[00:08] er, morning? [00:13] afternoon [08:44] are there any linux users in christchurch? or businesses even that use linux? [08:59] Atamira: egressive (now part of catalyst) [08:59] ooo [08:59] or at least they do open source, so it would seem surprising if linux isn't involved [08:59] sweet [08:59] do they have a lug in chch? [09:01] looks like there is (or was) a canterbury lug [09:01] oh cool thanks olly [19:16] morning [19:18] afternoon [19:20] afternoon? where are you atm? [19:22] the US [19:37] morning [20:26] Atamira: there are linux folk in Christchurch, yes. [20:27] Atamira: the lug seems dead, but there is tvic, and many folk that just do it without getting social [20:34] lifeless: when i was down there there were a bunch of folks at uni using linux [20:35] I should hope so :) [20:35] comp sci / physics / astronomy / chemistry [20:35] are you at uni? [20:35] there's probably 10-15 K folk [20:35] in the christchurch region [20:35] and probably 2K home Linux users. [20:36] snail: me, LOL, no. [20:36] snail: I keep dallying with the idea of going back and getting some paper for the wall [20:37] i have paper for the wall, i'm just too lazy to hang it [20:38] I dropped out back in 1995 - I started uni at 16, which - hindsight - was too early : I hadn't learnt how to apply myself to anything [20:38] i have trouble leaving... [20:39] * ibeardslee did one uni paper, put him off the idea of trying to study information systems after being 'in the business' for a number of years. [20:41] seriously a 200 level paper should be doing something better than teaching visual basic for applications with ms access [20:45] i don't support anyone else is working with https://tuakiri.ac.nz/ ? [21:02] morning [21:07] The CLUG list is still going [21:10] oh look, Yet Another Federated Login system [21:14] morning [21:27] lifeless: i see your cynicism and raise you one government department, four CRIs and six universities [21:28] snail: Is it at least standards based? [21:28] and not roll-your-own-standard? [21:28] lifeless: hmmmm interesting, kind of in the same category myself, the arguements against doing higher education earlier didn't work at the time [21:28] lifeless: yep, shibboleth / internet2 based [21:29] snail: well, thats something :) [21:29] G: when nothing has been *hard*, you have no basis for comparison [21:30] lifeless: until you have to explain to a theology prof why your standard is named after the first recorded incident of ethnic cleansing... [21:30] G: and then the uni curve is steep, so you get so far in - e.g. a couple years, and then bam, its like a phase change. [21:30] should one be worried about the fact that they are still advertising a December '12 outage as a future event [21:31] G: as it happens i'm having a phone call with them this morning about that every thing (amongst others) [21:31] lifeless: yeah, my problem was the reaction etc was more "Are you insane?" etc, instead of "well if you stay you'll be better of because X, Y, Z" [21:45] G: stay where? at high school? I'd already passed 7th form math and compsci, had no reason to stay [21:47] mornign [21:47] lifeless: yeah, I'd done 7th form math, but I do kind of wished I just switched schools and did 7th form anyway [21:48] mwhudson: highbank in raring uses linux-image-generic. [21:49] lifeless: interesting [21:49] mwhudson: saw it go by in #u-d [21:49] on the subject of education, /me is glad that i avoided (a) getting pushed up a year at any point (b) doing compsci at uni... [21:53] lifeless: highbank [21:53] ? [21:53] calxeda arm server thingy [21:54] i admit i can never remember which codename refers to which bit [22:19] talking of ARM, HP Moonshot looks neat, will be interesting to see the ARM based blades/cartridges/'term' that come out [22:22] * ibeardslee is waiting to see what sort of real x86/64 'desktop replacement' the 64bit ARM will be able to do. [22:23] ibeardslee: the desktop is dying, didn't you year? [22:23] *hear [22:23] I should watch our internal briefing thingy for moonshot [22:23] ENOTIME [22:25] mwhudson: i think it's more that they're trying to kill the desktop... [22:25] "The desktop is dead, long live the desktop?" ;) [22:26] The desktop ain't really dying so much as morphing into other devices [22:27] for a lot of people the desktop has turning into a laptop being used as a desktop [22:27] s/turning/turned/ [22:27] yep - although unless I can find a new laptop that does what I want, I'll be replacing my laptop with a Desktop [22:27] and media centres and game consoles are replacing the other functions [22:28] G: My Ultralap has replaced my home PC. [22:28] G: what do you want out of a laptop? [22:29] I'd love to find a laptop that *gasp* a) only has a discrete graphics, or b) a descrete graphics device with the actual option to turn the integrated off (i.e. a non-muxless design) [22:29] G: HP probably has something, or failing that Alienware [22:29] hmmmm good point on Alienware [22:30] G: what form factors are ok for you ? [22:30] lifeless: to be honest, anything that isn't too small of a screen (definately no less than 14") [22:30] G: ok, so you want a behemoth [22:30] it's almost always hooked up to external display [22:34] what about http://www8.hp.com/nz/en/products/laptops/product-detail.html?oid=5212912 [22:34] Discrete: AMD Radeon HD 7570M (1 GB GDDR5 dedicated) [22:36] HP are good that if you care enough you can get a laptop without the legacy OS [22:36] lifeless: ohhh that looks like something I could live with :) [22:37] lifeless: except that has the Integrated, so the question if it's actually able to disable the Intel chip [22:38] * ojwb has been slightly underwhelmed with the linux compatibility of his hp laptop [22:38] G: well, I just started looking ... [22:38] the wireless card only has an out of tree driver which crashes the kernel [22:38] ojwb: sadface :( [22:38] it claims to have overheated each time it reboots too - i think there's some windows thing which must reset something to stop that [22:39] ojwb: My 9470m is pretty much perfect, compat wise. [22:39] it does run hot too, but it hasn't overheated every time [22:39] oddly I discovered the wife of a friend in the UK has a seemingly identical model, but with a different built in wireless which works [22:40] lifeless: hmmm, the 8570w might be more me tbh [22:40] it has the nVidia Optimus - which iirc normally comes with the BIOS option to disable [22:40] G: i didn't think that it was possible to get newer intel mobile chips without the gpu in them... [22:41] ibeardslee: i've actually just bought my first desktop since moving to NZ 5 years ago [22:41] mwhudson: yeah, but some you can disable in BIOS (AFAIU) [22:44] G: if I had a discrete chip in this I would check for you [22:44] lifeless: no problem [22:44] G: but HP is pretty sane about allowing customers to do WTF they want with their hardware, assuming it is capable ofit. [22:44] [of course, I have to claim that, working there and all] [22:45] lifeless: yeah, as I understand it, the hardware vendors (i.e. AMD) changed the spec, and went from a user's choice to 'no getting around this' [22:46] well, don't get an AMD chipset :) [22:49] hmmm so it looks like the 'w' models may be want I'm looking for [22:53] but at that price it'd be cheaper to build a basic desktop, and just use a tablet for mobility [22:54] * ojwb contemplates a small desktop full of helium with a tablet bolted to the side [22:56] ojwb: you'd need a UPS unit in that configuration [22:56] ah, i have that part covered [22:57] I'll produce the helium by fusing hydrogen, and use the heat generated to power it [22:57] what could possibly go wrong... [22:57] i don't think they make tokamaks that fit in your pocket yet [22:57] a hole bigger than Taupo? [22:57] or inertial confinement lasers [22:57] ojwb: hmmm, I like that idea