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pittiGood morning06:30
seb128hey desktopers07:28
pittibonjour seb128, ça va ?07:33
seb128pitti, salut, oui, très bien, et toi ?07:33
pittiseb128: moi aussi ! j'aime le soleil !07:33
seb128on a pas de soleil ici aujourd'hui :-(07:34
seb128back to grey and cloudy for the next 3 days at least (according to the forecast)07:34
seb128with some rains in the middle07:34
didrocks+1, pas de soleil ici :/07:34
dpmgood morning, if it helps, there's no sun in here, either :)07:42
dpmI've made some progress with my laptop. I could now get it to boot, load the nvidia drivers and log into a session. the only remaining thing is the dash and panel: they just won't load, and I end up with a dash-less session when I log in. I tried to run unity-panel-service manually and here's what I got, any ideas? -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5691659/07:44
dpmthe dash and all works well if I log into a guest session07:45
dpmit's just when I log in as my user that the dash won't load07:45
seb128dpm, try moving .compiz .compiz-1 .config/compiz-1 away07:50
seb128dpm, could you also pastebin your .xsession-errors?07:50
seb128dpm, good morning btw ;-)07:50
dpmseb128, morning :-) I did move them away last night, but didn't seem to make a difference. Let me try again. In any case, here's .xsession-errors -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5691678/07:52
seb128dpm, unity is not in your plugins list07:53
seb128dpm, do you have ccsm installed?07:54
dpmah, weird. No, I stay well away from ccsm, I've not installed it07:54
seb128dpm, try to07:56
seb128gsettings reset org.compiz.core:/org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/ active-plugins07:56
dpmseb128, do I need to install ccsm for that, or can I just run the command?07:56
seb128run the command07:56
seb128ccsm was to avoid having to figure out the command :p07:57
dpmit tells me the org.compiz.core schema does not exist (could this have something to do with me moving the .compiz folder away?)07:58
seb128dpm, dpkg -l | grep compiz-gnome07:59
seb128dpm, no, it doesn't07:59
dpmseb128, it seems to be installed:08:00
dpmii  compiz-gnome                                                         1:0.9.9~daily13.04.05-0ubuntu1             amd64        OpenGL window and compositing manager - GNOME window decorator08:00
seb128dpm, ls -l /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/org.compiz.core.gschema.xml08:01
seb128dpm, if it's there, try to "sudo glib-compile-schemas  /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/"08:01
seb128dpm, I'm starting wondering if your box is not broken enough that you should reinstall it rather trying to chase issues08:02
dpmseb128, the schema is there, but glib-compile-schemas did not seem to do anything (returned no output and the gsettings command still complains). Yeah, I've thought of that too, but it seems I'm so close now :)08:04
seb128dpm, shrug, install ccsm, run it, go to unity, try enabling the plugin there ;-)08:06
dpmok, will try that, thanks a lot seb128!08:06
seb128dpm, yw08:06
seb128dpm, do you know what happened to the box? do you have a broken disk?08:06
seb128pitti, so back to update-notifier, you would basically look if "fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock /var/run/unattended-upgrades.lock" returns 0?08:08
pittiseb128: ah, does the exit status is computed with "or"?08:09
seb128pitti, from my tries, as soon any of the listed files has a lock it returns 108:09
Laneyhey ho08:09
pittiseb128: oh, one needs to check for existance first08:09
pittiseb128: if I run this on my box, it fails with 1, as /var/run/unattended-upgrades.lock doesn't exist08:10
dpmseb128, so the machine had not been able to reboot or restart for a while (it just dropped to single user mode in the terminal). When I turned it off yesterday, I did it with the power button without disc sync, and I guess that's where it all started: it could first not load the nvidia driver and could not read the /boot partition. So I took it out, mounted it from my desktop, ran fsck, reinstalled the kernel, and the nvidia driver. That worked (I can08:10
dpm even now reboot properly \o/, but then the Unity issue kicked in08:10
pittiseb128: also, /var/run -> /run, while we are at it08:10
seb128pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5691709/08:10
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seb128pitti, the 3 logs are08:11
seb128- nothing happening08:11
seb128- update-manager starting and doing the "index update"08:11
pittiseb128: otherwise this sounds right to me08:11
seb128- update-manager installing upgrades08:11
seb128Laney, hey, how are you?08:11
pittihey Laney, welcome back08:12
Laneynot bad thanks!08:12
Laneythanks pitti, how's it going?08:12
pittiLaney: quite well indeed, thanks!08:12
seb128dpm, it seems like you got some disk corruption, can be fun to track what is buggy and where due to it08:13
seb128dpm, if the issue is with your user, maybe create a new one and move datas over08:13
pittiseb128: so we can put that, and some [ -e ] tests into a simple shell script, and add something like /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/com.ubuntu.update-notifier.policy to run it through pkexec without a password08:14
