| thumper | he says that without secure-boot, windows won't boot | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| thumper | RAOF: only when trying to install I think | 00:00 |
| * thumper recalls conversation | 00:00 | |
| thumper | the live DVD works if no secure boot and bios in legacy mode | 00:00 |
| thumper | but he can't use or see win 8 in that mode | 00:00 |
| RAOF | But no Windows in that mode. | 00:00 |
| thumper | and the docs on UEFI say that both OSes need to be in the same mode | 00:01 |
| thumper | so he was trying to install ubuntu with secure-boot | 00:01 |
| thumper | and I think this is what is screwing him over | 00:01 |
| popey | thumper: basically, yes, I've never had success with ATI (others have) so i avoid them always. | 00:01 |
| thumper | gah, no you tell me | 00:02 |
| thumper | I have ubuntu running on another laptop at home with an ati card | 00:02 |
| thumper | but it is mostly running win 7 for the girls | 00:02 |
| popey | also this whole secure boot stuff is new uncharted territory for me ⍨ | 00:02 |
| thumper | I used it for some upgrade testing at one stage | 00:02 |
| thumper | RAOF: If you want to chat with him on irc, I could poke him and get him online | 00:06 |
| thumper | RAOF: saves going through a third person | 00:06 |
| RAOF | I have no problem with ATI cards. I also have no familiarity with secure boot :/ | 00:07 |
| thumper | who knows about secure boot? | 00:08 |
| popey | mjg59 ☺ | 00:09 |
| RAOF | slangasek | 00:10 |
| RAOF | Colin (of course) | 00:10 |
| thumper | hmm... neither of them are around right now... (I guess) | 00:12 |
| * thumper fires up an email off to them | 00:13 | |
| robert_ancell | thumper, in that lightdm log you attached, you couldn't see a login screen at all? It shows you doing a lot of switching users and failing to log int | 03:09 |
| robert_ancell | thumper, also are you aware you have an 'oem' user that tries and fails to autologin? | 03:09 |
| thumper | robert_ancell: no login screen at all, but an obviously active X as there is a mouse cursor, the mouse cursor persists into tty1 as well | 03:17 |
| thumper | robert_ancell: no didn't know about the oem user | 03:17 |
| thumper | robert_ancell: blank screen apart from the cursor | 03:17 |
| robert_ancell | thumper, oh, sounds like an X bug then.. | 03:17 |
| duflu | thumper: There was a mir bug that prevented lightdm from starting at all. It got fixed in the PPA over the weekend... if you can get the update | 03:19 |
| thumper | duflu: would that show the same symptoms? | 03:19 |
| duflu | thumper: Yeah no login screen | 03:19 |
| thumper | duflu: hmm... I'm prepared to wait... been screwed over too many times with ppas | 03:20 |
| duflu | Though I have seen similar happen during the raring cycle even without any PPAs | 03:20 |
| thumper | especially beta ones | 03:20 |
| duflu | thumper: Yeah I've seen the login screen go AWOL a few times since about Jan. That's plain old raring | 03:20 |
| robert_ancell | duflu, he's not using Mir | 03:46 |
| duflu | robert_ancell: Yeah I've seen it happen with plain old raring too :P | 03:46 |
| duflu | robert_ancell: In fact with gpm installed, you can end up with just a VT console and two mouse pointers (one gpm and one graphical) | 03:47 |
| pitti | Good morning | 06:08 |
| didrocks | salut pitti, ça va? | 06:08 |
| pitti | didrocks: je vais très bien, merci! | 06:08 |
| pitti | le week-end était encore froid, alors nous avons vu des films et joué au badminton | 06:09 |
| pitti | "Les Misérables" et "Sightseers" | 06:10 |
| didrocks | quelle version des Misérables? | 06:11 |
| didrocks | il y en a eu plein :) | 06:11 |
| pitti | le nouveau, de 2012 | 06:11 |
