=== Kilos- is now known as Kilos [05:30] hi superfly maiatoday and others [06:09] hi Kilos [06:09] ohi magespawn [06:11] hi Kilos, maiatoday, magespawn (when you get here) [06:11] oh didnt he turn on the show away again? [06:11] maybe [06:18] good morning maiatoday Kilos superfly [06:19] no the power was down briefly last night [06:19] auto rejoin [06:19] aha [06:20] and i could not get on from home last night, flaky 3G [06:20] stable power has become a big prob in za hey [06:20] and 3g has been bad for about 3 weeks now [06:21] maybe time to call 8ta again [06:21] its stable but so slow its eina [06:22] hi magespawn [06:26] just listening to some of the music links you guys posted last night [06:29] good morning Kilos, maia[tab], superfly, magespawn, and all the lurkers [06:29] hi inetpro [06:30] hey inetpro [06:30] argh, vmware giving me grief [06:30] i liked that job description you posted, amusing [06:30] I dont get this, I have a linux system under a vmware instance, if I download files to it, I get 250k/second, if I download the same file to the host machine, I get 18meg/second [06:31] magespawn: yep, thought so myself [06:32] magespawn: looks like a fun place to work for [06:32] if I didn't have enough to do where I am I would apply [06:32] indeed, just not qualified to do all that yet [06:33] and i am in hluhluwe [06:33] heh, general rule about applying for jobs [06:33] apply anyway [06:33] magespawn: if you know someone please refer them there [06:33] dont apply for things you can actually already do, there is no faster way to grow than to throw yourself in the deep end and make yourself sink or swim [06:33] will do inetpro [06:34] seriously, every job I have ever taken when I started it, I had no clue how to do half of it, and then *made* it work [06:34] it forced me to learn, hard and fast [06:34] Symmetria: true just would like to have an vague idea first [06:34] magespawn you think when I originally took the job at tenet that I had any clue how to be a CTO? ;p [06:34] lol, I knew a fair amount of networking, but the rest of it? lol, that I learnt on the job [06:35] (luckily I was relatively good at it) [06:36] Symmetria: I studied Nature Conservation, and I am qualified Field Guide, but all my computer knowledge is very spotty mostly relates to desk top hardware [06:36] morning [06:36] back at work :/ [06:37] hi Squirm Symmetria [06:40] Squirm: :( [06:41] Symmetria: so i would be willing to do it but not too sure if they would take somebody on like that [06:42] magespawn *LOL* that implies you let them know about your lack of experience :) the trick on a cv is never to lie, but rather... divert attention away from the short comings :) [06:43] right, I think the only think on my CV pc related is A+ and two years of running my shop [06:43] and today I cannot get my shared printer to print [06:49] magespawn: in my years of being in IT(not many), I still hate printing [06:49] :/ [06:49] my windows laptop continually loses the network hp printer, drives me mad [06:50] Symmetria: at the RH course I went on last year, our instructor made a joke. 2 printers 1 CUPS [06:50] lol Squirm [06:51] and of course the windows has never be able to print to the shared printer [06:51] I've been too lazy to share my printer on the network, just pass the really long usb cable between machines when someone needs to print [06:51] henkj: it was really funny at the time. completely out of the blue [06:51] i missed that one [06:51] magespawn: I'm glad you missed it. not an experience I'd wish on anyone [06:52] meant the joke [06:52] magespawn: I know [06:52] hah [06:53] I need to get out of my techy field :/ [06:53] magespawn: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_site [06:53] just going to wait out the year. Get RHCE udner my belt [06:54] henkj: how could you post such a thing :O [06:54] especially without being able to watch the reaction [06:54] Squirm: it's wikipedia, it's safe [06:54] :P [06:55] ah, I see it just has a description [06:55] i did have the misfortune of