[00:25] <apachelogger> valorie: <3
[00:43] <valorie> and this is me on Konvi Version 1.5-branch #4215 on my 32-bit netbook
[00:44] <valorie> time to get ready to see my daddy tonight
[01:48] <ScottK> I guess we need to decide if the vUDS thing is any better than getting together on Mumble again.
[03:18] <ScottK> In case anyone else noticed the whining on kubuntu-users about kdepim address autocompletion in KDE 4.10.2, I just cherrypicked the fix and uploaded to raring.  Someone who cares might want to update the PPAs too.
[04:55] <valorie> ScottK: what would be cool is if telepathy became good and reliable for us to us
[04:55] <valorie> our own tech
[04:55]  * valorie couldn't get mumble to work
[07:01] <Mirv> Riddell: have you got any further idea on the skype/qtwebkit issue?
[07:16] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:23] <shadeslayer> skype/webkit issue? it works fine for me
[07:25] <lordievader> There were a couple of people lately with problems, Skype+Raring. (Works fine for me too ;))
[07:38] <apachelogger> dpm: heya, two more apps needing review https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/kubuntu-notification-helper/+imports https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/kubuntu-firefox-installer/+imports
[07:39] <dpm> morning apachelogger, approved :)
[07:40] <apachelogger> <3 dpm
[07:40] <apachelogger> dpm: any idea when we would get to see the first langpack export?
[07:40] <apachelogger> we are very close to having a working localization again :D
[07:42] <dpm> apachelogger, I've had not much time to spend on translations this cycle. I'll see if I can block tomorrow to make it a translations day and look at it
[07:42] <apachelogger> dpm: this would be really awesome
[07:56] <yofel> shadeslayer: skype + qtwebkit 2.3 + proprietary graphics driver => SIGSEGV
[07:56] <shadeslayer> aha
[07:57] <shadeslayer> so it's a proprietary driver issue no?
[07:57] <yofel> well, downgrading qtwebkit works for all drivers
[07:57] <shadeslayer> h
[07:57] <yofel> and I don't believe they build against qtwebkit
[07:57] <shadeslayer> huh
[07:57] <yofel> the bt is crap though, so hardly debuggable
[07:57] <shadeslayer> so, RC works and final release doesn't?
[07:58] <yofel> no, 2.3 doesn't work, you need to install qtwebkit from 12.10
[07:58] <shadeslayer> oh
[07:58] <yofel> use that in raring and skype works fine
[07:59] <shadeslayer> using qtwebkit from 12.10 will be bad for the browsers :/
[07:59] <lordievader> Is it something that can be fixed in the 2.3 version of qtwebkit?
[07:59] <yofel> dunno, bug 1155327
[08:00] <lordievader> Hopefully it will be fixed before the release.
[08:06] <apachelogger> hm
[08:06] <apachelogger> I had audio
[08:06] <apachelogger> and then I didn't
[08:07] <apachelogger> ah yes
[08:07] <apachelogger> alsa
[08:07] <apachelogger> love of my life
[08:07] <apachelogger> it's like X11 except it's audio
[08:08] <lordievader> Hehe and to make it even better there is the combination of Alsa and Pulseaudio :D
[08:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: any ideas if we should still have this http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/nepomuk-core/view/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_strigi_ram_detection.diff
[08:11] <shadeslayer> because it won't work
[08:11] <vHanda> shadeslayer: why don't you just fix the patch?
[08:11]  * shadeslayer wonders who authored that, no DEP 3
[08:11] <shadeslayer> vHanda: yeah, but the question is do we ship it or drop it
[08:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no strigiiii
[08:12] <shadeslayer> I don't know the reason why we added that patch
[08:12] <apachelogger> at the very leas the patchy name is wrong :P
[08:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah, so theoretically the 1GB limit is crap
[08:13] <apachelogger> oh
[08:13] <apachelogger> ssl in python is broken
[08:13] <apachelogger> nice
[08:13] <shadeslayer> really? 0.o
[08:13] <apachelogger> takes forever and 3 days
[08:14] <apachelogger> or perhaps my pythonssl is broken
[08:14] <shadeslayer> well, I was getting weird errors
[08:14] <apachelogger> I blame alsa
[08:14] <shadeslayer> last night
[08:14] <apachelogger> you could have pasted the patch ya know :P
[08:14] <apachelogger> +    if (service->desktopEntryName() == "nepomukstrigiservice") {
[08:14] <apachelogger> that's wrong
[08:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: patch needs changing to nepomukserver
[08:15] <shadeslayer> but do we really need the patch now
[08:15] <shadeslayer> because strigi is gone
[08:15] <apachelogger> I don't know, ask ScottK
[08:16] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ^^
[08:16] <shadeslayer> IMHO we can just drop it because indexing doesn't take up a boatload of RAM now
[08:16] <apachelogger> from the patch it seems that it was added to prevent nepomuk from running on systems with <= 1gib ram
[08:16] <apachelogger> well....
[08:16]  * vHanda would recommend some actual testing
[08:17] <apachelogger> I think vHanda should apply that upstream and reduce the value to something like 512mib
[08:18] <apachelogger> there is some usefulness to not having it use resources on weak systems
[08:18] <apachelogger> like say a netbook
[08:18] <apachelogger> though most netbooks have 1gib so that is probably where that value comes from
[08:18] <apachelogger> however...
[08:18] <vHanda> I doubt we will encounter many systems with 512 ram running kde
[08:19] <apachelogger> recent cheapo tablets also like to have 1gib
[08:19] <apachelogger> so
[08:19] <apachelogger> ...
[08:19] <apachelogger> roll a dice
[08:19] <vHanda> If you guys have some time to test out how much memory this new file indexer takes that would be awesome
[08:19] <vHanda> cause it should take a lot less, but I haven't done concrete testing
[08:20] <apachelogger> all nepomuks take 31mib it seems
[08:20] <apachelogger> being idle
[08:22] <valorie> I just read up, and noticed talk about getting to Bilbao
[08:22] <valorie> I'm planning to take the bus from Madrid
[08:22] <valorie> anyone else going to Madrid first?
[08:22] <shadeslayer> what's in Madrid?
[08:23] <apachelogger> a bus station :P
[08:23] <shadeslayer> lol
[08:24] <valorie> the Prado!
[08:24] <valorie> and a big airport, which is why I'll be there first
[08:24] <valorie> should be hotter than the hubs of hell
[08:25] <valorie> unfortunately
[08:25] <valorie> Bilbao will be nicer
[08:26] <yofel> seems like I can fly from stuttgart to bilbao directly
[08:27] <eos> hi vHanda .... do you mind a couple of questions? we have a long hanging at start on a production machine due to nepomukservices apparently .... we are talking about mayve 300 sec. 64 bit, kernel 3.5, kde 4.10.2, distribution kubuntu 12.10. Fairly stable. 
[08:27] <vHanda> eos: shoot
[08:28] <yofel> shadeslayer: where did you book the accomodation? I still need to do that
[08:28] <vHanda> 12.10 = which kde version?
[08:28] <eos> vHanda: we do not understand where this hang up comes from. when the machine is shut down with no new files, the hang up happens all the same.