| pitti | http://www.lesmiserablesfilm.com/ | 06:12 |
| didrocks | ah, je ne savais même pas qu'il y avait une nouvelle version | 06:12 |
| didrocks | c'était bien? | 06:13 |
| pitti | oui, mais un peu longue | 06:13 |
| pitti | la musique était super | 06:14 |
| pitti | je n'ai lu le livre jamais | 06:14 |
| didrocks | le livre est très long :) | 06:16 |
| pitti | didrocks: où je dois mettre le mot "jamais" ? | 06:38 |
| pitti | "je jamais n'ai lu...", "je ne jamais ai lu...", "je n'ai jamais lu" | 06:38 |
| jibel | good morning | 06:45 |
| didrocks | je n'ai jamais lu le livre | 06:55 |
| didrocks | (désolé, j'avais pas vu ton ping) | 06:55 |
| didrocks | salut jibel! | 06:55 |
| pitti | didrocks: merci ! | 06:56 |
| pitti | didrocks: "je n'ai pas jamais lu"? (forgot the "pas") | 06:56 |
| * pitti crawling back out of a kernel oops hole | 06:57 | |
| didrocks | pitti: no "pas", "jamais" replace it ;) | 06:57 |
| pitti | didrocks: ah, merci | 06:57 |
| didrocks | de rien :) | 06:57 |
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| popey | didrocks: I get compiz (core) - Debug: dlopen failed: /usr/lib/libunity-core-6.0.so.5: undefined symbol: unity_protocol_music_preview_pause_uri | 08:04 |
| popey | on my laptop, so can't use unity right now | 08:04 |
| popey | sam suggested it's an ABI break | 08:04 |
| didrocks | popey: is this file installed for you? | 08:04 |
| Laney | gooood morning! | 08:04 |
| didrocks | popey: any ppa? I'm on the latest distro version and I don't have any issue | 08:05 |
| didrocks | hey Laney | 08:05 |
| popey | alan@deep-thought:~$ ls -l libunity-core-6.0.so.5.0.0 | 08:05 |
| didrocks | Laney: good holidays? | 08:05 |
| popey | bah, sorry | 08:05 |
| Laney | didrocks: very nice thank you, lots of snow and walking and beer :-) | 08:05 |
| didrocks | :) | 08:05 |
| didrocks | U unity_protocol_music_preview_pause_uri | 08:06 |
| * Laney tries to find out what he missed while away | 08:06 | |
| didrocks | popey: check that you have latest libunity and unity, and that they both comes from distro | 08:06 |
| didrocks | Laney: enjoy catching up! :) | 08:06 |
| popey | Installed: 7.0.0daily13.04.05.2-0ubuntu1 | 08:06 |
| popey | Installed: 7.0.0daily13.04.05.2-0ubuntu1 | 08:07 |
| popey | thats unity and libunity | 08:07 |
| popey | both from distro | 08:07 |
| popey | I've seen others report this over the weekend too | 08:07 |
| didrocks | not possible | 08:07 |
| didrocks | 7.0.0daily13.04.05.2-0ubuntu1 doesn't exist for libunity | 08:07 |
| popey | libunity-core-6.0-5: sorry | 08:07 |
| seb128 | hey desktopers | 08:07 |
| popey | N: Unable to locate package libunity | 08:07 |
| didrocks | popey: libunity9 | 08:07 |
| didrocks | salut seb128 | 08:07 |
| popey | Installed: 6.91.9daily13.04.05ubuntu.unity.experimental.certified-0ubuntu1 | 08:08 |
| popey | gah! | 08:08 |
| popey | morning seb128 | 08:08 |
| popey | (the gah not aimed at you seb) :D | 08:08 |
| seb128 | hehe | 08:08 |
| Laney | wee, maliit accepted into debian | 08:08 |
| * popey downgrades | 08:08 | |
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| Laney | Quintasan: ^^^^ :D | 08:12 |
| Laney | it's an old version because I didn't want to keep uploading when it was already in NEW, but there you go | 08:12 |
| popey | didrocks: downgraded libunity9 but compiz is still crashing with the same error message | 08:16 |
| didrocks | popey: check your components, as it's reproduceable, I would have expect seeing that missing symbol in all install | 08:17 |
| didrocks | popey: which didn't occur in the french forum nor here in my normal or guest session | 08:17 |
| didrocks | popey: look at the indicators and so on | 08:17 |
| seb128 | popey, dpkg -l | grep experimental.certified | 08:21 |
