| apachelogger | valorie: <3 | 00:25 |
|---|---|---|
| valorie | and this is me on Konvi Version 1.5-branch #4215 on my 32-bit netbook | 00:43 |
| valorie | time to get ready to see my daddy tonight | 00:44 |
| ScottK | I guess we need to decide if the vUDS thing is any better than getting together on Mumble again. | 01:48 |
| ScottK | In case anyone else noticed the whining on kubuntu-users about kdepim address autocompletion in KDE 4.10.2, I just cherrypicked the fix and uploaded to raring. Someone who cares might want to update the PPAs too. | 03:18 |
| valorie | ScottK: what would be cool is if telepathy became good and reliable for us to us | 04:55 |
| valorie | our own tech | 04:55 |
| * valorie couldn't get mumble to work | 04:55 | |
| Mirv | Riddell: have you got any further idea on the skype/qtwebkit issue? | 07:01 |
| lordievader | Good morning | 07:16 |
| shadeslayer | skype/webkit issue? it works fine for me | 07:23 |
| lordievader | There were a couple of people lately with problems, Skype+Raring. (Works fine for me too ;)) | 07:25 |
| apachelogger | dpm: heya, two more apps needing review https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/kubuntu-notification-helper/+imports https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/kubuntu-firefox-installer/+imports | 07:38 |
| dpm | morning apachelogger, approved :) | 07:39 |
| apachelogger | <3 dpm | 07:40 |
| apachelogger | dpm: any idea when we would get to see the first langpack export? | 07:40 |
| apachelogger | we are very close to having a working localization again :D | 07:40 |
| dpm | apachelogger, I've had not much time to spend on translations this cycle. I'll see if I can block tomorrow to make it a translations day and look at it | 07:42 |
| apachelogger | dpm: this would be really awesome | 07:42 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: skype + qtwebkit 2.3 + proprietary graphics driver => SIGSEGV | 07:56 |
| shadeslayer | aha | 07:56 |
| shadeslayer | so it's a proprietary driver issue no? | 07:57 |
| yofel | well, downgrading qtwebkit works for all drivers | 07:57 |
| shadeslayer | h | 07:57 |
| yofel | and I don't believe they build against qtwebkit | 07:57 |
| shadeslayer | huh | 07:57 |
| yofel | the bt is crap though, so hardly debuggable | 07:57 |
| shadeslayer | so, RC works and final release doesn't? | 07:57 |
| yofel | no, 2.3 doesn't work, you need to install qtwebkit from 12.10 | 07:58 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 07:58 |
| yofel | use that in raring and skype works fine | 07:58 |
| shadeslayer | using qtwebkit from 12.10 will be bad for the browsers :/ | 07:59 |
| lordievader | Is it something that can be fixed in the 2.3 version of qtwebkit? | 07:59 |
| yofel | dunno, bug 1155327 | 07:59 |
| ubottu | bug 1155327 in skype (Ubuntu Raring) "skype crashed with SIGSEGV in malloc@plt()" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1155327 | 07:59 |
| lordievader | Hopefully it will be fixed before the release. | 08:00 |
| apachelogger | hm | 08:06 |
| apachelogger | I had audio | 08:06 |
| apachelogger | and then I didn't | 08:06 |
| apachelogger | ah yes | 08:07 |
| apachelogger | alsa | 08:07 |
| apachelogger | love of my life | 08:07 |
| apachelogger | it's like X11 except it's audio | 08:07 |
| lordievader | Hehe and to make it even better there is the combination of Alsa and Pulseaudio :D | 08:08 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: any ideas if we should still have this http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/nepomuk-core/view/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_strigi_ram_detection.diff | 08:11 |
| shadeslayer | because it won't work | 08:11 |
| vHanda | shadeslayer: why don't you just fix the patch? | 08:11 |
| * shadeslayer wonders who authored that, no DEP 3 | 08:11 | |
| shadeslayer | vHanda: yeah, but the question is do we ship it or drop it | 08:11 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: no strigiiii | 08:12 |
| shadeslayer | I don't know the reason why we added that patch | 08:12 |
| apachelogger | at the very leas the patchy name is wrong :P | 08:12 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: yeah, so theoretically the 1GB limit is crap | 08:12 |
| apachelogger | oh | 08:13 |
| apachelogger | ssl in python is broken | 08:13 |
| apachelogger | nice | 08:13 |
| shadeslayer | really? 0.o | 08:13 |
| apachelogger | takes forever and 3 days | 08:13 |
| apachelogger | or perhaps my pythonssl is broken | 08:14 |
| shadeslayer | well, I was getting weird errors | 08:14 |
| apachelogger | I blame alsa | 08:14 |
| shadeslayer | last night | 08:14 |
| apachelogger | you could have pasted the patch ya know :P | 08:14 |
| apachelogger | + if (service->desktopEntryName() == "nepomukstrigiservice") { | 08:14 |
| apachelogger | that's wrong | 08:14 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: patch needs changing to nepomukserver | 08:15 |
| shadeslayer | but do we really need the patch now | 08:15 |
| shadeslayer | because strigi is gone | 08:15 |
| apachelogger | I don't know, ask ScottK | 08:15 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: ^^ | 08:16 |
| shadeslayer | IMHO we can just drop it because indexing doesn't take up a boatload of RAM now | 08:16 |
| apachelogger | from the patch it seems that it was added to prevent nepomuk from running on systems with <= 1gib ram | 08:16 |
| apachelogger | well.... | 08:16 |
| * vHanda would recommend some actual testing | 08:16 | |
| apachelogger | I think vHanda should apply that upstream and reduce the value to something like 512mib | 08:17 |
| apachelogger | there is some usefulness to not having it use resources on weak systems | 08:18 |
| apachelogger | like say a netbook | 08:18 |
| apachelogger | though most netbooks have 1gib so that is probably where that value comes from | 08:18 |
| apachelogger | however... | 08:18 |
| vHanda | I doubt we will encounter many systems with 512 ram running kde | 08:18 |
| apachelogger | recent cheapo tablets also like to have 1gib | 08:19 |
| apachelogger | so | 08:19 |
| apachelogger | ... | 08:19 |
| apachelogger | roll a dice | 08:19 |
| vHanda | If you guys have some time to test out how much memory this new file indexer takes that would be awesome | 08:19 |
| vHanda | cause it should take a lot less, but I haven't done concrete testing | 08:19 |
| apachelogger | all nepomuks take 31mib it seems | 08:20 |
| apachelogger | being idle | 08:20 |
| valorie | I just read up, and noticed talk about getting to Bilbao | 08:22 |
| valorie | I'm planning to take the bus from Madrid | 08:22 |
| valorie | anyone else going to Madrid first? | 08:22 |
| shadeslayer | what's in Madrid? | 08:22 |
| apachelogger | a bus station :P | 08:23 |
| shadeslayer | lol | 08:23 |
| valorie | the Prado! | 08:24 |
| valorie | and a big airport, which is why I'll be there first | 08:24 |
| valorie | should be hotter than the hubs of hell | 08:24 |
| valorie | unfortunately | 08:25 |
| valorie | Bilbao will be nicer | 08:25 |
| yofel | seems like I can fly from stuttgart to bilbao directly | 08:26 |
| eos | hi vHanda .... do you mind a couple of questions? we have a long hanging at start on a production machine due to nepomukservices apparently .... we are talking about mayve 300 sec. 64 bit, kernel 3.5, kde 4.10.2, distribution kubuntu 12.10. Fairly stable. | 08:27 |
| vHanda | eos: shoot | 08:27 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: where did you book the accomodation? I still need to do that | 08:28 |
| vHanda | 12.10 = which kde version? | 08:28 |
| eos | vHanda: we do not understand where this hang up comes from. when the machine is shut down with no new files, the hang up happens all the same. | 08:28 |
| vHanda | yofel: shadeslayer: Aren't KDE e.V booking that? | 08:28 |
| eos | vHanda: it seems the indexeer is trying to index something that is not there. | 08:28 |
| yofel | vHanda: I don't get sponsored, so I probably need to take care about that myself? | 08:28 |
| vHanda | probably :) | 08:29 |
| vHanda | eos: I'll need to know which KDE version you're running | 08:29 |
