=== Hornet- is now known as Hornet [08:00] morning all [08:00] morning [08:12] thatcher overload [08:12] might have to turn radio 4 off [08:19] Morning [08:19] Bachman Thatcher Overdrive [08:25] you should see the papers :S [08:27] newspapers? what's that? [08:27] lol [08:27] is that when people print out news websites onto paper? [08:27] yup apparently so [08:27] what a waste [08:29] and on the TV news this morning, I watched a fight....sigh [08:48] Good morning, and happy Equal Pay Day! :-D [08:49] here's your cut-out-and-keep JamesTait http://paste.ubuntu.com/5691777/ [08:50] :D [08:51] popey, it's just missing the dates! [08:51] seems like you're only here fridays and monday ;) today being the exception lol [08:52] Also, I'm very suspicious of anything that suggests I'm awake before 9am, especially on a Friday. ;) [08:52] lol [08:54] MooDoo, maybe I'm just not as creative on Mondays and Fridays? [08:54] MooDoo, or those are the days I forget about daysoftheyear.com ;) [08:55] lol [08:56] anyone here going for loco council? [09:02] this morning is a morning for Marquee Moon === leon__ is now known as CodeRunner [09:40] It's oh so quiet.sshhhh shhhh [09:42] It's oh so still.sshhhh shhhh [09:43] you're all alone [09:44] MooDoo: You too? One of the people at Starbucks was singing that as well (because there was no queue) [09:45] pah, you mean people are actually working? [09:45] MooDoo: I think they were all late for work tbh [09:47] lol [09:47] MooDoo: the train station was almost empty, at 8:45! [09:47] half term still isn't it? [09:48] MooDoo: not in this country [09:49] MartijnVdS: it is for nottingham, still half term, that explains why it's quiet up here [09:51] MooDoo: it explains why they had time to make this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASUUN0W4_JY [09:51] good morning everyone, [09:54] morning brobostigon [09:55] morning MooDoo [09:55] MartijnVdS: are you bored? ;) [09:57] Hi peeps :) [09:57] howdy [09:58] Morning all [09:58] morning davmor2 [10:02] ok, after following 30 steps to remove the battery from hp touchpad, the thing is glued in. not cool , hp [10:02] if the battery wasn't broken before, it is now [10:03] Nice [10:03] MooDoo: me owld mukka 'ow am ya [10:03] davmor2: alreet youf [10:04] MooDoo: r good ta [10:04] long time no speak, in ere at lease [10:04] least [10:05] * bigcalm sneezes excessively [10:06] bless you [10:06] MooDoo: you don't bless people for sneezing you curse them for making a row ;) [10:08] well i was thinking of chainsaw across the forehead, but maybe that's a bit extreame [10:17] MooDoo: nah, waiting for the testsuite to finish :) [10:19] MartijnVdS: there is nothing extreme about waiting for a testcase to finish ;) [10:21] busy busy busy [10:22] ...bumblee bee! [10:22] popey: you can't be that busy there aren't 72hours in a day :P [10:22] davmor2: your facebook tests failed :p [10:22] didn't see them [10:22] MooDoo: they did yesterday that's why I was testing them :) [10:23] davmor2: :) [10:30] interesting for a touhcopad owner: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/tenderloin [10:31] * mungbean has a working tablet again. thanks ebay [10:31] and ifixit [10:31] MooDoo: do you have the ifxit repair kit? [10:31] * MartijnVdS has the "Advanced" one.. so many tools in one! [10:31] MartijnVdS: er the what? [10:32] mungbean: ^ [10:32] MooDoo: wrong m, sorry [10:34] s'ok :) [10:42] huh MartijnVdS ? [10:43] Anybody using SparkleShare know how set-up a headless client? [10:43] i have the ifixit webpage and a metal spudger and a plastic spudger and a plectrum [10:43] mungbean: I have the complete "Advanced" kit they offer [10:43] nice [10:43] its a useful website [10:43] second time i have repaired my touchpad [10:44] replacing battery was serious work though [10:45] bigcalm, huh, good question, i don't know if they support that [10:49] directhex: ho-hum :) [10:50] I've just moved my SparkleShare directory onto a samba share and added the option to the config.xml. Doesn't appear to be working yet though :( [11:10] Server reboot time, yay [11:13] bigcalm: should have opted in for Uptrack while it was available ;-) [11:14] ? [11:14] http://www.ksplice.com/ [11:16] o.O [11:16] wow ksplice has been around for years [11:16] Sounds like overkill for my home server [11:17] get a girlfriend and you'll reconsider ;-) [11:17] bigcalm: what you talking about, my home server has been up 