[02:17] <daftykins> Not sure if any of you own or intend to own a Samsung smart TV anytime soon...
[02:17] <daftykins> (They're really quite brilliant.)
[02:17] <daftykins> But spare a thought for us Channel Islanders who are denied services because of where we live :)
[02:18] <daftykins> http://www.techblo.gg/?p=203
[02:18] <daftykins> No 4oD or Demand 5 for us! Yet if I VPN out via England, BAM! They suddenly appear
[02:23] <daftykins> have a good week all :>
[06:26] <sebsebseb>  
[06:44] <ikonia> hello sebsebseb, not seen you active for a while
[07:47] <SuperMatt> nice to see the first phone app to land on the desktop
[07:49] <AlanBell> SuperMatt: oh?
[07:49] <SuperMatt> friends
[07:49] <AlanBell> !info friends raring
[07:50] <AlanBell> installed the package, how do I run it?
[07:51] <SuperMatt> uhm, I just searched and ran gwibber, but it came up with friends instead
[07:52] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:54] <AlanBell> just runs gwibber for me
[07:54] <SuperMatt> oh, weird
[07:54] <SuperMatt> wonder how I got it :/
[07:54] <AlanBell> popey probably knows what is going on
[07:54] <Nafallo> !info friends-app raring
[07:55] <SuperMatt> well, I've turned it off for now. I prefer my things in browser
[07:56]  * AlanBell runs friends app
[07:57] <ali1234> is it a proper contacts integration?
[07:57] <AlanBell> and gets a notification for every tweet mentioning me evar
[07:57] <AlanBell> with unparsed HTML around links
[07:59] <AlanBell> it just has a blank window so far, maybe when it finishes doing all the notifications it will have some content
[08:00] <AlanBell> tweets are going back in time, now at last years BBQ and heading towards oggcamp
[08:06] <AlanBell> SuperMatt: did it give you a functional timeline in the end when it stopped doing notifications?
[08:06] <SuperMatt> yeah, it did
[08:06] <AlanBell> ah, just restarted and I have a timeline now
[08:06] <SuperMatt> though it wouldn't give me a timeline of just replies
[08:07] <AlanBell> the buttons at the bottom look grey and disabled, but they are active
[08:08] <SuperMatt> theming is something that's being worked on at the moment, I think
[08:11] <ali1234> firefox 20
[08:11] <ali1234> does it fix the crashing in 19?
[08:11] <SuperMatt> I haven't had any crashes thus far
[08:13] <ali1234> does it fix the problem with hangouts where the video freezes, then the browser freezes?
[08:13] <SuperMatt> no idea
[08:25] <popey> friends re-notifies me about stuff.. just got a load of happy birthday notifications from last week
[08:25] <popey> (which I have already seen)
[08:26] <DJones> Morning all
[08:27] <AlanBell> friends isn't refreshing at all for me, it has all the mentions and a few tweets from half an hour ago
[08:28] <AlanBell> and having a refresh button means it doesn't use the streaming API
[08:29] <DJones> popey: I had that issue with friends over the weekend, it was notifying me of all direct messages since the year dot
[08:30] <DJones> But wasn't notifying me of current things
[08:30] <AlanBell> I filed some bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/friends-app
[08:31] <DJones> Bug 1166052 certainly affects me
[08:32]  * DJones ticks affects me
[08:33] <AlanBell> I have no idea if that is a useful place to file those bugs
[08:35] <DJones> Most of the time I'm using polly, but I wanted to go back to friends because the window size is more configurable than polly & fits my screen better
[08:38] <DJones> I had my mum panicing over the weekend, she uses Win7 and has MSN to keep in touch with people but uses Pidgin rather than WLM, she wanted to know how to change to SKype and how it would affect her, no matter how many times I pointed out that the only people she has on MSN are my wife & myself who also use GTalk (and we'd stopped using MSN anyway) she still couldn't understand that Pidgin would carry on working the same as before
[08:43] <kvarley> RemasterSys hasn't copied my user account over, can I manually put /home/username into /etc/skel to achieve this?
[08:45]  * Laney gets spammed by ancient notifications
[08:45] <Laney> s/notifications/mentions/
[08:45] <popey> I only have facebook attached to friends so i can test the mobile version of the facebook app
[08:49] <Laney> now i'm only seeing the most recent two tweets
[08:50] <AlanBell> friends appears to have no menus, no options, no nothing I have no idea how to do anything with it other than look at it
[08:50] <popey> can you drag up from the bottom
[08:50] <Laney> you add the accounts in "online accounts"
[08:50] <AlanBell> no, it has a bottom bar, with top, refresh post in it
[08:51] <AlanBell> ah, online accounts, right
[08:51] <Laney> hmm
[08:51] <Laney> i pressed refresh and a couple of new tweets came up, clicked "two new tweets" and they went away again /o\
[08:52] <AlanBell> refresh does nothing for me, I can drag down and it says release to refresh, but it doesn't
[08:53] <Laney> ah, they were there - it just was scrolled down
[08:53] <AlanBell> I sent a tweet and it received a few recent ones
[08:53] <Laney> not sure facebook is working
[08:54] <Laney> it's giving me a characters remaining countdown for a facebook status :)
[08:55] <DJones> Just having a flash of inspiration, does friends show newest tweets at the top or the bottom of the window? If its bottom, that could be why I wasn't seeing any new tweets
[08:55] <Laney> i'm not sure it scrolls up for you
[08:55] <Laney> but they come at the top
[08:56] <DJones> Logically, I'd expect them at the top, but was just a thought
[08:56] <popey> there was a bug where it was ordered incorrectly
[08:56] <popey> but i believe that's fixed now
[08:56]  * Laney hopes it gets list support
[08:56] <DJones> I'll have to give it another try when I get home
[08:58] <Azelphur> had another somewhat funny go at my landlord this morning about his part in getting my neighbours kids taken away
[08:58] <Laney> yeah, just seems the "1 new update" thing doesn't scroll up when you click it, so you have to do that yourself
[08:58] <jacobw> Somewhat funny go?
[08:59] <Azelphur> Told him he was disgusting and that those repair issues most definitely played a part in having their kids taken away, he said he'd told them to tidy up and that he'd have done the repairs if it was tidy, asked me if I'd been in there and if I would like to have kids living in there, I asked how the place being untidy stopped him from clearing the drains outside causing 2" deep sewage water to build up outside their front door, he had nothing to say.
[09:00] <JamesTait> Happy International Day of the Roma! :-D
[09:29]  * Laney is lulled to sleep by HMRC's hold music
[09:32] <mungbean> bah, tried installing rainy on my machine, 10.04 is too old :(
[09:47] <Laney> 24 minutes on hold so far
[09:51] <SuperMatt> ouch
[10:05] <Laney> wee
[10:06] <mungbean> poo
[10:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:10] <Azelphur> https://www.dropbox.com/s/4fcu26n9e9m21vz/Rec_2013-04-08-%2811-00-16%29.3gp you know you've got a slumlord when...
[10:14] <popey> he just walked away?
[10:14] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:14] <Azelphur> popey: yup
[10:14] <Azelphur> no oven since I moved in back in November
[10:15] <davmor2> morning brobostigon
[10:15] <popey> ☹
[10:15] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[10:15] <mungbean> why do you stay there Azelphur ?
[10:15] <Azelphur> mungbean: locked in to 6 month AST, as soon as it's over I'm out.
[10:15] <mungbean> (couldn't watch 3gp on my pc),
[10:15] <mungbean> but he's in breach of contract from other things u said
[10:15] <popey> totem barfed it, mplayer played it here
[10:16] <Azelphur> mungbean: yea, I'm not sure if that allows me to just leave or not, lawyer hasn't been answering the phone :(
[10:16] <davmor2> vlc for the win
[10:17] <Azelphur> popey: did you hear what he did yesterday?
[10:17] <popey> no
[10:17] <mungbean> Azelphur: citizens advice bureau?
[10:18] <mungbean> did he break in an eat your easter eggs?
[10:18] <Azelphur> mungbean: they say it's not what they do and put me onto shelter, who put me onto legal aid, who don't answer the phone :D
[10:18] <mungbean> \o/
[10:18] <mungbean> easter hols
[10:18] <Azelphur> popey: my neighbours are in a much worse repair state than me, sewage flooding due to blocked drains, bed bug infestation since they moved in, mould in the walls thanks to the flooding
[10:19] <Azelphur> they filed a health and safety claim like me, so in retaliation the landlord called child protective services and reported them for having kids in an unsafe environment (you know, the one that he caused by negligence) they had their kids taken away
[10:19] <Azelphur> came home one night to the parents outside crying
[10:20] <mungbean> wow
[10:22] <Azelphur> yea, did what I could for them, I already had the local paper come out to do an article on the LL, so I called them and told them to come back and speak to that family too
[10:23] <Azelphur> I want to do everything in my power to either stop him from trading altogether, or to make people aware of his activity so they can avoid
[10:25] <Azelphur> I love their website, they have a chart which boasts how they only bothered to collect 7% of rent owed xD
[10:35] <Laney> ninja carded by royal mail :(
[10:36] <SuperMatt> /o\
[10:36] <Azelphur> haha, I like that one, ninja carded
[10:36] <mungbean> hp touchpad replacement battery arrvied today. hope it fixes my tablet problem :S
[10:37] <SuperMatt> I was once carded by city link. I'd stayed in all day, sat in the living room. head the tink of the mailbox and ran straight to the door. The city link guy hadn't even bothered to take the package out of his van, and had literally just walked up to the door with the card
[10:37] <SuperMatt> when I caught up with him, he actually had to spend ages in the back of the van to find the parcel
[10:37] <Azelphur> haha, naughty
[10:38] <BigRedS> That's the one thing that most puts me off the idea of a job where I'd work from home
[10:38] <SuperMatt> he also deliberately parked quite a way from our door so we wouldn't see the van
[10:38] <BigRedS> I'd suddenly join this group of people who have trouble having packages delivered
[10:38] <SuperMatt> You know what I found out the other day?
