[00:00] he says that without secure-boot, windows won't boot [00:00] RAOF: only when trying to install I think [00:00] * thumper recalls conversation [00:00] the live DVD works if no secure boot and bios in legacy mode [00:00] but he can't use or see win 8 in that mode [00:00] But no Windows in that mode. [00:01] and the docs on UEFI say that both OSes need to be in the same mode [00:01] so he was trying to install ubuntu with secure-boot [00:01] and I think this is what is screwing him over [00:01] thumper: basically, yes, I've never had success with ATI (others have) so i avoid them always. [00:02] gah, no you tell me [00:02] I have ubuntu running on another laptop at home with an ati card [00:02] but it is mostly running win 7 for the girls [00:02] also this whole secure boot stuff is new uncharted territory for me ⍨ [00:02] I used it for some upgrade testing at one stage [00:06] RAOF: If you want to chat with him on irc, I could poke him and get him online [00:06] RAOF: saves going through a third person [00:07] I have no problem with ATI cards. I also have no familiarity with secure boot :/ [00:08] who knows about secure boot? [00:09] mjg59 ☺ [00:10] slangasek [00:10] Colin (of course) [00:12] hmm... neither of them are around right now... (I guess) [00:13] * thumper fires up an email off to them [03:09] thumper, in that lightdm log you attached, you couldn't see a login screen at all? It shows you doing a lot of switching users and failing to log int [03:09] thumper, also are you aware you have an 'oem' user that tries and fails to autologin? [03:17] robert_ancell: no login screen at all, but an obviously active X as there is a mouse cursor, the mouse cursor persists into tty1 as well [03:17] robert_ancell: no didn't know about the oem user [03:17] robert_ancell: blank screen apart from the cursor [03:17] thumper, oh, sounds like an X bug then.. [03:19] thumper: There was a mir bug that prevented lightdm from starting at all. It got fixed in the PPA over the weekend... if you can get the update [03:19] duflu: would that show the same symptoms? [03:19] thumper: Yeah no login screen [03:20] duflu: hmm... I'm prepared to wait... been screwed over too many times with ppas [03:20] Though I have seen similar happen during the raring cycle even without any PPAs [03:20] especially beta ones [03:20] thumper: Yeah I've seen the login screen go AWOL a few times since about Jan. That's plain old raring [03:46] duflu, he's not using Mir [03:46] robert_ancell: Yeah I've seen it happen with plain old raring too :P [03:47] robert_ancell: In fact with gpm installed, you can end up with just a VT console and two mouse pointers (one gpm and one graphical) [06:08] Good morning [06:08] salut pitti, ça va? [06:08] didrocks: je vais très bien, merci! [06:09] le week-end était encore froid, alors nous avons vu des films et joué au badminton [06:10] "Les Misérables" et "Sightseers" [06:11] quelle version des Misérables? [06:11] il y en a eu plein :) [06:11] le nouveau, de 2012 [06:12] http://www.lesmiserablesfilm.com/ [06:12] ah, je ne savais même pas qu'il y avait une nouvelle version [06:13] c'était bien? [06:13] oui, mais un peu longue [06:14] la musique était super [06:14] je n'ai lu le livre jamais [06:16] le livre est très long :) [06:38] didrocks: où je dois mettre le mot "jamais" ? [06:38] "je jamais n'ai lu...", "je ne jamais ai lu...", "je n'ai jamais lu" [06:45] good morning [06:55] je n'ai jamais lu le livre [06:55] (désolé, j'avais pas vu ton ping) [06:55] salut jibel! [06:56] didrocks: merci ! [06:56] didrocks: "je n'ai pas jamais lu"? (forgot the "pas") [06:57] * pitti crawling back out of a kernel oops hole [06:57] pitti: no "pas", "jamais" replace it ;) [06:57] didrocks: ah, merci [06:57] de rien :) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [08:04] didrocks: I get compiz (core) - Debug: dlopen failed: /usr/lib/libunity-core-6.0.so.5: undefined symbol: unity_protocol_music_preview_pause_uri [08:04] on my laptop, so can't use unity right now [08:04] sam suggested it's an ABI break [08:04] popey: is this file installed for you? [08:04] gooood morning! [08:05] popey: any ppa? I'm