[02:15] knome: so you know, i've added the testing team and bug squad to the magazine article http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-articles-xubuntucommunity would you mind proofreading it? [02:19] can someone running the default themes add some screenshots to the magazine articles? [06:56] is it just me or is the login manager getting worse? [13:59] skellat, knome: any news on bug #1158431 ? [13:59] bug 1158431 in shimmer-themes (Ubuntu) "lightdm graybird login issues on raring" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1158431 [14:38] what testings are missing? === G4MBY is now known as PaulW2U [19:56] Noskcaj: should check the archives if you're having trouble reading messages [19:56] pleia2, is there a link? [19:56] on the bottom of every message [19:57] devel mailing list main page has a link to the archives [19:57] (same with ubuntu-quality) [19:59] ok, thanks [20:06] is there anything people want me to do for the magazine articles? i'm going to be away for a few days [20:08] Noskcaj: can you explain which screenshots you wanted in your article? [20:08] also some kind of conclusion to wrap up the article would be nice :) [20:08] pleia2, all i can think of is one of the testdrive main screen and maybe one of the iso tracker. [20:09] we're going to remove testdrive from these instructions [20:09] ok, why? [20:09] * pleia2 gets the logs [20:09] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/04/09/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t20:42 [20:10] (we tried to get your attention, but I guess you weren't around :)) [20:11] i see, i had just turned my PC off. [20:16] it's a shame we''re removing testdrive, it's the most complete testing program, but you have a point [20:17] it's really quite different from the other two tools, so we'd need to write two different sets of instructions which gets overwhelming [20:19] yeah, i agree [20:19] and testdrive is so buggy it hurts [20:23] knome, use https://trello.com/board/autopilot-tests/50e735ad7351f0a64e00040c for autopilot things [20:23] i recommend you make a leafpad testcase an an Xchat testcase first [20:24] Noskcaj, i appreciate that somebody is organizing that, but as i wrote in the mail, i think we need to cooperate the xubuntu efforts on the wiki first [20:24] yeah, possibly [20:24] Noskcaj, i'd imagine that trello board is not for planning and discussion, looks like it's more for gathering together all things [20:25] my point is that we don't even know how we can benefit from any automated testing. [20:25] knome: added first draft of my article, need to tidy it up [20:26] knome, ask balloons. but mostly because it speeds up testing so much, especially the post-install tests. which could really benfit from it [20:26] Noskcaj, i have general knowledge on automated testing, but i don't know where and how we can make it actually beneficial [20:27] pleia2, right, i'll need to see that [20:27] pleia2, how's your saturday? [20:27] knome, mostly the post install tests, which are very tedious. [20:28] knome: I can wake up at 1400 if needed, but the rest of my weekend is stupid busy [20:28] 14UTC? [20:28] yeah [20:29] okay... [20:29] i'm not sure if that works for me. a late night would be better [20:29] I'm out the rest of the day [20:29] (i *might* be around at that time as well, but... meh) [20:29] do you leave on monday or sunday to the conference? [20:29] monday [20:30] okay [20:30] before the sun comes up [20:30] heh [20:30] Sunday is my clean home + pack for conference + more wedding stuff [20:30] so really no time there :( [20:30] yeah. i was wondering if we will have any time to work on the articles together [20:30] today? [20:31] yeah, I'll try today [20:31] have work for the next 3.5 hours [20:31] i can basically be around at any time, if it's something that'll allow me to sleep [20:32] that's probably pushing it... but i could look around the articles during that time and then try to stay up some time just to coordinate the rest with you [20:33] ok, you want to look through (can leave notes for