| popey | yeah, just did that and found a couple more, thanks | 08:21 |
| popey | unity-scopes-runner, libunity-protocol-private0... | 08:21 |
| didrocks | popey: did you run ppa-purge to remove the 100scopes ppa? | 08:21 |
| popey | yes, after unity stopped working | 08:22 |
| popey | \o/ unity desktop | 08:22 |
| popey | phew. felt icky using gnome shell for a couple of days ㋛ | 08:23 |
| popey | thanks guys | 08:23 |
| didrocks | :) | 08:23 |
| didrocks | yw | 08:23 |
| xnox | Wow, I just got 6 months or so backlog of tweets =) | 08:34 |
| xnox | yet gwibber is not in my messaging menu, just the bubbled. | 08:35 |
| * xnox is confused | 08:35 | |
| xnox | Oh, it's a scope | 08:35 |
| popey | https://launchpad.net/bugs/1166052 possibly? | 08:35 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1166052 in friends-app "notifies on startup of every tweet ever directed at you" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 08:35 |
| popey | I got it too with facebook notifications | 08:35 |
| BigWhale | popey, that's good, so you delete those damn DM's. :> | 08:46 |
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| chrisccoulson | oh, did pitti feed the "sudo is superior everything in the world even though i don't understand it" troll? ;) | 10:57 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: sorry.. | 11:00 |
| chrisccoulson | heh | 11:00 |
| chrisccoulson | how are you pitti? | 11:00 |
| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson pitti | 11:01 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: quite fine, thanks! | 11:01 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128 | 11:01 |
| chrisccoulson | hey seb128, did you have a good weekend? | 11:01 |
| pitti | "hungry" :) just grabbed some lunch, bbl | 11:01 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, quite good, it was even sunny yesterday ;-) | 11:01 |
| seb128 | back to 5°C and clouds today though :-( | 11:01 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, you? | 11:01 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, yeah, i actually left our house on saturday without wearing a jacket | 11:01 |
| chrisccoulson | but it's going to get colder here again this week | 11:01 |
| chrisccoulson | other than that, my weekend was ok. although, jo is back at work now, and she worked over the weekend | 11:02 |
| Laney | i got carried away on my bike thanks to the sun and accidently rode 40 miles | 11:03 |
| Laney | realised too late that i have to ride all the way back too ... | 11:03 |
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| chrisccoulson | lol | 11:03 |
| chrisccoulson | that's crazy! | 11:03 |
| Laney | was swearing at every tiny hill by the end | 11:03 |
| chrisccoulson | heh | 11:04 |
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| dpm | hey desktop folk, could anyone give me a hand or some tips on how to fix my display? This morning I rebooted my raring laptop (with nvidia), and now unity won't start. If I run it from the command line it tells me "extension 'GLX' missing on display '0:0'" | 11:39 |
| seb128 | dpm, hey, what did you change/install/upgrade before getting the issue | 11:43 |
| dpm | seb128, unfortunately, I can't remember last time I did a dist-upgrade, so I guess it's my fault :/ In any case, the machine was up to date up until this morning | 11:44 |
| seb128 | dpm, can you copy your /var/log/dpkg.log somewhere? | 11:44 |
| seb128 | dpm, when did you last reboot before that? | 11:45 |
| dpm | seb128, yeah, let me try. I haven't rebooted in a few days, I generally suspend. But after the latest updates a few things were not working so I decided to reboot his morning | 11:45 |
