[05:13] <Squirm> morning
[05:52] <Squirm> mmmm
[05:52] <Squirm> warm office
[06:07] <Kilos> cremora minora
[06:08] <Kilos> hi superfly and those awake and not lurking
[06:20] <inetpro> Kilos: good morning
[06:20] <inetpro> Squirm: good morning
[06:20] <Kilos> hi inetpro whats the battery show now
[06:20] <inetpro> and good morning to all the lurkers
[06:20] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[06:21] <inetpro> Kilos: was still on 51% this morning
[06:21] <Kilos> ai!
[06:21] <inetpro> but it's no longer complaining
[06:21] <Kilos> lol
[06:21] <inetpro> so I guess anything above 50 is fine and I'm not sure how long it has been there
[06:21] <inetpro> don't think it will improve
[06:22] <Kilos> but let them get you a new one so long. you dont wanna have a prob when doing some critical work
[06:22] <inetpro> and draining the battery seems like a bad idea
[06:22] <Kilos> does google say so
[06:23] <inetpro> https://plus.google.com/114254397525521567468/posts/ZKjLifevn5E
[06:24] <Kilos> ai!
[06:24] <Kilos> just tell me what they say man
[06:24] <Kilos> or pastebin the info
[06:25] <Kilos> im scheming on whether to stretch 230m till month end or get a 2+1 now then only have 1 1/2 months use outa it
[06:33] <superfly> hi Kilos
[06:42] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[06:44] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[06:45] <superfly> hi maiatoday
[06:50] <inetpro> Kilos: eish! The month still has a long way to go.
[06:50] <Kilos> oi
[06:50] <Kilos> i see 20 days. thats like 10m a day
[06:51] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:51] <Kilos> i used to be good at that but 2+1 spoiled me frot
[06:53] <inetpro> they must make that 5+1 now
[06:53] <Kilos> haha
[06:53] <Kilos> i wish
[06:54] <inetpro> 5+1 at R299 per month, that will be a good deal
[07:04] <inetpro> Kilos: only time will tell whether my battery is ok or not, there is still the possibility that the figure I see is a bug
[07:05] <inetpro> clever peeps say that it is bad to drain the battery below 40%
[07:06] <Kilos> if work will get one then do it and keep as a spare for incase the old one just crashes when you busy with an important job
[07:06] <inetpro> and at the same time it is fine to run a battery on mains all the time these days
[07:06] <Kilos> oh thats a new look at batteries
[07:06] <Kilos> ty for letting me know
[07:06] <inetpro> modern batteries are clever enough to shut down charging when full
[07:07] <inetpro> Kilos: well that counts for laptop batteries
[07:07] <inetpro> and I guess cellphones
[07:07] <tonberry352_> *modern battery chargers
[07:08] <inetpro> ahh tonberry352_, thanks for highlighting that
[07:08] <tonberry352_> lithium ion cells will still go boom if you keep appkying voltage
[07:08] <tonberry352_> applying*
[07:09] <inetpro> true
[07:09] <Kilos> just get another one inetpro 
[07:09] <Kilos> isnt your lappy critical for work?
[07:10] <Kilos> or just a toy
[07:10] <inetpro> Kilos: haha, I think it will still take a while before going boom
[07:10] <inetpro> Kilos: critical yes, but worst case scenario I can use the wifes machine
[07:10] <inetpro> or my mobile device
[07:11] <Kilos> if work will supply get one
[07:11] <Kilos> listen to me
[07:11] <inetpro> jaja, I will monitor for a while first
[07:11]  * inetpro want to see how it goes
[07:11] <inetpro> that error was a good thing
[07:12] <inetpro> 10/04 09:04:44 <inetpro> Kilos: only time will tell whether my battery is ok or not, there is still the possibility that the figure I see is a bug
[07:13] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel darem
[07:13] <tonberry352_> mmm, does it look broken if you cat the stuff in /proc/acpi/battery/...
