[00:11] <rosco_y> How do I add a panel to my desktop?
[00:15] <tonyp> hello people
[07:16] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:32] <Guest58634> Gday, two noob questions. 1. How do can I download anoher word proccesor program, and from where? 2. How do I make the windows minimize to the toolbar?
[07:32] <eos> hi there. My kde takes forever to start up. It seems that nepomuk and virtuoso are using the disk at start up for some 3 minutes.
[07:32] <eos> anyone with the same problem?
[07:33] <eos> Guest58634: another compared to what? to minimize click on the third button from the right.
[07:33] <eos> Guest58634: in the top roght corner.
[07:35] <Guest58634> Compared to LibreOfficeWriter. The problem is, when I minimize, it dissapears, and I have to alt+tab back to it. It doesnt show on the bottom panel
[07:39] <lordievader> eos: Do you use Nepomuk or Virtuoso?
[07:40] <eos> lordievader: I activated nepomuk for the semantic search .... I do not understand why virtuosos starts. May it be opened by akonadi?
[07:40] <lordievader> Guest58634: There seem to be only a few alternatives: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Linux_office_suite_software
[07:41] <eos> Guest58634: it may be you do  not have a task manager in your panel. have you checked?
[07:42] <eos> lordievader: pstree shows that virtuoso was started by nepomuservices
[07:42] <lordievader> eos: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2011-March/009092.html
[07:43] <eos> lordievader: well, that is not really a solution, because then the semantic desktop does not work anymore.
[07:44] <lordievader> I know, it was just a bit of clarification of what virtuoso does ;)
[07:45] <eos> lordievader: from what I rememebr from long time ago, virtuoso was the original databse udner nepomuk, but for some strange reason I had thought we had moved on to another db .... apologies.
[07:45] <lordievader> To me the whole business of nepomuk/akonadi/virtuoso is a mess, it either crashes or hogs the cpu, thus making everything very slow.
[07:47] <lordievader> eos: Is virtuoso hoggin the cpu at your pc?
[07:47] <eos> lordievader: exactly. and if you sum it to the kwin / xorg cpu load .... mmmm .... it is a real pity because 4.10.2 is really great but you cannot wait 300 seconds to have your system up and running.
[07:48] <lordievader> Supposedly someone is working on the login procedure.
[07:51] <valorie> this virtuoso cpu-hogging used to happen for me maybe 2 years or 18 months ago, but now, never
[08:01] <eos> valorie: it is just always the same ....
[08:01] <eos> valorie: unless maybe creating a completely new user accout, btu then you lose everything
[08:02] <valorie> in general I do upgrades, not re-installs
[08:03] <eos> valorie: oh ok ....
[08:03] <valorie> when I do have problems, I move the old .kde folder, and then put things back until I have a problem
[08:04] <valorie> then back out the problem line
[08:04] <eos> valorie: it takes forever, this is a production machine
[08:04] <valorie> I understand
[08:04] <valorie> Just stating my experience
[08:05] <eos> valorie: I think you are doing the right thing, it is more complicated when you have a production machine
[08:06] <valorie> eos, agreed
[08:07] <valorie> otoh, the nepomuk maintainer is amazing, and very helpful
[08:08] <valorie> it depends on whether or not you want to continue to use kubuntu on your production machine, I guess
[08:08] <eos> valorie: I really do not know how to solve it .... I will try contacting him. He is around here, or on the dev channel?
[08:08] <valorie> looking at the nicklist
[08:08] <eos> valorie: well, it has worked well .... apart this issue and the kwin / xorg issue ....
[08:08] <valorie> he goes by vhanda
[08:09] <eos> valorie: he is no her enow, but I was asking whether he normally hangs out her eor in the dev
[08:09] <valorie> kwin maintainer is mgraesslin
[08:09] <valorie> I don't see either
[08:09] <valorie> more likely to see them in #kde-devel
[08:09] <valorie> both of then
[08:10] <valorie> m
[08:10] <valorie> this is a KDE issue, not a Kubuntu issue
[08:11] <eos> valorie: are you sure? does it happen in all distributions or only in kubuntu? The xorg / kwin does not seem to happen on all of them ....
