[08:00] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:00] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:12] <Laney> thatcher overload
[08:12] <Laney> might have to turn radio 4 off
[08:19] <jacobw> Morning
[08:19] <jacobw> Bachman Thatcher Overdrive
[08:25] <MooDoo> you should see the papers :S
[08:27] <mungbean> newspapers? what's that?
[08:27] <MooDoo> lol
[08:27] <mungbean> is that when people print out news websites onto paper?
[08:27] <MooDoo> yup apparently so
[08:27] <mungbean> what a waste
[08:29] <MooDoo> and on the TV news this morning, I watched a fight....sigh
[08:48] <JamesTait> Good morning, and happy Equal Pay Day! :-D
[08:49] <popey> here's your cut-out-and-keep JamesTait http://paste.ubuntu.com/5691777/
[08:50] <JamesTait> :D
[08:51] <JamesTait> popey, it's just missing the dates!
[08:51] <MooDoo> seems like you're only here fridays and monday ;) today being the exception lol
[08:52] <JamesTait> Also, I'm very suspicious of anything that suggests I'm awake before 9am, especially on a Friday. ;)
[08:52] <MooDoo> lol
[08:54] <JamesTait> MooDoo, maybe I'm just not as creative on Mondays and Fridays?
[08:54] <JamesTait> MooDoo, or those are the days I forget about daysoftheyear.com ;)
[08:55] <MooDoo> lol
[08:56] <MooDoo> anyone here going for loco council?
[09:02] <Laney> this morning is a morning for Marquee Moon
[09:40] <MooDoo> It's oh so quiet.sshhhh shhhh
[09:42] <SuperMatt> It's oh so still.sshhhh shhhh
[09:43] <shauno> you're all alone
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: You too? One of the people at Starbucks was singing that as well (because there was no queue)
[09:45] <MooDoo> pah, you mean people are actually working?
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: I think they were all late for work tbh
[09:47] <MooDoo> lol
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: the train station was almost empty, at 8:45!
[09:47] <MooDoo> half term still isn't it?
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: not in this country
[09:49] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: it is for nottingham, still half term, that explains why it's quiet up here
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: it explains why they had time to make this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASUUN0W4_JY
[09:51] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:54] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:55] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:55] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: are you bored? ;)
[09:57] <bigcalm> Hi peeps :)
[09:57] <MooDoo> howdy
[09:58] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:58] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:02] <mungbean> ok, after following 30 steps to remove the battery from hp touchpad, the thing is glued in. not cool , hp
[10:02] <mungbean> if the battery wasn't broken before, it is now
[10:03] <bigcalm> Nice
[10:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mukka 'ow am ya
[10:03] <MooDoo> davmor2: alreet youf
[10:04] <davmor2> MooDoo: r good ta
[10:04] <MooDoo> long time no speak, in ere at lease
[10:04] <MooDoo> least
[10:05]  * bigcalm sneezes excessively
[10:06] <MooDoo> bless you
[10:06] <davmor2> MooDoo: you don't bless people for sneezing you curse them for making a row ;)
[10:08] <MooDoo> well i was thinking of chainsaw across the forehead, but maybe that's a bit extreame
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: nah, waiting for the testsuite to finish :)
[10:19] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: there is nothing extreme about waiting for a testcase to finish ;)
[10:21] <popey> busy busy busy
[10:22] <shauno> ...bumblee bee!
[10:22] <davmor2> popey: you can't be that busy there aren't 72hours in a day :P
[10:22] <MooDoo> davmor2: your facebook tests failed :p
[10:22] <MooDoo> didn't see them
[10:22] <davmor2> MooDoo: they did yesterday that's why I was testing them :)
[10:23] <MooDoo> davmor2: :)
[10:30] <mungbean> interesting for a touhcopad owner: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/tenderloin
[10:31]  * mungbean has a working tablet again. thanks ebay
[10:31] <mungbean> and ifixit
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: do you have the ifxit repair kit?
[10:31]  * MartijnVdS has the "Advanced" one.. so many tools in one!
[10:31] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: er the what?
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: ^
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: wrong m<tab>, sorry
[10:34] <MooDoo> s'ok :)
[10:42] <mungbean> huh MartijnVdS ?
[10:43] <bigcalm> Anybody using SparkleShare know how set-up a headless client?
[10:43] <mungbean> i have the ifixit webpage and a metal spudger and a plastic spudger and a plectrum
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: I have the complete "Advanced" kit they offer
[10:43] <mungbean> nice
[10:43] <mungbean> its a useful website
[10:43] <mungbean> second time i have repaired my touchpad
[10:44] <mungbean> replacing battery was serious work though
[10:45] <directhex> bigcalm, huh, good question, i don't know if they support that
[10:49] <bigcalm> directhex: ho-hum :)
[10:50] <bigcalm> I've just moved my SparkleShare directory onto a samba share and added the <folder_path> option to the config.xml. Doesn't appear to be working yet though :(
[11:10] <bigcalm> Server reboot time, yay
[11:13] <Nafallo> bigcalm: should have opted in for Uptrack while it was available ;-)
[11:14] <bigcalm> ?
[11:14] <Nafallo> http://www.ksplice.com/
[11:16] <bigcalm> o.O
[11:16] <MooDoo> wow ksplice has been around for years
[11:16] <bigcalm> Sounds like overkill for my home server
[11:17] <Nafallo> get a girlfriend and you'll reconsider ;-)
[11:17] <MooDoo> bigcalm: what you talking about, my home server has been up 12 days now ;)
[11:17] <Nafallo> "what do you mean I can't watch sex and the city?!?"