[07:13]  * inetpro don't like things going unused and gathering dust
[07:14] <tonberry352_> thats the lowest level way of getting battery info I'm aware of
[07:14] <inetpro> tonberry352_: I checked with upower -d
[07:15] <tonberry352_> don't know that one
[07:16] <inetpro> another interesting bit of info is at: cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/info
[07:16] <tonberry352_> yes those are the ones I was talking about
[07:16] <inetpro> but it is the capacity value that is important here
[07:16] <tonberry352_> not on a laptop right now so could not check the path names all the way...
[07:17] <inetpro> and that you get from the upower command
[07:17] <inetpro> or from somewhere like /sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXSYBUS:00/PNP0C0A:00/power_supply/BAT0
[07:17] <tonberry352_> that one i did not know about
[07:18] <tonberry352_> well if they all say the same thing it's either a kernel bug or a real dying battery...
[07:19] <inetpro> that is why I say only time will tell
[07:52] <inetpro> Kilos: oh btw I think the following from a stack exchange posting is important, "It is certainly better to have your laptop plugged in all the time. During that time, the battery level will oscillate between ~97% and 100%. This will have a minimal strain on the battery."
[07:53] <Kilos> aha
[07:53] <Kilos> but it hasnt lasted 2 years
[07:53] <inetpro> "Every full charging cycle significantly reduces battery life. A typical li-ion battery will survive up to a thousand charging cycles."
[07:53] <Kilos> lets hope its a bug
[07:54] <inetpro> and more here: http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/39396/when-using-a-laptop-is-it-desirable-to-keep-it-charged-from-the-mains-all-the-t
[07:54] <Kilos> i dont think ill ever get a lappy
[07:56] <Kilos> im sure a new destop psu is cheaper than a lappy battery
[07:56] <inetpro> Kilos: what I perhaps need to test is whether I even need a battery
[07:56] <Kilos> oh can you test that?
[07:57] <tonberry352_> most laptops will boot without one
[07:57] <inetpro> this guys writes further, "I have a friend who decided to maintain his battery capacity at a maximum by not using it. He keeps his battery in a shelf and plugs it in once a week. This way, the battery will have its maximum capacity in times of need. I guess it works for some people. "
[07:57] <inetpro> guy as well
[07:58] <tonberry352_> would be nice if we could instruct the charger not to charge above 60% or so
[08:09] <Kilos> spam coming
[08:09] <Kilos> Lithium-ion Battery:
[08:09] <Kilos> If you are using a laptop with a Lithium-ion battery (most newer laptops), it should give you between 300-500 charge/discharge cycles. This type of battery doesn't like full discharges and should be avoided when-ever possible. The technology is still being enhanced and should continue to be the battery of choice for laptop manufactures in the future. Elevated temperatures seem to have an adverse effect on this batteries life. Lithium-ion battery 
[08:09] <Kilos> manufactures believe that a typical life span should be somewhere between 2 to 3 years. Most lithium-ion batteries fail because of exposure to excessive heat rather than the charge/discharge habits of the user.
[08:10] <Kilos> not getting hot in car when you at sports functions?
[08:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[08:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://i.imgur.com/yqLaAmk.jpeg <-- anyone spot anything meaningful there? I suck at these things :-/
[08:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> I see apt has a kernel update available, going to install updates quickly
[08:23] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[08:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> how's things this morning?
[08:25] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[08:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> all good thanks :)
[08:28] <Kilos> yo Vince-0 
[08:29] <Vince-0> herrow
[09:19] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: I would Google for "kernel BUG inode.c invalid opcode 0000 #2" - I think that's the actual error
[09:19] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: it looks like the "http" process is where it occurred
[09:29] <tonberry352_> i don't recall any default process being called 'http'
[09:29] <tonberry352_> or am i forgetting something?
