[00:25] <Captain_Proton> tring to install kubuntu 13.04, after i hit start kubuntu i receive "unable to boot please start with no pae"
[00:26] <Captain_Proton> anyone no what the kernel flag is to turn PAE off
[00:40] <delac> installed raring on virtualbox. sometimes it boots, mostly not. It hangs on acpid (if I send ctr-alt-del, it says "acpid exiting"). Tried already acpi=off. thoughts?
[00:48] <allu3> delac: hum when all fails my generic set is nomodeset noacpi, but not sure if it will make any difference
[00:51] <delac> allu3: going to try, thanks (I got it to boot finally, so not going to shut it down anytime soon :) Althoug I have no idea why it booted this time. Seems to require at least half a dozen tries every time)
[02:59] <delac> cant seem to start any of the Gnome desktops (gnome3 ppa set, gnome-package installed and everything upgraded) did I miss something?
[03:05] <delac> oh, sory. actually the fallback session starts, but the screen is totally black and nothing works (except you get the logout dialog with ctrl-alt-del)
[03:06] <bjsnider> delac, did you switch to gdm?
[03:06] <bjsnider> you can't log in to gnome 3.6 with lightdm
[03:08] <delac> bjsnider: yes, I do use gdm
[03:08] <delac> also, I have updated to 3.8
[03:09] <bjsnider> i don't know that it's very reliable at this point
[03:09] <delac> well indeed it does not seem to
[03:19] <jbicha> delac: did you run dist-upgrade
[03:19] <jbicha> bjsnider: I believe you can use gnome 3.6 with lightdm, it's been a few months since I've done it though
[03:20] <bjsnider> didn't work for me when i tried it back in the fall
[03:22] <delac> jbicha: no, should I?
[03:24] <jbicha> delac: yes, otherwise I believe you'll get exactly the kind of problem you got :)
[03:26] <delac> jbicha: well, it didn't do anything more (nothing to upgrade).
[03:27] <jbicha> delac: what's gnome-shell --version tell you?
[03:28] <delac> jbicha: 3.8.0.1
[03:28] <cpatrick08> I was wondering if there has any new info on the rolling development, how to activate it.
[03:29] <jbicha> delac: ok then ppa purge the gnome3 ppa
[03:30] <jbicha> oh and file a bug using ubuntu-bug gnome-shell before you do that
[03:31] <delac> jbicha: nah, this is virtualbox. maybe I just try gubuntu instead ;)
[03:33] <cpatrick08> delac, try a daily-live from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/
[03:34] <delac> jbicha: oh, the software updater did find some new python packages, and installing those helped
[03:36] <delac> the desktop background is white, except when on the overview, then the wallpaper shows...?
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[07:20] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:35] <Dreaman> good :)
[08:30] <ktogias-office> Hi. I own a mutitouch x86 (not arm) tablet/ultrabook hybrid device and have done some testing with ubuntu 12.10 and 13.04 beta2. I have posted results, fixes and other related info on this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/1121379 . The touch screen does not work out of the box with 13.04, but there is an updated module (that will make it into linux 3.9) that fixes the problem. Could this be included in
[08:30] <ktogias-office> 13.04?
[08:30] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1121379 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu) "Multiple finger touch fails on Sony Vaio Duo 11 running Ubuntu 12.10 (N-Trig DuoSense MultiTouch)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
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[10:57] <zero_coder> hey , can i get download link of raring ringtail beta 2?
[10:58] <DJones> zero_coder: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[10:58] <smartboyhw> DJones, no not that
[10:58] <smartboyhw> http://releases.ubuntu.com/raring/
[10:58] <smartboyhw> zero_coder, ^
[11:00] <FOAD> Hi.  Just did a fresh install of Kubuntu 13.04.  In de Date and time settings my local time zone is Europe/Amsterdam, but Kubuntu still uses UTC.  What am I missing?
[11:01] <smartboyhw> FOAD: Tell us in #kubuntu or #kubuntu-devel will be good:)
[11:02] <FOAD> Ah.
[11:02] <FOAD> Ta.
[11:19] <Touhou11> Does anyone know why the new version of Ubuntu isn't updating GNOME to 3.8? Seems like a major regression
[11:20] <smartboyhw> Touhou11, the Ubuntu GNOME team thought it too risky to put 3.8 in the archives since it needs a lot of supporting work
[11:20] <smartboyhw> so they are just doing 3.6 for Ubuntu GNOME releases
[11:20] <Touhou11> Supporting work? Such as?
[11:20] <Touhou11> It's been released as stable and is shipping on other distributions already
[11:20] <smartboyhw> Touhou11, but the team can't.
[11:21] <smartboyhw> Touhou11, the Ubuntu archive for Raring is on freeze now.