[11:18] <bigcalm> Nafallo: I have a fiancée who is happy with the VirginMedia V+ box
[11:19] <mungbean> i have a wife who was less upset than me when the pvr wiped our whole library
[11:20] <mungbean> if i have a GPU lockup bug that occurred when not using unity, should i mention it in the bug report, and will it still be considered?
[11:20] <Nafallo> bigcalm: you're saying that Virgin box is not running Ubuntu yet? ;-)
[11:20] <mungbean> or is a gpu lockup pretty much standard across all DEs
[11:23] <ali1234> it depends what type of GPU it is
[11:23] <ali1234> if it is nvidia or ATI there is no point reporting it at all
[11:23] <mungbean> sandybridge intel
[11:23] <ali1234> if it is intel you should report it to bugs.freedesktop.org
[11:24] <ali1234> what DE you use is irrelevant
[11:24] <mungbean> reported on launchpad as it submitted crash reports
[11:24] <mungbean> launchpad should send upstream right?
[11:24] <mungbean> ....right?
[11:24] <ali1234> no
[11:25] <ali1234> if you don't upstream it yourself this is what will happen
[11:25] <ali1234> in about 6 months someone will ask you if the bug still happens
[11:25] <ali1234> if you don't answer they will close the bug
[11:25] <ali1234> if you answer, then in another 6 months they will ask you again
[11:26] <mungbean> :(
[11:27] <Myrtti> of course the mail man came around with a parcel too big to fit in when I was mopping up a pint of water our kettle had decided it didn't want to boil from the kitchen floor.
[11:28] <Myrtti> grrh
[11:28] <bigcalm> class ControllerController extends Controller
[11:28]  * bigcalm giggles
[11:46] <mungbean> got the gpu lockup again :(
[11:49] <popey> can you ssh in from another machine?
[11:49] <popey> or switch to tty0
[11:50] <popey> mungbean: also, what release of ubuntu is it?
[11:51] <popey> http://www.tesco.com/direct/technika-barcelona-bluetooth-speaker/515-4294.prd tempting
[11:52] <mungbean> popey: 12.04
[11:52] <mungbean> ali1234: bryce harrington seems to forawrd launchpad bugs to freedesktop
[11:53] <mungbean> #1166726
[11:53] <MartijnVdS> popey: I have one of these that I don't use: http://www.ionaudio.com/products/details/roadrocker
[11:54] <popey> blimey, thats huge ☻
[11:54] <bigcalm> popey: odd. It states "Battery only". But if you look at the rear of the device there is a usb socket with the label "DC 5V"
[11:54] <MartijnVdS> popey: it makes a lot of sound too :)
[11:54] <popey> bigcalm: for charging
[11:54] <bigcalm> I see
[11:54] <popey> Q. How much sound?
[11:54] <popey> A. A lot.
[11:55] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: that looks like it could produce a better quality sound than the think I bought: http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=1041
[11:56] <mungbean> bug #1166726
[11:56] <popey> blimey, you bought one?
[11:56] <bigcalm> popey: on a whim, yes
[11:57] <bigcalm> popey: works quite well for what it is. Using it to listen to podcasts in the kitchen and will be used in hotel rooms for spotify
[11:57] <davmor2> popey: did you not see his whole twitter episode about it
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: it has a nice bass :)
[11:57] <popey> mungbean: probably a duplicate of bug 899159?
[11:58] <popey> I quite like the look of the tesco one, because a) cheap.
[11:58] <popey> and it has an aux in too, so can plug in random non-bluetooth devices, like kids ipods
[11:58] <popey> also, friend of mine got the creative D80
[11:59] <bigcalm> popey: get one and then lets compare the audio quality with the Boombero :)
[11:59] <mungbean> popey: i don't know if the 0x54301920913 makes a difference?
[11:59] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Creative-Wireless-Bluetooth-Speaker-Android/dp/B0056XMVZS
[11:59]  * TheOpenSourcerer needs some air. Going to pop out to lunch somewhere...
[11:59] <popey> wise!
[11:59] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: burger at the maltings :D
[11:59] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: apparently 700 quid to fix my volvo
[11:59] <popey> (dashboard)
[11:59] <popey> bah
[11:59] <Nafallo> volvo!
[12:00] <bigcalm> popey: the tank is still running then?
[12:00] <Nafallo> iz Svensk!
[12:00] <popey> mungbean: ask bryce in #ubuntu-x
[12:00] <popey> bigcalm: yup
[12:00] <popey> but the dashboard no longer works, which is a problem for detecting fuel
[12:00] <mungbean> yeah its a different bug, mine required a reboot
[12:01] <bigcalm> And speed?
[12:01] <Nafallo> also, I've got the Creative D100, and it's full of awesome.
[12:01] <popey> nah
[12:01] <popey> oh, the d80 has no battery
[12:01] <popey> i want battery
[12:02] <Nafallo> yeah, the D100 takes four batteries, and last for literately ages.
[12:02] <popey> too spendy
[12:11] <Nafallo> huh?
[12:11] <Nafallo> too spendy?
[12:11] <mungbean> geary funding at 23%..16 days left, hmmm
[12:11] <Nafallo> as in, the upfront cost or the battery usage?
[12:12] <Nafallo> I tried geary... it doesn't work well for my use-case.
[12:12] <Nafallo> might keep it around on the netbook
[12:12] <mungbean> thats why they are raising money to improve it
[12:12] <mungbean> e.g. no search atm
[12:12] <Nafallo> that was the small issue, yes.