[08:28] <vHanda> yofel: shadeslayer: Aren't KDE e.V booking that?
[08:28] <eos> vHanda: it seems the indexeer is trying to index something that is not there.
[08:28] <yofel> vHanda: I don't get sponsored, so I probably need to take care about that myself?
[08:29] <vHanda> probably :)
[08:29] <vHanda> eos: I'll need to know which KDE version you're running
[08:29] <yofel> on that topic
[08:29] <shadeslayer> yofel: it's Blas de Ottero ( or something like that )
[08:29] <vHanda> also which process is the blocking one (the full process name, not just the executable name)
[08:29] <eos> vHanda: yes, I put it in my orignal message. 
[08:29] <eos> vHanda: 64 bit, kernel 3.5, kde 4.10.2, distribution kubuntu 12.10. Fairly stable. 
[08:29] <vHanda> ah
[08:30] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://akademy2013.kde.org/accommodation
[08:30] <vHanda> sorry. Okay. now I'm interested since it's 10.2
[08:30]  * apachelogger should look into travel organization tomorrow -.-
[08:31] <yofel> Riddell: any chance I could bill kubuntu at least for my flight costs? (some ~230€ from what I see)
[08:31] <vHanda> eos: lets take this over to #nepomuk-kde ?
[08:32] <eos> vHanda: ok!
[08:36] <apachelogger> oh
[08:36] <apachelogger> there is a bug!
[08:36] <apachelogger> NO
[08:36] <apachelogger> :@
[08:50] <starbuck1> ping Riddell
[08:52] <starbuck1> I can confirm with the latest beta2, the installer bug "the attempt to mount a file system with type swap in SCSI2 (0,0,0) partition #5 (sda) at none failed" is there
[08:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yofel do you guys have idea why user-manager is not in the seeds?
[08:53] <yofel> shadeslayer: not an adequate replacement for userconfig IMO
[08:53] <yofel> (yet)
[08:53] <shadeslayer> I see
[08:53] <shadeslayer> afiestas_: ^^
[08:53] <yofel> most notably: you cannot manage groups
[08:54] <yofel> and I don't want to replace userconfig with user-manager+kuser
[08:54] <shadeslayer> I don't think user-manager was ever targetted towards managing groups
[08:54] <apachelogger> yofel: is userconfig working?
[08:54] <yofel> well, how do you manage them? and don't dare to say CLI
[08:54] <shadeslayer> the entire point of user-manager was to be able to manager users in a very simple way
[08:54] <yofel> apachelogger: yes
[08:55] <shadeslayer> if you're managing groups, use userconfig/kuser
[08:55] <apachelogger> you do not manage user groups
[08:55] <apachelogger> !
[08:55] <shadeslayer> exactly
[08:55] <apachelogger> you manage users
[08:55] <apachelogger> who can be admin or user
[08:55] <yofel> sure, but you need to be able to add a user to a group
[08:55] <apachelogger> end of story :P
[08:55] <yofel> that's REALITY
[08:55] <apachelogger> no you don't
[08:55] <apachelogger> you need to be able to make a user admin
[08:55] <apachelogger> any other use case is some obscure geek crap
[08:55] <shadeslayer> yep
[08:56]  * apachelogger breaks grub2
[08:57] <valorie> "obscure geek crap"?
[08:57] <smartboyhw> UDS-1305 got announced.
[08:57] <valorie> don't you mean LINUX?
[08:57] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: surely you mean vUDS
[08:58] <valorie> I'm sorry, I mean GNU/Linux
[08:58] <apachelogger> lol
[08:58] <apachelogger> real geeks don't use linux anymore
[08:58] <apachelogger> it's gotten too mainstream
[08:58] <apachelogger> nowadays we cool kids use some bsd
[08:58] <yofel> right
[08:58] <apachelogger> alas, my laptop is not booting with bsd anymore :(
[08:58] <apachelogger> I broke something
[08:58] <shadeslayer> heh, I've been meaning to try out bsd
[09:00] <Riddell> hi starbuck1 
[09:01] <Riddell> starbuck1: it's the same bug you pointed to yesterday?
[09:01] <valorie> I remember my son bemoaning how easy linux was getting to be
[09:01] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: Yep.
[09:01] <valorie> it's like some obscure band which makes it big
[09:01] <valorie> the old fans bemoan the good old days
[09:02] <valorie> when the band was THEIRS
[09:02] <Riddell> yofel: coming to akademy?
[09:02] <yofel> Riddell: yep
[09:02] <lordievader> smartboyhw: The people with Skype problems in Raring are suffering from bug 1155327.
[09:03]  * yofel doesn't bemoan the good old days. groups are simply a part of linux permission management
[09:03] <Riddell> yofel: great, I'd be all for kubuntu paying for useful people's travel, that'll need to be proposed to the council
[09:03] <yofel> and unless we have a sane ACL implementation that won't change much
[09:04] <yofel> Riddell: true, I'll write up a mail once I get to it
[09:05] <apachelogger> yofel: we have that, it changes nothing
[09:06] <smartboyhw> lordievader: Not good:(
[09:06] <apachelogger> groups are a big part of any permission management
[09:06] <apachelogger> that does not mean they need to be managed by users
[09:06] <lordievader> smartboyhw: Yofel found a fix though, install Quantal's version of qtwebkit... :(
[09:06] <yofel> that's not a fix...
[09:07] <lordievader> Workaround then ;)
[09:07] <yofel> another thing would be to LD_PRELOAD mesa's libgl it seems
[09:07] <apachelogger> a tool needs not necessarily be used by users *and* sysadmins
[09:07] <yofel> which is freaky
[09:07] <apachelogger> in particular user management is something where you can have a simple tool for your actually common tasks like making someone admin so they can install new games or something
[09:08] <apachelogger> and at the same time a  sysadmin tool that can manage ldap and stuff
[09:09] <yofel> ok, so what do we do? use user-manager, remove user part of userconfig and rename it to group-manager?
[09:09] <apachelogger> userconfig is unmaintained
[09:09] <apachelogger> we'd have user-manager and we'd have kuser
[09:10] <yofel> then make a replacement. I just consider not being able to manage groups a regression (and no, I don't count konsole as a UI)
[09:10] <apachelogger> -.-
[09:10] <apachelogger> kuser
[09:10] <apachelogger> .
[09:10] <apachelogger> userconfig is a crap tool compared to kuser
[09:11] <yofel> hm
[09:11] <apachelogger> ldap support is a must-have for sysadmin user maangement
[09:11] <yofel> hm....
[09:11] <yofel> ...
[09:11] <smartboyhw> .:.….
[09:11] <yofel> :D
[09:12] <smartboyhw> LOL
[09:12] <yofel> apachelogger making sense feels weird
[09:12] <smartboyhw> yofel: Why?
