[02:17] Not sure if any of you own or intend to own a Samsung smart TV anytime soon... [02:17] (They're really quite brilliant.) [02:17] But spare a thought for us Channel Islanders who are denied services because of where we live :) [02:18] http://www.techblo.gg/?p=203 [02:18] No 4oD or Demand 5 for us! Yet if I VPN out via England, BAM! They suddenly appear [02:23] have a good week all :> [06:26] [06:44] hello sebsebseb, not seen you active for a while [07:47] nice to see the first phone app to land on the desktop [07:49] SuperMatt: oh? [07:49] friends [07:49] !info friends raring [07:49] friends (source: friends): Social integration with the desktop. In component main, is extra. Version 0.1.3daily13.04.05-0ubuntu1 (raring), package size 15 kB, installed size 80 kB [07:50] installed the package, how do I run it? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [07:51] uhm, I just searched and ran gwibber, but it came up with friends instead [07:52] hello all [07:54] just runs gwibber for me [07:54] oh, weird [07:54] wonder how I got it :/ [07:54] popey probably knows what is going on [07:54] !info friends-app raring [07:54] friends-app (source: friends-app): Aggregator for all your social network accounts. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.90.0bzr13.04.05-0ubuntu1 (raring), package size 58 kB, installed size 271 kB (Only available for amd64; i386; armhf) [07:55] well, I've turned it off for now. I prefer my things in browser [07:56] * AlanBell runs friends app [07:57] is it a proper contacts integration? [07:57] and gets a notification for every tweet mentioning me evar [07:57] with unparsed HTML around links [07:59] it just has a blank window so far, maybe when it finishes doing all the notifications it will have some content [08:00] tweets are going back in time, now at last years BBQ and heading towards oggcamp === alexis is now known as Guest38495 [08:06] SuperMatt: did it give you a functional timeline in the end when it stopped doing notifications? [08:06] yeah, it did [08:06] ah, just restarted and I have a timeline now [08:06] though it wouldn't give me a timeline of just replies [08:07] the buttons at the bottom look grey and disabled, but they are active [08:08] theming is something that's being worked on at the moment, I think === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [08:11] firefox 20 [08:11] does it fix the crashing in 19? [08:11] I haven't had any crashes thus far [08:13] does it fix the problem with hangouts where the video freezes, then the browser freezes? [08:13] no idea [08:25] friends re-notifies me about stuff.. just got a load of happy birthday notifications from last week [08:25] (which I have already seen) [08:26] Morning all [08:27] friends isn't refreshing at all for me, it has all the mentions and a few tweets from half an hour ago [08:28] and having a refresh button means it doesn't use the streaming API [08:29] popey: I had that issue with friends over the weekend, it was notifying me of all direct messages since the year dot [08:30] But wasn't notifying me of current things [08:30] I filed some bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/friends-app [08:31] Bug 1166052 certainly affects me [08:31] bug 1166052 in friends-app (Ubuntu) "notifies on startup of every tweet ever directed at you" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1166052 [08:32] * DJones ticks affects me [08:33] I have no idea if that is a useful place to file those bugs [08:35] Most of the time I'm using polly, but I wanted to go back to friends because the window size is more configurable than polly & fits my screen better [08:38] I had my mum panicing over the weekend, she uses Win7 and has MSN to keep in touch with people but uses Pidgin rather than WLM, she wanted to know how to change to SKype and how it would affect her, no matter how many times I pointed out that the only people she has on MSN are my wife & myself who also use GTalk (and we'd stopped using MSN anyway) she still couldn't understand that Pidgin would carry on working the same as before [08:43] RemasterSys hasn't copied my user account over, can I manually put /home/username into /etc/skel to achieve this? [08:45] * Laney gets spammed by ancient notifications [08:45] s/notifications/mentions/ [08:45] I only have facebook attached to friends so i can test the mobile version of the facebook app [08:49] now i'm only seeing the most recent two tweets [08:50] friends appears to have no menus, no options, no nothing I have no idea how to do anything with it other than look at it [08:50] can you drag up from the bottom [08:50] you add the accounts in "online accounts" [08:50] no, it has a bottom bar, with top, refresh post in it [08:51] ah, online accounts, right [08:51] hmm [08:51] i pressed refresh and a couple of new tweets came up, clicked "two new tweets" and they went away again /o\ [08:52] refresh does nothing for me, I can drag down and it says release to refresh, but it doesn't [08:53] ah, they were there - it just was scrolled down [08:53] I sent a tweet and it received a few recent ones [08:53] not sure facebook is working [08:54] it's giving me a characters remaining countdown for a facebook status :) [08:55] Just having a flash of inspiration, does friends show newest tweets at the top or the bottom of the window? If its bottom, that could be why I wasn't seeing any new tweets [08:55] i'm not sure it scrolls up for you [08:55] but they come at the top [08:56] Logically, I'd expect them at the top, but was just a thought [08:56] there was a bug where it was ordered incorrectly [08:56] but i believe that's fixed now [08:56] * Laney hopes it gets list support [08:56] I'll have to give it another try when I get home [08:58] had another somewhat funny go at my landlord this morning about his part in getting my neighbours kids taken away [08:58] yeah, just seems the "1 new update" thing doesn't scroll up when you click it, so you have to do that yourself [08:58] Somewhat funny go? [08:59] Told him he was disgusting and that those repair issues most definitely played a part in having their kids taken away, he said he'd told them to tidy up and that he'd have done the repairs if it was tidy, asked me if I'd been in there and if I would like to have kids living in there, I asked how the place being untidy stopped him from clearing the drains outside causing 2" deep sewage water to build up outside their front door, he had nothing to say. [09:00] Happy International Day of the Roma! :-D [09:29] * Laney is lulled to sleep by HMRC's hold music [09:32] bah, tried installing rainy on my machine, 10.04 is too old :( [09:47] 24 minutes on hold so far [09:51] ouch [10:05] wee [10:06] poo [10:06] Morning all [10:10] https://www.dropbox.com/s/4fcu26n9e9m21vz/Rec_2013-04-08-%2811-00-16%29.3gp you know you've got a slumlord when... [10:14] he just walked away? [10:14] good morning everyone, [10:14] popey: yup [10:14] no oven since I moved in back in November [10:15] morning brobostigon [10:15] ☹ [10:15] morning davmor2 [10:15] why do you stay there Azelphur ? [10:15] mungbean: locked in to 6 month AST, as soon as it's over I'm out. [10:15] (couldn't watch 3gp on my pc), [10:15] but he's in breach of contract from other things u said [10:15] totem barfed it, mplayer played it here [10:16] mungbean: yea, I'm not sure if that allows me to just leave or not, lawyer hasn't been answering the phone :( [10:16] vlc for the win [10:17] popey: did you hear what he did yesterday? [10:17] no [10:17] Azelphur: citizens advice bureau? [10:18] did he break in an eat your easter eggs? [10:18] mungbean: they say it's not what they do and put me onto shelter, who put me onto legal aid, who don't answer the phone :D [10:18] \o/ [10:18] easter hols [10:18] popey: my neighbours are in a much worse repair state than me, sewage flooding due to blocked drains, bed bug infestation since they moved in, mould in the walls thanks to the flooding [10:19] they filed a health and safety claim like me, so in retaliation the landlord called child protective services and reported them for having kids in an unsafe environment (you know, the one that he caused by negligence) they had their kids taken away [10:19] came home one night to the parents outside crying [10:20] wow [10:22] yea, did what I could for them, I already had the local paper come out to do an article on the LL, so I called them and told them to come back and speak to that family too [10:23] I want to do everything in my power to