[12:12] <Nafallo> the bigger one was moving mail and it disappearing...
[13:07] <KungFuPanda> hi guys, what is the easest solution:
[13:07] <KungFuPanda> I need upload few files by using ftp user, then want to www-data user to be able to read it.
[13:08] <KungFuPanda> I knew I could chmod permisson after uploaded, but I do not want to  do it everytime.
[13:11] <KungFuPanda> any1 ? all on lunch ?
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> KungFuPanda: You need to re-think the problem, I think
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> Because this is a classic:
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> !xyproblem
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> !xy
[13:14] <KungFuPanda> thanks, I will try to explain X:
[13:14] <KungFuPanda> I got an webapp which using as webuser, the app need to load some data file, which I need to upload it to the server everyday.
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> KungFuPanda: you can make apache run the site as a different user/group
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> KungFuPanda: and upload as a user in that group (to a directory owned by  the group)
[13:16] <Darael> KungFuPanda: One way to do it would be to sgid www-data on the folder to which the file is uploaded.  That assumes having the necessary positions to set the folder that way in the first place.
[13:27] <KungFuPanda> I like sgid solution.:-D
[13:27] <KungFuPanda> if I create an folder which own by www-data under /var/www, then I create symbolic link under my ftp user home. then when I use ftp user upload file into that folder. is that will work?
[13:27] <KungFuPanda> www-data own that folder, but do not own these files. is that will work ?
[13:29] <MartijnVdS> sure, as long as it can read them (read up on unix permissions :))
[13:30] <KungFuPanda> Great! thanks a lot
[13:32] <davmor2> KungFuPanda: does the file name change? if not sync it instead.  the other possibility might be to simply link it.  so you upload the file to directory x and then link it to directory y where y has the correct access for the webapp
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> also, ftp tends to not be the best solution
[13:35] <KungFuPanda> yeh, the files name random, my code just look for that folder, if there are files, will load it. but I will try that, thanks a lot
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> it being insecure etc.
[15:03] <Myrtti> I'm wondering should I order more of those socks.
[15:03] <Myrtti> still when there's a -25% offer on them
[15:08] <jacobw> You can always use more socks
[15:13] <mungbean> really? i only have 2 feet
[15:13] <MooDoo> mungbean: you mean you don't make sock puppets with your access socks?
[15:16] <kvarley> Is there a way to resize raw qemu-img files to their physical size on disk. At present the virtual size is 32GB but there is only 1 partition on there which constitutes about 7GB
[15:17] <mungbean> MooDoo: my wife does in fact
[15:17] <mungbean> she makes sock monkeys
[15:17] <Laney> i'm accidently listening to the spice girls
[15:17] <Laney> this is GREAT
[15:17] <MooDoo> awesome :) I bought one of them at a local church fair the other day :) a pink one.
[15:18] <mungbean> but all my socks are black so missing socks are just reducing the pool size
[15:18] <MooDoo> mungbean: she wasn't selling them in calverton notts the other day was she ;)
[15:18] <mungbean> no :P
[15:18] <MooDoo> wasn't her then :)
[15:19] <mungbean> what comeback do you have when buying online and they mis-descibe it?
[15:19] <mungbean> who pays postage for return of item?
[15:19] <mungbean> if they claim it is $BRAND item and it's chinese knock0ff?
[15:20] <Lil-|^Red> Can you get the seller on Amazon to pay the return postal costs ?
[15:21] <kvarley> mungbean: don't amazon give you freepost labels?
[15:21] <mungbean> even if a amazon market place?
[15:21] <kvarley> mungbean: Not sure but I think so
[15:21] <Laney> file an a-z guarantee claim
[15:22] <Lil-|^Red> I thnk they do , come to mention it.
[15:23] <mungbean> i haven't bought it yet, but its diffcult to buy items that are imported because no official shop sells them
[15:24] <mungbean> looks like i'm blowing my fun budget this mont
[15:25] <MooDoo> my fun budget was for the new bioshock game lol
[15:26] <mungbean> i'm buying an airbrush and lots of accesories
[15:35] <bigcalm> MooDoo: the new BS game - does one need to have played the previous games to enjoy this one?
[15:36] <MooDoo> bigcalm: I hope not as I've not played the others.
[15:36] <bigcalm> MooDoo: oh, you haven't played it yet then
[15:36] <Darael> kvarley: if there's free space enough, cp --sparse=always and delete the original.
[15:36] <MooDoo> bigcalm: I got it through steam it's 14GB
[15:37] <bigcalm> :O
[15:37] <MooDoo> yeah ouch
[15:37] <Darael> kvarley: There is no way I know of to make files sparse in-place, unfortunately.  But if there isn't space enough, try moving it to an external disk and bringing it back with cp --sparse.
[15:37] <bigcalm> MooDoo: That sounds like a lot of cut scenes
[15:37] <Darael> kvarley: (I realise I'm twenty minutes late...)
[15:37] <kvarley> Darael: I went with "qemu-img convert -p -O qcow2 x.img y.img" in the end :)
[15:38] <MooDoo> bigcalm: yes what I've seen so far, it's a lot of cust and video
[15:38] <kvarley> Darael: Thanks anyway :)
[15:38] <MooDoo> cut scenes
[15:38] <Darael> kvarley: Ah, a less-generically-applicable but probably more-contextually-relevant solution.  Good going.
