[00:00] <Quest> ^ patdk-lap
[00:00] <patdk-lap> you should concern yourself much more with, how to make a backup that isn't corrupted first
[00:00] <Quest> yes.
[00:00] <patdk-lap> why do you care about mbr on a backup? that is pointless
[00:00] <Quest> heres an idea. i will brb in 15 mins. manager call
[00:00] <Quest> dd the first 512 k data with dd and rsync for all other data?
[00:00] <Quest> but where to put the data and where the mbr. if both are on same HDD . how the HDD would know which data is in partition 1 and which is on partition 2? do you mean first copy mbr / table . then rsync?
[00:00] <patdk-lap> well, what your talking about, is not a backup
[00:01] <patdk-lap> if you want to run raid1, run raid1
[00:01] <patdk-lap> don't confuse it with a backup
[00:16] <Quest> patdk-lap,  for doesnt dd mbr + rsync data makes a clone?  raid1 will be an other  HDD running with the system. we want backup in case of crash/ theft/ natural hazards
[00:16] <patdk-lap> it defently won't
[00:16] <patdk-lap> it will make something approxamate, but defently not a clone, and defently not accurate
[00:16] <Quest> why not?
[00:17] <Quest> why not it will be accurate?
[00:17] <patdk-lap> cause you fail to understand how harddrives work, and how rsync works
[00:17] <patdk-lap> I'm sorry, I'm not in the mood to give a 2hour lecture
[00:17] <Quest> steps: dd mbr copy, formate partitions manually, rsync data
[00:17] <Quest> patdk-lap,  ok
[00:18] <patdk-lap> just be happy, you won't have to attempt to restore your system from something made that way
[00:18] <Quest> sarnold,  any comments?
[00:18] <Quest> for a running system, steps: dd mbr copy, formate partitions manually, rsync data
[00:18] <patdk-lap> rsync should never be used on *changing data*
[00:19] <Quest> at the point where there will be no or minor disk activity
[00:19] <patdk-lap> sorry, only *no* will not cause corruption
[00:19] <patdk-lap> minor means you might loose some data, or all data
[00:19] <Quest> can dd be used then?
[00:20] <patdk-lap> same issue with dd
[00:20] <patdk-lap> and it can be worse
[00:20] <Quest> hm
[00:20] <patdk-lap> this is what lvm is for
[00:20] <Quest> then what is the solution for a running system
[00:20] <Quest> lvm?
[00:21] <Quest> whats lvm
[00:22] <sarnold> Quest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_(Linux)
[00:22] <blkperl> Quest: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/advanced-installation.html#lvm
[00:23] <sarnold> Quest: LVM would help you make an rsync-safe copy of your data, IF you make asterisk quiet and use mysqldump to dump your data. lvm won't let you do the dd backup on a running system either..
[00:24] <Quest> hm
[00:25] <Quest> ok. I would study that
[00:28] <Patrickdk> sarnold, heh? you can do dd with lvm just fine, it's alittle overkill though
[00:28] <Quest> thx
[00:29] <Patrickdk> you don't even need to do mysqldump, but you do need to atleast do a lock on the tables
[00:30] <Quest> sarnold,  blkperl  ^
[00:30] <sarnold> Patrickdk: .. won't you need to remount ro to ensure the filesystem is in a quiescent state first?
[00:30] <Quest> i think for the moment until i get hands on lvm, i whould have to sacrifize and shutdown system , the use dd to clone the HDD.
[00:31] <Patrickdk> sarnold, well, it won't be, that is a given
[00:31] <Patrickdk> you will loose alittle bit of data changing even with lvm
[00:32] <Patrickdk> unless the fs can quiescent, I think xfs can
[00:32] <Patrickdk> but likely journalling is enough to fix that
[00:32] <Patrickdk> and the stuff you care about, should be quiescent manually, like mysql
[00:32] <Quest> hm
[00:33] <Quest> in night. the voip server has no activity...  no calls
[00:33] <Quest> so no disk activity
[00:33] <Patrickdk> no calls != no activity
[00:33] <lifeless> the kernel has support for the fs quiescence
[00:33] <Patrickdk> there will be sip transactions, keepalives, ...