[10:39] <SuperMatt> Coop accepts parcels from Amazon
[10:39] <SuperMatt> and my nearest is a mere 50m away
[10:39] <brobostigon> now that useful, the nhs sending out reminders of appointments via sms,
[10:40] <SuperMatt> I don't think they all do it, yet :(
[10:40] <SuperMatt> though it's a step up from all the times I've not recieved letters about appointments
[10:41] <brobostigon> SuperMatt: maybe they only do it for people with certain problems, like autism.
[10:41] <kvarley> I have a virtualbox install, if I convert the .vdi to a .img file, write it to a usb drive and run grub-install on the usb drive - will it boot the system?
[10:41] <SuperMatt> uhm...
[10:41] <SuperMatt> I...
[10:41] <popey> BigRedS: i dont get that too much but then I can see the van coming down the road
[10:41] <SuperMatt> maybe?
[10:42] <BigRedS> popey: I've never had it even when getting stuff delivered to home. But I wonder if I've just not used the 'right' couriers there
[10:42] <brobostigon> SuperMatt: i have aspergers, and they know i tend to be very forgetful sometimes. so maybe as they know that, thats why they do it.?
[10:42] <BigRedS> Actually, yeah, I'd just use that Amazon locker thing
[10:42]  * BigRedS looks for work-from-home jobs
[10:42] <Darael> brobostigon: It's standard where it happens; I got texts from the uni health centre recently without a diagnosis for anything similar.
[10:42] <SuperMatt> I hear there are a number of wfh jobs at canonical
[10:43] <Darael> (Although I *later* got a preliminary diagnosis for aspergers...)
[10:43] <brobostigon> Darael: ah, i see. that makes sense.
[10:43] <Azelphur> Darael: welcome to the cool club ;)
[10:43] <brobostigon> first time they have done it, so was a suprise.
[10:45] <Laney> i can't think what i ordered
[10:46] <SuperMatt> obviously not important then
[10:46] <Laney> It was too large for the letter box apparently ... If I end up travelling all the way to the office for a catalogue :|
[10:46]  * Laney tries online redelivery
[10:48] <mungbean> SuperMatt: did you report the guy for the parcel in van trick?
[10:48] <mungbean> i wonder how much he does that, and whats the point? must hate his job
[10:48] <Laney> targets
[10:48] <mungbean> i wonder enjoy giving parcels to happy geeks
[10:48] <mungbean> ^wonder^would
[10:49] <SuperMatt> mungbean: naw, it was aaaages ago
[10:49] <SuperMatt> I'd do it today though
[10:49] <SuperMatt> I was like 16
[10:50] <popey> i would imagine he has sufficient non-deliveries to make it more time efficient to walk to the door, ring the bell and go back to the van ready to drive away
[10:52] <mungbean> but what satisfaction is there? the next guy has to deliver the parcel
[10:52] <mungbean> and creates loads of extra work for everyone
[10:53] <SuperMatt> indeed
[10:53] <mungbean> a carrer in public sector awaits
[10:53] <SuperMatt> I don't understand not doing your job so others have to pick up the slack
[10:53] <SuperMatt> all it does is gives the company a bad name and eventually gets you fired
[10:53] <popey> i suspect it creates extra work on a nominal number of occasions
[10:53] <mungbean> popey: sounds like the guy probably made a habit of it
[10:53] <mungbean> if he's that blatant
[10:54] <BigRedS> SuperMatt: surely you don't deliver the parcel, get it to the depot and then the recipient will go there to pick it up?
[10:54] <SuperMatt> not always
[10:54] <Laney> or they arrange it for a day when they will be in, so you get a fairly guaranteed delivery out of it
[10:54] <SuperMatt> for a lot of people in central london, they just don't have the means of transport to get to most depots
[10:54] <BigRedS> I've in the past ordered something for delivery to an address that I knew would be unoccupied so that I could get it from the depot the next day
[10:55] <SuperMatt> Laney: except for the fact that you were already in the first time they didn't deliever ;)
[10:55] <Laney> they didn't know that
[10:55] <SuperMatt> no, but they shouldn't be assuming it in the first place
[10:55] <Laney> from their POV redeliveries are more likely to be successful
[10:55] <SuperMatt> that you wouldn't be in, that is
[10:55] <BigRedS> SuperMatt: I'd have thought that most of the people who live in central london have a work address they could get stuff delivered to
[10:55] <Laney> i'm trying to guess why it might be happening as it is
[10:55] <mungbean> no its pure work-dodging laziness
[10:56] <BigRedS> [citation needed]
[10:56] <BigRedS> :)
[10:56] <SuperMatt> what I tend to do these days is call up on the morning I'm getting something delievered and confirm that I'm in. That message gets related to the courier so they can't claim I'm not in
[10:56] <SuperMatt> *relayed
[10:56] <Laney> i would assume that it's driven by difficult targets
[10:56] <mungbean> get a neighbour you can trust, then write "leave with neighbour" on all deliveries
[10:57] <Laney> finish your round in X hours that can't be done if you wait around for each person not to be in
[10:57] <SuperMatt> well now coop accepts amazon delieveries, all my stuff is going there
[10:57] <mungbean> really?
[10:57] <SuperMatt> yup
[10:57] <mungbean> my wife is a mum-at-home so no need
[10:57] <mungbean> but handy
[10:57] <mungbean> also get stuff delivered to work if necessary
[10:57] <mungbean> mostly the radioactive stuff
[10:57] <SuperMatt> http://www.co-operativefood.co.uk/whats-hot/Amazon-Lockers/
[10:58] <BigRedS> mungbean: if necessary? Why wouldn't that be the default?
[10:58] <mungbean> because my wife is at home
[10:58] <SuperMatt> I always thought my local pub, somewhere that I actually talk to the staff, would be a good place to get stuff delievered
[10:58] <mungbean> and i got a heavy book and a tablet battery delivered today
[10:58] <BigRedS> yeah, but if you miss any deliveries at all at home surely it's worthwhile just getting it sent to work?
[10:58] <mungbean> can't use them until i'm home
[10:58] <BigRedS> ah, unless you're commute isn't powered by engines
[10:59] <mungbean> we don't miss any at home
[10:59] <BigRedS> Oh
[11:00] <SuperMatt> oh dang it
[11:00] <SuperMatt> my local coop *doesn't* offer the locker service :(
[11:01] <SuperMatt> although there is one *relatively* close
[11:10] <mungbean> how much space does ubuntu server 12.04 need?
[11:10] <mungbean> for a basic vm
[11:11] <Darael> mungbean: Three unitless Sergeis.
[11:11] <mungbean> talking of sergeis , i need to claim my meerkat
[11:11] <Darael> More seriously, it depends on the meaning of "a basic VM".
[11:11] <mungbean> standard ubuntu server install
[11:12] <mungbean> minimin space requirements
[11:12] <davmor2> mungbean: how long is a piece of string, the base install is pretty small but if you add any services and a db it will grow and grow
[11:12] <mungbean> yeah, just gonna be my rainy server
[11:12] <mungbean> but i have thick provisioned disk on a limited sapce
[11:12] <mungbean> wondering if 10gb or 15gb
[11:12] <davmor2> mungbean: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[11:13] <Darael> mungbean: The page linked above recommends a minimum of 1GB for a server install.
[11:13] <Darael> mungbean: 10GB should be plenty if it's not *doing* much.
[11:13] <mungbean> i chose 15gb , i might end of using it more
[11:13] <mungbean> ta
[11:14] <davmor2> mungbean: you know there is this wonderful thing called google it has most of the answers if you type them in ;)
[11:16] <Darael> davmor2: WITCHCRAFT!
[11:20] <Myrtti> Tesco's Finest rye cobbler ♥ almost like San Francisco sourdough
[11:23]  * Laney sees Touch now has a calculator app
[11:23]  * Laney writes 58008
[11:23]  * Laney sniggers
[11:29] <popey> ERROR: powertemp.rrd: illegal attempt to update using time 1365420386 when last update time is 1365420592 (minimum one second step)
[11:29] <popey> well thats odd
[11:29] <popey> Laney: is yours still working?
[11:29] <popey> wonder if it doesn't like the time change, but I'd have expected failure a week ago
[11:29] <popey> perhaps ntp just fiddled the time
[11:30] <Laney> when did it stop?
[11:30] <Laney> http://home.orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/ seems alright to me
[11:30] <popey> just a few minutes ago
[11:30] <popey> very suspicious
[11:30] <popey> i logged in, installed juju, lxc and a few other bits and suddenly got that
[11:33] <Laney> your time has gone backwards, i guess that's the problem
[11:33] <Laney> i suspect ntp corrected it
[11:36] <popey> yeah
[11:36]  * popey waited until 1365420592 passed
[11:36] <popey> its fine now
[11:37] <popey> never seen it do that before, although it could conceivably have done it when I'm not looking!
[11:39]  * Laney was amazed that the panda running those graphs stayed up for his whole two week holiday
[11:39] <Laney> (just you watch it go down now)
[11:40] <Laney> also that his dodgy C program which drives rrdtool hasn't crashed
[11:55]  * Laney sets up a subscribe & save for tea \o/
[11:57]  * DJones watches the breaking news that Baroness Thatcher has passed away. 
[12:00] <popey> http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk/ confirmed
[12:00] <Laney> very tasteful
[12:02] <popey> I personally found that less useful than the single use site which reminded me to buy a snow shovel
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.unicodesnowmanforyou.com/
[12:04] <popey> that also is a good one
[12:04] <kvarley> Haha
[12:06] <neuro> popey: having to hear her voice repeatedly in the obit package being played out on bbc's one o'clock news is pretty grating
[12:06] <BigRedS> There's an alarmingly large number of facebook likes on that page
[12:10] <SuperMatt> people can be cruel
[12:15] <davmor2> SuperMatt: There is a lot of Hate for Mrs T, but equally there is as much Love.  Personally I'm in the hate group but am still sorry that she died :)
[12:16] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> I am wondering why I can't see this on my mom's wishlist http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00071DOU0
[12:18] <neuro> SuperMatt: she evoked tremendously strong feelings
[12:18] <popey> !politics
[12:18] <popey> \o/
[12:19] <brobostigon> :)
[12:19] <neuro> when someone steals your school milk, i believe that transcends "politics".