| seb128 | dpm, can you copy your Xorg.0.log somewhere as well? | 11:46 |
| dpm | seb128, here's the /var/log/dpkg.log/ -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5689161/ (I've just replaced nvidia-experimental-* by nvidia-current, I've been running experimental without trouble for months, but just in case). Xorg log coming in a minute | 11:48 |
| dpm | seb128, Xorg.0.log -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5689171/ | 11:49 |
| dpm | also not sure if it's related, but for some reason the laptop won't reboot, it just drops to a root prompt | 11:51 |
| seb128 | dpm, nvidia fails to load | 11:51 |
| seb128 | urg | 11:51 |
| seb128 | [ 15.154] (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. Please check your | 11:52 |
| seb128 | [ 15.154] (EE) NVIDIA: system's kernel log for additional error messages. | 11:52 |
| dpm | trying to reboot with nvidia-current now | 11:52 |
| Laney | let's see /var/log/apt/term.log too | 11:52 |
| Laney | also try booting on an older kernel | 11:53 |
| dpm | yeah, I had thought of that, but I didn't have any older one | 11:53 |
| dpm | man, this is getting worse. Rebooted and now /boot fails to mount :/ | 11:54 |
| dpm | it seems I could boot up nevertheless | 11:55 |
| dpm | but without network now | 11:55 |
| Quintasan | Laney: \o/ | 12:03 |
| dpm | any ideas anyone about "mountall: could not mount filesystem: /boot"? | 12:07 |
| Sweetshark | bdrung, seb128: see http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/libreoffice4/libreoffice_4.0.2-0ubuntu1.dsc -- also pushed to alioth | 12:08 |
| Sweetshark | fwiw, still building locally | 12:08 |
| seb128 | dpm, try asking on #ubuntu-devel rather maybe | 12:11 |
| dpm | ok, thanks seb128 | 12:12 |
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| bdrung | Sweetshark: we need this commit: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git;a=commitdiff;h=20bd07fe41abdfa5a3ec407fb3c95699c54d2843 | 12:23 |
| Sweetshark | bdrung: eek indeed. | 12:26 |
| Sweetshark | bdrung: and not only that ... | 12:27 |
| bdrung | what else? | 12:27 |
| BigWhale | Greetings everyone. | 12:27 |
| cyphermox | good morning! | 12:28 |
| Sweetshark | bdrung: ah, excuse me, I saw only the control change. I thought the rules change was missing, but it isnt. | 12:28 |
| pitti | hey cyphermox, good morning | 12:36 |
| cyphermox | hey pitti | 12:36 |
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| Sweetshark | bdrung: updated | 12:49 |
| bdrung | thanks | 12:50 |
| bdrung | Sweetshark: we have to revert the "ttf-indic-fonts -> fonts-indic" change. fonts-indic is not available yet | 12:55 |
| didrocks | dpm: hey! welcome back :) | 12:57 |
| dpm | hey didrocks, thanks! :-) | 12:57 |
| dpm | a pity that I came back to a broken laptop :/ | 12:57 |
| didrocks | yep, I read that :/ | 12:57 |
| didrocks | dpm: not sure if Mirv told you about it already, but the developer guide is quite outdated with latest sdk: bug #1158246 | 12:57 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1158246 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Tutorial code needs to be updated to use the latest UITK version" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1158246 | 12:57 |
| didrocks | dpm: not sure if it's you or mhall119 who will fix it (I see that Michael assigned it to himself) | 12:58 |
| dpm | didrocks, hm, I asked mhall119 to update it while I was away | 12:58 |
| dpm | mhall119, could you look into it? | 12:58 |
| didrocks | thanks ;) | 12:58 |
| didrocks | jasoncwarner_: FYI ^ | 12:58 |
| dpm | didrocks, thanks for the heads up. We should include the tutorial code in the SDK itself, so that it passes tests too | 12:59 |
| didrocks | dpm: that's what I proposed a while ago ;) | 12:59 |