[09:12] <yofel> just talking rubbish
[09:12] <apachelogger> yofel: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/04/09/plasma-desktopYG2215.png
[09:12] <apachelogger> regarding ACL btw
[09:13] <apachelogger> no clue why ext doesn't enable it by default
[09:14] <afiestas_> well, we could hve dicussed this when we brought the topic in the mailist
[09:14] <afiestas_> (and it seemed that everybody agreed on user manager) or in UDS
[09:14] <yofel> @_@
[09:15] <apachelogger> [ubuntu/raring-proposed] grub2 2.00-13ubuntu3 (Accepted)
[09:15] <apachelogger> this is going to be fun
[09:15] <yofel> apachelogger: so what would be your plan, add user-manager and kuser instead of userconfig?
[09:16] <apachelogger> no kuser
[09:17] <apachelogger> why would you put kuser on the seed?
[09:18] <yofel> I'm currently trying to decide whether it's the intended procedure to have someone read the KDE admin manual to find out how to manage groups
[09:18] <yofel> otherwise people will never know about kuser
[09:19] <yofel> it doesn't feel very constistent to have dolphin manage group permissions, but not being able to manage those groups anywhere
[09:19] <yofel> *consistent
[09:20] <apachelogger> what's a use case?
[09:26] <Riddell> having a folder which is shared between several users?
[09:27] <yofel> was thinking about that, but you can do that in other ways too
[09:27] <Riddell> for home users I'd imagine the main use case is adding and deleting users
[09:27] <yofel> unless it really needs to be restricted to a specific group - which you would probably never do on a standalone system
[09:29] <yofel> apachelogger: I fear I stand beaten - except for the case of some retarded system service that needs a user in a specific group so it works
[09:43] <apachelogger> yofel: those services should then add it via postinst
[09:55] <yofel> apachelogger: just looked up the original discussion on the ML. We did talk about groups, but I can't see an actual decision on what to do
[09:56]  * yofel -> lunch
[10:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 1164854 got screenshots now
[10:19] <smartboyhw_> \o/
[10:20] <lordievader> Looks good apachelogger :D
[10:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: does that align with the lightdm/ksplash/plasma themes
[10:28] <Riddell> ?
[10:30] <shadeslayer> it's better than the gray stuff we currently have ;P
[10:32] <Riddell> what potential bugs could come from updating this?
[10:39]  * Riddell nudges apachelogger ⇈
[10:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: doesn't align as we won't change the ones you mentioned, though the new boot artwork is pretty neutral colorwise so it will be less of a color clash than what we have now
[10:47] <apachelogger> potential bugs: broken plymouth splash
[10:49] <apachelogger> whoops, disconnected
[10:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you get my reply?
[10:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: yep
[10:49] <apachelogger> k
[10:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: is there a text only theme for plymouth?
[10:50] <apachelogger> ah yes
[10:50] <apachelogger> forgot to snapshot that
[10:50] <apachelogger> basically just black background with white colors for the rest
[10:51] <apachelogger> eh, black background, white name, blue dots (i.e. like the 16bit one)
[10:52]  * apachelogger needs to pitch about-distro to some other distros
[11:05] <apachelogger> hm
[11:07] <apachelogger> agateau_: I am wondering about perhaps allowing the about-distro config to overload the distro name
[11:07] <apachelogger> e.g. kubuntu-settings-desktop would override Ubuntu to Kubuntu; kubuntu-settings-active would overrride Kubuntu to Kubuntu Active
[11:08] <apachelogger> such that you could establish product branding ontop of the same platform
[11:14] <Riddell> popey: would it be snobby to suggest we only allow users who know their own e-mail address?
[11:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: override /etc/lsb-release ?
[11:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes
[11:18] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: how would it know where to look for the override?
[11:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: it'd be config based
[11:19] <apachelogger> so regular settings cascade
[11:19] <apachelogger> kubuntu-settings-active has its own kcm-about-distrorc with Name=Kubuntu Active
[11:19] <apachelogger> kubuntu-settings-desktop has a kcm-about-distrorc with Name=Kubuntu
[11:20] <apachelogger> linux-mint-settings has kcm-about-distro with Name=Linux Mint KDE or something
[11:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: that could work
[11:20] <apachelogger> in a UI context that would nicely do away with the paltform vs. product problem of LSB
[11:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: bug 1164854 approved!
[11:23] <apachelogger> \o/
[11:24] <apachelogger> <3
[11:24] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, what happened?:)
[11:24] <smartboyhw> Hmm digiKam 3.2.0-beta1 is out.
[11:25] <smartboyhw> Should we package it into Raring? (Probably not an good idea now)
[11:25] <Riddell> smartboyhw: too late for beta things
[11:25] <Riddell> smartboyhw: now calligra on the other hand...
[11:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yep:)
[11:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, damn let me download:P
[11:25]  * smartboyhw packages calligra NOW
[11:26]  * apachelogger yawns NOW
[11:26] <Riddell> thanks :)
[11:26] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, lOL
[11:27] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hmm how do I receive updates for new calligra packaging? Seems no way to know:P
[11:27] <popey> Riddell: +1
[11:28] <Riddell> smartboyhw: they're posted to the top secret kde-packager list
[11:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, grrr:P
[11:28] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I think that needs a bug filed on b.k.o for sysadmin to subscribe you
[11:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, b.k.o?
[11:28] <Riddell> smartboyhw: file one and I'll back you up
[11:28] <Riddell> bugs.kde.org
[11:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[11:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 1157280
[11:32] <smartboyhw> Riddell, some strange things though. (Like Reproducibility or that:P)
[11:33] <smartboyhw> Riddell, what should I set for severity?
[11:34] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm, I did that :(
[11:34] <Riddell> smartboyhw: just put junk in there
[11:34] <smartboyhw> Riddell, did:P
[11:34] <smartboyhw> Riddell, severity = ?
[11:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you have /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma-desktop/updates/02-add-print-manager.js ?
[11:35] <Riddell> smartboyhw: as high as you dare
[11:35] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I don't dare more than normal:P
[11:36] <smartboyhw> Riddell, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318083
[11:36] <smartboyhw> LOL
[11:36] <yofel> sysadmin requests are private
[11:36] <smartboyhw> yofel, ah.
[11:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: hm
[11:36] <yofel> smartboyhw: added a todo for calligra somewhere?
[11:36] <yofel> just so we know who's working on it
[11:37] <smartboyhw> yofel, probably not. Trello board editing now:P
[11:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: ah yes
[11:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: works now
[11:37] <yofel> do we really need to use trello for that...
[11:37]  * apachelogger manages Riddell's trello cards now :O
[11:38] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, :O
[11:38] <smartboyhw> yofel, erm anyway no problems I think
[11:39] <yofel> well, no, it's just that we now have like 3 locations where we track packaging todo's
[11:39]  * davmor2 wonders where the maniacal laughter is coming from, oh apachelogger has his mic on again :D
[11:40] <smartboyhw> yofel, we *should* make it centralized.