| yofel | on that topic | 08:29 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: it's Blas de Ottero ( or something like that ) | 08:29 |
| vHanda | also which process is the blocking one (the full process name, not just the executable name) | 08:29 |
| eos | vHanda: yes, I put it in my orignal message. | 08:29 |
| eos | vHanda: 64 bit, kernel 3.5, kde 4.10.2, distribution kubuntu 12.10. Fairly stable. | 08:29 |
| vHanda | ah | 08:29 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: http://akademy2013.kde.org/accommodation | 08:30 |
| vHanda | sorry. Okay. now I'm interested since it's 10.2 | 08:30 |
| * apachelogger should look into travel organization tomorrow -.- | 08:30 | |
| yofel | Riddell: any chance I could bill kubuntu at least for my flight costs? (some ~230€ from what I see) | 08:31 |
| vHanda | eos: lets take this over to #nepomuk-kde ? | 08:31 |
| eos | vHanda: ok! | 08:32 |
| apachelogger | oh | 08:36 |
| apachelogger | there is a bug! | 08:36 |
| apachelogger | NO | 08:36 |
| apachelogger | :@ | 08:36 |
| starbuck1 | ping Riddell | 08:50 |
| starbuck1 | I can confirm with the latest beta2, the installer bug "the attempt to mount a file system with type swap in SCSI2 (0,0,0) partition #5 (sda) at none failed" is there | 08:52 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: yofel do you guys have idea why user-manager is not in the seeds? | 08:52 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: not an adequate replacement for userconfig IMO | 08:53 |
| yofel | (yet) | 08:53 |
| shadeslayer | I see | 08:53 |
| shadeslayer | afiestas_: ^^ | 08:53 |
| yofel | most notably: you cannot manage groups | 08:53 |
| yofel | and I don't want to replace userconfig with user-manager+kuser | 08:54 |
| shadeslayer | I don't think user-manager was ever targetted towards managing groups | 08:54 |
| apachelogger | yofel: is userconfig working? | 08:54 |
| yofel | well, how do you manage them? and don't dare to say CLI | 08:54 |
| shadeslayer | the entire point of user-manager was to be able to manager users in a very simple way | 08:54 |
| yofel | apachelogger: yes | 08:54 |
| shadeslayer | if you're managing groups, use userconfig/kuser | 08:55 |
| apachelogger | you do not manage user groups | 08:55 |
| apachelogger | ! | 08:55 |
| shadeslayer | exactly | 08:55 |
| apachelogger | you manage users | 08:55 |
| apachelogger | who can be admin or user | 08:55 |
| yofel | sure, but you need to be able to add a user to a group | 08:55 |
| apachelogger | end of story :P | 08:55 |
| yofel | that's REALITY | 08:55 |
| apachelogger | no you don't | 08:55 |
| apachelogger | you need to be able to make a user admin | 08:55 |
| apachelogger | any other use case is some obscure geek crap | 08:55 |
| shadeslayer | yep | 08:55 |
| * apachelogger breaks grub2 | 08:56 | |
| valorie | "obscure geek crap"? | 08:57 |
| smartboyhw | UDS-1305 got announced. | 08:57 |
| valorie | don't you mean LINUX? | 08:57 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: surely you mean vUDS | 08:57 |
| valorie | I'm sorry, I mean GNU/Linux | 08:58 |
| apachelogger | lol | 08:58 |
| apachelogger | real geeks don't use linux anymore | 08:58 |
| apachelogger | it's gotten too mainstream | 08:58 |
| apachelogger | nowadays we cool kids use some bsd | 08:58 |
| yofel | right | 08:58 |
| apachelogger | alas, my laptop is not booting with bsd anymore :( | 08:58 |
| apachelogger | I broke something | 08:58 |
| shadeslayer | heh, I've been meaning to try out bsd | 08:58 |
| Riddell | hi starbuck1 | 09:00 |
| Riddell | starbuck1: it's the same bug you pointed to yesterday? | 09:01 |
| valorie | I remember my son bemoaning how easy linux was getting to be | 09:01 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer: Yep. | 09:01 |
| valorie | it's like some obscure band which makes it big | 09:01 |
| valorie | the old fans bemoan the good old days | 09:01 |
| valorie | when the band was THEIRS | 09:02 |
| Riddell | yofel: coming to akademy? | 09:02 |
| yofel | Riddell: yep | 09:02 |
| lordievader | smartboyhw: The people with Skype problems in Raring are suffering from bug 1155327. | 09:02 |
| ubottu | bug 1155327 in skype (Ubuntu Raring) "skype crashed with SIGSEGV in malloc@plt()" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1155327 | 09:02 |
| * yofel doesn't bemoan the good old days. groups are simply a part of linux permission management | 09:03 | |
| Riddell | yofel: great, I'd be all for kubuntu paying for useful people's travel, that'll need to be proposed to the council | 09:03 |
| yofel | and unless we have a sane ACL implementation that won't change much | 09:03 |
| yofel | Riddell: true, I'll write up a mail once I get to it | 09:04 |
| apachelogger | yofel: we have that, it changes nothing | 09:05 |
| smartboyhw | lordievader: Not good:( | 09:06 |
| apachelogger | groups are a big part of any permission management | 09:06 |
| apachelogger | that does not mean they need to be managed by users | 09:06 |
| lordievader | smartboyhw: Yofel found a fix though, install Quantal's version of qtwebkit... :( | 09:06 |
| yofel | that's not a fix... | 09:06 |
| lordievader | Workaround then ;) | 09:07 |
| yofel | another thing would be to LD_PRELOAD mesa's libgl it seems | 09:07 |
| apachelogger | a tool needs not necessarily be used by users *and* sysadmins | 09:07 |
| yofel | which is freaky | 09:07 |
| apachelogger | in particular user management is something where you can have a simple tool for your actually common tasks like making someone admin so they can install new games or something | 09:07 |
| apachelogger | and at the same time a sysadmin tool that can manage ldap and stuff | 09:08 |
| yofel | ok, so what do we do? use user-manager, remove user part of userconfig and rename it to group-manager? | 09:09 |
| apachelogger | userconfig is unmaintained | 09:09 |
| apachelogger | we'd have user-manager and we'd have kuser | 09:09 |
| yofel | then make a replacement. I just consider not being able to manage groups a regression (and no, I don't count konsole as a UI) | 09:10 |
| apachelogger | -.- | 09:10 |
| apachelogger | kuser | 09:10 |
| apachelogger | . | 09:10 |
| apachelogger | userconfig is a crap tool compared to kuser | 09:10 |
| yofel | hm | 09:11 |
| apachelogger | ldap support is a must-have for sysadmin user maangement | 09:11 |
| yofel | hm.... | 09:11 |
| yofel | ... | 09:11 |
| smartboyhw | .:.…. | 09:11 |
| yofel | :D | 09:11 |
| smartboyhw | LOL | 09:12 |
| yofel | apachelogger making sense feels weird | 09:12 |
| smartboyhw | yofel: Why? | 09:12 |
| yofel | just talking rubbish | 09:12 |
| apachelogger | yofel: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/04/09/plasma-desktopYG2215.png | 09:12 |
| apachelogger | regarding ACL btw | 09:12 |
| apachelogger | no clue why ext doesn't enable it by default | 09:13 |
| afiestas_ | well, we could hve dicussed this when we brought the topic in the mailist | 09:14 |
| afiestas_ | (and it seemed that everybody agreed on user manager) or in UDS | 09:14 |
| yofel | @_@ | 09:14 |
| apachelogger | [ubuntu/raring-proposed] grub2 2.00-13ubuntu3 (Accepted) | 09:15 |
| apachelogger | this is going to be fun | 09:15 |
| yofel | apachelogger: so what would be your plan, add user-manager and kuser instead of userconfig? | 09:15 |
| apachelogger | no kuser | 09:16 |
| apachelogger | why would you put kuser on the seed? | 09:17 |
| yofel | I'm currently trying to decide whether it's the intended procedure to have someone read the KDE admin manual to find out how to manage groups | 09:18 |
| yofel | otherwise people will never know about kuser | 09:18 |
| yofel | it doesn't feel very constistent to have dolphin manage group permissions, but not being able to manage those groups anywhere | 09:19 |
| yofel | *consistent | 09:19 |
| apachelogger | what's a use case? | 09:20 |
| Riddell | having a folder which is shared between several users? | 09:26 |
| yofel | was thinking about that, but you can do that in other ways too | 09:27 |
| Riddell | for home users I'd imagine the main use case is adding and deleting users | 09:27 |
| yofel | unless it really needs to be restricted to a specific group - which you would probably never do on a standalone system | 09:27 |