[15:38] <kvarley> Darael: Have no idea if it's worked yet, just flashing to my SD card now :P
[15:39] <Lil-|^Red> kvarley: As far as Amazon marketplace sellers paying postage on returning Items : They don't . The buyer has to pay all of the returns postage. http://bit.ly/10QiBvB [Note there is no Pre-paid Consignment Mark]
[15:40] <mungbean> even if its fraud?
[15:40] <kvarley> Lil-|^Red: Ah
[15:40] <mungbean> i.e Gucci wallet, turns out to be asda
[15:40] <kvarley> Get in touch with amazon support and they'll sort it out for you if it's a non-genuine product
[15:41] <kvarley> I imagine they don't want fake products being sold on their site after all :)
[15:41] <Lil-|^Red> mungbean: The only god thing that comes outta Asda is a GeorgeVest IMHO.
[15:41] <kvarley> So much for class 10 SDHC cards, currently writing at 2.6 MB/s to one :(
[15:42] <Darael> Lil-|^Red: Their vests are *holy objects*?!
[15:42] <Lil-|^Red> kvarley: Aren't class six bettr at this ?
[15:44] <Lil-|^Red> Darael: You've lost me there .. perhaps slightly past R.O.C.D.
[15:44] <Darael> Lil-|^Red: Playing on thy typo: "The only god thing"
[15:45] <kvarley> Lil-|^Red: They aren't supposed to be, but in reality yeah
[15:45] <Lil-|^Red> what typo | god never existed !
[15:46] <Darael> Lil-|^Red: 15:41:34 < Lil-|^Red> mungbean: The only god thing that comes outta Asda is a GeorgeVest IMHO.
[15:46] <Darael> ^That typo.
[15:47] <Lil-|^Red> it means little red .
[15:47] <Lil-|^Red> like Lil Jon.
[15:47] <Darael> Lil-|^Red: My apologies.  I meant in the line quoted, not thy nick.
[15:47] <Darael> Lil-|^Red: I should have aligned the caret.
[16:06] <DJones> Can somebody on 13.04 check whether Friends has a twitter account? Friends is working fine for facebook, but there's no way to add a twitter account, wasn't sure if its a bug or whether there's another package that needs installing for twitter
[16:07] <bigcalm> The TV show?
[16:07] <DJones> You wish :)
[16:07] <AlanBell> DJones: yes, it twitters, but the feed doesn't update for me
[16:07] <AlanBell> it just tells you every time since the stone age that anyone mentioned you
[16:07] <AlanBell> then picks up a few tweets each time you tweet I think
[16:08] <DJones> AlanBell: Strange, if I go to online accounts, I don't have an option to add a twitter account to friends
[16:08] <DJones> Pulling down the timeline is updating it when there are new facebook posts
[16:08] <kvarley> DJones: I don't have the option in online accounts either, running from beta2 livecd
[16:10] <DJones> kvarley: Thanks, must be a bug/wip, there's no twitter option at all in Online Accounts now
[16:31] <Lil-|^Red> Darael: Ahh , I see your typo -case-in-point from just under an hour ago. I see that /I/ made the typo and grievous error. 0oops !
[16:40] <Lil-|^Red> OT | Great ! Super ! Just got back from buying 400grams of Saints and Scholars © / 'Pork & Spring Onion' Sausages from the S.market  for ... a Grand.Total of £0.30 .. Aaah, plus mixing-in Irish Stew.. that's one hell of a haul , today.
[17:10] <AlanBell> DJones: with the online accounts thing for facebook did that identify to facebook as safari?
[17:11] <AlanBell> "We detected a login into your account from a new device named "Safari on Linux" on Tuesday 9 April 2013 at 17:10. This device has been added to your account."
[17:12] <DJones> Doesn't appear to, I've got Gwibber and Ubuntu showing as authorised apps
[17:16] <DJones> Gwibber hasn't connected in months, so must just be the Ubuntu account connected today
[17:25] <j0sh^> hey guys, having to use my own ubuntu laptop rather than work macbook at the moment as macbook died
[17:26] <j0sh^> on osx I have this set as my ssh_config:
[17:26] <j0sh^> https://gist.github.com/joshmyers/81c68da2b373382840f5
[17:26] <j0sh^> not working on my ubuntu box ..
[17:27] <j0sh^> but to get to our infrastructure I need to proxy my ssh connections through spring.mydomain.net
[17:27] <popey> I'd put that in .ssh/config
[17:27] <j0sh^> any ideas how I can do this in ubuntu?
[17:27] <j0sh^> be it global or user specific ssh conf ...
[17:28] <j0sh^> for a start I don't have ~/bin/ssh-proxy on this box
[17:28] <popey> ssh-proxy looks like corkscrew
[17:28] <popey> !info corkscrew
[17:29] <j0sh^> I am trying ssh josh@spring.mydomain.net nc %h %p
[17:29] <j0sh^> to no avail
[17:29] <j0sh^> hmm
[17:30] <popey> j0sh^: ^^
[17:31] <j0sh^> ahh
[17:31] <j0sh^> thanks popey ...
[17:31] <j0sh^> will give it a look
[17:31] <j0sh^> i cant see ssh-proxy in repo
[17:33] <popey> which is why i said... ssh-proxy looks like corkscrew
[17:34] <j0sh^> aye
[17:41] <j0sh^> hmm
[17:41] <j0sh^> but im not going through an http proxy popey
[17:47] <AlanBell> j0sh^: what is it you are trying to do?
[17:47] <AlanBell> what is being proxied? http stuff over ssh?