[11:21] <Touhou11> I guess you're right, the time would be tight
[11:21] <smartboyhw> Although the team can file an FFe (and UIFe and ...)
[11:21] <Touhou11> Shame the timelines aren't more in sync
[11:21] <smartboyhw> It would be very tight on schedule
[11:21] <smartboyhw> Touhou11, shame indeed.
[11:21] <smartboyhw> Touhou11, try to find the Ubuntu GNOME guys on #ubuntu-gnome :)
[11:22] <Touhou11> Ok
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:33] <Touhou11> Hello
[11:42] <BluesKaj> hi Touhou11
[11:53] <tyrog> Hello. Did anybody here manage to successfully run Xscreensaver in 13.04? thanks
[11:57] <MistaMike> hi guys, i need a little help.
[11:57] <MistaMike> welp anyways, I'm trying to install google chrome (ubuntu 13.04) and I've been told to install libudev, but i get an error during the process.
[11:59] <tyrog> MistaMike: Better use chromium for now, till google fixes the udev problem
[11:59] <BluesKaj> MistaMike, have you updated and upgraded lately ?
[11:59] <MistaMike> I've upgraded ubuntu, yes.
[11:59] <MistaMike> alright, thanks.
[12:01] <BluesKaj> yes MistaMike , chromium-browser is tweaked for linux , chrome , not so much
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[12:20] <qengho> MistaMike|away: rather, chromium-browser is maintained by some clever and attractive bloke in Ubuntu, and will always work with Ubuntu.
[12:22] <BluesKaj> qengho, nice to see such optimism :)
[12:23] <qengho> Well, that bloke is me, so I know something of it.
[12:23] <qengho> And I know what Google did wrong.
[12:26] <BluesKaj> ok , qengho I would use chromium , but the small tab fonts prevent me from using it on a large monitor/tv , the fon't don't integrate qith gtk or kde font settings , whereas firefox fonts do.
[12:26] <BluesKaj> with
[12:27] <smartboyhw> qengho, LOL
[12:27] <qengho> BluesKaj: have you filed a bug report?
[12:27] <qengho> Complaints outside of bug reports do not exist.
[12:27] <philinux> BluesKaj: howdy, 13.04 is really boring now. no crashes to sort out
[12:28] <BluesKaj> is it a bug or is it just not linked to system font settings ?
[12:28] <BluesKaj> philinux, yeah , very stable so far
[12:28] <philinux> BluesKaj: I've never known one so stable as this
[12:29] <BluesKaj> philinux, the guys/devs have definitely done good job so far
[12:30] <philinux> BluesKaj: Impressive QA too
[12:30] <BluesKaj> hmm, maybe time to change the batteries , KB is dropping letters again
[12:31] <smartboyhw> philinux, +1
[12:33] <philinux> BluesKaj: I'm keen on hearing news on this rolling dev release system
[12:36] <haukew> Hi everyone!  I just installed Kubuntu 13.04 Beta (today´s apt-get upgrade) and the screen management (from systemsettings) crashes on me, when i want to switch from single to dual-screen. Here is the crash-report: http://textdump.net/read/1866/
[12:36] <BluesKaj> philinux, think there's already a proposal in the works that just needs approval/adoption , some thing about a compromise . That's all I know . Could ask in #ubuntu-devel
[12:36] <lordievader> haukew: Is the package kde-workspace-randr installed on your system?
[12:38] <haukew> lordievader: no it was not, i installed it, still crashes :-(
[12:38] <smartboyhw> philinux, and I am strongly against the rolling dev thing:P
[12:39] <lordievader> haukew: Hmm, that fixed a similair issue for me once.
[12:40] <philinux> smartboyhw: why's that?
[12:40] <lordievader> haukew: Perhaps it requires a reboot.
[12:40] <smartboyhw> philinux, try to find it at smartboyhw.tk/wordpress_smartboyhw ;P
[12:40] <haukew> I´ ll try that. Here is the new debug-output: http://textdump.net/read/1867/
[12:40] <haukew> brb
[13:19] <qengho> BluesKaj: bad behavior is a bug.  Bug doesn't mean code error, it means intent mismatch.
[13:21] <BluesKaj> qengho, I don't think it's intentional , neglectful maybe ...
[13:22] <qengho> You're not going to file a bug, are you, BluesKaj?
[13:26] <BluesKaj> qengho, I guess i should have kept it to myself , filing bugs hasn't been successful for me.
[13:26] <qengho> BluesKaj: you can be sure silence will be less successful.
[13:28] <BluesKaj> yeah , but it doesn't really matter , FF works fine
[13:28] <qengho> Okay.
