=== m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [06:30] Good morning [07:28] hey desktopers [07:33] bonjour seb128, ça va ? [07:33] pitti, salut, oui, très bien, et toi ? [07:33] seb128: moi aussi ! j'aime le soleil ! [07:34] on a pas de soleil ici aujourd'hui :-( [07:34] back to grey and cloudy for the next 3 days at least (according to the forecast) [07:34] with some rains in the middle [07:34] +1, pas de soleil ici :/ [07:42] good morning, if it helps, there's no sun in here, either :) [07:44] I've made some progress with my laptop. I could now get it to boot, load the nvidia drivers and log into a session. the only remaining thing is the dash and panel: they just won't load, and I end up with a dash-less session when I log in. I tried to run unity-panel-service manually and here's what I got, any ideas? -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5691659/ [07:45] the dash and all works well if I log into a guest session [07:45] it's just when I log in as my user that the dash won't load [07:50] dpm, try moving .compiz .compiz-1 .config/compiz-1 away [07:50] dpm, could you also pastebin your .xsession-errors? [07:50] dpm, good morning btw ;-) [07:52] seb128, morning :-) I did move them away last night, but didn't seem to make a difference. Let me try again. In any case, here's .xsession-errors -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5691678/ [07:53] dpm, unity is not in your plugins list [07:54] dpm, do you have ccsm installed? [07:54] ah, weird. No, I stay well away from ccsm, I've not installed it [07:56] dpm, try to [07:56] gsettings reset org.compiz.core:/org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/ active-plugins [07:56] seb128, do I need to install ccsm for that, or can I just run the command? [07:56] run the command [07:57] ok [07:57] ccsm was to avoid having to figure out the command :p [07:57] :-) [07:58] it tells me the org.compiz.core schema does not exist (could this have something to do with me moving the .compiz folder away?) [07:59] dpm, dpkg -l | grep compiz-gnome [07:59] dpm, no, it doesn't [08:00] seb128, it seems to be installed: [08:00] ii compiz-gnome 1:0.9.9~daily13.04.05-0ubuntu1 amd64 OpenGL window and compositing manager - GNOME window decorator [08:00] weird [08:01] dpm, ls -l /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/org.compiz.core.gschema.xml [08:01] dpm, if it's there, try to "sudo glib-compile-schemas /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/" [08:02] dpm, I'm starting wondering if your box is not broken enough that you should reinstall it rather trying to chase issues [08:04] seb128, the schema is there, but glib-compile-schemas did not seem to do anything (returned no output and the gsettings command still complains). Yeah, I've thought of that too, but it seems I'm so close now :) [08:06] dpm, shrug, install ccsm, run it, go to unity, try enabling the plugin there ;-) [08:06] ok, will try that, thanks a lot seb128! [08:06] dpm, yw [08:06] dpm, do you know what happened to the box? do you have a broken disk? [08:08] pitti, so back to update-notifier, you would basically look if "fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock /var/run/unattended-upgrades.lock" returns 0? [08:09] seb128: ah, does the exit status is computed with "or"? [08:09] pitti, from my tries, as soon any of the listed files has a lock it returns 1 [08:09] hey ho [08:09] ups [08:09] 0 [08:09] seb128: oh, one needs to check for existance first [08:10] seb128: if I run this on my box, it fails with 1, as /var/run/unattended-upgrades.lock doesn't exist [08:10] seb128, so the machine had not been able to reboot or restart for a while (it just dropped to single user mode in the terminal). When I turned it off yesterday, I did it with the power button without disc sync, and I guess that's where it all started: it could first not load the nvidia driver and could not read the /boot partition. So I took it out, mounted it from my desktop, ran fsck, reinstalled the kernel, and the nvidia driver. That worked (I can [08:10] even now reboot properly \o/, but then the Unity issue kicked in [08:10] seb128: also, /var/run -> /run, while we are at it [08:10] pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5691709/ === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [08:11] pitti, the 3 logs are [08:11] - nothing happening [08:11] - update-manager starting and doing the "index update" [08:11] seb128: otherwise this sounds right to me [08:11] - update-manager installing upgrades [08:11] Laney, hey, how are you? [08:12] hey Laney, welcome back [08:12] not bad thanks! [08:12] thanks pitti, how's it going? [08:12] Laney: quite well indeed, thanks! [08:12] woot [08:13] dpm, it seems like you got some disk corruption, can be fun to track what is buggy and where due to it [08:13] dpm, if the issue is with your user, maybe create a new one and move datas over [08:14] seb128: so we can put that, and some [ -e ] tests into a simple shell script, and add something like /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/com.ubuntu.update-notifier.policy to run it through pkexec without a password [08:14] seb128, yeah, after seeing the guest session