dpmseb128, yeah, after seeing the guest session works, I thought of that. I had the hope that fixing the current one would be easier and save me moving over all my data, but I'm starting to think otherwise :)08:14
pittiseb128: actually, with "yes" instead of "auth_admin", of course08:14
seb128pitti, sounds good ... do you want to do it or should I have a look?08:14
seb128or we might try to find a volunteer08:15
* seb128 looks at Laney :p08:15
pittiseb128: I can do it08:15
seb128pitti, danke08:15
* seb128 needs to work on system settings plans08:15
pittiseb128: that was in update-notifier, right?08:15
seb128pitti, yes, src/update.c in dpkg_lock_is_taken()08:16
pittiseb128: I'd like to add a bug task for this; is there an existing bug for the u-s-s -> systemd-services migration?08:16
pitti(or at least refer to it in the changelog, for release team review)08:17
seb128pitti, in fact we could even drop that check I think, update-manager does display "lock taken, waiting for it to be released" nowadays if you start it with a lock...08:17
seb128pitti, #115356708:18
pittiseb128: still, as it just pops up automatically these days that looks bad08:18
pittiseb128: merci08:18
seb128pitti, de rien08:18
dpmpitti, do you know what the best way to do a file system check on an encrypted system is? If I mark the system to do a check on reboot, will it do the right thing? I.e. unlock the partition first and do the file check?08:21
pittidpm: udisksctl unlock, then run sudo fsck on /dev/mapper/ubuntu-root08:22
pittidpm: you can do all this in gnome disks, too08:22
dpmpitti, ah, let me try that, thanks. Also, the issue I had yesterday whereby nautilus cannot mount the encrypted partition and it has to be mounted on the command line: what's the best package to file a bug against?08:24
* pitti OTP, bbl08:24
seb128dpm, try udisks2 for the bug, pitti will reassign if ndeed08:27
pittidpm: ^ with some screenshots, preferably08:31
dpmseb128, pitti, thanks, will do. fyi, gnome disks (at least the quantal version from my desktop machine) could check or mount the encrypted partition: it gave me this error http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5691746/08:32
dpmsorry, I meant could *not*08:32
Laneyhmm, nvidia-310 not building with the new kernel08:45
pittidpm: hm, that does look like an udisks bug; but in raring we use udisks2, it might behave differently there09:18
dpmpitti, ok, gotcha, will try again when I upgrade my desktop machine too09:19
zzecoolseb128: are you here man ??09:46
seb128zzecool, hi09:46
zzecoolif you have some time i want to report you a prob09:46
zzecoolyou use to help a lot in the past09:46
zzecooli just upgrade to raring and im getting a strange problem everything is fine  with unity but i cant get a wallpaper . My wallpaper is a mess o corrupted images from windows i open and close  like ghosts.  no mateer if i try to change it to something else it doesnt work09:48
seb128zzecool, do you use nautilus to render your desktop background?09:49
seb128zzecool, what version of nautilus do you use?09:49
seb128zzecool, gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons09:49
zzecoolone sec09:49
zzecoolit returns : true09:50
zzecoolim using the nautiolous form the gnome3 ppa09:50
seb128that's why09:50
zzecoollet me check the version09:50
seb128broken ppa09:50
seb128or broken GNOME 3.809:50
zzecoolthank you seb128  you are the man that have the right answers always09:50
zzecoolill downgrade09:50
seb128zzecool, gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.background active true09:51
seb128should workaround it09:51
zzecoollet me check09:51
zzecoolwith a restart or without one ?09:51
zzecooli just did it and nothing changed09:51
seb128you might need to restart gnome-settings-daemon (or your session)09:52
pittiseb128: top 3 changes in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-notifier/ubuntu/changes, if you have a minute for eyeballing10:07
pittiseb128: I tested it for both cases (no apt active, and apt-get update running while starting u-n)10:08
zzecoolseb128:  thank you friend  the workaround didnt work but a ppa purge did the job just fine  =)10:15
zzecoolyou saved my day10:15
seb128pitti, looking10:16
seb128zzecool, yw10:16
seb128pitti, works fine for me10:23
pittiseb128: merci10:31
seb128pitti, merci à toi !10:31
pittiseb128: uploaded10:34
seb128pitti, \o/10:34
davmor2morning seb128 today there was an RB update but I still see no artwork was that meant to fix it do you know?10:59
seb128davmor2, hey, not supposed to be fixed, that was just a build fix upload11:01
davmor2seb128: phew :)11:02
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xnoxAm I correct to assume that bug 991637 will be fixed released in q/p with the next round of SRUs?11:27
ubot2Launchpad bug 991637 in OEM Priority Project precise "unity launcher vanishes when switching to mirrored displays" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99163711:27
didrocksxnox: right, I generally do that as part of my patch pilot shift11:28
seb128xnox, is the question "do I need to sponsor the fixes"?11:28
didrocksor whenever I'm getting the time11:28
didrocksxnox: if you feel confident, I can send you the full doc :)11:28