on the latest distro version and I don't have any issue [08:05] hey Laney [08:05] alan@deep-thought:~$ ls -l libunity-core-6.0.so.5.0.0 [08:05] Laney: good holidays? [08:05] bah, sorry [08:05] didrocks: very nice thank you, lots of snow and walking and beer :-) [08:05] :) [08:06] U unity_protocol_music_preview_pause_uri [08:06] * Laney tries to find out what he missed while away [08:06] popey: check that you have latest libunity and unity, and that they both comes from distro [08:06] Laney: enjoy catching up! :) [08:06] Installed: 7.0.0daily13.04.05.2-0ubuntu1 [08:07] Installed: 7.0.0daily13.04.05.2-0ubuntu1 [08:07] thats unity and libunity [08:07] both from distro [08:07] I've seen others report this over the weekend too [08:07] not possible [08:07] 7.0.0daily13.04.05.2-0ubuntu1 doesn't exist for libunity [08:07] libunity-core-6.0-5: sorry [08:07] hey desktopers [08:07] N: Unable to locate package libunity [08:07] popey: libunity9 [08:07] salut seb128 [08:08] Installed: 6.91.9daily13.04.05ubuntu.unity.experimental.certified-0ubuntu1 [08:08] gah! [08:08] morning seb128 [08:08] (the gah not aimed at you seb) :D [08:08] hehe [08:08] wee, maliit accepted into debian [08:08] * popey downgrades === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [08:12] Quintasan: ^^^^ :D [08:12] it's an old version because I didn't want to keep uploading when it was already in NEW, but there you go [08:16] didrocks: downgraded libunity9 but compiz is still crashing with the same error message [08:17] popey: check your components, as it's reproduceable, I would have expect seeing that missing symbol in all install [08:17] popey: which didn't occur in the french forum nor here in my normal or guest session [08:17] popey: look at the indicators and so on [08:21] popey, dpkg -l | grep experimental.certified [08:21] yeah, just did that and found a couple more, thanks [08:21] unity-scopes-runner, libunity-protocol-private0... [08:21] popey: did you run ppa-purge to remove the 100scopes ppa? [08:22] yes, after unity stopped working [08:22] \o/ unity desktop [08:23] phew. felt icky using gnome shell for a couple of days ㋛ [08:23] thanks guys [08:23] :) [08:23] yw [08:34] Wow, I just got 6 months or so backlog of tweets =) [08:35] yet gwibber is not in my messaging menu, just the bubbled. [08:35] * xnox is confused [08:35] Oh, it's a scope [08:35] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1166052 possibly? [08:35] Launchpad bug 1166052 in friends-app "notifies on startup of every tweet ever directed at you" [Undecided,Confirmed] [08:35] I got it too with facebook notifications [08:46] popey, that's good, so you delete those damn DM's. :> === tkamppeter__ is now known as tkamppeter === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr_ === rvr_ is now known as rvr === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [10:57] oh, did pitti feed the "sudo is superior everything in the world even though i don't understand it" troll? ;) [11:00] chrisccoulson: sorry.. [11:00] heh [11:00] how are you pitti? [11:01] hey chrisccoulson pitti [11:01] chrisccoulson: quite fine, thanks! [11:01] bonjour seb128 [11:01] hey seb128, did you have a good weekend? [11:01] "hungry" :) just grabbed some lunch, bbl [11:01] chrisccoulson, quite good, it was even sunny yesterday ;-) [11:01] back to 5°C and clouds today though :-( [11:01] chrisccoulson, you? [11:01] seb128, yeah, i actually left our house on saturday without wearing a jacket [11:01] but it's going to get colder here again this week [11:02] other than that, my weekend was ok. although, jo is back at work now, and she worked over the weekend [11:03] i got carried away on my bike thanks to the sun and accidently rode 40 miles [11:03] realised too late that i have to ride all the way back too ... === geser_ is now known as geser [11:03] lol [11:03] that's crazy! [11:03] was swearing at every tiny hill by the end [11:04] heh === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:39] hey desktop folk, could anyone give me a hand or some tips on how to fix my display? This morning I rebooted my raring laptop (with nvidia), and now unity won't start. If