[17:47] <j0sh^> no
[17:48] <j0sh^> I have  < me > ------ < a > --------<b>
[17:48] <j0sh^> i need to connect to b, but can only do so through ssh'ing into A
[17:48] <popey> shhh
[17:48] <popey> er, ahhhh
[17:49] <j0sh^> https://gist.github.com/joshmyers/81c68da2b373382840f5 < my ssh config that allowed me to do it on OSX
[17:49] <popey> ProxyCommand ssh spring.mydomain.net nc -q0 %h %p
[17:49] <popey> try that
[17:49] <AlanBell> ok, so you could ssh to a, then ssh to b, but want a kind of automatic relay at a
[17:49] <j0sh^> (not that I'm a mac fanboy, we just use for work)
[17:49] <popey> thats what we use internally
[17:49] <AlanBell> https://github.com/ShuminHuang/ssh-proxy this thing?
[17:49] <dwatkins> why not just use port forwarding?
[17:50] <popey> dwatkins: cant if you dont control the middle box
[17:50] <popey> the proxycommand above should work fine on ubuntu j0sh^
[17:51] <dwatkins> popey: ah ok, I thought you could do it on a high-numbered port
[17:51] <j0sh^> will try popey :)
[18:06] <j0sh^> popey, like this? https://gist.github.com/joshmyers/dd91d133b8b958e39d40
[18:06] <j0sh^> i want any ssh connections I make to go through spring.mydomain.net
[18:08] <popey> no
[18:08] <popey> 18:49:17 < popey> ProxyCommand ssh spring.mydomain.net nc -q0 %h %p
[18:09] <j0sh^> ok
[18:13] <j0sh^> fs still not working :/
[18:14] <popey> use -vvvv with your ssh command, may help debug
[18:17] <j0sh^> debug1: permanently_drop_suid: 1000
[18:17] <j0sh^> debug3: Incorrect RSA1 identifier
[18:26] <popey> j0sh^: is your ssh key on the remote host?
[18:26] <j0sh^> yes
[18:26] <j0sh^> I can log into hashing out my ssh config
[18:27] <Azelphur> walked into bank today and got accepted for a business account for bitcoin trading, lol
[18:27] <AlanBell> :)
[18:27] <AlanBell> did you have to explain it to them?
[18:27] <Azelphur> yea
[18:27] <Azelphur> I have a pretty quick way of explaining it though now
[18:27] <j0sh^> def using correct key and its loaded into my agent
[18:27] <Azelphur> I just say bitcoin is a virtual currency, and that I'm providing currency exchange.
[18:32] <j0sh^> popey, https://gist.github.com/joshmyers/4806cb35833740721794
[18:32] <j0sh^> no dice :/
[18:33] <kvarley> Do I need any special flags for cp other than -vr when I'm copying one Linux FS to another location?
[18:34] <popey> j0sh^: is your key correct? doesn't look like it
[18:35] <popey> and is that the entire log?
[18:35] <j0sh^> yup
[18:35] <j0sh^> key is correct :/
[18:35] <popey> have you ssh'ed before with that key from that machine?
[18:36] <j0sh^> no first time from his machine
[18:36] <j0sh^> i have run ssh-add mykeyfile
[18:36] <popey> have you put the key on the other end though?
[18:36] <j0sh^> yes
[18:37] <AlanBell> permissions on /home/josh/.ssh/id_rsa ?
[18:37] <j0sh^> yes
[18:37] <j0sh^> my user has read only
[18:37] <j0sh^> it wouldnt allow me to add the key if they werent
[18:37] <popey> eh
[18:38] <popey> -rw-r--r-- 1 alan alan    399 Feb  3  2012 id_rsa.pub
[18:38] <popey> -rw------- 1 alan alan   1766 Feb  3  2012 id_rsa
[18:38] <popey> not read only
[18:38] <j0sh^> read and write only for my user
[18:38] <j0sh^> so same as yours
[18:39] <AlanBell> can it do the first hop?
[18:39] <AlanBell> ssh spring.mydomain.net
[18:39] <j0sh^> yes
[18:39] <j0sh^> I can ssh onto that box
[18:39] <j0sh^> and I can norm do it from my work machine :/
[18:39] <neuro> ooh, ssh tomfoolery, this should be fun
[18:39] <neuro> *grabs popcorn*
[18:40] <j0sh^> lols
[18:40] <j0sh^> not fun :/
[18:40] <j0sh^> sily
[18:40] <j0sh^> s/sily/silly/
[18:41] <j0sh^> all commented out
[18:41] <j0sh^> I can ssh -i keyfile josh@domain
[18:41] <j0sh^> and works fine
[18:42] <j0sh^> https://gist.github.com/joshmyers/dcb41d0234c3e80c521b
[18:44] <j0sh^> but when I try to connect to box b directly from my machine it doesnt work
[18:44] <j0sh^> the keys are the same
[18:44] <AlanBell> so where is the nc -q0 bit
[18:44] <j0sh^> 0 isn't allowed
[18:44] <j0sh^> typo I guessed?
[18:44] <j0sh^> ooooo
[18:44] <j0sh^> forgot nc
[18:44] <j0sh^> !!!
