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Squirmwarm office05:52
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Kiloscremora minora06:07
Kiloshi superfly and those awake and not lurking06:08
inetproKilos: good morning06:20
inetproSquirm: good morning06:20
Kiloshi inetpro whats the battery show now06:20
inetproand good morning to all the lurkers06:20
Kiloshi Squirm 06:20
inetproKilos: was still on 51% this morning06:21
inetprobut it's no longer complaining06:21
inetproso I guess anything above 50 is fine and I'm not sure how long it has been there06:21
inetprodon't think it will improve06:21
Kilosbut let them get you a new one so long. you dont wanna have a prob when doing some critical work06:22
inetproand draining the battery seems like a bad idea06:22
Kilosdoes google say so06:22
Kilosjust tell me what they say man06:24
Kilosor pastebin the info06:24
Kilosim scheming on whether to stretch 230m till month end or get a 2+1 now then only have 1 1/2 months use outa it06:25
superflyhi Kilos06:33
Kiloshiya maiatoday 06:42
maiatodayhi Kilos06:44
superflyhi maiatoday06:45
inetproKilos: eish! The month still has a long way to go.06:50
Kilosi see 20 days. thats like 10m a day06:50
Kilosi used to be good at that but 2+1 spoiled me frot06:51
inetprothey must make that 5+1 now06:53
Kilosi wish06:53
inetpro5+1 at R299 per month, that will be a good deal06:54
inetproKilos: only time will tell whether my battery is ok or not, there is still the possibility that the figure I see is a bug07:04
inetproclever peeps say that it is bad to drain the battery below 40%07:05
Kilosif work will get one then do it and keep as a spare for incase the old one just crashes when you busy with an important job07:06
inetproand at the same time it is fine to run a battery on mains all the time these days07:06
Kilosoh thats a new look at batteries07:06
Kilosty for letting me know07:06
inetpromodern batteries are clever enough to shut down charging when full07:06
inetproKilos: well that counts for laptop batteries07:07
inetproand I guess cellphones07:07
tonberry352_*modern battery chargers07:07
inetproahh tonberry352_, thanks for highlighting that07:08
tonberry352_lithium ion cells will still go boom if you keep appkying voltage07:08
Kilosjust get another one inetpro 07:09
Kilosisnt your lappy critical for work?07:09
Kilosor just a toy07:10
inetproKilos: haha, I think it will still take a while before going boom07:10
inetproKilos: critical yes, but worst case scenario I can use the wifes machine07:10
inetproor my mobile device07:10
Kilosif work will supply get one07:11
Kiloslisten to me07:11
inetprojaja, I will monitor for a while first07:11
* inetpro want to see how it goes07:11
inetprothat error was a good thing07:11
inetpro10/04 09:04:44 <inetpro> Kilos: only time will tell whether my battery is ok or not, there is still the possibility that the figure I see is a bug07:12
Kilosai! ek sukkel darem07:13
tonberry352_mmm, does it look broken if you cat the stuff in /proc/acpi/battery/...07:13
* inetpro don't like things going unused and gathering dust07:13
tonberry352_thats the lowest level way of getting battery info I'm aware of07:14
inetprotonberry352_: I checked with upower -d07:14
tonberry352_don't know that one07:15
inetproanother interesting bit of info is at: cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/info07:16
tonberry352_yes those are the ones I was talking about07:16
inetprobut it is the capacity value that is important here07:16
tonberry352_not on a laptop right now so could not check the path names all the way...07:16
inetproand that you get from the upower command07:17
inetproor from somewhere like /sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXSYBUS:00/PNP0C0A:00/power_supply/BAT007:17
tonberry352_that one i did not know about07:17
tonberry352_well if they all say the same thing it's either a kernel bug or a real dying battery...07:18
inetprothat is why I say only time will tell07:19
inetproKilos: oh btw I think the following from a stack exchange posting is important, "It is certainly better to have your laptop plugged in all the time. During that time, the battery level will oscillate between ~97% and 100%. This will have a minimal strain on the battery."07:52
Kilosbut it hasnt lasted 2 years07:53
