[00:01] rsalveti: seems I can't test my stuff with github for a bit: "message": "API Rate Limit Exceeded for 190.17.x.x" [00:04] sergiusens: lol [00:04] sergiusens: let me know if I can help [00:05] I also got a vpn (hidemyass.com) [00:06] rsalveti: ah, if I auth I get more reqs :-) [00:08] sergiusens: cool [00:10] * sergiusens tries to remember his github password [00:11] rsalveti: I am now Unauthorized instead of Forbidden :-P [00:11] sergiusens: haha [00:11] now they know it's you [00:13] rsalveti: need to fill in the forgot password form again :-/ [00:13] sergiusens: isn't it the one you use for you blog as well? [00:16] rsalveti: ssh keys and web login passwords are different [00:16] sergiusens: right :-) [00:16] rsalveti: to add up to the issues, I stopped paying my ieee subscription and my email relay has been shutdown it seems :-P [00:17] blogs at github is kind of new to me :-) [00:17] sergiusens: hahah [00:21] rsalveti: it's not a blog as in _today_'s terms, it's a satic blog [00:21] rsalveti: http://nikola.ralsina.com.ar/ [00:21] rsalveti: I just commit the output to github pages: http://pages.github.com/ [00:21] sergiusens: cool === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [02:25] hi every one [02:25] i need help and advice [02:26] i am ubuntu fan, and i would like to be ubuntu developer, but i don't know how and where to start [02:27] any syggestion , ideas from the experties here, i know that's always the first step is the hardest step, that's why i came here [02:29] do you have any previous knowledge about development or programming [02:30] Sahir ^ [02:30] yes [02:30] what languages [02:30] english,and arabic [02:30] er, programming languages [02:31] i know c++, littile of java [02:31] I would say that python is preffered in Ubuntu Desktop, now in Ubuntu Touch apps, QML and Javascript should be enough, some c++ will help [02:32] you can also use QML on the desktop though [02:32] i c [02:32] search que Ubuntu SDK guides [02:32] ok, that sounds good [02:32] and follow them, create the sample app and go from there [02:33] thanks [02:33] :) [02:33] no problem [02:41] rsalveti: still here? [02:41] sergiusens: yup [02:42] rsalveti: awesome, I just had some dinner and going to send in some patches (very minor) that I did when my github thing died [02:43] sergiusens: ok [02:43] sergiusens: we need to rebase the nm mr [02:43] sergiusens: and the current mr fails to build for me [02:43] network-manager-packaging/debian/patches/series:git_machine_id_duid_gen_1d14d17.patch [02:43] which is not there [02:43] sergiusens: https://code.launchpad.net/~network-manager/network-manager/ubuntu.raring [02:44] sergiusens: cyphermox_ pushed a new version at raring a few hours ago [02:44] sergiusens: mind updating the mr? [02:44] https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-extras/network-manager-packaging/+merge/155388 [02:45] I'm finally able to check and test all the pending mrs as I got my internet back :-) [02:47] sergiusens: that's an easy one, will push [02:50] rsalveti: it's 4 [02:50] rsalveti: :-) [02:50] sergiusens: yeah, just got them [03:05] sergiusens: all pushed [03:06] rsalveti: ok, just checked and github api is allowing me to use it again... one more step and everything breakfast will work [03:06] rsalveti: but that's a tomorrow task :-) [03:06] sergiusens: cool [03:07] going to zZzZz now [03:07] sergiusens: I manually merged latest nm and I'm testing it here [03:07] should update or create a new mr later today for you to test tomorrow [03:08] rsalveti: awesome, I might make some tea and stay a little longer :) [03:08] sergiusens: don't worry too much, will take a few to build === jishnu7|away is now known as jishnu7 === jussi01 is now known as jussi === jono is now known as Guest75135 === tal_ is now known as tal [08:10] robru: ping [08:10] any ubuntu tablets being sold yet? === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle [08:35] if you install ubuntu touch, will it remove the android os [08:36] if no, then is there any way to remove android before adding linux [08:36] My phone is underpowered so any solution to that? [09:21] madeu, it will remove android [09:22] ok thanks [09:22] lenios was very helpful [09:22] Bye, guys [09:37] Hi. I wonder, is the ubuntu mobile OS compatible with the google app store, or