12 days now ;) [11:17] "what do you mean I can't watch sex and the city?!?" [11:18] Nafallo: I have a fiancée who is happy with the VirginMedia V+ box [11:19] i have a wife who was less upset than me when the pvr wiped our whole library [11:20] if i have a GPU lockup bug that occurred when not using unity, should i mention it in the bug report, and will it still be considered? [11:20] bigcalm: you're saying that Virgin box is not running Ubuntu yet? ;-) [11:20] or is a gpu lockup pretty much standard across all DEs [11:23] it depends what type of GPU it is [11:23] if it is nvidia or ATI there is no point reporting it at all [11:23] sandybridge intel [11:23] if it is intel you should report it to bugs.freedesktop.org [11:24] what DE you use is irrelevant [11:24] reported on launchpad as it submitted crash reports [11:24] launchpad should send upstream right? [11:24] ....right? [11:24] no [11:25] if you don't upstream it yourself this is what will happen [11:25] in about 6 months someone will ask you if the bug still happens [11:25] if you don't answer they will close the bug [11:25] if you answer, then in another 6 months they will ask you again [11:26] :( [11:27] of course the mail man came around with a parcel too big to fit in when I was mopping up a pint of water our kettle had decided it didn't want to boil from the kitchen floor. [11:28] grrh [11:28] class ControllerController extends Controller [11:28] * bigcalm giggles [11:46] got the gpu lockup again :( [11:49] can you ssh in from another machine? [11:49] or switch to tty0 [11:50] mungbean: also, what release of ubuntu is it? [11:51] http://www.tesco.com/direct/technika-barcelona-bluetooth-speaker/515-4294.prd tempting [11:52] popey: 12.04 [11:52] ali1234: bryce harrington seems to forawrd launchpad bugs to freedesktop [11:53] #1166726 [11:53] popey: I have one of these that I don't use: http://www.ionaudio.com/products/details/roadrocker [11:54] blimey, thats huge ☻ [11:54] popey: odd. It states "Battery only". But if you look at the rear of the device there is a usb socket with the label "DC 5V" [11:54] popey: it makes a lot of sound too :) [11:54] bigcalm: for charging [11:54] I see [11:54] Q. How much sound? [11:54] A. A lot. [11:55] MartijnVdS: that looks like it could produce a better quality sound than the think I bought: http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=1041 === alan_g is now known as alan_g|ACCU [11:56] bug #1166726 [11:56] bug 1166726 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[sandybridge-m-gt2] GPU lockup render.IPEHR: 0x54300804" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1166726 [11:56] blimey, you bought one? [11:56] popey: on a whim, yes [11:57] popey: works quite well for what it is. Using it to listen to podcasts in the kitchen and will be used in hotel rooms for spotify [11:57] popey: did you not see his whole twitter episode about it [11:57] bigcalm: it has a nice bass :) [11:57] mungbean: probably a duplicate of bug 899159? [11:57] bug 899159 in mesa (Ubuntu) "[snb-gt2] GPU lockup render.IPEHR: 0x7b009004 (Needs 8.0.2)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/899159 [11:58] I quite like the look of the tesco one, because a) cheap. [11:58] and it has an aux in too, so can plug in random non-bluetooth devices, like kids ipods [11:58] also, friend of mine got the creative D80 [11:59] popey: get one and then lets compare the audio quality with the Boombero :) [11:59] popey: i don't know if the 0x54301920913 makes a difference? [11:59] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Creative-Wireless-Bluetooth-Speaker-Android/dp/B0056XMVZS [11:59] * TheOpenSourcerer needs some air. Going to pop out to lunch somewhere... [11:59] wise! [11:59] TheOpenSourcerer: burger at the maltings :D [11:59] TheOpenSourcerer: apparently 700 quid to fix my volvo [11:59] (dashboard) [11:59] bah [11:59] volvo! [12:00] popey: the tank is still running then? [12:00] iz Svensk! [12:00] mungbean: ask bryce in #ubuntu-x [12:00] bigcalm: yup [12:00] but the dashboard no longer works, which is a problem for detecting fuel [12:00] yeah its a different bug, mine required a reboot [12:01] And speed? [12:01] also, I've got the Creative D100, and it's full of awesome. [12:01] nah [12:01] oh, the d80 has no battery [12:01] i want battery [12:02] yeah, the D100 takes four batteries, and last for literately ages. [12:02] too spendy [12:11] huh? [12:11] too