either stop him from trading altogether, or to make people aware of his activity so they can avoid [10:25] I love their website, they have a chart which boasts how they only bothered to collect 7% of rent owed xD [10:35] ninja carded by royal mail :( [10:36] /o\ [10:36] haha, I like that one, ninja carded [10:36] hp touchpad replacement battery arrvied today. hope it fixes my tablet problem :S [10:37] I was once carded by city link. I'd stayed in all day, sat in the living room. head the tink of the mailbox and ran straight to the door. The city link guy hadn't even bothered to take the package out of his van, and had literally just walked up to the door with the card [10:37] when I caught up with him, he actually had to spend ages in the back of the van to find the parcel [10:37] haha, naughty [10:38] That's the one thing that most puts me off the idea of a job where I'd work from home [10:38] he also deliberately parked quite a way from our door so we wouldn't see the van [10:38] I'd suddenly join this group of people who have trouble having packages delivered === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [10:38] You know what I found out the other day? [10:39] Coop accepts parcels from Amazon [10:39] and my nearest is a mere 50m away [10:39] now that useful, the nhs sending out reminders of appointments via sms, [10:40] I don't think they all do it, yet :( [10:40] though it's a step up from all the times I've not recieved letters about appointments [10:41] SuperMatt: maybe they only do it for people with certain problems, like autism. [10:41] I have a virtualbox install, if I convert the .vdi to a .img file, write it to a usb drive and run grub-install on the usb drive - will it boot the system? [10:41] uhm... [10:41] I... [10:41] BigRedS: i dont get that too much but then I can see the van coming down the road [10:41] maybe? [10:42] popey: I've never had it even when getting stuff delivered to home. But I wonder if I've just not used the 'right' couriers there [10:42] SuperMatt: i have aspergers, and they know i tend to be very forgetful sometimes. so maybe as they know that, thats why they do it.? [10:42] Actually, yeah, I'd just use that Amazon locker thing [10:42] * BigRedS looks for work-from-home jobs [10:42] brobostigon: It's standard where it happens; I got texts from the uni health centre recently without a diagnosis for anything similar. [10:42] I hear there are a number of wfh jobs at canonical [10:43] (Although I *later* got a preliminary diagnosis for aspergers...) [10:43] Darael: ah, i see. that makes sense. [10:43] Darael: welcome to the cool club ;) [10:43] first time they have done it, so was a suprise. [10:45] i can't think what i ordered [10:46] obviously not important then [10:46] It was too large for the letter box apparently ... If I end up travelling all the way to the office for a catalogue :| [10:46] * Laney tries online redelivery === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [10:48] SuperMatt: did you report the guy for the parcel in van trick? [10:48] i wonder how much he does that, and whats the point? must hate his job [10:48] targets [10:48] i wonder enjoy giving parcels to happy geeks [10:48] ^wonder^would [10:49] mungbean: naw, it was aaaages ago [10:49] I'd do it today though [10:49] I was like 16 [10:50] i would imagine he has sufficient non-deliveries to make it more time efficient to walk to the door, ring the bell and go back to the van ready to drive away [10:52] but what satisfaction is there? the next guy has to deliver the parcel [10:52] and creates loads of extra work for everyone [10:53] indeed [10:53] a carrer in public sector awaits [10:53] I don't understand not doing your job so others have to pick up the slack [10:53] all it does is gives the company a bad name and eventually gets you fired [10:53] i suspect it creates extra work on a nominal number of occasions [10:53] popey: sounds like the guy probably made a habit of it [10:53] if he's that blatant [10:54] SuperMatt: surely you don't deliver the parcel, get it to the depot and then the recipient will go there to pick it up? [10:54] not always [10:54] or they arrange it for a day when they will be in, so you get a fairly guaranteed delivery out of it [10:54] for a