| Sweetshark | bdrung: please tell me when you are ready with the review, so I can batch apply the remaining changes. | 12:59 |
| pitti | cyphermox: https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/network-manager/more-tests/+merge/157644 :) | 13:01 |
| pitti | cyphermox: note that I get "testDnsmasqRunning (__main__.TestDnsmasq) ... FAIL", but I didn't touch taht | 13:01 |
| pitti | "that" | 13:01 |
| bdrung | Sweetshark: okay. i am not finished. libreoffice-common doesn't suggest libreoffice-style-human any more. was that intentional? | 13:03 |
| bdrung | Sweetshark: a question: libreoffice-emailmerge moved into libreoffice-common? | 13:07 |
| cyphermox | pitti: yeah, I meant to disable, it, it's borken | 13:08 |
| pitti | cyphermox: I get the same error when running the raring package's tests, so I'm fairly sure it's not due to the new tests | 13:09 |
| cyphermox | pitti: no, I know | 13:09 |
| cyphermox | there's an issue with how the devices are configured in the VM, NM never manages them I think | 13:09 |
| pitti | cyphermox: I'll add some more tests in the future, and also some for NM itself, btw; but we either need a fixed mac80211_hwsim module (I sent the fix to the upstream MLs this morning), or a workaround in NM | 13:09 |
| bdrung | Sweetshark: the change "ttf-devanagari-fonts -> fonts-deva" needs to be reverted, too | 13:10 |
| pitti | cyphermox: yeah, those are cloud images, I suppose they use /e/n/interfaces for eth0 | 13:10 |
| pitti | cyphermox: anyway, comments appreciated (in the MP) | 13:10 |
| pitti | cyphermox: I'll head out for some running, back in ~ 45 min | 13:11 |
| cyphermox | ok | 13:11 |
| cyphermox | pitti: but for /e/n/i I explicitly run ifblacklist, but it didn't seem to wokr | 13:11 |
| bdrung | Sweetshark: screw my libreoffice-emailmerge question. | 13:14 |
| bdrung | Sweetshark: i am done with reviewing the debian/ diff | 13:34 |
| dobey | dpm: hey, can you moderate my mail to ubuntu-translators through? | 13:36 |
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| seb128 | pitti, hum, that ubuntu-system-services is_package_system_locked() is annoying | 13:48 |
| seb128 | pitti, update-notifier runs as a normal user and that doesn't have the read access to the apt/dpkg lock files to get the info | 13:49 |
| dpm | dobey, sure, give me 5 mins | 13:58 |
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| pitti | seb128: oh, isn't it enough to check for their mere presence? | 14:10 |
| seb128 | pitti, I don't think so, /var/cache/apt/archives/lock or /var/lib/apt/lists/lock are present and quite old on my install | 14:11 |
| seb128 | pitti, seems like the files stay, the write locks come and go | 14:11 |
| pitti | OIC | 14:11 |
| seb128 | pitti, we should add it to kitchensink^Wsystemd :p | 14:12 |
| pitti | I guess we might need a little suid root helper in apt then | 14:13 |
| seb128 | :-( | 14:13 |
| pitti | suid root, or pkexec | 14:14 |
| pitti | (the latter might be easier) | 14:14 |
| seb128 | pitti, can't we just add it to an existing service? I was half joking with systemd | 14:15 |
| pitti | systemd isn't about package management | 14:16 |
| pitti | I think it would fit in aptd as a D-BUS interface | 14:16 |
| pitti | or into the apt package as a pkexec/suid helper | 14:16 |
| seb128 | well, you pointed that aptd is heavy to start | 14:16 |
| seb128 | and that we don't want to do that only to read a lock | 14:16 |
| pitti | yes, hence my proposal of a pkexec helper | 14:16 |
| pitti | I actually wonder whether we can just call "pidof apt-get || pidof dpkg" | 14:17 |
| * seb128 summons mvo | 14:17 | |
| seb128 | pitti, let's check with mvo when he's around | 14:18 |
| Laney | pgrep? | 14:18 |