spendy? [12:11] geary funding at 23%..16 days left, hmmm [12:11] as in, the upfront cost or the battery usage? [12:12] I tried geary... it doesn't work well for my use-case. [12:12] might keep it around on the netbook [12:12] thats why they are raising money to improve it [12:12] e.g. no search atm [12:12] that was the small issue, yes. [12:12] the bigger one was moving mail and it disappearing... [13:07] hi guys, what is the easest solution: [13:07] I need upload few files by using ftp user, then want to www-data user to be able to read it. [13:08] I knew I could chmod permisson after uploaded, but I do not want to do it everytime. [13:11] any1 ? all on lunch ? [13:11] KungFuPanda: You need to re-think the problem, I think [13:12] Because this is a classic: [13:12] !xyproblem [13:12] !xy [13:12] The XY problem is when you need to do X, and you think you can use Y to do X, so you ask about how to do Y, when what you really should do is state what your X problem is. There may be a Z solution that is even better than Y, but nobody can suggest it if X is never mentioned. [13:14] thanks, I will try to explain X: [13:14] I got an webapp which using as webuser, the app need to load some data file, which I need to upload it to the server everyday. [13:15] KungFuPanda: you can make apache run the site as a different user/group [13:15] KungFuPanda: and upload as a user in that group (to a directory owned by the group) [13:16] KungFuPanda: One way to do it would be to sgid www-data on the folder to which the file is uploaded. That assumes having the necessary positions to set the folder that way in the first place. [13:27] I like sgid solution.:-D [13:27] if I create an folder which own by www-data under /var/www, then I create symbolic link under my ftp user home. then when I use ftp user upload file into that folder. is that will work? [13:27] www-data own that folder, but do not own these files. is that will work ? [13:29] sure, as long as it can read them (read up on unix permissions :)) [13:30] Great! thanks a lot [13:32] KungFuPanda: does the file name change? if not sync it instead. the other possibility might be to simply link it. so you upload the file to directory x and then link it to directory y where y has the correct access for the webapp [13:35] also, ftp tends to not be the best solution [13:35] yeh, the files name random, my code just look for that folder, if there are files, will load it. but I will try that, thanks a lot [13:35] it being insecure etc. [15:03] I'm wondering should I order more of those socks. [15:03] still when there's a -25% offer on them [15:08] You can always use more socks [15:13] really? i only have 2 feet [15:13] mungbean: you mean you don't make sock puppets with your access socks? [15:16] Is there a way to resize raw qemu-img files to their physical size on disk. At present the virtual size is 32GB but there is only 1 partition on there which constitutes about 7GB [15:17] MooDoo: my wife does in fact [15:17] she makes sock monkeys [15:17] i'm accidently listening to the spice girls [15:17] this is GREAT [15:17] awesome :) I bought one of them at a local church fair the other day :) a pink one. [15:18] but all my socks are black so missing socks are just reducing the pool size [15:18] mungbean: she wasn't selling them in calverton notts the other day was she ;) [15:18] no :P [15:18] wasn't her then :) [15:19] what comeback do you have when buying online and they mis-descibe it? [15:19] who pays postage for return of item? [15:19] if they claim it is $BRAND item and it's chinese knock0ff? [15:20] Can you get the seller on Amazon to pay the return postal costs ? [15:21] mungbean: don't amazon give you freepost labels? [15:21] even if a amazon market place? [15:21] mungbean: Not sure but I think so [15:21] file an a-z guarantee claim [15:22] I thnk they do , come to mention it. [15:23] i haven't bought it yet, but its diffcult to buy items that are imported because no official shop sells them [15:24] looks like i'm blowing my fun budget this mont [15:25] my fun budget was for the new bioshock game lol [15:26] i'm buying an airbrush and lots of accesories [15:35] MooDoo: the new BS game - does one need to have played the previous games to enjoy this one? [15:36] bigcalm: I hope not as I've not played the others. [15:36] MooDoo: oh, you haven't played it yet then [15:36] kvarley: if there's free space