[12:19] <neuro> I want my milk back! :)
[12:19] <neuro> i wonder if there's a ##milk
[12:20] <davmor2> popey: Blame DJones he started it then blame yourself for continuing it :P then work down the rest of the list :)
[12:20] <neuro> hehe
[12:20] <DJones> davmor2: I'd don't accept any blame, I didn't mention politics
[12:21] <neuro> if sabdfl ever stands for office somewhere, we're pooched! :)
[12:22] <SuperMatt> I dunno, I think he'd be quite liberal, and all for not taxing disabled people for the gaul of having a spare room in a house that they were assigned
[12:23] <SuperMatt> but then one day we'd wake up and we'll all be driving on the right
[12:23] <neuro> yeah, but ... politics ;)
[12:23] <neuro> the right side is the left side!
[12:23] <neuro> (talking about roads, not politics)
[12:24] <SuperMatt> actually, left is indeed the better side to drive on
[12:24] <SuperMatt> more people are "right eyed" which means assessing oncoming traffic is "easier" when driving on the left
[12:24] <neuro> as a right handed smoker, i have to agree
[12:24] <SuperMatt> *most
[12:25] <SuperMatt> also, many people mount bikes and horses from the left, which means you're facing the right way when you start riding
[12:25] <SuperMatt> which is why we started driving on the left in the first place
[12:25] <SuperMatt> everyone else is just silly
[12:30] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> QUESTION: Five minutes have past, and I am  captious as to why my query has not been answered in the usu. way :: :|   http://yhoo.it/XnIWDy
[12:31] <neuro> wat?
[12:31] <popey> also
[12:31] <popey> wat?
[12:32] <Myrtti> durrr
[12:32] <G|Linuxusrmyriad> My Mother's wishlist is not publishing correctly.
[12:32] <Myrtti> oh it's redtape
[12:32] <ali1234> hurrr
[12:33] <popey> You asked a question and linked to a book, not the wishlist in question, then link to a random youtube Q&A..?
[12:34] <popey> although your first thing was actually a statement, not a question
[12:34] <popey> followed by another "not a question"
[12:36] <redtape|renegade> leaves.
[12:36] <neuro> ummm
[12:37] <neuro> confused
[12:37] <Myrtti> welcome to the club
[12:37] <neuro> i wonder about that boy sometimes
[12:38] <Myrtti> popey: http://www.lastucase.com/ time to get a case for the iphone? :-P
[12:39] <popey> pretty!
[12:39] <Myrtti> ah man I forgot pulseaudio crashed last night
[12:39] <popey> i have a bumper on it at the moment
[12:39] <Myrtti> no audio for the Witch is Dead video
[12:40] <neuro> ooh
[12:40] <neuro> definitely a decorative rather than protective case
[12:40] <Myrtti> well, yes.
[12:40] <neuro> i can't be bothered with cases usually, makes it annoying to dock
[12:40] <Myrtti> unless you consider it protecting from some scratches
[12:41] <popey> indeed, thats the problem i have
[12:41] <popey> with the bumper on, none of my accessories work with it
[12:41] <neuro> not sure if i dig the ipad or macbook sticky things
[12:41] <Myrtti> but anyway, a) Finnish b) "Purchase a 'Lastu product, and support sustainability with us! We pledge 5 euros towards tree planting for each product we sell - greening Africa together, one tree at a time."
[12:41] <neuro> ooh
[12:41] <neuro> nice
[12:42] <mungbean> evernote : what do you get for free, what do u pay for?
[12:42] <neuro> mungbean: https://evernote.com/premium/
[12:43] <mungbean> offline notebooks
[12:44] <Myrtti> I should continue learning ruby so I'd have some chance of programming my own apps since nobody ever seems to to the ones I want
[12:44] <neuro> what apps do you want?
[12:44] <popey> i used evernote for a while
[12:44] <popey> can't recall what annoyed me about it now
[12:45] <mungbean> is the message format weird or anythin?
[12:45] <popey> message?
[12:45] <mungbean> note
[12:45] <neuro> it's a document store
[12:45] <neuro> notes are "rich text"
[12:45] <popey> i dont think you "see" that
[12:45] <mungbean> are the notes stored in readable text
[12:45] <neuro> but yeah it's not exposed as a filesystem
[12:45] <popey> readble with their client
[12:45] <mungbean> ah, because its an online client
[12:46] <mungbean> gonna spin up a rainy server for continuation of tomboy then
[12:46] <neuro> web or native app
[12:46] <popey> well no, the notes are local
[12:46] <popey> and synced to the cloud
[12:46] <popey> much like tomboy actually
[12:46] <neuro> yup, that
[12:46] <neuro> so wherever you can get a client, you can see and organise your stuff
[12:46] <popey> hmm, load average 41 on my microserver
[12:46] <popey> less than ideal
[12:46] <neuro> depends what it's doing
[12:47] <neuro> iowait or just raw load?
[12:47] <popey> "Lots"
[12:47] <popey> lots of IO wait actually
[12:47] <neuro> i've seen load avg in the thousands before but the server still responds
[12:47] <mungbean> must have been a reasonably compelling reason to stop using it though popey
[12:47] <popey> yeah, its responsive enough, just "quite busy" :D
[12:48] <popey> 12 btrfs scrub processes ☺
[12:48] <neuro> oof
[12:49] <mungbean> there's a chrome & android app called scratchpad - anyone used? syncs with google drive
[12:50] <neuro> it's a google product, i wouldn't trust it to last :)
[12:50] <mungbean> i notice the winky ;) but its using google drive, not a google product
[12:51] <mungbean> lasted longer than u1 sync :(
[12:51] <neuro> um
[12:51] <neuro> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/scratchpad/kjebfhglflhjjjiceimfkgicifkhjlnm?hl=en
[12:51] <neuro> "By Google"
[12:51] <mungbean> oh
[12:51] <mungbean> Google Stopping Development of ‘Scratchpad’ Note Taking App
[12:51] <neuro> rofl!!
[12:52] <mungbean> new version released feb 2013 though
[12:52] <mungbean> maybe they resumed
[12:52] <popey> mungbean has the kiss of death to all apps
[12:52]  * mungbean cries
[12:52] <mungbean> rainy it is
[12:52] <mungbean> steering away from evernote
[12:53] <mungbean> since i have my own public server to play with,
[12:53] <mungbean> a little worried about security of rainy though
[12:53] <popey> ssh sync isn't bad
[12:53] <mungbean> i thought it had fundamental flaw the same as file sync
[12:53] <popey> at least it's a known security method
[12:54] <mungbean> since it uses sshfs
[12:54] <mungbean> hence similar to just using ubuntuone/dropbox to do file sync
[12:54] <popey> not really
[12:54] <mungbean> happy to be corrected.
[12:54] <popey> ssh sync doesn't try to be clever with conflicts like dropbox/u1 do
[12:55] <popey> so is more of a known quantity
[12:55] <mungbean> hence avoids the problem u had with file sync?
[12:55] <popey> one of the issues
[12:55] <mungbean> ssh sync needs passwordless ssh key setup?
[12:55] <popey> it needs ssh key
[12:56] <mungbean> don't think this will work with tomdroid app though
[12:56] <popey> it wont
[12:56] <popey> tomdroid doesn't support ssh sync
[12:56] <mungbean> supports rainy now
[12:59] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[13:04] <SuperMatt> noon
[13:04] <bigcalm> Somewhat after
[13:09] <mungbean> sshfs sync seemed to go quite smoothly
[13:11] <mungbean> goodbye tomdroid :(
[13:12] <mungbean> maybe i can write a script to copy notes to sd card when i connect my phone
[13:12] <popey> or port the ssh sync stuff to tomdroid ? :D
[13:15] <mungbean> i don't have teh skillz anymore
[13:15] <mungbean> they atrophied and withered
[13:16] <SuperMatt> I've been flexing my pythong muscles recently
[13:16] <mungbean> tomdroid is readonly so i could get my android to sync a dropbox folder regularly
[13:16] <mungbean> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ttxapps.dropsync&hl=en
[13:17] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: with email notifications?
[13:19] <SuperMatt> bigcalm: oh yes!
[13:19] <SuperMatt> one sec...
[13:21] <SuperMatt> bigcalm: http://www.supermatt.net/?attachment_id=4856
[13:22] <SuperMatt> ignore the fact that thunderbird is open, I was just ensuring I had some unread emails to report on
[13:23] <popey> wow look at you with no folders
[13:23] <SuperMatt> I just whack everything in to archives
[13:23] <SuperMatt> I only have to press a
[13:24] <SuperMatt> and then get thunderbird to cache it all
[13:26] <ali1234> has anyone tried geary?
[13:26] <popey> ya
[13:27] <DJones> Yep
[13:27] <ali1234> i was surprised that it actually handles gmail features
[13:27] <ali1234> like it actually supports labels and archiving properly
[13:27] <SuperMatt> I've tried it, and I've pledged, but it's not quite up to the level I'd like it to be
[13:28] <SuperMatt> but I'm waiting, and hopinh
[13:28] <SuperMatt> *hoping
[13:28] <ali1234> yeah it doesn't really feel finished
[13:28] <ali1234> it's already massively better than thunderbird though
[13:28] <SuperMatt> it what way?