lot of people in central london, they just don't have the means of transport to get to most depots [10:54] I've in the past ordered something for delivery to an address that I knew would be unoccupied so that I could get it from the depot the next day [10:55] Laney: except for the fact that you were already in the first time they didn't deliever ;) [10:55] they didn't know that [10:55] no, but they shouldn't be assuming it in the first place [10:55] from their POV redeliveries are more likely to be successful [10:55] that you wouldn't be in, that is [10:55] SuperMatt: I'd have thought that most of the people who live in central london have a work address they could get stuff delivered to [10:55] i'm trying to guess why it might be happening as it is [10:55] no its pure work-dodging laziness [10:56] [citation needed] [10:56] :) [10:56] what I tend to do these days is call up on the morning I'm getting something delievered and confirm that I'm in. That message gets related to the courier so they can't claim I'm not in [10:56] *relayed [10:56] i would assume that it's driven by difficult targets [10:56] get a neighbour you can trust, then write "leave with neighbour" on all deliveries [10:57] finish your round in X hours that can't be done if you wait around for each person not to be in [10:57] well now coop accepts amazon delieveries, all my stuff is going there [10:57] really? [10:57] yup [10:57] my wife is a mum-at-home so no need [10:57] but handy [10:57] also get stuff delivered to work if necessary [10:57] mostly the radioactive stuff [10:57] http://www.co-operativefood.co.uk/whats-hot/Amazon-Lockers/ [10:58] mungbean: if necessary? Why wouldn't that be the default? [10:58] because my wife is at home [10:58] I always thought my local pub, somewhere that I actually talk to the staff, would be a good place to get stuff delievered [10:58] and i got a heavy book and a tablet battery delivered today [10:58] yeah, but if you miss any deliveries at all at home surely it's worthwhile just getting it sent to work? [10:58] can't use them until i'm home [10:58] ah, unless you're commute isn't powered by engines [10:59] we don't miss any at home [10:59] Oh [11:00] oh dang it [11:00] my local coop *doesn't* offer the locker service :( === RadiumCat is now known as PsychoCandy [11:01] although there is one *relatively* close [11:10] how much space does ubuntu server 12.04 need? [11:10] for a basic vm [11:11] mungbean: Three unitless Sergeis. [11:11] talking of sergeis , i need to claim my meerkat [11:11] More seriously, it depends on the meaning of "a basic VM". [11:11] standard ubuntu server install [11:12] minimin space requirements [11:12] mungbean: how long is a piece of string, the base install is pretty small but if you add any services and a db it will grow and grow [11:12] yeah, just gonna be my rainy server [11:12] but i have thick provisioned disk on a limited sapce [11:12] wondering if 10gb or 15gb [11:12] mungbean: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements [11:13] mungbean: The page linked above recommends a minimum of 1GB for a server install. [11:13] mungbean: 10GB should be plenty if it's not *doing* much. [11:13] i chose 15gb , i might end of using it more [11:13] ta [11:14] mungbean: you know there is this wonderful thing called google it has most of the answers if you type them in ;) [11:16] davmor2: WITCHCRAFT! [11:20] Tesco's Finest rye cobbler ♥ almost like San Francisco sourdough [11:23] * Laney sees Touch now has a calculator app [11:23] * Laney writes 58008 [11:23] * Laney sniggers [11:29] ERROR: powertemp.rrd: illegal attempt to update using time 1365420386 when last update time is 1365420592 (minimum one second step) [11:29] well thats odd [11:29] Laney: is yours still working? [11:29] wonder if it doesn't like the time change, but I'd have expected failure a week ago [11:29] perhaps ntp just fiddled the time [11:30] when did it stop? [11:30] http://home.orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/ seems alright to me [11:30] just a few minutes ago [11:30] very suspicious [11:30] i logged in, installed juju, lxc and a few other bits and suddenly got that [11:33] your time has gone backwards, i guess that's the problem [11:33] i suspect ntp corrected