| pitti | apt-get doesn't work, as python-apt just spawns /usr/lib/apt/methods/http directly | 14:18 |
| pitti | but even if we keep the "check locks" approach, that shouldn't be much more than pkexec'ing a series of fuser <lockfile> calls | 14:19 |
| pitti | (or whatever system-service currently does to check the locks) | 14:19 |
| seb128 | pitti, system-services call fcntl() basically | 14:29 |
| seb128 | pitti, so you would go the "write a small piece of code doing the check, ship it as a standalone binary, call it through pkexec"? | 14:30 |
| seb128 | pitti, it's the pkexec bit that annoys me most there, that's not really an user problem, we shouldn't have something that might trigger an user prompt | 14:30 |
| pitti | seb128: that won't | 14:32 |
| seb128 | pitti, assuming that the right permissions are shipped with it and that the user is in the right group? | 14:33 |
| pitti | seb128: no, we can write a .policy to allow running that helper as a local user | 14:34 |
| pitti | seb128: (sorry, OTP) | 14:34 |
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| seb128 | pitti, right, it just feels like the wrong hammer, but maybe it's not ;-) | 14:35 |
| pitti | seb128: what feels wrong to you? it's not much different than calling a dbus method that is checked through polkit | 14:42 |
| seb128 | pitti, it feels "heavier" than it should, it should be a simple call, not running a command through extra acl layers | 14:44 |
| seb128 | pitti, but well, that's just a "feel", no practical issue | 14:44 |
| seb128 | pitti, do you think we should ship the helper with update-notifier or somewhere else? | 14:45 |
| seb128 | pitti, I will write the small piece of code to check the lock, then we can decide where to put it | 14:46 |
| * seb128 is away for ~45min, bbiab | 14:48 | |
| pitti | hm, Telekom technician trying to debug my landline, as clueless as I | 14:48 |
| pitti | seb128: it's much less heavy than d-bus activating a python service :) | 14:49 |
| pitti | seb128: as for the code, a three-line shell script should be enough (fuser shows whether a program has that lock file open) | 14:49 |
| bdrung | Sweetshark: you can reduce the diff to Debian by http://paste.debian.net/248256/ and "libreoffice-emailmerge (<< 1:4.0.2~rc2) -> libreoffice-emailmerge (<< 1:4.0.2~rc1)" | 14:57 |
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| seb128 | pitti, @fuser: k, I was just trying to spare spawning a shell, but that's not likely to make a noticable difference ... let's go for the easy way | 15:50 |
| seb128 | pitti, do you want to have a go at it or should I look at that tomorrow and ping you for review? | 15:51 |
| pitti | re (sorry, router/network trouble) | 15:53 |
| pitti | seb128: sorry, need to run for today; can we talk tomorrow? | 15:54 |
| pitti | but at least my landline is fixed now | 15:54 |
| seb128 | pitti, sure, have fun! | 15:55 |
| seb128 | pitti, see you tomorrow | 15:55 |
| cyphermox | oh | 16:07 |
| Laney | jhodapp: Just uploaded the rest of 1.0.6 - should hopefully be accepted and available in a few hours | 16:36 |
| jhodapp | Laney, nice! that would be for quantal or just for raring? | 16:36 |
| Laney | just raring | 16:36 |
| jhodapp | Laney, is that compiled for ARM as well? | 16:36 |
| jhodapp | armhf | 16:36 |
| Laney | yes, all arches | 16:36 |
| Laney | it's a distro package | 16:37 |
| jhodapp | Laney, you rock! thank you very much | 16:37 |
| Laney | no worries | 16:37 |
| didrocks | kenvandine: robru: mterry: cyphermox: hey, are we on the right track for having all touch apps into the ppa for the end of next week? I think we'll need to target that date to have an iso by the end of the month based on the ppa | 16:37 |