[09:30] <superfly> tonberry352_: when apt-get downloads, the process doing the downloading is called "http"
[09:30] <tonberry352_> h
[09:30] <tonberry352_> ah*
[09:30] <tonberry352_> stupid keyboard
[10:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah, /usr/lib/apt/methods/http
[10:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> was probably doing something in the background, i was just reading a webpage when it happened
[10:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> installed latest kernel anyway
[10:52] <magespawn> afternoon all
[10:55] <superfly> afternoon magespawn
[11:00] <magespawn> we have been chatty today
[11:02] <magespawn> seeing that link from ThatGraemeGuy, is there a way to take a screen shot in cli? besides using your camera
[11:04] <tonberry352_> even if there was i doubt it would work after a kernel panic
[11:05] <magespawn> you know some of the ways things are said is amusing 'kernel panic
[11:05] <magespawn> '
[11:06] <magespawn> i assume you could it was a terminal then you still have a gui.
[11:06] <magespawn> when you have something like that happen are there log file that is writes to?
[11:07] <tonberry352_> kern.log would be the logical place to look
[11:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> magespawn, this may be relevant to your interests... http://imgur.com/ED6g5Ua :-)
[11:08] <magespawn> ty lol
[11:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't think they're logged to file
[11:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> if the kernel has paniced, you probably shouldn't trust it to be writing to disk
[11:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> is "paniced" spelled right? looks weird
[11:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh, panicked
[11:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> bless you, English language
[11:10] <tonberry352_> agreed, especially if the panic is file system related like yours
[11:12] <tonberry352_> i was really hoping google would give me something like this : http://www.nosemonkey.net/2012/05/if-kernel-panic/
[11:16] <magespawn> so that is what they are doing before they become pop corn
[11:17] <tonberry352_> now I want to rig up some contraption that delivers popcorn every time my computer kernel panics
[11:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> if this was a bit shorter it'd be my new ringtone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg_Fpdlo3ck
[11:19] <Squirm> No food
[11:19] <magespawn> i did see a contraption that allowed a sms to start the coffee machine
[11:19] <Squirm> and my car is dead :/
[11:19] <magespawn> so no reason why not tonberry352_
[11:20] <Squirm> hmm
[11:20] <Squirm> soup with no bread
[11:20] <tonberry352_> I'm procrastinating enough as it is...
[11:23] <magespawn> that might be a problem Squirm
[11:25] <magespawn> found this from the kernel link http://imgur.com/gallery/Eujgs
[11:33] <superfly> http://theoatmeal.com/comics/mantis_shrimp
[11:45] <magespawn> hah\
[11:45] <magespawn> very cool
[11:59] <magespawn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantis_shrimp
[12:21] <magespawn> how is this for an idea http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/ngs/browse/productDetail.jsp?productId=2001246&gsk&code=NG80679_store_housebanner
[12:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok, i'm confused
[12:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> what's the expected behaviour on a server with 2 DNS servers listed in resolv.conf when 1 of those servers stops responding?
[12:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> or maybe the issue lies with apps not the system resolver
[12:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have 2 dns servers
[12:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> 1 is rebooted for patching
[12:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> my squid box starts crying that it can't resolve names, my nagios box starts screaming because it can't resolve any hostnames, so everything is "CRITICAL" :-/
[12:39] <Squirm> superfly: that's a brilliant link
[12:39] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: AFAIK they should move onto the next one
[12:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's what i thought, and if we try doing a name lookup from the command-line all is well
[12:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> so maybe squid and nagios are misbehaving
[12:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> i can't see how though, surely they use the name resolver just like 'dig' or 'host' would in that situation
[13:07] <Trixar_za> Right, another 2GB+1G promo loaded :)
[13:14] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za and those i missed
[13:14] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[13:22] <magespawn> ThatGraemeGuy: are they not configured to use only the one DNS?
[13:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> no, definitely configured for both
[13:23] <magespawn> maybe there is a fault with the second server that is preventing it from resolving
[13:29] <magespawn> or sonnection to that serrver
[13:29] <magespawn> connection even
[14:15] <magespawn> any luck ThatGraemeGuy?
[14:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> i can't do much now
[14:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> don't want to keep breaking internet access, there's 80 or so people depending on the squid box
[14:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> will figure it out outside office hours
[14:19] <magespawn> let us know when you find it please
[14:30] <Kilos> hey magespawn sup?