inetpro"Every full charging cycle significantly reduces battery life. A typical li-ion battery will survive up to a thousand charging cycles."07:53
Kiloslets hope its a bug07:53
inetproand more here: http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/39396/when-using-a-laptop-is-it-desirable-to-keep-it-charged-from-the-mains-all-the-t07:54
Kilosi dont think ill ever get a lappy07:54
Kilosim sure a new destop psu is cheaper than a lappy battery07:56
inetproKilos: what I perhaps need to test is whether I even need a battery07:56
Kilosoh can you test that?07:56
tonberry352_most laptops will boot without one07:57
inetprothis guys writes further, "I have a friend who decided to maintain his battery capacity at a maximum by not using it. He keeps his battery in a shelf and plugs it in once a week. This way, the battery will have its maximum capacity in times of need. I guess it works for some people. "07:57
inetproguy as well07:57
tonberry352_would be nice if we could instruct the charger not to charge above 60% or so07:58
Kilosspam coming08:09
KilosLithium-ion Battery:08:09
KilosIf you are using a laptop with a Lithium-ion battery (most newer laptops), it should give you between 300-500 charge/discharge cycles. This type of battery doesn't like full discharges and should be avoided when-ever possible. The technology is still being enhanced and should continue to be the battery of choice for laptop manufactures in the future. Elevated temperatures seem to have an adverse effect on this batteries life. Lithium-ion battery 08:09
Kilosmanufactures believe that a typical life span should be somewhere between 2 to 3 years. Most lithium-ion batteries fail because of exposure to excessive heat rather than the charge/discharge habits of the user.08:09
Kilosnot getting hot in car when you at sports functions?08:10
ThatGraemeGuymorning all08:21
ThatGraemeGuyhttp://i.imgur.com/yqLaAmk.jpeg <-- anyone spot anything meaningful there? I suck at these things :-/08:22
ThatGraemeGuyI see apt has a kernel update available, going to install updates quickly08:23
Kiloshi ThatGraemeGuy 08:23
ThatGraemeGuyhow's things this morning?08:25
Kilosgood ty and you?08:25
ThatGraemeGuyall good thanks :)08:28
Kilosyo Vince-0 08:28
superflyThatGraemeGuy: I would Google for "kernel BUG inode.c invalid opcode 0000 #2" - I think that's the actual error09:19
superflyThatGraemeGuy: it looks like the "http" process is where it occurred09:19
tonberry352_i don't recall any default process being called 'http'09:29
tonberry352_or am i forgetting something?09:29
superflytonberry352_: when apt-get downloads, the process doing the downloading is called "http"09:30
tonberry352_stupid keyboard09:30
ThatGraemeGuyah, /usr/lib/apt/methods/http10:06
ThatGraemeGuywas probably doing something in the background, i was just reading a webpage when it happened10:06
ThatGraemeGuyinstalled latest kernel anyway10:06
magespawnafternoon all10:52
superflyafternoon magespawn10:55
magespawnwe have been chatty today11:00
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magespawnseeing that link from ThatGraemeGuy, is there a way to take a screen shot in cli? besides using your camera11:02
tonberry352_even if there was i doubt it would work after a kernel panic11:04
magespawnyou know some of the ways things are said is amusing 'kernel panic11:05
magespawni assume you could it was a terminal then you still have a gui.11:06
magespawnwhen you have something like that happen are there log file that is writes to?11:06
tonberry352_kern.log would be the logical place to look11:07
ThatGraemeGuymagespawn, this may be relevant to your interests... http://imgur.com/ED6g5Ua :-)11:07
magespawnty lol11:08
ThatGraemeGuyi don't think they're logged to file11:09
ThatGraemeGuyif the kernel has paniced, you probably shouldn't trust it to be writing to disk11:09
ThatGraemeGuyis "paniced" spelled right? looks weird11:09
ThatGraemeGuyoh, panicked11:10
ThatGraemeGuybless you, English language11:10
tonberry352_agreed, especially if the panic is file system related like yours11:10
tonberry352_i was really hoping google would give me something like this : http://www.nosemonkey.net/2012/05/if-kernel-panic/11:12
magespawnso that is what they are doing before they become pop corn11:16
tonberry352_now I want to rig up some contraption that delivers popcorn every time my computer kernel panics11:17