| yofel | apachelogger: I fear I stand beaten - except for the case of some retarded system service that needs a user in a specific group so it works | 09:29 |
| apachelogger | yofel: those services should then add it via postinst | 09:43 |
| yofel | apachelogger: just looked up the original discussion on the ML. We did talk about groups, but I can't see an actual decision on what to do | 09:55 |
| * yofel -> lunch | 09:56 | |
| apachelogger | Riddell: bug 1164854 got screenshots now | 10:16 |
| ubottu | bug 1164854 in kubuntu-settings (Ubuntu) "[UIFE] Kubuntu Boot Artwork Update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1164854 | 10:16 |
| smartboyhw_ | \o/ | 10:19 |
| lordievader | Looks good apachelogger :D | 10:20 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: does that align with the lightdm/ksplash/plasma themes | 10:28 |
| Riddell | ? | 10:28 |
| shadeslayer | it's better than the gray stuff we currently have ;P | 10:30 |
| Riddell | what potential bugs could come from updating this? | 10:32 |
| * Riddell nudges apachelogger ⇈ | 10:39 | |
| apachelogger | Riddell: doesn't align as we won't change the ones you mentioned, though the new boot artwork is pretty neutral colorwise so it will be less of a color clash than what we have now | 10:46 |
| apachelogger | potential bugs: broken plymouth splash | 10:47 |
| apachelogger | whoops, disconnected | 10:49 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: did you get my reply? | 10:49 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: yep | 10:49 |
| apachelogger | k | 10:49 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: is there a text only theme for plymouth? | 10:49 |
| apachelogger | ah yes | 10:50 |
| apachelogger | forgot to snapshot that | 10:50 |
| apachelogger | basically just black background with white colors for the rest | 10:50 |
| apachelogger | eh, black background, white name, blue dots (i.e. like the 16bit one) | 10:51 |
| * apachelogger needs to pitch about-distro to some other distros | 10:52 | |
| apachelogger | hm | 11:05 |
| apachelogger | agateau_: I am wondering about perhaps allowing the about-distro config to overload the distro name | 11:07 |
| apachelogger | e.g. kubuntu-settings-desktop would override Ubuntu to Kubuntu; kubuntu-settings-active would overrride Kubuntu to Kubuntu Active | 11:07 |
| apachelogger | such that you could establish product branding ontop of the same platform | 11:08 |
| Riddell | popey: would it be snobby to suggest we only allow users who know their own e-mail address? | 11:14 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: override /etc/lsb-release ? | 11:14 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: yes | 11:16 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 11:18 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: how would it know where to look for the override? | 11:18 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: it'd be config based | 11:18 |
| apachelogger | so regular settings cascade | 11:19 |
| apachelogger | kubuntu-settings-active has its own kcm-about-distrorc with Name=Kubuntu Active | 11:19 |
| apachelogger | kubuntu-settings-desktop has a kcm-about-distrorc with Name=Kubuntu | 11:19 |
| apachelogger | linux-mint-settings has kcm-about-distro with Name=Linux Mint KDE or something | 11:20 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: that could work | 11:20 |
| apachelogger | in a UI context that would nicely do away with the paltform vs. product problem of LSB | 11:20 |
| === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch | ||
| Riddell | apachelogger: bug 1164854 approved! | 11:23 |
| ubottu | bug 1164854 in kubuntu-settings (Ubuntu) "[UIFE] Kubuntu Boot Artwork Update" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1164854 | 11:23 |
| apachelogger | \o/ | 11:23 |
| apachelogger | <3 | 11:24 |
| smartboyhw | apachelogger, what happened?:) | 11:24 |
| smartboyhw | Hmm digiKam 3.2.0-beta1 is out. | 11:24 |
| smartboyhw | Should we package it into Raring? (Probably not an good idea now) | 11:25 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: too late for beta things | 11:25 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: now calligra on the other hand... | 11:25 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, yep:) | 11:25 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, damn let me download:P | 11:25 |
| * smartboyhw packages calligra NOW | 11:25 | |
| * apachelogger yawns NOW | 11:26 | |
| Riddell | thanks :) | 11:26 |
| smartboyhw | apachelogger, lOL | 11:26 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, hmm how do I receive updates for new calligra packaging? Seems no way to know:P | 11:27 |
| popey | Riddell: +1 | 11:27 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: they're posted to the top secret kde-packager list | 11:28 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, grrr:P | 11:28 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: I think that needs a bug filed on b.k.o for sysadmin to subscribe you | 11:28 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, b.k.o? | 11:28 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: file one and I'll back you up | 11:28 |
| Riddell | bugs.kde.org | 11:28 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, :) | 11:28 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: bug 1157280 | 11:31 |
| ubottu | bug 1157280 in kubuntu-settings (Ubuntu) "print-manager plasmoid not applied on update" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1157280 | 11:32 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, some strange things though. (Like Reproducibility or that:P) | 11:32 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, what should I set for severity? | 11:33 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: hmm, I did that :( | 11:34 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: just put junk in there | 11:34 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, did:P | 11:34 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, severity = ? | 11:34 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: do you have /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma-desktop/updates/02-add-print-manager.js ? | 11:35 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: as high as you dare | 11:35 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, I don't dare more than normal:P | 11:35 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318083 | 11:36 |
| ubottu | Error: Error getting KDE bug #318083: NotPermitted | 11:36 |
| smartboyhw | LOL | 11:36 |
| yofel | sysadmin requests are private | 11:36 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, ah. | 11:36 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: hm | 11:36 |
| yofel | smartboyhw: added a todo for calligra somewhere? | 11:36 |
| yofel | just so we know who's working on it | 11:36 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, probably not. Trello board editing now:P | 11:37 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: ah yes | 11:37 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: works now | 11:37 |
| yofel | do we really need to use trello for that... | 11:37 |
| * apachelogger manages Riddell's trello cards now :O | 11:37 | |
| smartboyhw | apachelogger, :O | 11:38 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, erm anyway no problems I think | 11:38 |
| === dpm is now known as dpm-desktop | ||
| yofel | well, no, it's just that we now have like 3 locations where we track packaging todo's | 11:39 |
| * davmor2 wonders where the maniacal laughter is coming from, oh apachelogger has his mic on again :D | 11:39 | |
| smartboyhw | yofel, we *should* make it centralized. | 11:40 |
| yofel | smartboyhw: there's a tradeoff between centralized, managable and consistency. We'll need to talk about that at Akademy | 11:41 |
| apachelogger | yofel: not a problem as long as they are all tracked on trello | 11:42 |
| apachelogger | just slab the links on the description | 11:42 |