[11:41] <yofel> smartboyhw: there's a tradeoff between centralized, managable and consistency. We'll need to talk about that at Akademy
[11:42] <apachelogger> yofel: not a problem as long as they are all tracked on trello
[11:42] <apachelogger> just slab the links on the description
[11:43] <yofel> then put a link on the ninja pad that points people to the board in trello that they should look at
[11:45] <Riddell> when should trello be used and when a bug is an issue
[11:46] <Riddell> I have a todo item to sort out bugs needed for release
[11:46] <Riddell> but I'm not sure if they should go on trello or what
[11:47] <Riddell> shouldn't be a big issue, trello is just work items but slicker
[11:53] <apachelogger> IMO use trello whenver you have an work item that is not a bug *or* when you have a bug that needs fixing on multiple levels (or needs multiple steps to fix  in general) *or* you have an issue/bug that is of general interest to the team at large
[11:53] <apachelogger> glorified team todo
[11:55] <apachelogger> having a bug and a trello card is unavoidable at times though ... e.g. getting plymouth artwork changed required the team to make the changes and then the formal process of getting a freeze exception
[11:56] <apachelogger> so I suppose on a general note things that need formal documentation ought to go into bugs; that does however not mean that there cannot be a trello card as well
[11:56] <yofel> right, it makes perfect sense when you have multiple steps that you can define in advance
[11:56] <apachelogger> (bugs are technically not meant to be used as a means to trakc work items :))
[11:57] <yofel> they work pretty well though for package requests
[11:57] <apachelogger> yofel: mh, it's a matter of scaling really
[11:58] <apachelogger> you can have a big card with many steps
[11:58] <apachelogger> or many tiny cards
[11:58] <apachelogger> or many boards with many cards
[11:58] <yofel> how do you draw the line there?
[11:58] <apachelogger> you don't need to? :P
[11:58] <apachelogger> whatever works best...
[11:58] <yofel> for 4.10.2 I found the trello card to be pretty useless
[11:59] <apachelogger> e.g. if you wanted to track release packaging you could do that in a board
[11:59] <apachelogger> for columns you'd have the discrete state of a package
[11:59] <apachelogger> needs-upload; needs-building; built; needs-testing; whathaveyou...
[12:00] <apachelogger> you then move the cards (packages) from state to state
[12:00] <apachelogger> once all arrived in the good-to-publish column you are done
[12:00] <Riddell> ktp has stopped connecting to facebook and gtalk for me, should I be worried?
[12:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: probably shadeslayer broke it? :P
[12:00] <yofel> gtalk works here, but took a while to connect
[12:00] <shadeslayer> works fine for me
[12:00] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, :P
[12:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger broke it by releasing phonon
[12:01] <apachelogger> it's funny because I didn't
[12:01] <apachelogger> also it's sad because I didn't
[12:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kde-telepathy is onlt 0.5.80?
[12:02] <apachelogger> also breaking kde4libs now
[12:02] <yofel> apachelogger: that in itself makes sense, but esp. for packaging I would like to have things where all people with permission to change a package can find the TODO
[12:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the meta package wasn't updated, I don't think it's required to update that
[12:02] <yofel> and ubuntu's de-facto standard for that are bugs right now
[12:02] <yofel> the todo items are primarily meant for notes and to prevent duplicate work
[12:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it means if I want to get the latest kde-telepathy by installing kde-telepathy it doesn't update
[12:03] <apachelogger> yofel: as I said whatever works best
[12:03] <apachelogger> e.g. needs-packaging should not go to trello IMO
[12:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: whut? the meta package depends on >= 0.5.80
[12:04] <apachelogger> not only anyway
[12:04] <yofel> we need a page that explains what to use when and where to find it 
[12:04] <yofel> todo for akademy
[12:04] <apachelogger> first we ought to discuss whether we are going to continue using trello :P
[12:05] <apachelogger> seeing as I am the only one using it excessively anyway :P
[12:05] <Riddell> it's a question of whether it's good enough to replace work items
[12:05] <Riddell> does it scale well to the number of WIs we have?
[12:05] <yofel> hey, I use it too, and shadeslayer I believe
[12:05] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, em we just used it for 1 or 2 months I think
[12:05] <shadeslayer> indeedly
[12:05] <shadeslayer> I use it as well
[12:06] <apachelogger> yofel: not as much as me :P
[12:06] <Riddell> oh and will other ubuntu teams get confused/annoyed by us not using the work items they're used to
[12:06] <apachelogger> <- quite the fanboy
[12:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: WIs are broken, not our fault :P
[12:06] <Riddell> and it means we won't get pretty graphs of work items, but then do we care?
[12:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: regarding scaling though ... it really only depends on how we approach it
[12:06] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I don't:P
[12:06] <yofel> IMO they're more flexible than blueprints. And ubuntu's todo item burndown page is just broken
[12:06] <smartboyhw> yofel, why!/
[12:07] <smartboyhw> ?
[12:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: e.g. stuffing all the crap into one board is likely not going to be successful
[12:07] <yofel> smartboyhw: broken? I would like a page that doesn't have broken links all over the page
[12:07] <smartboyhw> yofel, hmm..
[12:07] <yofel> maybe they improved it, but my last impression of it was pretty much a static page
[12:07] <yofel> might as well make it a picture
[12:08] <smartboyhw> yofel, try the current one.
[12:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: so I believe what was a blueprint ought to be a board in trello, so per board you have some 10-20 work items which is stil fine
[12:08] <smartboyhw> It does update for us.
[12:08] <yofel> smartboyhw: got a link? forgot where it was
[12:08] <smartboyhw> status.ubuntu.com yofel
[12:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uploaded meta-kde-telepathy
[12:08] <shadeslayer> needs approval probably
[12:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: another approach would be to replace a blueprint with a meta-card ... i.e. a card with a checklist of subitems, then whenver someone starts working on an item they tick it in the metacard and create a new card for that item
[12:09] <apachelogger> creation on-demand one coudl call that ^^
[12:09]  * apachelogger likes the multi-board approach better though
[12:09] <yofel> smartboyhw: for example: you have a work item related to studio and wubi. But if I click on your name there I end up on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+specs?role=assignee
[12:09] <yofel> that's obviously the wrong query
[12:10] <apachelogger> yofel: they are much more borken than that
[12:11] <smartboyhw> yofel, you said "You want to find a page that doesn't have broken links er well the main page isn't:P
[12:11] <yofel> ok, they seem to have fixed most of the rest of the page
[12:11] <apachelogger> hard to edt if there are loads of items
[12:11] <apachelogger> hard to find an item
[12:11] <apachelogger> cannot comment on an item
[12:11] <apachelogger> cannot use arbitrary states for an item
[12:11] <yofel> "cannot comment on an item" - THAT is true
[12:12] <apachelogger> cannot have properly assign more than one person
[12:12] <apachelogger> no history on items
[12:12] <yofel> can't you have the same workitem twice? with different assignees
[12:12] <apachelogger> can't tag items (Such that I could go show-me-all-programming-stuffz)
[12:12] <Mirv> shadeslayer: lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtcreator-qt4 compiled at ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-staging has now something that at least starts
[12:12] <apachelogger> yofel: yes
[12:12] <apachelogger> yofel: now say you need to change that item
[12:13] <apachelogger> what will you have to do? :P
[12:13] <apachelogger> ...
[12:13] <smartboyhw> add oil on criticizing:P
[12:13] <yofel> go into an editing frenzy :P
[12:13] <apachelogger> say you have 4 assignees or more
[12:13] <smartboyhw> Hmm calligra went here already.