I run it from the command line it tells me "extension 'GLX' missing on display '0:0'" [11:43] dpm, hey, what did you change/install/upgrade before getting the issue [11:44] seb128, unfortunately, I can't remember last time I did a dist-upgrade, so I guess it's my fault :/ In any case, the machine was up to date up until this morning [11:44] dpm, can you copy your /var/log/dpkg.log somewhere? [11:45] dpm, when did you last reboot before that? [11:45] seb128, yeah, let me try. I haven't rebooted in a few days, I generally suspend. But after the latest updates a few things were not working so I decided to reboot his morning [11:46] dpm, can you copy your Xorg.0.log somewhere as well? [11:48] seb128, here's the /var/log/dpkg.log/ -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5689161/ (I've just replaced nvidia-experimental-* by nvidia-current, I've been running experimental without trouble for months, but just in case). Xorg log coming in a minute [11:49] seb128, Xorg.0.log -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5689171/ [11:51] also not sure if it's related, but for some reason the laptop won't reboot, it just drops to a root prompt [11:51] dpm, nvidia fails to load [11:51] urg [11:52] [ 15.154] (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. Please check your [11:52] [ 15.154] (EE) NVIDIA: system's kernel log for additional error messages. [11:52] trying to reboot with nvidia-current now [11:52] let's see /var/log/apt/term.log too [11:53] also try booting on an older kernel [11:53] yeah, I had thought of that, but I didn't have any older one [11:54] man, this is getting worse. Rebooted and now /boot fails to mount :/ [11:55] it seems I could boot up nevertheless [11:55] but without network now [12:03] Laney: \o/ [12:07] any ideas anyone about "mountall: could not mount filesystem: /boot"? [12:08] bdrung, seb128: see http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/libreoffice4/libreoffice_4.0.2-0ubuntu1.dsc -- also pushed to alioth [12:08] fwiw, still building locally [12:11] dpm, try asking on #ubuntu-devel rather maybe [12:12] ok, thanks seb128 === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage [12:23] Sweetshark: we need this commit: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git;a=commitdiff;h=20bd07fe41abdfa5a3ec407fb3c95699c54d2843 [12:26] bdrung: eek indeed. [12:27] bdrung: and not only that ... [12:27] what else? [12:27] Greetings everyone. [12:28] good morning! [12:28] bdrung: ah, excuse me, I saw only the control change. I thought the rules change was missing, but it isnt. [12:36] hey cyphermox, good morning [12:36] hey pitti === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:49] bdrung: updated [12:50] thanks [12:55] Sweetshark: we have to revert the "ttf-indic-fonts -> fonts-indic" change. fonts-indic is not available yet [12:57] dpm: hey! welcome back :) [12:57] hey didrocks, thanks! :-) [12:57] a pity that I came back to a broken laptop :/ [12:57] yep, I read that :/ [12:57] dpm: not sure if Mirv told you about it already, but the developer guide is quite outdated with latest sdk: bug #1158246 [12:57] Launchpad bug 1158246 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Tutorial code needs to be updated to use the latest UITK version" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1158246 [12:58] dpm: not sure if it's you or mhall119 who will fix it (I see that Michael assigned it to himself) [12:58] didrocks, hm, I asked mhall119 to update it while I was away [12:58] mhall119, could you look into it? [12:58] thanks ;) [12:58] jasoncwarner_: FYI ^ [12:59] didrocks, thanks for the heads up. We should include the tutorial code in the SDK itself, so that it passes tests too [12:59] dpm: that's what I proposed a while ago ;) [12:59] bdrung: please tell me when you are ready with the review, so I can batch apply the remaining changes. [13:01] cyphermox: https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/network-manager/more-tests/+merge/157644 :) [13:01] cyphermox: note that I get "testDnsmasqRunning (__main__.TestDnsmasq) ... FAIL", but I didn't touch taht [13:01] "that" [13:03] Sweetshark: okay. i am not finished. libreoffice-common doesn't suggest libreoffice-style-human any more. was that intentional? [13:07] Sweetshark: a question: libreoffice-emailmerge moved into libreoffice-common? [13:08] pitti: yeah, I meant to disable, it, it's borken [13:09] cyphermox: I get the same error when running the raring package's tests, so I'm fairly sure it's not due to the new tests [13:09] pitti: no, I know [13:09] there's an issue with how the devices are configured in the VM, NM never manages them I think [13:09] cyphermox: I'll add some more tests in the future, and also some for NM itself, btw; but we either need a fixed mac80211_hwsim module (I sent the fix to the upstream MLs this morning), or a workaround in NM [13:10] Sweetshark: the change "ttf-devanagari-fonts -> fonts-deva" needs to be reverted, too [13:10] cyphermox: yeah, those are cloud images, I suppose they use /e/n/interfaces for eth0 [13:10] cyphermox: anyway, comments appreciated (in the MP) [13:11] cyphermox: I'll head out for some running, back in ~ 45 min [13:11] ok [13:11] pitti: but for /e/n/i I explicitly run ifblacklist, but it didn't seem to wokr [13:14] Sweetshark: screw my libreoffice-emailmerge question. [13:34] Sweetshark: i am done with reviewing the debian/ diff [13:36] dpm: hey, can you moderate my mail to ubuntu-translators through? === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:48] pitti, hum, that ubuntu-system-services is_package_system_locked() is annoying [13:49] pitti, update-notifier runs as a normal user and that doesn't have the read access to the apt/dpkg lock files to get the info [13:58] dobey, sure, give me 5 mins === fginther` is now known as fginther [14:10] seb128: oh, isn't it enough to check for their mere presence? [14:11] pitti, I don't think so, /var/cache/apt/archives/lock or /var/lib/apt/lists/lock are present and quite old on my install [14:11] pitti, seems like the files stay, the write locks come and go [14:11] OIC [14:12] pitti, we should add it to kitchensink^Wsystemd :p [14:13] I guess we might need a little suid root helper in apt then [14:13] :-( [14:14] suid root, or pkexec [14:14] (the latter might be easier) [14:15] pitti, can't we just add it to an existing service? I was half joking with systemd [14:16] systemd isn't about package management [14:16] I think it would fit in aptd as a D-BUS interface [14:16] or into the apt package as a pkexec/suid helper [14:16] well, you pointed that aptd is heavy to start [14:16] and that we don't want to do that only to read a lock [14:16] yes, hence my proposal of a pkexec helper [14:17] I actually wonder whether we can just call "pidof apt-get || pidof dpkg" [14:17] * seb128 summons mvo [14:18] pitti, let's check with mvo when he's around [14:18] pgrep? [14:18] apt-get doesn't work, as python-apt just spawns /usr/lib/apt/methods/http directly [14:19] but even if we keep the "check locks" approach, that shouldn't be much more than pkexec'ing a series of fuser calls [14:19] (or whatever system-service currently does to check the locks) [14:29] pitti, system-services call fcntl() basically [14:30] pitti, so you would go the "write a small piece of code doing the check, ship it as a standalone binary, call it through pkexec"? [14:30] pitti, it's the pkexec bit that annoys me most there, that's not really an user problem, we shouldn't have something that might trigger an user prompt [14:32] seb128: that won't [14:33] pitti, assuming that the right permissions are shipped with it and that the user is in the right group? [14:34] seb128: no, we can write a .policy to allow running that helper as a local user [14:34] seb128: (sorry, OTP) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [14:35] pitti, right, it just feels like the wrong hammer, but maybe it's not ;-) [14:42] seb128: what feels wrong to you? it's not much different than calling a dbus method that is checked through polkit [14:44] pitti, it feels "heavier" than it should, it should be a simple call, not running a command through extra acl layers [14:44] pitti, but well, that's just a "feel", no practical issue [14:45] pitti, do you think we should ship the helper with update-notifier or somewhere else? [14:46] pitti, I will write the small piece of code to check the lock, then we can decide where to put it [14:48] * seb128 is away for ~45min, bbiab [14:48] hm, Telekom technician trying to debug my landline, as clueless as I [14:49] seb128: it's much less heavy than d-bus activating a python service :) [14:49] seb128: as for the code, a three-line shell script should be enough (fuser shows whether a program has that lock file open) [14:57] Sweetshark: you can reduce the diff to Debian by http://paste.debian.net/248256/ and "libreoffice-emailmerge (<< 1:4.0.2~rc2) -> libreoffice-emailmerge (<< 1:4.0.2~rc1)" === stgraber_ is now known as stgraber === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [15:50] pitti, @fuser: k, I was just trying to spare spawning a shell, but that's not likely to make a noticable difference ... let's go for the easy way [15:51] pitti, do you want to have a go at it or should I look at that tomorrow and ping you for review? [15:53] re (sorry, router/network trouble) [15:54] seb128: sorry, need to run for today; can we talk tomorrow? [15:54] but at least my landline is fixed now [15:55] pitti, sure, have fun! [15:55] pitti, see you tomorrow [16:07] oh [16:36] jhodapp: Just uploaded the rest of 1.0.6 - should hopefully be accepted and available in a few hours [16:36] Laney, nice! that would be for quantal or just for raring? [16:36] just raring [16:36] Laney, is that compiled for ARM as well? [16:36] armhf [16:36] yes, all arches [16:37] it's a distro package [16:37] Laney, you rock! thank you very much [16:37] no worries [16:37] kenvandine: robru: mterry: cyphermox: hey, are we on the right track for having all touch apps into the ppa for the end of next week? I think we'll need to target that date to have an iso by the end of the month based on the ppa [16:38] didrocks: seems feasible yeah [16:38] cyphermox: nice progress on hud and libhud-qt! :-) [16:38] cyphermox: let's hope we can have hud dekstopey-mobiley tomorrow! ;) [16:38] progress is discussable. [16:38] yeah [16:38] that would be rockin' [16:39] cyphermox: hud and libhud-qt will unblock a lot of other components ;) [16:41] yeah [16:47] jbicha, hey [16:48] seb128: hi [16:48] jbicha, I overwrote your recent g-c-c commit with a --overwrite in the vcs for info [16:48] jbicha, please don't commit stuff that are not ready to go into distro [16:48] jbicha, I spent 15 min trying to roll that out, put what I needed to upload, tag and put your stuff back on top ... and finished by screwing the vcs [16:48] seb128: it *is* ready to go into the distro, it's just not as useful without bug 1162478 being handled first [16:48] Launchpad bug 1162478 in libnss-myhostname (Ubuntu) "[FFe] [MIR] libnss-myhostname" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1162478 [16:48] jbicha, I just dropped your commit and overwrote with what I uploaded [16:50] jbicha, hum, I took your "Without /etc/hosts being handled correctly, the hostnamed integration is only half-working which is why I didn't upload" on bug #1162475 as "we should only put that in if the FFe is approved" [16:50] Launchpad bug 1162475 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Changing hostname doesn't update /etc/hosts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1162475 [16:50] jbicha, better to have a feature missing than have it broken (which leads to frustrated users) [16:50] right, it's only half the fix but it's easier to tell people to install one package than to also install a file in a hidden root directory [16:51] I can update the changelog entry so it's more clear that it's an incomplete fix [16:51] well, does the half fix change the UI in a way that could make users believe it's working when it's not ? [16:51] no, the UI is just as broken as it has been for quite a while [16:52] jbicha, well, you wrote "which is why I didn't upload", which sort of implied you didn't want to upload [16:52] sorry about the misunderstanding [16:53] seb128: oh I was misremembering, you're right, we don't want that upload now [16:53] lol [16:53] your call [16:53] I guess you can add to the vcs with the line commented in the .install [16:53] it will allow people to change their hostname but it won't take care of /etc/hosts which is bad [16:54] yeah I should have dropped the change while we wait for the mir === alan_g is now known as alan_g|life [17:17] cyphermox, got some time today to do several tiny reviews? (bootstrap stuff for daily-release and such) [17:18] * didrocks waves good evening [17:18] didrocks, byed === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [17:27] kenvandine or robru: do either of you have some time to review some tiny branches for daily-landing stuff? Will review in exchange :) [17:29] * mterry goes afk for a bit [17:29] mterry, sure === jhodapp is now known as jhodapp|bbiab === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [18:20] mterry: yeah! shoot [18:20] sorry, I was grabbing food, late lunch ;) [18:21] cyphermox, no worries, I bugged kenvandine to do it [18:26] any others? [18:30] cyphermox, not right now === jhodapp|bbiab is now known as jhodapp [19:30] Does anyone here know much about egl and why our current Qt5 package explicitly disables it for non-arm arches? [19:31] (I thought it was a subset of GL) [19:31] mterry, because we use gl and not gles on other archs? [19:31] seb128, gles is a subset right? [19:31] well, dunno how qt is [19:31] but can you enable full gl and gles together? [19:31] or is that an one or the other? [19:32] usually it tends to be gl or gles [19:32] e.g full set or subset [19:32] seb128, yeah... the rules file for qt5 does either "-opengl desktop" or "-opengl es2" [19:33] seb128, but then for non-arm it goes the extra step of saying -no-egl [19:33] Which makes some symbols not appear in libraries and it seems to be making it tough to abstract whether egl is being used or not [19:33] hum, k, sorry I don't know about qt specifically [19:33] try asking Mirv maybe? [19:35] jhodapp, can I ask you some questions about qtubuntu? [19:35] Specifically, it's egl support? [19:35] mterry, sure, I'll answer what I can [19:36] jhodapp, so I believe the plan of record was to allow building qtubuntu on all arches. But egl support is only built in Qt5 for arm. There are egl-specific bits in qtubuntu. Is that supposed to be abstracted away at qtubuntu level or the qt5 level? [19:37] seb128, when you get a sec can you try friends-app again? I was getting similar errors for fb before, but it's working for me now... no code changes [19:37] jhodapp, (I'm only asking you because you were in the bzr log, if there's someone else better to bother, let me know) [19:37] mterry, my understanding is that's supposed to be abstracted by the AAL layer (Ubuntu Platform API basically) [19:38] mterry, and at a package level, the mesa gl, gles, etc packages provide this abstraction [19:39] jhodapp, so QUbuntuBaseContext and QUbuntuBaseScreen both have public API referencing egl structures [19:39] jhodapp, I guess they shouldn't? [19:40] mterry, they should...probably the best person to ask would be tvoss [19:40] jhodapp, OK, thanks [19:40] mterry, tvoss is architecting that [19:41] jhodapp, alright, he's eating dinner now I guess. I'll email him. Thanks+! [19:41] np [19:43] robru, will do (I'm on a quantal machine atm so a bit later) [19:44] seb128, ok, no worries. still trying to figure out if it's a server issue or if there's something we're doing wrong [19:44] robru, btw about the meeting, I got your email, it's going to be 3:30pm utc tomorrow again but we will discuss the time at the end of the meeting [19:45] robru, the issue but shifting later is that it starts overlapping with europe eod/dinner time [19:45] robru, we might settle on 4pm though [19:47] jhodapp, seb128: ah, ok... non-arm packages do have egl libraries/headers available. So it does seem like qt5 should expose the symbols that qtubuntu needs. Will look down that path for the nonce [19:47] non-arm platforms I meant [19:48] mterry, seems a bit weird, but maybe they are doing something smart with it ;-) [20:58] evening folks === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley === francisco is now known as Guest87879 === rickspencer3_ is now known as rickspencer3