[13:28] <ali1234> (14:29:13) ali1234: like it actually supports labels and archiving properly
[13:28] <SuperMatt> well, it only supports archiving for gmail properly
[13:29] <SuperMatt> I pressed the archieve button on my imap server, and the email just vanished
[13:29] <ali1234> oh it does that on gmail too
[13:29] <ali1234> (14:29:35) ali1234: yeah it doesn't really feel finished
[13:29] <SuperMatt> indeed
[13:29] <SuperMatt> I know it'll be great
[13:29] <ali1234> it has an archive button. it doesn't work properly yet, but at least it is there
[13:30] <SuperMatt> it's just that thunderbird matches my work flow better, currently
[13:30] <ali1234> i also got an email stuck
[13:30] <ali1234> click archive, nothing happens
[13:30] <ali1234> sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't
[13:31] <SuperMatt> I'm not sure yorba are going to make their target
[13:31] <ali1234> it doesn't fully thread conversations either, but again, it does a much better job than thunderbird
[13:31] <SuperMatt> maybe they should have set their goal a little lower
[13:31] <ali1234> it doesn't use reply-to: header at all
[13:32] <ali1234> it just threads based on subject
[13:32] <ali1234> if the subject is blank it does not thread at all
[13:32] <ali1234> (people send me emails with no subject all the time)
[13:33] <ali1234> but again, still better than thnderbird which does not thread anything, ever
[13:34] <SuperMatt> I do miss gmail's threads, but I don't get enough emails to care so much :P
[13:42] <popey> thunderbird threads fine here
[13:42] <neuro> has threaded fine for me for years
[13:42] <mgdm> yeah, same here
[13:42] <mgdm> I've been using it since before it was called Thunderbird
[13:44] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: just seen the screenshot. What am I looking for here?
[13:45] <SuperMatt> that I've got some rudimentary functionality going
[13:45] <SuperMatt> check the top right
[13:45] <SuperMatt> that's not been called by thunderbird, it's been done by my main.py
[13:45] <bigcalm> Aha, OSD :)
[13:45] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: super
[13:45] <SuperMatt> Should have got with "Matt: Super"
[13:46]  * bigcalm steps away from facebook for the rest of the day
[13:46] <SuperMatt> I could send it over in its current state, and you can run it via a cron job
[13:46] <SuperMatt> or I could start work on daemon mode, and parsing config from a json file
[13:46] <bigcalm> What does it look at?
[13:47] <SuperMatt> at the moment it just has my account details hard coded
[13:47] <SuperMatt> though it's about 10 minutes work to accept from a json file or from command line arguments
[13:48] <SuperMatt> or I could read up about using gnome keyring
[13:48] <SuperMatt> take your pic ;)
[13:49] <bigcalm> I mean is it gmail specific or will it work with other IMAP servers?
[13:49] <SuperMatt> at the moment it's only imap with ssl
[13:49] <SuperMatt> so gmail will work
[13:49] <bigcalm> And MS Outlook
[13:49] <bigcalm> Which is what my work email is
[13:49] <SuperMatt> well, if your outlook points to an imap server, sure
[13:50] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: outlook is the service name now, not just the client
[13:50] <SuperMatt> oh funky
[13:50] <SuperMatt> ah, you mean outlook.com
[13:50] <bigcalm> Yus
[13:50] <SuperMatt> well, it should work
[13:50] <bigcalm> Well, in my case Office 365 and microsoftonline.com
[13:50] <SuperMatt> I can test it for you
[13:51] <SuperMatt> I should have an account
[13:51] <bigcalm> IMAP should be IMAP and just work :)
[13:52] <SuperMatt> yeah, but I haven't configure imap without ssl yet
[13:52] <bigcalm> Did your system go *bing* when new mail arrived?
[13:52] <SuperMatt> it's not too difficult, I just need to extend the class I already have
[13:53] <SuperMatt> geez, how do I still get emails to my hotmail account from bloomin laplink!
[13:53] <SuperMatt> aren't they dead yet?
[13:53] <SuperMatt> I swear I only used them for communicating over com port
[13:55] <bigcalm> Oop, there goes the hearing in my left ear
[13:56] <bigcalm> Colds suck
[13:56] <SuperMatt> well now, the outlook.com interface is pretty good
[13:56] <bigcalm> Yes, it's a nice web mail interface
[13:58] <bigcalm> A json config would be a fine start :)
[14:05] <SuperMatt> hmmm... I can't find any imap settings for outlook.com
[14:07] <bigcalm> Mail -> Options -> Settings for POP, IMAP and SMTP access...
[14:08] <bigcalm> That's on my Office 365 account though
[14:08] <SuperMatt> yeah, I don't have 365 :/
[14:08] <bigcalm> It'll be something like pod51017.outlook.com
[14:08] <SuperMatt> hmm
[14:10] <SuperMatt> I don't think I can get a free account
[14:11] <SuperMatt> well, how about this: would you like to test it for me?
[14:12] <bigcalm> Happy to :)
[14:12] <SuperMatt> can I email it to you?
[14:13] <bigcalm> Oh bother. When did I take that lemsip? It's going to trouble me for the next 4 hours
[14:13] <bigcalm> There ya go :)
[14:36] <davmor2> bigcalm: if you take a screenshot of the entire desktop does it snapshot the screen you are on or all three?
[14:37] <bigcalm> davmor2: all three. I had to crop the image I put on G+
[14:37] <davmor2> bigcalm: nice I wasn't sure how it handled multimonitor screenshots hence the question :)
[14:40] <bigcalm> davmor2: due to the central screen rotation, the extra space is black on the two other screens in the screenshot
[14:59] <bigcalm> ACK!
[14:59] <bigcalm> Sneezed and my glasses shot off my face
[14:59] <davmor2> haha
[15:00] <bigcalm> I'm really surprised I've managed to get so far into the year without a cold
[15:07] <bigcalm> Now I understand why the elder generation put tethers on their glasses
[15:08] <davmor2> bigcalm: oh I thought it was the fact they couldn't bend to pick them back up off the floor :)
[15:11] <zleap> bigcalm, well i have usb sticks here with  lanyards,
[15:13] <bigcalm> zleap: does that mean you are tethered to the machine? :)
[15:19] <zleap> bigcalm, no
[15:20] <zleap> i was just commenting that some have lanyards,  it is no different to having keys that clip to belts etc
[15:20] <zleap> well the bit on trousers that the belt goes in to
[15:22] <dwatkins> I have a cold, first of the year.
[15:22]  * bigcalm blames dwatkins for his cold then
[15:22] <dwatkins> I have cycling glasses that have a rubberised thing that goes around my head, so they don't come off.
[15:23] <dwatkins> bigcalm: it's a southern cold, I think I got it visiting friends and relations down south. I've probably infected half of Edinburgh since I got back.
[15:23] <dwatkins> transmission via IRC would be quite impressive for a cold virus...
[15:24] <bigcalm> I could try and blame davmor2 as I saw him on Thursday
[15:24] <dwatkins> That might be a little more plausible ;)
[15:24] <bigcalm> But I'm thinking it was possibly something I picked up in the Jewellery Quarter on Saturday
[15:25] <davmor2> bigcalm: I've not had a cold this year so you can chuff off :P
[15:25] <bigcalm> :P
[15:36] <Myrtti> I kinda want a tether thing for my glasses because when I put my glasses on my forehead, I inevitably tangle my hair on/in them
[15:36] <Myrtti> I just don't seem to find good ones
[15:36] <Myrtti> not that I've looked too much
[15:37] <bigcalm> Myrtti: get magnetic glasses like Stephen Fry (as seen at Oggcamp)
[15:46] <Myrtti> that would be good if I'd use reading glasses where I'd take them off often
[15:47] <bigcalm> The only time I take my glasses of is when I need to leave my office for some reason. Haven't lost them yet *fingers crossed*
[15:49] <mungbean> ssh sync with tomby is super quick now :D
[17:00] <andysucksatubunt> Hey
[17:01] <andysucksatubunt> Is there anyone available to help me with a Ubuntu Query
[17:01] <Myrtti> difficult to know if you don't actually ask the question first
[17:01] <andysucksatubunt> fair point.
[17:02] <andysucksatubunt> I have dual boot windows and ubuntu i have stupidly some how managed to get malware on my windows boot. I want to install a rescue disc from AVG to USB but i am unable to run teh setup.sh file
[17:02] <popey> probably not executable
[17:02] <andysucksatubunt> Ive gone into the properties and allowed it to run as a application
[17:02] <popey> did the setup.sh file come from the AVG website?
[17:02] <andysucksatubunt> yes
[17:03] <popey> so its in your "Downloads" folder?
[17:03] <andysucksatubunt> currently extracted there yes
[17:03] <popey> what happens when you try and run it?
[17:03] <popey> like..
[17:03] <popey> cd ~/Downloads
[17:03] <andysucksatubunt> i gives me optiosn tpo open terman view cancel or run
[17:03] <popey> ./setup.sh
[17:03] <andysucksatubunt> but nothign happens
[17:03] <popey> I'd do it in a terminal, press CTRL+ALT+T then... cd ~/Downloads
[17:04] <popey> then ./setup.sh
[17:04] <andysucksatubunt> and ive read that popey but what do u mean i i am very new t unbuntu and i wis i knew more so i could delete windows from my life
[17:04] <andysucksatubunt> hmm seem a few keys are sticking to... awesome..
[17:04] <andysucksatubunt> ok sec
[17:04]  * popey squints
[17:06] <andysucksatubunt> telling me theres no such file there
[17:06] <popey> when you typed cd ~/Downloads, did the prompt change in the terminal?
[17:06] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~/Downloads$
[17:06] <andysucksatubunt> yes to dowloands
[17:06] <popey> to look a bit like that
[17:06] <popey> ok, good
[17:06] <andysucksatubunt> downloads*
[17:07] <andysucksatubunt> but when i type /setup.sh
[17:07] <andysucksatubunt> it said no such file etc
[17:07] <popey> you missed the full stop in front
[17:07] <popey> ./setup.sh
[17:07] <andysucksatubunt> ffs ok god im poop
[17:07] <popey> :D
[17:07] <popey> easily done
[17:07] <popey> it's only 4 or so pixels
[17:08] <andysucksatubunt> says the same
[17:09] <andysucksatubunt> the downlaod rea dme said i needed to have dialog libraies installed
[17:09] <andysucksatubunt> if that means anything
[17:09] <andysucksatubunt> ive been google and forum read until i had the idea to find this place
[17:10] <dwatkins> is the file there, andysucksatubunt? do an 'ls'
[17:10] <andysucksatubunt> haha no
[17:10] <Nafallo> hrm
[17:11] <Nafallo> anyone got a BCM970015 and able to tell how well it runs on Quantal or Raring? :-)
[17:11] <MartijnVdS> BCM970015?