works, I thought of that. I had the hope that fixing the current one would be easier and save me moving over all my data, but I'm starting to think otherwise :) [08:14] seb128: actually, with "yes" instead of "auth_admin", of course [08:14] pitti, sounds good ... do you want to do it or should I have a look? [08:15] or we might try to find a volunteer [08:15] * seb128 looks at Laney :p [08:15] seb128: I can do it [08:15] pitti, danke [08:15] * seb128 needs to work on system settings plans [08:15] seb128: that was in update-notifier, right? [08:16] pitti, yes, src/update.c in dpkg_lock_is_taken() [08:16] seb128: I'd like to add a bug task for this; is there an existing bug for the u-s-s -> systemd-services migration? [08:17] (or at least refer to it in the changelog, for release team review) [08:17] pitti, in fact we could even drop that check I think, update-manager does display "lock taken, waiting for it to be released" nowadays if you start it with a lock... [08:18] pitti, #1153567 [08:18] seb128: still, as it just pops up automatically these days that looks bad [08:18] seb128: merci [08:18] pitti, de rien [08:21] pitti, do you know what the best way to do a file system check on an encrypted system is? If I mark the system to do a check on reboot, will it do the right thing? I.e. unlock the partition first and do the file check? [08:22] dpm: udisksctl unlock, then run sudo fsck on /dev/mapper/ubuntu-root [08:22] dpm: you can do all this in gnome disks, too [08:24] pitti, ah, let me try that, thanks. Also, the issue I had yesterday whereby nautilus cannot mount the encrypted partition and it has to be mounted on the command line: what's the best package to file a bug against? [08:24] * pitti OTP, bbl [08:27] dpm, try udisks2 for the bug, pitti will reassign if ndeed [08:31] dpm: ^ with some screenshots, preferably [08:32] seb128, pitti, thanks, will do. fyi, gnome disks (at least the quantal version from my desktop machine) could check or mount the encrypted partition: it gave me this error http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5691746/ [08:32] sorry, I meant could *not* [08:45] hmm, nvidia-310 not building with the new kernel [09:18] dpm: hm, that does look like an udisks bug; but in raring we use udisks2, it might behave differently there [09:19] pitti, ok, gotcha, will try again when I upgrade my desktop machine too [09:46] seb128: are you here man ?? [09:46] zzecool, hi [09:46] :) [09:46] if you have some time i want to report you a prob [09:46] you use to help a lot in the past [09:48] i just upgrade to raring and im getting a strange problem everything is fine with unity but i cant get a wallpaper . My wallpaper is a mess o corrupted images from windows i open and close like ghosts. no mateer if i try to change it to something else it doesnt work [09:49] zzecool, do you use nautilus to render your desktop background? [09:49] zzecool, what version of nautilus do you use? [09:49] zzecool, gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons [09:49] one sec [09:50] it returns : true [09:50] im using the nautiolous form the gnome3 ppa [09:50] that's why [09:50] let me check the version [09:50] broken ppa [09:50] aaa [09:50] really? [09:50] or broken GNOME 3.8 [09:50] thank you seb128 you are the man that have the right answers always [09:50] :) [09:50] ill downgrade [09:50] :) [09:51] zzecool, gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.background active true [09:51] should workaround it [09:51] let me check [09:51] with a restart or without one ? [09:51] i just did it and nothing changed [09:52] you might need to restart gnome-settings-daemon (or your session) [10:07] seb128: top 3 changes in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-notifier/ubuntu/changes, if you have a minute for eyeballing [10:08] seb128: I tested it for both cases (no apt active, and apt-get update running while starting u-n) [10:15] seb128: thank you friend the workaround didnt work but a ppa purge did the job just fine =) [10:15] you saved my day [10:16] pitti, looking [10:16] zzecool, yw [10:23] pitti, works fine for me [10:31] seb128: merci [10:31] pitti, merci à toi ! [10:34] seb128: uploaded [10:34] pitti, \o/ [10:59] morning seb128 today there was an RB update but I still see no artwork was that meant to fix it do you know? [11:01] davmor2, hey, not supposed to be fixed, that was just a build fix upload [11:02] seb128: phew :) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch [11:27] Am I correct to assume that bug 991637 will be fixed released in q/p with the next round of SRUs? [11:27] Launchpad bug 991637 in OEM Priority Project precise "unity launcher vanishes when switching to mirrored displays" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/991637 [11:28] xnox: right, I generally do that as part of my patch pilot shift [11:28] xnox, is the question "do I need to sponsor the fixes"? [11:28] or whenever I'm getting the time [11:28] xnox: if you feel confident, I can send you the full doc :) [11:29] (with autopilot tests running, and what's ready for P) [11:29] didrocks: no, thanks =)))) [11:29] seb128: somebody cherrypicked that and proposed merging into quantal packaging