[06:30] <pitti> Good morning
[07:28] <seb128> hey desktopers
[07:33] <pitti> bonjour seb128, ça va ?
[07:33] <seb128> pitti, salut, oui, très bien, et toi ?
[07:33] <pitti> seb128: moi aussi ! j'aime le soleil !
[07:34] <seb128> on a pas de soleil ici aujourd'hui :-(
[07:34] <seb128> back to grey and cloudy for the next 3 days at least (according to the forecast)
[07:34] <seb128> with some rains in the middle
[07:34] <didrocks> +1, pas de soleil ici :/
[07:42] <dpm> good morning, if it helps, there's no sun in here, either :)
[07:44] <dpm> I've made some progress with my laptop. I could now get it to boot, load the nvidia drivers and log into a session. the only remaining thing is the dash and panel: they just won't load, and I end up with a dash-less session when I log in. I tried to run unity-panel-service manually and here's what I got, any ideas? -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5691659/
[07:45] <dpm> the dash and all works well if I log into a guest session
[07:45] <dpm> it's just when I log in as my user that the dash won't load
[07:50] <seb128> dpm, try moving .compiz .compiz-1 .config/compiz-1 away
[07:50] <seb128> dpm, could you also pastebin your .xsession-errors?
[07:50] <seb128> dpm, good morning btw ;-)
[07:52] <dpm> seb128, morning :-) I did move them away last night, but didn't seem to make a difference. Let me try again. In any case, here's .xsession-errors -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5691678/
[07:53] <seb128> dpm, unity is not in your plugins list
[07:54] <seb128> dpm, do you have ccsm installed?
[07:54] <dpm> ah, weird. No, I stay well away from ccsm, I've not installed it
[07:56] <seb128> dpm, try to
[07:56] <seb128> gsettings reset org.compiz.core:/org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/ active-plugins
[07:56] <dpm> seb128, do I need to install ccsm for that, or can I just run the command?
[07:56] <seb128> run the command
[07:57] <dpm> ok
[07:57] <seb128> ccsm was to avoid having to figure out the command :p
[07:57] <dpm> :-)
[07:58] <dpm> it tells me the org.compiz.core schema does not exist (could this have something to do with me moving the .compiz folder away?)
[07:59] <seb128> dpm, dpkg -l | grep compiz-gnome
[07:59] <seb128> dpm, no, it doesn't
[08:00] <dpm> seb128, it seems to be installed:
[08:00] <dpm> ii  compiz-gnome                                                         1:0.9.9~daily13.04.05-0ubuntu1             amd64        OpenGL window and compositing manager - GNOME window decorator
[08:00] <seb128> weird
[08:01] <seb128> dpm, ls -l /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/org.compiz.core.gschema.xml
[08:01] <seb128> dpm, if it's there, try to "sudo glib-compile-schemas  /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/"
[08:02] <seb128> dpm, I'm starting wondering if your box is not broken enough that you should reinstall it rather trying to chase issues
[08:04] <dpm> seb128, the schema is there, but glib-compile-schemas did not seem to do anything (returned no output and the gsettings command still complains). Yeah, I've thought of that too, but it seems I'm so close now :)
[08:06] <seb128> dpm, shrug, install ccsm, run it, go to unity, try enabling the plugin there ;-)
[08:06] <dpm> ok, will try that, thanks a lot seb128!
[08:06] <seb128> dpm, yw
[08:06] <seb128> dpm, do you know what happened to the box? do you have a broken disk?
[08:08] <seb128> pitti, so back to update-notifier, you would basically look if "fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock /var/run/unattended-upgrades.lock" returns 0?
[08:09] <pitti> seb128: ah, does the exit status is computed with "or"?
[08:09] <seb128> pitti, from my tries, as soon any of the listed files has a lock it returns 1
[08:09] <Laney> hey ho
[08:09] <seb128> ups
[08:09] <seb128> 0
[08:09] <pitti> seb128: oh, one needs to check for existance first
[08:10] <pitti> seb128: if I run this on my box, it fails with 1, as /var/run/unattended-upgrades.lock doesn't exist
[08:10] <dpm> seb128, so the machine had not been able to reboot or restart for a while (it just dropped to single user mode in the terminal). When I turned it off yesterday, I did it with the power button without disc sync, and I guess that's where it all started: it could first not load the nvidia driver and could not read the /boot partition. So I took it out, mounted it from my desktop, ran fsck, reinstalled the kernel, and the nvidia driver. That worked (I can
[08:10] <dpm>  even now reboot properly \o/, but then the Unity issue kicked in
[08:10] <pitti> seb128: also, /var/run -> /run, while we are at it
[08:10] <seb128> pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5691709/
[08:11] <seb128> pitti, the 3 logs are
[08:11] <seb128> - nothing happening
[08:11] <seb128> - update-manager starting and doing the "index update"
[08:11] <pitti> seb128: otherwise this sounds right to me
[08:11] <seb128> - update-manager installing upgrades
[08:11] <seb128> Laney, hey, how are you?
[08:12] <pitti> hey Laney, welcome back
[08:12] <Laney> not bad thanks!
[08:12] <Laney> thanks pitti, how's it going?
[08:12] <pitti> Laney: quite well indeed, thanks!
[08:12] <Laney> woot
[08:13] <seb128> dpm, it seems like you got some disk corruption, can be fun to track what is buggy and where due to it
[08:13] <seb128> dpm, if the issue is with your user, maybe create a new one and move datas over
[08:14] <pitti> seb128: so we can put that, and some [ -e ] tests into a simple shell script, and add something like /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/com.ubuntu.update-notifier.policy to run it through pkexec without a password
[08:14] <dpm> seb128, yeah, after seeing the guest session works, I thought of that. I had the hope that fixing the current one would be easier and save me moving over all my data, but I'm starting to think otherwise :)
[08:14] <pitti> seb128: actually, with "yes" instead of "auth_admin", of course
[08:14] <seb128> pitti, sounds good ... do you want to do it or should I have a look?
