[00:00] <thumper> he says that without secure-boot, windows won't boot
[00:00] <thumper> RAOF: only when trying to install I think
[00:00]  * thumper recalls conversation
[00:00] <thumper> the live DVD works if no secure boot and bios in legacy mode
[00:00] <thumper> but he can't use or see win 8 in that mode
[00:00] <RAOF> But no Windows in that mode.
[00:01] <thumper> and the docs on UEFI say that both OSes need to be in the same mode
[00:01] <thumper> so he was trying to install ubuntu with secure-boot
[00:01] <thumper> and I think this is what is screwing him over
[00:01] <popey> thumper: basically, yes, I've never had success with ATI (others have) so i avoid them always.
[00:02] <thumper> gah, no you tell me
[00:02] <thumper> I have ubuntu running on another laptop at home with an ati card
[00:02] <thumper> but it is mostly running win 7 for the girls
[00:02] <popey> also this whole secure boot stuff is new uncharted territory for me ⍨
[00:02] <thumper> I used it for some upgrade testing at one stage
[00:06] <thumper> RAOF: If you want to chat with him on irc, I could poke him and get him online
[00:06] <thumper> RAOF: saves going through a third person
[00:07] <RAOF> I have no problem with ATI cards. I also have no familiarity with secure boot :/
[00:08] <thumper> who knows about secure boot?
[00:09] <popey> mjg59 ☺
[00:10] <RAOF> slangasek
[00:10] <RAOF> Colin (of course)
[00:12] <thumper> hmm... neither of them are around right now... (I guess)
[00:13]  * thumper fires up an email off to them
[03:09] <robert_ancell> thumper, in that lightdm log you attached, you couldn't see a login screen at all? It shows you doing a lot of switching users and failing to log int
[03:09] <robert_ancell> thumper, also are you aware you have an 'oem' user that tries and fails to autologin?
[03:17] <thumper> robert_ancell: no login screen at all, but an obviously active X as there is a mouse cursor, the mouse cursor persists into tty1 as well
[03:17] <thumper> robert_ancell: no didn't know about the oem user
[03:17] <thumper> robert_ancell: blank screen apart from the cursor
[03:17] <robert_ancell> thumper, oh, sounds like an X bug then..
[03:19] <duflu> thumper: There was a mir bug that prevented lightdm from starting at all. It got fixed in the PPA over the weekend... if you can get the update
[03:19] <thumper> duflu: would that show the same symptoms?
[03:19] <duflu> thumper: Yeah no login screen
[03:20] <thumper> duflu: hmm... I'm prepared to wait... been screwed over too many times with ppas
[03:20] <duflu> Though I have seen similar happen during the raring cycle even without any PPAs
[03:20] <thumper> especially beta ones
[03:20] <duflu> thumper: Yeah I've seen the login screen go AWOL a few times since about Jan. That's plain old raring
[03:46] <robert_ancell> duflu, he's not using Mir
[03:46] <duflu> robert_ancell: Yeah I've seen it happen with plain old raring too :P
[03:47] <duflu> robert_ancell: In fact with gpm installed, you can end up with just a VT console and two mouse pointers (one gpm and one graphical)
[06:08] <pitti> Good morning
[06:08] <didrocks> salut pitti, ça va?
[06:08] <pitti> didrocks: je vais très bien, merci!
[06:09] <pitti> le week-end était encore froid, alors nous avons vu des films et joué au badminton
[06:10] <pitti> "Les Misérables" et "Sightseers"
[06:11] <didrocks> quelle version des Misérables?
[06:11] <didrocks> il y en a eu plein :)
[06:11] <pitti> le nouveau, de 2012
[06:12] <pitti> http://www.lesmiserablesfilm.com/
[06:12] <didrocks> ah, je ne  savais même pas qu'il y avait une nouvelle version
[06:13] <didrocks> c'était bien?
[06:13] <pitti> oui, mais un peu longue
[06:14] <pitti> la musique était super
[06:14] <pitti> je n'ai lu le livre jamais
[06:16] <didrocks> le livre est très long :)
[06:38] <pitti> didrocks: où je dois mettre le mot "jamais" ?
