[00:04] <Compy> sheesh, no matter where I go, I can't get away from chalcedony!
[00:04] <chalcedony> lol
[00:05] <chalcedony> greetings dear Compy :)
[00:05] <Compy> yo
[00:05] <chalcedony> missed you around
[00:07] <Compy> yeah, I've been keeping super busy. How are you?
[00:09] <chalcedony> Compy, ok ty
[00:09] <chalcedony> just hanging around mostly
[00:30] <Vivekananda> hey there
[00:31] <Vivekananda> anyone here ?
[06:22] <kewel> hi lubuntu 12.04 piii1ghz 512mb -- did 'sudo apt-get install radiotray'.  I've got the RadioTray icon in my menu under sound/video but it does nothing.  anyone got any ideas?
[06:25] <kewel> hmm .. ran 'radiotray' at the cli and it mentions gnome a couple times.
[06:25] <kewel> not kewel
[06:25] <wxl> not sure what that is kewel
[06:25] <wxl> will check it
[06:26] <kewel> hi
[06:26] <kewel> it's supposed to be a lightweight internet radio client
[06:26] <wxl> strange
[06:26] <wxl> the only way to use it is through the tray?
[06:26] <kewel> pfff i dono!
[06:27] <kewel> i saw somescreen shots that were in ubuntu
[06:27] <kewel> but welp this isn't ubuntu ..
[06:27] <wxl> harumph
[06:27] <kewel> however when I *did* install radiotray-lubuntu!!
[06:27] <kewel> strike the when part
[06:27] <wxl> no, you installed radiotray
[06:27] <wxl> every screenshot i see shows a gnome system tray
[06:28] <wxl> which you don't have
[06:28] <kewel> I did 'sudo apt-get install radio-tray' but the packages it installed had lubuntu in their names
[06:28] <wxl> and widgets made for it are not compatible with lxpanel
[06:28] <kewel> aha
[06:28] <wxl> however nowhere does it make it clear that it's specifically gnome-related
[06:30] <kewel> welp, I'm just hoping to find a [*really*] lightweight internet radio prog
[06:30] <wxl> mpg123
[06:30] <wxl> can't get lighter
[06:30] <wxl> but it's cli only
[06:30] <wxl> and that assumes you only use mp3 stations
[06:30] <kewel> ehh.. I wouldn't mind, but this machine is used by other folks
[06:31] <kewel> in the past I used live365.com which is a streaming web page .. but on this old puter it's really slow at getting some sound to come out!
[06:31] <wxl> mplayer works, too
[06:31] <wxl> so does vlc
[06:31] <wxl> i'm sure audacity, aqualung, etc.
[06:31] <kewel> streaming stations?
[06:31] <wxl> almost everything will do the trick
[06:31] <kewel> shows how much I know about that
[06:32] <kewel> I tohught audacity was a sound editor .....
[06:32] <kewel> =P
[06:32] <wxl> oops
[06:32] <kewel> audacious perhaps?
[06:32] <wxl> not audacity
[06:32] <wxl> yep
[06:32] <kewel> werd
[06:32] <kewel> got that
[06:33] <kewel> open url
[06:33] <kewel> looking for sumpin a bit more user friendly
[06:33] <wxl> lightweight != user-friendly as a general rule
[06:33] <wxl> what is it that you want?
[06:33] <kewel> hahah
[06:34] <kewel> a helicopter to rdo
[06:34] <kewel> rdo
[06:34] <kewel> rio
[06:34] <kewel> point and click radio stations
[06:34] <wxl> miro maybe?
[06:34] <wxl> not sure if there's a linux version to be honest
[06:34] <wxl> but it's NOT light
[06:35] <wxl> yep there is one
[06:37] <kewel> then it prolly won't do.
[06:37] <kewel> just not enough stuff out there for lubuntu sometimes
[06:37] <wxl> but what i'm trying to tell you is that you can't have your cake and eat it too
[06:37] <wxl> there's lots of things about lubuntu that aren't user friendly
[06:37] <kewel> maybe best off trying out webbased stations
[06:37] <wxl> but they're light
[06:37] <kewel> zactally
[06:38] <wxl> but there's TONS of stuff available for lubuntu. cuz almost everything is
[06:38] <kewel> maybe I should be typing about lxde
[06:38] <kewel> wait that is the window man right?
[06:39] <wxl> what i'm telling you is everything that's available for ubuntu is available for lubuntu
[06:39] <kewel> got that
[06:39] <kewel> what am I thinking of
[06:39] <kewel> not gnome, not kde
[06:39] <kewel> but ....
[06:39] <wxl> yep, lxde
[06:39] <kewel> lxde?
[06:39] <wxl> if you want things that don't require gnome or kde there are STILL tons of things
[06:40] <wxl> many apps don't require any one of those, but run off of qt or gtk or other libs
[06:40] <kewel> lxde can use those libs too?
[06:41] <wxl> yep because they're not de specific
[06:41] <wxl> my guess is this will fix your problem: http://www.nongnu.org/streamtuner/
[06:41] <wxl> !info streamtuner
[06:41] <wxl> doh
[06:41] <wxl> ah
[06:41] <wxl> !info streamtuner2
[06:42] <wxl> …which, as an example, uses gtk
[06:46] <kewel> back
[06:47] <kewel> does it work with lubuntu?
[06:47] <wxl> apparently you're not paying attention :)
[06:47] <wxl> if it uses gtk or qt it works universally
[06:47] <wxl> this uses gtk
[06:48] <kewel> hmm
[06:48] <kewel> checking itout ...
[06:48] <kewel> is it as simple as an apt-get command?
[06:49] <wxl> they all are
[06:49] <kewel> not squeemish but tired. =/
[07:50] <kewel> wxl: you still around?
[07:58] <kewel> uh installing a deb package, and it tells me a newer version is found in the 'software channel'.  wth is that?!
[08:07] <kewel> !ubottu
[08:17] <wxl> kewel: sorry disappeared. sudo apt-get install streamtuner2
[08:17] <wxl> anywho off to bed
[08:20] <kewel> hey cool
[08:20] <kewel> just wanted to say I got streamtuner2 working and it's badass
[08:20] <kewel> tons of stations and launches audacious to the correct urls
[08:20] <kewel> =)
[08:20] <kewel> peace
[08:26] <kewel> oh and streamtuner2 isn't what I was really looking for.  but it is badass.
[08:26] <kewel> heh
[08:26] <kewel> dono if I can teach my housemates to use it is what I mean. =/
[08:26] <kewel> o wel.  peace
[12:51] <pjotr> Hello, I have a question about the Lubuntu download page
[12:51] <pjotr> Perhaps it's a good idea to present the LTS version as the primary eye-catching download option. Not as a semi-hidden option under "Previous releases". So that beginners with Lubuntu, will usually pick the LTS.
[12:51] <pjotr> Reason: as we know, starting with Raring, support for intermediate ("standard") releases will be halved to nine months.
[12:52] <pjotr> As Mark Shuttleworth said: "Our working assumption is that the latest interim release is used by folks who will be involved, even if tangentially, in the making of Ubuntu, and LTS releases will be used by those who purely consume it." http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1246
[12:52] <pjotr> What do you think?
[12:57] <Touhou11> I disagree, interim releases should still be usable for an "average" user and stable, otherwise they're pointless being called a release
[12:57] <Touhou11> Packages in LTS releases can be drastically out of date after a year or two
[12:58] <pjotr> The main issue here is support period, I think. It's not nice for a beginner to be forced to upgrade very quickly...
[12:58] <pjotr> key word is "forced"
[13:02] <Touhou11> It depends what level of support a user expects
[13:02] <pjotr> security updates
[13:02] <Touhou11> We could mimic the approch of this page: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[13:03] <Touhou11> It makes it clear to the user they need to choose between long support or features
[13:07] <pjotr> Touhou11: that's an idea... Do you know who's in charge of that?
[13:08] <phillw> pjotr: lubuntu 12.04 will continue to receive security updates, however it is not an LTS in so far as the 'lubuntu specific' parts will receive updates.
[13:08] <phillw> it already has been discussed about having 14.04 as an LTS.
[13:10] <phillw> the rules actually state you need two 'normal' releases prior to your 1st LTS, 12.04 was our second 'normal' release, albeit that it will have security updates for things like the kernel for a longer period of time than is expected for a 'normal' release.
[13:14] <pjotr> phillw: I see... Yes, that complicates matters for now
[13:16] <pjotr> Nevertheless, for a beginner with Lubuntu, 12.04 will often be the better choice after April 25, I think
[13:17] <pjotr> Have you maybe an idea how that "fact" could be presented on the download page?
[13:25] <pjotr> for "fact", read "consideration". More suitable, I think. :-)
[13:29] <pjotr> it's not just new kernels you'll keep getting in 12.04, but also things like a new Firefox and a new Flash Player
[13:36] <Touhou11> pjotr: Flash player on Linux has been abandoned, so there won't be newer releases
[13:46] <pjotr> Touhou11: so it is, but the old Flash version does still get security updates (no feature updates, only security updates). Anyway, it was just an example...
[20:01] <grouver_> hi
[20:01] <grouver_> wxl, your here?
[20:01] <wxl> grouver_: what up
[20:01] <grouver_> You remember me from the wired internet problem?
[20:02] <wxl> yep
[20:02] <grouver_> It was the NIC it was broken or something. I replaced it and internet works now.
[20:02] <wxl> weird that it worked for a bit but not surprising
[20:02] <grouver_> But now i have a new problem. Horay.
[20:02] <wxl> goodie! probably an easie rone ;)
[20:02] <grouver_> wxl, my usb ports are not working.
[20:03] <grouver_> I tried different sticks. And they all do not light up if i plug them in in any port.
[20:03] <wxl> grouver_: first thing first, what is the result of lsusb ?
[20:03] <grouver_> I tried:  lsusb.  but it gives: unable to initialize libusb: -99
[20:03] <wxl> hm
[20:03] <wxl> is this quantal or raring?
[20:04] <grouver_> come again? :p
[20:04] <wxl> lsb_release -a
[20:05] <grouver_> No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID:	Ubuntu Description:	Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS Release:	12.04 Codename:	precise
[20:05] <wxl> precise
[20:05] <grouver_> wxl, didnt install the newest version yet fyi.
[20:05] <wxl> that's what i just figured out :)
[20:05] <grouver_> cocky me.. :p
[20:06] <wxl> well this is really curious.
[20:06] <grouver_> http://libusb.6.n5.nabble.com/lsusb-Get-quot-unable-to-initialize-libusb-99-quot-td5650506.html
[20:06] <wxl> what about lspci | grep -i usb?
[20:06] <wxl> cuz i think lsusb will give you the hubs but lspci should give you the controller itself
[20:06] <grouver_> i doesnt display anything.
[20:07] <grouver_> it*
[20:07] <wxl> what machine is this?
[20:07] <grouver_> wxl, a compaq i believe.  Let me check.
[20:07] <wxl> specifics please
[20:08] <grouver_> i dont really know. Is there a command to retrieve all hardware info?
[20:08] <wxl> well not that's going to give you info on the model name per se
[20:08] <wxl> you can get the cpu and all that
[20:08] <grouver_> oh know.. the case says: "Micromaxx"
[20:09] <grouver_> its a really old pc i can tell you that though.
[20:09] <grouver_> defenitly 10 years old at least.
[20:09] <wxl> not a laptop?
[20:09] <grouver_> no
[20:09] <wxl> yeah doesn't help
[20:10] <grouver_> its running an AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2600+
[20:10] <grouver_> so yeah its a old one lol.
[20:10] <wxl> it's a presario most likely
[20:10] <wxl> but could be one of many
[20:11] <grouver_> that cpu is made in 2002.
[20:11] <grouver_> anyways... arent the usb ports broken if the usb sticks doenst light up?
[20:12] <wxl> something is amiss for sure
[20:12] <grouver_> i mean it isnt about any driver or whatever then right? It doesnt even get power.
[20:12] <wxl> either drivers or hardware
[20:12] <grouver_> shoot.. i need them usb ports. :(
[20:13] <grouver_> got the model nr.
[20:13] <grouver_> hold on a sec.
[20:14] <grouver_> micromaxx pcmt6
[20:16] <wxl> that's just the mainboard, no/
[20:17] <grouver_> well the case says also Micromaxx at the front so.
[20:17] <wxl> google searches don't seem to suggest that's the model number of the computer
[20:17] <wxl> or anything to do with anything outside of the internal hardware
[20:20] <grouver_> well i cant find anything in the inside of the case either. :(
[20:21] <grouver_> Should I try the ubuntu channel. Maybe somebody over there knows a trick to know if its the driver or just a hardware problem?
[20:34] <holstein> grouver_: i usually just try different live CD's.. have you tried a knoppix live cd? have you tried seeing the usb hardware on a bios level?
[20:35] <holstein> the issue for me would be, i waste a bunch of time trying to make the USB hardware work when its actually broken
[20:36] <grouver_> holstein, since the NIC was broken to..  i think this may be the cause yes.  Iam asking at the ubuntu channel now.
[20:36] <grouver_> holsten, will try to take a look in to the bios yes. Good one.
[20:37] <holstein> grouver_: sure, but thats actually my point. if the hardware is bad, it'll be bad no matter what OS you are on.. the OS (any os) will just say "hardware not present" in whatever way it says that
[20:41] <grouver_> gonna reboot... will check bios. see you guys. thanks for the help.
[20:43] <holstein> grouver_: if my bios didnt boot usb...
[20:43] <holstein> i would burn a plop iso, and boot that.. see if the USB hardware presents its self, and can be booted
[20:44] <holstein> if i booted a plop CD and it didnt show any usb hardware, i would assume an issue with the hardware
[20:45] <grouver_> holstein, gonna take a peek now. Thanks. wxl, holstein.   Goodnight.
[20:51] <grouver_> holstein, wxl, fixed :D
[20:51] <grouver_> USB was disabled in the bios.
[20:51] <grouver_> So was the onboard lan connection.
[20:52] <grouver_> lol thats why the onboard connection didnt work wxl.
[20:52] <grouver_> anyways.. gotta go.  thanks.
[20:52] <holstein> grouver_: thats why i suggested checking the bios for the LAN issue before.. if the harware is off or broken, there is *nothing* *any* os can do to support the hardware
[20:53] <holstein> grouver_: cheers!