[00:33] <RoyK> Quest: oh, not using asterisk, are we?
[00:33] <Quest> ignorable?
[00:34] <Quest> RoyK,  yes :)
[00:34] <sarnold> Patrickdk: heh, I'd rather not rely on filesystem journalling for my own backup systems.. hehe
[00:34] <RoyK> Quest: http://karlsbakk.net/fun/asterisk-installation.wav
[00:34] <Quest> RoyK,  its installed an running
[00:35] <sarnold> RoyK: :)
[00:35] <RoyK> Quest: sure, I'm just saying I've been working with that pile of (unmentionable) for some years
[00:36] <Quest> RoyK,  yes
[00:37] <RoyK> after working with that code for some years and trying to get digium to fix obvious bugs - well - I got a new job
[00:45] <DanC> I have an LVM vg on 2 disks. I just bought an SSD to replace one of them. I wonder if I want a dedicated vg for the SSD or not
[02:11] <Josh12> is anyone here familiar with setting up access levels for file access?
[02:12] <Josh12> hello?
[02:22] <ia0001> hello why is flash not working on 12.04 lts?
[02:24] <sarnold> ia0001: what bug number?
[02:26] <ia0001> it wasnt a bug number
[02:26] <ia0001> flash just wont start on chrome or firefox
[02:31] <ia0001> hello
[02:31] <ia0001> is there some reason ubuntu server will not allow flash player
[02:31] <ia0001> does it have something to do with firewall or proxy?
[02:32] <sarnold> well, the server does not have a GUI at all
[02:32] <sarnold> but if you _have_ installed firefox and flash and either vnc or x11 or something, it ought to work just fine..
[02:35] <ia0001> its not working
[02:35] <ia0001> what is vnc or x11
[02:35] <ia0001> I install ubuntu-dekstop
[02:35] <sarnold> vnc is a remote graphics protocol; x11 is the usual graphics server
[02:35] <sarnold> that probably installs x11 :)
[02:37] <ia0001> ok
[02:37] <ia0001> that not the problem it doesnt work!
[02:37] <ia0001> flash doesnt work in chrome or firefox
[02:37] <sarnold> have you filed a bug report?
[02:40] <ia0001> i mean ... no one has encountered this problem with ubuntu 12.04 lts?
[02:40] <ia0001> its not a bug it just doesnt work
[02:41] <DanC> perhaps you could be more specific? "doesn't work" is not much to go on
[02:41] <DanC> what did you try?
[02:41] <DanC> what happened/
[02:41] <DanC> etc. http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[02:51] <sarnold> ia0001: I just tried an updated 12.04 LTS system, flash playback works fine on youtube.com..
[02:56]  * patdk-lap defently has never encountered this issue in ubuntu-server :)
[02:57] <patdk-lap> I also have not had that issue on ubuntu-desktop
[03:00] <acidflash> im trying to modprobe a driver into the kernel, and it keeps telling me that the file doesnt exist, where should i put it for the modprobe to see it? i have tried in /lib/modules/uname -r/
[03:01] <sarnold> acidflash: did you run 'modprobe' first? (iirc, modprobe -a... but look it up...)
[03:01] <sarnold> sigh.
[03:01] <sarnold> I fail.
[03:01] <acidflash> yes
[03:01] <sarnold> acidflash: did you run 'depmod' first? :)
[03:01] <acidflash> depmod -a
[03:01] <sarnold> again, depmod -a..
[03:01] <sarnold> hehe
[03:02] <sarnold> acidflash: I'd have put it under /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/  -- does that make a difference?
[03:03] <acidflash> let me try
[03:07] <acidflash> actually it looks like putting it anywhere inside kernel, and then depmod -a worked alright
[03:08] <sarnold> acidflash: cool, thanks
[03:08] <acidflash> sarnold: thank you.