[08:15] <seb128> or we might try to find a volunteer
[08:15]  * seb128 looks at Laney :p
[08:15] <pitti> seb128: I can do it
[08:15] <seb128> pitti, danke
[08:15]  * seb128 needs to work on system settings plans
[08:15] <pitti> seb128: that was in update-notifier, right?
[08:16] <seb128> pitti, yes, src/update.c in dpkg_lock_is_taken()
[08:16] <pitti> seb128: I'd like to add a bug task for this; is there an existing bug for the u-s-s -> systemd-services migration?
[08:17] <pitti> (or at least refer to it in the changelog, for release team review)
[08:17] <seb128> pitti, in fact we could even drop that check I think, update-manager does display "lock taken, waiting for it to be released" nowadays if you start it with a lock...
[08:18] <seb128> pitti, #1153567
[08:18] <pitti> seb128: still, as it just pops up automatically these days that looks bad
[08:18] <pitti> seb128: merci
[08:18] <seb128> pitti, de rien
[08:21] <dpm> pitti, do you know what the best way to do a file system check on an encrypted system is? If I mark the system to do a check on reboot, will it do the right thing? I.e. unlock the partition first and do the file check?
[08:22] <pitti> dpm: udisksctl unlock, then run sudo fsck on /dev/mapper/ubuntu-root
[08:22] <pitti> dpm: you can do all this in gnome disks, too
[08:24] <dpm> pitti, ah, let me try that, thanks. Also, the issue I had yesterday whereby nautilus cannot mount the encrypted partition and it has to be mounted on the command line: what's the best package to file a bug against?
[08:24]  * pitti OTP, bbl
[08:27] <seb128> dpm, try udisks2 for the bug, pitti will reassign if ndeed
[08:31] <pitti> dpm: ^ with some screenshots, preferably
[08:32] <dpm> seb128, pitti, thanks, will do. fyi, gnome disks (at least the quantal version from my desktop machine) could check or mount the encrypted partition: it gave me this error http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5691746/
[08:32] <dpm> sorry, I meant could *not*
[08:45] <Laney> hmm, nvidia-310 not building with the new kernel
[09:18] <pitti> dpm: hm, that does look like an udisks bug; but in raring we use udisks2, it might behave differently there
[09:19] <dpm> pitti, ok, gotcha, will try again when I upgrade my desktop machine too
[09:46] <zzecool> seb128: are you here man ??
[09:46] <seb128> zzecool, hi
[09:46] <zzecool> :)
[09:46] <zzecool> if you have some time i want to report you a prob
[09:46] <zzecool> you use to help a lot in the past
[09:48] <zzecool> i just upgrade to raring and im getting a strange problem everything is fine  with unity but i cant get a wallpaper . My wallpaper is a mess o corrupted images from windows i open and close  like ghosts.  no mateer if i try to change it to something else it doesnt work
[09:49] <seb128> zzecool, do you use nautilus to render your desktop background?
[09:49] <seb128> zzecool, what version of nautilus do you use?
[09:49] <seb128> zzecool, gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons
[09:49] <zzecool> one sec
[09:50] <zzecool> it returns : true
[09:50] <zzecool> im using the nautiolous form the gnome3 ppa
[09:50] <seb128> that's why
[09:50] <zzecool> let me check the version
[09:50] <seb128> broken ppa
[09:50] <zzecool> aaa
[09:50] <zzecool> really?
[09:50] <seb128> or broken GNOME 3.8
[09:50] <zzecool> thank you seb128  you are the man that have the right answers always
[09:50] <zzecool> :)
[09:50] <zzecool> ill downgrade
[09:50] <zzecool> :)
[09:51] <seb128> zzecool, gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.background active true
[09:51] <seb128> should workaround it
[09:51] <zzecool> let me check
[09:51] <zzecool> with a restart or without one ?
[09:51] <zzecool> i just did it and nothing changed
[09:52] <seb128> you might need to restart gnome-settings-daemon (or your session)
[10:07] <pitti> seb128: top 3 changes in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-notifier/ubuntu/changes, if you have a minute for eyeballing
[10:08] <pitti> seb128: I tested it for both cases (no apt active, and apt-get update running while starting u-n)
[10:15] <zzecool> seb128:  thank you friend  the workaround didnt work but a ppa purge did the job just fine  =)
[10:15] <zzecool> you saved my day
[10:16] <seb128> pitti, looking
[10:16] <seb128> zzecool, yw
[10:23] <seb128> pitti, works fine for me
[10:31] <pitti> seb128: merci
[10:31] <seb128> pitti, merci à toi !
[10:34] <pitti> seb128: uploaded
[10:34] <seb128> pitti, \o/
[10:59] <davmor2> morning seb128 today there was an RB update but I still see no artwork was that meant to fix it do you know?
[11:01] <seb128> davmor2, hey, not supposed to be fixed, that was just a build fix upload
[11:02] <davmor2> seb128: phew :)
[11:27] <xnox> Am I correct to assume that bug 991637 will be fixed released in q/p with the next round of SRUs?
[11:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 991637 in OEM Priority Project precise "unity launcher vanishes when switching to mirrored displays" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/991637
[11:28] <didrocks> xnox: right, I generally do that as part of my patch pilot shift
[11:28] <seb128> xnox, is the question "do I need to sponsor the fixes"?
[11:28] <didrocks> or whenever I'm getting the time
[11:28] <didrocks> xnox: if you feel confident, I can send you the full doc :)
[11:29] <didrocks> (with autopilot tests running, and what's ready for P)
[11:29] <xnox> didrocks: no, thanks =))))
[11:29] <xnox> seb128: somebody cherrypicked that and proposed merging into quantal packaging branch, which as far as I am aware is not the right way to do unity stable SRUs.
[11:30] <didrocks> xnox: yeah, we need a document with autopilot running and so on
[11:30] <xnox> didrocks: ack. that's what I thought =)
[11:31] <didrocks> om26er: we already discussed it btw ^
[11:32] <om26er> xnox, didrocks autopilot tests ran fine for those branches
[11:32] <om26er> no regression. still have to do manual testing
[11:32] <didrocks> om26er: do you have the doc with the tests results for autopilot and manual testing?
