[01:11] <balloons> phillw, gnome = jbicha
[01:29] <phillw> balloons: I sort of guessed that, but it is better asked in their channel :)
[02:21] <SergioMeneses> balloons, ping
[03:01] <balloons> SergioMeneses, howdy
[03:02] <SergioMeneses> balloons, did you need me?
[03:04] <SergioMenesesAFK> seeee
[03:04] <SergioMeneses> mmm....
[03:05] <balloons> SergioMeneses, ah.. no we're all set
[03:05] <balloons> brasero is merged :-)
[03:05] <SergioMeneses> balloons, perfect!
[03:05] <balloons> quite a nice testcase
[03:05] <balloons> i even found a bug running through it
[03:06] <balloons> which is always good.. :-0
[03:06] <SergioMeneses> balloons, a huge testcase
[03:06] <SergioMeneses> :O
[05:48] <pitti> Good morning
[06:40] <jibel> good morning
[06:48] <dholbach> good morning
[07:06] <pitti> bonjour jibel
[07:06] <pitti> hey dholbach
[07:06] <pitti> jibel: nice progress yesterday!
[07:07] <jibel> pitti, dholbach bonjour
[07:08] <dholbach> salut mes amis
[07:09] <jibel> pitti, thanks. About stdin test for python2.7 what do you think is the right fix? skip the test if stdin is redirected?
[07:10] <pitti> jibel: or fix the test to not use stdin, but an fd created by itself
[10:03] <smartboyhw> Hiyas Noskcaj
[10:03] <Noskcaj> hey smartboyhw. FYI i can only be on for 20min
[10:04] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, I wrote a testimonial for you:) I asked balloons and SergioMenesesAFK to do that, but they haven't:)
[10:05] <Noskcaj> thanks, i'd asked balloons but he hadn't had time. i just hope i will be able to make the meeting (school and sleeping make it hard)
[10:10] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, :)
[10:18] <Noskcaj> thanks for adding yourself to the whoweare smartboyhw
[11:12] <xnox> raring-desktop-i386-smoke-lvm failed, but it's in failure command due to not able to resolve the internet domains correctly to fetch the new packages.
[13:00] <smartboyhw> If any people haven't added themselves to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/WhoWeAre please do:)
[14:54] <plars> cjwatson: ssh to cdimage gets through the firewall now for me, but now I'm getting nothing returned by the command I'm telling it to run. If I try to ssh without a command to run on the other end, I get back "PTY allocation request failed on channel 0" Is that something IS needs to fix still? or is there something I need to do to work around that
[14:56] <cjwatson> plars: what command were you trying to run?
[14:57] <cjwatson> not seeing any logs on my end
[14:57] <cjwatson> though I can't read auth.log
[14:57] <plars> cjwatson: at first I was just trying to have it run "/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/bin/mark-current --help", but I even tried something like "uname -a" to see if it was just the command
[14:58] <cjwatson> well, that certainly ought to have worked
[14:58] <cjwatson> let me ask IS to help investigate
[14:59] <cjwatson> I mean, the former should have given you something
[15:08] <smartboyhw> balloons, ping
[15:08] <balloons> smartboyhw, pong
[15:09] <smartboyhw> balloons, should we go and get some events again for testing before Final release?
[15:09] <balloons> smartboyhw, we could consider doing something
[15:09] <balloons> what were you thinking?
[15:09] <smartboyhw> balloons, good question, hadn't thought about that:P
[15:10] <balloons> I thought i had till today to put noskcaj's testimonial in.. but I see he was accepted ;-)
[15:11] <balloons> he got one from me anyway :-)
[15:11] <balloons> err wait
[15:11] <balloons> no I'm good :-) sweetness
[15:11] <smartboyhw> balloons, accepted what!?
[15:11]  * balloons is confused :-)
[15:11] <balloons> he gets voted on tonight
[15:12] <balloons> which is err sometime tomorrow for you
[15:12] <balloons> see how this is confusing?
[15:12] <smartboyhw> balloons, srsly?
[15:12]  * smartboyhw needs to check on the date.
[15:12] <smartboyhw> balloons, no
[15:12] <balloons> wait.. I'm confused again
[15:12] <balloons> yea, he has 3 weeks to wait
[15:12] <smartboyhw> The next meeting should be the first Thursday of May :P
[15:12] <balloons> he missed april
[15:12] <balloons> lololol
[15:12] <smartboyhw> lolololololol
[15:13] <balloons> anyways, yes, thoughts?