[13:30] <haukew> It seems to work now, maybe installing  kde-workspace-randr fixed it. Thanks, lordievader
[13:30] <lordievader> haukew: No problem ;)
[13:31] <haukew> bye :-)
[13:31] <BluesKaj> another happy customer :)
[13:31] <lordievader> BluesKaj: That is why we do it :)
[13:32] <BluesKaj> yup :)
[13:41] <BluesKaj> new kernel version coming down the pipe
[13:41] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj, \o/
[13:41] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj, it should anyway, this week it is Kernel Freeze.
[13:46] <BluesKaj> uhoh , bad kernel build for the 310.32 nvidia driver
[13:51]  * BluesKaj takes a chance , reboots
[14:18] <c2tarun> hi friends, anyone here using ubuntu 13.04 over ATI RADEON 5XXX series graphic card?
[14:19] <smartboyhw> 4XXX here so no:P
[14:19] <c2tarun> smartboyhw, are you facing any heating issues while playing videos in vlc or playing videos over youtube?
[14:20] <smartboyhw> c2tarun, I don't do that:P
[14:20] <c2tarun> smartboyhw, you never played any video or you use some surrogate for vlc?
[14:22] <Touhou11> What driver are you using?
[14:23] <c2tarun> Touhou11, the one from Additional Drivers
[14:23] <c2tarun> I tried installing latest from ATI site also, same problem
[14:24] <c2tarun> Touhou11, problem seems to be stable these days though, now temp never goes over 75-80 but sometimes it use to reach 90 degrees centigrade so I just shut down my machine.
[14:25] <c2tarun> in case I leave my machine idle for 5-10 mins temperature decreases to 55-65
[14:26] <c2tarun> Touhou11, I read about 13.04 today and found that there is lot of polishing done and I would like to try it, but I don't want to mess my current 12.04 LTS install. So if anyone using it on ATI series card and not facing heating problem can help me in selecting proper driver or setting.
[14:26] <Touhou11> c2tarun: Use the open source driver instead
[14:26] <c2tarun> Also I tried installing 12.10 but it was heating too much, I am using ubuntu 12.04 because of Ubuntu 2D it heats less.
[14:26] <c2tarun> Touhou11, how can I get open source driver?
[14:27] <Touhou11> Uninstall the "additional drivers"
[14:27] <Touhou11> And it should revert back
[14:30] <c2tarun> Touhou11, ohh.. you mean no drivers, ubuntu by default includes open source driver for ATI card? If I uninstall from additional drivers, my laptop will start heating again. Actually heating forced me to install driver, I was ok with no or open source driver.
[14:32] <Touhou11> If you use the default open-source driver, you could diagnose why it's heating up
[14:32] <Touhou11> Not possible with a closed source one
[14:36] <c2tarun> Touhou11, how to do that? the diagnosis of why system is heating too much!
[14:37] <Touhou11> c2tarun: You're familiar with C and Linux debugging?
[14:38] <c2tarun> Touhou11, yup
[15:15] <starbuck> hi, i discovered theres no whitelist for the tray icons in the panel anymore, how do i get the minimized programs into the tray, atm if i minimize to tray the program just disappears and has to be killed via console to end it
[15:16] <philinux> BluesKaj: spoke too soon earlier. lol. new kernel has borked system
[15:25] <genii-around> nvidia-experimental ( both 310 and 304 ) can't install for some reason, only nvidia-current. The make.log indicates it can't decide what the currently running kernel is
[15:31] <genii-around> ( this is after a reboot where the kernel version should not be in transition between the old one and a newly installed one). The proper prerequisites are installed ( linux-image-generic, linux-headers-generic, dkms, build-essential, linux-source )
[15:35] <BluesKaj> wow that last kernel version upgrade mucked things up in the grqphics driver dept , had to revert to the same driver I used when 12.10 was new. nvidia-304
[15:36] <l_r> hello
[15:38] <bjsnider> genii-around, can i see the log
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[15:38] <genii-around> bjsnider: It's not that informative, but I'll pastebin it
[15:39] <genii-around> bjsnider: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5689728/
[15:40] <genii-around> It's the same for -experimental-304
[15:41] <bjsnider> genii-around, what kernel version did you upgrade from?
[15:44] <genii-around> bjsnider: The immediate preceding one, I dist-upgrade twice a day
[15:44] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, the nvidia module for that new kernel (3.8.0-17) fails to build properly here , too many apport and jockey errors to post
[15:44] <bjsnider> ok, well it's a minor change. i doubt it's going to break dkms
[15:47] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, try the kernel upgrade and see for yourself :)
[15:48] <genii-around> Should I try to install one of the experimental ones inside of dbg or so?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> you might be safe with the 313 nvidia tho
[15:50] <bjsnider> -17.27?
[15:50] <bjsnider> do the headers and everything match that version?