[14:41] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[14:53] <magespawn> chat later all
[14:54] <Kilos> ok
[14:56] <Kilos> Maaz: define petaflops
[14:56] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't have a definition for that. Is it even a word?
[14:56] <Kilos> The "Stampede" supercomputer system at the Texas Advanced Computing Center brings nearly 10 petaflops of performance
[14:56] <Kilos> what are petaflops
[14:58] <tonberry352_> 10^15 floating point operations per second
[14:59] <Kilos> ty tonberry
[14:59] <Kilos> toods maia
[15:00] <Kilos> late night ThatGraemeGuy ?
[15:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> eh?
[15:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> i work til 6
[15:01] <Kilos> oh you not staying till the server issue is fixed?
[15:06] <Kilos> my pc is about 2 petaflops a week if im lucky
[15:07] <Trixar_za> Isn't petaflops a made up word?
[15:07] <Trixar_za> Mostly used by geeks
[15:07] <Trixar_za> It's in the Jargon file somewhere
[15:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> you're thinking of bogomips maybe
[15:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos, nah i don't have to be at the office to work :)
[15:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> and its not an urgent issue, just means i have to patch my DCs after hours until i resolve it
[15:08] <Kilos> ah thats lekker ThatGraemeGuy 
[15:09] <Kilos> ive never heard of that kinda thing Trixar_za 
[15:09] <Kilos> even maaz dunno if its even a word
[15:09] <Trixar_za> I'm pretty sure flops comes from the Jargon File
[15:09] <Trixar_za> :P
[15:10] <Trixar_za> Ah, it actually is a word
[15:11] <Trixar_za> It means Floating-point Operations Per Second
[15:11] <Trixar_za> FL O P S
[15:11] <Trixar_za> :P
[15:12] <Trixar_za> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/M/machoflops.html
[15:13] <Squirm> yes it is
[15:13] <Squirm> :P
[15:13] <Squirm> I knew that
[15:17] <Kilos> hehe
[15:31] <inetpro> Kilos: one petaflop is one quadrillion floating point operations per second
[15:32] <Kilos> hehe however fast that might be. i could enjoy doing an install at that speed
[15:34] <inetpro> supercomputing researchers are now looking toward exascale speeds
[15:34] <inetpro> that is 1,000 times faster than a petaflop
[15:35] <inetpro> while a petaflop is still speedy enough to crack the top 25 fastest supercomputers
[15:35] <inetpro> that comes from the article "World’s top supercomputer from ‘09 is now obsolete, will be dismantled" http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/03/worlds-fastest-supercomputer-from-09-is-now-obsolete-will-be-dismantled/
[15:49] <Kilos> whew
[17:05] <Kilos> yo hubx 
[17:15] <Kilos> yo Cantide 
[17:15] <Cantide> hello '-'/
[18:27] <inetpro> Kilos: hoekom so stil vanaand?
[18:33] <inetpro> ai!
[18:35] <inetpro> so who do you choose, Linus Torvalds or Nikola Tesla?
[18:35] <inetpro> Vote for the Geek Madness Final http://www.geekwire.com/2013/vote-geek-madness-final-linus-torvalds-nikola-tesla/
[18:42] <Kilos> skuus inetpro chat of pidgin en was seker weg toe jy hier gebloep het
[18:43] <Kilos> tesla made tesla coils you find in red alert games
[18:43] <Kilos> shock you simple
[18:49] <inetpro> ah
[18:50] <inetpro> so Kilos, who would you vote for?
