[06:08] <pitti> Good morning
[06:45] <dholbach> good morning
[06:45] <jibel> good morning
[06:46] <pitti> bonjour jibel
[06:47] <jibel> bonjour pitti
[07:59] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj: Are you here?
[08:04] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, yeah?
[08:05] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj: PM?
[08:05] <Noskcaj> sure
[12:06] <chrisccoulson> is there anybody who enjoys debugging test failures and wants to get their hands dirty?
[12:06] <chrisccoulson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bugs?field.tag=moz-test-regression
[12:06] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[15:54] <smartboyhw> phillw: How ya doing today?
[15:55] <phillw> hi smartboyhw I'm well, how's things with you?
[15:55] <smartboyhw> phillw: good:)
[16:27] <chrisccoulson> jibel, is there any way to find out the binary package version installed for autopkgtest runs? i can find the source package version in the test logs. it seems that the test runs fire when there is a new source package, but before the binary packages have built and become available
[16:35] <chilicuil> ~~
[16:36] <jibel> chrisccoulson, oh right, looking at the logs for run #149 of firefox-trunk version of the source package is firefox-trunk 23.0~a1~hg20130407r127941-0ubuntu1~umd1 and version of the binary is firefox-trunk 23.0~a1~hg20130405r127690-0ubuntu1~umd1
[16:36] <jibel> hmmm
[16:37] <jibel> chrisccoulson, okay, I've an idea how to fix that. thanks for pointing this out.
[16:40] <chrisccoulson> jibel, awesome, thanks
[17:14] <SergioMeneses> morning!
[17:14] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw, phillw \o
[17:34] <phillw> hiyas SergioMeneses
[19:11] <phillw> balloons: you have mail :)
[19:12]  * balloons looks
[19:21] <SergioMeneses> jejeje
[19:21] <SergioMeneses> phillw, \o\
[19:22] <phillw> SergioMenesesit looks a bit of a mess :(
[20:08] <balloons> bah, nosckaj isn't about
[20:09] <balloons> phillw, my thoughts are 1500 and 1499 are not the same
[20:09] <balloons> 1465 is supposed to be for the small changes for ppc for netboot
[20:10] <balloons> we can easily re-assign testcases to products if they are incorrect of course..
[20:10] <balloons> in this case, I need the ppc testers help..
[20:19] <phillw> balloons: what is the difference between 1499 and 1500 ? apart from we do actually check that tasksel is there on 1500 (always a good move).
[20:23] <phillw> as for 1465 it is now an extension of 1499 (does the system re-boot), 1500 (we do actually have tasksel) and 1465 which says 'now install what you want'. I'm all for 1500, but what has 1465 got to do with testing the mini-iso has installed?
[20:23] <phillw> I can just as easily follow up 1500 and put ubuntu-unity on it?
[20:25] <phillw> let me just go and pull in the 13.04 tasksel to see what it offers :)
[20:27] <phillw> balloons: It would be a good idea anyway, as I need to check it still offers LAMP :)
[20:28] <phillw> balloons: I suggest you install it and see the number of choices :D
[20:29] <balloons> phillw, the difference is booting
[20:29] <balloons> one uses a mini iso
[20:29] <balloons> the other uses a tarball and grub entry
[20:30] <phillw> An application test case would be more fitting... launch it, offer how to navigate it, and then let a user flag up if one of the 42 options do not work.
[20:32] <phillw> balloons: are you refering to 1501?
[20:37] <phillw> balloons: ahh, 1500 ... yup, good application test, but it does assume you have a running system to edit the grub on. This is not really testing does the debian network iso actually work on a virgin system? As it is marked mandatory, it would mean that if the iso installs perfectly on a machine, it would not get passed because no one has carried out that test. Thus, it is, at best 'optional'.
[20:38] <phillw> same as the pxe test also requires a running machine in order to tell it where to get the image from. If you have a blank formatted hard drive.... you cannot use either.
[20:38] <phillw> IIRC, pxe is more used on VM's than actual kit?
[20:39] <phillw> or on machines with a /boot partition which holds the minimal amount to actually get to "where do I boot from" :D
[20:42] <phillw> balloons: I recall a similar discussion, when things went a bit crazy at 12.10 release. we could not test all the 'madatory' test cases for ppc-server, simply because we did not have the equipment, it was none other than the guy who 'looks after' mini/netboot  who said that as long as it boots and runs, that is enough for the iso-tracker......
[20:55] <balloons> if you want to remove the tests as mandatory, that's also an option :-)
[21:01] <phillw> balloons: I'll bounce the idea off colin watson, I cannot see him having an issue. the mini-netboot iso's simply 'arrive' from debian. Are you okay to have the mini-iso / netboot iso check to see that tasksel is actually there?
[21:01] <phillw> I do think that is quite vital!