didrocks(with autopilot tests running, and what's ready for P)11:29
xnoxdidrocks: no, thanks =))))11:29
xnoxseb128: somebody cherrypicked that and proposed merging into quantal packaging branch, which as far as I am aware is not the right way to do unity stable SRUs.11:29
didrocksxnox: yeah, we need a document with autopilot running and so on11:30
xnoxdidrocks: ack. that's what I thought =)11:30
didrocksom26er: we already discussed it btw ^11:31
om26erxnox, didrocks autopilot tests ran fine for those branches11:32
om26erno regression. still have to do manual testing11:32
didrocksom26er: do you have the doc with the tests results for autopilot and manual testing?11:32
didrocksok, no manual testing, so don't propose the branch before having everything set please :)11:32
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Sweetsharkwow. just wow: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62764. I thought we are not living in the '90ies anymore ...13:17
ubot2Freedesktop bug 62764 in Libreoffice "Liberation fonts causing Windows 7 SP1 to BSOD" [Normal,Unconfirmed]13:18
ogra_just installl lubuntu and you are back ... its like a timewarp ;)13:18
Sweetsharkogra_: cant I crash the kernel by installing a font on lubuntu? if not, let Microsoft handle it -- they have more experience with the 90ies experience.13:19
davmor2Sweetshark: were not, but that is a bug in MS :)13:21
SweetsharkI guess we have to amend the "LibreOffice -- based on technology breaking your toolchain since 1985" to also cover kernels. after all windows isnt the first instance of this, *cough* bug 745836 *cough* (although that 'only' crashed the userspace process)13:25
ubot2Launchpad bug 745836 in linux (Ubuntu Natty) "encrypted swap corrupts application stack/heap [was: soffice.bin SIGSEGV cppu::throwException()]" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74583613:25
seb128Laney, do you have any opinion on updating to the current rb release which just went out?13:27
seb128Laney, our current version is 2.98 with a stack of backports for gstreamer1.0 but it seems to have quite some issues and I'm wondering if we would not be better off with update13:28
seb128Laney, it's a bit late for an update with a big diff like that though...13:28
bdrungSweetshark: libreoffice-common doesn't suggest libreoffice-style-human any more. was that intentional?13:48
Sweetsharkbdrung: oh, missed that one. no -- that was not intentional. lemme check how that happened ...13:50
bdrungSweetshark: btw, the "Breaks: libreoffice-emailmerge (<< 1:4.0.2~rc1)" should be added to the Debian experimental branch, too13:53
bdrungSweetshark: "for LibreOffice" -> "for the LibreOffice" to reduce the diff completely. :)13:54
Laneyseb128: no real opinion there, shall we package it up and get people to try it for a couple of days?13:57
bdrungSweetshark: you may want to run wrap-and-sort in the experimental branch (wrap-and-sort  -d . -v && for i in control*; do echo >> $i; done)13:57
seb128Laney, it's an idea, I was looking a bit at the git logs but there are some ui changes in the middle13:59
seb128Laney, I'm also not sure how different is the gstreamer1 code you backported compared to what landed in trunk; they didn't do so many fixes after landing it14:00
Laneymine was basically a git diff of the gstreamer branch over the release14:00
Laneyare there problems related to that stuff?14:00
seb128I don't know, I had a couple of times where doing "next track" in the indicator let me with 2 songs playing at the same time14:01
seb128but I've no idea if that's gstreamer, rb, fixed in trunk14:01
Nafalloseb128: hey. who's the best person to discuss a gstreamer module for raring? :-)14:11
seb128Nafallo, gstreamer upstream? release team? us?14:12
ogra_Nafallo, glazor and probably Laney14:12
seb128depends if that's a feature, a new package, a bug ...14:12
ogra_and what seb said :)14:12
Nafallopatch for converting from 0.10 to 1.0 exists, but Debian is blocking on the patch not being upstreamed. would be nice to have in raring ;-)14:12
seb128ogra_, slomo you mean rather than glatzor?14:12
ogra_heh, yeah. the names are so close ... so easy to mix them up :P14:13
seb128Nafallo, what source?14:13
Nafalloseb128: crystalhd, in universe14:13
Laneywhat do you mean by not upstreamed? is it at least forwarded?14:13
NafalloLaney: it is.14:14
Nafallolet me find the specifics.14:14
ubot2Debian bug 702372 in gstreamer0.10-crystalhd "Please build against gstreamer 1.0" [Wishlist,Open]14:15
Nafallothose two would be the more relevant ones I believe :-)14:15
Laneyyou've been testing it?14:16
Laneyshould be fine - please file the FFe14:16
NafalloI'm still waiting for my card I'm afraid :-)14:16
Nafallohopefully it will arrive before I'm moving countries on Friday morning ;-)14:17
Nafallobug 116681614:26
ubot2Launchpad bug 1166816 in crystalhd (Ubuntu) "[FFe] GStreamer 1.0 module should be in Ubuntu 13.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116681614:26
Nafallodo I need to do anything else? :-)14:26
LaneyExplaining why it's required would be nice ;-)14:27
Laneyhave you checked the patch at least builds on ubuntu?14:28
NafalloI don't have any dev environment set up or anything :-/14:28