[15:14] <smartboyhw> balloons, Google+ Hangouts again?:P
[15:14] <smartboyhw> Or just simple IRC support?
[15:14] <balloons> both are fun
[15:15] <smartboyhw> balloons, and both of them are good.
[15:16] <smartboyhw> balloons, possibly best to go ask in ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com what to do:)
[15:16] <balloons> sure, that's an idea
[15:17] <balloons> but you'll need to pitch a few different things for best results
[15:17] <smartboyhw> balloons, speaking of this, do you remember an very old action item that traces it's roots back to the time when we have IRC meetings?
[15:17] <smartboyhw> Update qa.ubuntu.com :P
[15:17] <smartboyhw> balloons, we can pitch:P
[15:18] <cjwatson> plars: I've added some debugging at my end.  Could you try again with "/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/bin/mark-current --help"?
[15:18] <smartboyhw> balloons, you updated the "getting involved" page
[15:18] <plars> cjwatson: same result, I get no output from it
[15:18] <smartboyhw> But in the main page you didn't update the box "Join Ubuntu QA:"
[15:18] <cjwatson> I wasn't expecting any change at your end
[15:19] <cjwatson> But it's given me a log to prove that it's getting through to my code
[15:19] <smartboyhw> It still has meetings and the old mailling list (ubuntu-qa@lists.ubuntu.com)
[15:20] <plars> cjwatson: gotcha
[15:25] <cjwatson> plars: try again (https://bazaar.launchpad.net/+branch/ubuntu-cdimage/revision/1237)
[15:27] <plars> cjwatson: that works now, thanks!
[15:30] <cjwatson> plars: I'd suggest trying a real (if no-op) operation too
[15:31] <cjwatson> plars: e.g. /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/bin/mark-current -p ubuntu -s raring -t desktop -a i386 20130411
[15:31] <cjwatson> (or '-i daily-live' instead of '-t desktop' if that's the form you'll be preferring)
[15:31] <plars> cjwatson: I was trying to see if I could work out the right set of options
[15:33] <plars> mark-current: error: unrecognised project 'ubuntu'
[15:33] <plars> cjwatson: ^
[15:33] <balloons> smartboyhw, yes I know ;)
[15:34] <cjwatson> errr
[15:37] <smartboyhw> balloons, :P
[15:53] <cjwatson> plars: working on it, fwiw, some complications
[15:54] <plars> cjwatson: np
[15:58] <cjwatson> plars: try again
[16:01] <plars> cjwatson: mark-current -p ubuntu -s raring -t desktop -a i386 20130411: success
[16:01] <plars> :)
[16:01] <cjwatson> plars: the delay was me adding that output, upon deciding that Unix silent-on-success behaviour was unhelpful here
[16:01] <cjwatson> (especially as it was also silent-on-failure)
[16:03] <plars> cjwatson: thanks for that, it's nice to have some feedback that it worked
[16:04] <jrr> I'd like to draw some attention to this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/+bug/1066591
[16:04] <jrr> check out the attached screenshot
[16:05] <jrr> hilariously bad experience for anyone who manages to get an xpm icon in their xfce application menu
[16:06] <balloons> jrr.. ohh.. no scaling on the icons eh?
[16:59] <dholbach> gema, happy birthday! :)
[18:06] <jrr> oh cool the xpm scaling issue affects unity as well http://imgur.com/0gE4Vop
[18:06] <jrr> what package would that be?
[18:06] <jrr> (sidenode - it's too hard to find/file a bug like this)
[18:09] <jrr> s/node/note/
[18:34] <balloons> jrr, that's crazy
[18:34] <balloons> but I don't see that happening to me
[18:34] <balloons> umm.. hmm
[18:34] <balloons> anything else besides nvidia causing the issue?
[18:50] <jrr> balloons: do you have any .desktop things pointing to .xpm icons?
[18:50] <jrr> I can give you mine if you'd like to test
[18:50] <balloons> jrr, just wondering if there was any that people could use to confirm
[18:51] <balloons> I'd be happy to confirm it as well
[18:51] <jrr> I filed this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1168081
[18:51] <balloons> hence my asking :-)
[18:51] <jrr> sure, just a sec
[18:55] <jrr> balloons: okay, attached to the above-linked bug
[18:55]  * balloons looks
[18:55] <jrr> I suspect you need only edit one of your existing .desktops and point it to the xpm
[18:56] <balloons> ok, and this is a regression.. it scaled in quantal, precise, etc?
[18:57] <jrr> I don't know when/if it worked correctly, but I have it occuring on updated 12.10 and 13.04
[18:59] <jrr> balloons: repro?