[08:11] <valorie> that I don't know for sure
[08:12] <valorie> I'm just saying that nepomuk=vhanda, and kwin=mgraesslin
[08:13] <eos> valorie: thanks I will try .... by the way what dm ar eyou using, lightdm or kdm?
[08:13] <valorie> lightdm I believe
[08:14] <eos> valorie: I was wondering whether it could be the dm ....
[08:15] <eos> valorie: oh! what graphic card / driver do you use?
[08:15] <valorie> Sysinfo for 'valorie-HP-Pavilion-dv7-Notebook-PC': Linux 3.5.0-18-generic running KDE Development Platform 4.10.2, CPU: AMD Phenom II P960 Quad-Core at 800 MHz (3591 bogomips), HD: 324/582GB, RAM: 5544/5714MB, 240 proc's, 9.41h up
[08:15] <valorie> driver -- not sure
[08:16] <valorie> whatever was suggested
[08:16] <valorie> I generally go with the defaults unless there is a reason to do otherwise
[08:16] <valorie> I don't like to futz
[08:16] <eos> valorie: that is a quite a processor  .... but I meant graphic card
[08:17] <valorie> my computer is a tool
[08:17] <valorie> hmm, I was hoping sysinfo would list that
[08:17] <valorie> how do I list that in the cli?
[08:17] <eos> valorie: lspci | grep -i vga
[08:18] <eos> valorie: yes, same for us, but to run models .... if it is hogged up, then the models do not run
[08:19] <valorie> $ lspci | grep -i vga
[08:19] <valorie> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS880M [Mobility Radeon HD 4200 Series]
[08:19] <valorie> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Robson CE [AMD Radeon HD 6300 Series]
[08:19] <valorie> yes, this is a nice laptop
[08:19] <eos> valorie: oh, thanks .... it is not the same, we have nvidia .... it may be the driver.
[08:20] <valorie> my son's slightly -used gaming machine
[08:20] <eos> valorie: :-D
[08:20] <valorie> he wanted the newest
[08:20] <valorie> lol
[08:22] <lordievader> eos: vhanda is currently in #kubuntu-devel, in case you want to know.
[08:23] <eos> lordievader: thanks
[08:24] <eos> valorie: you know these gamers .... but in my case is my wife! :-D
[08:25] <valorie> :-)
[11:04] <therali> dacor
[11:18] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:20] <adebayorr> helloooo whatsapp :D
[13:26] <liudas> hua! :)
[13:36] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[13:36] <smartboyhw> Hello ovidiu-florin :)
[13:37] <ovidiu-florin> I think I've finnaly managed to get my monitor to work properly
[13:39] <ovidiu-florin> take a look at this: http://pihalf.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/set-your-monitor-refresh-rate-with-xrandr/
[13:39] <ovidiu-florin> is this safe?
[13:42] <ovidiu-florin> these are  my settings now using nouveau http://paste.kde.org/719948/
[14:56] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[14:57] <ovidiu-florin> hello lordievader
[14:57] <ovidiu-florin> how are you?
[15:02] <lordievader> Doing good, ovidiu-florin, how are you?
[15:03] <ovidiu-florin> I think I've managed to set up my monitor
[15:03] <ovidiu-florin> finnaly
[15:04] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: http://pihalf.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/set-your-monitor-refresh-rate-with-xrandr/
[15:07] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: You know that is exactly the same as a link I gave you yesterday. Just in different words...
[16:48] <aboudreault> not sure why, but my sound from the headphone is very very low. everything seems to be at 100% in my mixer
[16:50] <BluesKaj> aboudreault, I have to ask , vol ctrl on the headphone ?
[16:50] <aboudreault> BluesKaj, no, they are too cheap for that.
[16:51] <aboudreault> I have also tried the headphone with another laptop and they are fine.
[16:51] <BluesKaj> aboudreault, a laptop?
[16:51] <aboudreault> yes.