[12:13] <Mirv> and probably works as well, no reason not to. conflicts with normal qtcreator since it's not co-installable.
[12:14] <smartboyhw> here = my computer:P
[12:16] <shadeslayer> hurrah
[12:16] <shadeslayer> will test later
[12:17] <smartboyhw> Riddell, do comment for me on the KDE sysadmin bug:)
[12:21]  * apachelogger looks at shadeslayer
[12:21] <shadeslayer> what
[12:21] <shadeslayer> what
[12:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22078746
[12:22] <Riddell> smartboyhw: turns out I'm not elite enough to see it
[12:22] <Riddell> smartboyhw: but they'll come to me anyway if you said it's for kubuntu
[12:22] <apachelogger> smartboyhw needs ot sub your bko address
[12:22] <apachelogger> or mine
[12:22] <apachelogger> sitter@kde.org
[12:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: about as ironic as IBM complaining about MS's monopoly
[12:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: 
[12:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: 
[12:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah :P
[12:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what is it?
[12:25] <apachelogger> I forgot!
[12:25] <shadeslayer> ...
[12:26] <apachelogger> it was something hawt
[12:26] <apachelogger> ah!
[12:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: 
[12:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you totally want to blog about our cool new boot artwork, don't you?
[12:26] <shadeslayer> nope
[12:27] <apachelogger> -.-
[12:27] <apachelogger> must I do everything myself...
[12:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: I can, I need more +ve things on my blog
[12:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: is it in yet?
[12:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: got an accepted mail anyway
[12:27] <apachelogger> sec
[12:27] <apachelogger> no
[12:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: accepted into proposed and built
[12:29]  * apachelogger needs to prep debiancd and poke cj and fix rekonq and fix lightdm and fix screenlocking -.-
[12:29] <apachelogger> :@
[12:29] <apachelogger> actually looking may be fixed in .2 I reckon
[12:29] <apachelogger> s/looking/locking/
[12:29] <kubotu> apachelogger meant: "actually locking may be fixed in .2 I reckon"
[12:31] <yofel> depends how you define "fixed"
[12:32] <yofel> or what was the broken part again?
[12:32] <yofel> (except having a password field when it's not actually locked)
[12:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: ah, if you want you can also mention low-fat ugrades ... along with improvements inside kde software itself low-fat can now reduce memory consumption by up to 60%
[12:36] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/04/09/plasma-desktopxS2215.png
[12:36] <apachelogger> down from 370
[12:36] <apachelogger> s/upgrades/updates even
[12:37] <apachelogger> yofel: not locking at all
[12:37] <apachelogger> need to go afk to test :P
[12:37] <yofel> locks when I tell it to lock and when I suspend
[12:37] <Riddell> mck182: has libkfacebook disappeared from akonadi-facebook?
[12:37] <yofel> but I think I never noticed it being broken in the first place
[12:38] <yofel> (or misunderstood what the issue is)
[12:38] <mck182> Riddell: yeah, long time ago :)
[12:38] <yofel> oh wait, I think I remembered
[12:38] <mck182> that whole thing is now deprecated
[12:38] <Riddell> mck182: deprecated but still needed separately for 4.10?
[12:38] <mck182> Riddell: yeah, but fwiw kubuntu is the only distro actually shipping it
[12:39] <mck182> (and netrunner)
[12:39] <Riddell> mck182: do we still want to ship it?
[12:39] <Riddell> I expect Mint KDE ships it too :)
[12:39] <mck182> Riddell: it's not much usefull atm, plus you'll have to deal with kdepim 4.11 which will introduce conflicts I guess
[12:40] <mck182> but I don't think that will be a big problem ;)
[12:40] <Riddell> mck182: the current snapshot we have is 20120712, do we want to update that?
[12:40] <mck182> that snapshot still require libkfacebook right?
[12:40] <Riddell> mck182: yes
[12:41] <mck182> Riddell: well, you can upgrade it, yes, it will just require libkfbapi
[12:41] <mck182> which is in extragear
[12:41] <Riddell> hmm
[12:42] <apachelogger> yofel: it doesn't lock on afk
[12:42] <apachelogger> the lock screen is there
[12:42] <apachelogger> but it simply goes away on activity
[12:42] <yofel> just tried it. If I enable "require password after X seconds", it locks. If that's disabled it won't *lock* but display the password screen
[12:43] <apachelogger> ohm
[12:43] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhm
[12:43] <mck182> Riddell: libkfbapi is libkfacebook 2.0, many many improvements and fixes
[12:43] <mck182> actually I think I should probably release it
[12:43] <mck182> somehow
[12:43] <yofel> so it does lock if you tell it to lock
[12:43] <apachelogger> yofel: 1. wtf 2. wtf 3. wtf 4. wtf 5. why is it not enabled by default?
[12:43] <yofel> dunno what the default is, lemme fire up a live disk
[12:43] <apachelogger> what exactly is the point of displaying a *lock* screen without being locked
[12:43] <apachelogger> dafuq
[12:44] <yofel> well, that's the broken part. Still there in .2
[12:45] <apachelogger> so silly
[12:47] <yofel> wow, rendering is utterly broken in qemu
[12:48] <apachelogger> it's the weird defautl driver
[12:48] <apachelogger> if you tell qemu to use another one it works better for me
[12:48] <yofel> maybe just the new mesa from x-staging
[12:49] <yofel> need to test that again later
[12:49] <apachelogger> nah the qemu driver emulation is crap for whatever it uses by default, messing up resolution hinting to the guest or something
[12:50] <apachelogger> so the guest renders at 800x600 or something while the window is 1280 or whatever
[12:50] <yofel> I mean this level of broken: http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/kvm_live.png
[12:50] <yofel> but here's the locker defaults http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/locker_setting.png
[12:50] <yofel> broken too
[12:51] <apachelogger> oy
[12:51] <apachelogger> ok that is excessively broken
[12:51] <apachelogger> those 15 minutes are also fun
[12:52] <apachelogger> so I am thinking 5 minutes + 10 (maybe 15) seconds until lock
[12:56] <smartboyhw> Riddell, apachelogger I will subscribe BOTH:P
[12:57] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, done for you.
[12:57] <smartboyhw> Not sure which address for Riddell though.
[12:57] <Riddell> jr@jriddell.org
[13:02] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ok
[13:02] <smartboyhw> Riddell, done
[13:03] <smartboyhw> Riddell, thanks:)
[13:10] <smartboyhw> -- The following OPTIONAL packages could NOT be located on your system.
[13:10] <smartboyhw> -- Consider installing them to enable more features from this software.
[13:10] <smartboyhw> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
[13:10] <smartboyhw>    * OCIO  <http://www.opencolorio.org>
[13:10] <smartboyhw>      The OpenColorIO Library
[13:10] <smartboyhw>      Required by the Krita LUT docker
[13:11] <smartboyhw> Hmm do we have that in our packaging!?
[13:12] <smartboyhw> Turns out: There are PPAs but not the official one.