branch, which as far as I am aware is not the right way to do unity stable SRUs. [11:30] xnox: yeah, we need a document with autopilot running and so on [11:30] didrocks: ack. that's what I thought =) [11:31] om26er: we already discussed it btw ^ [11:32] xnox, didrocks autopilot tests ran fine for those branches [11:32] no regression. still have to do manual testing [11:32] om26er: do you have the doc with the tests results for autopilot and manual testing? [11:32] ok, no manual testing, so don't propose the branch before having everything set please :) === dpm is now known as dpm-desktop === alan_g is now known as alan_g|ACCU === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === dednick is now known as dednick|lunch === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback === dednick|lunch is now known as dednick [13:17] wow. just wow: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62764. I thought we are not living in the '90ies anymore ... [13:18] Freedesktop bug 62764 in Libreoffice "Liberation fonts causing Windows 7 SP1 to BSOD" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [13:18] just installl lubuntu and you are back ... its like a timewarp ;) [13:19] ogra_: cant I crash the kernel by installing a font on lubuntu? if not, let Microsoft handle it -- they have more experience with the 90ies experience. [13:20] :) [13:21] Sweetshark: were not, but that is a bug in MS :) [13:21] s/were/we're [13:25] I guess we have to amend the "LibreOffice -- based on technology breaking your toolchain since 1985" to also cover kernels. after all windows isnt the first instance of this, *cough* bug 745836 *cough* (although that 'only' crashed the userspace process) [13:25] Launchpad bug 745836 in linux (Ubuntu Natty) "encrypted swap corrupts application stack/heap [was: soffice.bin SIGSEGV cppu::throwException()]" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745836 [13:27] Laney, do you have any opinion on updating to the current rb release which just went out? [13:28] Laney, our current version is 2.98 with a stack of backports for gstreamer1.0 but it seems to have quite some issues and I'm wondering if we would not be better off with update [13:28] Laney, it's a bit late for an update with a big diff like that though... [13:48] Sweetshark: libreoffice-common doesn't suggest libreoffice-style-human any more. was that intentional? [13:50] bdrung: oh, missed that one. no -- that was not intentional. lemme check how that happened ... [13:53] Sweetshark: btw, the "Breaks: libreoffice-emailmerge (<< 1:4.0.2~rc1)" should be added to the Debian experimental branch, too [13:54] Sweetshark: "for LibreOffice" -> "for the LibreOffice" to reduce the diff completely. :) [13:57] seb128: no real opinion there, shall we package it up and get people to try it for a couple of days? [13:57] Sweetshark: you may want to run wrap-and-sort in the experimental branch (wrap-and-sort -d . -v && for i in control*; do echo >> $i; done) [13:59] Laney, it's an idea, I was looking a bit at the git logs but there are some ui changes in the middle [14:00] Laney, I'm also not sure how different is the gstreamer1 code you backported compared to what landed in trunk; they didn't do so many fixes after landing it [14:00] mine was basically a git diff of the gstreamer branch over the release [14:00] are there problems related to that stuff? [14:01] I don't know, I had a couple of times where doing "next track" in the indicator let me with 2 songs playing at the same time [14:01] but I've no idea if that's gstreamer, rb, fixed in trunk [14:11] seb128: hey. who's the best person to discuss a gstreamer module for raring? :-) [14:12] Nafallo, gstreamer upstream? release team? us? [14:12] Nafallo, glazor and probably Laney [14:12] depends if that's a feature, a new package, a bug ... [14:12] and what seb said :) [14:12] patch for converting from 0.10 to 1.0 exists, but Debian is blocking on the patch not being upstreamed. would be nice to have in raring ;-) [14:12] ogra_, slomo you mean rather than glatzor? [14:12] oh [14:13] heh, yeah. the names are so close ... so easy to mix them up :P [14:13] Nafallo, what source? [14:13] seb128: crystalhd, in universe [14:13] what do you mean by not upstreamed? is it at least forwarded? [14:14] Laney: it is. [14:14] let me find the specifics. [14:14] http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg59561.html [14:15] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=702372 [14:15] Debian bug 702372 in gstreamer0.10-crystalhd "Please build against gstreamer 1.0" [Wishlist,Open] [14:15] those two would be the more relevant ones I believe :-) [14:16] you've been testing it? [14:16] should be fine - please file the FFe [14:16] I'm still waiting for my card I'm afraid :-) [14:17] hopefully it will arrive before I'm moving countries on Friday morning ;-) [14:26] bug 1166816 [14:26] Launchpad bug 1166816 in crystalhd (Ubuntu) "[FFe] GStreamer 1.0 module should be in Ubuntu 13.