| yofel | then put a link on the ninja pad that points people to the board in trello that they should look at | 11:43 |
| Riddell | when should trello be used and when a bug is an issue | 11:45 |
| Riddell | I have a todo item to sort out bugs needed for release | 11:46 |
| Riddell | but I'm not sure if they should go on trello or what | 11:46 |
| Riddell | shouldn't be a big issue, trello is just work items but slicker | 11:47 |
| apachelogger | IMO use trello whenver you have an work item that is not a bug *or* when you have a bug that needs fixing on multiple levels (or needs multiple steps to fix in general) *or* you have an issue/bug that is of general interest to the team at large | 11:53 |
| apachelogger | glorified team todo | 11:53 |
| apachelogger | having a bug and a trello card is unavoidable at times though ... e.g. getting plymouth artwork changed required the team to make the changes and then the formal process of getting a freeze exception | 11:55 |
| apachelogger | so I suppose on a general note things that need formal documentation ought to go into bugs; that does however not mean that there cannot be a trello card as well | 11:56 |
| yofel | right, it makes perfect sense when you have multiple steps that you can define in advance | 11:56 |
| apachelogger | (bugs are technically not meant to be used as a means to trakc work items :)) | 11:56 |
| yofel | they work pretty well though for package requests | 11:57 |
| apachelogger | yofel: mh, it's a matter of scaling really | 11:57 |
| apachelogger | you can have a big card with many steps | 11:58 |
| apachelogger | or many tiny cards | 11:58 |
| apachelogger | or many boards with many cards | 11:58 |
| yofel | how do you draw the line there? | 11:58 |
| apachelogger | you don't need to? :P | 11:58 |
| apachelogger | whatever works best... | 11:58 |
| yofel | for 4.10.2 I found the trello card to be pretty useless | 11:58 |
| apachelogger | e.g. if you wanted to track release packaging you could do that in a board | 11:59 |
| apachelogger | for columns you'd have the discrete state of a package | 11:59 |
| apachelogger | needs-upload; needs-building; built; needs-testing; whathaveyou... | 11:59 |
| apachelogger | you then move the cards (packages) from state to state | 12:00 |
| apachelogger | once all arrived in the good-to-publish column you are done | 12:00 |
| Riddell | ktp has stopped connecting to facebook and gtalk for me, should I be worried? | 12:00 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: probably shadeslayer broke it? :P | 12:00 |
| yofel | gtalk works here, but took a while to connect | 12:00 |
| shadeslayer | works fine for me | 12:00 |
| smartboyhw | apachelogger, :P | 12:00 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger broke it by releasing phonon | 12:01 |
| apachelogger | it's funny because I didn't | 12:01 |
| apachelogger | also it's sad because I didn't | 12:01 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: kde-telepathy is onlt 0.5.80? | 12:02 |
| apachelogger | also breaking kde4libs now | 12:02 |
| yofel | apachelogger: that in itself makes sense, but esp. for packaging I would like to have things where all people with permission to change a package can find the TODO | 12:02 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: the meta package wasn't updated, I don't think it's required to update that | 12:02 |
| yofel | and ubuntu's de-facto standard for that are bugs right now | 12:02 |
| yofel | the todo items are primarily meant for notes and to prevent duplicate work | 12:02 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: it means if I want to get the latest kde-telepathy by installing kde-telepathy it doesn't update | 12:03 |
| apachelogger | yofel: as I said whatever works best | 12:03 |
| apachelogger | e.g. needs-packaging should not go to trello IMO | 12:03 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: whut? the meta package depends on >= 0.5.80 | 12:04 |
| apachelogger | not only anyway | 12:04 |
| yofel | we need a page that explains what to use when and where to find it | 12:04 |
| yofel | todo for akademy | 12:04 |
| apachelogger | first we ought to discuss whether we are going to continue using trello :P | 12:04 |
| apachelogger | seeing as I am the only one using it excessively anyway :P | 12:05 |
| Riddell | it's a question of whether it's good enough to replace work items | 12:05 |
| Riddell | does it scale well to the number of WIs we have? | 12:05 |
| yofel | hey, I use it too, and shadeslayer I believe | 12:05 |
| smartboyhw | apachelogger, em we just used it for 1 or 2 months I think | 12:05 |
| shadeslayer | indeedly | 12:05 |
| shadeslayer | I use it as well | 12:05 |
| apachelogger | yofel: not as much as me :P | 12:06 |
| Riddell | oh and will other ubuntu teams get confused/annoyed by us not using the work items they're used to | 12:06 |
| apachelogger | <- quite the fanboy | 12:06 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: WIs are broken, not our fault :P | 12:06 |
| Riddell | and it means we won't get pretty graphs of work items, but then do we care? | 12:06 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: regarding scaling though ... it really only depends on how we approach it | 12:06 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, I don't:P | 12:06 |
| yofel | IMO they're more flexible than blueprints. And ubuntu's todo item burndown page is just broken | 12:06 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, why!/ | 12:06 |
| smartboyhw | ? | 12:07 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: e.g. stuffing all the crap into one board is likely not going to be successful | 12:07 |
| yofel | smartboyhw: broken? I would like a page that doesn't have broken links all over the page | 12:07 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, hmm.. | 12:07 |
| yofel | maybe they improved it, but my last impression of it was pretty much a static page | 12:07 |
| yofel | might as well make it a picture | 12:07 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, try the current one. | 12:08 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: so I believe what was a blueprint ought to be a board in trello, so per board you have some 10-20 work items which is stil fine | 12:08 |
| smartboyhw | It does update for us. | 12:08 |
| yofel | smartboyhw: got a link? forgot where it was | 12:08 |
| smartboyhw | status.ubuntu.com yofel | 12:08 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: uploaded meta-kde-telepathy | 12:08 |
| shadeslayer | needs approval probably | 12:08 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: another approach would be to replace a blueprint with a meta-card ... i.e. a card with a checklist of subitems, then whenver someone starts working on an item they tick it in the metacard and create a new card for that item | 12:09 |
| apachelogger | creation on-demand one coudl call that ^^ | 12:09 |
| * apachelogger likes the multi-board approach better though | 12:09 | |
| yofel | smartboyhw: for example: you have a work item related to studio and wubi. But if I click on your name there I end up on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+specs?role=assignee | 12:09 |
| yofel | that's obviously the wrong query | 12:09 |
| apachelogger | yofel: they are much more borken than that | 12:10 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, you said "You want to find a page that doesn't have broken links er well the main page isn't:P | 12:11 |
| yofel | ok, they seem to have fixed most of the rest of the page | 12:11 |
| apachelogger | hard to edt if there are loads of items | 12:11 |
| apachelogger | hard to find an item | 12:11 |
| apachelogger | cannot comment on an item | 12:11 |
| apachelogger | cannot use arbitrary states for an item | 12:11 |
| yofel | "cannot comment on an item" - THAT is true | 12:11 |
| apachelogger | cannot have properly assign more than one person | 12:12 |
| apachelogger | no history on items | 12:12 |
| yofel | can't you have the same workitem twice? with different assignees | 12:12 |
| apachelogger | can't tag items (Such that I could go show-me-all-programming-stuffz) | 12:12 |