wouldn't that work? [09:38] And are devices already available? [09:40] Rhonda: Ubuntu Mobile OS is *not* compatible with google app store. You cannot run android apps on ubuntu. [09:41] Rhonda: However there are many community apps which are in development which port some of the famous android apps over to ubuntu touch. [09:42] Rhonda, we only use the kernel, driver and HAL layer of android, above that it is a normal ubuntu rootfs [09:42] there is no java at all in the default install [09:43] (i assume someone could write a dalvik emulator to make it work thouogh) [09:43] Is there some gps/geocaching app available already? :) [09:44] i don't even think gps even works on most of the builds [09:44] nope, at least not beyond what you could quickly port from maemo or so :) [09:44] too bad [09:44] and the platform API is still lacking in the sensors area [09:44] Guess that would be an interesting market enabler. [09:45] but its planned to have such stuff indeed :) [09:45] UTouch is still young ... [09:45] (it looks farm more mature than it is though :) ) [09:45] *far [09:45] it still has that tentative release date of october does it not [09:45] it does [09:45] I know I know, wasn't meant to badmouth or such. :) [09:46] * ogra_` didnt read it as badmouthing :) [09:46] The ellipsis made it sound a bit, just stating. [09:47] Alright, if I would get me a nexus, would there be a way to have the images stored on my laptop, and switch between android and utouch every now and then? [09:47] october is the estimated date for a basic phone release whith the handfull of core apps currently in development ... focus is to run on a dual core A9 with 512M ... [09:47] high end phoness and extra features will happen for 14.04 [09:48] yeah, you can flash back and forth as you like [09:49] Including user data without any troubles to lose something, I hope. :) [09:49] not yet :) [09:50] if you backup properly... [09:50] right [09:50] but that is an extensive process [09:50] well, android is cloud centric enough to not lose anything if you use all the google stuff [09:50] The nexus 4, 7 and 10 are tablets, only the galaxy is a mobile phone, right? [09:50] on the ubuntu side you would have to backup the /home/phablet dir [09:51] nexus4 is a phone [09:51] * Rhonda . o O ( sorry for that dumb question, I don't have any smartphone yet and am a DAU when it comes to hardware … ) [09:51] aa pretty high end one [09:51] no smartphone in this age? [09:51] owch. [09:52] Got me a samsung outdoor mobile phone two years ago, but that was the biggest waste of money I've done so far. :) [09:52] (the nexus4 HW is easily worth twice the amount you pay for it, if you consider a smartphone, get an n4) [09:52] Was looking for something sustainable with a little kid, that was the reason to choose it. [09:52] (i.e. the same device from samsung or HTC will cost you double) [09:52] yeah the price is very good [09:52] the only thing I don't like about it is the lack of usb host [09:53] Some shop you can encourage to use, I see it for 430,- EUR on amazon. :) [09:53] * ogra_` doesnt like that the case breaks so easily ... you have to treat it like your precious :) [09:53] uh oh, that might outrule it in my environment. [09:53] making everything glass is shiny and feels really good in your hand ... [09:53] but you have to be sooo careful [09:54] I've scuffed my galaxy nexus in a couple places [09:54] if I did that with the nexus 4 it would probably shatter [09:54] So the galaxy is tougher? [09:54] * ogra_` has a "phone sock" for his ... [09:55] Rhonda, it doesnt have as much glass ... [09:55] the n4 has glass on the back as well [09:55] there are a multitude of phones under the samsung "galaxy" brand [09:57] like, alot. [09:58] look at this list and weep [09:58] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy === lbt is now known as lbt_away [10:00] About the battery life time, what would you rather suggest? [10:01] i know the galaxy nexus has pretty crap battery life [10:02] well, we dont have working 3G networking yet (only GSM for calls/SMS and wlan for network) ... so the battery life currently fells like its endless :) [10:02] that will change massively once 3G works [10:03] i'm using an old galaxy S2 for development, it easily survives a full week of daily playing around with no charging