[13:13] <smartboyhw> s/official one/official archive/
[13:13] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "Turns out: There are PPAs but not the official archive."
[13:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell, too late to get it in official repos right?
[13:17] <apachelogger> re
[13:17] <smartboyhw> re?
[13:19] <apachelogger> spaceships!
[13:19] <smartboyhw> ;O
[13:19] <apachelogger> reviewboard started working again, so magic
[13:20] <smartboyhw> XD
[13:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/109927/
[13:31] <apachelogger> ah right
[13:32] <apachelogger> 2 empty lines between functions
[13:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I remember why I liked rekonq so much
[13:32] <shadeslayer> :D
[13:35]  * BluesKaj finds it difficult to like rekonq ..must be joking :)
[13:35] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj, :)
[13:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: #include <krecentdirs.h>
[13:36] <shadeslayer> pretty headers?
[13:37] <apachelogger> doesn't have one
[13:37] <shadeslayer> oh okay
[13:37] <apachelogger> it's super internal spooky shit
[13:37] <shadeslayer> fix it?
[13:37] <shadeslayer> lol
[13:40] <smartboyhw> DAMN IT
[13:40] <apachelogger> if reviewboard wasn't so slow -.-
[13:40]  * smartboyhw has to add another package and re-upload the whole calligra-l10n
[13:40]  * apachelogger is suer hungry
[13:41] <apachelogger> omnomnom suer
[13:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you broke reviewboard again -.-
[13:41] <shadeslayer> I most certainly did not
[13:41] <apachelogger> why is it not doing no nothing then
[13:42] <shadeslayer> it doesn't like you
[13:42] <apachelogger> why that would be outragous
[13:42] <apachelogger> apparently one is nonly allowed to submit one review per day
[13:42] <apachelogger> very nice
[13:43]  * apachelogger gives up
[13:43] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/719954/
[13:43] <apachelogger> in case anyone cares for a working rekonq
[13:43]  * apachelogger out
[13:44] <Riddell> smartboyhw: it would need a good excuse
[13:45] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I need an FFe for this I think
[13:45] <smartboyhw> New turkish translation.
[13:45] <smartboyhw> No need for UIFe though (I think)
[13:45] <Riddell> smartboyhw: for the new calligra version?  it's just bugfix no?
[13:45] <smartboyhw> Riddell, new 2.6.3.
[13:46] <smartboyhw> I didn't upload for 2.6.2 because the cavalencia translations went MIA and it needed a fix...
[13:46] <smartboyhw> And now we already got 2.6.3.
[13:46] <yofel> so calligra-l10n needs a ffe?
[13:46] <smartboyhw> yofel, yeah:(
[13:46]  * smartboyhw hates filing FFeS.....
[13:46] <yofel> because of a new package?
[13:47] <smartboyhw> yofel, because of a new translation yes.
[13:47] <Riddell> smartboyhw: new translations aren't a feature
[13:47] <smartboyhw> Riddell, uh!?
[13:47] <smartboyhw> LOL
[13:48] <yofel> Riddell: it would be if it needs to pass binary NEW
[13:48] <smartboyhw> yofel, yep.
[13:48] <yofel> that's what I think he means at least
[13:50] <Riddell> hmm well I'd just approve it
[13:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell, dget -x https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/2buntu/+files/calligra-l10n_2.6.3-0ubuntu1.dsc (finally I don't have to file a bug and attach each orig.tar.bz2 to the bug, phew, I have been stupid before three times)
[13:52] <yofel> wait
[13:52] <yofel> I'll upload, then Riddell can approve
[13:52] <yofel> smartboyhw: how's calligra itself doing?
[13:53] <smartboyhw> yofel, building to see what will happen to dh_install --list-missing
[13:53] <smartboyhw> So I can add back the files!!!
[13:53] <yofel> good
[13:53] <Riddell> smartboyhw: add back what files?
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell, some files that are new but didn't get into the .install files.
[13:55] <smartboyhw> I need to check.
[13:56] <smartboyhw> Building at 72%.
[13:56]  * smartboyhw really likes -j4
[13:59] <ovidiu-florin> question. I've found this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=317387 and it does not manifest if I build kmail from source, but it manifests on the kmail installed by default in kubuntu. why is that, and how can I fix it?
[13:59] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, do you build from master or?
[13:59] <ovidiu-florin> yes, master
[14:00] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, may not be as the same version as in Kubuntu.......
[14:00] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: can you please try to build the KDE/4.10 branch?
[14:00] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[14:00] <ovidiu-florin> I'll try again
[14:00] <yofel> that's essentially what we have, so that should tell whether it's our fault or not
[14:01] <yofel> which reminds me that we need to import that completion patch
[14:02] <smartboyhw> yofel, that dget -x message should be targetted at you instead now (since you are uploading instead of Riddell )
[14:02] <yofel> I know
[14:04] <yofel> smartboyhw: changelog is incomplete http://paste.kde.org/719972
[14:04] <yofel> if you add a -tr package, please do say so
[14:04] <smartboyhw> yofel, um I need to re-upload then (again) :(
[14:04] <smartboyhw> Third time.
[14:05]  * smartboyhw is running out of PPAs to use.
[14:05] <yofel> just stuff it on people.ubuntu.com then
[14:07] <smartboyhw> yofel, never used it.... Will need some time.
[14:08] <yofel> smartboyhw: what for? all you need is sftp and your ssh key that's on launchpad
[14:08] <smartboyhw> yofel, I know.
[14:08] <smartboyhw> Will need some time to upload:P
[14:08] <yofel> ah :D
[14:09] <smartboyhw> yofel, can we dput into people.ubuntu.com? (LOL)
[14:09] <Riddell> smartboyhw: not it's sftp access
[14:09] <smartboyhw> Riddell, that's why it's extremely sad
[14:10] <Riddell> dolphin does it nicely
[14:10] <smartboyhw> Whoa look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~unit193/pisg/kubuntu.html
[14:10] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yofel doesn't need the binaries
[14:10] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj, you king.
[14:10] <smartboyhw> :P
[14:10] <yofel> hum, dput does support sftp... so feel free to try to figure it out
[14:10] <smartboyhw> Riddell, anyway: Maybe I just change the kubuntu-packaging branch? (/me hasn't uploaded to it yet.)
[14:11] <yofel> drat, I'm ranked lower than ubottu :'(
[14:11] <smartboyhw> yofel, LOL
[14:14] <smartboyhw> yofel, would you be unhappy if I just add that + tr translation line to the kubuntu-packaging calligra branch?
[14:14] <yofel> smartboyhw: no
[14:15] <smartboyhw> yofel, oh well :)
[14:16] <yofel> smartboyhw: wait, calligra-l10n has no branch
[14:16] <yofel> I'll just add it
[14:16] <smartboyhw> yofel, :O
[14:23] <smartboyhw> Analyzing the --list-missing thing
[14:24] <smartboyhw> Quite clean.
[14:24] <smartboyhw> :O
[14:24] <smartboyhw> Only some needs to be added.
[14:25] <agateau_> apachelogger: sorry was away, overloading distro name makes sense to me
[14:25] <smartboyhw> Only 4!
