuperMatt> thanks
[13:16] <ali1234> there's a good tric for that actually
[13:16] <ali1234> you can query the package database for a list of packages that installed files in a directory and then reinstall them
[13:16] <ali1234> i did this when i accidentally deleted /usr/bin
[13:17] <SuperMatt> ouchies!
[13:17] <SuperMatt> at least you didn't remove /usr/sbin, or dpkg and apt would have faaaailed
[13:17] <ali1234> oh they did
[13:18] <ali1234> i had to boot live cd, copy a few missing binaries, and then chroot
[13:18] <SuperMatt> dang!
[13:18] <SuperMatt> I'm always glad I can do this stuff in Linux though
[13:18] <SuperMatt> you'd have to go for a complete reinstall in Windows
[13:20] <ali1234> http://askubuntu.com/questions/191942/deleted-all-the-files-in-usr-bin-typing-in-rm-rf
[13:20] <penguin42> yeh you can dig really deep holes on Linux - and climb out of them
[13:20] <ali1234> this is totally why i stopped using windows
[13:20] <ali1234> too many reinstalls
[13:20] <ali1234> press wrong button, receive smoke
[13:20] <SuperMatt> I reinstall Ubuntu about once a year
[13:20] <SuperMatt> normally when I upgrade something
[13:21] <ali1234> i reinstall it every 6 months
[13:21] <ali1234> i was reinstalling windows every 2 weeks
[13:21] <SuperMatt> ouch
[13:31] <penguin42> only reinstalls if I change distro or change main disk
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> same here.. or if the installation is messed up somehow
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> which can happen.. after years of running/upgrading/messing
[13:37] <penguin42> it's got to get pretty messed up for me to do that :-)
[15:36]  * SuperEngineer celebrates... what the firm's IT dept has failed to resolve in 2 weeks - I just resolved in 1/2 hour
[15:36]  * SuperEngineer 1 -It dept. 0
[15:38] <brobostigon> ok, any ideas, my machine is getting an ipv6 global addr from radvd, on the router ipv6 forwarding is set in sysctl, and said router can ping an outside ipv6 addr, however said client machine connected to it cant. any ideas.
[15:40] <SuperEngineer> brobostigon: yeah - go have a beer - I'll look into it when you're not at work and can't see what I'm doing ;)
[15:40] <brobostigon> SuperEngineer: haha,
[15:43]  * SuperEngineer takes to bathroom... gotta wash all that filthy Windows 7 from self - it,s making me all itchy
[15:45] <SuperEngineer> ...if *only* I was as good at Linux :(
[15:46] <SuperEngineer> ...but gettin there
[15:47] <brobostigon> :)
[15:53] <Darael> brobostigon: check ip -6 route; see if it's actually picked up the route and not just the address.  Also check that IPv6 forwarding is enabled on the router - I seem to recall it's dropped in iptables by default.
[15:54] <brobostigon> Darael: ip -6 route, on the client?
[15:54] <Darael> brobostigon: Yup.  Just check that it *has* a route via the router.
[15:55] <brobostigon> Darael: ok.
[15:56] <brobostigon> Darael: ok, there we go, yes, missing.
[15:56] <Darael> brobostigon: Well, there are two options:  The quick fix and the reliable fix.
[15:57] <brobostigon> Darael: lets have both, and i will make notes.
[15:57] <diddledan> quick fix, quick fix!
[15:57] <diddledan> :-p
[15:57] <Darael> brobostigon: ip -6 route add default via $routeraddress (or something very close to that; check man ip just in case)
[15:57] <brobostigon> Darael: on the client?
[15:57] <Darael> brobostigon: But for a faster one, there's probably something missing in the router's radvd.conf.
[15:57] <Darael> brobostigon: Yup.
[15:57] <Darael> s/faster/more permanent/
[15:58] <brobostigon> Darael: lets fix radvd, yes.
[15:58] <Darael> I don't even know what happened with that typo
[16:35] <Darael> brobostigon: I'm sorry, I abandoned thee, didn't I?!
[16:35] <brobostigon> Darael: nah, i worked it out, added the ip mentioned in radvd.conf to the actual device it referred to, fixed it.
[16:36] <Darael> brobostigon: Excellent.  Glad to hear it's working now.
[16:36] <brobostigon> Darael: not the ip, but the referring ip, from the start of its subnet.
[16:38] <Darael> brobostigon: Yes, indeed.
[16:38] <brobostigon> Darael: then restarted radvd, and it worked. the forwarding was set correctly, also.
[17:05] <bigcalm> Hi peeps :)
[17:10] <mgdm> o/
[17:12] <bigcalm> Wot ho mgdm
[17:13] <mgdm> how goes it?
[17:14] <bigcalm> Splendidly thanks. Is it the weekend yet?
[17:20] <mgdm> bigcalm: sadly it is almost over
[17:36] <bigcalm> Boo
[17:56] <gebbione> hi, whats the best application to manage an android mobile from ubuntu
[17:56] <gebbione> like music and so on
[17:56] <jacobw> gebbione: Rhythmbox or Banshee
[17:57] <gebbione> rhythmbox just crashes for me
[17:57] <gebbione> banshee i dont see the device
[17:57] <mungbean> is it regular usb device or mtp?
[17:57] <mungbean> i.e. can nautilus see it?
[17:58] <gebbione> i see the samsung android device but right now i cannot mount it
[17:58] <gebbione> clicking on it does not open it
[17:58] <gebbione> it is a samsung s3
[17:58] <DJones> gebbione: Try installing Airdroid on the android device & connect via a web browser
[18:01] <jacobw> gebbione: I have the same experience with Rhythmbox
[18:09] <SuperEngineer> gotta go - bye bye folks
[18:26] <gebbione> after installing airdroid for some reason my usb worked and banshee is fine
[18:56] <zleap> Hi tombrough
[19:49]  * Laney decides he can get a tax refund
[19:49] <Laney> \o/
[19:55] <mgdm> isn't it HMRC that usually make that decision for you? :)
[19:56] <Laney> that's what they want you to think
[20:16] <bigcalm> Just watched last week's Dr Who, was quite fun
[20:27] <mungbean> bigcalm: yesterdays ?
[20:27] <mungbean> yesterdays was worst one ever
[20:28] <bigcalm> mungbean: no, last week's
[20:28] <bigcalm> We've been busy
[20:41] <bigcalm> o.O