| Mirv | shadeslayer: lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtcreator-qt4 compiled at ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-staging has now something that at least starts | 12:12 |
| apachelogger | yofel: yes | 12:12 |
| apachelogger | yofel: now say you need to change that item | 12:12 |
| apachelogger | what will you have to do? :P | 12:13 |
| apachelogger | ... | 12:13 |
| smartboyhw | add oil on criticizing:P | 12:13 |
| yofel | go into an editing frenzy :P | 12:13 |
| apachelogger | say you have 4 assignees or more | 12:13 |
| smartboyhw | Hmm calligra went here already. | 12:13 |
| Mirv | and probably works as well, no reason not to. conflicts with normal qtcreator since it's not co-installable. | 12:13 |
| smartboyhw | here = my computer:P | 12:14 |
| shadeslayer | hurrah | 12:16 |
| shadeslayer | will test later | 12:16 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, do comment for me on the KDE sysadmin bug:) | 12:17 |
| * apachelogger looks at shadeslayer | 12:21 | |
| shadeslayer | what | 12:21 |
| shadeslayer | what | 12:21 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22078746 | 12:21 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: turns out I'm not elite enough to see it | 12:22 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: but they'll come to me anyway if you said it's for kubuntu | 12:22 |
| apachelogger | smartboyhw needs ot sub your bko address | 12:22 |
| apachelogger | or mine | 12:22 |
| apachelogger | sitter@kde.org | 12:22 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: about as ironic as IBM complaining about MS's monopoly | 12:23 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: | 12:24 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: | 12:24 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: yeah :P | 12:24 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: what is it? | 12:25 |
| apachelogger | I forgot! | 12:25 |
| shadeslayer | ... | 12:25 |
| apachelogger | it was something hawt | 12:26 |
| apachelogger | ah! | 12:26 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: | 12:26 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: you totally want to blog about our cool new boot artwork, don't you? | 12:26 |
| shadeslayer | nope | 12:26 |
| apachelogger | -.- | 12:27 |
| apachelogger | must I do everything myself... | 12:27 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: I can, I need more +ve things on my blog | 12:27 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: is it in yet? | 12:27 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: got an accepted mail anyway | 12:27 |
| apachelogger | sec | 12:27 |
| apachelogger | no | 12:27 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: accepted into proposed and built | 12:28 |
| * apachelogger needs to prep debiancd and poke cj and fix rekonq and fix lightdm and fix screenlocking -.- | 12:29 | |
| apachelogger | :@ | 12:29 |
| apachelogger | actually looking may be fixed in .2 I reckon | 12:29 |
| apachelogger | s/looking/locking/ | 12:29 |
| kubotu | apachelogger meant: "actually locking may be fixed in .2 I reckon" | 12:29 |
| yofel | depends how you define "fixed" | 12:31 |
| yofel | or what was the broken part again? | 12:32 |
| yofel | (except having a password field when it's not actually locked) | 12:32 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: ah, if you want you can also mention low-fat ugrades ... along with improvements inside kde software itself low-fat can now reduce memory consumption by up to 60% | 12:36 |
| apachelogger | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/04/09/plasma-desktopxS2215.png | 12:36 |
| apachelogger | down from 370 | 12:36 |
| apachelogger | s/upgrades/updates even | 12:36 |
| === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback | ||
| apachelogger | yofel: not locking at all | 12:37 |
| apachelogger | need to go afk to test :P | 12:37 |
| yofel | locks when I tell it to lock and when I suspend | 12:37 |
| Riddell | mck182: has libkfacebook disappeared from akonadi-facebook? | 12:37 |
| yofel | but I think I never noticed it being broken in the first place | 12:37 |
| yofel | (or misunderstood what the issue is) | 12:38 |
| mck182 | Riddell: yeah, long time ago :) | 12:38 |
| yofel | oh wait, I think I remembered | 12:38 |
| mck182 | that whole thing is now deprecated | 12:38 |
| Riddell | mck182: deprecated but still needed separately for 4.10? | 12:38 |
| mck182 | Riddell: yeah, but fwiw kubuntu is the only distro actually shipping it | 12:38 |
| mck182 | (and netrunner) | 12:39 |
| Riddell | mck182: do we still want to ship it? | 12:39 |
| Riddell | I expect Mint KDE ships it too :) | 12:39 |
| mck182 | Riddell: it's not much usefull atm, plus you'll have to deal with kdepim 4.11 which will introduce conflicts I guess | 12:39 |
| mck182 | but I don't think that will be a big problem ;) | 12:40 |
| Riddell | mck182: the current snapshot we have is 20120712, do we want to update that? | 12:40 |
| mck182 | that snapshot still require libkfacebook right? | 12:40 |
| Riddell | mck182: yes | 12:40 |
| mck182 | Riddell: well, you can upgrade it, yes, it will just require libkfbapi | 12:41 |
| mck182 | which is in extragear | 12:41 |
| Riddell | hmm | 12:41 |
| apachelogger | yofel: it doesn't lock on afk | 12:42 |
| apachelogger | the lock screen is there | 12:42 |
| apachelogger | but it simply goes away on activity | 12:42 |
| yofel | just tried it. If I enable "require password after X seconds", it locks. If that's disabled it won't *lock* but display the password screen | 12:42 |
| apachelogger | ohm | 12:43 |
| apachelogger | ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhm | 12:43 |
| mck182 | Riddell: libkfbapi is libkfacebook 2.0, many many improvements and fixes | 12:43 |
| mck182 | actually I think I should probably release it | 12:43 |
| mck182 | somehow | 12:43 |
| yofel | so it does lock if you tell it to lock | 12:43 |
| apachelogger | yofel: 1. wtf 2. wtf 3. wtf 4. wtf 5. why is it not enabled by default? | 12:43 |
| yofel | dunno what the default is, lemme fire up a live disk | 12:43 |
| apachelogger | what exactly is the point of displaying a *lock* screen without being locked | 12:43 |
| apachelogger | dafuq | 12:43 |
| yofel | well, that's the broken part. Still there in .2 | 12:44 |
| apachelogger | so silly | 12:45 |
| yofel | wow, rendering is utterly broken in qemu | 12:47 |
| apachelogger | it's the weird defautl driver | 12:48 |
| apachelogger | if you tell qemu to use another one it works better for me | 12:48 |
| yofel | maybe just the new mesa from x-staging | 12:48 |
| yofel | need to test that again later | 12:49 |
| apachelogger | nah the qemu driver emulation is crap for whatever it uses by default, messing up resolution hinting to the guest or something | 12:49 |
| apachelogger | so the guest renders at 800x600 or something while the window is 1280 or whatever | 12:50 |
| yofel | I mean this level of broken: http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/kvm_live.png | 12:50 |
| yofel | but here's the locker defaults http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/locker_setting.png | 12:50 |
| yofel | broken too | 12:50 |
| apachelogger | oy | 12:51 |
| apachelogger | ok that is excessively broken | 12:51 |
| apachelogger | those 15 minutes are also fun | 12:51 |
| apachelogger | so I am thinking 5 minutes + 10 (maybe 15) seconds until lock | 12:52 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, apachelogger I will subscribe BOTH:P | 12:56 |
| smartboyhw | apachelogger, done for you. | 12:57 |
| smartboyhw | Not sure which address for Riddell though. | 12:57 |
| Riddell | jr@jriddell.org | 12:57 |
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| smartboyhw | Riddell, ok | 13:02 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, done | 13:02 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, thanks:) | 13:03 |
| smartboyhw | -- The following OPTIONAL packages could NOT be located on your system. | 13:10 |
| smartboyhw | -- Consider installing them to enable more features from this software. | 13:10 |