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: what does that do?
[17:12] <andysucksatubunt> s>it ok to chat here?
[17:12] <Nafallo> 1080p on a netbook ;-)
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: ah, as long as there are drivers for it.. I guess
[17:12] <Nafallo> looks like it's in the kernel.
[17:12] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: it appears to be a video accelerator: http://www.amazon.com/BCM970015-Broadcom-Hardware-Decoder-Accelerator/dp/B0050QJUP0
[17:12] <Nafallo> and there is a firmware package.
[17:13] <dwatkins> andysucksatubunt: we do ;)
[17:13] <dwatkins> although we tend to stick to vaguely linux-related discussions mostly
[17:13] <Nafallo> but then, the gstreamer plugin is at 0.10 and I can't figure out how the mplayer support is supposed to work :-)
[17:14] <andysucksatubunt> ive checked it finds the folder the setup.sh is in
[17:14] <andysucksatubunt> but when i type the ./setup.sh when its in the downloads it still tells me no such file excists
[17:14] <Darael> andysucksatubunt, dwatkins:  *Very* vaguely, sometimes...
[17:16] <dwatkins> andysucksatubunt: is the file in that directory, or a subdirectory? perhaps it was extracted from an archive.
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> what do you need setup.sh for?
[17:16] <andysucksatubunt> it iwas a zip folder ive extracted
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> isn't it packaged?
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> andysucksatubunt: of what?
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> !packages
[17:16] <dwatkins> so 'cd' into the directory it's in, as indicated by 'ls'
[17:16] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: this is for AVG
[17:16] <andysucksatubunt> a AVG virus boot to install a rescue disc to USB
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> uh?
[17:17] <andysucksatubunt> i need to run the setup.sh to install it to a USB stick
[17:17] <Nafallo> right. no one knows about crystal hd? ;-)
[17:18] <andysucksatubunt> i have windows and ubuntu dual boot and somehow im guessign was the GF i have malware that basically fucks my windows (wouldnt care but i have files there) and i need access so i need an rescue disc to run from boot to remove it
[17:18] <andysucksatubunt> if that makes sense...
[17:19] <dwatkins> please keep your language family-friendly, andysucksatubunt
[17:19] <andysucksatubunt> my apologise
[17:19] <andysucksatubunt> wont happen again
[17:21] <andysucksatubunt> I can get the termial into the downloads but its just refuses to see the setup.sh
[17:21] <andysucksatubunt> terminal*
[17:21] <dwatkins> andysucksatubunt: you're probably not in the correct directory
[17:21] <dwatkins> as I said, find out what the subdirectory is called that it extracted to, then move into it with 'cd nameofdirectory'
[17:22] <andysucksatubunt> i thought that so i went into the properties of the folder with teh setup.sh and tried that and it confirms the directory
[17:22] <andysucksatubunt> ok sec ill see if that works
[17:24] <popey> it could be that it's not setup.sh which is reporting the error but something it later calls
[17:25] <andysucksatubunt> really frustrates me because i wish i was so much better with linux and i just get frustrated and stop trying
[17:26] <andysucksatubunt> when i try cd the directory in the downloads it says it doesnt excist
[17:26] <andysucksatubunt> ~/Downloads$ cd ~/avg_arl_ffi_all_120_120823a5411
[17:26] <popey> its case sensitive
[17:26] <andysucksatubunt> then it says
[17:26] <popey> no, wait
[17:26] <popey> ~ means /home/andy
[17:26] <popey> (assuming that's your name)
[17:27] <popey> so ~/Downloads is /home/andy/Downloads
[17:27] <andysucksatubunt> *face palm*
[17:27] <popey> ~/avg_arl_ffi_all_120_120823a5411 means /home/andy/avg_arl_ffi_all_120_120823a5411
[17:27] <popey> so you probably want to cd ~/Downloads
[17:27] <popey> then cd avg_arl_ffi_all_120_120823a5411
[17:27] <popey> or just cd avg   and then press the Tab key to autocomplete
[17:28] <andysucksatubunt> i hope this isnt making u to annoyed at how stupid one human being can be
[17:28] <Darael> Uninformed and unused to bash is not the same as stupid.
[17:28] <andysucksatubunt> ok tells me to try and run as root
[17:28] <Darael> All will come in time.
[17:29] <andysucksatubunt> with an error of course
[17:30] <andysucksatubunt> How would one Andy go about doing that?
[17:30] <popey> ok
[17:30] <popey> sudo ./setup.sh
[17:30] <andysucksatubunt> *Copy pastes*
[17:31] <andysucksatubunt> udo: unable to change to sudoers gid: Operation not permitted sudo: setresuid() [0, 0, 0] -> [114, -1, -1]: Operation not permitted
[17:33] <popey> uhhhh
[17:34] <popey> are you logged in as you or as a guest account?
[17:35] <andysucksatubunt> nope but i can try and relog i had ubuntu then i installed gnome i can put it back to basic and come back if that makes any difference?
[17:36] <popey> I'm kinda lost.
[17:36] <andysucksatubunt> ok popey i will brb
[17:36] <andysucksatubunt> and btw i really super appricate all this help
[17:36] <popey> what version of ubuntu is this?
[17:36] <popey> is it like mega old?
[17:37] <popey> the following command will give you a version number:-
[17:37] <popey> lsb_release -a
[17:37] <andysucksatubunt> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu Description:	Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS Release:	12.04 Codename:	precise
[17:37] <popey> hmm
[17:38] <andysucksatubunt> ive run uodate manager and doesnt say anything
[17:38] <andysucksatubunt> update*
[17:38] <popey> I don't understand why sudo fails
[17:38] <dwatkins> do you have another login account, andysucksatubunt?
[17:38] <dwatkins> that one doesn't have sudo priviliges.
[17:38] <popey> need to go and put the kids to bed, sorry
[17:38] <MartijnVdS> andysucksatubunt: can you paste the output of the 'id' command?
[17:38] <MartijnVdS> (that should clear some things up :))
[17:38] <dwatkins> good call, MartijnVdS
[17:41] <andysucksatubunt> Andy-rSffvo@ubuntu:~/Downloads/avg_arl_ffi_all_120_120823a5411$ ./setup.sh ERROR: Try to run this as root. Andy-rSffvo@ubuntu:~/Downloads/avg_arl_ffi_all_120_120823a5411$ ./setup.sh ERROR: Try to run this as root. Andy-rSffvo@ubuntu:~/Downloads/avg_arl_ffi_all_120_120823a5411$ sudo ./setup.shsudo: unable to change to sudoers gid: Operation not permitted sudo: setresuid() [0, 0, 0] -> [114, -1, -1]: Operation not permitte
[17:42] <andysucksatubunt> help at all?
[17:42] <andysucksatubunt> sec
[17:42] <andysucksatubunt> uid=114(Andy-rSffvo) gid=125(Andy-rSffvo) groups=125(Andy-rSffvo)
[17:43] <andysucksatubunt> that what u ment right?
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> andysucksatubunt: it is.. but why are you in that user/group?
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> those are system-reserved..
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> (not for normal users)
[17:44] <SuperMatt> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J4QPz52Sfo well worth watching
[17:44] <andysucksatubunt> wish i knew
[17:44] <MartijnVdS> andysucksatubunt: How did you log in?
[17:44] <andysucksatubunt> should i double check this is the admin user? would that effect it
[17:44] <MartijnVdS> andysucksatubunt: it's not, "id" just told us :)
[17:45] <andysucksatubunt> blah
[17:45] <andysucksatubunt> what numbers would i expect to see the admin then?
[17:45] <andysucksatubunt> i have 3 users dont remember why so i can run teh id command and find teh correct one before i log here to bother u awesome people
[17:46] <MartijnVdS> andysucksatubunt: this might be the "guest" login, I don't know.. how did you create it?
[17:46] <MartijnVdS> andysucksatubunt: the admin user tends to have uid 1000, but that's not required (it can all be changed)
[17:46] <MartijnVdS> but if you changed it.. you'd know
[17:46] <andysucksatubunt> orginally i downlaoded teh ubuntu exe on my windows desktop and installed
[17:46] <andysucksatubunt> but i setup users and i cant remember why
[17:47] <andysucksatubunt> so ill do teh ID check and relog here once ive found it
[17:47] <andysucksatubunt> Could be me under Andrew instead of andy.. sorry to be so usless
[17:47] <andysucksatubunt> ive not used this netboot in ages that why
[17:48] <MartijnVdS> andysucksatubunt: you could try this (don't paste the output here though)
[17:48] <andysucksatubunt> was on a mac as my GF had a new one and wel the HD hd cable went so i came back to my old backup and then she botched this so im stcuk fixing it
[17:48] <MartijnVdS> andysucksatubunt: tail /etc/passwd
[17:48] <MartijnVdS> andysucksatubunt: it lists the last accounts in the password file.. usually the ones you created are in that :)
[17:48] <MartijnVdS> andysucksatubunt: go for the ones with id 1000 or higher
[17:48] <andysucksatubunt> ok i will brb if thats ok?
[17:48] <MartijnVdS> sure
[17:48] <andysucksatubunt> i will do that find one and relog
[17:48] <andysucksatubunt> thanks and brb
[17:58] <andysucks> right im back
[17:58] <andysucks> not sure how but i have two Andy accounts
[17:58] <andysucks> that was weird
[17:58] <andysucks> ill need to re download the setup.sh etc
[17:59] <andysucks> so ill eat while that happens if thats ok Popey and fellow helpers and eat
[18:14] <andysucks> back
[18:14] <dwatkins> 'ls' is your friend, andysucks
[18:15] <andysucks> ye seems so
[18:15] <andysucks> although the extracting of the file has frozen
[18:16] <ali1234> what are you trying to do exactly?