[06:38] <pitti> "je jamais n'ai lu...", "je ne jamais ai lu...", "je n'ai jamais lu"
[06:45] <jibel> good morning
[06:55] <didrocks> je n'ai jamais lu le livre
[06:55] <didrocks> (désolé, j'avais pas vu ton ping)
[06:55] <didrocks> salut jibel!
[06:56] <pitti> didrocks: merci !
[06:56] <pitti> didrocks: "je n'ai pas jamais lu"? (forgot the "pas")
[06:57]  * pitti crawling back out of a kernel oops hole
[06:57] <didrocks> pitti: no "pas", "jamais" replace it ;)
[06:57] <pitti> didrocks: ah, merci
[06:57] <didrocks> de rien :)
[08:04] <popey> didrocks: I get compiz (core) - Debug: dlopen failed: /usr/lib/libunity-core-6.0.so.5: undefined symbol: unity_protocol_music_preview_pause_uri
[08:04] <popey> on my laptop, so can't use unity right now
[08:04] <popey> sam suggested it's an ABI break
[08:04] <didrocks> popey: is this file installed for you?
[08:04] <Laney> gooood morning!
[08:05] <didrocks> popey: any ppa? I'm on the latest distro version and I don't have any issue
[08:05] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:05] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ ls -l libunity-core-6.0.so.5.0.0
[08:05] <didrocks> Laney: good holidays?
[08:05] <popey> bah, sorry
[08:05] <Laney> didrocks: very nice thank you, lots of snow and walking and beer :-)
[08:05] <didrocks> :)
[08:06] <didrocks>                  U unity_protocol_music_preview_pause_uri
[08:06]  * Laney tries to find out what he missed while away
[08:06] <didrocks> popey: check that you have latest libunity and unity, and that they both comes from distro
[08:06] <didrocks> Laney: enjoy catching up! :)
[08:06] <popey>   Installed: 7.0.0daily13.04.05.2-0ubuntu1
[08:07] <popey>   Installed: 7.0.0daily13.04.05.2-0ubuntu1
[08:07] <popey> thats unity and libunity
[08:07] <popey> both from distro
[08:07] <popey> I've seen others report this over the weekend too
[08:07] <didrocks> not possible
[08:07] <didrocks> 7.0.0daily13.04.05.2-0ubuntu1 doesn't exist for libunity
[08:07] <popey> libunity-core-6.0-5: sorry
[08:07] <seb128> hey desktopers
[08:07] <popey> N: Unable to locate package libunity
[08:07] <didrocks> popey: libunity9
[08:07] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:08] <popey>   Installed: 6.91.9daily13.04.05ubuntu.unity.experimental.certified-0ubuntu1
[08:08] <popey> gah!
[08:08] <popey> morning seb128
[08:08] <popey> (the gah not aimed at you seb) :D
[08:08] <seb128> hehe
[08:08] <Laney> wee, maliit accepted into debian
[08:08]  * popey downgrades
[08:12] <Laney> Quintasan: ^^^^ :D
[08:12] <Laney> it's an old version because I didn't want to keep uploading when it was already in NEW, but there you go
[08:16] <popey> didrocks: downgraded libunity9 but compiz is still crashing with the same error message
[08:17] <didrocks> popey: check your components, as it's reproduceable, I would have expect seeing that missing symbol in all install
[08:17] <didrocks> popey: which didn't occur in the french forum nor here in my normal or guest session
[08:17] <didrocks> popey: look at the indicators and so on
[08:21] <seb128> popey, dpkg -l | grep experimental.certified
[08:21] <popey> yeah, just did that and found a couple more, thanks
[08:21] <popey> unity-scopes-runner, libunity-protocol-private0...
[08:21] <didrocks> popey: did you run ppa-purge to remove the 100scopes ppa?
[08:22] <popey> yes, after unity stopped working
[08:22] <popey> \o/ unity desktop
[08:23] <popey> phew. felt icky using gnome shell for a couple of days ㋛
[08:23] <popey> thanks guys
[08:23] <didrocks> :)
[08:23] <didrocks> yw
[08:34] <xnox> Wow, I just got 6 months or so backlog of tweets =)
[08:35] <xnox> yet gwibber is not in my messaging menu, just the bubbled.