[15:50] <genii-around> BluesKaj: I don't see that as a current option. Then again, I recently disabled kubuntu-ninjas
[15:51] <BluesKaj> genii-around, I installed the nvidia-current here , which is the 304..84
[15:51] <BluesKaj> sorry genii-around the 313 suggestion was meant for bjsnider'
[15:52] <bjsnider> i am not using raring
[15:55] <bjsnider> try to install 310 from the console and pastebin the result
[15:55] <genii-around> I have -17.32 here for linux-image, linux-headers, and linux-source. 2.2.0.3-1.1ubuntu2 for dkms, 11.6ubuntu4 for build-essential
[16:00] <genii-around> bjsnider: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5689785/
[16:01] <BluesKaj> genii-around, yup , had the same errors ..just to confirm
[16:01] <bjsnider> line 36
[16:02] <bjsnider> and run dkms status
[16:03] <genii-around> nvidia-304, 304.88, 3.8.0-17-generic, x86_64: installed     and: nvidia-experimental-310, 310.14: added
[16:06] <FunnyLookinHat> Hey - friendly suggestion - don't run updates today if you have nvidia proprietary drivers running.
[16:06] <bjsnider> bug 1099118
[16:06] <ubottu> bug 1099118 in dkms (Ubuntu) "dmks fails building module as of missing dependency" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1099118
[16:06] <FunnyLookinHat> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1166253
[16:06] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1166253 in unity (Ubuntu) "Regression: Unity does not launch on startup" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:06] <FunnyLookinHat> Yup that too.
[16:07] <bjsnider> genii-around, they guy says "After installing the "python-apport" package this issue was fixed."
[16:07] <genii-around> I'll try shortly, work requires me for 5-8 minutes right now
[16:07] <bjsnider> very well suh
[16:10] <genii-around> Same error output, without the apport lines. eg: "Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 3.8.0-17-generic (x86_64)" remains and the make.log is identical as before.
[16:11] <genii-around> Also I just got a crash notice
[16:14] <genii-around> Identical results again for -experimental-304
[16:16] <BluesKaj> FunnyLookinHat, already updated the kernel , had to revert to nvidia-304.84 driver
[16:16] <FunnyLookinHat> BluesKaj, Ah ok - I was on 310
[16:16] <FunnyLookinHat> Maybe -experimental is the issue ?
[16:19] <BluesKaj> FunnyLookinHat, so was I , the 310 kernel module failed build errored out with a dkms apport error
[16:20] <BluesKaj> err , module failed to build
[16:20] <FunnyLookinHat> Gonna try 313 updates
[16:20] <BluesKaj> the 304 is looking good to me right now :)
[16:21] <BluesKaj> itried the 313 updates but it failed to bring the driver in
[16:21] <BluesKaj> still not listed in synaptic
[16:23] <FunnyLookinHat> hmm -
[16:23] <FunnyLookinHat> I'm gonna try 313 quick - rebooting
[16:24] <genii-around> Hm. In the var/lib/dkms/nvidia-experimental-304/304.48/build/makefile  it wants to set KERNEL_SOURCES to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/sources    but that subdirectory of "sources" doesn't exist.
[16:26] <FunnyLookinHat> 313 works.
[16:26] <FunnyLookinHat> So anything not -experimental- it seems
[16:27] <BluesKaj> FunnyLookinHat, which card ?
[16:27] <BluesKaj> or gpu
[16:27] <FunnyLookinHat> GTX460M
[16:28] <BluesKaj> the 313 is supposed to work with my 8400gs, but think I'll wait til the dust settles
[16:31] <FunnyLookinHat> yeah heh
[16:57] <genii-around> apt-cache policy linux-headers-generic    produces a result of -17.32, but apt-cache policy linux-headers-$(uname -r) produces a result of -17.27
[16:57] <trashmotte> somebody here?
[17:01] <trism> genii-around: that's not a big deal, the linux-meta and linux packages have different versions
[17:01] <trashmotte> hi, how can i get pidgin or xchat into the systray on minimize or close?
[17:02] <genii-around> Interesting.
[17:38] <lordievader> Good evening
[17:40] <fm__> hi, could someone open https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1113831 again?
[17:40] <ubottu> Error: launchpad bug 1113831 not found
[17:40] <fm__> it has been accidently marked as private
[17:41] <trism> fm__: might ask in #ubuntu-bugs
[17:43] <fm__> thanks trism
[18:00] <Twilo> hello, i use kubuntu 13.04 and i have a problem with starting scite, strace output http://paste.debian.net/248302/ + http://paste.debian.net/248303/. What is the problem?
[18:06] <genii-around> BluesKaj: nvidia-313-updates installed fine.
[18:07] <genii-around> Oddly, nvidia-304 actually gets all the way to the end and the module gets successfully created but not installed. -310 chokes before getting anywhere near making the module
[18:07] <BluesKaj> yeah , but what about the driver genii-around ? I see the update packaged , but no driver
[18:10] <BluesKaj> no 313 driver listed in synaptic
[18:10] <FunnyLookinHat> hmm - I don't use synaptic... but it's definitely there.