NafalloI can try and get something going, but it's not likely to be this week.14:29
Nafallowhen would the cut-off be?14:29
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Laneyah no worries, I'll try it14:29
Nafallothanks muchly :-)14:30
Nafallohopefully I can back in the building packages game at some point soon, but right now it's new job and moving back to Sweden that's high on the agenda ;-)14:31
Nafallohopefully I'll have a card in my netbook by Thursday and I'll be more than happy to try things out after that :-)14:32
NafalloI went for BCM97001514:32
Nafallofrom what I've read I should be able to get 1080p running smooth in flash at least ;-)14:32
Nafallobut I won't install gstreamer 0.10 just for that :-P14:33
Nafallothanks much Laney :-)14:33
NafalloLaney: anything I can do, just give me a poke :-)14:33
seb128jbicha, hey14:41
seb128jbicha, did you do your rhythmbox build fix (thanks) in the vcs and forgot to push or did you forgot the vcs?14:41
jbichaseb128: I forgot the vcs, let me push...14:53
seb128jbicha, thanks14:53
Laneywhen's the meeting? 30 mins?14:58
kenvandineis the meeting in 30m or an hour and 30?14:58
kenvandineLaney, haha14:58
kenvandineit dropped off my calendar...14:58
LaneyI have it in 30 on there but I want to make sure it's right ...14:58
Laneygoogle calendar usually is with such things though14:59
kenvandineoh... on the calendar the meeting got moved to wednesday!15:02
kenvandineon the ubuntu-engineering calendar15:02
kenvandinebut that has it in 2 1/2 hours from now15:02
kenvandineand tomorrow15:02
seb128it's today in 30min15:03
* Laney has no idea what that calendar is :P15:03
Nafalloseb128: wb15:05
Sweetsharkbdrung: remaining issues fixed on p.c.c and alioth ...15:05
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ogra_The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:15:15
ogra_  gwibber-service gwibber-service-facebook gwibber-service-identica gwibber-service-twitter libgconf2-4 libgtkspell-3-0 libgwibber-gtk3 libgwibber3 python3-pycurl unity-lens-gwibber15:15
ogra_thats pretty funny15:15
ogra_i just did a dist-upgrade that actually insisted to install all these packages15:15
ogra_(well, not gconf and gtkspell, but all the gwibber stuff)15:16
seb128libgconf2-4 not longer required is good ;-)15:16
mitya57ogra_: bug 1156979?15:17
ubot2Launchpad bug 1156979 in unity-lens-friends (Ubuntu) "[FFe] replace gwibber-service with Friends" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115697915:17
ogra_mitya57, that doesnt really explain why it installed it though :)15:18
ogra_(gwibber wasnt installed here ... the dist-upgrade pulled it in ... and then told me i can autoremove the packages)15:19
mitya57strange, yeah15:19
ogra_anyway ... lets reboot and see how my upgrade went :)15:19
mitya57also, libgconf2-4 != libgconf-2-4 :)15:19
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ogra_hmm, sad, unity still uses SW rendering on my chromebook15:25
seb128Sweetshark, qengho, didrocks, Laney, kenvandine, mlankhorst, mterry, robru, tkamppeter, attente: hey, it's meeting time15:29
seb128how is everyone doing?15:30
mterryOh goodness, so soon.  Darn daylight savings15:31
robrugood morning15:31
seb128mterry, hey, we will discuss meeting time at the end15:31
seb128let's get started15:31
seb128Sweetshark, hey15:31
* Sweetshark is polishing 4.0.2-0ubuntu1 for raring and began looking into improving upstream tinderboxing. Thats all.15:31
seb128Sweetshark, thanks15:33
seb128qengho, hey15:33
qengho- Testing chromium-browser on specialty hardware. Working on SIGBUS stack-smashing bug.15:33
qengho- Preparing c-b 26.0.1410.43 security update. Delayed after webapps bug and ARM FTBFS.15:33
seb128qengho, thanks15:33
seb128didrocks, hey15:33
didrocks* Mostly daily releases work, helping and ensuring everything is working15:33
didrocks* Help factorizing having only on autopilot (configurable) job15:33
didrocks* Some bug fixes15:33
didrocks* Planning on the R+1/R release transtions15:33
didrocks* Touch apps discussions15:33
seb128didrocks, thanks15:34
Sweetsharkwhops, addendum: Fixed liblangtag ftbfs on ARM.15:34
seb128Sweetshark, ;-)15:34
seb128Laney, hey, welcome back ;-)15:34
LaneyShort week due to two weeks holidaying in the peak district (impressive snow drifts). Uploaded the remainder of gstreamer 1.0.6. DMB stuff. Working on porting indicator-session to logind; mostly working but still some bugs to shake out before pushing it out. Some release work (queue / FFe reviews). Will now start looking at RB 2.99 for testing in the desktop PPA unless seb128 is doing that.15:34
seb128Laney, rb 2.99: quite some changes there (like they refactored menus to use gmenumodel, changed structured, changed some UI) ... we might just wait for next cycle15:35
Laneyyeah - I don't know how bad these bugs are15:36
seb128Laney, well if you want to get the new version if the ppa that's not wasted work, it will be for s if not for raring15:36
Laneyspotify by default? *ahem*15:36
seb128I looked at launchpad, not so many bugs reported against rb in raring15:36
* Laney nods15:36
seb128but well, it's devel cycle, not sure how many people are testing it either15:36
jbichaLaney: we already have RB 2.99 in the GNOME3 staging PPA, I don't think we want it for raring15:36
Laneyah nice15:36