[18:50] <Kilos> well duh
[18:50] <inetpro> Geek Madness is the quest to find the greatest geek of all time
[18:50] <Kilos> tesla made me battle to beat the ruskies
[18:51] <inetpro> a battle that has been running for weeks
[18:51] <Kilos> linus helped me dump winsucks
[18:51] <inetpro> those two have left many others in the dust
[18:52] <inetpro> Kilos: go vote man, take the poll at http://polldaddy.com/poll/7023621
[18:53] <Kilos> ooo he is behind
[18:54] <Kilos> done
[18:55] <inetpro> cool, we need more votes
[18:55] <inetpro> can't believe the vote count is so low
[18:55] <Kilos> get Cantide and all them younguns to vote
[18:55] <Kilos> and tell all their friends
[18:56] <Kilos> and rev everyone here too
[18:56] <Kilos> not just me
[18:59] <inetpro> ai!
[18:59] <inetpro> Kilos: no big deal really
[18:59] <inetpro> just trying to bring in some fun here
[18:59] <Kilos> gonna be hard to beat tesla
[19:00] <inetpro> I guess so
[19:00] <Kilos> linus old made geeks happy
[19:00] <Kilos> only
[19:00] <Kilos> tesla invented stuff used everywhere
[19:01] <Kilos> much broader spectrum for him to get voters from
[19:02] <Cantide> I had to vote for Tesla
[19:02] <Kilos> and too many peeps play red alert
[19:02] <Kilos> eish Cantide why?
[19:02] <Cantide> if you read the wikipedia page for him, you will respect him a lot
[19:03] <Cantide> he was a true genius
[19:03] <Cantide> and he devoted his life to his work
[19:03] <Kilos> i have know about him for a long time  but now you will be banned to winsucks pcs for 30 years
[19:03] <Cantide> hahahaha
[19:03] <Kilos> yes he really was brilliant
[19:03] <inetpro> :-)
[19:03] <Cantide> well, if Linus divorces his wife and sells his children to improve the kernel, then i might reconsider my vote
[19:04] <Kilos> why divorces his wife?
[19:04] <Cantide> wasn't Tesla celibate?
[19:04] <Cantide> I think he was
[19:05] <Kilos> whats that got to do with it
[19:05] <Kilos> eish
[19:05] <Kilos> 31 years now
[19:05] <Cantide> ?
[19:05] <Kilos> winsucks for 31 years
[19:06] <Kilos> i actually have a tesla design somewhere for generating your own power
[19:10] <inetpro> Kilos: make us some power please
[19:10] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[19:10]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[19:10] <Kilos> lol
[19:10] <Kilos> Macoffee please
[19:10] <inetpro> and Maaz will provide the coffee so long
[19:11] <Kilos> ai
[19:11] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee please
[19:11] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[19:11] <Kilos> Maaz: large
[19:11] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[19:11] <Kilos> if i remember right it used magnets to do something or other
[19:12] <Kilos> will try find it
[19:12] <Kilos> must surely be found if you use your friend inetpro 
[19:13] <Kilos> i gotta scratch in many years of junk and storerooms etc
[19:13] <Kilos> Maaz: google tesla free power generator
[19:13] <Maaz> Kilos: "Homebuilt Power Generator Handmade - Tesla Technology Works ..." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmOH6mDFwnc :: "FREE Power Generator Using Tesla Cosmic Energy Harvesting ..." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfw429dLVkc :: "Tesla Free Energy Generator And The Secret Revealed - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRC4tK02aco :: "Nikola Tesla - Wikipedia,
[19:13] <Maaz> the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla :: "Free Energy Forum - D…
[19:14] <Kilos> oh my
[19:14] <inetpro> How to Build Your Own TESLA Power System and Eliminate Your Electric Bills http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ0vtdTl4YA
[19:14] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[19:14] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[19:14] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[19:14] <Kilos> Maaz: danke
[19:14] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[19:19] <Kilos> evrything on youtube grrr
[19:22] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:22] <inetpro> Kilos: lekker slaap oom
[19:23] <Kilos> dankie julle ook
[19:23] <inetpro> maar moenie vergeet om eers die koffie klaar te drink nie
[19:23] <Kilos> haha nee sal nie
[19:23] <inetpro> :-)
[20:19] <bakuman> w
[21:08] <Trixar_za> One thing about Acer laptops, you can drop them, you can dump coffee and tea on them and they still keep going after a cleaning