[16:51] <aboudreault> it was fine for years... not sure what's the problem now
[16:52] <BluesKaj> use the line out ?
[16:53] <aboudreault> sorry, what do you mean? what is the line out?
[16:54] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: you did?
[16:55] <ovidiu-florin> sorry I don't remember
[16:55] <BluesKaj> well ,some laptops have an audio line ot where a separate sound system can be connected , sometimes this doubles as a hp out
[16:56] <aboudreault> BluesKaj, ah. that.. nah the other line out never worked. I always used the same.
[16:57] <RYDeN> im testing kubuntu 12.10 for a very first time
[16:57] <RYDeN> and it's amazing
[16:58] <BluesKaj> aboudreault, did you check alsamixer F5 , maybe the line out is muted or turned ...it really should work
[16:58] <BluesKaj> or turned down
[16:59] <aboudreault> i hear something, so it's not muted. in alsamixer.. I see Master, Headphone, Headphone 1 set to 100
[17:00] <aboudreault> strange.
[17:02] <BluesKaj> what about kmix in the panel , is it turned up too ?
[17:03] <aboudreault> yes.
[17:03] <aboudreault> I guess I'll have to investigate deeper soon.
[17:04] <ovidiu-florin> aboudreault: If you wont be able to fix this, try this workaround: install the veromix widget and in it's settings you'll have volume. you can set the maximum to be 200 or 300. and increase the volume using this widget
[17:04] <ovidiu-florin> you can drag it in the panel
[17:05] <aboudreault> ok thanks for mentionning.
[17:07] <BluesKaj> or aboudreault if you have pavucontrol installed , check the volume there
[17:07] <aboudreault> will install it.
[17:07] <BluesKaj> forgot to mention
[17:11] <ovidiu-florin> aboudreault: I use that for laptops with weak speakers
[17:13] <aboudreault> everything is at 100% there too.
[17:16] <ovidiu-florin> aboudreault: go to the pulse audio tab
[17:16] <ovidiu-florin> and set max volume value to 200
[17:16] <aboudreault> the sound is really crappy if I do that.
[17:17] <aboudreault> there must be something else....  will re-test my headphone to be sure with another device
[17:17] <ovidiu-florin> aboudreault: that means that there is something else
[17:17] <BluesKaj> maybe the HPs are cooked
[17:19] <aboudreault> maybe
[17:24] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Did what?
[17:26] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: you said you gave me that link
[17:27] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: I gave you another one, it said the same thing ;)
[17:27] <ovidiu-florin> I don't remember
[17:28] <ovidiu-florin> I might have missed it
[17:28] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[17:28] <ovidiu-florin> :D
[17:28] <FloodBotK1> ovidiu-florin: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:28] <lordievader> No problem ovidiu-florin :)
[17:28] <kardbored> anyone nice here?
[17:29] <kardbored> Feeling stupid and lost. Trying to get back into irc (never really got into); trying to find a good channel to join.. not sure what I'm doing.
[17:30] <Pici> kardbored: If you're just looking for chat you could try #kubuntu-offtopic and/or #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:30] <BluesKaj> kardbored, what kind of subject are you looking for ?
[17:31] <kardbored> well, i guess my main area of questoin is: do people typically search and join channels on known networks, or do users typically know of secret servers and channels which they join? or both?
[17:31] <bazhang> !alis | kardbored have a search
[17:33] <DouglasK> on irc.geekshed.net, there's #Chris which is a good general geek chat.  No link posting allowed just fyi.
[17:33] <kardbored> hmm...
[17:34] <kardbored> i guess i need to first learn the basics of irc
[17:34] <kardbored> command and such
[17:34] <kardbored> i have a guide up. i'll get reading
[17:34] <BluesKaj> this is kubuntu support kardbored , if you need help with kubuntu , this is the place
[17:35] <DouglasK> kardbored: they'd help there too I'm sure.  Mainly you need /connect /join /part /me.
[18:15] <zzillezz> hello, is there any reason why certain fonts look bigger (eg. firefox) than the rest of my kde system ? i chose a smaller font in 'configure my computer > application appearance'
[18:18] <drostie> zzillezz: gtk applications like Firefox don't obey the same parameters as the Qt apps, I think.