[08:35]  * xnox is confused
[08:35] <xnox> Oh, it's a scope
[08:35] <popey> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1166052  possibly?
[08:35] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1166052 in friends-app "notifies on startup of every tweet ever directed at you" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[08:35] <popey> I got it too with facebook notifications
[08:46] <BigWhale> popey, that's good, so you delete those damn DM's. :>
[10:57] <chrisccoulson> oh, did pitti feed the "sudo is superior everything in the world even though i don't understand it" troll? ;)
[11:00] <pitti> chrisccoulson: sorry..
[11:00] <chrisccoulson> heh
[11:00] <chrisccoulson> how are you pitti?
[11:01] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson pitti
[11:01] <pitti> chrisccoulson: quite fine, thanks!
[11:01] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[11:01] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128, did you have a good weekend?
[11:01] <pitti> "hungry" :) just grabbed some lunch, bbl
[11:01] <seb128> chrisccoulson, quite good, it was even sunny yesterday ;-)
[11:01] <seb128> back to 5°C and clouds today though :-(
[11:01] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you?
[11:01] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, i actually left our house on saturday without wearing a jacket
[11:01] <chrisccoulson> but it's going to get colder here again this week
[11:02] <chrisccoulson> other than that, my weekend was ok. although, jo is back at work now, and she worked over the weekend
[11:03] <Laney> i got carried away on my bike thanks to the sun and accidently rode 40 miles
[11:03] <Laney> realised too late that i have to ride all the way back too ...
[11:03] <chrisccoulson> lol
[11:03] <chrisccoulson> that's crazy!
[11:03] <Laney> was swearing at every tiny hill by the end
[11:04] <chrisccoulson> heh
[11:39] <dpm> hey desktop folk, could anyone give me a hand or some tips on how to fix my display? This morning I rebooted my raring laptop (with nvidia), and now unity won't start. If I run it from the command line it tells me "extension 'GLX' missing on display '0:0'"
[11:43] <seb128> dpm, hey, what did you change/install/upgrade before getting the issue
[11:44] <dpm> seb128, unfortunately, I can't remember last time I did a dist-upgrade, so I guess it's my fault :/ In any case, the machine was up to date up until this morning
[11:44] <seb128> dpm, can you copy your /var/log/dpkg.log somewhere?
[11:45] <seb128> dpm, when did you last reboot before that?
[11:45] <dpm> seb128, yeah, let me try. I haven't rebooted in a few days, I generally suspend. But after the latest updates a few things were not working so I decided to reboot his morning
[11:46] <seb128> dpm, can you copy your Xorg.0.log somewhere as well?
[11:48] <dpm> seb128, here's the /var/log/dpkg.log/ -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5689161/ (I've just replaced nvidia-experimental-* by nvidia-current, I've been running experimental without trouble for months, but just in case). Xorg log coming in a minute
[11:49] <dpm> seb128, Xorg.0.log -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5689171/
[11:51] <dpm> also not sure if it's related, but for some reason the laptop won't reboot, it just drops to a root prompt
[11:51] <seb128> dpm, nvidia fails to load
[11:51] <seb128> urg
[11:52] <seb128> [    15.154] (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. Please check your
[11:52] <seb128> [    15.154] (EE) NVIDIA:     system's kernel log for additional error messages.
[11:52] <dpm> trying to reboot with nvidia-current now
[11:52] <Laney> let's see /var/log/apt/term.log too
[11:53] <Laney> also try booting on an older kernel
[11:53] <dpm> yeah, I had thought of that, but I didn't have any older one
[11:54] <dpm> man, this is getting worse. Rebooted and now /boot fails to mount :/
[11:55] <dpm> it seems I could boot up nevertheless
[11:55] <dpm> but without network now
[12:03] <Quintasan> Laney: \o/
[12:07] <dpm> any ideas anyone about "mountall: could not mount filesystem: /boot"?
[12:08] <Sweetshark> bdrung, seb128: see http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/libreoffice4/libreoffice_4.0.2-0ubuntu1.dsc -- also pushed to alioth
[12:08] <Sweetshark> fwiw, still building locally
[12:11] <seb128> dpm, try asking on #ubuntu-devel rather maybe
[12:12] <dpm> ok, thanks seb128
[12:23] <bdrung> Sweetshark: we need this commit: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git;a=commitdiff;h=20bd07fe41abdfa5a3ec407fb3c95699c54d2843
[12:26] <Sweetshark> bdrung: eek indeed.
[12:27] <Sweetshark> bdrung: and not only that ...
[12:27] <bdrung> what else?
[12:27] <BigWhale> Greetings everyone.
[12:28] <cyphermox> good morning!
[12:28] <Sweetshark> bdrung: ah, excuse me, I saw only the control change. I thought the rules change was missing, but it isnt.
[12:36] <pitti> hey cyphermox, good morning
[12:36] <cyphermox> hey pitti
[12:49] <Sweetshark> bdrung: updated
[12:50] <bdrung> thanks
[12:55] <bdrung> Sweetshark: we have to revert the "ttf-indic-fonts -> fonts-indic" change. fonts-indic is not available yet
[12:57] <didrocks> dpm: hey! welcome back :)
[12:57] <dpm> hey didrocks, thanks! :-)
[12:57] <dpm> a pity that I came back to a broken laptop :/
[12:57] <didrocks> yep, I read that :/
[12:57] <didrocks> dpm: not sure if Mirv told you about it already, but the developer guide is quite outdated with latest sdk: bug #1158246
[12:57] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1158246 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Tutorial code needs to be updated to use the latest UITK version" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1158246
[12:58] <didrocks> dpm: not sure if it's you or mhall119 who will fix it (I see that Michael assigned it to himself)
[12:58] <dpm> didrocks, hm, I asked mhall119 to update it while I was away
[12:58] <dpm> mhall119, could you look into it?
[12:58] <didrocks> thanks ;)
[12:58] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: FYI ^
[12:59] <dpm> didrocks, thanks for the heads up. We should include the tutorial code in the SDK itself, so that it passes tests too
[12:59] <didrocks> dpm: that's what I proposed a while ago ;)
[12:59] <Sweetshark> bdrung: please tell me when you are ready with the review, so I can batch apply the remaining changes.
[13:01] <pitti> cyphermox: https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/network-manager/more-tests/+merge/157644 :)
[13:01] <pitti> cyphermox: note that I get "testDnsmasqRunning (__main__.TestDnsmasq) ... FAIL", but I didn't touch taht
[13:01] <pitti> "that"
[13:03] <bdrung> Sweetshark: okay. i am not finished. libreoffice-common doesn't suggest libreoffice-style-human any more. was that intentional?
[13:07] <bdrung> Sweetshark: a question: libreoffice-emailmerge moved into libreoffice-common?
[13:08] <cyphermox> pitti: yeah, I meant to disable, it, it's borken
[13:09] <pitti> cyphermox: I get the same error when running the raring package's tests, so I'm fairly sure it's not due to the new tests
[13:09] <cyphermox> pitti: no, I know
[13:09] <cyphermox> there's an issue with how the devices are configured in the VM, NM never manages them I think
[13:09] <pitti> cyphermox: I'll add some more tests in the future, and also some for NM itself, btw; but we either need a fixed mac80211_hwsim module (I sent the fix to the upstream MLs this morning), or a workaround in NM
[13:10] <bdrung> Sweetshark: the change "ttf-devanagari-fonts -> fonts-deva" needs to be reverted, too
[13:10] <pitti> cyphermox: yeah, those are cloud images, I suppose they use /e/n/interfaces for eth0
[13:10] <pitti> cyphermox: anyway, comments appreciated (in the MP)
[13:11] <pitti> cyphermox: I'll head out for some running, back in ~ 45 min
[13:11] <cyphermox> ok
[13:11] <cyphermox> pitti: but for /e/n/i I explicitly run ifblacklist, but it didn't seem to wokr
[13:14] <bdrung> Sweetshark: screw my libreoffice-emailmerge question.
[13:34] <bdrung> Sweetshark: i am done with reviewing the debian/ diff
[13:36] <dobey> dpm: hey, can you moderate my mail to ubuntu-translators through?
[13:48] <seb128> pitti, hum, that ubuntu-system-services is_package_system_locked() is annoying
[13:49] <seb128> pitti, update-notifier runs as a normal user and that doesn't have the read access to the apt/dpkg lock files to get the info
[13:58] <dpm> dobey, sure, give me 5 mins
[14:10] <pitti> seb128: oh, isn't it enough to check for their mere presence?
[14:11] <seb128> pitti, I don't think so, /var/cache/apt/archives/lock or /var/lib/apt/lists/lock are present and quite old on my install
[14:11] <seb128> pitti, seems like the files stay, the write locks come and go
[14:11] <pitti> OIC
[14:12] <seb128> pitti, we should add it to kitchensink^Wsystemd :p
[14:13] <pitti> I guess we might need a little suid root helper in apt then
[14:13] <seb128> :-(
[14:14] <pitti> suid root, or pkexec
[14:14] <pitti> (the latter might be easier)
[14:15] <seb128> pitti, can't we just add it to an existing service? I was half joking with systemd
[14:16] <pitti> systemd isn't about package management
[14:16] <pitti> I think it would fit in aptd as a D-BUS interface
[14:16] <pitti> or into the apt package as a pkexec/suid helper
[14:16] <seb128> well, you pointed that aptd is heavy to start
[14:16] <seb128> and that we don't want to do that only to read a lock
[14:16] <pitti> yes, hence my proposal of a pkexec helper
[14:17] <pitti> I actually wonder whether we can just call "pidof apt-get || pidof dpkg"
[14:17]  * seb128 summons mvo
[14:18] <seb128> pitti, let's check with mvo when he's around
[14:18] <Laney> pgrep?
[14:18] <pitti> apt-get doesn't work, as python-apt just spawns /usr/lib/apt/methods/http directly
[14:19] <pitti> but even if we keep the "check locks" approach, that shouldn't be much more than pkexec'ing a series of fuser <lockfile> calls
[14:19] <pitti> (or whatever system-service currently does to check the locks)
[14:29] <seb128> pitti, system-services call fcntl() basically
[14:30] <seb128> pitti, so you would go the "write a small piece of code doing the check, ship it as a standalone binary, call it through pkexec"?
[14:30] <seb128> pitti, it's the pkexec bit that annoys me most there, that's not really an user problem, we shouldn't have something that might trigger an user prompt
[14:32] <pitti> seb128: that won't
[14:33] <seb128> pitti, assuming that the right permissions are shipped with it and that the user is in the right group?
[14:34] <pitti> seb128: no, we can write a .policy to allow running that helper as a local user
[14:34] <pitti> seb128: (sorry, OTP)
[14:35] <seb128> pitti, right, it just feels like the wrong hammer, but maybe it's not ;-)
[14:42] <pitti> seb128: what feels wrong to you? it's not much different than calling a dbus method that is checked through polkit
[14:44] <seb128> pitti, it feels "heavier" than it should, it should be a simple call, not running a command through extra acl layers
[14:44] <seb128> pitti, but well, that's just a "feel", no practical issue
[14:45] <seb128> pitti, do you think we should ship the helper with update-notifier or somewhere else?
[14:46] <seb128> pitti, I will write the small piece of code to check the lock, then we can decide where to put it
[14:48]  * seb128 is away for ~45min, bbiab
[14:48] <pitti> hm, Telekom technician trying to debug my landline, as clueless as I
[14:49] <pitti> seb128: it's much less heavy than d-bus activating a python service :)
[14:49] <pitti> seb128: as for the code, a three-line shell script should be enough (fuser shows whether a program has that lock file open)
[14:57] <bdrung> Sweetshark: you can reduce the diff to Debian by http://paste.debian.net/248256/ and "libreoffice-emailmerge (<< 1:4.0.2~rc2) -> libreoffice-emailmerge (<< 1:4.0.2~rc1)"
[15:50] <seb128> pitti, @fuser: k, I was just trying to spare spawning a shell, but that's not likely to make a noticable difference ... let's go for the easy way
[15:51] <seb128> pitti, do you want to have a go at it or should I look at that tomorrow and ping you for review?
[15:53] <pitti> re (sorry, router/network trouble)
[15:54] <pitti> seb128: sorry, need to run for today; can we talk tomorrow?
[15:54] <pitti> but at least my landline is fixed now
[15:55] <seb128> pitti, sure, have fun!
[15:55] <seb128> pitti, see you tomorrow
[16:07] <cyphermox> oh
[16:36] <Laney> jhodapp: Just uploaded the rest of 1.0.6 - should hopefully be accepted and available in a few hours
[16:36] <jhodapp> Laney, nice! that would be for quantal or just for raring?
[16:36] <Laney> just raring
[16:36] <jhodapp> Laney, is that compiled for ARM as well?
[16:36] <jhodapp> armhf
[16:36] <Laney> yes, all arches
[16:37] <Laney> it's a distro package
[16:37] <jhodapp> Laney, you rock! thank you very much
[16:37] <Laney> no worries
[16:37] <didrocks> kenvandine: robru: mterry: cyphermox: hey, are we on the right track for having all touch apps into the ppa for the end of next week? I think we'll need to target that date to have an iso by the end of the month based on the ppa
[16:38] <cyphermox> didrocks: seems feasible yeah
[16:38] <didrocks> cyphermox: nice progress on hud and libhud-qt! :-)
[16:38] <didrocks> cyphermox: let's hope we can have hud dekstopey-mobiley tomorrow! ;)
[16:38] <cyphermox> progress is discussable.
[16:38] <cyphermox> yeah
[16:38] <cyphermox> that would be rockin'
[16:39] <didrocks> cyphermox: hud and libhud-qt will unblock a lot of other components ;)
[16:41] <cyphermox> yeah
[16:47] <seb128> jbicha, hey
[16:48] <jbicha> seb128: hi
[16:48] <seb128> jbicha, I overwrote your recent g-c-c commit with a --overwrite in the vcs for info
[16:48] <seb128> jbicha, please don't commit stuff that are not ready to go into distro
[16:48] <seb128> jbicha, I spent 15 min trying to roll that out, put what I needed to upload, tag and put your stuff back on top ... and finished by screwing the vcs
[16:48] <jbicha> seb128: it *is* ready to go into the distro, it's just not as useful without bug 1162478 being handled first
[16:48] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1162478 in libnss-myhostname (Ubuntu) "[FFe] [MIR] libnss-myhostname" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1162478
[16:48] <seb128> jbicha, I just dropped your commit and overwrote with what I uploaded
[16:50] <seb128> jbicha, hum, I took your "Without /etc/hosts being handled correctly, the hostnamed integration is only half-working which is why I didn't upload" on bug #1162475 as "we should only put that in if the FFe is approved"
[16:50] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1162475 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Changing hostname doesn't update /etc/hosts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1162475
[16:50] <seb128> jbicha, better to have a feature missing than have it broken (which leads to frustrated users)
[16:50] <jbicha> right, it's only half the fix but it's easier to tell people to install one package than to also install a file in a hidden root directory
[16:51] <jbicha> I can update the changelog entry so it's more clear that it's an incomplete fix
[16:51] <seb128> well, does the half fix change the UI in a way that could make users believe it's working when it's not ?
[16:51] <jbicha> no, the UI is just as broken as it has been for quite a while
[16:52] <seb128> jbicha, well, you wrote "which is why I didn't upload", which sort of implied you didn't want to upload
[16:52] <seb128> sorry about the misunderstanding
[16:53] <jbicha> seb128: oh I was misremembering, you're right, we don't want that upload now
[16:53] <seb128> lol
[16:53] <seb128> your call
[16:53] <seb128> I guess you can add to the vcs with the line commented in the .install
[16:53] <jbicha> it will allow people to change their hostname but it won't take care of /etc/hosts which is bad
[16:54] <jbicha> yeah I should have dropped the change while we wait for the mir
[17:17] <mterry> cyphermox, got some time today to do several tiny reviews?  (bootstrap stuff for daily-release and such)
[17:18]  * didrocks waves good evening
[17:18] <mterry> didrocks, byed
[17:27] <mterry> kenvandine or robru: do either of you have some time to review some tiny branches for daily-landing stuff?  Will review in exchange :)
[17:29]  * mterry goes afk for a bit
[17:29] <kenvandine> mterry, sure
[18:20] <cyphermox> mterry: yeah! shoot
[18:20] <cyphermox> sorry, I was grabbing food, late lunch ;)
[18:21] <mterry> cyphermox, no worries, I bugged kenvandine to do it
[18:26] <cyphermox> any others?
[18:30] <mterry> cyphermox, not right now
[19:30] <mterry> Does anyone here know much about egl and why our current Qt5 package explicitly disables it for non-arm arches?
[19:31] <mterry> (I thought it was a subset of GL)
[19:31] <seb128> mterry, because we use gl and not gles on other archs?
[19:31] <mterry> seb128, gles is a subset right?
[19:31] <seb128> well, dunno how qt is
[19:31] <seb128> but can you enable full gl and gles together?
[19:31] <seb128> or is that an one or the other?
[19:32] <seb128> usually it tends to be gl or gles
[19:32] <seb128> e.g full set or subset
[19:32] <mterry> seb128, yeah...  the rules file for qt5 does either "-opengl desktop" or "-opengl es2"
[19:33] <mterry> seb128, but then for non-arm it goes the extra step of saying -no-egl
[19:33] <mterry> Which makes some symbols not appear in libraries and it seems to be making it tough to abstract whether egl is being used or not
[19:33] <seb128> hum, k, sorry I don't know about qt specifically
[19:33] <seb128> try asking Mirv maybe?
[19:35] <mterry> jhodapp, can I ask you some questions about qtubuntu?
[19:35] <mterry> Specifically, it's egl support?
[19:35] <jhodapp> mterry, sure, I'll answer what I can
[19:36] <mterry> jhodapp, so I believe the plan of record was to allow building qtubuntu on all arches.  But egl support is only built in Qt5 for arm.  There are egl-specific bits in qtubuntu.  Is that supposed to be abstracted away at qtubuntu level or the qt5 level?
[19:37] <robru> seb128, when you get a sec can you try friends-app again? I was getting similar errors for fb before, but it's working for me now... no code changes
[19:37] <mterry> jhodapp, (I'm only asking you because you were in the bzr log, if there's someone else better to bother, let me know)
[19:37] <jhodapp> mterry, my understanding is that's supposed to be abstracted by the AAL layer (Ubuntu Platform API basically)
[19:38] <jhodapp> mterry, and at a package level, the mesa gl, gles, etc packages provide this abstraction
[19:39] <mterry> jhodapp, so QUbuntuBaseContext and QUbuntuBaseScreen both have public API referencing egl structures
[19:39] <mterry> jhodapp, I guess they shouldn't?
[19:40] <jhodapp> mterry, they should...probably the best person to ask would be tvoss
[19:40] <mterry> jhodapp, OK, thanks
[19:40] <jhodapp> mterry, tvoss is architecting that
[19:41] <mterry> jhodapp, alright, he's eating dinner now I guess.  I'll email him.  Thanks+!
[19:41] <jhodapp> np
[19:43] <seb128> robru, will do (I'm on a quantal machine atm so a bit later)
[19:44] <robru> seb128, ok, no worries. still trying to figure out if it's a server issue or if there's something we're doing wrong
[19:44] <seb128> robru, btw about the meeting, I got your email, it's going to be 3:30pm utc tomorrow again but we will discuss the time at the end of the meeting
[19:45] <seb128> robru, the issue but shifting later is that it starts overlapping with europe eod/dinner time
[19:45] <seb128> robru, we might settle on 4pm though
[19:47] <mterry> jhodapp, seb128: ah, ok...  non-arm packages do have egl libraries/headers available.  So it does seem like qt5 should expose the symbols that qtubuntu needs.  Will look down that path for the nonce
[19:47] <mterry> non-arm platforms I meant
[19:48] <seb128> mterry, seems a bit weird, but maybe they are doing something smart with it ;-)
[20:58] <czajkowski> evening folks