it [11:36] yeah [11:36] * popey waited until 1365420592 passed [11:36] its fine now [11:37] never seen it do that before, although it could conceivably have done it when I'm not looking! [11:39] * Laney was amazed that the panda running those graphs stayed up for his whole two week holiday [11:39] (just you watch it go down now) [11:40] also that his dodgy C program which drives rrdtool hasn't crashed [11:55] * Laney sets up a subscribe & save for tea \o/ [11:57] * DJones watches the breaking news that Baroness Thatcher has passed away. [12:00] http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk/ confirmed [12:00] very tasteful [12:02] I personally found that less useful than the single use site which reminded me to buy a snow shovel [12:04] popey: http://www.unicodesnowmanforyou.com/ [12:04] that also is a good one [12:04] Haha === PsychoCandy is now known as RadiumCat [12:06] popey: having to hear her voice repeatedly in the obit package being played out on bbc's one o'clock news is pretty grating [12:06] There's an alarmingly large number of facebook likes on that page [12:10] people can be cruel [12:15] SuperMatt: There is a lot of Hate for Mrs T, but equally there is as much Love. Personally I'm in the hate group but am still sorry that she died :) [12:16] I am wondering why I can't see this on my mom's wishlist http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00071DOU0 [12:18] SuperMatt: she evoked tremendously strong feelings [12:18] !politics [12:18] Please take political discussion to ##politics-uk. Thank you! [12:18] \o/ [12:19] :) [12:19] when someone steals your school milk, i believe that transcends "politics". [12:19] I want my milk back! :) [12:19] i wonder if there's a ##milk [12:20] popey: Blame DJones he started it then blame yourself for continuing it :P then work down the rest of the list :) [12:20] hehe [12:20] davmor2: I'd don't accept any blame, I didn't mention politics [12:21] if sabdfl ever stands for office somewhere, we're pooched! :) [12:22] I dunno, I think he'd be quite liberal, and all for not taxing disabled people for the gaul of having a spare room in a house that they were assigned [12:23] but then one day we'd wake up and we'll all be driving on the right [12:23] yeah, but ... politics ;) [12:23] the right side is the left side! [12:23] (talking about roads, not politics) [12:24] actually, left is indeed the better side to drive on [12:24] more people are "right eyed" which means assessing oncoming traffic is "easier" when driving on the left [12:24] as a right handed smoker, i have to agree [12:24] *most [12:25] also, many people mount bikes and horses from the left, which means you're facing the right way when you start riding [12:25] which is why we started driving on the left in the first place [12:25] everyone else is just silly === SirCrispinTheJew is now known as GentileBen [12:30] QUESTION: Five minutes have past, and I am captious as to why my query has not been answered in the usu. way :: :| http://yhoo.it/XnIWDy [12:31] wat? [12:31] also [12:31] wat? [12:32] durrr [12:32] My Mother's wishlist is not publishing correctly. [12:32] oh it's redtape [12:32] hurrr === G|Linuxusrmyriad is now known as redtape|renegade [12:33] You asked a question and linked to a book, not the wishlist in question, then link to a random youtube Q&A..? [12:34] although your first thing was actually a statement, not a question [12:34] followed by another "not a question" [12:36] leaves. [12:36] ummm [12:37] confused [12:37] welcome to the club [12:37] i wonder about that boy sometimes === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:38] popey: http://www.lastucase.com/ time to get a case for the iphone? :-P [12:39] pretty! [12:39] ah man I forgot pulseaudio crashed last night [12:39] i have a bumper on it at the moment [12:39] no audio for the Witch is Dead video [12:40] ooh [12:40] definitely a decorative rather than protective case [12:40] well, yes. [12:40] i can't be bothered with cases usually, makes it annoying to dock [12:40] unless you consider it protecting from some scratches [12:41] indeed, thats the problem i have [12:41] with the bumper on, none of my accessories work with it [12:41] not sure if i dig the ipad or macbook sticky things [12:41] but anyway, a) Finnish b) "Purchase a 'Lastu product, and support sustainability with us! We pledge 5 euros towards tree planting for each product we sell - greening Africa together, one tree at a time." [12:41] ooh [12:41] nice [12:42] evernote : what do you get for free, what do u pay for? [12:42] mungbean: https://evernote.com/premium/ [12:43] offline notebooks [12:44] I should continue learning ruby so I'd have some chance of programming my own apps since nobody ever seems to to the ones I want [12:44] what apps do you want? [12:44] i used evernote for a while [12:44] can't recall what annoyed me about it now [12:45] is the message format weird or anythin? [12:45] message? [12:45] note [12:45] it's a document store [12:45] notes are "rich text" [12:45] i dont think you "see" that [12:45] are the notes stored in readable text [12:45] but yeah it's not exposed as a filesystem [12:45] readble with their client [12:45] ah, because its an online client [12:46] gonna spin up a rainy server for continuation of tomboy then [12:46] web or native app [12:46] well no, the notes are local [12:46] and synced to the cloud [12:46] much like tomboy actually [12:46] yup, that [12:46] so wherever you can get a client, you can see and organise your stuff [12:46] hmm, load average 41 on my microserver [12:46] less than ideal [12:46] depends what it's doing [12:47] iowait or just raw load? [12:47] "Lots" [12:47] lots of IO wait actually [12:47] i've seen load avg in the thousands before but the server still responds [12:47] must have been a reasonably compelling reason to stop using it though popey [12:47] yeah, its responsive enough, just "quite busy" :D [12:48] 12 btrfs scrub processes ☺ [12:48] oof [12:49] there's a chrome & android app called scratchpad - anyone used? syncs with google drive [12:50] it's a google product, i wouldn't trust it to last :) [12:50] i notice the winky ;) but its using google drive, not a google product [12:51] lasted longer than u1 sync :( [12:51] um [12:51] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/scratchpad/kjebfhglflhjjjiceimfkgicifkhjlnm?hl=en [12:51] "By Google" [12:51] oh [12:51] Google Stopping Development of ‘Scratchpad’ Note Taking App [12:51] rofl!! [12:52] new version released feb 2013 though [12:52] maybe they resumed [12:52] mungbean has the kiss of death to all apps [12:52] * mungbean cries [12:52] rainy it is [12:52] steering away from evernote [12:53] since i have my own public server to play with, [12:53] a little worried about security of rainy though [12:53] ssh sync isn't bad [12:53] i thought it had fundamental flaw the same as file sync [12:53] at least it's a known security method [12:54] since it uses sshfs [12:54] hence similar to just using ubuntuone/dropbox to do file sync [12:54] not really [12:54] happy to be corrected. [12:54] ssh sync doesn't try to be clever with conflicts like dropbox/u1 do [12:55] so is more of a known quantity [12:55] hence avoids the problem u had with file sync? [12:55] one of the issues [12:55] ssh sync needs passwordless ssh key setup? [12:55] it needs ssh key [12:56] don't think this will work with tomdroid app though [12:56] it wont [12:56] tomdroid doesn't support ssh sync [12:56] supports rainy now [12:59] Good afternoon peeps :) [13:04] noon [13:04] Somewhat after [13:09] sshfs sync seemed to go quite smoothly [13:11] goodbye tomdroid :( [13:12] maybe i can write a script to copy notes to sd card when i connect my phone [13:12] or port the ssh sync stuff to tomdroid ? :D [13:15] i don't have teh skillz anymore [13:15] they atrophied and withered [13:16] I've been flexing my pythong muscles recently [13:16] tomdroid is readonly so i could get my android to sync a dropbox folder regularly [13:16] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ttxapps.dropsync&hl=en [13:17] SuperMatt: with email notifications? [13:19] bigcalm: oh yes! [13:19] one sec... [13:21] bigcalm: http://www.supermatt.net/?attachment_id=4856 [13:22] ignore the fact that thunderbird is open, I was just ensuring I had some unread emails to report on [13:23] wow look at you with no folders [13:23] I just whack everything in to archives [13:23] I only have to press a [13:24] and then get thunderbird to cache it all [13:26]