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1166816 [14:26] do I need to do anything else? :-) [14:27] Explaining why it's required would be nice ;-) [14:28] have you checked the patch at least builds on ubuntu? [14:28] I don't have any dev environment set up or anything :-/ [14:29] I can try and get something going, but it's not likely to be this week. [14:29] when would the cut-off be? === Sweetsha1k is now known as Sweetshark [14:29] ah no worries, I'll try it [14:30] thanks muchly :-) [14:31] hopefully I can back in the building packages game at some point soon, but right now it's new job and moving back to Sweden that's high on the agenda ;-) [14:32] hopefully I'll have a card in my netbook by Thursday and I'll be more than happy to try things out after that :-) [14:32] I went for BCM970015 [14:32] from what I've read I should be able to get 1080p running smooth in flash at least ;-) [14:33] but I won't install gstreamer 0.10 just for that :-P [14:33] thanks much Laney :-) [14:33] Laney: anything I can do, just give me a poke :-) [14:41] jbicha, hey [14:41] jbicha, did you do your rhythmbox build fix (thanks) in the vcs and forgot to push or did you forgot the vcs? [14:53] seb128: I forgot the vcs, let me push... [14:53] jbicha, thanks [14:54] done [14:58] when's the meeting? 30 mins? [14:58] is the meeting in 30m or an hour and 30? [14:58] Laney, haha [14:58] haha [14:58] it dropped off my calendar... [14:58] I have it in 30 on there but I want to make sure it's right ... [14:59] google calendar usually is with such things though [15:02] oh... on the calendar the meeting got moved to wednesday! [15:02] on the ubuntu-engineering calendar [15:02] but that has it in 2 1/2 hours from now [15:02] and tomorrow [15:03] it's today in 30min [15:03] brb [15:03] * Laney has no idea what that calendar is :P [15:03] :) [15:05] seb128: wb [15:05] bdrung: remaining issues fixed on p.c.c and alioth ... [15:05] re === didrocks1 is now known as didrocks [15:15] The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: [15:15] gwibber-service gwibber-service-facebook gwibber-service-identica gwibber-service-twitter libgconf2-4 libgtkspell-3-0 libgwibber-gtk3 libgwibber3 python3-pycurl unity-lens-gwibber [15:15] thats pretty funny [15:15] i just did a dist-upgrade that actually insisted to install all these packages [15:16] weird [15:16] (well, not gconf and gtkspell, but all the gwibber stuff) [15:16] libgconf2-4 not longer required is good ;-) [15:16] yeah [15:17] ogra_: bug 1156979? [15:17] Launchpad bug 1156979 in unity-lens-friends (Ubuntu) "[FFe] replace gwibber-service with Friends" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1156979 [15:18] mitya57, that doesnt really explain why it installed it though :) [15:19] (gwibber wasnt installed here ... the dist-upgrade pulled it in ... and then told me i can autoremove the packages) [15:19] strange, yeah [15:19] anyway ... lets reboot and see how my upgrade went :) [15:19] also, libgconf2-4 != libgconf-2-4 :) === jbicha_ is now known as jbicha [15:25] hmm, sad, unity still uses SW rendering on my chromebook [15:29] Sweetshark, qengho, didrocks, Laney, kenvandine, mlankhorst, mterry, robru, tkamppeter, attente: hey, it's meeting time [15:29] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2013-04-09 [15:29] yay! [15:30] o/ [15:30] hi [15:30] how is everyone doing? [15:30] hey [15:31] Oh goodness, so soon. Darn daylight savings [15:31] ello [15:31] good morning [15:31] mterry, hey, we will discuss meeting time at the end [15:31] let's get started [15:31] Sweetshark, hey [15:31] * Sweetshark is polishing 4.0.2-0ubuntu1 for raring and began looking into improving upstream tinderboxing. Thats all. [15:33] Sweetshark, thanks [15:33] qengho, hey [15:33] - Testing chromium-browser on specialty hardware. Working on SIGBUS stack-smashing bug. [15:33] - Preparing c-b 26.0.1410.43 security update. Delayed after webapps bug and ARM FTBFS. [15:33] EOF [15:33] qengho, thanks [15:33] didrocks, hey [15:33] hey! [15:33] * Mostly daily releases work, helping and ensuring everything is working [15:33] * Help factorizing having only on autopilot (configurable) job [15:33] * Some bug fixes [15:33] * Planning on the R+1/R release transtions [15:33] * Touch apps discussions [15:33] . [15:34] didrocks, thanks [15:34] whops, addendum: Fixed liblangtag ftbfs on ARM. [15:34] Sweetshark, ;-) [15:34] Laney, hey, welcome back ;-) [15:34] hello! [15:34] Short week due to two weeks holidaying in the peak district (impressive snow drifts). Uploaded the remainder of gstreamer 1.0.6. DMB stuff. Working on porting indicator-session to logind; mostly working but still some bugs to shake out before pushing it out. Some release work (queue / FFe reviews). Will now start looking at RB 2.99 for testing in the desktop PPA unless seb128 is doing that. [15:35] Laney, rb 2.99: quite some changes there (like they refactored menus to use gmenumodel, changed structured, changed some UI) ... we might just wait for next cycle [15:36] yeah - I don't know how bad these bugs are [15:36] Laney, well if you want to get the new version if the ppa that's not wasted work, it will be for s if not for raring [15:36] spotify by default? *ahem* [15:36] lol [15:36] I looked at launchpad, not so many bugs reported against rb in raring [15:36] * Laney nods [15:36] but well, it's devel cycle, not sure how many people are testing it either [15:36] Laney: we already have RB 2.99 in the GNOME3 staging PPA, I don't think we want it for raring [15:36] ah nice [15:37] jbicha, having issues with it? [15:37] seems like a settled question in any case [15:37] Laney, thanks [15:37] kenvandine, hey [15:38] cheers [15:38] I reported a few problems to https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=product%3A%22rhythmbox%22 [15:38] * More work on signon-ui and which WebKit to use for touch images, check the webcredentials section on the meeting wiki page for details [15:38] * Prepared share-app for daily-build-next [15:38] * Landed friends-app and renamed gwibber source to friends-app [15:38] /EOF [15:38] jbicha, ok, thanks (I don't think your own custom search will work for others ;-) [15:39] kenvandine, thanks [15:39] well just sort by ID and see the most recent several bugs [15:39] cyphermox, hey (forgot you in the ping list, sorry, always has to be someone :p) [15:39] jbicha, ok [15:40] no cyphermox? moving on [15:40] mlankhorst, hey [15:42] ok, no luck there either [15:42] mterry, hey [15:42] - Good progress on Desktop-greeter-in-Qml work; functional, but not fully functional [15:42] - A little bit of work on the phablet greeter, getting it to work with LightDM [15:42] - A lot of wrangling with daily-release for the phablet stack (I've been blocking myself on getting lower elements of the stack in, but I think I'm just going to one-off push lower packages rather than wait) [15:42] EOF [15:43] mterry, thanks (do you want people to play with the qml greeter/test it?) [15:43] seb128: hi from the lounge :) [15:43] desrt, hey ;-) [15:43] seb128, naw [15:43] seb128, not yet [15:44] seb128, though it is in ppa:mterry/ppa [15:44] seb128, as qml-phone-greeter, but it's not really ready for mass use [15:44] ok [15:44] mterry, thanks [15:44] robru, hey [15:44] hello [15:44] (this goes back two weeks since I missed last week's meeting) [15:44] * stop putting html in notifications, that's unsupported [15:44] * truncate long messages in friends-app display, detruncating when clicked on. [15:44] * extract our db schema into a CSV that can be parsed externally. now it is not hard-coded in two different places. [15:44] * fix up consistency of link display in friends-app [15:44] * ensure that db values get updated correctly when liking/unliking [15:44] * forward-ported spacebar-scrolling patch which was user-submitted but allowed to bitrot to an embarrassing degree, twice. [15:44] * urlencode URLs properly when sending them for shortening. allows URLs containing + sign to get shortened [15:44] * workaround for old avatars getting lost into the ether forever [15:44] * fixed up all of flickr, which was mysteriously very broken [15:44] * tons of work on friends/trunk-next, which will land in S cycle. [15:44] - dropped a bunch of ugly quantal-compatibility code [15:44] - streamlined hundreds of lines of boilerplate out of the urlshortening logic [15:44] - all kinds of exciting new features that I am eager to land [15:45] robru: nice work on the friends stuff! I guess your next weeks will be more focus on phablet components though, right? ;) [15:45] robru, sorry for the late email last week about DST [15:45] seb128, no worries [15:46] kenvandine, robru: yeah, nice work on friends and getting the new stack in raring ;-) [15:46] seb128, didrocks : thanks. I wish our users were as excited :-/ [15:46] thx [15:46] i've seen lots of excitement on g+ :) [15:46] which of course we can't view in friends [15:46] hehe [15:47] kenvandine, yeah. lots of the recent bugs filed are quite negative about some features we've lost in the transition... [15:47] robru, kenvandine: I guess the phablet components are next on the landing list as didrocks pointed it, right? ;-) [15:47] i just did share-app :) [15:47] seb128, didrocks : yes I intend to work more on the phablet stuff, but I am blocked on a lot of it [15:47] kenvandine, great [15:48] robru, what is blocking? libhybris? [15:48] robru: blocked how? [15:48] robru: like, see the hangouts, you can talk to the rest of the team or upstream ;) [15:48] didrocks, well i already sent you that email about how camera-app builds but won't run [15:48] robru: yeah, but you don't only have camera-app to bootstrap :) [15:49] robru: and pinging upstream about it, I think those kind of issues is fixable within a day or two [15:49] robru has a pile of SRUs for quantal to do too :) [15:49] I have like 30 SRUs. no joke [15:49] webapps? [15:50] yeah [15:50] well, if you have pushed for having daily release sooner, that would be automagic :p [15:50] (still not btw) [15:50] robru, did the bugs get filed for those yet? [15:50] kenvandine, yeah, alex filed the bugs, I targetted them to quantal, but I'm still waiting for alex to push the release tarballs so that I can update the quantal-proposed branches [15:50] robru: if the SRUs are not security fixes, we should really target touch first [15:51] like as told the other day, I think we should have everything ready and daily releasing by the end of next week [15:51] so that sergio can build the image from the ppa [15:51] I'm here ;) [15:51] (as it's what jasoncwarner_ and rick agreed on) [15:51] at least a couple of them are related