me), then I look through tonight, then tomorrow we try to do finishing touches? [20:33] gah, is the wiki playing on me again [20:33] yep, that sounds like the most feasible plan [20:34] i'll try to gather a todo-list *at least* [20:34] my neck still hurts really bad, so i'll have to keep breaks and stuff. [20:37] who's light blue on the community artile? [20:37] *article [20:37] we should've told people to leave a comment in the chat to identify them [20:37] I think it was Noskcaj [20:37] do we want to keep the "if" -thing going? [20:38] I think it's fine [20:39] those sections do need to be xubuntu-ized [20:39] in that case i'd change the sections before as well [20:39] all the sentences start with "if" there ;) [20:40] yeah. [20:40] who enjoys "finding bugs" :) [20:41] hehe [20:41] that's just a weird way to step into the section [20:43] i'm thinking about the article scope [20:43] do we want to describe the actual steps to get involved (like in testing and bug triage), or just give the reader an idea how they could help (like the previous ones) [20:44] ah, good point [20:44] because that's prone to change too === 77CAAVMF2 is now known as TheDrums [20:44] daily build -> too technical :) [20:45] yeah, dropping it entirely is fine [20:45] i'll look if there's something i can mention [20:45] plus this applies to stable too, where an SRU may be needed (unrelated to daily builds) [20:45] yup [20:50] the pad's lagging [20:51] looks like you fell off [20:51] i fell off like 5 times [20:51] I'm not editing so if you want to do some offline for a bit and copy it in later that's fine [20:52] if the pad continues playing with me, i'll do that [20:52] really, if we want to mvoe them all to google docs at this point that's ok [20:52] does gdocs show character counts? [20:52] then we have an easy export to do to get them to Sonny anyway [20:52] pretty sure, if not you can download as .odt anyway [20:52] yeah. [20:52] * pleia2 checks [20:52] * knome breaths deeply [20:52] i hate the pad [20:53] does word count [20:53] it's dis/reconnecting me every 10 secs [20:53] oh, include characters [20:53] good [20:53] let's do that [20:53] so yeah, move everything to docs and invite lyz@princessleia.com to edit plz [20:53] meh! [20:53] :) [20:53] i will [20:53] once i get my head around how to do that [20:53] * pleia2 voluntells knome [20:53] and get a few hits at the pad [20:54] lol [20:54] so docs.google.com is really "gods.com" [20:54] * knome has horrible typing again [20:54] gdocs says "Sorry, there was an error performing this operation." [20:55] ...what operation? [20:55] i just logged in. [20:56] you should be shared a folder in my gdrive now [20:56] \o/ [20:56] great! [20:58] how can i see if you're on? [20:58] * pleia2 opens a doc [20:59] ah, great [20:59] you have opened the document! [20:59] :) [20:59] going out to run a couple errands (need some fresh air) [20:59] ok, hf [20:59] (i need some fresh air too...) [21:35] pleia2, i reviewed and revised the community article [21:36] pleia2, moving the other articles to gdocs now as well [21:37] knome: wanna delete content in etherpad and just leave a "thanks for your article, it's being sent to the editor!" note? [21:37] just in case anyone tries to edit more [21:37] yeah, i'll do that once i've done moving each [21:38] the themes article needs p-a-r-a-g-r-a-p-h-s :) [21:50] so.. [21:51] i noticed the the development for xubuntu is somewhat stalling [21:51] I'm a developer and I use Xubuntu on a daily basis [21:51] it's not, ubuntu just has most of the freezes right now and there's not much we can do [21:51] so i want to contribute. However I mainly work with the web and stuff. not sure how to start [21:51] oh is it? [21:52] yeah, release is just 2 weeks away :) [21:52] so only major bug fixes are going on right now [21:52] Pwnna, http://xubuntu.org/contribute/ is a good starting point. [21:52] talking to me and pleia2 isn't bad either. [21:52] i'm upgrading my netbook to 13.04. i think i have a security issue.. [21:52] (i'm the project lead, pleia2 is the website/marketing