[11:32] <didrocks> ok, no manual testing, so don't propose the branch before having everything set please :)
[13:17] <Sweetshark> wow. just wow: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62764. I thought we are not living in the '90ies anymore ...
[13:18] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 62764 in Libreoffice "Liberation fonts causing Windows 7 SP1 to BSOD" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[13:18] <ogra_> just installl lubuntu and you are back ... its like a timewarp ;)
[13:19] <Sweetshark> ogra_: cant I crash the kernel by installing a font on lubuntu? if not, let Microsoft handle it -- they have more experience with the 90ies experience.
[13:20] <ogra_> :)
[13:21] <davmor2> Sweetshark: were not, but that is a bug in MS :)
[13:21] <davmor2> s/were/we're
[13:25] <Sweetshark> I guess we have to amend the "LibreOffice -- based on technology breaking your toolchain since 1985" to also cover kernels. after all windows isnt the first instance of this, *cough* bug 745836 *cough* (although that 'only' crashed the userspace process)
[13:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 745836 in linux (Ubuntu Natty) "encrypted swap corrupts application stack/heap [was: soffice.bin SIGSEGV cppu::throwException()]" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745836
[13:27] <seb128> Laney, do you have any opinion on updating to the current rb release which just went out?
[13:28] <seb128> Laney, our current version is 2.98 with a stack of backports for gstreamer1.0 but it seems to have quite some issues and I'm wondering if we would not be better off with update
[13:28] <seb128> Laney, it's a bit late for an update with a big diff like that though...
[13:48] <bdrung> Sweetshark: libreoffice-common doesn't suggest libreoffice-style-human any more. was that intentional?
[13:50] <Sweetshark> bdrung: oh, missed that one. no -- that was not intentional. lemme check how that happened ...
[13:53] <bdrung> Sweetshark: btw, the "Breaks: libreoffice-emailmerge (<< 1:4.0.2~rc1)" should be added to the Debian experimental branch, too
[13:54] <bdrung> Sweetshark: "for LibreOffice" -> "for the LibreOffice" to reduce the diff completely. :)
[13:57] <Laney> seb128: no real opinion there, shall we package it up and get people to try it for a couple of days?
[13:57] <bdrung> Sweetshark: you may want to run wrap-and-sort in the experimental branch (wrap-and-sort  -d . -v && for i in control*; do echo >> $i; done)
[13:59] <seb128> Laney, it's an idea, I was looking a bit at the git logs but there are some ui changes in the middle
[14:00] <seb128> Laney, I'm also not sure how different is the gstreamer1 code you backported compared to what landed in trunk; they didn't do so many fixes after landing it
[14:00] <Laney> mine was basically a git diff of the gstreamer branch over the release
[14:00] <Laney> are there problems related to that stuff?
[14:01] <seb128> I don't know, I had a couple of times where doing "next track" in the indicator let me with 2 songs playing at the same time
[14:01] <seb128> but I've no idea if that's gstreamer, rb, fixed in trunk
[14:11] <Nafallo> seb128: hey. who's the best person to discuss a gstreamer module for raring? :-)
[14:12] <seb128> Nafallo, gstreamer upstream? release team? us?
[14:12] <ogra_> Nafallo, glazor and probably Laney
[14:12] <seb128> depends if that's a feature, a new package, a bug ...
[14:12] <ogra_> and what seb said :)
[14:12] <Nafallo> patch for converting from 0.10 to 1.0 exists, but Debian is blocking on the patch not being upstreamed. would be nice to have in raring ;-)
[14:12] <seb128> ogra_, slomo you mean rather than glatzor?
[14:12] <ogra_> oh
[14:13] <ogra_> heh, yeah. the names are so close ... so easy to mix them up :P
[14:13] <seb128> Nafallo, what source?
[14:13] <Nafallo> seb128: crystalhd, in universe
[14:13] <Laney> what do you mean by not upstreamed? is it at least forwarded?
[14:14] <Nafallo> Laney: it is.
[14:14] <Nafallo> let me find the specifics.
[14:14] <Nafallo> http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg59561.html
[14:15] <Nafallo> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=702372
[14:15] <ubot2> Debian bug 702372 in gstreamer0.10-crystalhd "Please build against gstreamer 1.0" [Wishlist,Open]
[14:15] <Nafallo> those two would be the more relevant ones I believe :-)
[14:16] <Laney> you've been testing it?
[14:16] <Laney> should be fine - please file the FFe
[14:16] <Nafallo> I'm still waiting for my card I'm afraid :-)
[14:17] <Nafallo> hopefully it will arrive before I'm moving countries on Friday morning ;-)
[14:26] <Nafallo> bug 1166816
[14:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1166816 in crystalhd (Ubuntu) "[FFe] GStreamer 1.0 module should be in Ubuntu 13.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1166816
[14:26] <Nafallo> do I need to do anything else? :-)
[14:27] <Laney> Explaining why it's required would be nice ;-)
[14:28] <Laney> have you checked the patch at least builds on ubuntu?
[14:28] <Nafallo> I don't have any dev environment set up or anything :-/
[14:29] <Nafallo> I can try and get something going, but it's not likely to be this week.
[14:29] <Nafallo> when would the cut-off be?
[14:29] <Laney> ah no worries, I'll try it
[14:30] <Nafallo> thanks muchly :-)
[14:31] <Nafallo> hopefully I can back in the building packages game at some point soon, but right now it's new job and moving back to Sweden that's high on the agenda ;-)
[14:32] <Nafallo> hopefully I'll have a card in my netbook by Thursday and I'll be more than happy to try things out after that :-)
[14:32] <Nafallo> I went for BCM970015
[14:32] <Nafallo> from what I've read I should be able to get 1080p running smooth in flash at least ;-)
[14:33] <Nafallo> but I won't install gstreamer 0.10 just for that :-P
[14:33] <Nafallo> thanks much Laney :-)
[14:33] <Nafallo> Laney: anything I can do, just give me a poke :-)
[14:41] <seb128> jbicha, hey
[14:41] <seb128> jbicha, did you do your rhythmbox build fix (thanks) in the vcs and forgot to push or did you forgot the vcs?
[14:53] <jbicha> seb128: I forgot the vcs, let me push...
[14:53] <seb128> jbicha, thanks
[14:54] <jbicha> done
[14:58] <Laney> when's the meeting? 30 mins?
[14:58] <kenvandine> is the meeting in 30m or an hour and 30?
[14:58] <kenvandine> Laney, haha
[14:58] <Laney> haha
[14:58] <kenvandine> it dropped off my calendar...
[14:58] <Laney> I have it in 30 on there but I want to make sure it's right ...
[14:59] <Laney> google calendar usually is with such things though
[15:02] <kenvandine> oh... on the calendar the meeting got moved to wednesday!
[15:02] <kenvandine> on the ubuntu-engineering calendar
[15:02] <kenvandine> but that has it in 2 1/2 hours from now
[15:02] <kenvandine> and tomorrow
[15:03] <seb128> it's today in 30min
[15:03] <seb128> brb
[15:03]  * Laney has no idea what that calendar is :P
[15:03] <kenvandine> :)
[15:05] <Nafallo> seb128: wb
[15:05] <Sweetshark> bdrung: remaining issues fixed on p.c.c and alioth ...
[15:05] <seb128> re
[15:15] <ogra_> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[15:15] <ogra_>   gwibber-service gwibber-service-facebook gwibber-service-identica gwibber-service-twitter libgconf2-4 libgtkspell-3-0 libgwibber-gtk3 libgwibber3 python3-pycurl unity-lens-gwibber
[15:15] <ogra_> thats pretty funny
[15:15] <ogra_> i just did a dist-upgrade that actually insisted to install all these packages
[15:16] <seb128> weird
[15:16] <ogra_> (well, not gconf and gtkspell, but all the gwibber stuff)
[15:16] <seb128> libgconf2-4 not longer required is good ;-)
[15:16] <ogra_> yeah
[15:17] <mitya57> ogra_: bug 1156979?
[15:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1156979 in unity-lens-friends (Ubuntu) "[FFe] replace gwibber-service with Friends" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1156979
[15:18] <ogra_> mitya57, that doesnt really explain why it installed it though :)
[15:19] <ogra_> (gwibber wasnt installed here ... the dist-upgrade pulled it in ... and then told me i can autoremove the packages)
[15:19] <mitya57> strange, yeah
[15:19] <ogra_> anyway ... lets reboot and see how my upgrade went :)
[15:19] <mitya57> also, libgconf2-4 != libgconf-2-4 :)
[15:25] <ogra_> hmm, sad, unity still uses SW rendering on my chromebook
[15:29] <seb128> Sweetshark, qengho, didrocks, Laney, kenvandine, mlankhorst, mterry, robru, tkamppeter, attente: hey, it's meeting time
[15:29] <seb128> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2013-04-09
[15:29] <kenvandine> yay!
[15:30] <Sweetshark> o/
[15:30] <tkamppeter> hi
[15:30] <seb128> how is everyone doing?
[15:30] <didrocks> hey
[15:31] <mterry> Oh goodness, so soon.  Darn daylight savings
[15:31] <Laney> ello
[15:31] <robru> good morning
[15:31] <seb128> mterry, hey, we will discuss meeting time at the end
[15:31] <seb128> let's get started
[15:31] <seb128> Sweetshark, hey
[15:31]  * Sweetshark is polishing 4.0.2-0ubuntu1 for raring and began looking into improving upstream tinderboxing. Thats all.
[15:33] <seb128> Sweetshark, thanks
[15:33] <seb128> qengho, hey
[15:33] <qengho> - Testing chromium-browser on specialty hardware. Working on SIGBUS stack-smashing bug.
[15:33] <qengho> - Preparing c-b 26.0.1410.43 security update. Delayed after webapps bug and ARM FTBFS.
[15:33] <qengho> EOF
[15:33] <seb128> qengho, thanks
[15:33] <seb128> didrocks, hey
[15:33] <didrocks> hey!
[15:33] <didrocks> * Mostly daily releases work, helping and ensuring everything is working
[15:33] <didrocks> * Help factorizing having only on autopilot (configurable) job
[15:33] <didrocks> * Some bug fixes
[15:33] <didrocks> * Planning on the R+1/R release transtions
[15:33] <didrocks> * Touch apps discussions
[15:33] <didrocks> .
[15:34] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[15:34] <Sweetshark> whops, addendum: Fixed liblangtag ftbfs on ARM.
[15:34] <seb128> Sweetshark, ;-)
[15:34] <seb128> Laney, hey, welcome back ;-)
[15:34] <Laney> hello!
[15:34] <Laney> Short week due to two weeks holidaying in the peak district (impressive snow drifts). Uploaded the remainder of gstreamer 1.0.6. DMB stuff. Working on porting indicator-session to logind; mostly working but still some bugs to shake out before pushing it out. Some release work (queue / FFe reviews). Will now start looking at RB 2.99 for testing in the desktop PPA unless seb128 is doing that.
[15:35] <seb128> Laney, rb 2.99: quite some changes there (like they refactored menus to use gmenumodel, changed structured, changed some UI) ... we might just wait for next cycle
[15:36] <Laney> yeah - I don't know how bad these bugs are
[15:36] <seb128> Laney, well if you want to get the new version if the ppa that's not wasted work, it will be for s if not for raring
[15:36] <Laney> spotify by default? *ahem*
[15:36] <seb128> lol
[15:36] <seb128> I looked at launchpad, not so many bugs reported against rb in raring
[15:36]  * Laney nods
[15:36] <seb128> but well, it's devel cycle, not sure how many people are testing it either
[15:36] <jbicha> Laney: we already have RB 2.99 in the GNOME3 staging PPA, I don't think we want it for raring
[15:36] <Laney> ah nice
[15:37] <seb128> jbicha, having issues with it?
[15:37] <seb128> seems like a settled question in any case
[15:37] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[15:37] <seb128> kenvandine, hey
[15:38] <Laney> cheers
[15:38] <jbicha> I reported a few problems to https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=product%3A%22rhythmbox%22
[15:38] <kenvandine> * More work on signon-ui and which WebKit to use for touch images, check the webcredentials section on the meeting wiki page for details
[15:38] <kenvandine> * Prepared share-app for daily-build-next
[15:38] <kenvandine> * Landed friends-app and renamed gwibber source to friends-app
[15:38] <kenvandine>  /EOF
[15:38] <seb128> jbicha, ok, thanks (I don't think your own custom search will work for others ;-)
[15:39] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[15:39] <jbicha> well just sort by ID and see the most recent several bugs
[15:39] <seb128> cyphermox, hey (forgot you in the ping list, sorry, always has to be someone :p)
[15:39] <seb128> jbicha, ok
[15:40] <seb128> no cyphermox? moving on
[15:40] <seb128> mlankhorst, hey
[15:42] <seb128> ok, no luck there either
[15:42] <seb128> mterry, hey
[15:42] <mterry> - Good progress on Desktop-greeter-in-Qml work; functional, but not fully functional
[15:42] <mterry> - A little bit of work on the phablet greeter, getting it to work with LightDM
[15:42] <mterry> - A lot of wrangling with daily-release for the phablet stack (I've been blocking myself on getting lower elements of the stack in, but I think I'm just going to one-off push lower packages rather than wait)
[15:42] <mterry> EOF
[15:43] <seb128> mterry, thanks (do you want people to play with the qml greeter/test it?)
[15:43] <desrt> seb128: hi from the lounge :)
[15:43] <seb128> desrt, hey ;-)
[15:43] <mterry> seb128, naw
[15:43] <mterry> seb128, not yet
[15:44] <mterry> seb128, though it is in ppa:mterry/ppa
[15:44] <mterry> seb128, as qml-phone-greeter, but it's not really ready for mass use
[15:44] <seb128> ok
[15:44] <seb128> mterry, thanks
[15:44] <seb128> robru, hey
[15:44] <robru> hello
[15:44] <robru> (this goes back two weeks since I missed last week's meeting)
[15:44] <robru> * stop putting html in notifications, that's unsupported
[15:44] <robru> * truncate long messages in friends-app display, detruncating when clicked on.
[15:44] <robru> * extract our db schema into a CSV that can be parsed externally. now it is not hard-coded in two different places.
[15:44] <robru> * fix up consistency of link display in friends-app
[15:44] <robru> * ensure that db values get updated correctly when liking/unliking
[15:44] <robru> * forward-ported spacebar-scrolling patch which was user-submitted but allowed to bitrot to an embarrassing degree, twice.
[15:44] <robru> * urlencode URLs properly when sending them for shortening. allows URLs containing + sign to get shortened
[15:44] <robru> * workaround for old avatars getting lost into the ether forever
[15:44] <robru> * fixed up all of flickr, which was mysteriously very broken
[15:44] <robru> * tons of work on friends/trunk-next, which will land in S cycle.
[15:44] <robru>   - dropped a bunch of ugly quantal-compatibility code
[15:44] <robru>   - streamlined hundreds of lines of boilerplate out of the urlshortening logic
[15:44] <robru>   - all kinds of exciting new features that I am eager to land
[15:45] <didrocks> robru: nice work on the friends stuff! I guess your next weeks will be more focus on phablet components though, right? ;)
[15:45] <seb128> robru, sorry for the late email last week about DST
[15:45] <robru> seb128, no worries
[15:46] <seb128> kenvandine, robru: yeah, nice work on friends and getting the new stack in raring ;-)
[15:46] <robru> seb128, didrocks : thanks. I wish our users were as excited :-/
[15:46] <kenvandine> thx
[15:46] <kenvandine> i've seen lots of excitement on g+ :)
[15:46] <kenvandine> which of course we can't view in friends
[15:46] <kenvandine> hehe
[15:47] <robru> kenvandine, yeah. lots of the recent bugs filed are quite negative about some features we've lost in the transition...
[15:47] <seb128> robru, kenvandine: I guess the phablet components are next on the landing list as didrocks pointed it, right? ;-)
[15:47] <kenvandine> i just did share-app :)
[15:47] <robru> seb128, didrocks : yes I intend to work more on the phablet stuff, but I am blocked on a lot of it
[15:47] <seb128> kenvandine, great
[15:48] <seb128> robru, what is blocking? libhybris?
[15:48] <didrocks> robru: blocked how?
[15:48] <didrocks> robru: like, see the hangouts, you can talk to the rest of the team or upstream ;)
[15:48] <robru> didrocks, well i already sent you that email about how camera-app builds but won't run
[15:48] <didrocks> robru: yeah, but you don't only have camera-app to bootstrap :)
[15:49] <didrocks> robru: and pinging upstream about it, I think those kind of issues is fixable within a day or two
[15:49] <kenvandine> robru has a pile of SRUs for quantal to do too :)
[15:49] <robru> I have like 30 SRUs. no joke
[15:49] <didrocks> webapps?
[15:50] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:50] <didrocks> well, if you have pushed for having daily release sooner, that would be automagic :p
[15:50] <didrocks> (still not btw)
[15:50] <kenvandine> robru, did the bugs get filed for those yet?
[15:50] <robru> kenvandine, yeah, alex filed the bugs, I targetted them to quantal, but I'm still waiting for alex to push the release tarballs so that I can update the quantal-proposed branches
[15:50] <didrocks> robru: if the SRUs are not security fixes, we should really target touch first
[15:51] <didrocks> like as told the other day, I think we should have everything ready and daily releasing by the end of next week
[15:51] <didrocks> so that sergio can build the image from the ppa
[15:51] <cyphermox> I'm here ;)
[15:51] <didrocks> (as it's what jasoncwarner_ and rick agreed on)
[15:51] <kenvandine> at least a couple of them are related to the firefox update
[15:52] <didrocks> robru: anyway, if you are blocked on anything that is not fixable, please do not hesitate to ping me
[15:52] <didrocks> thanks robru
[15:52] <seb128> robru, didrocks, kenvandine: thanks
[15:52] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey
[15:52] <tkamppeter>  - The Linux Foundation (and so OpenPrinting) is accepted for the Google Summer of Code 2013. So students will help us to get printing working better.
[15:52] <tkamppeter>  - cups-filters: Fixed several bugs to make the legacy CUPS broadcasting/browsing and BrowsePoll support in cups-browsed actually working, let postinst script overtake BrowsePoll and other configuration directives from cupsd.conf to cups-browsed.conf.
[15:52] <tkamppeter>  - splix: Fixed bug which broke printing from iOS devices.
[15:52] <tkamppeter>  - Tests done to help on getting a mobile broadband modem working: LP: #1164023
[15:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1164023 in modemmanager (Ubuntu) "modem-manager crashed with SIGSEGV in g_slice_alloc() - REGRESSION: No internet access via mobile broadband" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1164023
[15:52] <tkamppeter>  - Added section "Getting the data which would go to the printer", "Sending a file to the printer unfiltered", and "PostScript (PDF) printer chokes on the PostScript (PDF) coming from Ubuntu" to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems
[15:52] <tkamppeter>  - I cannot join UDS May, they put it exactly in sync with OpenPrinting Summit (May 14-17).
[15:53] <seb128> tkamppeter, ok, no worry for UDS, we can schedule a google hangout session out of the UDS days if there is a topic we need to discuss
[15:53] <bdrung> Sweetshark: spelling-error-in-changelog reenable re-enable
[15:53] <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks
[15:54] <seb128> attente, hey
[15:55] <attente> seb128, hey
[15:55] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, (going back you next)
[15:55] <attente> continued work on indicator-keyboard, packaging and getting it into a ppa for initial testing
[15:55] <attente> ..
[15:55] <seb128> attente, do you want test from others or not yet?
[15:56] <desrt> attente: did you take a depend on the new GIcon API, and how do you intend to manage that from the PPA?
[15:56] <attente> seb128, it's still pretty immature, but it's here if anyone wants to try it: https://launchpad.net/~attente/+archive/indicator-keyboard
[15:56] <seb128> attente, ok, thanks
[15:57] <attente> desrt, it doesn't yet, i'm going to upload a new glib with your patches
[15:57] <desrt> attente: i remembered something that might have an impact on you
[15:57] <desrt> it's nice if you put GIcons into your menu and send them out over dbus...
[15:57] <desrt> but you're also going to need a new gtk in order to turn those GIcons into icons on the menu on the other side (in the panel)
[15:58] <seb128> desrt, I see what you are doing there :p
[15:58] <seb128> desrt, I'm not backporting gtk 3.10 to raring! :p
[15:58] <attente> lol
[15:58] <desrt> seb128: i was going to recommend backporting the patches :p
[15:58] <desrt> and afaik, attente's work is not cleared to land in raring
[15:59] <seb128> no, it's "s" material
[15:59] <desrt> so we'll have new gtk there probably
[15:59] <desrt> else, we backport
[15:59] <desrt> meanwhile he'll need some way to manage it for the PPA
[15:59] <desrt> so i'll probably write this patch when i am on the plane
[15:59] <seb128> desrt, attente: thanks, let's try to get glib/gtk patches earlier in "s", having to rebase glib/gtk in a ppa is often a fail
[15:59] <seb128> like the menu stuff in the desktop ppa this cycle... (another one to land early in "s")
[16:00] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, back to you if you are there
[16:00] <cyphermox> yup
[16:00] <cyphermox> - looks like we'll be able to finish hud/phablet preparing today, and merge into hud and enable daily release to a PPA.
[16:00] <cyphermox> - phablet-tools is also ready for daily release, just needs to be enabled
[16:00] <cyphermox> - I figured out how to make bluetooth work on the Nexus4, it's somewhat different than on the nexus7, and planning a way to make both work with somewhat the same methods so that it can be hooked up to UI.
[16:00] <cyphermox> - fixing some tests in NM with the help of pitti.
[16:00] <cyphermox> - about to upload more ModemManager fixes
[16:00] <cyphermox> - debugged an issue with / being busy at shutdown, I can now say it's not NM's fault but pinpointing it to the exact package is difficult, I'll file the bug this afternoon with the info I have now.
[16:00] <cyphermox> hopefully it's not something that was just fixed...
[16:00] <cyphermox> EOF
[16:00] <didrocks> \o/ hud and lihud-qt ;)
[16:00] <didrocks> thanks cyphermox ;)
[16:00] <cyphermox> yeah libhud-qt too ;)
[16:01] <seb128> cyphermox, bluetooth on the devices \o/
[16:01] <desrt> for me (quickly since flight is boarding now): dealt with falling rocks wrt. glib interface changes and c++/c# bindings
[16:01] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[16:01] <seb128> desrt, you were next
[16:01] <desrt> did a lot of pinging over account service maintainership stuff, and had a false-start on a patch that hopefully we don't need since new upstream maintainers are promising to be more-friendly
[16:01] <seb128> desrt, I just pushed the glib patches to the desktop ppa, will upload to raring tomorrow if everything is ok
[16:01] <desrt> did a lot of final-details planning for the fd.o sprint
[16:01] <desrt> did some changes to gmenu in the name of efficiency
[16:02] <desrt> and am now quite close to closing the story on gicon-in-gmenu
[16:02] <desrt> that's about all
[16:02] <desrt> it wasn't the most productive week just because of all the pinging/organisational stuff
[16:02] <seb128> desrt, thanks, have a safe trip, talk to you on sane work hours in the next days ;-)
[16:02] <desrt> 'sane'
[16:02] <desrt> pfft
[16:02] <desrt> ciao :)
[16:03] <seb128> bye
[16:03] <seb128> so me
[16:03]  * desrt will probably be on again in a few hours from EWR
[16:03] <seb128> - desktop updates and bug fixes for raring
[16:03] <seb128> - started looking a bit more into the plans for system settings and indicators for next cycles/ubuntu touch
[16:03] <seb128> - reviewed active blueprints, cleaned quite some workitems for the team, we are still behind trend but closer
[16:03] <seb128> - helped testing the new unity and tracking down failing tests to unblock raring landing
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[16:03] <seb128>  
[16:03] <seb128> did I forgot anyone?
[16:04] <seb128> ok, not
[16:04] <seb128> Sweetshark, qengho, didrocks, Laney, kenvandine, mlankhorst, mterry, robru, tkamppeter, attente, desrt, cyphermox:  quick topic, meeting time
[16:04] <didrocks> thanks!
[16:04] <seb128> robru pointed that he would prefer staying on UTC time
[16:04] <seb128> e.g shifting one hour later
[16:04] <kenvandine> i would too
[16:04] <seb128> but that put us late for Europeans
[16:04] <kenvandine> ah
[16:05] <seb128> it means finishing at 7:30pm
[16:05] <qengho> Ow.
[16:05] <mterry>   yikes
[16:05] <kenvandine> i just prefer not accounting for DST, etc
[16:05] <seb128> or 7pm if we are quick
[16:05] <kenvandine> that's too late
[16:05] <qengho> robru: is what, UTC+30 or something?
[16:05] <seb128> lol
[16:05] <kenvandine> hehe
[16:06] <seb128> kenvandine, you would prefer having the meeting later then?
[16:07] <kenvandine> no, just tracking some time that is UTC
[16:07] <qengho> I don't want it to shift to 25 minutes in the future from now, FWIW, but it's not a strong opinion.
[16:07] <seb128> is anyone having a "too early" issue with the current time?
[16:07] <robru> is there no other time that works for everybody? I guess european morningtime is too late for north americans...
[16:07] <kenvandine> i'm ok with my local time of the meeting changes, just prefer to have 1 stable time to track it
[16:07] <qengho> I'm all for ignoring DST, though.
[16:07] <kenvandine> not me
[16:08] <seb128> qengho, kenvandine, robru, cyphermox, attente, desrt: ^ guess that's an U.S continent question
[16:08] <robru> I would rather have the meeting at local midnight than local 8Am ;-)
[16:08] <cyphermox> current time is best for me
[16:08] <kenvandine> yeah, google calendar can handle telling me when the meeting is if it is UTC time :)
[16:08] <cyphermox> just before lunch, basically
[16:08] <mterry> This current time isn't too early for me
[16:08] <didrocks> current time is better for me as well
[16:08] <Laney> me too
[16:08] <kenvandine> later would be to hard on the .eu folks
[16:09] <robru> maybe I'll just mail my summary in the night before ;-)
[16:09] <kenvandine> which there are many of
[16:09] <tkamppeter> I like to keep the current time, too 5:30pm in my local time is absolutely OK.
[16:09] <seb128> yeah, I would prefer avoiding conflicting with dinner time
[16:09] <seb128> and finishing at 7:30pm is a bit late, especially for those who start the day early
[16:09] <seb128> ok, let's stay on the current time then
[16:09] <robru> ok, well if we can't shift the time, can we at least pin the time on current UTC? it will be more predictable that way
[16:09] <seb128> robru, feel free to join the eastern meeting if that works better for you
[16:10] <Nafallo> split into one european and one american? :-)
[16:10] <seb128> though it's mostly Xorg oriented, you probably have more topic for that meeting
[16:10] <seb128> Sweetshark, qengho, didrocks, Laney, kenvandine, mlankhorst, mterry, robru, tkamppeter, attente, desrt, cyphermox:  anyone having an issue having the time set on UTC?
[16:10] <robru> seb128, I looked into that one once and it was like 3AM :_)
[16:10] <kenvandine> better for me
[16:10] <seb128> would be one hour earlier in the day in winter
[16:10] <didrocks> fine with me ;)
[16:10] <chrisccoulson> you could just move to a normal timezone :P
[16:10] <robru> noooooo
[16:11] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ;-)
[16:11] <chrisccoulson> heh
[16:11] <cyphermox> yeah it's fine
[16:11] <kenvandine> robru, no... it is like 6:30 pm for me
[16:11] <robru> you guys should all come visit me. you won't want to leave after ;-)
[16:11] <kenvandine> so mid afternoon for you
[16:11] <seb128> ok, thanks everyone
[16:11] <qengho> robru: Maybe you can talk seb into pasting yours from the wiki page.
[16:11] <seb128> we stay on current time
[16:11] <seb128> and stick to UTC
[16:11] <kenvandine> great!
[16:11] <seb128> (will be one hour earlier in the day next winter)
[16:11] <seb128> any other topic
[16:11] <seb128> questions/comments?
[16:11] <robru> seb128, ok, so what is the official canonical meeting time? 1600UTC?
[16:12] <Laney> 1630
[16:12] <seb128> 15h30 UTC
[16:12] <didrocks> 1530UTC
[16:12] <kenvandine> 1330UTC
[16:12] <Laney> -1
[16:12] <kenvandine> whoops
[16:12] <kenvandine> 1530
[16:12] <Laney> haha
[16:12] <seb128> lol
[16:12] <robru> ok
[16:12] <didrocks> seb128: see, only the French are right! :)
[16:12] <kenvandine> so 8:30 for you robru
[16:12] <seb128> didrocks, I was going to say
[16:12] <qengho> Metric system superioirty
[16:12] <didrocks> clearly…
[16:13] <seb128> ok, that's a wrap then
[16:13] <seb128> thanks everyone
[16:14] <Laney> thanks!
[16:14] <didrocks> thanks!
[16:14] <didrocks> robru: hey, so you had questions on the email, mind having them here (or in a hangout if you prefer?)
[16:14] <seb128> oh, and please clean your workitems/postpone the ones you will not get to
[16:14] <robru> didrocks, yeah, you said you were going to explain something about autolanding?
[16:15] <Nafallo> seb128: you ignored me :-(
[16:15] <Nafallo> ;-)
[16:15] <didrocks> robru: oh yeah, we can webbrowser-app together
[16:15] <seb128> Nafallo, splitting the meeting in european and american? yeah, was a good one to ignore ;-)
[16:15] <mitya57> attente: trying to build indicator-keyboard, I get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5692747/
[16:16] <robru> ugh.... google calendar is very confused. it thinks this meeting is always 10:30 AM this week, and always 8:30 Am the following week (regardless of what week I am looking at)
[16:16] <mitya57> perhaps insufficient build-deps?
[16:16] <didrocks> robru: prefer a hangout? I don't mind if you have your breakfast/tea at the same time as long as you are eating French bread of course :)
[16:16] <attente> mitya57, it requires a new ibus
[16:16] <robru> didrocks, I am all out of french bread ;-)
[16:16] <robru> didrocks, ok, do a hangout
[16:16] <attente> i have it in this ppa: https://launchpad.net/~attente/+archive/indicator-keyboard
[16:17]  * Laney invites robru to his one :P
[16:17] <mitya57> attente: that's what I meant by "insufficient build-deps" :)
[16:17] <mitya57> thanks for working on it btw!
[16:17] <attente> ah, sorry
[16:17] <didrocks> robru: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/d47fb833ed9891c4276980dd00dc9cb5a65f7582?authuser=0&hl=fr
[16:17] <attente> you're right
[16:17] <Nafallo> seb128: lol. meanie ;-)
[16:38] <robru> didrocks, https://code.launchpad.net/~robru/webbrowser-app/bootstrap/+merge/157911
[16:39] <didrocks> robru: https://launchpad.net/cupstream2distro-config
[16:40] <Nafallo> Laney: oooh. quick work. cheers! :-)
[16:54] <robru> didrocks, https://code.launchpad.net/~robru/cupstream2distro-config/webbrowser-app/+merge/157917
[17:38] <cecylia> Please someone to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sessioninstaller/+bug/1049467
[17:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1049467 in sessioninstaller (Ubuntu) "Multimedia codec installer says "Python", rather than the name of the process/application (e.g. Rhythmbox, Videos) that requested the codec." [High,Confirmed]
[17:39] <mlankhorst> oh back
[17:49] <robru> didrocks, bah, purging all those PPAs made me lose libhud-qt-qml, so I can't run camera-app anymore. but I guess tomorrow I will be able to continue pursuing this with a more pristine installation ;-)
[17:49] <didrocks> robru: yeah, sounds like a better plan to me :)
[17:49] <robru> didrocks, ok, I must grab some breakfast, then when I get back I have over 100 emails to read ;-)
[17:49] <robru> bye
[17:49] <didrocks> robru: I hope with bread! ttyl ;)
[17:49] <robru> (I think they are all bug reports for friends ;-)
[18:13]  * didrocks waves good evening
[20:43] <dobey> robert_ancell: hey. is there any way to make lightdm use "extended display" mode instead of "mirror display" that doesn't involve making it run a script that runs xrandr stuff on startup?
[20:55] <bryce> dobey, you mean like setting it in your xorg.conf?
[20:55] <bryce> (if so, the answer is yes!)
[21:00] <dobey> bryce: uhm, without creating an xorg.conf either?
[21:04] <Sarvatt> dobey: org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xrandr default-monitors-setup theoretically, except they based the extend mode being default thing on a fedora only xserver patch :)
[21:05] <robert_ancell> dobey, in unity-greeter?
[21:05] <dobey> robert_ancell: yeah
[21:06] <robert_ancell> dobey, OK. LightDM isn't involve in the monitor layout so you either set the X default as bryce said or you configure it for the lightdm user (which is what the greeter runs as) as Sarvatt said
[21:07] <ogra_> except the except ...
[21:08] <Sarvatt> it's only default to extend mode in fedora via http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/xorg-x11-server.git/tree/xserver-1.6.99-right-of.patch , xserver defaults to mirror for everyone else but the g-s-d option is based on the fedora changes
[21:10] <dobey> and that change is in Ubuntu, because Fedora works so well with upstreams, right? right?
[21:10] <ogra_> hey, at least we can strike back with a Mir only patch  :P
[21:12] <Sarvatt> dobey: we can pick it up next cycle, too late for raring so xorg.conf it is :(
[21:15] <dobey> Sarvatt: i would much prefer "magic" and no config at all :)
[21:15] <bryce> dobey, this just for your local system or for putting in the distro, or...?  (usecase time...)
[21:16] <bryce> if you're not entirely anti-config file solutions, you can also set a system level monitors.xml file
[21:18] <dobey> bryce: well, on my system, but useful for everyone i think. i currently have a temporary video card to get multi-head working, until my intel kernel bug gets fixed. so when i pull the current card to test intel, i don't want to end up with a broken config that i have to tweak just to test the system. so i really want to avoid any config that specifies which hardware/outputs are used
[21:18] <ogra_> funnily that problem doesnt arise if you use one of the proprietary drivers with their config gui tools ...
[21:19] <bryce> maybe at /etc/gnome-settings-daemon/xrandr/monitors.xml or some permutation
[21:21] <bryce> dobey, yet another option is xorg.conf.d snippets.  but I think the system level monitors.xml is the style of magic you're looking for.  Just copy ~/.config/monitors.xml to the above path, reboot and see if it works.
[21:24] <dobey> bryce: hrmm, that might be halfway acceptable for now. looks like it does have the correct config for both GPUs
[21:26] <bryce> dobey, as to making it work for everyone... making X do extended by default is not hard, however there's corner cases where that can leave the user with a bad experience (or worse), which is why it's mirrored.
[21:29] <dobey> well, maybe Mir/Wayland will be able to handle that better
[21:29] <dobey> hopefully
[21:29] <dobey> will not be great for the whole "converged" experience if they can't
[21:43] <bryce> dobey, totally agreed.
[22:02] <dobey> anyone know where /usr/share/unity-scopes/scope-runner-dbus.py comes from for the hundred scopes stuff?