[18:19] <BluesKaj> zzillezz, you can set your fonts in firefox>edit>preferences>content
[18:19] <zzillezz> drostie: not on my system :(
[18:19] <zzillezz> ok, i'll have a look BluesKaj
[18:20] <roney> zzillezz: There's any entry in System Settings > Appearance for gtk apps.
[18:22] <NJL> as of the last firefox update my context menu is no longer contextual.  I shows every item all the time.  Is this a known issue?
[18:23] <BluesKaj> drostie, zzillezzif you make the gtk font settings in system settings the same as the system fonts , it should work afaik
[18:24] <drostie> BluesKaj: There's something in general missing for GTK though. Like, the GTK application associations seem to be totally different from the Qt ones. It's why I am very reluctant to have Wine on my KDE computer; the package management system installs Wine Notepad as a default viewer for all sorts of stuff and then every once in a while Firefox opens something in Wine Notepad. :x
[18:25] <drostie> I don't know what it is that's missing, but it just seems like some open desktop thing is not shared between the two, if that makes sense.
[18:27] <BluesKaj> well , FF here works with the gtk fonts and it could be because all fonts are the same in system settings, gtk and FF content
[18:27] <BluesKaj> drostie,^
[18:29] <zzillezz> hmm, when i change the fonts in the firefox settings, nothing seems to change .. even after restarting the browser
[18:29] <genii-around> Probably want qtcurve
[18:29] <genii-around> !info qtcurve
[18:30] <genii-around> And then you go to System Settings... Application Appearance.. GTK   and set it from there
[18:31] <zzillezz> i can't find the gtk option in application appearance ...
[18:31] <genii-around> zzillezz: You need the qtcurve stuff installed first
[18:32] <BluesKaj> zzillezz, which kubuntu version?
[18:32] <zzillezz> 13.04 beta 2
[18:33] <BluesKaj> it should show up in the options list on the left in systems settings >application appearance
[18:34] <genii-around> BluesKaj: But, only if you have qtcurve installed :)
[18:34] <BluesKaj> aha
[18:35] <zzillezz> thanks for the help, first put my daughter in bed and then try some more :) brb
[18:35] <BluesKaj> thinks that should be default
[18:43] <BluesKaj> genii-around, I don't have qtcurve installed
[18:43] <BluesKaj> just checked
[18:45] <genii-around> Interesting
[18:46] <genii-around> BluesKaj: I'm pretty sure there must be some qtcurve piece in there someplace.
[18:46] <yofel> no, you don't need qtcurve, that was just the old gtk theme
[18:46] <yofel> !info kde-config-gtk-style raring
[18:48] <BluesKaj> I checked in synaptic , no qtcurve , but i set my gtk themes to oxygengtk , and the system theme is oxygen, ge
[18:48] <BluesKaj> genii-around,^
[18:48] <genii-around> Ah
[18:49] <renano> ciao
[18:49]  * genii-around slides yofel a beautifully prepared coffee
[18:49]  * yofel sips
[18:49] <yofel> mhm..... thanks
[18:49] <genii-around> yofel: :)
[18:50] <BluesKaj> qtcurve is too flat looking
[18:51] <BluesKaj> likes simple themes but with some depth
[18:58] <yahyaa> would anyone happen to know of a good image scanning utility for kubuntu?
[18:59] <bazhang> simplescan?
[18:59] <bazhang> or perhaps xsane
[19:00] <yahyaa> ok I have simplescan but it keeps telling me it cannot detect a scanner!
[19:00] <bazhang> which scanner
[19:00] <genii-around> !info kooka
[19:00] <yahyaa> I have HP Officejet 6600
[19:00] <genii-around> Hm
[19:01] <yahyaa> it's a all in one
[19:01] <yahyaa> the printer works just fine
[19:01] <bazhang> let me check the forums
[19:01] <bazhang> just a moment
[19:01] <yahyaa> ok
[19:01] <genii-around> yahyaa: Does command:  scanimage -L      show it listed?