| smartboyhw | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | 13:10 |
| smartboyhw | * OCIO <http://www.opencolorio.org> | 13:10 |
| smartboyhw | The OpenColorIO Library | 13:10 |
| smartboyhw | Required by the Krita LUT docker | 13:10 |
| smartboyhw | Hmm do we have that in our packaging!? | 13:11 |
| smartboyhw | Turns out: There are PPAs but not the official one. | 13:12 |
| smartboyhw | s/official one/official archive/ | 13:13 |
| kubotu | smartboyhw meant: "Turns out: There are PPAs but not the official archive." | 13:13 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, too late to get it in official repos right? | 13:13 |
| apachelogger | re | 13:17 |
| smartboyhw | re? | 13:17 |
| apachelogger | spaceships! | 13:19 |
| smartboyhw | ;O | 13:19 |
| apachelogger | reviewboard started working again, so magic | 13:19 |
| smartboyhw | XD | 13:20 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/109927/ | 13:27 |
| apachelogger | ah right | 13:31 |
| apachelogger | 2 empty lines between functions | 13:32 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: I remember why I liked rekonq so much | 13:32 |
| shadeslayer | :D | 13:32 |
| * BluesKaj finds it difficult to like rekonq ..must be joking :) | 13:35 | |
| smartboyhw | BluesKaj, :) | 13:35 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: #include <krecentdirs.h> | 13:36 |
| shadeslayer | pretty headers? | 13:36 |
| apachelogger | doesn't have one | 13:37 |
| shadeslayer | oh okay | 13:37 |
| apachelogger | it's super internal spooky shit | 13:37 |
| shadeslayer | fix it? | 13:37 |
| shadeslayer | lol | 13:37 |
| smartboyhw | DAMN IT | 13:40 |
| apachelogger | if reviewboard wasn't so slow -.- | 13:40 |
| * smartboyhw has to add another package and re-upload the whole calligra-l10n | 13:40 | |
| * apachelogger is suer hungry | 13:40 | |
| apachelogger | omnomnom suer | 13:41 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: you broke reviewboard again -.- | 13:41 |
| shadeslayer | I most certainly did not | 13:41 |
| apachelogger | why is it not doing no nothing then | 13:41 |
| shadeslayer | it doesn't like you | 13:42 |
| apachelogger | why that would be outragous | 13:42 |
| apachelogger | apparently one is nonly allowed to submit one review per day | 13:42 |
| apachelogger | very nice | 13:42 |
| * apachelogger gives up | 13:43 | |
| apachelogger | http://paste.kde.org/719954/ | 13:43 |
| apachelogger | in case anyone cares for a working rekonq | 13:43 |
| * apachelogger out | 13:43 | |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: it would need a good excuse | 13:44 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, I need an FFe for this I think | 13:45 |
| smartboyhw | New turkish translation. | 13:45 |
| smartboyhw | No need for UIFe though (I think) | 13:45 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: for the new calligra version? it's just bugfix no? | 13:45 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, new 2.6.3. | 13:45 |
| smartboyhw | I didn't upload for 2.6.2 because the cavalencia translations went MIA and it needed a fix... | 13:46 |
| smartboyhw | And now we already got 2.6.3. | 13:46 |
| yofel | so calligra-l10n needs a ffe? | 13:46 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, yeah:( | 13:46 |
| * smartboyhw hates filing FFeS..... | 13:46 | |
| yofel | because of a new package? | 13:46 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, because of a new translation yes. | 13:47 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: new translations aren't a feature | 13:47 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, uh!? | 13:47 |
| smartboyhw | LOL | 13:47 |
| yofel | Riddell: it would be if it needs to pass binary NEW | 13:48 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, yep. | 13:48 |
| yofel | that's what I think he means at least | 13:48 |
| Riddell | hmm well I'd just approve it | 13:50 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, dget -x https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/2buntu/+files/calligra-l10n_2.6.3-0ubuntu1.dsc (finally I don't have to file a bug and attach each orig.tar.bz2 to the bug, phew, I have been stupid before three times) | 13:51 |
| yofel | wait | 13:52 |
| yofel | I'll upload, then Riddell can approve | 13:52 |
| yofel | smartboyhw: how's calligra itself doing? | 13:52 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, building to see what will happen to dh_install --list-missing | 13:53 |
| smartboyhw | So I can add back the files!!! | 13:53 |
| yofel | good | 13:53 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: add back what files? | 13:53 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, some files that are new but didn't get into the .install files. | 13:54 |
| smartboyhw | I need to check. | 13:55 |
| smartboyhw | Building at 72%. | 13:56 |
| * smartboyhw really likes -j4 | 13:56 | |
| ovidiu-florin | question. I've found this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=317387 and it does not manifest if I build kmail from source, but it manifests on the kmail installed by default in kubuntu. why is that, and how can I fix it? | 13:59 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 317387 in general "On reply, if the Name of an identity contains something in parentheses the content in parentheses does not apear in the from field." [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 13:59 |
| smartboyhw | ovidiu-florin, do you build from master or? | 13:59 |
| ovidiu-florin | yes, master | 13:59 |
| smartboyhw | ovidiu-florin, may not be as the same version as in Kubuntu....... | 14:00 |
| yofel | ovidiu-florin: can you please try to build the KDE/4.10 branch? | 14:00 |
| ovidiu-florin | ok | 14:00 |
| ovidiu-florin | I'll try again | 14:00 |
| yofel | that's essentially what we have, so that should tell whether it's our fault or not | 14:00 |
| yofel | which reminds me that we need to import that completion patch | 14:01 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, that dget -x message should be targetted at you instead now (since you are uploading instead of Riddell ) | 14:02 |
| yofel | I know | 14:02 |
| yofel | smartboyhw: changelog is incomplete http://paste.kde.org/719972 | 14:04 |
| yofel | if you add a -tr package, please do say so | 14:04 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, um I need to re-upload then (again) :( | 14:04 |
| smartboyhw | Third time. | 14:04 |
| * smartboyhw is running out of PPAs to use. | 14:05 | |
| yofel | just stuff it on people.ubuntu.com then | 14:05 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, never used it.... Will need some time. | 14:07 |
| yofel | smartboyhw: what for? all you need is sftp and your ssh key that's on launchpad | 14:08 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, I know. | 14:08 |
| smartboyhw | Will need some time to upload:P | 14:08 |
| yofel | ah :D | 14:08 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, can we dput into people.ubuntu.com? (LOL) | 14:09 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: not it's sftp access | 14:09 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, that's why it's extremely sad | 14:09 |
| Riddell | dolphin does it nicely | 14:10 |
| smartboyhw | Whoa look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~unit193/pisg/kubuntu.html | 14:10 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: yofel doesn't need the binaries | 14:10 |
| smartboyhw | BluesKaj, you king. | 14:10 |
| smartboyhw | :P | 14:10 |
| yofel | hum, dput does support sftp... so feel free to try to figure it out | 14:10 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, anyway: Maybe I just change the kubuntu-packaging branch? (/me hasn't uploaded to it yet.) | 14:10 |
| yofel | drat, I'm ranked lower than ubottu :'( | 14:11 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, LOL | 14:11 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, would you be unhappy if I just add that + tr translation line to the kubuntu-packaging calligra branch? | 14:14 |
| yofel | smartboyhw: no | 14:14 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, oh well :) | 14:15 |