[19:01]  * balloons wonders if xpm's ever scaled
[19:03] <balloons> jrr, not yet
[19:05] <balloons> jrr, hmm so trying in unity without luck yet
[19:06] <jrr> I think you might need to log out/in for it to take if you edit an existing .desktop
[19:06] <balloons> rofl
[19:07] <balloons> confirmed
[19:07] <jrr> =D
[19:07] <jrr> it's pretty jarring
[19:07] <jrr> it's even better on xfce https://launchpadlibrarian.net/136987534/xfce_big_icon_2.png
[19:08] <balloons> jrr, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/+bug/1066591
[19:09] <balloons> there's something underlying this
[19:10] <jrr> in earlier googling I found references to gdk-pixbuf
[19:10] <balloons> from mutliple reports, this started in 12.10.. yes, it's underlying gtk issue
[19:11] <balloons> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=686514
[19:11] <balloons> looks like there is a fix.. you could link it and try and get a patch in
[19:12] <balloons> also https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9615 is relevant to you
[19:12] <balloons> probably should dupe your new bug, link to the old bugs and add those upstream links to them :-
[19:12] <balloons> make sense?
[19:13] <balloons> then if your really ambitious, try the upstream patch out..
[19:16] <jrr> not that ambitious
[19:16] <jrr> maybe when I have some time this weekend
[19:17] <balloons> :-) no worries.. that was fun to track down
[19:17] <jrr> where'd you find the link to the gnome bug?
[19:18] <balloons> I browsed around on there trackers
[20:20] <balloons> hello Noskcaj, Letozaf
[20:21] <balloons> Noskcaj, meet Devo-Kun . He's interested in xubuntu autopilot tests
[20:21] <Noskcaj> hey balloons, i think i found some new autopilot guys ;)
[20:21] <balloons> Noskcaj, :-)
[20:21] <Noskcaj> hello Devo-Kun
[20:21] <Devo-Kun> Hi
[20:21] <Letozaf> balloons, Noskcaj  Hello!
[20:21] <balloons> Letozaf is our resident autopilot expert!
[20:21]  * balloons smiles
[20:22] <Noskcaj> balloons, sorry to put you in charge of all this after i started it, i'm oing to be away till sunday
[20:22] <Noskcaj> and Letozaf, same apology
[20:22]  * Letozaf smiles
[20:22] <balloons> Noskcaj, lol.. recruiting new minds never needs an apology
[20:23] <balloons> So Devo-Kun several ways to go from here. if you've never seen how autopilot works, feel free to branch the project and run some of them
[20:23] <balloons> or run some of the unity tests on your box already
[20:24] <Devo-Kun> OK
[20:24] <Devo-Kun> Is this the Wiki page you mentioned? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases/Autopilot
[20:24] <Noskcaj> yep,
[20:25] <Devo-Kun> Great!
[20:26] <balloons> if something is confusing you can blame me, but then let me know.. I'd be happy to fix :-)
[20:33] <Letozaf> Devo-Kun, nice to meet you, if you need help   just ping me :)
[20:33] <Devo-Kun> Thanks!
[20:33] <Devo-Kun> I will.
[20:33] <Devo-Kun> I'm going to dig in to the AutoPilot stuff a little later.
[20:34] <Devo-Kun> Is there a place where the AutoPilot tests that already exist for Xubuntu are stored?
[20:34] <Devo-Kun> And is there a place where "user stories" for potential new AutoPilot tests are listed?
[20:37] <balloons> Devo-Kun, at the moment, there are none targetted for xubuntu
[20:37] <Devo-Kun> Fair enough.
[20:37] <balloons> we use the trello board for potentials.. however, any existing manual testcase is game
[20:37] <Devo-Kun> That's probably the reason for the recruitment effort on the Xubuntu-dev mailing list ;)
[20:37] <balloons> many of our first tests were conversion so to speak from the manual tests
[20:38] <balloons> https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/
[20:38] <balloons> that has all of the manual testcases in it
[20:39] <balloons> so in general I would start by targetting the default applications for xubuntu
[20:39] <balloons> and you'll probably want to start with a simple one
[20:40] <balloons> gnumeric and abiword are probably a bit more complex for example
[20:40] <balloons> leafpad is probably simpler
[20:51] <Noskcaj> Devo-Kun, if no-one has answered your question. xubuntu has nothing auto-pilot related so-far. the best thing to start with would be porting the gedit testcase to leafpad
[20:51] <Devo-Kun> Noskaj, that's good advice. I'll check that out.