ThatGraemeGuyif this was a bit shorter it'd be my new ringtone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg_Fpdlo3ck11:19
SquirmNo food11:19
magespawni did see a contraption that allowed a sms to start the coffee machine11:19
Squirmand my car is dead :/11:19
magespawnso no reason why not tonberry352_11:19
Squirmsoup with no bread11:20
tonberry352_I'm procrastinating enough as it is...11:20
magespawnthat might be a problem Squirm11:23
magespawnfound this from the kernel link http://imgur.com/gallery/Eujgs11:25
magespawnvery cool11:45
magespawnhow is this for an idea http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/ngs/browse/productDetail.jsp?productId=2001246&gsk&code=NG80679_store_housebanner12:21
ThatGraemeGuyok, i'm confused12:36
ThatGraemeGuywhat's the expected behaviour on a server with 2 DNS servers listed in resolv.conf when 1 of those servers stops responding?12:37
ThatGraemeGuyor maybe the issue lies with apps not the system resolver12:37
ThatGraemeGuyi have 2 dns servers12:37
ThatGraemeGuy1 is rebooted for patching12:37
ThatGraemeGuymy squid box starts crying that it can't resolve names, my nagios box starts screaming because it can't resolve any hostnames, so everything is "CRITICAL" :-/12:38
Squirmsuperfly: that's a brilliant link12:39
superflyThatGraemeGuy: AFAIK they should move onto the next one12:39
ThatGraemeGuythat's what i thought, and if we try doing a name lookup from the command-line all is well12:39
ThatGraemeGuyso maybe squid and nagios are misbehaving12:39
ThatGraemeGuyi can't see how though, surely they use the name resolver just like 'dig' or 'host' would in that situation12:40
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Trixar_zaRight, another 2GB+1G promo loaded :)13:07
Kiloshi Trixar_za and those i missed13:14
Trixar_zaHey Kilos13:14
magespawnThatGraemeGuy: are they not configured to use only the one DNS?13:22
ThatGraemeGuyno, definitely configured for both13:22
magespawnmaybe there is a fault with the second server that is preventing it from resolving13:23
magespawnor sonnection to that serrver13:29
magespawnconnection even13:29
magespawnany luck ThatGraemeGuy?14:15
ThatGraemeGuyi can't do much now14:16
ThatGraemeGuydon't want to keep breaking internet access, there's 80 or so people depending on the squid box14:17
ThatGraemeGuywill figure it out outside office hours14:17
magespawnlet us know when you find it please14:19
Kiloshey magespawn sup?14:30
magespawnhey Kilos14:41
magespawnchat later all14:53
KilosMaaz: define petaflops14:56
MaazKilos: I don't have a definition for that. Is it even a word?14:56
KilosThe "Stampede" supercomputer system at the Texas Advanced Computing Center brings nearly 10 petaflops of performance14:56
Kiloswhat are petaflops14:56
tonberry352_10^15 floating point operations per second14:58
Kilosty tonberry14:59
Kilostoods maia14:59
Kiloslate night ThatGraemeGuy ?15:00
ThatGraemeGuyi work til 615:00
Kilosoh you not staying till the server issue is fixed?15:01
Kilosmy pc is about 2 petaflops a week if im lucky15:06
Trixar_zaIsn't petaflops a made up word?15:07
Trixar_zaMostly used by geeks15:07
Trixar_zaIt's in the Jargon file somewhere15:07
ThatGraemeGuyyou're thinking of bogomips maybe15:07
ThatGraemeGuyKilos, nah i don't have to be at the office to work :)15:08
ThatGraemeGuyand its not an urgent issue, just means i have to patch my DCs after hours until i resolve it15:08
Kilosah thats lekker ThatGraemeGuy 15:08
Kilosive never heard of that kinda thing Trixar_za 15:09
Kiloseven maaz dunno if its even a word15:09
Trixar_zaI'm pretty sure flops comes from the Jargon File15:09
Trixar_zaAh, it actually is a word15:10
Trixar_zaIt means Floating-point Operations Per Second15:11
Trixar_zaFL O P S15:11
Squirmyes it is15:13
SquirmI knew that15:13
inetproKilos: one petaflop is one quadrillion floating point operations per second15:31
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Kiloshehe however fast that might be. i could enjoy doing an install at that speed15:32
inetprosupercomputing researchers are now looking toward exascale speeds15:34
inetprothat is 1,000 times faster than a petaflop15:34
inetprowhile a petaflop is still speedy enough to crack the top 25 fastest supercomputers15:35