enough, cp --sparse=always and delete the original. [15:36] bigcalm: I got it through steam it's 14GB [15:37] :O [15:37] yeah ouch [15:37] kvarley: There is no way I know of to make files sparse in-place, unfortunately. But if there isn't space enough, try moving it to an external disk and bringing it back with cp --sparse. [15:37] MooDoo: That sounds like a lot of cut scenes [15:37] kvarley: (I realise I'm twenty minutes late...) [15:37] Darael: I went with "qemu-img convert -p -O qcow2 x.img y.img" in the end :) [15:38] bigcalm: yes what I've seen so far, it's a lot of cust and video [15:38] Darael: Thanks anyway :) [15:38] cut scenes [15:38] kvarley: Ah, a less-generically-applicable but probably more-contextually-relevant solution. Good going. [15:38] Darael: Have no idea if it's worked yet, just flashing to my SD card now :P [15:39] kvarley: As far as Amazon marketplace sellers paying postage on returning Items : They don't . The buyer has to pay all of the returns postage. http://bit.ly/10QiBvB [Note there is no Pre-paid Consignment Mark] [15:40] even if its fraud? [15:40] Lil-|^Red: Ah [15:40] i.e Gucci wallet, turns out to be asda [15:40] Get in touch with amazon support and they'll sort it out for you if it's a non-genuine product [15:41] I imagine they don't want fake products being sold on their site after all :) [15:41] mungbean: The only god thing that comes outta Asda is a GeorgeVest IMHO. [15:41] So much for class 10 SDHC cards, currently writing at 2.6 MB/s to one :( [15:42] Lil-|^Red: Their vests are *holy objects*?! [15:42] kvarley: Aren't class six bettr at this ? [15:44] Darael: You've lost me there .. perhaps slightly past R.O.C.D. [15:44] Lil-|^Red: Playing on thy typo: "The only god thing" [15:45] Lil-|^Red: They aren't supposed to be, but in reality yeah [15:45] what typo | god never existed ! [15:46] Lil-|^Red: 15:41:34 < Lil-|^Red> mungbean: The only god thing that comes outta Asda is a GeorgeVest IMHO. [15:46] ^That typo. [15:47] it means little red . [15:47] like Lil Jon. [15:47] Lil-|^Red: My apologies. I meant in the line quoted, not thy nick. [15:47] Lil-|^Red: I should have aligned the caret. [16:06] Can somebody on 13.04 check whether Friends has a twitter account? Friends is working fine for facebook, but there's no way to add a twitter account, wasn't sure if its a bug or whether there's another package that needs installing for twitter [16:07] The TV show? [16:07] You wish :) [16:07] DJones: yes, it twitters, but the feed doesn't update for me [16:07] it just tells you every time since the stone age that anyone mentioned you [16:07] then picks up a few tweets each time you tweet I think [16:08] AlanBell: Strange, if I go to online accounts, I don't have an option to add a twitter account to friends [16:08] Pulling down the timeline is updating it when there are new facebook posts [16:08] DJones: I don't have the option in online accounts either, running from beta2 livecd [16:10] kvarley: Thanks, must be a bug/wip, there's no twitter option at all in Online Accounts now [16:31] Darael: Ahh , I see your typo -case-in-point from just under an hour ago. I see that /I/ made the typo and grievous error. 0oops ! [16:40] OT | Great ! Super ! Just got back from buying 400grams of Saints and Scholars © / 'Pork & Spring Onion' Sausages from the S.market for ... a Grand.Total of £0.30 .. Aaah, plus mixing-in Irish Stew.. that's one hell of a haul , today. [17:10] DJones: with the online accounts thing for facebook did that identify to facebook as safari? [17:11] "We detected a login into your account from a new device named "Safari on Linux" on Tuesday 9 April 2013 at 17:10. This device has been added to your account." [17:12] Doesn't appear to, I've got Gwibber and Ubuntu showing as authorised apps [17:16] Gwibber hasn't connected in months, so must just be the Ubuntu account connected today [17:25] hey guys, having to use my own ubuntu laptop rather than work macbook at the moment as macbook died [17:26] on osx I have this set as my ssh_config: [17:26] https://gist.github.com/joshmyers/81c68da2b373382840f5 [17:26] not working on my ubuntu box .. [17:27] but to get to our infrastructure I need to proxy my ssh connections through spring.mydomain.net [17:27] I'd put that in .ssh/config [17:27] any ideas how I can do this in ubuntu? [17:27] be it global or user specific ssh conf ... [17:28] for a start I don't have ~/bin/ssh-proxy on this box [17:28] ssh-proxy looks like corkscrew [17:28] !info corkscrew [17:28] corkscrew (source: corkscrew): tunnel TCP connections through HTTP proxies. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0-9 (quantal), package size 11 kB, installed size 53 kB [17:29] I am trying ssh josh@spring.mydomain.net nc %h %p [17:29] to no avail [17:29] hmm [17:30] j0sh^: ^^ [17:31] ahh [17:31] thanks popey ... [17:31] will give it a look [17:31] i cant see ssh-proxy in repo [17:33] which is why i said... ssh-proxy looks like corkscrew [17:34] aye [17:41] hmm [17:41] but im not going through an http proxy popey [17:47] j0sh^: what is it you are trying to do? [17:47] what is being proxied? http stuff over ssh? [17:47] no [17:48] I have < me > ------ < a > -------- [17:48] i need to connect to b, but can only do so through ssh'ing into A [17:48] shhh [17:48] er, ahhhh [17:49] https://gist.github.com/joshmyers/81c68da2b373382840f5 < my ssh config that allowed me to do it on OSX [17:49] ProxyCommand ssh spring.mydomain.net nc -q0 %h %p [17:49] try that [17:49] ok, so you could ssh to a, then ssh to b, but want a kind of automatic relay at a [17:49] (not that I'm a mac fanboy, we just use for work) [17:49] thats what we use internally [17:49] https://github.com/ShuminHuang/ssh-proxy this thing? [17:49] why not just use port forwarding? [17:50] dwatkins: cant if you dont control the middle box [17:50] the proxycommand above should work fine on ubuntu j0sh^ [17:51] popey: ah ok, I thought you could do it on a high-numbered port [17:51] will try popey :) [18:06] popey, like this? https://gist.github.com/joshmyers/dd91d133b8b958e39d40 [18:06] i want any ssh connections I make to go through spring.mydomain.net [18:08] no [18:08] 18:49:17 < popey> ProxyCommand ssh spring.mydomain.net nc -q0 %h %p [18:09] ok [18:13] fs still not working :/ [18:14] use -vvvv with your ssh command, may help debug [18:17] debug1: permanently_drop_suid: 1000 [18:17] debug3: Incorrect RSA1 identifier === GentileBen is now known as GentilePotato [18:26] j0sh^: is your ssh key on the remote host? [18:26] yes [18:26] I can log into hashing out my ssh config [18:27] walked into bank today and got accepted for a business account for bitcoin trading, lol [18:27] :) [18:27] did you have to explain it to them? [18:27] yea [18:27] I have a pretty quick way of explaining it though now [18:27] def using correct key and its loaded into my agent [18:27] I just say bitcoin is a virtual currency, and that I'm providing currency exchange. [18:32] popey, https://gist.github.com/joshmyers/4806cb35833740721794 [18:32] no dice :/ [18:33] Do I need any special flags for cp other than -vr when I'm copying one Linux FS to another location? [18:34] j0sh^: is your key correct? doesn't look like it [18:35] and is that the entire log? [18:35] yup [18:35] key is correct :/ [18:35] have you ssh'ed before with that key from that machine? [18:36] no first time from his machine [18:36] i have run ssh-add mykeyfile [18:36] have you put the key on the other end though? [18:36] yes [18:37] permissions on /home/josh/.ssh/id_rsa ? [18:37] yes [18:37] my user has read only [18:37] it wouldnt allow me to add the key if they werent [18:37] eh [18:38] -rw-r--r-- 1 alan alan 399 Feb 3 2012 id_rsa.pub [18:38] -rw------- 1 alan alan 1766 Feb 3 2012 id_rsa [18:38] not read only [18:38] read and write only for my user [18:38] so same as yours [18:39] can it do the first hop? [18:39] ssh spring.mydomain.net [18:39] yes [18:39] I can ssh onto that box [18:39] and I can norm do it from my work machine :/ [18:39] ooh, ssh tomfoolery, this should be fun [18:39] *grabs popcorn* [18:40] lols [18:40] not fun :/ [18:40] sily [18:40] s/sily/silly/ [18:41] all commented out [18:41] I can ssh -i keyfile josh@domain [18:41] and works fine [18:42] https://gist.github.com/joshmyers/dcb41d0234c3e80c521b [18:44] but when I try to connect to box b directly from my machine it doesnt work [18:44] the keys are the same [18:44] so where is the nc -q0 bit [18:44] 0 isn't allowed [18:44] typo I guessed? [18:44] ooooo [18:44] forgot nc [18:44] !!! [18:44] popey doesn't do typos [18:45] nc is netcat [18:45] i know [18:45] that is kinda important [18:45] fkin dumbass [18:45] yup [18:45] jeez [18:45] sorry dude [18:45] copy/paste is your friend ☻ [18:45] np ☻ [18:45] smoking a doobie here :/ [18:45] lol [18:45] hahah [18:46] O_O [18:46] errrr [18:47] but