[03:13] <ia0001> anyone had problem where flash isnt working in Ubuntu servr
[03:15] <RoyK> ia0001: well, for one, I don't use a GUI on my ubuntu servers
[03:15] <ia0001> 12.04 lts
[03:15] <RoyK> servers don't come with a graphical interface
[03:15] <RoyK> so, no, flash doesn't work
[03:18] <ia0001> flash doesn work
[03:18] <ia0001> ive gotten it to work before I though
[03:18] <ia0001> what are you talking about
[03:18] <ia0001> it shold work its the same thing
[03:19] <sarnold> ia0001: you may have better success in #ubuntu -- flash isn't a server component
[03:20] <RoyK> or #ubuntu-desktop
[03:20] <ScottK> RoyK: User support isn't on topic in #ubuntu-desktop.
[03:21] <RoyK> ok - sorry
[03:22] <patdk-lap> ya, it's just normal, #ubuntu channel
[05:39] <ivoks> is there a ppa of the cloud archive? so i could make my own ppa depend on cloud archive? i did found stagging...
[08:19] <Katafalkas> Hey,
[08:20] <Katafalkas> I got mysql running on Ubuntu server. and altho time on Ubuntu is correct - EEST, the mysql time is different. Why is it that mysql takes different timezone to current ubuntu timezone ?
[08:23] <Jeeves_> https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/time-zone-support.html
[08:23] <sw> Katafalkas mysql> SET GLOBAL time_zone = timezone;
[08:23] <Jeeves_> Maybe you can see which timezone-setting it has now?
[08:24] <Katafalkas> mysqladmin variables | grep time , gives time_zone SYSTEM
[08:24] <Katafalkas> oh
[08:24] <Katafalkas> and system_time_zone is EEST
[08:24] <Katafalkas> which is correct
[08:25] <Katafalkas> ohhh ... craaap ! ok. it is all fine now. nvm :D
[08:25] <Katafalkas> really sorry to bother
[08:34] <pii3> hey
[08:35] <pii3> is anyone here have any experience with openchange server ?
[09:54] <beck_> hello
[09:54] <beck_> I have a question about bonding that I could not find info on. Typical we use LACP/802.3ad however for a low budget solution we are stuck using layer 2 switch and active-backup. It seems to work ok until I drop a switch and it never recovers. I suspect I have something wrong with my configuration. Any ideas?
[09:54] <beck_> I was using https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBonding as a reference and I'm running precise
[11:21] <rsthelord> hey guys!! how do i found out my default network interface? i.e. is it eth0 or eth1?
[11:21] <ogra_`> route -n
[11:22] <ogra_`> the first line should be your default route
[11:22] <rsthelord> can i please pm you?
[11:24] <ogra_`> just keep it here, there are likely more knowledgeable people than me in the channel if it comes to server
[11:39] <Walther> Hello! Trying to use apt-dater from my workstation to update&upgrade a ubuntu server, I'm getting ldconfig / not found in PATH errors
[12:21] <coffeedude> screen -dr
[14:01] <Daviey> zul: Can you work out a target date when we will do our last grizzly bugfix snapshot for raring, pre-release?
[14:01] <Daviey> adam_g, jamespage, yolanda, smoser ^
[14:01] <zul> Daviey:  im queuing up a bunch of backports for stable/grizzly that we should have a look
[14:03] <Daviey> zul: right.. but i want us to work out a schedule for the last one.
[14:04] <zul> Daviey:  sure
[14:08] <zul> Daviey:  i would like to push one out thursday at ods since its always the most quiet day at ODS
[14:41] <cereal> So I've setup bonding with a bridge.  Everything is working fine except every once in a while on reboot the mac-address changes even though I've set the hwaddress of my bond interface.  This never was a problem before I added the bridge to the setup.  Any tips or suggestions on what to do?  Seems like 25% of the time it uses one of the ethX interface hwaddresses instead.  http://hastebin.com/xacodoride.cpp
[14:45] <bbrelin> Question for a support person.  If I create a VM using xen-create-image <params> do I then have to do an xm create?  If not, should I be able to see the new VM with xm list?
[14:52] <bbrelin> Hello?  Any support people in the forum?
[15:25] <bbrelin> Hello?  Any support people on?