to the firefox update [15:52] robru: anyway, if you are blocked on anything that is not fixable, please do not hesitate to ping me [15:52] thanks robru [15:52] robru, didrocks, kenvandine: thanks [15:52] tkamppeter, hey [15:52] - The Linux Foundation (and so OpenPrinting) is accepted for the Google Summer of Code 2013. So students will help us to get printing working better. [15:52] - cups-filters: Fixed several bugs to make the legacy CUPS broadcasting/browsing and BrowsePoll support in cups-browsed actually working, let postinst script overtake BrowsePoll and other configuration directives from cupsd.conf to cups-browsed.conf. [15:52] - splix: Fixed bug which broke printing from iOS devices. [15:52] - Tests done to help on getting a mobile broadband modem working: LP: #1164023 [15:52] Launchpad bug 1164023 in modemmanager (Ubuntu) "modem-manager crashed with SIGSEGV in g_slice_alloc() - REGRESSION: No internet access via mobile broadband" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1164023 [15:52] - Added section "Getting the data which would go to the printer", "Sending a file to the printer unfiltered", and "PostScript (PDF) printer chokes on the PostScript (PDF) coming from Ubuntu" to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems [15:52] - I cannot join UDS May, they put it exactly in sync with OpenPrinting Summit (May 14-17). [15:53] tkamppeter, ok, no worry for UDS, we can schedule a google hangout session out of the UDS days if there is a topic we need to discuss [15:53] Sweetshark: spelling-error-in-changelog reenable re-enable [15:53] tkamppeter, thanks [15:54] attente, hey [15:55] seb128, hey [15:55] cyphermox, hey, (going back you next) [15:55] continued work on indicator-keyboard, packaging and getting it into a ppa for initial testing [15:55] .. [15:55] attente, do you want test from others or not yet? [15:56] attente: did you take a depend on the new GIcon API, and how do you intend to manage that from the PPA? [15:56] seb128, it's still pretty immature, but it's here if anyone wants to try it: https://launchpad.net/~attente/+archive/indicator-keyboard [15:56] attente, ok, thanks [15:57] desrt, it doesn't yet, i'm going to upload a new glib with your patches [15:57] attente: i remembered something that might have an impact on you [15:57] it's nice if you put GIcons into your menu and send them out over dbus... [15:57] but you're also going to need a new gtk in order to turn those GIcons into icons on the menu on the other side (in the panel) [15:58] desrt, I see what you are doing there :p [15:58] desrt, I'm not backporting gtk 3.10 to raring! :p [15:58] lol [15:58] seb128: i was going to recommend backporting the patches :p [15:58] and afaik, attente's work is not cleared to land in raring [15:59] no, it's "s" material [15:59] so we'll have new gtk there probably [15:59] else, we backport [15:59] meanwhile he'll need some way to manage it for the PPA [15:59] so i'll probably write this patch when i am on the plane [15:59] desrt, attente: thanks, let's try to get glib/gtk patches earlier in "s", having to rebase glib/gtk in a ppa is often a fail [15:59] like the menu stuff in the desktop ppa this cycle... (another one to land early in "s") [16:00] cyphermox, hey, back to you if you are there [16:00] yup [16:00] - looks like we'll be able to finish hud/phablet preparing today, and merge into hud and enable daily release to a PPA. [16:00] - phablet-tools is also ready for daily release, just needs to be enabled [16:00] - I figured out how to make bluetooth work on the Nexus4, it's somewhat different than on the nexus7, and planning a way to make both work with somewhat the same methods so that it can be hooked up to UI. [16:00] - fixing some tests in NM with the help of pitti. [16:00] - about to upload more ModemManager fixes [16:00] - debugged an issue with / being busy at shutdown, I can now say it's not NM's fault but pinpointing it to the exact package is difficult, I'll file the bug this afternoon with the info I have now. [16:00] hopefully it's not something that was just fixed... [16:00] EOF [16:00] \o/ hud and lihud-qt ;) [16:00] thanks cyphermox ;) [16:00] yeah libhud-qt too ;) [16:01] cyphermox, bluetooth on the devices \o/ [16:01] for me (quickly since flight is boarding now): dealt with falling rocks wrt. glib interface changes and c++/c# bindings [16:01] cyphermox, thanks [16:01] desrt, you were next [16:01] did a lot of pinging over account service maintainership stuff, and had a false-start on a patch that hopefully we don't need since new upstream maintainers are promising to be more-friendly [16:01] desrt, I just pushed the glib patches to the desktop ppa, will upload to raring tomorrow if everything is ok [16:01] did a lot of final-details planning for the fd.o sprint [16:01] did some changes to gmenu in the name of efficiency [16:02] and am now quite close to closing the story on gicon-in-gmenu [16:02] that's about all [16:02] it wasn't the most productive week just because of all the pinging/organisational stuff [16:02] desrt, thanks, have a safe trip, talk to you on sane work hours in the next days ;-) [16:02] 'sane' [16:02] pfft [16:02] ciao :) [16:03] bye [16:03] so