[19:04] <yahyaa> 1 moment...
[19:05] <yahyaa> it says no scanners were identified
[19:05] <bazhang> http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/officejet/officejet_6600.html  yahyaa
[19:05] <yahyaa> I am connected to the printer wirelessly
[19:05] <bazhang> apparently the ubuntu version of hplip is not sufficient
[19:05] <genii-around> yahyaa: So right now, if it won't see it on that level, no other graphical scanning program that sist on top of that will work either
[19:08] <bazhang> yahyaa, is hplip installed?
[19:09] <yahyaa> how do I find that out
[19:10] <genii-around> apt-cache policy hplip
[19:10] <Unit193> dpkg -l | grep hplip  is easier for me.
[19:11] <bazhang> yahyaa, is this 12.10?
[19:11] <bazhang> !info hplip
[19:12] <bazhang> the 12.10 version is what is needed, if not see the link above
[19:12] <yahyaa> yes
[19:12] <bazhang> so install it
[19:15] <genii-around> You might also want to install libsane-extras     ... it has extra backend drivers
[19:18] <yahyaa> this is what I got
[19:18] <yahyaa> hplip:
[19:18] <yahyaa>   Installed: 3.12.6-3ubuntu4
[19:18] <yahyaa>   Candidate: 3.12.6-3ubuntu4
[19:18] <yahyaa>   Version table:
[19:18] <yahyaa>  *** 3.12.6-3ubuntu4 0
[19:18] <yahyaa>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal/main amd64 Packages
[19:18] <FloodBotK1> yahyaa: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:18] <yahyaa> oops sorry
[19:20] <zzillezz> hmm can't install firefox or chromium in kubuntu 13.04b2 ?
[19:21] <zzillezz> it launches the muon firefox installer and installs fine, but i can't find firefox in the menu ?
[19:22] <genii-around> You probably want package kubuntu-firefox-installer
[19:35] <Guest91063> KDE or Ubuntu bug? Date/Time settings, time zone reverts to UTC. Have to use CLI to correct time zone.
[19:36] <Guest91063> That is, GUI time zone setting
[19:38] <lordievader> Guest91063: If it is only the GUI I'd say KDE, though I'm not entirely sure. You could poke around in #kubuntu-devel, they know what to do.
[20:00] <Guest91063> lordievader: thanks
[20:26] <ArthurGordon> hi there. i've troubles while using my ipod in combination with amarok. i can't transfer/delete files to/from the ipod, because as the ipod is plugged in, it seems to be mounted by root. can anybody give me a hint to solve that problem?
[20:30] <ArthurGordon> here's a line of the amarok log:
[20:30] <ArthurGordon> "Access denied to /tmp/ipod0mkGGr/iPod_Control/Music/F10/libgpod584316.mp3."
[20:30] <ArthurGordon> ls -al of that returns:
[20:30] <ArthurGordon> -> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root
[20:30] <FloodBotK1> ArthurGordon: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:33] <genii-around> ArthurGordon: What is the result of just: mount ...the line where the ipod is mounted there under tmp that is
[20:34] <ArthurGordon> the strage thing is, that mount doesn't retunr anything about that, but in /proc/mounts there is this:
[20:34] <ArthurGordon> /dev/sdc2 /tmp/ipody8r1ie vfat rw,relatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro 0 0
[20:42] <genii-around> ArthurGordon: I think it should probably be mounting with different options, but unfortunately I'm not all that familiar with ipods :(
[20:43] <genii-around> A glance at http://amarok.community.kde.org/Media_Device:IPod  indicates there are many variables depending on their firmware versions for instance
[20:43] <ArthurGordon> i don't  mount it by myself. ipod is mounted automatically by amarok or by kde
[20:46]  * genii-around slides Mamarok a coffee
[20:47] <genii-around> ArthurGordon: She is pretty much the local authority but I'm not sure she's currently awake/active
[20:48] <ArthurGordon> i know her nad i already quoted my problem at #amarok, but they send me here, because it seems to be an problem with the mounting if the ipod