lead) [21:52] yeah i know [21:52] (At least it didn't freeze as long as wheezy has been in for) [21:52] i saw :) [21:52] Pwnna, have you filed a bug? [21:52] not yet. my main dev machine is on LTS [21:53] ok, please do as soon as you can so people can start working on it [21:53] i'm upgrading to beta2 [21:53] and i'll see if the bug is still present [21:53] it's not a critical security issue imo [21:54] Pwnna: as far as web stuff goes, if you find something that needs fixing/updating/whatever on the website we have bugs for that too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website - once you submit a bug you can also follow up with it with ideas on how to fix (we like when people volunteer to help after noticing an issue!) [21:54] pleia2: i'm more interested in doing dev for the desktop! get away from what i do regularly :P [21:54] Pwnna: ah ok :) [21:54] Pwnna: might consider contributing directly to Xfce too, since that's where we get our whole environment from [21:54] Pwnna, just a note that i'm doing a website redesign right now, so things can be more or less out of place ;) [21:55] we do themes and such, but the Xfce folks handle major desktop stuff [21:55] so if anyone wants to reproduce the bug before I can: in your user session click switch user. Then switch to a different user (I used guest), then click CTRL + ALT + F7. *No* password prompt needed to get back into your account [21:55] hm [21:55] what does the xubuntu people actually do? [21:55] drink beer [21:55] * knome hides [21:55] lol [21:56] the contribute page that knome linked gives an overview :) [21:56] I drink coffee, eat cookies, and randomly try to fix the docs or if something else is out of place. [21:56] Pwnna, on a more serious tone, we usually just "stitch" several things together and make sure they work smoothly [21:56] packaging, testing, bug reporting+fixing, theme design stuff, marketing [21:56] i see [21:56] hm [21:57] Pwnna, now and then we have some projects to create some completely new features as well, though they usually end up upstream ;) [21:57] (which is the point too...) [21:57] heh awesome [21:57] but yeah. that bug is somewhat serious? idk.. [21:57] Display dialog and gtk theme editor, for two examples. [21:57] still waiting for my updater. [21:57] not sure if that's an upstream issue, however. [21:57] xubuntu needs stickers! [21:57] :P [21:58] we have stickers! [21:58] you can order them from moo.com! [21:59] where? [21:59] o.O [21:59] hmm, we didn't publish that page on our website yet [21:59] just a second [21:59] the github octocat stickers are tempting too. they're outta stock, however [21:59] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Products#Stickers [22:00] aww but no one other than those that uses xubuntu know what that logo means :P [22:02] it's a good conversation opener. [22:02] lol [22:03] "Why do you have a (rat|bunny) on your laptop?" [22:03] iunno. i'm gonna be sticking a tonne of octocats.. [22:03] so.. [22:03] no one knows what they mean either [22:03] i ripped off my win7 sticker [22:03] it needs a replacement ;) [22:04] knome: well but they look weird and more prominent than a ratbunny ;) [22:04] we have case badges under work. [22:04] all the xubuntu swag. heh [22:04] we even did a first printing [22:04] where are you from? canada? [22:04] :o [22:04] yup [22:04] yay unmasked host [22:05] if you are nice for pleia2, she might send you one or two. [22:05] :o [22:05] i have them as well, but i live across the pond [22:05] yeah, email lyz@ubuntu.com with your postal address and I'll send some over [22:05] heh. [22:05] i'm gonna be moving soon..ish [22:06] so idk if i can accept mail at this point [22:06] ah well, whenever :) [22:06] though i do have like 16 days.. hmm [22:06] I tend to order more when I run out, so I usually have a supply of them [22:06] pleia2's going to be all across the world in the following month, so be quick! [22:06] (disclaimer: in one piece and in one place at a time) [22:07] just east, then south a bit :) [22:07] just one? [22:07] sticking