[06:08] Good morning [06:45] good morning [06:45] good morning [06:46] bonjour jibel [06:47] bonjour pitti [07:59] Noskcaj: Are you here? [08:04] smartboyhw, yeah? [08:05] Noskcaj: PM? [08:05] sure === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|afk [12:06] is there anybody who enjoys debugging test failures and wants to get their hands dirty? [12:06] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bugs?field.tag=moz-test-regression [12:06] ;) === _salem is now known as salem_ === stgraber_ is now known as stgraber [15:54] phillw: How ya doing today? [15:55] hi smartboyhw I'm well, how's things with you? [15:55] phillw: good:) === salem_ is now known as _salem [16:27] jibel, is there any way to find out the binary package version installed for autopkgtest runs? i can find the source package version in the test logs. it seems that the test runs fire when there is a new source package, but before the binary packages have built and become available [16:35] ~~ [16:36] chrisccoulson, oh right, looking at the logs for run #149 of firefox-trunk version of the source package is firefox-trunk 23.0~a1~hg20130407r127941-0ubuntu1~umd1 and version of the binary is firefox-trunk 23.0~a1~hg20130405r127690-0ubuntu1~umd1 [16:36] hmmm [16:37] chrisccoulson, okay, I've an idea how to fix that. thanks for pointing this out. [16:40] jibel, awesome, thanks === _salem is now known as salem_ [17:14] morning! [17:14] smartboyhw, phillw \o === salem_ is now known as _salem === _salem is now known as salem_ [17:34] hiyas SergioMeneses [19:11] balloons: you have mail :) [19:12] * balloons looks [19:21] jejeje [19:21] phillw, \o\ [19:22] SergioMenesesit looks a bit of a mess :( [20:08] bah, nosckaj isn't about [20:09] phillw, my thoughts are 1500 and 1499 are not the same [20:09] 1465 is supposed to be for the small changes for ppc for netboot [20:10] we can easily re-assign testcases to products if they are incorrect of course.. [20:10] in this case, I need the ppc testers help.. === salem_ is now known as _salem === _salem is now known as salem_ [20:19] balloons: what is the difference between 1499 and 1500 ? apart from we do actually check that tasksel is there on 1500 (always a good move). [20:23] as for 1465 it is now an extension of 1499 (does the system re-boot), 1500 (we do actually have tasksel) and 1465 which says 'now install what you want'. I'm all for 1500, but what has 1465 got to do with testing the mini-iso has installed? [20:23] I can just as easily follow up 1500 and put ubuntu-unity on it? [20:25] let me just go and pull in the 13.04 tasksel to see what it offers :) [20:27] balloons: It would be a good idea anyway, as I need to check it still offers LAMP :) [20:28] balloons: I suggest you install it and see the number of choices :D [20:29] phillw, the difference is booting [20:29] one uses a mini iso [20:29] the other uses a tarball and grub entry [20:30] An application test case would be more fitting... launch it, offer how to navigate it, and then let a user flag up if one of the 42 options do not work. [20:32] balloons: are you refering to 1501? [20:37] balloons: ahh, 1500 ... yup, good application test, but it does assume you have a running system to edit the grub on. This is not really testing does the debian network iso actually work on a virgin system? As it is marked mandatory, it would mean that if the iso installs perfectly on a machine, it would not get passed because no one has carried out that test. Thus, it is, at best 'optional'. [20:38] same as the pxe test also requires a running machine in order to tell it where to get the image from. If you have a blank formatted hard drive.... you cannot use either. [20:38] IIRC, pxe is more used on VM's than actual kit? [20:39] or on machines with a /boot partition which holds the minimal amount to actually get to "where do I boot from" :D [20:42] balloons: I recall a similar discussion, when things went a bit crazy at 12.10 release. we could not test all the 'madatory' test cases for ppc-server, simply because we did not have the equipment, it was none other than the guy who 'looks after' mini/netboot who said that as long as it boots and runs, that is enough for the iso-tracker...... [20:55] if