| yofel | smartboyhw: wait, calligra-l10n has no branch | 14:16 |
| yofel | I'll just add it | 14:16 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, :O | 14:16 |
| smartboyhw | Analyzing the --list-missing thing | 14:23 |
| smartboyhw | Quite clean. | 14:24 |
| smartboyhw | :O | 14:24 |
| smartboyhw | Only some needs to be added. | 14:24 |
| agateau_ | apachelogger: sorry was away, overloading distro name makes sense to me | 14:25 |
| smartboyhw | Only 4! | 14:25 |
| smartboyhw | More ;O given. | 14:25 |
| smartboyhw | Very easy this time it seems. | 14:25 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, dget -x http://people.ubuntu.com/~smartboyhw/calligra-l10n_2.6.3-0ubuntu1.dsc (hopefully it does pull all the files) | 14:26 |
| yofel | smartboyhw: worked | 14:28 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, \o/ | 14:28 |
| smartboyhw | -queuebot/#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: calligra-l10n (raring-proposed/universe) [1:2.6.1-0ubuntu1 => 1:2.6.3-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop) | 14:28 |
| smartboyhw | Uh why is it in ubuntu-desktop?:) | 14:29 |
| Riddell | they're secret calligra fans | 14:29 |
| smartboyhw | \o/ | 14:29 |
| smartboyhw | That's awesome! | 14:29 |
| Riddell | note: may be untrue | 14:29 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, LOL | 14:29 |
| Riddell | Mirv: quite some missing symbols http://paste.kde.org/719978/ | 14:32 |
| Riddell | Mirv: but would missing symbols really cause a crash in skype that could be worked out with pre-loading libGL? | 14:33 |
| smartboyhw | More happily: All of the 4 files come from calligraplan. | 14:34 |
| shadeslayer | whaaa | 14:36 |
| ovidiu-florin | who did you say was in charge of telepathy? | 14:45 |
| ovidiu-florin | should I ask about that here or in #kde or #kde-vevel | 14:45 |
| ovidiu-florin | ? | 14:45 |
| Riddell | ovidiu-florin: depends what you mean by incharge? | 14:45 |
| Riddell | the packaging | 14:45 |
| Riddell | the kde coding | 14:46 |
| ovidiu-florin | coding | 14:46 |
| Riddell | actual telepathy coding | 14:46 |
| ovidiu-florin | so #kde-devel | 14:46 |
| ovidiu-florin | ? | 14:46 |
| Riddell | d_ed is a useful sort on #k-d | 14:46 |
| ovidiu-florin | what? | 14:46 |
| Riddell | d_ed is a useful sort on #kde-devel | 14:48 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, I don't understand you do you mean by "is a useful sort" | 14:49 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: he is a useful person when it comes to telepathy issues | 14:50 |
| ovidiu-florin | ahaaaaa | 14:51 |
| ovidiu-florin | thank you | 14:51 |
| ovidiu-florin | smartboyhw: thank you | 14:53 |
| smartboyhw | ovidiu-florin, don't thank me. Thank Riddell. | 14:53 |
| ovidiu-florin | the first thanks is for Riddell | 14:53 |
| ovidiu-florin | the second one if for helping me undestanf what Riddell sayd | 14:54 |
| Riddell | mck182: libkfbapi misses a cmake check for libboost | 14:54 |
| ovidiu-florin | said | 14:54 |
| smartboyhw | ... | 14:54 |
| lordievader | Good afternoon | 14:56 |
| smartboyhw | Hello lordievader | 14:57 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: someone just informed me that the Kubuntu ISO wipes out the efi partition | 15:01 |
| shadeslayer | whereas the Ubuntu ISO does not | 15:01 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: fun. well please collect logs and file a bug =) | 15:02 |
| lordievader | Hey smartboyhw, how are you doing? | 15:03 |
| shadeslayer | I've asked the person to do that | 15:03 |
| smartboyhw | lordievader, :) | 15:03 |
| mck182 | Riddell: boost? it does not use boost asaik | 15:03 |
| mck182 | *afaik | 15:03 |
| * smartboyhw is uploading calligra 2.6.3 to PPA. | 15:04 | |
| Riddell | mck182: obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/libkfbapi/CMakeFiles/kfbapi.dir/CXX.includecache:boost/shared_ptr.hpp | 15:04 |
| Riddell | mck182: something is generated which does | 15:04 |
| Riddell | mck182: also qjson could do with one | 15:04 |
| mck182 | hm | 15:04 |
| mck182 | qjson probably might, yeah | 15:04 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, hmm would an update of icecc from 0.9.8 to 1.0.0 need an FFe (just asking) | 15:08 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: depends if it has new features | 15:09 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, biggest one: out-of-the-box support for Clang. | 15:09 |
| ovidiu-florin | can I ask here? I'm trying to build kdepim. ERROR: cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake not found in.... | 15:11 |
| ovidiu-florin | what am I missing? | 15:12 |
| Riddell | ovidiu-florin: kdelibs5-dev | 15:12 |
| ovidiu-florin | okm thank you | 15:12 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, does it need an FFe then? | 15:24 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: yep | 15:24 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, OK....., grr:( | 15:24 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: and it won't get one unless there's a good reason | 15:25 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, which that OOBE thing is one:P | 15:25 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: pardon? | 15:25 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, which the out-of-the-box feature needs an FFe.... | 15:26 |
| smartboyhw | The good reason | 15:26 |
| Riddell | oh clang, can't say I've felt that as being a must have feature for 13.04 | 15:26 |
| Riddell | mck182: this a good description? | 15:27 |
| Riddell | LibKFBAPI (previously called LibKFacebook) is a C++ library that implements APIs | 15:27 |
| Riddell | for various Facebook services. | 15:27 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, well I don't think that will be an issue if we update it. | 15:27 |
| mck182 | Riddell: perfect :) oh and the lib name is LibKFbAPI (non-capital b) | 15:27 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, dget -x https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa/+files/calligra_2.6.3-0ubuntu1.dsc and review. Tell me if I got anything wrong please;) | 15:28 |
| smartboyhw | Clearly, I don't like this: https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+participation | 15:39 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: +usr/lib/kde4/planconvert/PlanConvert.jar | 15:40 |
| Riddell | ! | 15:40 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, what's the problem? | 15:40 |
| * smartboyhw thought it is OK since it is not in debian/not-installed | 15:40 | |
| Riddell | calligra has started shipping java binary blobs :( | 15:41 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, um yep....... | 15:41 |
| Riddell | java binary blobs make baby buddha cry | 15:42 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, LOL | 15:42 |
| yofel | translated: they're not dfsg compliant ^^ | 15:43 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, +1 | 15:43 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: presumably you have java installed? | 15:44 |
| Riddell | else it doesn't get installed | 15:44 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, eek clearly I forgotten to do a build-dep on that | 15:44 |
| Riddell | you don't want to! | 15:45 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, I thought most Ubuntu distros have openjdk on it | 15:45 |
| smartboyhw | But I use pure Oracle JDK 8 | 15:45 |
| smartboyhw | Sorry:( | 15:45 |
| Riddell | well good you spotted this, it's an upstream issue | 15:45 |
| yofel | smartboyhw: the point is not to use java at all here | 15:45 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, yes I agree | 15:45 |
| yofel | smartboyhw: at least not while the jar isn't built at runtime - or is it? | 15:45 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, yofel I will post in the Calligra mailing list to complain | 15:46 |
| smartboyhw | yofel, um lemme check. | 15:46 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: point out (politely) it's against KDE's licence policy | 15:46 |
| Riddell | yofel, smartboyhw: there's no source | 15:46 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, yep | 15:46 |