me [16:03] * desrt will probably be on again in a few hours from EWR [16:03] - desktop updates and bug fixes for raring [16:03] - started looking a bit more into the plans for system settings and indicators for next cycles/ubuntu touch [16:03] - reviewed active blueprints, cleaned quite some workitems for the team, we are still behind trend but closer [16:03] - helped testing the new unity and tracking down failing tests to unblock raring landing [16:03] [16:03] [16:03] did I forgot anyone? [16:04] ok, not [16:04] Sweetshark, qengho, didrocks, Laney, kenvandine, mlankhorst, mterry, robru, tkamppeter, attente, desrt, cyphermox: quick topic, meeting time [16:04] thanks! [16:04] robru pointed that he would prefer staying on UTC time [16:04] e.g shifting one hour later [16:04] i would too [16:04] but that put us late for Europeans [16:04] ah [16:05] it means finishing at 7:30pm [16:05] Ow. [16:05] yikes [16:05] i just prefer not accounting for DST, etc [16:05] or 7pm if we are quick [16:05] that's too late [16:05] robru: is what, UTC+30 or something? [16:05] lol [16:05] hehe [16:06] kenvandine, you would prefer having the meeting later then? [16:07] no, just tracking some time that is UTC [16:07] I don't want it to shift to 25 minutes in the future from now, FWIW, but it's not a strong opinion. [16:07] is anyone having a "too early" issue with the current time? [16:07] is there no other time that works for everybody? I guess european morningtime is too late for north americans... [16:07] i'm ok with my local time of the meeting changes, just prefer to have 1 stable time to track it [16:07] I'm all for ignoring DST, though. [16:07] not me [16:08] qengho, kenvandine, robru, cyphermox, attente, desrt: ^ guess that's an U.S continent question [16:08] I would rather have the meeting at local midnight than local 8Am ;-) [16:08] current time is best for me [16:08] yeah, google calendar can handle telling me when the meeting is if it is UTC time :) [16:08] just before lunch, basically [16:08] This current time isn't too early for me [16:08] current time is better for me as well [16:08] me too [16:08] later would be to hard on the .eu folks [16:09] maybe I'll just mail my summary in the night before ;-) [16:09] which there are many of [16:09] I like to keep the current time, too 5:30pm in my local time is absolutely OK. [16:09] yeah, I would prefer avoiding conflicting with dinner time [16:09] and finishing at 7:30pm is a bit late, especially for those who start the day early [16:09] ok, let's stay on the current time then [16:09] ok, well if we can't shift the time, can we at least pin the time on current UTC? it will be more predictable that way [16:09] robru, feel free to join the eastern meeting if that works better for you [16:10] split into one european and one american? :-) [16:10] though it's mostly Xorg oriented, you probably have more topic for that meeting [16:10] Sweetshark, qengho, didrocks, Laney, kenvandine, mlankhorst, mterry, robru, tkamppeter, attente, desrt, cyphermox: anyone having an issue having the time set on UTC? [16:10] seb128, I looked into that one once and it was like 3AM :_) [16:10] better for me [16:10] would be one hour earlier in the day in winter [16:10] fine with me ;) [16:10] you could just move to a normal timezone :P [16:10] noooooo [16:11] chrisccoulson, ;-) [16:11] heh [16:11] yeah it's fine [16:11] robru, no... it is like 6:30 pm for me [16:11] you guys should all come visit me. you won't want to leave after ;-) [16:11] so mid afternoon for you [16:11] ok, thanks everyone [16:11] robru: Maybe you can talk seb into pasting yours from the wiki page. [16:11] we stay on current time [16:11] and stick to UTC [16:11] great! [16:11] (will be one hour earlier in the day next winter) [16:11] any other topic [16:11] questions/comments? [16:11] seb128, ok, so what is the official canonical meeting time? 1600UTC? [16:12] 1630 [16:12] 15h30 UTC [16:12] 1530UTC [16:12] 1330UTC [16:12] -1 [16:12] whoops [16:12] 1530 [16:12] haha [16:12] lol [16:12] ok [16:12] seb128: see, only the French are right! :) [16:12] so 8:30 for you robru [16:12] didrocks, I was going to say [16:12] Metric system superioirty [16:12] clearly… [16:13] ok, that's a wrap then [16:13] thanks everyone [16:14] thanks! [16:14] thanks! [16:14] robru: hey, so you had questions on the email, mind having them here (or in a hangout if you prefer?) [16:14] oh, and please clean your workitems/postpone the ones you will not get to [16:14] didrocks, yeah, you said you were going to explain something about autolanding? [16:15] seb128: you ignored me :-( [16:15] ;-) [16:15] robru: oh yeah, we can webbrowser-app together [16:15] Nafallo, splitting the meeting in european and american? yeah, was a good one to ignore ;-) [16:15] attente: trying to build indicator-keyboard, I get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5692747/ [16:16] ugh.... google calendar is very confused. it thinks this meeting is always 10:30 AM this week, and always 8:30 Am the following week (regardless of what week I am looking at) [16:16] perhaps insufficient build-deps? [16:16] robru: prefer a hangout? I don't mind if you have your breakfast/tea at the same time as