[18:10] <FunnyLookinHat> Update ?
[18:10] <genii-around> BluesKaj: /var/lib/dkms/nvidia-313-updates/313.26/3.8.0-17-generic/x86_64/module/     shows a driver there
[18:10] <genii-around> eg: nvidia_313_updates.ko
[18:11] <FunnyLookinHat> http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/nvidia-313-updates
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[18:18] <BluesKaj> genii-around, the 313 updates file doesn't exist here , the /var/lib/dkms/ file contains the 304 driver only
[18:19] <genii-around> Weird.
[18:21] <genii-around> BluesKaj: It seems to have installed here: /lib/modules/3.8.0-17-generic/updates/dkms/nvidia_313_updates.ko     .. for me, the 304 makes the driver in the dkms hierarchy but doesn't install it for some reason to /lib/modules/<kernel-version>
[18:21] <genii-around> Rebooting, returning shortly
[18:27] <audio> what is the proper way to install new amd drivers on 13.04?
[18:27] <socketubs> hi, nobody just dist-upgrade to 3.8.0-17 and have nvidia drivers just failed to build ?
[18:28] <audio> i tried selecting the fglrx updates prop driver from the software>additional drivers tab and resulted in a AMD unsupported hardware icon on the bottum right.
[18:28] <BluesKaj> yes, there's a bug , socketubs
[18:28] <socketubs> BluesKaj, damn it, there are no unittest or build test seriously u_u
[18:28] <socketubs> Thanks for your answer
[18:29] <audio> anyone mind helping with amd driver probs
[18:30] <genii-around> BluesKaj: 313 driver dumped me to console, so I reinstalled -current again.
[18:31] <BluesKaj> yeah , genii-around the 313 updates install but leaves the nvidia-313 driver behind , dunno what good the updates are if it doesn't pull the dtiver in
[18:32] <socketubs> I've tried (experimental|current|nouveau) with latest 3.8.0-17 and nothing works. Just have to fallback to 3.8.0-16 with experimental.
[18:32] <audio> which drivers are working for amd cards?
[18:32] <BluesKaj> socketubs, the 304 , nvidia-current driver works
[18:32] <genii-around> socketubs: nvidia-current works for me on -17 but none of the -experimental-304 or -experimental-310
[18:33] <socketubs> with 3.8.0-17 ?
[18:33] <socketubs> okay
[18:33] <BluesKaj> yes
[18:34] <socketubs> thank you guys
[18:35] <BluesKaj> audio, amd what cards , sound or graphics
[18:35] <audio> graphics
[18:36] <audio> i just removed the prop drivers and reinstalling the xorg ones, and looking for another way to install the new drivers for amd
[18:37] <audio> i tried installing from the software & updates additional drivers, and after reboot had the amd unsupported hardware on bottum of screen
[18:38] <BluesKaj> audio the ati/amd graphics driver situation is very confusing atm , especially to me so I'll let some knowledgeable ati experienced ppl take over
[18:39] <audio> BluesKaj, dang the luck, you're the only one who's responded to my question i nthe past hour xD
[18:39] <audio> was also askin gin the 12.10 chan lol
[18:39] <BluesKaj> if you do don't mention that you're on 13.04 :)
[18:40] <BluesKaj> it doesn't make a whole lot of diff from what I've seen
[18:40] <audio> yea i failed on that note.. xchat decided to slap me in that chan xD
[18:40] <audio> yea that's what i told him
[18:40] <audio> some people, shrug
[18:40] <BluesKaj> yeah.sticklers
[18:41] <audio> and here i thought it was going to be a lot easier than my laptop with dual nvidia 9700m gts cards
[18:41] <audio> that was a nightmare
[18:41] <BluesKaj> must be some laptop
[18:41] <audio> ya it still compares to newer gaming rigs today, bout 9 years old too xD
[18:42] <audio> qosmio x708
[18:42] <BluesKaj> ooops I see
[18:42] <audio> never did find a working solution for the drivers.. but xorg worked pretty well with a dual monitor setup on kde
[18:42] <socketubs> Unity still doesn't want nvidia-current with 3.8.0-17
[18:42] <audio> any other desktop i tried was pretty bad with hangs/hard freezes
[18:42] <audio> dang
[18:43] <audio> so what dang cards do they support, intel only or what lol
[18:43] <BluesKaj> socketubs, bummer , I'm on kde , should ahve mentioned that
[18:43] <audio> i need to go buy one of these new linux gaming pcs with linux pre installed, and see how their getting these things workin
[18:44] <socketubs> BluesKaj, no problem!
[18:44] <audio> took me 2 days just to get linux stable with a working boot loader on this uefi hardware crap
[18:44] <socketubs> genii-around, you use nvidia-current with 3.8.0-17 and Unity ?