with this continent afterall [22:07] yeah, not in ghana, then US, then denmark, then US... like the last time. [22:07] hehe [22:07] me too! [22:07] that was a tiring month [22:08] bluesabre, yes. i think it's better for us if pleia2 stays in one piece [22:08] ah [22:08] bluesabre, actually, she's going to be two-in-one soon! [22:08] yeah, that would be useful, unless she can do twice as much as two parts? [22:08] Can't do twice as much with twice as many pleia2s? [22:08] :D [22:08] well next week I go to Portland, then Philly, then Mexico [22:08] (and that's not in a kinky way, just how many people conceptualize marriage) [22:08] portland is north I guess [22:09] pleia2: hmm i definitely have enough time! hopefully :) email'ed [22:09] Unit193, i guess she hasn't got the ability to actually split into two different pieces which are both similar to what she's now... otherwise i might need to have one here. [22:10] Silly birds/bats in the chimney again... [22:11] darn them [22:13] pleia2, all articles moved over to gdocs [22:14] gdocs! [22:14] yes? [22:14] the inability to do more complicated headers/footers, as well as just the general lack of features really.. >_> [22:14] it's like heave compared to a laggy etherpad. [22:14] heaven too [22:15] and we don't really need complicated stuff [22:15] yeah i know [22:15] i use it a lot now.. [22:15] and it's just temporary anyway [22:15] there really needs to be an alternative to it.. [22:15] There is skydrive. :P [22:15] ..... [22:15] ._. [22:16] it works...kind of [22:16] * Pwnna is a microsoft-free user! :D [22:16] i'm not...kind of [22:16] lol [22:16] i stil need to run windows under virtualbox, but i don't have a native installation anywhere [22:17] i have to use their stuff at work, there is no escape for me [22:17] i try to avoid it, but i have some rare clients who need some windows-consulting [22:17] it was nice to see how windows 8 was... until i needed to configure it [22:18] Tax software... Anyway, Libreoffice did have some weird document CVS type thing in 4.0+, don't know how to use it though. [22:18] I have to do some corporate stuff on windows, but not much or often [22:18] anyway, this starts going offtopic, so let's continue on #xubuntu-offtopic [22:18] oh yeah me too. i guess [22:18] autocad grr [22:19] * lderan goes back to setting up a moinmoin wiki for testing [22:23] pleia2, i worked some more on the testing article. i think it's much better now, but it also lacks around 1800 chars. [22:24] pleia2, there is still things to extend though [22:24] pleia2, i'm wondering if we should go through setting up a vbox installation as well. it's not too long, and it would be quite useful [22:30] ooh [22:30] I think I managed to upload a new catfish to the catfish-stable ppa [22:30] ooh what? you want to help? [22:30] oh damnit. [22:30] we'll find out if it builds [22:30] ;) [22:31] * bluesabre wonders if one successful package is enough for me to get upload rights [22:31] haha [22:31] probably not, but it's a good start [22:31] yeah [22:31] if it does work, I might be able to get you to talk to scott to upload it to raring [22:32] bluesabre: pdebuilder can help there, one of the worst issues I hit with upload was I had entered "unstable" for dist. :P [22:32] nice [22:32] i'd imagine a few succeful uploads would warrant you to get the upload permissions to xubuntu packages, if we set up team delegation [22:32] bluesabre, rather just make a general query for sponsorship [22:33] poking (too) busy people with our errands is not what i want to do every day :) [22:34] (philosophically thinking, i don't know if there is any single thing i want to do every day) [22:34] Eat. [22:34] Go to the moon? [22:34] and get paid for it [22:35] yeah. but sometimes it just feels like it's a mandatory thing you have to perform [22:35] i assume that would be physically exhausting thing to do every day... [22:35] ...and we're going offtopic again :) [22:35] :D [22:35] This always happens when I am around ;) [22:35] nah, it's one of the things that tell you you've done enough