long as you are eating French bread of course :) [16:16] mitya57, it requires a new ibus [16:16] didrocks, I am all out of french bread ;-) [16:16] didrocks, ok, do a hangout [16:16] i have it in this ppa: https://launchpad.net/~attente/+archive/indicator-keyboard [16:17] * Laney invites robru to his one :P [16:17] attente: that's what I meant by "insufficient build-deps" :) [16:17] thanks for working on it btw! [16:17] ah, sorry [16:17] robru: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/d47fb833ed9891c4276980dd00dc9cb5a65f7582?authuser=0&hl=fr [16:17] you're right [16:17] seb128: lol. meanie ;-) [16:38] didrocks, https://code.launchpad.net/~robru/webbrowser-app/bootstrap/+merge/157911 [16:39] robru: https://launchpad.net/cupstream2distro-config [16:40] Laney: oooh. quick work. cheers! :-) [16:54] didrocks, https://code.launchpad.net/~robru/cupstream2distro-config/webbrowser-app/+merge/157917 [17:38] Please someone to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sessioninstaller/+bug/1049467 [17:38] Launchpad bug 1049467 in sessioninstaller (Ubuntu) "Multimedia codec installer says "Python", rather than the name of the process/application (e.g. Rhythmbox, Videos) that requested the codec." [High,Confirmed] [17:39] oh back [17:49] didrocks, bah, purging all those PPAs made me lose libhud-qt-qml, so I can't run camera-app anymore. but I guess tomorrow I will be able to continue pursuing this with a more pristine installation ;-) [17:49] robru: yeah, sounds like a better plan to me :) [17:49] didrocks, ok, I must grab some breakfast, then when I get back I have over 100 emails to read ;-) [17:49] bye [17:49] robru: I hope with bread! ttyl ;) [17:49] (I think they are all bug reports for friends ;-) === jhodapp is now known as jhodapp|lunch === padv_ is now known as dfsdlgkl [18:13] * didrocks waves good evening === padv_ is now known as dfsdlgkl === jhodapp|lunch is now known as jhodapp === racarr is now known as racarr|curry === racarr|curry is now known as racarr [20:43] robert_ancell: hey. is there any way to make lightdm use "extended display" mode instead of "mirror display" that doesn't involve making it run a script that runs xrandr stuff on startup? [20:55] dobey, you mean like setting it in your xorg.conf? [20:55] (if so, the answer is yes!) [21:00] bryce: uhm, without creating an xorg.conf either? [21:04] dobey: org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xrandr default-monitors-setup theoretically, except they based the extend mode being default thing on a fedora only xserver patch :) [21:05] dobey, in unity-greeter? [21:05] robert_ancell: yeah [21:06] dobey, OK. LightDM isn't involve in the monitor layout so you either set the X default as bryce said or you configure it for the lightdm user (which is what the greeter runs as) as Sarvatt said [21:07] except the except ... [21:08] it's only default to extend mode in fedora via http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/xorg-x11-server.git/tree/xserver-1.6.99-right-of.patch , xserver defaults to mirror for everyone else but the g-s-d option is based on the fedora changes [21:10] and that change is in Ubuntu, because Fedora works so well with upstreams, right? right? [21:10] hey, at least we can strike back with a Mir only patch :P [21:12] dobey: we can pick it up next cycle, too late for raring so xorg.conf it is :( [21:15] Sarvatt: i would much prefer "magic" and no config at all :) [21:15] dobey, this just for your local system or for putting in the distro, or...? (usecase time...) [21:16] if you're not entirely anti-config file solutions, you can also set a system level monitors.xml file [21:18] bryce: well, on my system, but useful for everyone i think. i currently have a temporary video card to get multi-head working, until my intel kernel bug gets fixed. so when i pull the current card to test intel, i don't want to end up with a broken config that i have to tweak just to test the system. so i really want to avoid any config that specifies which hardware/outputs are used [21:18] funnily that problem doesnt arise if you use one of the proprietary drivers with their config gui tools ... [21:19] maybe at /etc/gnome-settings-daemon/xrandr/monitors.xml or some permutation [21:21] dobey, yet another option is xorg.conf.d snippets. but I think the system level monitors.xml is the style of magic you're looking for. Just copy ~/.config/monitors.xml to the above path, reboot and see if it works. [21:24] bryce: hrmm, that might be halfway acceptable for now. looks like it does have the correct config for both GPUs [21:26] dobey, as to making it work for everyone... making X do extended by default is not hard, however there's corner cases where that can leave the user with a bad experience (or worse), which is why it's mirrored. [21:29] well, maybe Mir/Wayland will be able to handle that better [21:29] hopefully [21:29] will not be great for the whole "converged" experience if they can't === czajkows1i is now known as czajkowski [21:43] dobey, totally agreed. [22:02] anyone know where /usr/share/unity-scopes/scope-runner-dbus.py comes from for the hundred scopes stuff? === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha