[00:08] <mwhudson> er, morning?
[00:13] <chilts> afternoon
[08:44] <Atamira> are there any linux users in christchurch? or businesses even that use linux?
[08:59] <olly> Atamira: egressive (now part of catalyst)
[08:59] <Atamira> ooo
[08:59] <olly> or at least they do open source, so it would seem surprising if linux isn't involved
[08:59] <Atamira> sweet
[08:59] <Atamira> do they have a lug in chch?
[09:01] <olly> looks like there is (or was) a canterbury lug
[09:01] <Atamira> oh cool thanks olly
[19:16] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:18] <ajmitch> afternoon
[19:20] <ibeardslee> afternoon? where are you atm?
[19:22] <ajmitch> the US
[19:37] <ojwb> morning
[20:26] <lifeless> Atamira: there are linux folk in Christchurch, yes.
[20:27] <lifeless> Atamira: the lug seems dead, but there is tvic, and many folk that just do it without getting social
[20:34] <snail> lifeless: when i was down there there were a bunch of folks at uni using linux
[20:35] <lifeless> I should hope so :)
[20:35] <snail> comp sci / physics / astronomy / chemistry
[20:35] <snail> are you at uni?
[20:35] <lifeless> there's probably 10-15 K folk
[20:35] <lifeless> in the christchurch region
[20:35] <lifeless> and probably 2K home Linux users.
[20:36] <lifeless> snail: me, LOL, no.
[20:36] <lifeless> snail: I keep dallying with the idea of going back and getting some paper for the wall
[20:37] <snail> i have paper for the wall, i'm just too lazy to hang it
[20:38] <lifeless> I dropped out back in 1995 - I started uni at 16, which - hindsight - was too early : I hadn't learnt how to apply myself to anything
[20:38] <snail> i have trouble leaving...
[20:39]  * ibeardslee did one uni paper, put him off the idea of trying to study information systems after being 'in the business' for a number of years.
[20:41] <ibeardslee> seriously a 200 level paper should be doing something better than teaching visual basic for applications with ms access
[20:45] <snail> i don't support anyone else is working with https://tuakiri.ac.nz/ ?
[21:02] <chilts> morning
[21:07] <hads> The CLUG list is still going
[21:10] <lifeless> oh look, Yet Another Federated Login system
[21:14] <thumper> morning
[21:27] <snail> lifeless: i see your cynicism and raise you one government department, four CRIs and six universities
[21:28] <lifeless> snail: Is it at least standards based?
[21:28] <lifeless> and not roll-your-own-standard?
[21:28] <G> lifeless: hmmmm interesting, kind of in the same category myself, the arguements against doing higher education earlier didn't work at the time
[21:28] <snail> lifeless: yep, shibboleth / internet2 based
[21:29] <lifeless> snail: well, thats something :)
[21:29] <lifeless> G: when nothing has been *hard*, you have no basis for comparison
[21:30] <snail> lifeless: until you have to explain to a theology prof why your standard is named after the first recorded incident of ethnic cleansing...
[21:30] <lifeless> G: and then the uni curve is steep, so you get so far in - e.g. a couple years, and then bam, its like a phase change.
[21:30] <G> should one be worried about the fact that they are still advertising a December '12 outage as a future event
[21:31] <snail> G: as it happens i'm having a phone call with them this morning about that every thing (amongst others)
[21:31] <G> lifeless: yeah, my problem was the reaction etc was more "Are you insane?" etc, instead of "well if you stay you'll be better of because X, Y, Z"
[21:45] <lifeless> G: stay where? at high school? I'd already passed 7th form math and compsci, had no reason to stay
[21:47] <mwhudson> mornign
[21:47] <G> lifeless: yeah, I'd done 7th form math, but I do kind of wished I just switched schools and did 7th form anyway
[21:48] <lifeless> mwhudson: highbank in raring uses linux-image-generic.
[21:49] <mwhudson> lifeless: interesting
[21:49] <lifeless> mwhudson: saw it go by in #u-d
[21:49] <mwhudson> on the subject of education, /me is glad that i avoided (a) getting pushed up a year at any point (b) doing compsci at uni...
[21:53] <thumper> lifeless: highbank
[21:53] <thumper> ?
[21:53] <mwhudson> calxeda arm server thingy
[21:54] <mwhudson> i admit i can never remember which codename refers to which bit
[22:19] <G> talking of ARM,  HP Moonshot looks neat, will be interesting to see the ARM based blades/cartridges/'term' that come out
[22:22]  * ibeardslee is waiting to see what sort of real x86/64 'desktop replacement' the 64bit ARM will be able to do.