seb128jbicha, having issues with it?15:37
seb128seems like a settled question in any case15:37
seb128Laney, thanks15:37
seb128kenvandine, hey15:37
jbichaI reported a few problems to https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=product%3A%22rhythmbox%2215:38
kenvandine* More work on signon-ui and which WebKit to use for touch images, check the webcredentials section on the meeting wiki page for details15:38
kenvandine* Prepared share-app for daily-build-next15:38
kenvandine* Landed friends-app and renamed gwibber source to friends-app15:38
kenvandine /EOF15:38
seb128jbicha, ok, thanks (I don't think your own custom search will work for others ;-)15:38
seb128kenvandine, thanks15:39
jbichawell just sort by ID and see the most recent several bugs15:39
seb128cyphermox, hey (forgot you in the ping list, sorry, always has to be someone :p)15:39
seb128jbicha, ok15:39
seb128no cyphermox? moving on15:40
seb128mlankhorst, hey15:40
seb128ok, no luck there either15:42
seb128mterry, hey15:42
mterry- Good progress on Desktop-greeter-in-Qml work; functional, but not fully functional15:42
mterry- A little bit of work on the phablet greeter, getting it to work with LightDM15:42
mterry- A lot of wrangling with daily-release for the phablet stack (I've been blocking myself on getting lower elements of the stack in, but I think I'm just going to one-off push lower packages rather than wait)15:42
seb128mterry, thanks (do you want people to play with the qml greeter/test it?)15:43
desrtseb128: hi from the lounge :)15:43
seb128desrt, hey ;-)15:43
mterryseb128, naw15:43
mterryseb128, not yet15:43
mterryseb128, though it is in ppa:mterry/ppa15:44
mterryseb128, as qml-phone-greeter, but it's not really ready for mass use15:44
seb128mterry, thanks15:44
seb128robru, hey15:44
robru(this goes back two weeks since I missed last week's meeting)15:44
robru* stop putting html in notifications, that's unsupported15:44
robru* truncate long messages in friends-app display, detruncating when clicked on.15:44
robru* extract our db schema into a CSV that can be parsed externally. now it is not hard-coded in two different places.15:44
robru* fix up consistency of link display in friends-app15:44
robru* ensure that db values get updated correctly when liking/unliking15:44
robru* forward-ported spacebar-scrolling patch which was user-submitted but allowed to bitrot to an embarrassing degree, twice.15:44
robru* urlencode URLs properly when sending them for shortening. allows URLs containing + sign to get shortened15:44
robru* workaround for old avatars getting lost into the ether forever15:44
robru* fixed up all of flickr, which was mysteriously very broken15:44
robru* tons of work on friends/trunk-next, which will land in S cycle.15:44
robru  - dropped a bunch of ugly quantal-compatibility code15:44
robru  - streamlined hundreds of lines of boilerplate out of the urlshortening logic15:44
robru  - all kinds of exciting new features that I am eager to land15:44
didrocksrobru: nice work on the friends stuff! I guess your next weeks will be more focus on phablet components though, right? ;)15:45
seb128robru, sorry for the late email last week about DST15:45
robruseb128, no worries15:45
seb128kenvandine, robru: yeah, nice work on friends and getting the new stack in raring ;-)15:46
robruseb128, didrocks : thanks. I wish our users were as excited :-/15:46
kenvandinei've seen lots of excitement on g+ :)15:46
kenvandinewhich of course we can't view in friends15:46
robrukenvandine, yeah. lots of the recent bugs filed are quite negative about some features we've lost in the transition...15:47
seb128robru, kenvandine: I guess the phablet components are next on the landing list as didrocks pointed it, right? ;-)15:47
kenvandinei just did share-app :)15:47
robruseb128, didrocks : yes I intend to work more on the phablet stuff, but I am blocked on a lot of it15:47
seb128kenvandine, great15:47
seb128robru, what is blocking? libhybris?15:48
didrocksrobru: blocked how?15:48
didrocksrobru: like, see the hangouts, you can talk to the rest of the team or upstream ;)15:48
robrudidrocks, well i already sent you that email about how camera-app builds but won't run15:48
didrocksrobru: yeah, but you don't only have camera-app to bootstrap :)15:48
didrocksrobru: and pinging upstream about it, I think those kind of issues is fixable within a day or two15:49
kenvandinerobru has a pile of SRUs for quantal to do too :)15:49
robruI have like 30 SRUs. no joke15:49
didrockswell, if you have pushed for having daily release sooner, that would be automagic :p15:50
didrocks(still not btw)15:50
kenvandinerobru, did the bugs get filed for those yet?15:50
robrukenvandine, yeah, alex filed the bugs, I targetted them to quantal, but I'm still waiting for alex to push the release tarballs so that I can update the quantal-proposed branches15:50
didrocksrobru: if the SRUs are not security fixes, we should really target touch first15:50
didrockslike as told the other day, I think we should have everything ready and daily releasing by the end of next week15:51
didrocksso that sergio can build the image from the ppa15:51
cyphermoxI'm here ;)15:51
didrocks(as it's what jasoncwarner_ and rick agreed on)15:51