[18:45] <BluesKaj> that efi thing is causing alot of trouble ..why have they replaced the bios with it
[18:45] <genii-around> socketubs: I'm on KDE, but otherwise yes
[18:45] <socketubs> ok guys so its time to kick out unity \o/
[18:45] <audio> to own the industry later down the road
[18:46] <socketubs> bug reported on launchpad ?
[18:46] <audio> i actually found a pretty good and easy fix for it
[19:02] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, efi is much more advanced than bios. boots much faster
[19:03] <BluesKaj> well , bjsnider , maybe for those can actually boot in :)
[19:03] <BluesKaj> who
[19:03] <bjsnider> me for instance
[19:05] <BluesKaj> guess I'll be using the nvidia-304 for a while , but it's working fine ..so I guess one has to be thankful for small mercies :)
[19:09] <audio> hm
[19:09] <audio> heh
[19:10] <audio> ima linux noob and i got it workin fine
[19:10] <audio> ;P
[19:10] <audio> reading some of the forums and walkthroughs peoples main probs were the easiest things like turning uefi off and secure boot
[19:10] <audio> and getting to their bios lol
[19:11] <audio> my kids could do that xD
[19:11] <audio> bjsnider, did you get them both booting from windows boot manager, or are you using grub?
[19:12] <bjsnider> i do not use windows
[19:12] <audio> oh ok, nm then
[19:14] <audio> alright wish me luck BluesKaj , gonna try n reboot and see if the install went well xD
[19:14] <Twilo> i use kubuntu 13.04 and i have a problem with starting scite, strace output http://paste.debian.net/248302/ + http://paste.debian.net/248303/. What is happen?
[19:18] <genii-around> !info scite
[19:18] <ubottu> scite (source: scite): Lightweight GTK-based Programming Editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0.2-3 (raring), package size 1047 kB, installed size 2708 kB
[19:25] <genii-around> Twilo: How did you install it?
[19:26] <Twilo> genii-around: with apt-get install scite
[19:28] <Twilo> genii-around: i also tried apt-get purge scite; apt-get install scite:i386
[19:33] <cmos_> word
[19:33] <cmos_> i think i got it ;P
[19:34] <cmos_> now to 86 this ugly testing use only watermark o.O
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[19:35] <audio> ^
[19:36] <audio> OpenGL vendor string: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
[19:36] <audio> OpenGL renderer string: AMD Radeon HD 7340 Graphics
[19:36] <audio> OpenGL version string: 4.2.12173 Compatibility Profile Context 12.10.17
[19:36] <audio> that means driver was installed successfully right?
[19:47] <BluesKaj> audio, the version string indicates the installed driver , but I don't know what that string means
[19:49] <BluesKaj> no clue whether that's an ati driver
[19:50] <audio> ya ati/amd are the same
[19:50] <audio> i think aslong as it doesnt say mesa or vesa or something than it's okay
[19:51] <audio> plus i ran the 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Wrestler [Radeon HD 7340]
[19:51] <audio> oops
[19:51] <audio> plus i ran the fgl_glxgears and it ran fine
[19:51] <audio> no errors or tears or anything. so i guess it's okay o.o
[19:51] <BluesKaj> then you;'re ok
[19:51] <audio> not sure what else to check
[19:52] <audio> nice, not bad on the second try ;P
[19:52] <BluesKaj> that's about all
[19:52] <audio> much easier than nvidia i have to say lol
[19:53] <BluesKaj> well nvidia works fine as long as the devs don't forget to include important libs and packages
[19:53] <audio> heh
[19:53] <BluesKaj> I didn't have trouble until today when the new kernel came down
[19:53] <audio> ya if you have 1 card, or the hybrid with bumblebee. but not if you have 2 cards on a laptop
[19:54] <audio> ya i read something about it messing up on every kernel update
[19:54] <audio> never quite got that far tho to figure it out
[19:54] <BluesKaj> bbl
[19:54] <audio> only thing i could think of was possibly my card going out, or hardware issue, but every benchmark i ran had fine results
[19:55] <audio> so i donno
[19:55] <audio> laters, thx for the help
[20:06] <audio> only thing i could think of was possibly my card going out, or hardware issue, but every benchmark i ran had fine results
[20:14] <audio> worked ;P
[20:26] <lee98632> Ok high guys, I have bug that needs squashing
[20:26] <lee98632> ready to squash it?
[20:29] <lee98632> in Kubuntu,13.o4 , I s this, I am not allowed to trandfer files from my camera to my "Videos" area, How ever, I can transfer files to the Public folder?
[20:30] <lee98632> a second Bug is that when ever I add an app, it gives me soem wierd thing that the files has may have been tampered with..which I am pretty sure it hasn't been‎ it has to do with when adding programs, how ever they do get installed.