[18:17] <andysucks> run a setup.sh but it seems somehow i was in a guest user and commands wouldnt work
[18:17] <ali1234> what's the url of setup.sh?
[18:17] <andysucks> checked with id im in a 1000 now
[18:17] <ali1234> https://share.avg.com/arl/
[18:17] <ali1234> is it that?
[18:18] <andysucks> just need to extract and see if the advice given a few minutes ago works
[18:18] <andysucks> no matey its a REscue scan disc to scan my pc on boot to install it on a USB
[18:18] <ali1234> that is what that is
[18:19] <andysucks> ok well i have the zip file in my downloads
[18:20] <andysucks> its just umm not un zipping
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> maybe it is, but you should wait a bit longer?
[18:20] <magpie> how are you trying to unzip it?
[18:20] <andysucks> right clik extract here
[18:21] <ali1234> 5411 is out of date. just fyi
[18:21] <ali1234> https://share.avg.com/arl/release/avg_arl_ffi_all_120_120823a5688.zip is the latest release
[18:22] <ali1234> there is also an iso version that you can just download and burn
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: that doesn't work if you have <1G RAM
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: tried that last month :|
[18:23] <magpie> what do you want this for ?
[18:23] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: (ended up plugging 4G in that machine, and re-installing Windows)
[18:23] <andysucks> Im on a netbook i have no cdrom
[18:23] <andysucks> so needs be USB
[18:23] <magpie> unetbootin is your friend
[18:24] <andysucks> thanks for update link alil234
[18:24] <andysucks> whats unetbootin?
[18:24] <ali1234> ./setup.sh: line 113: /1024: syntax error: operand expected (error token is "/1024")
[18:24] <ali1234> lol, even with all the right dependencies, it doesn't work
[18:24] <ali1234> this probably won't work with unetbootin
[18:25] <magpie> i use unetbootin whenever i need to get files off my netbook after some crisis
[18:25] <andysucks> i will try the directory thing to see if it will run now once i have the most up to date etc
[18:25] <andysucks> hmm i will look into it magpie <3
[18:26] <magpie> it's great way to save files before a reinstall
[18:26] <ali1234> hmm it does this awk '/^.* '$dev'$/{print $3}' /proc/partitions
[18:26] <magpie> you can put some light distro on it
[18:26] <ali1234> but that outputs nothing
[18:26] <andysucks> well after finding this place i plan to after fixing my windows issue banish it and install pure ubuntu
[18:27] <magpie> what's your windows issue?
[18:27] <dwatkins> What do you need to do to the windows install, andysucks? copy data off it?
[18:27] <andysucks> Malware take over GF use it last
[18:27] <magpie> you can just grab ur files off with the usb boot
[18:27] <davmor2> Man you don't appreciate how fast Raring is till you compare side by side with precise OMG it's fast
[18:27] <magpie> put them onto a hard disk and then set install over windows
[18:28] <dwatkins> andysucks: in that case shouldn't she be fixing it?
[18:28] <andysucks> Some BS bla bla pay or police nonsense and takes over my pc cant even safemode boot it makes that blurry
[18:28] <andysucks> she can barley turn this thing on matey
[18:28] <andysucks> and worst is... its my netbook
[18:28] <dwatkins> that's no excuse. when I started using computers, I could barely read ;) ... I was six.
[18:28] <magpie> don't worry
[18:28] <magpie> listen
[18:28] <magpie> get a usb
[18:28] <ali1234> but when you were 6 you did not have internet hackers trying to extort money from you
[18:28] <magpie> format it to fat 32
[18:29] <magpie> then download lubuntu or gnome if you want i'd say it's too bulky for a netbook tho
[18:29] <andysucks> ye i need something light and user friendly to start
[18:29] <magpie> run unetbootin with your disk image of the distro
[18:30] <magpie> restart your computer and press f12 or whatever gets you into bios
[18:30] <magpie> and set bios to boot into usb
[18:30] <magpie> restarrt
[18:30] <magpie> then option will be "try without installing"
[18:30] <magpie> pick this
[18:31] <dwatkins> isn't andysucks already running Ubuntu?
[18:31] <magpie> "then plug spare hard drive into (hopefully you have another usb socket)
[18:31] <magpie> take all files off
[18:31] <magpie> reboot
[18:31] <magpie> pick open to clean install
[18:31] <magpie> nice new os
[18:31] <magpie> saved files
[18:31] <magpie> no bother
[18:32] <dwatkins> make sure to virus and malware scan the USB disk, of course
[18:32] <andysucks> I have ubuntu and windows on my netbook
[18:32] <andysucks> im on ubuntu now
[18:32] <magpie> meh dwatkins
[18:32] <andysucks> because the window partiton is f'ed
[18:32] <magpie> the virus can't hurt just on a usb
[18:32] <magpie> ur better off saving the lot and going through it later
[18:32] <dwatkins> it might be in a .doc or somehing
[18:32] <magpie> chances are it's a windows virus anyway
[18:33] <dwatkins> yeah, magpie that's what I mean, check it later
[18:33] <magpie> aye
[18:33] <magpie> don't worry andysucks
[18:33] <andysucks> its only because i startted another language after moving country that i care or id format and put pure linux on
[18:33] <andysucks> i have a document with my notes
[18:33] <andysucks> id like to get
[18:33] <andysucks> par that id happily wipe it now
[18:34] <magpie> once you know how to use the try without installing on your usb you will not have problems saving files anymore
[18:35] <magpie> i have one handy for whenever I want
[18:36] <magpie> your netbook is going to be so much faster
[18:36] <magpie> i reccomended 32bit lubuntu 12.04
[18:37] <magpie> you can get your documents off before you wipe it though
[18:37] <magpie> you won't lose them if you hit "try without installing"
[18:37] <magpie> it will bring you into a temporary screen and from there yo will see your windows folder and you can drag and drop the lot into a spare HD
[18:41] <magpie> I think maybe he was panicking
[18:46] <andysucks> seems my netbook isnt powerful enough
[18:46] <andysucks> it keeps freezing
[18:47] <andysucks> Sorry magpie missed what you said
[18:51] <andysucks> Can you recommend a decent light version on Linux for a netbook?
[18:52] <magpie> lubuntu 12.04 32 bit
[18:52] <andysucks> Any offical websites i can download from?
[18:52] <magpie> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/12.04/release/
[18:53] <magpie> it says desktop but don't worry it's very light
[18:54] <magpie> you may need to configure the trackpad click a bit
[18:55] <magpie> once you know how to use the try without installing on your usb you will not have problems saving files anymore
[18:55] <magpie>  i have one handy for whenever I want
[18:55] <magpie>  your netbook is going to be so much faster
[18:55] <magpie>  i reccomended 32bit lubuntu 12.04
[18:55] <magpie>  you can get your documents off before you wipe it though
[18:55] <magpie>  you won't lose them if you hit "try without installing"
[18:55] <magpie>  it will bring you into a temporary screen and from there yo will see your windows folder and you can drag and drop the lot into a spare HD
[18:55] <magpie> jjust to repeat what i said befoe your computer cut out
[19:00] <andysucks> if only this would stop locking up enough to even let me type
[19:00] <magpie> can you not get onto another computer while you fix this one?
[19:01] <magpie> it's a good idea not to keep it running if it has a virus
[19:01] <magpie> especially connected to the net
[19:01] <b1ackcr0w> andysucks: Zorin OS is based on Ubuntu but LXFE, I'm using it on a very old PC to run an XBMC center quite successfully
[19:02] <b1ackcr0w> might be worth a look
[19:02] <magpie> yeah that's a good shout
[19:02] <magpie> lxfe is very light too
[19:02] <magpie> lubuntu is using the same thing to this
[19:05] <mungbean> +1 for lubuntu
[19:06] <dwatkins> +1 lubuntu
[19:06] <magpie> :-)
[19:07] <andysucks> Downloading lunbuntu now
[19:07] <b1ackcr0w> +1 for lubuntu. I only suggested Zorin because they've a version with all the pae extensions hacked out which can be helpful on low powered PCs
[19:07] <andysucks> in hope i can boot and rescue like you said magpire
[19:08] <andysucks> magpie*
[19:08] <b1ackcr0w> and so do crunchbang BTW
[19:08] <magpie> don't worry just remember the order
[19:08] <andysucks> Only thing is it only seems to give me a 64 bit download option not a 32
[19:08] <magpie> format the usb fat 32
[19:09] <magpie> install unetbootin on it with the disk image ready to mount
[19:09] <magpie> go into bios
[19:09] <magpie> select boot from usb
[19:09] <magpie> try before installing
[19:09] <magpie> copy your files to a spare hard disk
[19:09] <magpie> reboot
[19:09] <magpie> then clean install
[19:10] <magpie> make sure you try without installing and then copied your files and you have nothing to worry about.
[19:12] <andysucks> just need to somehow not stress because this is so slow right now
[19:14] <magpie> yeah just take this time to think through the steps in your head
[19:14] <magpie> write them down on a pen and paper for when you have to go offline
[19:15] <andysucks> the install for unetbootin is that an exe coz that wont load from linux right?
[19:15] <magpie> do you know the name of the virus attacking you?
[19:15] <andysucks> nope i wish i did
[19:15] <magpie> hmm good question
[19:15] <andysucks> ill ask my gf what sites she was visiting to see if i can google anything sec
[19:16] <mungbean> malwarebytes is still good at detecting that stuff on windows
[19:17] <magpie> is it just your browsing that is affected?
[19:17] <magpie> or when your browser is not open does it affect the functionality of other programs?
[19:17] <andysucks> its the whole OS
[19:17] <magpie> second that @mungbean
[19:17] <andysucks> as soon as i log on theres a overding screen that wont allow ne to do anything
[19:18] <magpie> what kind of screen?