[14:25] <smartboyhw> More ;O given.
[14:25] <smartboyhw> Very easy this time it seems.
[14:26] <smartboyhw> yofel, dget -x http://people.ubuntu.com/~smartboyhw/calligra-l10n_2.6.3-0ubuntu1.dsc (hopefully it does pull all the files)
[14:28] <yofel> smartboyhw: worked
[14:28] <smartboyhw> yofel, \o/
[14:28] <smartboyhw> -queuebot/#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: calligra-l10n (raring-proposed/universe) [1:2.6.1-0ubuntu1 => 1:2.6.3-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[14:29] <smartboyhw> Uh why is it in ubuntu-desktop?:)
[14:29] <Riddell> they're secret calligra fans
[14:29] <smartboyhw> \o/
[14:29] <smartboyhw> That's awesome!
[14:29] <Riddell> note: may be untrue
[14:29] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[14:32] <Riddell> Mirv: quite some missing symbols http://paste.kde.org/719978/
[14:33] <Riddell> Mirv: but would missing symbols really cause a crash in skype that could be worked out with pre-loading libGL?
[14:34] <smartboyhw> More happily: All of the 4 files come from calligraplan.
[14:36] <shadeslayer> whaaa
[14:45] <ovidiu-florin> who did you say was in charge of telepathy?
[14:45] <ovidiu-florin> should I ask about that here or in #kde or #kde-vevel
[14:45] <ovidiu-florin> ?
[14:45] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: depends what you mean by incharge?
[14:45] <Riddell> the packaging
[14:46] <Riddell> the kde coding
[14:46] <ovidiu-florin> coding
[14:46] <Riddell> actual telepathy coding
[14:46] <ovidiu-florin> so #kde-devel
[14:46] <ovidiu-florin> ?
[14:46] <Riddell> d_ed is a useful sort on #k-d
[14:46] <ovidiu-florin> what?
[14:48] <Riddell> d_ed is a useful sort on #kde-devel
[14:49] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I don't understand you do you mean by "is a useful sort"
[14:50] <Riddell> smartboyhw: he is a useful person when it comes to telepathy issues
[14:51] <ovidiu-florin> ahaaaaa
[14:51] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[14:53] <ovidiu-florin> smartboyhw: thank you
[14:53] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, don't thank me. Thank Riddell.
[14:53] <ovidiu-florin> the first thanks is for Riddell
[14:54] <ovidiu-florin> the second one if for helping me undestanf what Riddell sayd
[14:54] <Riddell> mck182: libkfbapi misses a cmake check for libboost
[14:54] <ovidiu-florin> said
[14:54] <smartboyhw> ...
[14:56] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[14:57] <smartboyhw> Hello lordievader 
[15:01] <shadeslayer> xnox: someone just informed me that the Kubuntu ISO wipes out the efi partition
[15:01] <shadeslayer> whereas the Ubuntu ISO does not
[15:02] <xnox> shadeslayer: fun. well please collect logs and file a bug =)
[15:03] <lordievader> Hey smartboyhw, how are you doing?
[15:03] <shadeslayer> I've asked the person to do that
[15:03] <smartboyhw> lordievader, :)
[15:03] <mck182> Riddell: boost? it does not use boost asaik
[15:03] <mck182> *afaik
[15:04]  * smartboyhw is uploading calligra 2.6.3 to PPA.
[15:04] <Riddell> mck182: obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/libkfbapi/CMakeFiles/kfbapi.dir/CXX.includecache:boost/shared_ptr.hpp
[15:04] <Riddell> mck182: something is generated which does
[15:04] <Riddell> mck182: also qjson could do with one
[15:04] <mck182> hm
[15:04] <mck182> qjson probably might, yeah
[15:08] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hmm would an update of icecc from 0.9.8 to 1.0.0 need an FFe (just asking)
[15:09] <Riddell> smartboyhw: depends if it has new features
[15:09] <smartboyhw> Riddell, biggest one: out-of-the-box support for Clang.
[15:11] <ovidiu-florin> can I ask here? I'm trying to build kdepim. ERROR: cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake not found in....
[15:12] <ovidiu-florin> what am I missing?
[15:12] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: kdelibs5-dev
[15:12] <ovidiu-florin> okm thank you
[15:24] <smartboyhw> Riddell, does it need an FFe then?
[15:24] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yep
[15:24] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK....., grr:(
[15:25] <Riddell> smartboyhw: and it won't get one unless there's a good reason
[15:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, which that OOBE thing is one:P
[15:25] <Riddell> smartboyhw: pardon?
[15:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell, which the out-of-the-box feature needs an FFe....
[15:26] <smartboyhw> The good reason
[15:26] <Riddell> oh clang, can't say I've felt that as being a must have feature for 13.04
[15:27] <Riddell> mck182: this a good description?
[15:27] <Riddell>  LibKFBAPI (previously called LibKFacebook) is a C++ library that implements APIs
[15:27] <Riddell>  for various Facebook services.
[15:27] <smartboyhw> Riddell, well I don't think that will be an issue if we update it.
[15:27] <mck182> Riddell: perfect :) oh and the lib name is LibKFbAPI (non-capital b)
[15:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, dget -x https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa/+files/calligra_2.6.3-0ubuntu1.dsc and review. Tell me if I got anything wrong please;)
[15:39] <smartboyhw> Clearly, I don't like this: https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+participation
[15:40] <Riddell> smartboyhw: +usr/lib/kde4/planconvert/PlanConvert.jar
[15:40] <Riddell> !
[15:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, what's the problem?
[15:40]  * smartboyhw thought it is OK since it is not in debian/not-installed
[15:41] <Riddell> calligra has started shipping java binary blobs :(
[15:41] <smartboyhw> Riddell, um yep.......
[15:42] <Riddell> java binary blobs make baby buddha cry
[15:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[15:43] <yofel> translated: they're not dfsg compliant ^^
[15:43] <smartboyhw> yofel, +1
[15:44] <Riddell> smartboyhw: presumably you have java installed?
[15:44] <Riddell> else it doesn't get installed
[15:44] <smartboyhw> Riddell, eek clearly I forgotten to do a build-dep on that
[15:45] <Riddell> you don't want to!
[15:45] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I thought most Ubuntu distros have openjdk on it
[15:45] <smartboyhw> But I use pure Oracle JDK 8
[15:45] <smartboyhw> Sorry:(
[15:45] <Riddell> well good you spotted this, it's an upstream issue
[15:45] <yofel> smartboyhw: the point is not to use java at all here
[15:45] <smartboyhw> yofel, yes I agree
[15:45] <yofel> smartboyhw: at least not while the jar isn't built at runtime - or is it?
[15:46] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yofel I will post in the Calligra mailing list to complain
[15:46] <smartboyhw> yofel, um lemme check.
[15:46] <Riddell> smartboyhw: point out (politely) it's against KDE's licence policy
[15:46] <Riddell> yofel, smartboyhw: there's no source
[15:46] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yep
[15:46] <agateau_> just curious, what are they using java for?