[22:23] <mwhudson> ibeardslee: the desktop is dying, didn't you year?
[22:23] <mwhudson> *hear
[22:23] <lifeless> I should watch our internal briefing thingy for moonshot
[22:23] <lifeless> ENOTIME
[22:25] <ojwb> mwhudson: i think it's more that they're trying to kill the desktop...
[22:25] <G> "The desktop is dead, long live the desktop?" ;)
[22:26] <ibeardslee> The desktop ain't really dying so much as morphing into other devices
[22:27] <ibeardslee> for a lot of people the desktop has turning into a laptop being used as a desktop
[22:27] <ibeardslee> s/turning/turned/
[22:27] <G> yep - although unless I can find a new laptop that does what I want, I'll be replacing my laptop with a Desktop
[22:27] <ibeardslee> and media centres and game consoles are replacing the other functions
[22:28] <ibeardslee> G: My Ultralap has replaced my home PC.
[22:28] <lifeless> G: what do you want out of a laptop?
[22:29] <G> I'd love to find a laptop that *gasp* a) only has a discrete graphics, or b) a descrete graphics device with the actual option to turn the integrated off (i.e. a non-muxless design)
[22:29] <lifeless> G: HP probably has something, or failing that Alienware
[22:29] <G> hmmmm good point on Alienware
[22:30] <lifeless> G: what form factors are ok for you ?
[22:30] <G> lifeless: to be honest, anything that isn't too small of a screen (definately no less than 14")
[22:30] <lifeless> G: ok, so you want a behemoth
[22:30] <G> it's almost always hooked up to external display
[22:34] <lifeless> what about http://www8.hp.com/nz/en/products/laptops/product-detail.html?oid=5212912
[22:34] <lifeless> Discrete: AMD Radeon HD 7570M (1 GB GDDR5 dedicated)
[22:36] <ibeardslee> HP are good that if you care enough you can get a laptop without the legacy OS
[22:36] <G> lifeless: ohhh that looks like something I could live with :)
[22:37] <G> lifeless: except that has the Integrated, so the question if it's actually able to disable the Intel chip
[22:38]  * ojwb has been slightly underwhelmed with the linux compatibility of his hp laptop
[22:38] <lifeless> G: well, I just started looking ...
[22:38] <ojwb> the wireless card only has an out of tree driver which crashes the kernel
[22:38] <lifeless> ojwb: sadface :(
[22:38] <ojwb> it claims to have overheated each time it reboots too - i think there's some windows thing which must reset something to stop that
[22:39] <lifeless> ojwb: My 9470m is pretty much perfect, compat wise.
[22:39] <ojwb> it does run hot too, but it hasn't overheated every time
[22:39] <ojwb> oddly I discovered the wife of a friend in the UK has a seemingly identical model, but with a different built in wireless which works
[22:40] <G> lifeless: hmmm, the 8570w might be more me tbh
[22:40] <G> it has the nVidia Optimus - which iirc normally comes with the BIOS option to disable
[22:40] <mwhudson> G: i didn't think that it was possible to get newer intel mobile chips without the gpu in them...
[22:41] <ojwb> ibeardslee: i've actually just bought my first desktop since moving to NZ 5 years ago
[22:41] <G> mwhudson: yeah, but some you can disable in BIOS (AFAIU)
[22:44] <lifeless> G: if I had a discrete chip in this I would check for you
[22:44] <G> lifeless: no problem
[22:44] <lifeless> G: but HP is pretty sane about allowing customers to do WTF they want with their hardware, assuming it is capable ofit.
[22:44] <lifeless> [of course, I have to claim that, working there and all]
[22:45] <G> lifeless: yeah, as I understand it, the hardware vendors (i.e. AMD) changed the spec, and went from a user's choice to 'no getting around this'
[22:46] <lifeless> well, don't get an AMD chipset :)
[22:49] <G> hmmm so it looks like the 'w' models may be want I'm looking for
[22:53] <G> but at that price it'd be cheaper to build a basic desktop, and just use a tablet for mobility
[22:54]  * ojwb contemplates a small desktop full of helium with a tablet bolted to the side
[22:56] <G> ojwb: you'd need a UPS unit in that configuration
[22:56] <ojwb> ah, i have that part covered
[22:57] <ojwb> I'll produce the helium by fusing hydrogen, and use the heat generated to power it
[22:57] <ojwb> what could possibly go wrong...
[22:57] <mwhudson> i don't think they make tokamaks that fit in your pocket yet
[22:57] <ibeardslee> a hole bigger than Taupo?
[22:57] <mwhudson> or inertial confinement lasers
[22:57] <G> ojwb: hmmm, I like that idea