[20:31] <lee98632> its the not being able to transfer video files that has me intrigued..
[20:31] <lee98632> it will down load video from the net and store it that way
[20:33] <lee98632> Hmm, is there any humans in here?
[20:35] <lordievader> !patience
[20:35] <ubottu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com/ or http://ubuntuforums.org/ or http://askubuntu.com/
[20:35] <lordievader> Hmm not really the answer I was hoping for, anyhow many idlers ;)
[20:39] <lordievader> lee98632: To me your first "bug" sounds like a permission error. You do have rw access to the "Videos" area?
[20:43] <lee98632> rw?
[20:43] <lee98632> re write?
[20:44] <lee98632> oh yes I h do have access to the folder
[20:44] <lee98632> I can open it I jsut can not transfer
[20:44] <lee98632> to it
[20:46] <lordievader> lee98632: How are you trying to transfer files? With Dolphin?
[20:47] <lee98632> Direct copy and paste ie typical open camera file copy it and paste it. that kind of thing.
[20:47] <lee98632> cam is nothing special.
[20:49] <lee98632> the selection "paste is greyed out"
[20:49] <lee98632> how ever on and external drive it will show up
[20:50] <lordievader> lee98632: From this I take that you use Dolphin, what happens when you try to do the same thing with the good old terminal?
[20:51] <lee98632> hmm, not skilled in that area yet, havn't tried it, but pretty good at following directions, I have used the terminal to down load things, but not to trasnter a file
[20:52] <lee98632> terminal is up and running
[20:53] <lee98632> oh and the error occurred right after I upgraded.
[20:54] <lee98632> so before the upgrade I was able to transfer, after the upgrade is when things went PFFT
[20:55] <lordievader> Upgrade from what to what? 12.10 -> 13.04?
[20:55] <lordievader> Anyhow do you know the mountpoint of your sd card (camera)?
[20:56] <lee98632> hmm no, after loading 13.04 it said ther was an up date so I did that, then it said that there was an up grade so I did that
[20:57] <lee98632> you know, just to make sure everything was updated
[20:57] <lee98632> and I understand this is an Alpha 2
[20:58] <lee98632> but, then a gagain how do we know whats working and whats not if people don't report in lol
[20:59] <lordievader> lee98632: True, true. It is very good that you report this ;)
[20:59] <lee98632> not a fraid to dig in either, its a beta, i know the risks.
[20:59] <lordievader> But do you know the mountpoint?
[21:00] <lee98632> hmm define mountpoint
[21:00] <lordievader> lee98632: You could consider joining the Kubuntu Testers Team :) https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTesters
[21:01] <lee98632> lol i don't even know what a mount point is lol
[21:01] <lee98632> the last time I touched code was when i had a c-64 and c 128
[21:01] <lordievader> I think Wikipedia can better explain it than I can: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_(computing)
[21:02] <lee98632> and i wrote a virus by accident.. bye bye c 128
[21:03] <lee98632> and since then I didnt do any more peeking and poking
[21:05] <lee98632> so what is this idea about transferring a file using the terminal?
[21:05] <lordievader> lee98632: The idea is, it might give you a hint as to what is wrong ;)
[21:05] <lee98632> well then lights try it lol
[21:06] <lee98632> "lets"
[21:06] <lee98632> whatis the command line I need to try it?
[21:07] <lordievader> lee98632: We first need to know the mount point ;), could you pastebin the output of "mount"?
[21:07] <lordievader> !paste
[21:07] <ubottu> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[21:08] <lee98632> he ok
[21:08] <lee98632> mount point
[21:08] <lee98632> hmm looks like I am going to have to register
[21:08] <audio> does the new gnome not support transparency or what?
[21:09] <lordievader> lee98632: For paste.ubuntu.com you shouldn't have to register...
[21:09] <lee98632> eh I am in Kubuntu
[21:09] <johnjohn101> getting close to release party time.. few weeks away
[21:10] <lee98632> ok I go it up, ok so how do I do the mount point thing?
[21:11] <lordievader> lee98632: I'm in Kubuntu too ;) Did you pastebin the output of mount?
[21:11] <lee98632> not yet trying to figure out the mount point
[21:13] <lordievader> lee98632: We are getting to that, just paste the output of mount ;)
[21:13] <lordievader> Or are you struggeling with the command mount?
[21:14] <lee98632> ok posted it , I hope that is correct
[21:14] <lee98632> eh Do I need to paste the link here?
[21:14] <lordievader> lee98632: Yes, please.
[21:14] <lee98632> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5690560/
[21:15] <lee98632> I took the folder and stuck it in terminal and that is what terminal said
[21:15] <lordievader> lee98632: I have a feeling that is not the entire output of "mount"...