its still not working :/ [18:49] https://gist.github.com/joshmyers/d1260aedcfe6f3694c54 [18:49] $%$£% [18:50] I can ssh -i keyfile josh@spring.mydomain.net ok [18:51] ok, but you can't just ssh spring.mydomain.net [18:51] your keyfile is somewhere else then? [18:51] nope I cant [18:51] ProxyCommand ssh -i keyfile josh@spring.mydomain.net nc -q0 %h %p [18:51] try that then [18:52] /home/josh/.ssh/id_rsa is presumably not the keyfile you use then? [18:52] it is [18:53] and are you logging in as josh? [18:53] sorry I can ssh spring.mydomain.net (when hashing out the config file) [18:53] yes [18:54] so I can ssh mydomain ok without the config file [18:54] but using the gist'd config file I cant [18:55] let me compare verbose outputs [18:57] https://gist.github.com/joshmyers/1bcbd63cb14b0804fb73 [18:57] this is a good login [18:57] no, it isn't :) [18:57] the step its not getting to is Remote protocol version [18:58] oh, then again, maybe it is OK [18:58] it logs me in afer [18:58] after [19:02] strange [19:10] celeriac is a great vegetable [19:10] yum yum [19:12] lol [19:12] it is indeed [19:12] AlanBell / popey ? :P [19:19] dunno, but it would be handy for me for one host so I am going to tinker with it [19:21] asda have got a good price on bute atm [19:22] I have found something! [19:22] if I use a particular host rather than wilcard * , it works for that host .... [19:22] wtf?! [19:26] ah, it is going in circles [19:26] sounds like wildcard is not really wildcard [19:26] or wildcards are disabled by some other config [19:27] I think the wildcard is applying itself to the host you want to get to [19:27] I mean the intermediate host [19:27] you know ssh --debug right? [19:27] or -vvvv right [19:27] doing tht ali1234 [19:28] wait do you have two sections with wildcard *? [19:29] yes but its commented out [19:29] hmm [19:31] im still lost ... [19:31] j0sh^: try changing the host line to . . . [19:31] Host * !spring.mydomain.com [19:31] .net rather [19:32] or whatever it is, just exclude the intermediate host from the wildcard [19:32] DUDE [19:32] YOU DA MAN [19:32] * AlanBell does little victory dance [19:33] \o/ === popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | next meeting TBA | ubuntu | AlanBell is "Da man" [19:33] * j0sh^ slaps AlanBell with a wet fish. no dancing! [19:33] :) [19:33] haha [19:33] thanks guys, never seen that before [19:33] wnder why it was doing that [19:33] what's that character after ubuntu and before the pipe and AlanBell's nickname on the topic? [19:34] the logo? [19:34] I am totally going to use that config thingie, there are several places that I have an intermediate hop to [19:34] Myrtti: yes, the logo [19:34] it is in a private use area of unicode [19:34] sladen put it there I think [19:34] right, I don't have it in my fonts then [19:35] http://font.ubuntu.com [19:36] when i fork ubuntu i'm going to replace that glyph with trollface guy [19:36] this will be the only change [19:37] lol [19:37] oh i see so it was trying to connect to the proxy, then matching the *, and then trying to proxy through the proxy... forever [19:37] wife in bed, front door bolted, about to stick a bottle in screaming babys mouth, and a person ignores the cold caller sign to knock on the door to ask for sponsorship for a run they are doing. i dont even know this person. grrr [19:54] blimey, that's rude [19:54] does your wife know them?> [19:54] go wake her up to find out [19:54] I'll wait [19:55] take baby to door and after the person says something, pretend to listen to what the baby is whispering and then reply [19:55] like a baby interpreter [20:00] "babby says no" [20:00] * popey stabs intel graphics [20:02] popey: no, random lady, although repeat offender [20:03] i was carrying bscreaming sprog so no time to tell them why they are so selfish [20:03] "hi, please sponsor me to go door to door asking for sponsorship" [20:04] i can only imagine the person is a bit "special" [20:05] to imagine that strangers would sponsor rather than giving thru trustworthy channels. [20:05] either that, or it's an actual scam [20:06] * Seeker` tries to make bread rise by putting it on top of his CPU exhaust and running prime95 [20:06] have you see the why is my son crying tumblr? [20:09] wow, mum of 37 has 16 kids [20:09] and the other 21? [20:10] oh wait.. she's 37 years old [20:10] ignore me [20:10] The SGI website used to use images of crying