[21:01] <balloons> check that you get a tasksel?
[21:01] <balloons> why wouldn't you? I certainly hope you would :-)
[21:04] <Noskcaj> the testing tracker is missing beta 2
[21:04] <phillw> I will have a look through the test-cases and ensure that the check for task-sel does only list the options and not actually install anything (I am pretty darn sure that 1500 does this.
[21:06] <phillw> balloons: as second point with using mini/netboot we only offer 'use entire disk', do you want me to check on if it supports side by side as an option?
[21:07] <phillw> he he, i now have the daily mini-iso on my dedicated server.... let me try that command again on my own computer..... darn these windows!
[21:08] <phillw> Noskcaj: you have a good point!
[21:09] <phillw> I'm really scoring 0% on my observency checks this evening!
[21:10] <Noskcaj> phillw, for mini-iso it's not really a daily. it will randomly update. i've seen it update 3 times a day once
[21:10] <phillw> Noskcaj: all the beta 2's for the flavours are on http://phillw.net/isos/
[21:11] <phillw> Noskcaj: we were discussing that some of mandatory test cases, are not.
[21:11] <Noskcaj> phillw, i'm able to get them, i'm just surprised they aren't on the tracker.
[21:11] <phillw> I'll let balloons go and check with the -release team where the Beta 2 entry went :D
[21:11] <Noskcaj> ok
[21:12] <balloons> Noskcaj, yea, I noticed it was gone also
[21:12] <balloons> it was misplaced as archived
[21:12] <phillw> I think stephane may have gone AFK.
[21:12] <balloons> i'll fix it now
[21:12] <Noskcaj> on the topic of the testcases, why do only kubuntu and ubuntu have lvm + encryption
[21:12] <balloons> done :-)
[21:13] <phillw> Noskcaj: I'm sure I saw it on lubuntu? It is part of ubiquity which we all share?
[21:13] <Noskcaj> phillw, yeah
[21:14] <phillw> well, not ubiquity, as that is the GUI.. but the script for part-man
[21:19] <phillw> Noskcaj: the mini-isos arrive as per release from debian, there has been one occaission when the -release team did not update the iso-tracker. And knowing full well "Sod's Law" it was the day when one of the L-QA team installed the iso, and it failed :D
[21:20] <Noskcaj> for anyone willing to help, i'm working on a magazine article foe xubuntu at http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-articles-testing
[21:21] <phillw> Noskcaj: well, you have the classroom sessions; along with news of what did not work in 12.10 and will be resolved in 13.04 :)
[21:22] <Noskcaj> also, i'm going for membership. can someone have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj
[21:37] <phillw> Noskcaj: I've added mine, but it does need a bit of 'tidying up' :)
[21:37] <phillw> (not my refernce... the page).
[21:37] <Noskcaj> phillw, yeah, i'll work on that soon
[21:43] <JoseeAntonioR> phillw: classroom sessions, you said?
[21:43] <phillw> JoseeAntonioR:  who did?>
[21:43] <JoseeAntonioR> phillw: you
[21:44] <JoseeAntonioR> mentioned Noskcaj he'd have the classroom sessions
[21:44] <phillw> JoseeAntonioR: indeed, I am guilty as charged.... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom#Section_3
[21:45] <JoseeAntonioR> oh, you meant the past sessions
[21:45] <JoseeAntonioR> got it
[21:46] <phillw> it is for a reference, as in what he HAS done, not what he WILL do (although, he WILL be holding classroom sessions again :P )
[21:46] <phillw> as will all of us, plus some new comers :)
[21:48]  * phillw looks at JoseeAntonioR and listens to SergioMeneses laughing :D
[21:48] <SergioMeneses> hey!
[21:49] <SergioMeneses> phillw, why?
[21:49] <phillw> SergioMenesesthe aren't that bad to do (classroom sessions), are they?
[21:50] <SergioMeneses> phillw, I don't know
[21:50] <phillw> where you not there for  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom#Section_4 SergioMeneses?
[21:50] <phillw> has you listed!
[21:51] <SergioMeneses> :O
[21:51] <phillw> Don't tell me you got a 'sick note; from your mummy and chickened out :P
[21:54] <SergioMeneses> phillw, what is wrong?
[21:58] <phillw> SergioMeneses you where on those classroom sessions ?!!!
[22:01] <SergioMeneses> phillw, yes, testing on laptops
[22:09] <SergioMeneses> phillw, why are you asking that?
[22:28] <SergioMeneses> phillw, ?
[22:31] <phillw> SergioMeneses that was answered on ##phillw earlier?
[22:31] <phillw> stop confusing me as switch from chromium over to Ffox as my main browser!
[22:31] <SergioMeneses> phillw, lol
[22:31] <SergioMeneses> ok