| agateau_ | just curious, what are they using java for? | 15:46 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, I will:) | 15:46 |
| smartboyhw | agateau_, some sort of things in Calligraplan | 15:46 |
| agateau_ | ok | 15:47 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: hmm hang on | 15:47 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, oh? | 15:48 |
| smartboyhw | Don't tell me it IS compiled... | 15:48 |
| Riddell | +PlanConverts classes is generated from the plan.dtd file using the script: generatedtdclasses | 15:48 |
| * shadeslayer waves fist at launchpad | 15:49 | |
| * yofel passes shadeslayer a cup of coffee | 15:49 | |
| smartboyhw | And anyway if anyone wants build logs, the builds at my PPA are starting within 13 min for i386 and 24 for amd64 | 15:49 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, what happened!? | 15:49 |
| shadeslayer | curl: (35) Unknown SSL protocol error in connection to launchpadlibrarian.net:443 | 15:50 |
| yofel | lol | 15:50 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: it does seem to have everything there so I guess it's dfsg and kde licence happy | 15:55 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: but we don't install java by default so I'll undo your changes | 15:55 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, OK:) | 15:56 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer, Quintasan: I can't connect to facebook or gtalk with telepathy, should I be worried? | 16:06 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer, Quintasan: the configure dialogue is taller than my monitor | 16:06 |
| shadeslayer | 0.o | 16:07 |
| shadeslayer | to the debug mobile! | 16:07 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer, :) | 16:07 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: http://community.kde.org/KTp/FAQ#Providing_debug | 16:09 |
| Riddell | http://paste.kde.org/720104/ | 16:13 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: presumably you can connect? | 16:15 |
| shadeslayer | facebook yes, I haven't added google | 16:15 |
| shadeslayer | because I need to generate an application password for that and I'm too lazy to do that :P | 16:15 |
| shadeslayer | 0.o | 16:16 |
| shadeslayer | 09/04/13 17:12:39.716721 - [gabble/tls] gabble_tls_certificate_reject (tls-certificate.c:294): Reject() called on the TLS certificate with rejections 0x1552e80, length 0; current state 0 | 16:16 |
| Riddell | isn't it just your normal google login? | 16:16 |
| shadeslayer | nope | 16:16 |
| shadeslayer | I have 2 step auth | 16:16 |
| ovidiu-florin | what package provides the boost libraries? | 16:16 |
| ovidiu-florin | I found a lot of them | 16:16 |
| shadeslayer | so I have to generate a separate app specific password | 16:16 |
| shadeslayer | ovidiu-florin: for raring it's 1.49 | 16:16 |
| ovidiu-florin | I've installed libboost-dev | 16:17 |
| ovidiu-florin | which installed libboost1.49-dev | 16:17 |
| ovidiu-florin | but cmake still says that boost is missing | 16:17 |
| Riddell | ovidiu-florin: there's other boost packages | 16:18 |
| shadeslayer | oh? | 16:18 |
| Riddell | so depends on what it's asking for | 16:18 |
| shadeslayer | yeah ^ | 16:18 |
| ovidiu-florin | I'm trying to build akonadi and cmake says that Boost was not found | 16:19 |
| shadeslayer | 09/04/13 17:12:39.960073 - [gabble/connection] connector_error_disconnect (connection.c:1772): connection failed: WOCKY_AUTH_ERROR_FAILURE (#6): Client aborted authentication. | 16:19 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: are you sure your password is correct? | 16:19 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: same one logs me into gmail fine | 16:20 |
| shadeslayer | d_ed: hey, so, Riddell is having issues connecting to GTalk/Facebook | 16:21 |
| shadeslayer | d_ed: http://paste.kde.org/720104/ debug log | 16:21 |
| shadeslayer | and I see : 09/04/13 17:12:39.959986 - [wocky] auth_failed: wocky-sasl-auth.c:274: Authentication failed!: Client aborted authentication. | 16:21 |
| d_ed | issues with both GTalk and Facebook? | 16:23 |
| d_ed | oh, whoever has that pastebin has Empathy installed | 16:23 |
| Riddell | d_ed: yep | 16:23 |
| Riddell | d_ed: is that bad? | 16:24 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: any ideas? http://paste.kde.org/720110/http://paste.kde.org/720110/ | 16:24 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: any ideas? http://paste.kde.org/720110/ | 16:24 |
| d_ed | somewhat. Whatever your problem is it's almost certainly caused by Empathy being mental. | 16:24 |
| Riddell | d_ed: damn, you're right | 16:27 |
| Riddell | d_ed: whyever would empathy affect it? isn't it all the same telepathy in the back? | 16:27 |
| d_ed | yeah | 16:30 |
| d_ed | however, there's two problems. | 16:30 |
| d_ed | 1) passwords are done by the application | 16:30 |
| d_ed | so telepathy says "who can give me a password for this account?" | 16:30 |
| d_ed | then we both race to answer | 16:30 |
| d_ed | I think it's whoever is installed last wins | 16:31 |
| d_ed | obvioulsy only one of us actually has it | 16:31 |
| yofel | Riddell: bug 1165408 | 16:31 |
| ubottu | bug 1165408 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu Raring - Kubuntu-firefox-installer blocks the install of Firefox" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1165408 | 16:31 |
| d_ed | 2) when I was trying it, tesitng something for afiestas, Empathy started meddling with my accounts for "gnome online accounts" | 16:31 |
| d_ed | not really sure what it was | 16:31 |
| d_ed | theoretically everything works together, in practice they both start attacking each other | 16:32 |
| d_ed | brilliant 8-) | 16:32 |
| Riddell | ug, nasty | 16:32 |
| ovidiu-florin | (still no one answered) wich boost package should I install? | 16:33 |
| Riddell | ovidiu-florin: it depends on what it needs | 16:33 |
| ovidiu-florin | how can I tell? | 16:33 |
| Riddell | ovidiu-florin: apt-cache search libboost dev 1.49 | 16:34 |
| Riddell | ovidiu-florin: what's it asking for? | 16:34 |
| ovidiu-florin | it just says the boost C++ libraryes | 16:34 |
| Riddell | ovidiu-florin: there must be a compile failure if nothing more useful | 16:34 |
| ovidiu-florin | it also says "(program_options)" is that relevant? | 16:34 |
| Riddell | no idea, depends on the context | 16:35 |
| ovidiu-florin | http://paste.kde.org/720122/ | 16:35 |
| Riddell | yofel: hmm | 16:36 |
| yofel | ovidiu-florin: try libboost-program-options-dev then | 16:37 |
| Riddell | yofel: yeah missing its Replaces: kubuntu-firefox-installer | 16:37 |
| ovidiu-florin | it worked, thank you | 16:38 |
| Riddell | ovidiu-florin: better to use libboost-program-options1.49-dev | 16:39 |
| ovidiu-florin | Riddell: the one yofel mentionned is a dummy package | 16:53 |
| ovidiu-florin | it points to this one | 16:53 |
| === mck182 is now known as mck182|afk | ||
| apachelogger | Riddell: tell chris | 17:45 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: what was the option to pass to apt to enable debug info about pkg-resolver? | 18:19 |
| yofel | -o DEBUG::PkgProblemResolver=true | 18:21 |
| shadeslayer | thx | 18:25 |
| Darkwing | Changing the grub entry from Ubuntu to Kubuntu GNU/Linux was brilliant. Bravo | 18:54 |
| === mck182|afk is now known as mck182 | ||
| bmw | KDE or Ubuntu bug? Date/Time settings, time zone setting in GUI reverts to UTC. Have to use CLI to correct time zone. | 20:18 |
| Mamarok | bmw: no idea how that happens, markey has the same problem on 13.04 beta1, KDE 4.10.1. I have never seen it on my installation, but I have several timezones defined, inlcuding UTC, he only had a non-UTC one | 21:24 |
| Mamarok | I haven't seen that reported in #kde so far, somight be Kubuntu specific, I just don't know how to debug | 21:25 |
| === Squt is now known as Sput | ||
| smartboyhw | One interesting thing: Although calligra builds in the Ubuntu archive, it doesn't build in my own PPA... | 23:47 |
| smartboyhw | \o/ I (just) got added into kde-packagers mailing list. | 23:48 |
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