[15:32] <rbasak> !patience | bbrelin
[15:32] <bbrelin> Thanks.
[15:33] <bbrelin> Okay, my new question is.  When I run a xen-create-image and specify a mirror and a dist option, should that not completely install the distro on the VM?
[15:34] <bbrelin> What I'm finding is that I run the xen-create-image, then do an xm create <config file> and then when I try and do an xm console <domain>,
[15:34] <bbrelin> I go into the Ubuntu installation screen.
[15:34] <bbrelin> How do I get xen-create-image to actually do the install of the distro on the VM?
[16:12] <jamespage> plars, I might have a hint as to what issue you are seeing with iscsi-testing
[16:12] <jamespage> I've tested OK for amd64 with todays raring image
[16:12] <plars> jamespage: oh?
[16:13] <jamespage> plars, there was a bug with the cirrus kvm driver that made it look like the vm froze on boot
[16:13] <jamespage> confused the hell out of me
[16:13] <jamespage> it might be back
[16:13] <plars> jamespage: ah, I remember that going back a ways... iirc it was fixed though at one point
[16:13] <jamespage> I just switched to vga for one that looked broken and rebooted and its fine
[16:15] <plars> jamespage: jamespage so you just s/cirrus/vga in domain-iscsi-testing.xml?
[16:15] <jamespage> well I did it through virt-manager - but that would have the same effect for a new vm
[16:15] <jamespage> plars, yep - I can see the rrro in the kernel log
[16:16] <jamespage> cirrus_vram_init: ERROR *****
[16:16] <plars> jamespage: iirc, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1054129 was the bug that existed on it before
[16:17] <plars> hallyn: know if maybe this has regressed?
[16:17] <jamespage> plars, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5695831/
[16:18] <jamespage> smb, ^^
[16:19] <hallyn> plars: i don't know, no.  the previous 'solution' was just t ohave the kernel not deafult to it right?
[16:20] <plars> hallyn: don't recall, you may be right. If that's the case then it would explain why this still fails since jamespage scripts specify to use cirrus.
[16:20] <plars> jamespage: confirmed, changing it to vga makes it work for me here too
[16:25] <hallyn> plars: yeah i've assumed that -vga cirrus is still broken everywhere and not recommended
[16:25] <hallyn> if that needs to be raised in priority give me a shout,
[16:25] <hallyn> but i assume you can't run unity in that anyway, so -vga qxl or -vga vmware is recommended
[16:25] <plars> hallyn: true
[16:25] <plars> jamespage: so can we just change that default in your script then?
[16:26] <jamespage> plars, sure
[16:26] <hallyn> (not saying i'm happy with that)
[16:28] <plars> hallyn: yes, but being that it's a kernel video driver issue that still needs to be fixed, it's pointless to block iscsi testing on it
[16:28] <hallyn> plars: lol, yes it is :)
[16:29] <hallyn> (yup, i'm running screen -e^Bb inside screen inside screen -e^Yy...  it's ok, i can go a few more levels)
[16:32] <sarnold> Hallyn's review of Inception: "kinda bland"
[16:32] <hallyn> "amateurs"
[16:32] <sarnold> :)
[16:33] <hallyn> actually i haven't seen it yet.  but i've read enough about it in imgur comments :)
[16:33] <sarnold> haha
[16:55] <Siraris> I seem to be locked out of my EC2 instance (something seems to be wrong with my public key).  Is there any way that I can get around this since I can't associate a new key with my current instance?  Or do I have to create an entirely new one
[16:57] <sarnold> Siraris: are you perhaps using your regular username and not ubuntu -- or the other way around?
[16:57] <Siraris> sarnold: No sir.  I've been logging in the same way for weeks now ssh -i /pathtokey ubuntu@myip
[16:58] <Siraris> It just stopped working for no reason
[16:58] <sarnold> Siraris: darn :(
[16:59] <Siraris> And AWS support won't respond to me on the forums
[17:05] <Siraris> Is my only recourse creating a new instance?
[17:05] <sarnold> I hope not, but I don't know what else to suggest..