[19:18] <andysucks> just a fake the police are watching u bla bla pay up
[19:18] <magpie> that does sound like malware try mungbean's suggestion
[19:19] <magpie> malwarebytes is free and it can be much better than antivirus at catching this sort of attack
[19:19] <andysucks> ye but problem is it needs to be dos based as i cant log windows to scan
[19:19] <andysucks> thats why i wanted the AVG external USB scan thing
[19:20] <andysucks> but thats when we had issues running the setup.sh
[19:20] <andysucks> because theres two andy users and one for some reason is a guest
[19:20] <andysucks> and it wouldnt allow me to run the setup.sh
[19:21] <magpie> is it pretending to be polic then
[19:21] <magpie> police?
[19:21] <andysucks> ye
[19:21] <magpie> Specialist Crime Directorate
[19:21] <magpie> ?
[19:21] <andysucks> something like that i think
[19:23] <magpie> ok
[19:23] <andysucks> im just luck y i have a ubuntu parttion
[19:23] <andysucks> or id have nothing
[19:23] <magpie> if it's a common virus it's possible we can find the files and destroy them individually so that you can get enough functionality back to clean it completely
[19:23] <magpie> can you boot into ubuntu?
[19:24] <magpie> can you do that now?
[19:24] <andysucks> i am in ubuntu now
[19:25] <andysucks> its just a little slow
[19:26] <magpie> oh good
[19:26] <magpie> well in that case
[19:26] <magpie> can you see yourr windows directories?
[19:27] <andysucks> very new to ubuntu how would i do that?
[19:27] <andysucks> terminal is open
[19:27] <andysucks> assuming i need it :P
[19:27] <magpie> it should be a folder with a windowsy name like C:/user/bla
[19:28] <magpie> maybe someone who has a dual boot can help me out herE?
[19:28] <magpie> it's been a long time since i ran windows alongside ubuntu
[19:28] <andysucks> let me have a poke around my drive
[19:29] <andysucks> think i can see something
[19:30] <andysucks> im in the computer of ubuntu but fiddling
[19:30] <andysucks> one moment
[19:30] <andysucks> it seems i can see both drives (meaning windows always like a seprate parttion for recovery) but i can actually get any folders etc up
[19:31] <magpie> the offending file is appently called ctfmon.lnk
[19:31] <magpie> you can start windows into dos if that is easier
[19:32] <magpie> instruction for that as howto'd Boot the system into Safe Mode. To do so:
[19:32] <magpie>      First, restart the system (Click Start, then Shut Down, select Restart in the drop-down dialog box that appears, then click OK).
[19:32] <magpie>     As the computer restarts but before Windows launches, press F8.
[19:32] <magpie>     Use the arrow keys to highlight 'Safe Mode' and then press Enter.
[19:32] <KevanV> I've got a dual boot... but I'll have to go and get it
[19:32] <andysucks> if i boot safe mode
[19:32] <andysucks> they have i think programmed something into it because
[19:33] <andysucks> even thought it changes render i cant click or read anything
[19:33] <magpie> n Safe Mode, find the file ctfmon.lnk in the Startup folder (C:\Users\Username\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Program\Startup\ctfmon.lnk) and delete it.
[19:33] <andysucks> was teh first thig i thought of
[19:33] <andysucks> boot safe mode scan and remove
[19:33] <andysucks> i cant
[19:33] <magpie> can you use your keyboard?
[19:33] <magpie> if so you can navigate with the tab key
[19:34] <magpie> shift tab goes back and tab takes you to the next button
[19:34] <andysucks> its not that, its the fact that all the widnows are miss rendered i cant see antyhign within them
[19:34] <andysucks> i can move my mouse use teh keyboard but i cant read or see antyhing
[19:34] <KevanV> has your tried ultimate boot disk... it runs from CD and has several antivirus software on it.
[19:35] <magpie> ok then stick with finding it from ubuntu
[19:35] <andysucks> i would but i have an issue currently getting files to run from here ubuntu to set up on my USB
[19:35] <andysucks> as im on a netbook with no cd rom
[19:35] <magpie> you should be able to do this
[19:35] <KevanV> andysucks: sorry I was late to this convo
[19:36] <andysucks> its fine im sure im annoying everyone with my spam im just really happy that there are awesome people about liek you guys who dont just ignore me and help
[19:36] <magpie> i'll have a look at the unetbootin and see what it says about running the ubuntu disk image from a windows version
[19:36] <andysucks> im so happy for all the help i can get
[19:36] <magpie> it's probably ok
[19:37] <andysucks> well currently i have the zip files for lbuntu unetboting and the AVG USB run thing
[19:37] <KevanV> if I'm correct... 1. windows has a virus/trogen that is demanding money to access the computer. ubuntu works.
[19:38] <andysucks> yes
[19:38] <KevanV> has is encrypted documents?
[19:38] <KevanV> has it*
[19:38] <andysucks> i cant do anything i have no idea
[19:38] <andysucks> asap i log in i screen pops and i cant d anything its in the boot up i guess
[19:38] <KevanV> from ubuntu have you got a file browsers?
[19:39] <andysucks> i dont think so im not sure
[19:39] <andysucks> how would i check that?
[19:39] <andysucks> i can see computer etc
[19:39] <andysucks> and all my drives including teh USB no plugged in
[19:40] <andysucks> now*
[19:40] <KevanV> on the screen can you see computer.... ah yes... clicking that
[19:40] <KevanV> good
[19:40] <andysucks> theres 2 drives teh main and the silly little rescue one that windows wants (tried that also it just errors even with a full recovery)
[19:40] <andysucks> if i go into the main and get to the first window
[19:41] <andysucks> all i see is
[19:41] <magpie> yeah i think it's fine to boot ubuntu from the .exe
[19:41] <andysucks> boot and system volume
[19:41] <magpie> it's only once your clean install is on you wouldn't be able to use it again because ur bootloader would be grub
[19:41] <andysucks> but neither of those let em do much
[19:41] <magpie> but that's not a problem for what you need
[19:42] <KevanV> navigate to something in the windows drive "my documents"  it can be in one of many places depending on the windows version and if you upgraded from one version to another
[19:42] <magpie> system volume is the windows btw
[19:42] <andysucks> one file in it thought
[19:42] <andysucks> tracking.log
[19:42] <andysucks> nothing else
[19:43] <KevanV> okay... what version of windows is it?
[19:43] <andysucks> stupid windows 7 starter
[19:44] <magpie> look
[19:44] <magpie> you vcan just put lubuntu on unetbootin
[19:44] <magpie> as planned
[19:44] <magpie> it's ok
[19:44] <magpie> as long as you can format the usb to fat32 it will serve you properly
[19:45] <KevanV> okay... I've got that on a computer... will boot that computer to find where your files will be.
[19:45] <KevanV> magpie: yes usb will be needed :)
[19:46] <magpie> @kevanV apparently it's in  C:\Users\Username\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Program\Startup\ctfmon.lnk)
[19:46] <andysucks> yes but i cant get to that
[19:46] <andysucks> as theres only one file viewable from ubuntu
[19:46] <magpie> don't worry
[19:46] <magpie> unetbootin will work
[19:46] <magpie> have you got a spare HD?
[19:47] <andysucks> I think so external just not sure if theres stuff on it
[19:47] <andysucks> what you thinking magpie?
[19:47] <magpie> check
[19:47] <andysucks> ... GF!!!
[19:47] <andysucks> ok cant use it
[19:48] <andysucks> she has "things" she cant loose and are too big to temp put on her mac
[19:48] <magpie> i'm thinking i double checked and we can go back to the initial plan where you boot into try lubuntu without installing , rescue your files and then clean install with unetbootin
[19:48] <magpie> don't blame your gf it's not her fault
[19:48] <andysucks> well ill extract the unetbooting to the USB
[19:48] <magpie> it's just one of those things
[19:48] <magpie> another reason not to use windows
[19:49] <magpie> of the many that exist
[19:49] <andysucks> and try and set the BIOS and prio USB/CD and try and use teh "try before install thing"
[19:49] <magpie> yeah
[19:49] <KevanV> magpie: agreed... (but I have to use it at work!)
[19:49] <magpie> but first u need to download lubuntu
[19:49] <andysucks> if i have one word documnet that i really need due to a whole years worth of language course notes
[19:49] <magpie> have you been doing that?
[19:49] <magpie> and unetbootin
[19:49] <andysucks> id already be thinking clean wipe
[19:49] <magpie> yea do rescue the files first though
[19:49] <andysucks> i have Unetbootin but its taking for ever to unzip
[19:50] <magpie> that malware won't be a problem once you're off windows
[19:50] <andysucks> was on a MAC but that died too :P the HD cable keeps going
[19:50] <magpie> how about the lubuntu download?
[19:50] <andysucks> got that also
[19:50] <andysucks> but i think its a 64 bit version
[19:51] <andysucks> there was no 32 bit option
[19:51] <andysucks> or i coudl see at least
[19:51] <magpie> it's not too much of a problem but it's not going to be as good in the long run
[19:51] <KevanV> andysucks: normally that's not a prolem
[19:51] <magpie> right.
[19:52] <andysucks> ok well my 4gb USB is fomratted fat style
[19:52] <magpie> can anyone remember how to use the terminal to unzip?