[18:44] <AlanBell> popey doesn't do typos
[18:45] <AlanBell> nc is netcat
[18:45] <j0sh^> i know
[18:45] <AlanBell> that is kinda important
[18:45] <j0sh^> fkin dumbass
[18:45] <j0sh^> yup
[18:45] <popey> jeez
[18:45] <j0sh^> sorry dude
[18:45] <popey> copy/paste is your friend ☻
[18:45] <popey> np ☻
[18:45] <j0sh^> smoking a doobie here :/
[18:45] <j0sh^> lol
[18:45] <popey> hahah
[18:46] <Laney> O_O
[18:46] <j0sh^> errrr
[18:47] <j0sh^> but its still not working :/
[18:49] <j0sh^> https://gist.github.com/joshmyers/d1260aedcfe6f3694c54
[18:49] <j0sh^> $%$£%
[18:50] <j0sh^> I can ssh -i keyfile josh@spring.mydomain.net ok
[18:51] <AlanBell> ok, but you can't just ssh spring.mydomain.net
[18:51] <AlanBell> your keyfile is somewhere else then?
[18:51] <j0sh^> nope I cant
[18:51] <AlanBell> ProxyCommand ssh -i keyfile josh@spring.mydomain.net nc -q0 %h %p
[18:51] <AlanBell> try that then
[18:52] <AlanBell> /home/josh/.ssh/id_rsa is presumably not the keyfile you use then?
[18:52] <j0sh^> it is
[18:53] <AlanBell> and are you logging in as josh?
[18:53] <j0sh^> sorry I can ssh spring.mydomain.net (when hashing out the config file)
[18:53] <j0sh^> yes
[18:54] <j0sh^> so I can ssh mydomain ok without the config file
[18:54] <j0sh^> but using the gist'd config file I cant
[18:55] <j0sh^> let me compare verbose outputs
[18:57] <j0sh^> https://gist.github.com/joshmyers/1bcbd63cb14b0804fb73
[18:57] <j0sh^> this is a good login
[18:57] <AlanBell> no, it isn't :)
[18:57] <j0sh^> the step its not getting to is Remote protocol version
[18:58] <AlanBell> oh, then again, maybe it is OK
[18:58] <j0sh^> it logs me in afer
[18:58] <j0sh^> after
[19:02] <j0sh^> strange
[19:10] <Laney> celeriac is a great vegetable
[19:10] <Laney> yum yum
[19:12] <j0sh^> lol
[19:12] <j0sh^> it is indeed
[19:12] <j0sh^> AlanBell / popey ? :P
[19:19] <AlanBell> dunno, but it would be handy for me for one host so I am going to tinker with it
[19:21] <mungbean> asda have got a good price on bute atm
[19:22] <j0sh^> I have found something!
[19:22] <j0sh^> if I use a particular host rather than wilcard * , it works for that host ....
[19:22] <j0sh^> wtf?!
[19:26] <AlanBell> ah, it is going in circles
[19:26] <ali1234> sounds like wildcard is not really wildcard
[19:26] <ali1234> or wildcards are disabled by some other config
[19:27] <AlanBell> I think the wildcard is applying itself to the host you want to get to
[19:27] <AlanBell> I mean the intermediate host
[19:27] <ali1234> you know ssh --debug right?
[19:27] <ali1234> or -vvvv right
[19:27] <j0sh^> doing tht ali1234
[19:28] <ali1234> wait do you have two sections with wildcard *?
[19:29] <j0sh^> yes but its commented out
[19:29] <ali1234> hmm
[19:31] <j0sh^> im still lost ...
[19:31] <AlanBell> j0sh^: try changing the host line to . . .
[19:31] <AlanBell> Host * !spring.mydomain.com
[19:31] <AlanBell> .net rather
[19:32] <AlanBell> or whatever it is, just exclude the intermediate host from the wildcard
[19:32] <j0sh^> DUDE
[19:32] <j0sh^> YOU DA MAN
[19:32]  * AlanBell does little victory dance
[19:33] <popey> \o/
[19:33]  * j0sh^ slaps AlanBell with a wet fish. no dancing!
[19:33] <j0sh^> :)
[19:33] <j0sh^> haha
[19:33] <j0sh^> thanks guys, never seen that before
[19:33] <j0sh^> wnder why it was doing that
[19:33] <Myrtti> what's that character after ubuntu and before the pipe and AlanBell's nickname on the topic?
[19:34] <Myrtti> the logo?
[19:34] <AlanBell> I am totally going to use that config thingie, there are several places that I have an intermediate hop to
[19:34] <AlanBell> Myrtti: yes, the logo
[19:34] <AlanBell> it is in a private use area of unicode
[19:34] <AlanBell> sladen put it there I think
[19:34] <Myrtti> right, I don't have it in my fonts then
[19:35] <AlanBell> http://font.ubuntu.com
[19:36] <ali1234> when i fork ubuntu i'm going to replace that glyph with trollface guy
[19:36] <ali1234> this will be the only change
[19:37] <Myrtti> lol
[19:37] <ali1234> oh i see so it was trying to connect to the proxy, then matching the *, and then trying to proxy through the proxy... forever
[19:37] <mungbean> wife in bed, front door bolted, about to stick a bottle in screaming babys mouth, and a person ignores the cold caller sign to knock on the door to ask for sponsorship for a run they are doing. i dont even know this person. grrr
[19:54] <popey> blimey, that's rude
[19:54] <popey> does your wife know them?>
[19:54] <popey> go wake her up to find out
[19:54] <popey> I'll wait
[19:55] <ali1234> take baby to door and after the person says something, pretend to listen to what the baby is whispering and then reply
[19:55] <ali1234> like a baby interpreter
[20:00] <popey> "babby says no"
[20:00]  * popey stabs intel graphics
[20:02] <mungbean> popey: no, random lady, although repeat offender
[20:03] <mungbean> i was carrying bscreaming sprog so no time to tell them why they are so selfish
[20:03] <ali1234> "hi, please sponsor me to go door to door asking for sponsorship"
[20:04] <mungbean> i can only imagine the person is a bit "special"
[20:05] <mungbean> to imagine that strangers would sponsor rather than giving thru trustworthy channels.