| cyphermox | didrocks: seems feasible yeah | 16:38 |
| didrocks | cyphermox: nice progress on hud and libhud-qt! :-) | 16:38 |
| didrocks | cyphermox: let's hope we can have hud dekstopey-mobiley tomorrow! ;) | 16:38 |
| cyphermox | progress is discussable. | 16:38 |
| cyphermox | yeah | 16:38 |
| cyphermox | that would be rockin' | 16:38 |
| didrocks | cyphermox: hud and libhud-qt will unblock a lot of other components ;) | 16:39 |
| cyphermox | yeah | 16:41 |
| seb128 | jbicha, hey | 16:47 |
| jbicha | seb128: hi | 16:48 |
| seb128 | jbicha, I overwrote your recent g-c-c commit with a --overwrite in the vcs for info | 16:48 |
| seb128 | jbicha, please don't commit stuff that are not ready to go into distro | 16:48 |
| seb128 | jbicha, I spent 15 min trying to roll that out, put what I needed to upload, tag and put your stuff back on top ... and finished by screwing the vcs | 16:48 |
| jbicha | seb128: it *is* ready to go into the distro, it's just not as useful without bug 1162478 being handled first | 16:48 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1162478 in libnss-myhostname (Ubuntu) "[FFe] [MIR] libnss-myhostname" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1162478 | 16:48 |
| seb128 | jbicha, I just dropped your commit and overwrote with what I uploaded | 16:48 |
| seb128 | jbicha, hum, I took your "Without /etc/hosts being handled correctly, the hostnamed integration is only half-working which is why I didn't upload" on bug #1162475 as "we should only put that in if the FFe is approved" | 16:50 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1162475 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Changing hostname doesn't update /etc/hosts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1162475 | 16:50 |
| seb128 | jbicha, better to have a feature missing than have it broken (which leads to frustrated users) | 16:50 |
| jbicha | right, it's only half the fix but it's easier to tell people to install one package than to also install a file in a hidden root directory | 16:50 |
| jbicha | I can update the changelog entry so it's more clear that it's an incomplete fix | 16:51 |
| seb128 | well, does the half fix change the UI in a way that could make users believe it's working when it's not ? | 16:51 |
| jbicha | no, the UI is just as broken as it has been for quite a while | 16:51 |
| seb128 | jbicha, well, you wrote "which is why I didn't upload", which sort of implied you didn't want to upload | 16:52 |
| seb128 | sorry about the misunderstanding | 16:52 |
| jbicha | seb128: oh I was misremembering, you're right, we don't want that upload now | 16:53 |
| seb128 | lol | 16:53 |
| seb128 | your call | 16:53 |
| seb128 | I guess you can add to the vcs with the line commented in the .install | 16:53 |
| jbicha | it will allow people to change their hostname but it won't take care of /etc/hosts which is bad | 16:53 |
| jbicha | yeah I should have dropped the change while we wait for the mir | 16:54 |
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| mterry | cyphermox, got some time today to do several tiny reviews? (bootstrap stuff for daily-release and such) | 17:17 |
| * didrocks waves good evening | 17:18 | |
| mterry | didrocks, byed | 17:18 |
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| mterry | kenvandine or robru: do either of you have some time to review some tiny branches for daily-landing stuff? Will review in exchange :) | 17:27 |
| * mterry goes afk for a bit | 17:29 | |
| kenvandine | mterry, sure | 17:29 |
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| cyphermox | mterry: yeah! shoot | 18:20 |
| cyphermox | sorry, I was grabbing food, late lunch ;) | 18:20 |