babies for its 404 pages. [20:11] channel4 atm [20:11] is that better or worse than a failwhale? [20:11] seem like nice family, not what u expect [20:12] my ex boss has 9 [20:13] catholic? [20:13] yes [20:13] nuffsaid [20:14] lovely chap though ㋛ [20:15] yay, wifey is recording the thing about the family with lots of kids [20:16] watch 5 mins and uve seen it all [20:16] im watching it cos i couldnt reach the remote [20:17] that's mostly my reasoning for sitting in silence with the tv and radio both turned off [20:18] got my new book today 'boys book of airfix' :) [20:24] popey: 19 kids and counting? [20:30] cant fathom these people [20:30] how can any of them get quality time with their parents [20:30] they were both adopted [20:31] yikes, 37 years old and she's got 16 kids [20:31] once u have 6 the others must start helping [20:32] i think the eldest is already spawning too [20:32] helping isnt the issue [20:32] having time with parents is [20:32] older kids can certainly help with getting younger ones dressed, making food, chores etc [20:33] "they want to do it" [20:34] or is it that they just don't know any different [20:34] i know rich people who send kids off to boarding school. not that i agree with it but the 16 kids must see more than the upper class [20:35] not sure how many kids is excessive. more than 6 i guess [20:35] my ex boss has 2 girls in boarding school [20:36] i am one of 5 but spread out 2,3,4 yrs apart each time [20:37] i would be happy stopping at 2 atm [20:40] does anyone else have local buying and selling pages on facebook? proving really good for picking up random 2nd hand stuff for kids [20:43] hah, the 20 year old is getting married after 4 weeks because the guy is paying her attention [20:43] says a lot [20:43] hmm [20:43] 4 weeks? [20:44] of dating? [20:44] yeah [20:44] wanrts to leave crazy home of kids [20:44] or mayhaps she wants her own crazy home of kids? [20:44] could have gone to uni if wanna move out [20:45] she did go to uni and came back [20:46] popey: How much did ya pay for yur Ostrich Head Pillow ? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Awsome-Cute-Ostrich-Pillow-Comfortable-Power-Naps-Anytime-Anywhere-Office-Travel-/370703320600 [20:47] i didnt pay for an ostrich pillow [20:47] Oh sorry. [20:47] I donated to a kickstarter campaign which rewarded me with an ostrich pillow [20:48] Oh yes, it was socks .. forgot. [20:48] I've backed a few kickstarter campaigns, including nabee socks [20:48] 3d pen? [20:48] yeah :D [20:48] I kickstartered some music [20:48] Sophie is looking forward to that [20:48] and I've already received most of that [20:49] would love the pen [20:49] and some games [20:49] I already have a 3d pen .. it cost 45p from ubuntu store ;) [20:49] * AlanBell is waiting for a couple of parallela boards [20:49] .. so are Hurd, but that's another calamity. [20:50] have to change batteries on a ups while running important infratrsucture..never enjoy doing that [20:50] shouldnt go down, but... [20:51] next thing to arrive is goldiblox and ouya [20:51] wonders about popeys fun budget [20:52] more substantial than my own. [20:52] spread over a year [20:52] ouya . there's a missed oppoutunity .. I saw that 'Game Stick' are massively delaying production .. [20:52] austerity demands reduction to £20pm on no-questionsasked purchases [20:53] used to be £35 [20:53] have people donated to geary? [20:53] nope [20:53] i only back ones i think will succeed [20:53] thunderbird works for me [20:53] and I'm certain geary wont [20:54] and I dont think the future is desktop email clients [20:54] I always think a good indicator as top whether the dev/team is good is asking a question like : "Do you know Assembly language ?? " .. and see if they run away. [20:54] ^OUYA team that is. [20:54] i would fund a better shotwell [20:54] yeah, me too [20:54] still on picasa here [20:55] 100,000 is a lot of money for an email client [20:55] how many developers do they have? [20:55] I dont think that team is so 'all-about-libre-software' TBH. [20:55] cant fathom how this guy affords to take his family of 20 to teneriefe [20:55] openshot is over their target, right? [20:55] maybe if they fail they can divvy up into bite size bounty tasks [20:55] yes MartijnVdS [20:57] ali1234, is it? 100,000 is, what, one competent developer for a year, factoring in costs as well as sallary? [20:57] (assuming usd) [20:57] it's a bit