[20:05] <ali1234> either that, or it's an actual scam
[20:06]  * Seeker` tries to make bread rise by putting it on top of his CPU exhaust and running prime95
[20:06] <mungbean> have you see the why is my son crying tumblr?
[20:09] <mungbean> wow, mum of 37 has 16 kids
[20:09] <diddledan> and the other 21?
[20:10] <diddledan> oh wait.. she's 37 years old
[20:10] <diddledan> ignore me
[20:10] <dwatkins> The SGI website used to use images of crying babies for its 404 pages.
[20:11] <mungbean> channel4 atm
[20:11] <diddledan> is that better or worse than a failwhale?
[20:11] <mungbean> seem like nice family, not what u expect
[20:12] <popey> my ex boss has 9
[20:13] <mungbean> catholic?
[20:13] <popey> yes
[20:13] <mungbean> nuffsaid
[20:14] <popey> lovely chap though ㋛
[20:15] <popey> yay, wifey is recording the thing about the family with lots of kids
[20:16] <mungbean> watch 5 mins and uve seen it all
[20:16] <mungbean> im watching it cos i couldnt reach the remote
[20:17] <diddledan> that's mostly my reasoning for sitting in silence with the tv and radio both turned off
[20:18] <mungbean> got my new book today 'boys book of airfix' :)
[20:24] <AlanBell> popey: 19 kids and counting?
[20:30] <popey> cant fathom these people
[20:30] <popey> how can any of them get quality time with their parents
[20:30] <mungbean> they were both adopted
[20:31] <popey> yikes, 37 years old and she's got 16 kids
[20:31] <mungbean> once u have 6 the others must start helping
[20:32] <mungbean> i think the eldest is already spawning too
[20:32] <popey> helping isnt the issue
[20:32] <popey> having time with parents is
[20:32] <popey> older kids can certainly help with getting younger ones dressed, making food, chores etc
[20:33] <popey> "they want to do it"
[20:34] <popey> or is it that they just don't know any different
[20:34] <mungbean> i know rich people who send kids off to boarding school. not that i agree with it but the 16 kids must see more than the upper class
[20:35] <mungbean> not sure how many kids is excessive. more than 6 i guess
[20:35] <popey> my ex boss has 2 girls in boarding school
[20:36] <mungbean> i am one of 5 but spread out 2,3,4 yrs apart each time
[20:37] <mungbean> i would be happy stopping at 2 atm
[20:40] <mungbean> does anyone else have local buying and selling pages on facebook? proving really good for picking up random 2nd hand stuff for kids
[20:43] <popey> hah, the 20 year old is getting married after 4 weeks because the guy is paying her attention
[20:43] <popey> says a lot
[20:43] <mungbean> hmm
[20:43] <mungbean> 4 weeks?
[20:44] <mungbean> of dating?
[20:44] <popey> yeah
[20:44] <mungbean> wanrts to leave crazy home of kids
[20:44] <diddledan> or mayhaps she wants her own crazy home of kids?
[20:44] <mungbean> could have gone to uni if wanna move out
[20:45] <popey> she did go to uni and came back
[20:46] <Lil-|^Red> popey: How much did ya pay for yur Ostrich Head Pillow ? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Awsome-Cute-Ostrich-Pillow-Comfortable-Power-Naps-Anytime-Anywhere-Office-Travel-/370703320600
[20:47] <popey> i didnt pay for an ostrich pillow
[20:47] <Lil-|^Red> Oh sorry.
[20:47] <popey> I donated to a kickstarter campaign which rewarded me with an ostrich pillow
[20:48] <Lil-|^Red> Oh yes, it was socks .. forgot.
[20:48] <popey> I've backed a few kickstarter campaigns, including nabee socks
[20:48] <mungbean> 3d pen?
[20:48] <popey> yeah :D
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> I kickstartered some music
[20:48] <popey> Sophie is looking forward to that
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> and I've already received most of that
[20:49] <mungbean> would love the pen
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> and some games
[20:49] <Lil-|^Red> I already have a 3d pen .. it cost 45p from ubuntu store ;)
[20:49]  * AlanBell is waiting for a couple of parallela boards
[20:49] <Lil-|^Red> .. so are Hurd, but that's another calamity.
[20:50] <mungbean> have to change batteries on a ups while running important infratrsucture..never enjoy doing that
[20:50] <mungbean> shouldnt go down, but...
[20:51] <popey> next thing to arrive is goldiblox and ouya
[20:51] <mungbean> wonders about popeys fun budget
[20:52] <mungbean> more substantial than my own.
[20:52] <popey> spread over a year
[20:52] <Lil-|^Red> ouya . there's a missed oppoutunity .. I saw that 'Game Stick' are massively delaying production ..
[20:52] <mungbean> austerity demands reduction to £20pm on no-questionsasked purchases
[20:53] <mungbean> used to be £35
[20:53] <Laney> have people donated to geary?
[20:53] <popey> nope
[20:53] <popey> i only back ones i think will succeed
[20:53] <mungbean> thunderbird works for me
[20:53] <popey> and I'm certain geary wont
[20:54] <popey> and I dont think the future is desktop email clients
[20:54] <Lil-|^Red> I always think a good indicator as top whether the dev/team is good is asking a question like : "Do you know Assembly language ?? " .. and see if they run away.