kenvandineat least a couple of them are related to the firefox update15:51
didrocksrobru: anyway, if you are blocked on anything that is not fixable, please do not hesitate to ping me15:52
didrocksthanks robru15:52
seb128robru, didrocks, kenvandine: thanks15:52
seb128tkamppeter, hey15:52
tkamppeter - The Linux Foundation (and so OpenPrinting) is accepted for the Google Summer of Code 2013. So students will help us to get printing working better.15:52
tkamppeter - cups-filters: Fixed several bugs to make the legacy CUPS broadcasting/browsing and BrowsePoll support in cups-browsed actually working, let postinst script overtake BrowsePoll and other configuration directives from cupsd.conf to cups-browsed.conf.15:52
tkamppeter - splix: Fixed bug which broke printing from iOS devices.15:52
tkamppeter - Tests done to help on getting a mobile broadband modem working: LP: #116402315:52
ubot2Launchpad bug 1164023 in modemmanager (Ubuntu) "modem-manager crashed with SIGSEGV in g_slice_alloc() - REGRESSION: No internet access via mobile broadband" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116402315:52
tkamppeter - Added section "Getting the data which would go to the printer", "Sending a file to the printer unfiltered", and "PostScript (PDF) printer chokes on the PostScript (PDF) coming from Ubuntu" to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems15:52
tkamppeter - I cannot join UDS May, they put it exactly in sync with OpenPrinting Summit (May 14-17).15:52
seb128tkamppeter, ok, no worry for UDS, we can schedule a google hangout session out of the UDS days if there is a topic we need to discuss15:53
bdrungSweetshark: spelling-error-in-changelog reenable re-enable15:53
seb128tkamppeter, thanks15:53
seb128attente, hey15:54
attenteseb128, hey15:55
seb128cyphermox, hey, (going back you next)15:55
attentecontinued work on indicator-keyboard, packaging and getting it into a ppa for initial testing15:55
seb128attente, do you want test from others or not yet?15:55
desrtattente: did you take a depend on the new GIcon API, and how do you intend to manage that from the PPA?15:56
attenteseb128, it's still pretty immature, but it's here if anyone wants to try it: https://launchpad.net/~attente/+archive/indicator-keyboard15:56
seb128attente, ok, thanks15:56
attentedesrt, it doesn't yet, i'm going to upload a new glib with your patches15:57
desrtattente: i remembered something that might have an impact on you15:57
desrtit's nice if you put GIcons into your menu and send them out over dbus...15:57
desrtbut you're also going to need a new gtk in order to turn those GIcons into icons on the menu on the other side (in the panel)15:57
seb128desrt, I see what you are doing there :p15:58
seb128desrt, I'm not backporting gtk 3.10 to raring! :p15:58
desrtseb128: i was going to recommend backporting the patches :p15:58
desrtand afaik, attente's work is not cleared to land in raring15:58
seb128no, it's "s" material15:59
desrtso we'll have new gtk there probably15:59
desrtelse, we backport15:59
desrtmeanwhile he'll need some way to manage it for the PPA15:59
desrtso i'll probably write this patch when i am on the plane15:59
seb128desrt, attente: thanks, let's try to get glib/gtk patches earlier in "s", having to rebase glib/gtk in a ppa is often a fail15:59
seb128like the menu stuff in the desktop ppa this cycle... (another one to land early in "s")15:59
seb128cyphermox, hey, back to you if you are there16:00
cyphermox- looks like we'll be able to finish hud/phablet preparing today, and merge into hud and enable daily release to a PPA.16:00
cyphermox- phablet-tools is also ready for daily release, just needs to be enabled16:00
cyphermox- I figured out how to make bluetooth work on the Nexus4, it's somewhat different than on the nexus7, and planning a way to make both work with somewhat the same methods so that it can be hooked up to UI.16:00
cyphermox- fixing some tests in NM with the help of pitti.16:00
cyphermox- about to upload more ModemManager fixes16:00
cyphermox- debugged an issue with / being busy at shutdown, I can now say it's not NM's fault but pinpointing it to the exact package is difficult, I'll file the bug this afternoon with the info I have now.16:00
cyphermoxhopefully it's not something that was just fixed...16:00
didrocks\o/ hud and lihud-qt ;)16:00
didrocksthanks cyphermox ;)16:00
cyphermoxyeah libhud-qt too ;)16:00
seb128cyphermox, bluetooth on the devices \o/16:01
desrtfor me (quickly since flight is boarding now): dealt with falling rocks wrt. glib interface changes and c++/c# bindings16:01
seb128cyphermox, thanks16:01
seb128desrt, you were next16:01
desrtdid a lot of pinging over account service maintainership stuff, and had a false-start on a patch that hopefully we don't need since new upstream maintainers are promising to be more-friendly16:01
seb128desrt, I just pushed the glib patches to the desktop ppa, will upload to raring tomorrow if everything is ok16:01
desrtdid a lot of final-details planning for the fd.o sprint16:01
desrtdid some changes to gmenu in the name of efficiency16:01
desrtand am now quite close to closing the story on gicon-in-gmenu16:02
desrtthat's about all16:02
desrtit wasn't the most productive week just because of all the pinging/organisational stuff16:02