[19:52] <andysucks> i can right clik and unziop mate
[19:52] <andysucks> ubuntu has almost a windows like UI
[19:52] <magpie> it'll probably be better to use the terminal rather than gui if it's being oddly slow
[19:52] <andysucks> its not basic linux so im not to screwed with commands
[19:52] <andysucks> its the the gui its teh actual unzip
[19:52] <andysucks> it just sticks
[19:53] <directhex> "unzip /path/to/file.zip" extracts in the current folder
[19:53] <andysucks> and then the whole OS locks
[19:53] <andysucks> and i have to hole the powerbutton to get back control with reboot to ubunutu
[19:53] <andysucks> god read this problem sounds so damn stupid im so embrassed haha
[19:53] <magpie> go into task manager and cancel anything that is running which u don't need
[19:53] <magpie> unless you aren't sure what it does
[19:53] <magpie> the kill command does this
[19:54] <magpie> ok open terminal
[19:55] <magpie> can you type this:
[19:55] <magpie> lsof
[19:55] <andysucks> right its going
[19:55] <magpie> and paste the contents
[19:55] <andysucks> HAHA says inflating: home/andy... etc etc
[19:55] <andysucks> ok sec
[19:55] <magpie> paste
[19:56] <andysucks> sec i cant get to terminal window... Grr
[19:57] <andysucks> wow thats alot of text
[19:57] <andysucks> you sure im ok to paste that?
[19:57] <magpie> ok hold on
[19:57] <magpie> i've a shorter one for you
[19:58] <andysucks> pretty sure 1) youd all hate me for spam 2) admin would kick me :)
[19:58] <magpie> sudo lsof -i -n -P
[19:58] <mungbean> | pastebinit
[19:58] <magpie> yeah n send link
[19:59] <andysucks> huh?
[19:59] <magpie> it's not that long with this command, will he get kicked for it?
[19:59] <andysucks> its like 13 lines?
[20:00] <magpie> http://pastebin.com/ just in case
[20:01] <andysucks> COMMAND    PID   USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME avahi-dae  782  avahi   12u  IPv4   8613      0t0  UDP *:5353  avahi-dae  782  avahi   13u  IPv6   8614      0t0  UDP *:5353  avahi-dae  782  avahi   14u  IPv4   8615      0t0  UDP *:48331  avahi-dae  782  avahi   15u  IPv6   8616      0t0  UDP *:39966  cupsd      802   root    8u  IPv6   8671      0t0  TCP [::1]:631 (LISTEN) cupsd      802   root    9u  IPv4   8672   
[20:01] <andysucks> it re ordered it but when i pastes went back
[20:02] <magpie> also netstat -l | grep tcp this
[20:02] <magpie> netstat -l | grep tcp
[20:02] <magpie> on its own
[20:03] <magpie> hmm this is hard to read
[20:03] <andysucks>     COMMAND    PID   USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME     avahi-dae  782  avahi   12u  IPv4   8613      0t0  UDP *:5353     avahi-dae  782  avahi   13u  IPv6   8614      0t0  UDP *:5353     avahi-dae  782  avahi   14u  IPv4   8615      0t0  UDP *:48331     avahi-dae  782  avahi   15u  IPv6   8616      0t0  UDP *:39966     cupsd      802   root    8u  IPv6   8671      0t0  TCP [::1]:631 (LISTEN)     cupsd      802   ro
[20:03] <andysucks> any better?
[20:03] <andysucks> it wont order properlu
[20:03] <andysucks> sorry all for wall of text
[20:04] <magpie> is that it?
[20:04] <andysucks> yep
[20:04] <andysucks> the last command anyways
[20:04] <andysucks> i didnt paste teh super huge one
[20:04] <andysucks> you want me to do that?
[20:04] <magpie> did you run
[20:04] <magpie>  also netstat -l | grep tcp this
[20:04] <magpie> can you run thaT?
[20:05] <magpie> also kill all the avahi processes you don't need them
[20:05] <ali1234> wat
[20:05] <andysucks> ok done
[20:05] <magpie> they are local network discovery
[20:05] <ali1234> why are you killing things
[20:06] <andysucks> becuse my tiny netbook cant run very well right now
[20:06] <magpie> so hes not struggling to run the programs he needs to run
[20:06] <ali1234> unzip?
[20:06] <magpie> yup
[20:06] <andysucks> sad but true
[20:06] <andysucks> it wont complete
[20:06] <mungbean> suddenly a load of albums i wanted that areusually 10£+ are 2.99 on amazon...BUY!
[20:06] <andysucks> and locks up ubuntu completley
[20:07] <ali1234> you are using livecd?
[20:07] <andysucks> nice mungbean!
[20:07] <andysucks> no alil234 im using teh achive thing built in
[20:07] <magpie> not uet but he will be
[20:07] <magpie> try runnig the command from terminal
[20:07] <magpie> unzip file.zip
[20:08] <ali1234> waaaaaat
[20:08] <magpie> but make sure you are in the right directory first
[20:09] <andysucks> ~/downloads will get me into teh directoy right?
[20:10] <andysucks> I wouldnt keep asking but i keep re booting due to the lock up and loosing the conversation
[20:12] <andysucks> and magpie the exe errors when i drop it into the USB
[20:12] <andysucks> for unetbootin
[20:14] <popey> I fully don't understand what on earth is going on here.
[20:14] <popey> so I am out.
[20:14] <magpie> you don't drop it
[20:14] <magpie> sorry popey
[20:14] <andysucks> No im sorry
[20:14] <andysucks> for spamming you all
[20:15] <magpie> andysucks has a virus
[20:15] <andysucks> and being so usless
[20:15] <magpie> and we're talking him through a clean reinstall
[20:16] <magpie> andysucks
[20:16] <magpie> type
[20:16] <magpie> ls
[20:16] <magpie> into terminal
[20:16] <mungbean> On Linux systems, Cloud Player only supports downloading songs one at a time. To download your music, deselect all tick boxes, select the tick box for the song you want to download, then click the "Download" button.
[20:16] <mungbean> whaat?
[20:17] <andysucks> sec magpie its in the Downloads cd itslisting teh files there
[20:17] <andysucks> need get back to home sec
[20:17] <magpie> this tells you all thejust typ
[20:17] <magpie> cd Downloads
[20:18] <magpie> or did you already unzip it?
[20:18] <andysucks> i have the exe in downloads it came as one
[20:18] <andysucks> was lookign at the AVG thing
[20:18] <andysucks> would be easist
[20:19] <andysucks> sec sorry im confusing even myself
[20:19] <magpie> oh then you might need to download the unebootin for linux
[20:19] <magpie> can you do this?
[20:19] <andysucks> ye should be ok
[20:20] <magpie> unless you can boot into safe mode windows the unetbootin will need to be the linux one if ur mounting the disk image of lubuntu from ubuntu
[20:20] <magpie> it's a small file yeah
[20:21] <KevanV> I just subscribed tonight!
[20:21] <KevanV> sorry wrong window!
[20:21] <magpie> kevanV to what?
[20:21] <magpie> lol
[20:21] <KevanV> linuxoutlaws :)
[20:27] <andysucks> magpie you use skype?
[20:29] <andysucks> wait nevermind its not install here...
[20:30] <magpie> nope sorry
[20:30] <magpie> i just clicked on something and it took me out for some reason where have you got to?
[20:32] <andysucks> apart from pulling all my hair out you mean?
[20:32] <magpie> relax
[20:32] <magpie> have you got unetbootin downloaded?
[20:32] <magpie> the linux version?
[20:33] <andysucks> crashed before i could
[20:33] <magpie> have you the spare HD?
[20:33] <magpie> try again
[20:33] <andysucks> nope just a small 4gb USB HD is GF and well isnt helpful to say the least
[20:33] <magpie> lol
[20:33] <andysucks> what did u say the name of the file was in teh start up of windows mate?
[20:35] <magpie>  unzip
[20:35] <magpie> sorry
[20:35] <magpie> .ctfmon.lnk
[20:36] <andysucks> hmm everything says safe mode but that doesnt help me bah annoying
[20:38] <andysucks> one moment please
[20:38] <magpie> hold on
[20:39] <magpie> i'll give you the full directory
[20:39] <magpie> you need to go to C:\Users\Username\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Program\Startup\ctfmon.lnk
[20:39] <andysucks> question if i can get safemode with command prompt would i be able to do anything with that?
[20:40] <magpie> yes!
[20:40] <magpie> thats what you want
[20:40] <andysucks> ok i think im able to get command prompt up but i have no idea what to write
[20:42] <magpie> dir
[20:42] <magpie> that lists the directories
[20:44] <andysucks> is teh extension .lnk a file or  program?
[20:44] <magpie> it wont be there we need to navigate to is
[20:44] <Darael> andysucks: Windows Shortcut.
[20:44] <magpie> what did the dir print back?
[20:45] <magpie> we need to find out what directoriy u are in before we can find the directory of the virus
[20:45] <andysucks> issue is idhave to log off here and boot the windows patrtion
[20:46] <andysucks> which is annoying and confusin or everyone here
[20:46] <magpie> why do u need to log off?
[20:46] <magpie> now you are in you may as well find the file and destroy it
[20:47] <andysucks> huh ok u want me to do that from ubuntu?
[20:47] <andysucks> ok sec
[20:47] <andysucks> im in the home directory of ubuntu im not in the command propt for windows without re logging
[20:48] <andysucks> sorry if you thought i was i was just reading something on a website and i have been into safe mode with prompt but couldnt do anything as my dos knowledge is 0
[20:49] <magpie> oh u confused me
[20:49] <andysucks> yes im sorry
[20:50] <magpie> just install run unetbootin when it downloads
[20:53] <andysucks> is why  suggested skype as well easier to make sense of my rambling
[20:55] <andysucks> i have no unetbootin the linux version downloaded
[20:55] <magpie> i'm gunna have to head in a few
[20:55] <magpie> please write the instruction down and check u understood
[20:56] <magpie> you need the linux unetbootin
[20:56] <andysucks> i wrote it down earlie mate :)
[20:57] <andysucks> if u need to go its cool
[20:57] <andysucks> and im so sorry all and anyone who ive bugged annoyed and cofused this evening
[20:58] <magpie> ok any problems i suggest you handle rest when you can get on a laptop so you can stay online whilst your booting and things
[20:58] <magpie> but try to stay calm and just go through step by step
[20:59] <magpie> if you panic you can easily make a mistake but if ur methodical there'll be no trouble saving your stuff and fixing your net book
[20:59] <magpie> take care and good luck with it.