you want to remove the tests as mandatory, that's also an option :-) [21:01] balloons: I'll bounce the idea off colin watson, I cannot see him having an issue. the mini-netboot iso's simply 'arrive' from debian. Are you okay to have the mini-iso / netboot iso check to see that tasksel is actually there? [21:01] I do think that is quite vital! [21:01] check that you get a tasksel? [21:01] why wouldn't you? I certainly hope you would :-) [21:04] the testing tracker is missing beta 2 [21:04] I will have a look through the test-cases and ensure that the check for task-sel does only list the options and not actually install anything (I am pretty darn sure that 1500 does this. [21:06] balloons: as second point with using mini/netboot we only offer 'use entire disk', do you want me to check on if it supports side by side as an option? [21:07] he he, i now have the daily mini-iso on my dedicated server.... let me try that command again on my own computer..... darn these windows! [21:08] Noskcaj: you have a good point! [21:09] I'm really scoring 0% on my observency checks this evening! [21:10] phillw, for mini-iso it's not really a daily. it will randomly update. i've seen it update 3 times a day once [21:10] Noskcaj: all the beta 2's for the flavours are on http://phillw.net/isos/ [21:11] Noskcaj: we were discussing that some of mandatory test cases, are not. [21:11] phillw, i'm able to get them, i'm just surprised they aren't on the tracker. [21:11] I'll let balloons go and check with the -release team where the Beta 2 entry went :D [21:11] ok [21:12] Noskcaj, yea, I noticed it was gone also [21:12] it was misplaced as archived [21:12] I think stephane may have gone AFK. [21:12] i'll fix it now [21:12] on the topic of the testcases, why do only kubuntu and ubuntu have lvm + encryption [21:12] done :-) [21:13] Noskcaj: I'm sure I saw it on lubuntu? It is part of ubiquity which we all share? [21:13] phillw, yeah [21:14] well, not ubiquity, as that is the GUI.. but the script for part-man [21:19] Noskcaj: the mini-isos arrive as per release from debian, there has been one occaission when the -release team did not update the iso-tracker. And knowing full well "Sod's Law" it was the day when one of the L-QA team installed the iso, and it failed :D [21:20] for anyone willing to help, i'm working on a magazine article foe xubuntu at http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-articles-testing [21:21] Noskcaj: well, you have the classroom sessions; along with news of what did not work in 12.10 and will be resolved in 13.04 :) [21:22] also, i'm going for membership. can someone have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj [21:37] Noskcaj: I've added mine, but it does need a bit of 'tidying up' :) [21:37] (not my refernce... the page). [21:37] phillw, yeah, i'll work on that soon [21:43] phillw: classroom sessions, you said? [21:43] JoseeAntonioR: who did?> [21:43] phillw: you [21:44] mentioned Noskcaj he'd have the classroom sessions [21:44] JoseeAntonioR: indeed, I am guilty as charged.... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom#Section_3 [21:45] oh, you meant the past sessions [21:45] got it [21:46] it is for a reference, as in what he HAS done, not what he WILL do (although, he WILL be holding classroom sessions again :P ) [21:46] as will all of us, plus some new comers :) [21:48] * phillw looks at JoseeAntonioR and listens to SergioMeneses laughing :D [21:48] hey! [21:49] phillw, why? [21:49] SergioMenesesthe aren't that bad to do (classroom sessions), are they? [21:50] phillw, I don't know [21:50] where you not there for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom#Section_4 SergioMeneses? [21:50] has you listed! [21:51] :O [21:51] Don't tell me you got a 'sick note; from your mummy and chickened out :P [21:54] phillw, what is wrong? [21:58] SergioMeneses you where on those classroom sessions ?!!! [22:01] phillw, yes, testing on laptops [22:09] phillw, why are you asking that? === salem_ is now known as _salem [22:28] phillw, ? [22:31] SergioMeneses that was answered on ##phillw earlier? [22:31] stop confusing me as switch from chromium over to Ffox as my main browser! [22:31] phillw, lol [22:31] ok