[15:46] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I will:)
[15:46] <smartboyhw> agateau_, some sort of things in Calligraplan
[15:47] <agateau_> ok
[15:47] <Riddell> smartboyhw: hmm hang on
[15:48] <smartboyhw> Riddell, oh?
[15:48] <smartboyhw> Don't tell me it IS compiled...
[15:48] <Riddell> +PlanConverts classes is generated from the plan.dtd file using the script: generatedtdclasses
[15:49]  * shadeslayer waves fist at launchpad
[15:49]  * yofel passes shadeslayer a cup of coffee
[15:49] <smartboyhw> And anyway if anyone wants build logs, the builds at my PPA are starting within 13 min for i386 and 24 for amd64
[15:49] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, what happened!?
[15:50] <shadeslayer> curl: (35) Unknown SSL protocol error in connection to launchpadlibrarian.net:443 
[15:50] <yofel> lol
[15:55] <Riddell> smartboyhw: it does seem to have everything there so I guess it's dfsg and kde licence happy
[15:55] <Riddell> smartboyhw: but we don't install java by default so I'll undo your changes
[15:56] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK:)
[16:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer, Quintasan: I can't connect to facebook or gtalk with telepathy, should I be worried?
[16:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer, Quintasan: the configure dialogue is taller than my monitor
[16:07] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[16:07] <shadeslayer> to the debug mobile!
[16:07] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, :)
[16:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://community.kde.org/KTp/FAQ#Providing_debug
[16:13] <Riddell> http://paste.kde.org/720104/
[16:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: presumably you can connect?
[16:15] <shadeslayer> facebook yes, I haven't added google
[16:15] <shadeslayer> because I need to generate an application password for that and I'm too lazy to do that :P
[16:16] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[16:16] <shadeslayer> 09/04/13 17:12:39.716721 - [gabble/tls] gabble_tls_certificate_reject (tls-certificate.c:294): Reject() called on the TLS certificate with rejections 0x1552e80, length 0; current state 0
[16:16] <Riddell> isn't it just your normal google login?
[16:16] <shadeslayer> nope
[16:16] <shadeslayer> I have 2 step auth
[16:16] <ovidiu-florin> what package provides the boost libraries?
[16:16] <ovidiu-florin> I found a lot of them
[16:16] <shadeslayer> so I have to generate a separate app specific password
[16:16] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: for raring it's 1.49
[16:17] <ovidiu-florin> I've installed libboost-dev
[16:17] <ovidiu-florin> which installed libboost1.49-dev
[16:17] <ovidiu-florin> but cmake still says that boost is missing
[16:18] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: there's other boost packages
[16:18] <shadeslayer> oh?
[16:18] <Riddell> so depends on what it's asking for
[16:18] <shadeslayer> yeah ^
[16:19] <ovidiu-florin> I'm trying to build akonadi and cmake says that Boost was not found
[16:19] <shadeslayer> 09/04/13 17:12:39.960073 - [gabble/connection] connector_error_disconnect (connection.c:1772): connection failed: WOCKY_AUTH_ERROR_FAILURE (#6): Client aborted authentication.
[16:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: are you sure your password is correct?
[16:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: same one logs me into gmail fine
[16:21] <shadeslayer> d_ed: hey, so, Riddell is having issues connecting to GTalk/Facebook
[16:21] <shadeslayer> d_ed: http://paste.kde.org/720104/ debug log
[16:21] <shadeslayer> and I see : 09/04/13 17:12:39.959986 - [wocky] auth_failed: wocky-sasl-auth.c:274: Authentication failed!: Client aborted authentication.
[16:23] <d_ed> issues with both GTalk and Facebook?
[16:23] <d_ed> oh, whoever has that pastebin has Empathy installed
[16:23] <Riddell> d_ed: yep
[16:24] <Riddell> d_ed: is that bad?
[16:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: any ideas? http://paste.kde.org/720110/http://paste.kde.org/720110/
[16:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: any ideas? http://paste.kde.org/720110/
[16:24] <d_ed> somewhat. Whatever your problem is it's almost certainly caused by Empathy being mental.
[16:27] <Riddell> d_ed: damn, you're right
[16:27] <Riddell> d_ed: whyever would empathy affect it? isn't it all the same telepathy in the back?
[16:30] <d_ed> yeah
[16:30] <d_ed> however, there's two problems.
[16:30] <d_ed> 1) passwords are done by the application
[16:30] <d_ed> so telepathy says "who can give me a password for this account?"
[16:30] <d_ed> then we both race to answer
[16:31] <d_ed> I think it's whoever is installed last wins
[16:31] <d_ed> obvioulsy only one of us actually has it
[16:31] <yofel> Riddell: bug 1165408
[16:31] <d_ed> 2) when I was trying it, tesitng something for afiestas, Empathy started meddling with my accounts for "gnome online accounts"
[16:31] <d_ed> not really sure what it was
[16:32] <d_ed> theoretically everything works together, in practice they both start attacking each other
[16:32] <d_ed> brilliant 8-)
[16:32] <Riddell> ug, nasty
[16:33] <ovidiu-florin> (still no one answered) wich boost package should I install?
[16:33] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: it depends on what it needs
[16:33] <ovidiu-florin> how can I tell?
[16:34] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: apt-cache search libboost dev 1.49
[16:34] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: what's it asking for?
[16:34] <ovidiu-florin> it just says the boost C++ libraryes
[16:34] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: there must be a compile failure if nothing more useful
[16:34] <ovidiu-florin> it also says "(program_options)" is that relevant?
[16:35] <Riddell> no idea, depends on the context
[16:35] <ovidiu-florin> http://paste.kde.org/720122/
[16:36] <Riddell> yofel: hmm
[16:37] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: try libboost-program-options-dev then
[16:37] <Riddell> yofel: yeah missing its Replaces: kubuntu-firefox-installer
[16:38] <ovidiu-florin> it worked, thank you
[16:39] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: better to use libboost-program-options1.49-dev
[16:53] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: the one yofel mentionned is a dummy package
[16:53] <ovidiu-florin> it points to this one
[17:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: tell chris
[18:19] <shadeslayer> yofel: what was the option to pass to apt to enable debug info about pkg-resolver?
[18:21] <yofel> -o DEBUG::PkgProblemResolver=true
[18:25] <shadeslayer> thx
[18:54] <Darkwing> Changing the grub entry from Ubuntu to Kubuntu GNU/Linux was brilliant. Bravo
[20:18] <bmw> KDE or Ubuntu bug? Date/Time settings, time zone setting in GUI reverts to UTC. Have to use CLI to correct time zone.
[21:24] <Mamarok> bmw: no idea how that happens, markey has the same problem on 13.04 beta1, KDE 4.10.1. I have never seen it on my installation, but I have several timezones defined, inlcuding UTC, he only had a non-UTC one
[21:25] <Mamarok> I haven't seen that reported in #kde so far, somight be Kubuntu specific, I just don't know how to debug
[23:47] <smartboyhw> One interesting thing: Although calligra builds in the Ubuntu archive, it doesn't build in my own PPA...
[23:48] <smartboyhw> \o/ I (just) got added into kde-packagers mailing list.