seb128desrt, thanks, have a safe trip, talk to you on sane work hours in the next days ;-)16:02
desrtciao :)16:02
seb128so me16:03
* desrt will probably be on again in a few hours from EWR16:03
seb128- desktop updates and bug fixes for raring16:03
seb128- started looking a bit more into the plans for system settings and indicators for next cycles/ubuntu touch16:03
seb128- reviewed active blueprints, cleaned quite some workitems for the team, we are still behind trend but closer16:03
seb128- helped testing the new unity and tracking down failing tests to unblock raring landing16:03
seb128 16:03
seb128did I forgot anyone?16:03
seb128ok, not16:04
seb128Sweetshark, qengho, didrocks, Laney, kenvandine, mlankhorst, mterry, robru, tkamppeter, attente, desrt, cyphermox:  quick topic, meeting time16:04
seb128robru pointed that he would prefer staying on UTC time16:04
seb128e.g shifting one hour later16:04
kenvandinei would too16:04
seb128but that put us late for Europeans16:04
seb128it means finishing at 7:30pm16:05
mterry  yikes16:05
kenvandinei just prefer not accounting for DST, etc16:05
seb128or 7pm if we are quick16:05
kenvandinethat's too late16:05
qenghorobru: is what, UTC+30 or something?16:05
seb128kenvandine, you would prefer having the meeting later then?16:06
kenvandineno, just tracking some time that is UTC16:07
qenghoI don't want it to shift to 25 minutes in the future from now, FWIW, but it's not a strong opinion.16:07
seb128is anyone having a "too early" issue with the current time?16:07
robruis there no other time that works for everybody? I guess european morningtime is too late for north americans...16:07
kenvandinei'm ok with my local time of the meeting changes, just prefer to have 1 stable time to track it16:07
qenghoI'm all for ignoring DST, though.16:07
kenvandinenot me16:07
seb128qengho, kenvandine, robru, cyphermox, attente, desrt: ^ guess that's an U.S continent question16:08
robruI would rather have the meeting at local midnight than local 8Am ;-)16:08
cyphermoxcurrent time is best for me16:08
kenvandineyeah, google calendar can handle telling me when the meeting is if it is UTC time :)16:08
cyphermoxjust before lunch, basically16:08
mterryThis current time isn't too early for me16:08
didrockscurrent time is better for me as well16:08
Laneyme too16:08
kenvandinelater would be to hard on the .eu folks16:08
robrumaybe I'll just mail my summary in the night before ;-)16:09
kenvandinewhich there are many of16:09
tkamppeterI like to keep the current time, too 5:30pm in my local time is absolutely OK.16:09
seb128yeah, I would prefer avoiding conflicting with dinner time16:09
seb128and finishing at 7:30pm is a bit late, especially for those who start the day early16:09
seb128ok, let's stay on the current time then16:09
robruok, well if we can't shift the time, can we at least pin the time on current UTC? it will be more predictable that way16:09
seb128robru, feel free to join the eastern meeting if that works better for you16:09
Nafallosplit into one european and one american? :-)16:10
seb128though it's mostly Xorg oriented, you probably have more topic for that meeting16:10
seb128Sweetshark, qengho, didrocks, Laney, kenvandine, mlankhorst, mterry, robru, tkamppeter, attente, desrt, cyphermox:  anyone having an issue having the time set on UTC?16:10
robruseb128, I looked into that one once and it was like 3AM :_)16:10
kenvandinebetter for me16:10
seb128would be one hour earlier in the day in winter16:10
didrocksfine with me ;)16:10
chrisccoulsonyou could just move to a normal timezone :P16:10
seb128chrisccoulson, ;-)16:11
cyphermoxyeah it's fine16:11
kenvandinerobru, no... it is like 6:30 pm for me16:11
robruyou guys should all come visit me. you won't want to leave after ;-)16:11
kenvandineso mid afternoon for you16:11
seb128ok, thanks everyone16:11
qenghorobru: Maybe you can talk seb into pasting yours from the wiki page.16:11
seb128we stay on current time16:11
seb128and stick to UTC16:11
seb128(will be one hour earlier in the day next winter)16:11
seb128any other topic16:11
robruseb128, ok, so what is the official canonical meeting time? 1600UTC?16:11
seb12815h30 UTC16:12
didrocksseb128: see, only the French are right! :)16:12
kenvandineso 8:30 for you robru16:12
seb128didrocks, I was going to say16:12
qenghoMetric system superioirty16:12
seb128ok, that's a wrap then16:13
seb128thanks everyone16:13
didrocksrobru: hey, so you had questions on the email, mind having them here (or in a hangout if you prefer?)16:14
seb128oh, and please clean your workitems/postpone the ones you will not get to16:14
robrudidrocks, yeah, you said you were going to explain something about autolanding?16:14
Nafalloseb128: you ignored me :-(16:15
didrocksrobru: oh yeah, we can webbrowser-app together16:15
seb128Nafallo, splitting the meeting in european and american? yeah, was a good one to ignore ;-)16:15
mitya57attente: trying to build indicator-keyboard, I get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5692747/16:15
robruugh.... google calendar is very confused. it thinks this meeting is always 10:30 AM this week, and always 8:30 Am the following week (regardless of what week I am looking at)16:16
mitya57perhaps insufficient build-deps?16:16
didrocksrobru: prefer a hangout? I don't mind if you have your breakfast/tea at the same time as long as you are eating French bread of course :)16:16
attentemitya57, it requires a new ibus16:16
robrudidrocks, I am all out of french bread ;-)16:16
robrudidrocks, ok, do a hangout16:16
attentei have it in this ppa: https://launchpad.net/~attente/+archive/indicator-keyboard16:16
* Laney invites robru to his one :P16:17
mitya57attente: that's what I meant by "insufficient build-deps" :)16:17
mitya57thanks for working on it btw!16:17
attenteah, sorry16:17
didrocksrobru: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/d47fb833ed9891c4276980dd00dc9cb5a65f7582?authuser=0&hl=fr16:17
attenteyou're right16:17
Nafalloseb128: lol. meanie ;-)16:17
robrudidrocks, https://code.launchpad.net/~robru/webbrowser-app/bootstrap/+merge/15791116:38
didrocksrobru: https://launchpad.net/cupstream2distro-config16:39
NafalloLaney: oooh. quick work. cheers! :-)16:40
robrudidrocks, https://code.launchpad.net/~robru/cupstream2distro-config/webbrowser-app/+merge/15791716:54
cecyliaPlease someone to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sessioninstaller/+bug/104946717:38
ubot2Launchpad bug 1049467 in sessioninstaller (Ubuntu) "Multimedia codec installer says "Python", rather than the name of the process/application (e.g. Rhythmbox, Videos) that requested the codec." [High,Confirmed]17:38
mlankhorstoh back17:39
robrudidrocks, bah, purging all those PPAs made me lose libhud-qt-qml, so I can't run camera-app anymore. but I guess tomorrow I will be able to continue pursuing this with a more pristine installation ;-)17:49
didrocksrobru: yeah, sounds like a better plan to me :)17:49
robrudidrocks, ok, I must grab some breakfast, then when I get back I have over 100 emails to read ;-)17:49
didrocksrobru: I hope with bread! ttyl ;)17:49
robru(I think they are all bug reports for friends ;-)17:49
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dobeyrobert_ancell: hey. is there any way to make lightdm use "extended display" mode instead of "mirror display" that doesn't involve making it run a script that runs xrandr stuff on startup?20:43
brycedobey, you mean like setting it in your xorg.conf?20:55
bryce(if so, the answer is yes!)20:55
dobeybryce: uhm, without creating an xorg.conf either?21:00
Sarvattdobey: org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xrandr default-monitors-setup theoretically, except they based the extend mode being default thing on a fedora only xserver patch :)21:04
robert_ancelldobey, in unity-greeter?21:05
dobeyrobert_ancell: yeah21:05
robert_ancelldobey, OK. LightDM isn't involve in the monitor layout so you either set the X default as bryce said or you configure it for the lightdm user (which is what the greeter runs as) as Sarvatt said21:06
ogra_except the except ...21:07
Sarvattit's only default to extend mode in fedora via http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/xorg-x11-server.git/tree/xserver-1.6.99-right-of.patch , xserver defaults to mirror for everyone else but the g-s-d option is based on the fedora changes21:08
dobeyand that change is in Ubuntu, because Fedora works so well with upstreams, right? right?21:10
ogra_hey, at least we can strike back with a Mir only patch  :P21:10
Sarvattdobey: we can pick it up next cycle, too late for raring so xorg.conf it is :(21:12
dobeySarvatt: i would much prefer "magic" and no config at all :)21:15
brycedobey, this just for your local system or for putting in the distro, or...?  (usecase time...)21:15
bryceif you're not entirely anti-config file solutions, you can also set a system level monitors.xml file21:16
dobeybryce: well, on my system, but useful for everyone i think. i currently have a temporary video card to get multi-head working, until my intel kernel bug gets fixed. so when i pull the current card to test intel, i don't want to end up with a broken config that i have to tweak just to test the system. so i really want to avoid any config that specifies which hardware/outputs are used21:18
ogra_funnily that problem doesnt arise if you use one of the proprietary drivers with their config gui tools ...21:18
brycemaybe at /etc/gnome-settings-daemon/xrandr/monitors.xml or some permutation21:19
brycedobey, yet another option is xorg.conf.d snippets.  but I think the system level monitors.xml is the style of magic you're looking for.  Just copy ~/.config/monitors.xml to the above path, reboot and see if it works.21:21
dobeybryce: hrmm, that might be halfway acceptable for now. looks like it does have the correct config for both GPUs21:24
brycedobey, as to making it work for everyone... making X do extended by default is not hard, however there's corner cases where that can leave the user with a bad experience (or worse), which is why it's mirrored.21:26
dobeywell, maybe Mir/Wayland will be able to handle that better21:29
dobeywill not be great for the whole "converged" experience if they can't21:29
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brycedobey, totally agreed.21:43
dobeyanyone know where /usr/share/unity-scopes/scope-runner-dbus.py comes from for the hundred scopes stuff?22:02
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