[21:15] <lee98632> hmm ok , so how do I get the entire mount entry?
[21:16] <lordievader> lee98632: Ah, no in the terminal you type "mount" and hit enter, what you get back is what I want to know ;)
[21:16] <lee98632> ah ok
[21:17] <lee98632> ahh that is better mr terminal liked that lol
[21:17] <lee98632> ok retry that
[21:19] <lee98632> eh how do I add to that paste bin or was it a one shot deal?
[21:19] <lordievader> Go back to http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[21:21] <lee98632> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5690593/
[21:21] <lee98632> erk did that and I have a well baby appointment at 3:00
[21:21] <lee98632> PST
[21:24] <lordievader> I'm almost going to bed ;). Anyhow your sd card is probably mounted to /media/disk. Does the output of "ls /media/disk" (<-- terminal command again) seem familliar?
[21:24] <lordievader> Hehe I have a VM running here with hostname R2D2 :)
[21:24] <lee98632> LOL
[21:24] <lee98632> Yeah the mounted cam is my Sony HD and my Phone
[21:24] <lee98632> my Phon is my modoem
[21:26] <lee98632> ok i have to go, offline...what a bad time to try and start this lol
[21:26] <lee98632> get some rest
[21:26] <lee98632> ]logginig
[21:27] <lordievader> lee98632: Oh well, my advice is to check to see if it works in the terminal, if it does. Report this in #kubuntu-devel.
[21:32] <santagada> how can I debug my unity that isn't starting... it stops after changing the background picture
[21:33] <santagada> gnome fallback is working fine
[21:35] <santagada> compiz seems to be working fine also
[21:36] <santagada> no one can help?
[21:37] <wilee-nilee> santagada, You have left out pertinent details such as the upgrade to this release and what led you to this problem for example.
[21:38] <wilee-nilee> !details
[21:38] <ubottu> Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..."
[21:38] <santagada> wilee-nilee: I upgraded it using update-manager -d and then ran aptitude safe-upgrade after because it was not wanting to install new stuff
[21:39] <santagada> then I had a problem with nvidia drivers
[21:39] <santagada> now I'm using nvidia 313
[21:39] <wilee-nilee> santagada, Not to me but the channel, I was just commenting. ;)
[21:39] <santagada> wilee-nilee: ok
[21:39] <santagada> I'm running 13.04 now
[21:40] <santagada> and was using unity before on 12.10
[21:40] <santagada> that I think sums it up
[21:40] <santagada> wilee-nilee: its pretty complete now
[21:43] <wilee-nilee> santagada, The general consensus on running a development don't do it unless you can fix it, and don't run it as a main OS. You upgraded in spite of having errors to a beta, personally I would never upgrade a distro there are easy ways to have all you had in the original in a fresh install.
[21:44] <wilee-nilee> I hope you get it fixed, but you have followed a path not built on logic
[21:48] <santagada> wilee-nilee: well there is a button to update the os, why the hell would I not trust it? Also I want to fix it I just don't know where to start
[21:49] <santagada> wilee-nilee: betas are for people to use, if they didn't want it to be run by people it should not be called a beta
[21:49] <santagada> fuck it
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[22:16] <phunyguy> So I have a question, I am up to date on 13.04 thus far, but I am getting facebook notifications, and since Gwibber has been purged, I have no idea what they are coming from.....
[22:16] <phunyguy> funny thing is, every time I sign in, it is the same few (old) updates that are popping up.  They are a week or two old.
[22:17] <phunyguy> I also don't have the facebook unity plugin installed (that I know of)
[22:17] <phunyguy> I disabled integration prompting for all websites.
[22:19] <quem> neither banshee nor rhythmbox work for me.. any ideas?
[22:20] <quem> the programs launch and everything.. but i can't play any songs.
[22:21] <|Slacker|> have you checked sound config?
[22:25] <|Slacker|> my 13.04 plays sounds normally
[22:25] <quem> sound works fine in browser, and with mplayer
[22:25] <quem> works fine in audacious too
[22:26]  * quem is dumbfounded
[22:34] <|Slacker|> well...I have 13.04 in a vm here and I've just played some music on rhythmbox
[22:34] <|Slacker|> is you system up to date?
[22:53] <sevenhill> I'm getting Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 3.8.0-17-generic (x86_64) after lastest linux-image update
[23:17] <quem> |Slacker|: yes, it is
[23:34] <Alin`> hai
[23:34] <Alin`> o/
[23:35] <Alin`> when is out ubuntu 13.04
[23:35] <Alin`> ?
[23:35] <Alin`> can you tell me
[23:35] <Alin`> i love ubuntu
[23:36] <audio> i thought gnome 3.8 was suppose to be highly customizable?
[23:46] <|Slacker|> Alin`, april 28 I guess
[23:48] <Alin`> Thank you