currently ... [10:03] using it with android and 3G networking it survives 2 days in max === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle [10:05] given that we use android at the bottom layer i would expect that in the end we have similar battery life [10:05] once all the bits work etc [10:06] is there anything stopping an app from just keeping a wakelock and draining the battery like theres no tomorrow? [10:16] clear [10:19] ogra_`: damn I wish there was an image for the s3 international :( [10:22] still none ? [10:23] i thougght people are actively working on it [10:29] ogra_`: there was some1 working on it...but now in the wiki, it shows nobody working on it [10:29] I see a raring-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip, does it work yet or is quantal still recommended? [10:30] mlankhorst, it "kind of" works :) [10:30] its not ready to replace the quantal one yet [10:30] nexus 7, no need to make phone calls or anything as long as wireless touch and display works I suppose [10:30] basic functions are there (you get the shell) ... so for testing graphics stuff which i assume you want, it shoudl work [10:31] yeah [10:31] apps are not all working yet and there are bits and pieces missing ... [10:32] we'll only fully switch once the image is equally good [10:32] and then it's time to move to s again :P [10:33] yeah [10:33] * ogra_` would really have liked to skip R [10:39] ogra_`, people would have liked to skip S even:P [10:40] well, we need to work inside the distro at some point [10:40] so S is fine [10:41] R is just to early ... since not everything could go in === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === pete-woods is now known as pete-woods|afk === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [12:04] Hi === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === ogra_` is now known as ogra_ [12:27] mlankhorst: networking (all types) don't work on the raring build [12:30] sneaker network does if you use an OTG cable and USB stick ;) [12:30] though the throughput speed is limited :) [12:31] ogra_: speaking of limited throughput, did you solve that problem with the chromebook? [12:31] which one ? i dont have any [12:31] (i think i claimed that before) [12:33] the only issues i have with my chromebook is that unity tells me it is fully supported but it doesnt actually seem to be accelerated at all ... [12:33] ogra_: yeah, but before that you mentioned otherwise when I told you that I could download our images at 3MBps on my workstation, but at 100KBps on the chromebook ... [12:33] on a lower level the device just works as i expect [12:34] well, i have a 2M line here ... so i can hardly compare ... but transferring files in my LAN shows no issues === cyphermox_ is now known as cyphermox [12:35] I'll have to dig in deeper then === _salem is now known as salem_ [12:37] what kernel do you use ? [12:37] i didnt touch it at all here === jishnu7_ is now known as jishnu7 === hggdh_ is now known as hggdh [12:45] ogra_: IIRC I'm using an ubuntu one, let me check [12:45] ah [12:45] might be an U1 screwup [12:45] i definitely didnt get good throughput from it alst time i tired [12:45] * ogra_ blames aquarius [12:46] ogra_: yeah, I'm using linux-image-3.4.0-5-chromebook [12:46] ogra_: As I expected, upgrading the hybris bzr stuff helped [12:46] ogra_: just got your pun :-P [12:47] Quintasan, yay [12:47] too bad most of the fuctions are placeholders [12:47] but it works quite good [12:48] I wonder if hw acceleration is present [12:50] bug 1129061 # wondering if this is a virtualbox upstream bug.. [12:50] bug 1129061 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Applications fail to render under VirtualBox" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1129061 [12:50] qmlscene just renders a black box [12:57] because virtualbox doesn't support OpenGL ES [13:00] The Clinic is Open! [13:03] Hmm.. [13:03] popey, hello [13:03] * mhall119 is also in a meeting [13:03] hi christina [13:03] hello christina [13:03] christina: you been testing out apps on the phone? [13:03] hey mhall119 === ckpringle_ is now known as ckpringle [13:04] popey, we got the apps on the device and been playing around with them [13:04] excellent [13:04] so the device images have a new QML shell that lets you see and run any installed SDK app [13:04] also ^^ about getting clock, calculator and calendar in the default images [13:05] popey and I are also planning on opening a "beyond core" apps PPA, to collect the 3rd party apps being developed into a single PPA [13:06] popey: the resistor calculator is packaged now, so that's an easy one to target for that PPA [13:06] great. we need a better name than "non-core" and I don't like "extras" because it clashes with the desktop extras ppa === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [13:06] without wishing to bikeshed it, a name would be useful [13:07] cool-apps :) [13:07] "community" [13:07] meaning core ones are uncool? ☻ [13:07] "other" ☻ [13:07] ogra_: well core-apps are written by the community [13:07] so that might be confusing [13:07] more-apps? [13:07] http://thesaurus.com/browse/extra [13:08] "optional" ? [13:08] cheating [13:08] :) [13:08] "beyond" [13:08] any app developers around that want to weight in on this? [13:09] in addition I'd love to see some video tutorials for getting started with qml.. [13:09] like video versions of your blog posts [13:09] good idea, we just need somebody with a good recording voice... [13:10] speaking of, I need to write tomorrow's post sometime today [13:10] doing a blog-a-day is harder than it sounds [13:10] popey: app-bazaar [13:11] we don't want to imply that it's a market or store, we have one of those and a PPA isn't it [13:12] app-playground maybe? [13:12] app-potluck [13:12] app-kindergarden ? [13:12] app-hippie-commune [13:13] well it's a freemarket [13:13] not really, it's a curated PPA where everything is free [13:13] app-pool ? [13:13] (bring your own bikini) [13:14] mankini [13:14] ++ [13:15] no ++ [13:15] heh [13:15] mhall119: I'll happily convert your blog posts to videos if you like === lubuntu is now known as Guest61710 [13:15] popey: it might work better with a simpler app [13:16] sure, initially I agree [13:16] like the currency converter, once we finish updating the text version to use the new SDK [13:19] oh, we should be getting updated API docs soon, for version 0.1.40 of the SDK components [13:21] ckpringle: speaking of videos, you might want to record future videos using the camera app on the iphone rather than vine, and then upload to youtube, it gets wider coverage and is less freedom hating than vine ㋛ [13:21] e.g. i can't play the vine videos in chromium at all so I just see big boxes with no content [13:22] vine? [13:23] youtube is the best way to showcase videos.. [13:23] mhall119: I think it is a video recording app for iphone [13:23] yeah, a proprietary video camera app / editor and host [13:23] oh, ckpringle, I never did get a +1 or -1 on using the icons from the qml shell for the core apps [13:23] can I get that today? [13:23] popey: lol ... [13:23] the "USP" is that you can only publish 6 second videos [13:24] mhall119: they seem to be on the build already so I think that is fine for now, it is temporary [13:24] ckpringle: I would need to copy them into the core-apps branches, so they become part of their .deb package [13:25] is that okay? [13:25] mhall119, popey: renato submitted a MP with a basic autopilot test for clock app..however in order to run the tests, I need autopilot package which is currently only for quantal and raring..whom do I contact to get it for precise? [13:26] balloons [13:26] oh yeah. I will do that [13:26] maybe thomi, but I don't know if he's still doing autopilot stuff [13:26] balloons will at least know who to poke about it [13:26] nik90: https://launchpad.net/~autopilot/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=precise [13:26] nik90: you need precise packages? [13:26] there's a ppa with a precise build of autopilot [13:27] mhall119: yeah i am using precise for clock app development..my production laptop [13:27] renato asked me to use https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/tools ppa where the autopilot was only for q and r [13:27] nik90: raring is so nice, you should upgrade :) [13:27] I disagree. I am keen for people to develop on 12.04 [13:27] raring is still nice :) [13:27] mhall119: I have 15 ppa on my system :P... the upgrade might not go that smooth [13:28] nik90: give that ppa a go, and let me know if it works [13:29] also.. [13:29] alan@deep-thought:/etc/apt/sources.list.d$ ls -l *.list | wc -l [13:29] 76 [13:29] :D [13:30] popey: holy shit...that many ppa [13:30] I should have a clean out [13:30] 24 [13:31] so when u guys go over to the newer release..do you upgrade or clean install? [13:31] upgrade, but I believe it disables PPAs automatically before doing the upgrade [13:31] i upgrade [13:31] so most of mine, and probably most of popey's, aren't active [13:31] ah ok [13:31] they are, the inactive ones are .list.save [13:32] popey: I will try out the ppa u linked...but do I install autopilot or libautopilot-qt or both of them? [13:32] oh, many commented out, I should clear up.. job for later [13:32] python-autopilot i believe [13:32] ah hang on [13:32] https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/tools has the version modified to work with qt? === XenGi_ is now known as XenGi [13:33] popey: find /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ -name "*.list" |xargs grep -v '^#' |grep -v 'deb-src' |wc -l === lbt_away is now known as lbt [13:33] I get 8 [13:33] so the one in the autopilot ppa won't have that I suspect [13:33] not sure...I was asked to install that by renato..so I assume they work with qt [13:33] nik90: mhall119 popey video - it's what my iPhone made :( [13:34] ckpringle: using vine? [13:34] iphones... [13:34] * popey ♥ his iphone [13:34] ckpringle: in all honesty, I do not know why people had trouble playing your videos .. it worked fine for me on firefox [13:34] nik90: so how are you finding the core-apps development work? I see you've been doing a lot of stuff with the Clock app [13:35] bah, it works now, ignore me ckpringle ☻ [13:35] mhall119: it is really fun to talk to other people, get opinions and improve your code .. nice experience [13:36] ckpringle: ooh by the way, I wont be able to make it to the design meeting tomorrow..I actually have an exam tommorw [13:36] popey: yeah vine [13:36] it's certainly been a new experience, we've never organized teams and projects like this before [13:36] nik90: oh no! We could rearrange? [13:36] ckpringle: would u be up for friday same time? [13:37] mhall119: the best part is that the core apps started from scratch which made it so much easier for me to join and contribute..I learnt quite a bit of qml through this process [13:38] nik90: so you're new to QML as well? [13:39] mhall119: yup :) [13:39] what do you think of it? [13:39] I know I've had to change the way I approach GUI coding [13:40] it seems easier to work it and also much easier to draw the gui elements compared to stuff like gtk..but I still am discovering more of its advantages [13:41] also I like that you can combine javascript to do the logic part which is nice as well [13:41] yeah, I'm getting advice on my blog posts about easier ways to do thingss [13:41] yeah I saw ur posts..very informative for new users like me [13:41] I'm so used to having to be explicit about every little thing [13:41] popey: mhall119 nik90 there are to versions of autopilot dangling [13:41] one that is compatible with unity [13:41] another one that is touch friendly [13:42] autopilot 1.3 should merge all these changes, but there will be _some_ breakage [13:43] sergiusens: will it be backported to 12.04? [13:43] popey: according to thomi, no... we backported to quantal ourselves [13:43] we use autopilot for desktop testing, that needs to carry on working [13:45] is there a easy way to copy your ssh-id authentication keys from 12.04 to a new ubuntu install? [13:46] I actually triple boot (windows, 12.04, 13.04) ...so if I can copy my launchpad keys over to 13.04, I would like that [13:46] yeah, just copy the ~/.ssh folder [13:46] but I generally make new ssh keys for new machines so if one machine is compromised/lost I can disable that single key [13:47] (doesn't apply for dual booting I guess) [13:47] popey: and branching code from launchpad and all other developement stuff should just work..I will give that a try then === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [13:49] behold the power of config files [13:49] mhall119: :) [13:54] hi popey! Today I signed the CLA,but some days ago I did some bugfix that were included in trunk. mhall119 said me to wrote you, but you didn't answer me. Can I assume that everything is all right? (sorry for poor english) [13:54] oh, not seen that.. lets see [13:54] WebbyIT: did you mail my canonical address? [13:55] popey: yes, i did. I'm Riccardo Padovani [13:55] popey: is a forward of an email with object "Re: Calculator application" [13:55] ah, found it, thanks [13:55] one moment === XenGi is now known as XenGi_ [13:57] hi WebbyIT [13:57] WebbyIT: just checking the CLA [13:58] popey: my launchpad's profile is https://launchpad.net/~rpadovani [13:58] (if you need it) [13:58] WebbyIT: thanks, just checking with our administrators that your CLA application has been processed [13:58] popey: he's in the LP tema [13:59] team [13:59] you're in https://launchpad.net/~contributor-agreement-canonical so that implies yes [13:59] so, is it all ok? :) [13:59] not sure about back-dating contributions. I mean, given you've now signed it, and we have that email it should be fine, but I'm not a lawyer ☻ [14:00] popey: yeah, I would think that the email saying the previous contributions can be considered as being done under the CLA would be enough [14:00] sergiusens: care to join #ubuntu-unity to discuss the stack updates with us? [14:01] mhall119: WebbyIT I'll get a confirmation though [14:01] popey, mhall119, ok, i'm here. If you need more time, you have my email ;) [14:01] thanks guys [14:03] thank you WebbyIT === XenGi_ is now known as XenGi [14:04] and with that, another clinic hour comes to a close, thanks everybody who came [14:04] we'll all still be around here of course, so you can ask questions any time [14:05] popey, mhall119 Hi, can anybody explain what changed in compilation from MWC demo to daily builds? I am stuck with HP Touchpad. It boots in BlackScreen with daily builds [14:05] P3T3: do you know at what point it broke? [14:06] yeah, kind of a lot has changed === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [14:06] popey, not exactly, but MWC boots in GUI while daily finishes in black [14:07] I am trying it on HP Touchpad also with Toshiba AC100, both of them finishes in black [14:08] i have a bunch of old images if you want to try an older one [14:08] alan@deep-thought:~/Downloads/phablet-flash$ du -hs . [14:08] 15G . [14:08] nik90, ckpringle and i could make friday if it works better for you [14:08] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5695477/ [14:09] popey, ^ any chance we can rearrange tomorrow's to friday so nik90 can join us? thanks! [14:09] christina: friday is fine with me..(any time)..I can send an email to everyone if ckpringle is alrite with the change [14:10] christina: sure, you guys agree a time and I'll move it [14:10] actually, dpm owns that meeting, he will need to move it I think [14:10] but I'm sure he'd be delighted to move it for you [14:10] nik90, ckpringle and i are fine with this. what time do you suggest? perhaps dpm can help us move this meeting. [14:10] popey, thanks [14:11] i have a bunch of meetings on friday, don't block on me not being there [14:11] mhall119: how about "collection" for the ppa? [14:11] popey: works for me [14:11] win, done [14:12] popey, can you share some early daily to me? [14:12] christina: thnx. [14:12] P3T3: sure.. [14:13] nik90, shall we say 12.30 london time? (Im not sure what time it means for you..let me know if it's too early/too late) [14:13] i think 90 was the mwc build number (that right ogra_)? [14:14] christina: yeah that is fine with me..it will be 13:30 on my side [14:14] nik90, great! 12.30pm it is then. [14:14] c u there :) [14:14] dpm, can you help us move the clock app meeting from tomorrow to friday 12.30pm for this week only? thanks [14:14] nik90, yep we will see you then [14:15] do we have a stable release by now? [14:15] 12:30 BST, 11:30 UTC? [14:15] lecrs: define "stable" ☻ [14:15] some non dev one [14:15] P3T3: uploading the earliest build I have [14:16] lecrs: no, we only have dev builds right now [14:16] thank you [14:16] popey, 68 [14:16] oh, mwc [14:16] popey, OK I will wait === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [14:16] popey, mwc was 95 [14:16] mhall119, is anywhere list of changes to look in? [14:17] mhall119, changes from MWC to daily [14:18] mhall119: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/collection [14:19] christina, sure [14:21] popey: \o/ [14:21] popey: do we want to start pushing stuff in there, or ask upstreams first, or announce it and wait for upstreams to come to us? [14:21]