[20:54] <Lil-|^Red> ^OUYA team that is.
[20:54] <mungbean> i would fund a better shotwell
[20:54] <popey> yeah, me too
[20:54] <mungbean> still on picasa here
[20:55] <ali1234> 100,000 is a lot of money for an email client
[20:55] <ali1234> how many developers do they have?
[20:55] <Lil-|^Red> I dont think that team is so 'all-about-libre-software' TBH.
[20:55] <popey> cant fathom how this guy affords to take his family of 20 to teneriefe
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> openshot is over their target, right?
[20:55] <mungbean> maybe if they fail they can divvy up into bite size bounty tasks
[20:55] <popey> yes MartijnVdS
[20:57] <directhex> ali1234, is it? 100,000 is, what, one competent developer for a year, factoring in costs as well as sallary?
[20:57] <directhex> (assuming usd)
[20:57] <directhex> it's a bit more than 1 developer in gbp, but not by much
[20:57] <mungbean> popey: your g+ about the 10.10 bug got a bit uncivil..
[20:58] <popey> yeah
[20:58] <popey> didnt expect that
[20:58] <mungbean> i felt bad reading it
[20:58] <directhex> may your birthday not be filled with vomiting and shitting. ¬_¬
[20:58] <ali1234> directhex: i think they'd be better off with 10 incompetent developers for 2 months each
[20:58] <Lil-|^Red> mungbean: can you link that , here ?
[20:59] <mungbean> tenerife and it aint even sunny
[20:59] <directhex> wait, ECHAN
[20:59] <popey> if i could have 14 more of my two, I would, but having that many kids, no way I could spend enough time with each to get them to the same level as my current two
[20:59] <directhex> ali1234, AKA thunderbird?
[20:59] <ali1234> directhex: that is more like 100 incompetent developers for 2 days each
[21:00] <mungbean> i like being there when my boy talks about procrastinating and prevaricating..he just turned 3
[21:01] <directhex> my point is 100k is pocket change for a major software development project. evolution easily absorbed over a million dollars in paid developer time over the years
[21:01] <ali1234> evolution is a huge bloated beast though
[21:01] <mungbean> and one bug makes it unusable usually, wgich isnt fixed
[21:03] <ali1234> geary has less than 10% the functionality of evolution, plus it is already half finished
[21:03] <mungbean> geary is nice but no search, and tb really is fine oon my desktop for work email
[21:04] <mungbean> nothing on telly
[21:11] <Lil-|^Red> mungbean: Meanwhile over in An Daingean | http://bit.ly/YbliYp
[21:15] <popey> haha, news article about women worried about kids having measles
[21:15] <popey> wifey shouts at the telly 'because they're all fsckwits for not having the mmr'
[21:16] <mungbean> that was the jerks fault who published in the science journal
[21:16] <mungbean> "biggest medical fraud for decades"
[21:16] <popey> well, partly, but people are still holding off many years later
[21:17] <mungbean> seeds of doubt. thats the FUD wagon
[21:17] <mungbean> when i was yhoung, no mums would give their kid the whopping cough jab
[21:18] <mungbean> and, the govt told us all the swine flu vaccine was safe , and they prioritised pregnant women
[21:18] <mungbean> but 1) my sample of all women at ante natal class who'd had the jab all got a flu-like illness, and none of the abstainers did
[21:19] <ali1234> but they didn't die of swine flu tho right?
[21:19] <mungbean> and 2) early research into whether children of swine flu jab mums have any issues
[21:19] <ali1234> wait which is the one that actually kills you? that was bird flu wasn't it?
[21:19] <mungbean> how many people did?
[21:20] <AlanBell> H5N1
[21:20] <mungbean> swine flu was the big national scare a couple of years ago
[21:21] <popey> hmm, wifi network drop-out in raring
[21:21] <popey> somewhat annoying
[21:21] <mungbean> remember CJD? whatever happened to that?
[21:21] <popey> cant file a bug while on wifi
[21:21] <mungbean> there was a fear that 50% of britain would have it by 2020
[21:23] <Lil-|^Red> mungbean: Some this 'bout china ? http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/plenty-things-worry-china-bird-flu-not-one-174030450.html
[21:23] <mungbean> In The Lancet (June 2006), a University College London team suggested that it may take more than 50 years for vCJD to develop, from their studies of kuru, a similar disease in Papua New Guinea.[55] The reasoning behind the claim is that kuru was possibly transmitted through cannibalism in Papua New Guinea when family members would eat the body of a dead relative as a sign of mourning. In the 1950s, cannibalism was banned in PNG
[21:24] <mungbean> dads dead, chow down kids
[21:25] <mungbean> illness at work rose exponentially while in open plan office
[21:25] <mungbean> 2 shared doors for whole office, and one bloke who never washes hands
[21:25] <mungbean> maybe more
[21:26] <ali1234> be the guy who never washes hands, develop immunity
[21:26] <ali1234> if you don't do it, someone else will
[21:27] <ali1234> "game theory"
[21:28] <popey> bug 1167019
[21:30] <mungbean> immunity only lasts 2 weeks for stomach bugs i think
[21:30] <mungbean> right. gonna try for quick kip on sofa before the next feed at 11.30
[22:10] <ali1234> !info bitcoind precise
[22:52] <Seeker`> fresh bread is soooooooooooo good