[17:06] <Siraris> Can I attach it to a different instance and check the .ssh directory for ubuntu?
[17:07] <sarnold> Siraris: you mght be able to use euca-get-console-output to try to see what is output on the console..
[17:10] <Siraris> sarnold: so I have the messed up volume mounted
[17:11] <Siraris> sarnold: and it's set to rw for ubuntu/ubuntu
[17:11] <Siraris> That looks ok right?
[17:12] <sarnold> Siraris: likely... (I'm not an ec2 expert by any stretch..)
[17:13] <Siraris> How can I store my new key in the authorized_key file?
[17:13] <sarnold> Siraris: can you mount it in another instance?
[17:13] <Siraris> It already is
[17:14] <sarnold> ah :)
[17:14] <sarnold> scp your ~/.ssh/id_whatever.pub file to the remote host; cat id_whatever.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[17:15] <Siraris> Well Amazon generates a pem file
[17:15] <Siraris> Which is my private key
[17:15] <Siraris> I need the public key based on that
[17:30] <zerick> Hi guys, i have the following problem after running apt-get update http://paste.debian.net/248719/
[17:33] <Siraris> Man, as much as people tout AWS, it's a serious pain in the ass.  It now tells me I have no instances
[17:33] <zul> adam_g/jamespage:  -S -sa --changes-option=-DDistribution=precise
[17:33] <zul> erg..
[17:33] <zul> adam_g/jamespage: http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/ca/
[17:35] <adam_g> zul, have you built + tested the new JS/CSS?
[17:35] <Siraris> sarnold: I fixed it.  I generated a new key pair on my local machine, copied the public key into my authorized_keys file and it works fine now.  Incase anyone asks in the future :)
[17:35] <sarnold> Siraris: excellent :)
[17:45] <zul> adam_g:  looks ok
[17:48] <geekbri> so uh.... looks like the openjdk 7 packages in ubuntu server 12.04 have broken /usr/lib/jvm symlinks
[17:55] <zul> adam_g:  looks ok to me
[19:07] <adam_g> zul, hmm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nova/+bug/1167512
[19:07] <adam_g> zul, do we need to override the defaults in nova/paths.py in nova.conf now? wonder what else is similarly broken
[19:08] <zul> adam_g: wt..
[19:08] <kaje> I'm configuring pam to only allow logins from a particular group. I'm following this how-to: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-deny-allow-linux-user-group-login.html
[19:09] <kaje> My concern is that I am basically setting up a whitelist for groups and I want to be sure I'm not going to screw up some built-in user by not including some built-in group.
[19:09] <kaje> Is there some list of the standard built in groups and what they are used for?
[19:13] <zul> adam_g: looking
[19:22] <tonyyarusso> kaje: well, there are built-in users and groups, but they don't "log in", so I think you're fine...
[19:22] <kaje> Ok, great. Thanks
[19:26] <tonyyarusso> kaje: The main thing I'm not quite sure about is how it affects cron.
[19:39] <zul> adam_g: *sigh*
[19:40] <zul> adam_g: so linux_net changed how it handles nova-dhcpbridge so if its specified in your nova.conf then it bails when someone tries to start an instance
[19:41] <adam_g> zul, i dont understand
[19:42] <lolbee> hello
[19:42] <lolbee> is ubuntu server supposed to boot into a flasing underscore and nothing else?
[19:48] <adam_g> zul, it looked like the default directory where it would look for something like nova-dhcpbridge has changed, with defaults being set in paths.py
[20:28] <zul> adam_g:  yeah thats what i meant so if someone has nova-dhcpbridge in their nova.conf then it will bail out
[20:28] <zul> i was able to reproduce it here
[20:29] <adam_g> zul, why would nova-dhcpbridge matter? it seems by default its looking for it @ $bindir/nova-dhcpbridge, but bindir=/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/bin/ or w/e
[20:31] <zul> yeah im not sure still
[20:31] <zul> its obviously a regression
[21:29] <Steve____> Hi, is there any way in a .sql file to spool to a file named after the current date? At the moment we spool to a fixed path
[21:37] <patdk-lap> heh? what is a .sql file?