inetprothat comes from the article "World’s top supercomputer from ‘09 is now obsolete, will be dismantled" http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/03/worlds-fastest-supercomputer-from-09-is-now-obsolete-will-be-dismantled/15:35
Kilosyo hubx 17:05
Kilosyo Cantide 17:15
Cantidehello '-'/17:15
inetproKilos: hoekom so stil vanaand?18:27
inetproso who do you choose, Linus Torvalds or Nikola Tesla?18:35
inetproVote for the Geek Madness Final http://www.geekwire.com/2013/vote-geek-madness-final-linus-torvalds-nikola-tesla/18:35
Kilosskuus inetpro chat of pidgin en was seker weg toe jy hier gebloep het18:42
Kilostesla made tesla coils you find in red alert games18:43
Kilosshock you simple18:43
inetproso Kilos, who would you vote for?18:50
Kiloswell duh18:50
inetproGeek Madness is the quest to find the greatest geek of all time18:50
Kilostesla made me battle to beat the ruskies18:50
inetproa battle that has been running for weeks18:51
Kiloslinus helped me dump winsucks18:51
inetprothose two have left many others in the dust18:51
inetproKilos: go vote man, take the poll at http://polldaddy.com/poll/702362118:52
Kilosooo he is behind18:53
inetprocool, we need more votes18:55
inetprocan't believe the vote count is so low18:55
Kilosget Cantide and all them younguns to vote18:55
Kilosand tell all their friends18:55
Kilosand rev everyone here too18:56
Kilosnot just me18:56
inetproKilos: no big deal really18:59
inetprojust trying to bring in some fun here18:59
Kilosgonna be hard to beat tesla18:59
inetproI guess so19:00
Kiloslinus old made geeks happy19:00
Kilostesla invented stuff used everywhere19:00
Kilosmuch broader spectrum for him to get voters from19:01
CantideI had to vote for Tesla19:02
Kilosand too many peeps play red alert19:02
Kiloseish Cantide why?19:02
Cantideif you read the wikipedia page for him, you will respect him a lot19:02
Cantidehe was a true genius19:03
Cantideand he devoted his life to his work19:03
Kilosi have know about him for a long time  but now you will be banned to winsucks pcs for 30 years19:03
Kilosyes he really was brilliant19:03
Cantidewell, if Linus divorces his wife and sells his children to improve the kernel, then i might reconsider my vote19:03
Kiloswhy divorces his wife?19:04
Cantidewasn't Tesla celibate?19:04
CantideI think he was19:04
Kiloswhats that got to do with it19:05
Kilos31 years now19:05
Kiloswinsucks for 31 years19:05
Kilosi actually have a tesla design somewhere for generating your own power19:06
inetproKilos: make us some power please19:10
inetproMaaz: coffee on19:10
* Maaz starts grinding coffee19:10
KilosMacoffee please19:10
inetproand Maaz will provide the coffee so long19:10
KilosMaaz: coffee please19:11
MaazKilos: Yessir19:11
KilosMaaz: large19:11
MaazIn a beer mug just for you Kilos19:11
Kilosif i remember right it used magnets to do something or other19:11
Kiloswill try find it19:12
Kilosmust surely be found if you use your friend inetpro 19:12
Kilosi gotta scratch in many years of junk and storerooms etc19:13
KilosMaaz: google tesla free power generator19:13
MaazKilos: "Homebuilt Power Generator Handmade - Tesla Technology Works ..." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmOH6mDFwnc :: "FREE Power Generator Using Tesla Cosmic Energy Harvesting ..." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfw429dLVkc :: "Tesla Free Energy Generator And The Secret Revealed - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRC4tK02aco :: "Nikola Tesla - Wikipedia,19:13
Maazthe free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla :: "Free Energy Forum - D…19:13
Kilosoh my19:14
inetproHow to Build Your Own TESLA Power System and Eliminate Your Electric Bills http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ0vtdTl4YA19:14
MaazCoffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!19:14
inetproMaaz: dankie19:14
MaazGroot plesier inetpro my vriend19:14
KilosMaaz: danke19:14
Kilosevrything on youtube grrr19:19
Kilosnight all. sleep tight19:22
inetproKilos: lekker slaap oom19:22
Kilosdankie julle ook19:23
inetpromaar moenie vergeet om eers die koffie klaar te drink nie19:23
Kiloshaha nee sal nie19:23
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Trixar_zaOne thing about Acer laptops, you can drop them, you can dump coffee and tea on them and they still keep going after a cleaning21:08

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