| mterry | cyphermox, no worries, I bugged kenvandine to do it | 18:21 |
| cyphermox | any others? | 18:26 |
| mterry | cyphermox, not right now | 18:30 |
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| mterry | Does anyone here know much about egl and why our current Qt5 package explicitly disables it for non-arm arches? | 19:30 |
| mterry | (I thought it was a subset of GL) | 19:31 |
| seb128 | mterry, because we use gl and not gles on other archs? | 19:31 |
| mterry | seb128, gles is a subset right? | 19:31 |
| seb128 | well, dunno how qt is | 19:31 |
| seb128 | but can you enable full gl and gles together? | 19:31 |
| seb128 | or is that an one or the other? | 19:31 |
| seb128 | usually it tends to be gl or gles | 19:32 |
| seb128 | e.g full set or subset | 19:32 |
| mterry | seb128, yeah... the rules file for qt5 does either "-opengl desktop" or "-opengl es2" | 19:32 |
| mterry | seb128, but then for non-arm it goes the extra step of saying -no-egl | 19:33 |
| mterry | Which makes some symbols not appear in libraries and it seems to be making it tough to abstract whether egl is being used or not | 19:33 |
| seb128 | hum, k, sorry I don't know about qt specifically | 19:33 |
| seb128 | try asking Mirv maybe? | 19:33 |
| mterry | jhodapp, can I ask you some questions about qtubuntu? | 19:35 |
| mterry | Specifically, it's egl support? | 19:35 |
| jhodapp | mterry, sure, I'll answer what I can | 19:35 |
| mterry | jhodapp, so I believe the plan of record was to allow building qtubuntu on all arches. But egl support is only built in Qt5 for arm. There are egl-specific bits in qtubuntu. Is that supposed to be abstracted away at qtubuntu level or the qt5 level? | 19:36 |
| robru | seb128, when you get a sec can you try friends-app again? I was getting similar errors for fb before, but it's working for me now... no code changes | 19:37 |
| mterry | jhodapp, (I'm only asking you because you were in the bzr log, if there's someone else better to bother, let me know) | 19:37 |
| jhodapp | mterry, my understanding is that's supposed to be abstracted by the AAL layer (Ubuntu Platform API basically) | 19:37 |
| jhodapp | mterry, and at a package level, the mesa gl, gles, etc packages provide this abstraction | 19:38 |
| mterry | jhodapp, so QUbuntuBaseContext and QUbuntuBaseScreen both have public API referencing egl structures | 19:39 |
| mterry | jhodapp, I guess they shouldn't? | 19:39 |
| jhodapp | mterry, they should...probably the best person to ask would be tvoss | 19:40 |
| mterry | jhodapp, OK, thanks | 19:40 |
| jhodapp | mterry, tvoss is architecting that | 19:40 |
| mterry | jhodapp, alright, he's eating dinner now I guess. I'll email him. Thanks+! | 19:41 |
| jhodapp | np | 19:41 |
| seb128 | robru, will do (I'm on a quantal machine atm so a bit later) | 19:43 |
| robru | seb128, ok, no worries. still trying to figure out if it's a server issue or if there's something we're doing wrong | 19:44 |
| seb128 | robru, btw about the meeting, I got your email, it's going to be 3:30pm utc tomorrow again but we will discuss the time at the end of the meeting | 19:44 |
| seb128 | robru, the issue but shifting later is that it starts overlapping with europe eod/dinner time | 19:45 |
| seb128 | robru, we might settle on 4pm though | 19:45 |
| mterry | jhodapp, seb128: ah, ok... non-arm packages do have egl libraries/headers available. So it does seem like qt5 should expose the symbols that qtubuntu needs. Will look down that path for the nonce | 19:47 |
| mterry | non-arm platforms I meant | 19:47 |
| seb128 | mterry, seems a bit weird, but maybe they are doing something smart with it ;-) | 19:48 |
| czajkowski | evening folks | 20:58 |
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