FOSS work for the day [22:38] good to know :P [22:38] woo! Hedgewars update! [22:38] bluesabre, HA! [22:38] Good to know these things are still getting updates after all the freezes are over [22:38] oh. [22:38] duh. [22:38] :) [22:38] its important, for sure [22:39] very. [22:39] but if it's non-seeded... [22:39] then it should have no problems getting in if it's just bug fixes [22:40] we should consider adding it as part of the xubuntu seed [22:40] ;) [22:41] hah [22:41] * bluesabre hides from incoming slap [22:41] inkscape first. [22:41] nah [22:41] my neck/back hurts so no slapping for me [22:42] wow, launchpad never gets my packages in the build queue for just 15 minutes [22:42] this is amazing [22:46] \o/ [22:46] * knome tickles lderan from the armpit [22:47] * lderan flails a bit [23:11] wooo! [23:11] it worked [23:12] it built and the previous packaging issues are fixed [23:12] :) [23:13] yay === G4MBY is now known as PaulW2U [23:32] login screen: password text and the hostname text is white.. [23:32] hard to see [23:33] yeah, known bug, we need an uploader to get the latest version of our theme before we can "fix" that [23:34] ok [23:34] knome, I vote for you [23:35] bluesabre, you can't. [23:35] to continue being XPL [23:35] bluesabre, yet. [23:35] i feel like my sensors output is wrong for this netbook o.o [23:35] I know [23:35] uh. wrong windo [23:35] But I will [23:35] :) [23:35] thanks [23:35] Unless I am missing from the internet that day [23:35] if you wish to, you can leave some supporting words in my wikipage [23:35] i just noticed i went 1000 chars over my limit! [23:36] :O [23:36] oh no! [23:37] well i'm just cutting down the crap i put in there [23:37] i mean, the extra characters [23:37] knome: remember, we're not doing screenshots everywhere [23:37] so we may need more words in some articles [23:37] also - should we use the picture from UDS in our community article? [23:37] knome, i've got the #startmeeting to be case insensitive because i stumbled across it :P [23:38] lderan, hehe [23:38] pleia2, mmh. [23:38] pleia2, see the community article [23:39] pleia2, it's 4998 chars.. without spaces [23:39] OOPS! [23:39] :) [23:39] * pleia2 shrugs [23:39] yeah. [23:39] but you also might want to check i didn't write i secretly love pleia2 in a pink unicorn dress. [23:40] this article is pretty [23:40] haha [23:40] right, no unicorn dresses [23:40] for you or me? [23:40] :| [23:40] for me [23:41] ah! then it's fine [23:41] ;)= [23:42] i mean, the aforementioned sentence might imply *i'm* in the pink unicorn dress, secretly loving pleia2 [23:42] true [23:42] lderan: Great! We can finally use #StArTmEeTiNg ! [23:42] I'll keep an eye out for that too [23:43] good good [23:43] i don't remember i wrote that, but if i did, please edit it away [23:43] Unit193, who wouldn't want to use that? [23:43] Unit193: you totally would open a bug report requesting that [23:43] i don't fancy pink unicorn dresses either [23:43] pleia2: ...That'd be one I'd even have to file, with my hate for bugs. :P [23:44] Unit193, file a bug saying people shouldn't need to file bugs because that's just clearly against humanity. [23:44] Unit193, if you file it against xubuntu-website, i'll mark it as invalid and comment that rather than what you wrote, it's against humanity needing to *process* bugs. [23:51] Unit193, but bugs get rid of that false sense of security [23:51] I thought catfish was finally perfect, but the bugs finally started rolling in [23:52] bluesabre: I never have that, my 82845G/GL with the i915 driver makes sure of that on the one computer... [23:52] :D [23:52] could be worse [23:53] I found a bug with the current kernel version with my laptop [23:53] but its fixed in the next kernel version [23:53] which means I am stuck with it until 13.10 [23:53] no suspending for me [23:53] I guess thats not worse though [23:53] since yours will never work right [23:54] ... sorry [23:54] :D [23:59] pleia2, you're off work any minute! [23:59] yes, and have to run to the post office for Pwnna's stickers! [23:59] hehe