more than 1 developer in gbp, but not by much [20:57] popey: your g+ about the 10.10 bug got a bit uncivil.. [20:58] yeah [20:58] didnt expect that [20:58] i felt bad reading it [20:58] may your birthday not be filled with vomiting and shitting. ¬_¬ [20:58] directhex: i think they'd be better off with 10 incompetent developers for 2 months each [20:58] mungbean: can you link that , here ? [20:59] tenerife and it aint even sunny [20:59] wait, ECHAN [20:59] if i could have 14 more of my two, I would, but having that many kids, no way I could spend enough time with each to get them to the same level as my current two [20:59] ali1234, AKA thunderbird? [20:59] directhex: that is more like 100 incompetent developers for 2 days each [21:00] i like being there when my boy talks about procrastinating and prevaricating..he just turned 3 [21:01] my point is 100k is pocket change for a major software development project. evolution easily absorbed over a million dollars in paid developer time over the years [21:01] evolution is a huge bloated beast though [21:01] and one bug makes it unusable usually, wgich isnt fixed [21:03] geary has less than 10% the functionality of evolution, plus it is already half finished [21:03] geary is nice but no search, and tb really is fine oon my desktop for work email [21:04] nothing on telly === GentilePotato is now known as WerePotato [21:11] mungbean: Meanwhile over in An Daingean | http://bit.ly/YbliYp [21:15] haha, news article about women worried about kids having measles [21:15] wifey shouts at the telly 'because they're all fsckwits for not having the mmr' [21:16] that was the jerks fault who published in the science journal [21:16] "biggest medical fraud for decades" [21:16] well, partly, but people are still holding off many years later [21:17] seeds of doubt. thats the FUD wagon [21:17] when i was yhoung, no mums would give their kid the whopping cough jab [21:18] and, the govt told us all the swine flu vaccine was safe , and they prioritised pregnant women [21:18] but 1) my sample of all women at ante natal class who'd had the jab all got a flu-like illness, and none of the abstainers did [21:19] but they didn't die of swine flu tho right? [21:19] and 2) early research into whether children of swine flu jab mums have any issues [21:19] wait which is the one that actually kills you? that was bird flu wasn't it? [21:19] how many people did? [21:20] H5N1 [21:20] swine flu was the big national scare a couple of years ago [21:21] hmm, wifi network drop-out in raring [21:21] somewhat annoying [21:21] remember CJD? whatever happened to that? [21:21] cant file a bug while on wifi [21:21] there was a fear that 50% of britain would have it by 2020 [21:23] mungbean: Some this 'bout china ? http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/plenty-things-worry-china-bird-flu-not-one-174030450.html [21:23] In The Lancet (June 2006), a University College London team suggested that it may take more than 50 years for vCJD to develop, from their studies of kuru, a similar disease in Papua New Guinea.[55] The reasoning behind the claim is that kuru was possibly transmitted through cannibalism in Papua New Guinea when family members would eat the body of a dead relative as a sign of mourning. In the 1950s, cannibalism was banned in PNG [21:24] dads dead, chow down kids [21:25] illness at work rose exponentially while in open plan office [21:25] 2 shared doors for whole office, and one bloke who never washes hands [21:25] maybe more [21:26] be the guy who never washes hands, develop immunity [21:26] if you don't do it, someone else will [21:27] "game theory" [21:28] bug 1167019 [21:28] bug 1167019 in linux (Ubuntu) "wifi packet loss on intel Centrino Wireless-N 1000 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1167019 [21:30] immunity only lasts 2 weeks for stomach bugs i think [21:30] right. gonna try for quick kip on sofa before the next feed at 11.30 === mgdm_ is now known as mgdm === diddledan_ is now known as diddledan === Ng_ is now known as Ng === czajkows1i is now known as czajkowski === WerePotato is now known as GentileBen [22:10] !info bitcoind precise [22:11] bitcoind (source: bitcoin): peer-to-peer network based anonymous digital currency - daemon. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.24~dfsg-1 (precise), package size 477 kB, installed size 1188 kB [22:52] fresh bread is soooooooooooo good