being shown the video in question [06:56] I wanted to do CISSP, but I won't get it through my current job :( [06:56] why RHCE Squirm? [06:59] i thought ubuntu had its own certification [06:59] magespawn: I want to go into Linux Server Administration [07:00] is it difficult? [07:00] Red Hat seemed the most worthwhile option for that [07:00] umm [07:01] i suppose that is relative [07:02] http://www.redhat.com/training/courses/ex200/examobjective [07:02] if you scroll down, there is an exam objectives secion [07:03] personally, I didn't find the first one all that difficult(which is that one) [07:03] you need RHCSA to get your RHCE [07:03] so I'm a certified System Admin [07:04] though, after RHCE, you kind of start... specialising [07:04] Network Security, Performance, SELinux, etc [07:04] get 5 of those and you become a Red Hat Architect [07:04] which is really good [07:05] but Obsidian(the company I did training with), charge about R20k for each of those more, "specialised" courses [07:12] wow [07:34] Squirm: can you do a self study or something online? [07:42] brb restart [07:42] morning peoples [07:43] hi ThatGraemeGuy [07:45] lovely winter preview we've been having down here :o [07:45] brrrrr [07:52] disconnected 20min ago. boss is trying to get our bonded connection up [07:52] magespawn: you can self study and just do the exams [07:52] ex200 = RHCSA [07:52] I think the ex200 exam is about R2500/R3000 [07:56] morning ThatGraemeGuy [07:56] and everyone else who I haven't said hi to yet [07:57] hello superfly [08:21] hi Vince-0 zeref_debian [08:29] Haai [08:38] hey all back from reboot [08:42] [09:51:59] .:Squirm:. disconnected 20min ago. boss is trying to get our bonded connection up [08:42] [09:52:08] .:Squirm:. magespawn: you can self study and just do the exams [08:42] [09:52:20] .:Squirm:. ex200 = RHCSA [08:42] [09:52:38] .:Squirm:. I think the ex200 exam is about R2500/R3000 [08:44] ty Squirm [08:44] that is usually the way i like to do things [08:54] gonna be lotsa magestudy then [08:55] that is a good thing Kilos [08:56] yessir [08:56] one can never know enough [08:58] or too much should i say [09:39] going to finish the others first [10:00] ugh why does multicast have to be such a pain in the ass to setup [10:19] * Symmetria filters hetzner in entirety from all the servers he runs [10:32] superfly: another one of her osngs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCYN-KM6boA [10:32] lol Symmetria [10:32] shame :p [10:32] s/osngs/songs/ === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [10:41] hi theblazehen Trixar_za [10:41] hi Kilos [10:42] * inetpro now has very mixed feelings after a call from Vodacom - they finally have a Note II in stock [10:42] Hi Kilos [10:42] now to decide, take it or wait? [10:43] inetpro, why not take it? [10:43] theblazehen: the S4 is coming [10:43] ok [10:43] and then CellC has just announced new pricing [10:44] nice [10:44] * inetpro needs to consider all options very carefully now [10:44] true [10:45] I found someone coming from the States in 2 weeks [10:45] Nexus 4, here I come [10:45] Squirm, awesome [10:45] Squirm: that's a nice phone, but how does it stack up against the S4? [10:46] inetpro: it's just better than the S3 [10:46] so it doesnt :P [10:49] inetpro: besides being $350 USD to the 16Gb version [10:49] s/to/for [10:50] Squirm: $350 for the Nexus? [10:50] that Nexus is from LG? [10:51] inetpro: yep [10:51] www.google.co.za/nexus/4 [10:52] the only downfall I can see. is it doesn't have an sd card slot [10:52] those Nexus phones have always been good but I don't know LG to much [10:52] but R3500 vs R7000 between the Nexus 4 and S3, just for a micro sd card [10:52] well, I'm going out on a limb and trusting google on this one [10:53] and hoping google made good judgement [11:05] isn't the nexus 4 one of the phones that supports ubuntu touch? [11:10] indeed [11:13] that would swing it for me then [11:40] * inetpro wonders what makes it work for ubuntu touch, why can the newer devices not run ubuntu touch? [11:41] surely it's just a matter of time until people have figured how to do it? [11:41] inetpro: yeah it is [11:42] I just it's getting it to work with the hardware [11:54] * magespawn would like someone to port to the n900 [12:07] hi psyatw [12:08] hi Kilos === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [12:41] inetpro: het jy opgelet die vliee is baie minder vanjaar === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [12:56] Kilos: why? [12:57] i think its because of the increase of wasps, they eat fly larvae [12:57] Squirm: note that with the nexus 4 you can't remove the battery [12:58] * inetpro looking at battery life I should get the Note II [12:59] Kilos: ahh, that sounds like an interesting point [12:59] I did notice as well [12:59] they been min this year. [12:59] inetpro: I know [12:59] lekker though, flies are a big nuisance [13:00] Squirm: just as long as you know [13:00] ouch Squirm . battery goes you gotta buy a new fone [13:00] inetpro: the price still puts it in my good books though :P [13:00] I get very irritated about bad battery life of these modern phones [13:02] so far I have found that after two years of usage it's time to replace a battery [13:02] inetpro: thing is. for the same price. I have a choice between the Nexus 4 or the Gaaxy s2 [13:03] s/gaaxy/Galaxy [13:03] does anyone import the nexus 4 at a decent price yet? [13:03] tonberry352_: I couldnt fine anything [13:03] I see the 8Gbs going for R5k on bidorbuy [13:03] i gave up looking a while ago [13:04] and Esquire also had them for about R5k, but they havent sold them for about 6months [13:24] maybe cacell.co.za? [13:24] R5k [13:24] price fixing [13:25] I lie [13:25] R6k [13:25] i like the look of the note II [13:25] magespawn: it is nice. just a fair amount larger than the Nexus 4 [13:26] 5.5", I see the S4 is 5" [13:26] S3 and Nexus 4 is 4.7" [13:27] not much change [13:28] S2 is 4.3" I think [13:30] as a phone. the 4.7" is a push for me. I like the size of the S2 [13:30] even the S3 mini at 4" [13:38] looks ways i would like the nokia lumnia 920 [13:38] lumia [13:55] hey magespawn i think i found the prob with ians pc. not bios but psu [13:55] watching to see if it crashes again [13:55] really? what exactly? [13:56] im lost. sometimes worked and other times not [13:56] or would crash halfway through an install [13:57] have you checked the voltage outputs on the psu? [13:57] nope just swopped to see and it works with my psu in it [13:58] ahh probable the cause then [13:58] will put it in my pc and check voltages with pc health in bios [13:58] but test and retest [13:58] yeah [14:00] http://www.efnet.org/ <=== nice, hetzner supports ddos kiddies [14:00] in the name of revenue [14:02] magespawn: http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Cases-and-Cooling/Ultra-Power-Supply-Tester-Review [14:02] I hope you have something like that [14:06] something similar, mine does not look as good [14:09] good. cause wow they're helpful [14:18] anybody used/heard of these guys http://www.pifactory.co.za/Online [14:21] Maaz USD to ZAR [14:21] magespawn: Sorry... [14:21] wrong command [14:23] Maaz google USD to ZAR [14:23] magespawn: "USDZAR=X: Summary for USD/ZAR- Yahoo! Finance" http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=USDZAR=X :: "USD to ZAR Exchange Rate - Bloomberg" http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/USDZAR:CUR :: "USD to ZAR - Currency Converter" http://themoneyconverter.com/USD/ZAR.aspx :: "ZAR to USD - Currency Converter" http://themoneyconverter.com/ZAR/USD.aspx :: "Convert United States [14:23] Dollars (USD) and South African Rand (ZAR ..." http://coinmill.com/USD_ZAR.html :: "XE.com … [14:23] Maaz ty [14:23] You are welcome magespawn [14:33] later all, home time [15:06] hi magespawn [15:06] hi Squirm [15:06] hi inetpro [15:08] they all on the way home methinks [15:08] yeah, I think so too [15:08] and I will do the same thing soon as well [15:08] psyatw: sup? [15:09] inetpro, I finally finished sending all the documents to my future employer, so now I have a few more weeks to finish setting up everything here at my friend's office before we're moving to Poland at the beginning of next month [15:10] I was very tired for the past few days, I hope it will be better in the course of this week [15:10] inetpro, and what about you? [15:11] psyatw: what are you setting up? [15:12] inetpro, the entire office environment here already runs ubuntu servers and kubuntu desktops, I just need to take care of a few last-minute things [15:13] well in this channel you don't ask to ask, just ask [15:15] of course, I know [15:15] but I think in general I already know everything I need to know or I figure it out easily [15:15] I just have some instabilities with ubuntu kernels, but I think I'll figure that out too [15:16] What kind of instabilities? Which are the main culprits? [15:17] the systems crash with a kernel dump and it's hard for me to pinpoint where exactly the problems lie [15:18] I suspect they may be related to graphics, but I am not sure and I don't know much about kernel debugging (even if I know quite a bit about kernel internals) [15:20] no trace in syslog? [15:24] ai! [15:24] miles__: uh oh! What happened? [15:25] swopped modem from ians pc to mine [15:25] forgot that ghost command [15:26] Maaz: ghost [15:26] inetpro: ghost is /msg NickServ GHOST [15:26] ty === miles__ is now known as Kilos [15:27] wb Kilos [15:27] Kilos: BTW, an easy way for GUI guys to view system logs in KDE is ksystemlog [15:27] ty inetpro [15:27] oh not the cat tail thingie [15:27] just press Alt+F2 and type ksystemlog [15:28] and hope it scrolls in the right direction... [15:28] hehe [15:28] and it's probably somewhere in your menu [15:28] inetpro, I'll have a look later [15:28] Kilos: under the System menu [15:29] why you telling me this? my kde works [15:29] but it's a bit embarrassing to experience these crashes while all other things work fine [15:29] Kilos: for next time :-) [15:29] ai! [15:30] there must be a reason psyatw [15:30] inetpro: you remember much better than me [15:30] Kilos, I think some patch in the kernel causes them, they didn't occur before with the desktops running on Slackware [15:31] and you my friend so when i get stuck ill ask you [15:31] but apart from that kubuntu works really well, I don't have anything to complain about it [15:31] Kilos: go look at it, it's quite nifty [15:32] whew lotsa info [15:33] understanding what you see is the trick [15:35] psyatw: there must be a way to see whats going wrong [15:35] did you look at that ksystemlog [15:40] Kilos, so far I haven't had a look at that, but I looked at dmesg before [15:40] Kilos, I think I'll just try some unpatched ubuntu kernels and see how those perform [15:41] ah [15:41] I could learn about debugging kernels everything and I should, but now is not the right time for that [15:43] a [15:43] b [15:44] That reminds me [15:44] * Trixar_za strokes RazorQt [15:44] bakuman: and c? [15:45] ek ken nie die alfabet so ver nie [15:45] ai! [15:49] I love how people will always develop a lightweight alternative for every kind of enviroment [15:50] For GNOME it's XFCE4 and (really lightweight) LXDE. For KDE there is now Razor-qt that uses Qt4 as it's base. [15:59] and you can always go openbox or xmonad or a few others i cant remember [16:00] Trixar_za: you using kde now? [16:02] No, but I have Qt and GTK installed [16:02] so I can play with Razor-qt [16:03] Actually, it's the only reason besides VLC that I have Qt installed [16:16] It's still a little hard to explain to people that I don't use Linux as a toy when I actually spend so much time playing with components for it. [16:16] Well, it's not an average Window user's idea of a toy anyway :P [16:16] Windows* [16:38] yikes! [16:39] * inetpro just got a popup message "Your battery capacity is 48%. This means your battery is broken and needs a replacement." [17:06] ouch inetpro [17:07] not sure what to make of that, see someone reporting that as a bug [17:07] on gentoo that is [17:07] cell battery? [17:07] http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-857650-view-previous.html?sid=f4da77c40ee69bfc44710e586109b13c [17:07] Kilos: no, on the laptop [17:07] oh lappy [17:08] well lets hope its a bug and not a messed up battery [17:08] sadly I can not see any value for the battery in the BIOS [17:09] when last was it charged? [17:09] it's always in the charger [17:09] oh never allowed to run down some? [17:09] very very seldom that I run with no power [17:10] * inetpro wbb [17:10] dinner [17:10] me too [17:23] hi georgelappies [17:40] ok I was wrong [17:40] today we had no power at home [17:40] and my laptop must have run down [17:41] left it on at home [17:43] but perhaps it's memory is confused a bit... running now without power to see how things go [17:44] whew [17:44] hi Cantide [17:44] i go bath now [17:44] wbb [17:45] hey Kilos :p [17:45] see ya [17:45] haha [17:49] Ah, kbmonkey is the next meeting's chair [17:52] cool :) [17:54] * inetpro watching battery losing it's power with: while :; do echo `date '+%T'` `upower -d | egrep "percentage|capacity"`; sleep 60;done [17:54] 19:54:06 percentage: 77.8836% capacity: 48.4615% [18:01] hi Kilos [18:01] lol [18:02] you understand that inetpro [18:02] how old is the lappy battery? [18:03] arent they like cell phones. lucky if they make 2 years [18:06] Right, burned through my 2G+1GB promo data [18:07] whew so quick Trixar_za [18:07] not even 2 weeks [18:07] First half was because I might be losing it at the end of that month [18:08] So I only had a 1/4 of the data left at the beginning of the month [18:08] Not bad though [18:08] wow i thought you only bought it on the 1st [18:09] i gotta check if its still available [18:09] I think it was like the 19th or something [18:09] ah [18:09] Mostly downloaded games with it [18:09] i hope they aint dumped it [18:09] aha [18:10] Let's see if http://onnet.8ta.com/ still lists it [18:10] I have 120.73 on the phone as airtime already [18:10] whew [18:10] i got 17 [18:10] hehe [18:11] So I just have to add like R30 to buy another bundle [18:11] great thats if they aint dumped it [18:11] then 129 gets 1g [18:11] Yeah, it still shows on the onnet site [18:12] maybe i must get it tonight. whats left here wont make the month end i think [18:15] I'll get it tomorrow [18:16] hello [18:17] Kilos: SORRY, WAS ON THE PHONE [18:17] np [18:18] oops [18:18] hello Squirm [18:18] * inetpro not shouting [18:18] np inetpro its easier to see [18:18] hehe [18:18] :-) [18:18] 20:18:07 percentage: 31.7989% capacity: 48.4615% [18:19] would be interesting to see what the capacity is after a full charge [18:19] I think it's probably broken [18:19] but it's not yet 2 years old [18:20] looks like it yeah [18:20] can you run it totally flat without losing anything? [18:20] going down quickly now [18:21] I think it will do a forced shutdown, let's see [18:21] 20:21:07 percentage: 25.8201% capacity: 48.4615% [18:21] yeah that capacity stays at 48.4615% [18:24] now below 20 [18:27] are you playing music or something? [18:27] or is it just the screen eating it [18:27] 20:27:07 percentage: 12.4868% capacity: 48.4615% [18:27] just the screen, plus web browsing [18:27] whew [18:28] web browsing is heavy on resources [18:28] dont lose google youll be lost without it [18:28] :-) [18:28] lol [18:28] old version of the google+ site used to really hurt my battery life [18:29] what do them batteries cost? [18:29] I have no idea [18:29] i think they are expensive [18:30] battery critical now [18:30] i wanted to get one for ians lappy once [18:32] wow [18:32] 20:32:14 percentage: 0% capacity: 48.4615% [18:32] still running on 0% [18:32] but it locked me out at about 2% [18:33] just logged back in and am still running [18:33] wow [18:33] maybe it's that other 52% [18:34] or rather 51.5385% [18:34] it drains quickly though 'o' [18:38] Cantide: yep it does, but I have always seen it drain quickly on this Mecer [18:38] even when it was still new... at the office I have a Dell that lasts much longer [18:38] this will be very interesting [18:39]