[03:35] <iRobertTM> Hello
[06:41] <dholbach> good morning
[08:46] <louk> Tiens un autre Lyonnais
[08:56] <Pototo> hello
[08:56] <Pototo> HOW ARE YOU?
[08:56] <binit92> pretty nice
[08:56] <binit92> :D
[08:58] <Pototo> I cant speak french anymore. I stop talking when I was a kid, and lost it :-(
[08:59] <Pototo> I like english more, lol...at least now that I am an adult, lol
[09:00] <Pototo> if I can get bleu cheese and wine, then the official language could be french
[09:03] <dholbach> this is not a live video, but a recording :)
[09:03] <dholbach> we'll ve live in ~4 hours from now
[11:15] <Kumaran> Hi
[11:20] <ReformUbuntu> Hello All
[11:21] <ReformUbuntu> When is the video going to become available, its 12.20 here in Scotland and its unavailable
[11:22] <Kumaran> I dunno... lets see... What time is it in EST?
[11:28] <Kumaran> its 11:27 UTC. We have to wait till 13:00 UTC
[12:09] <stroodlepup> hi
[12:21] <_DomY-Dom> RedWine HQ is next lol => Make sure it's a better Windows emulator
[12:33] <stroodlepup_> hi
[12:44] <stroodlepup_> hi
[12:45] <stroodlepup_> is there a way to make a gui toolkit out of lighhtdm?
[12:51] <Lee__> .
[12:52] <m00n> ..
[12:52] <Lee__> +i
[12:59] <Guest85401> can I get ubuntu on my blackberry?
[13:00] <lool> Ondrej coming?
[13:00] <lool> Barry perhaps?
[13:01] <stgraber> lool: I poked him but he's marked as away on IRC (even though he said he'd on the invite)
[13:01] <stgraber> lool: gah, forgot to invite barry, let me invite him now
[13:01] <dholbach> stgraber, will take care of it
[13:02] <stgraber> dholbach: ok. I gave him the link in private and briefed him on it :)
[13:02] <dholbach> perfect
[13:03] <dholbach> so my friends... if you have questions, please go ahead and ask them
[13:03] <dholbach> but please prefix them with QUESTION:
[13:04] <guset> I want ubuntu on blackberry
[13:06] <Namidairo> tempted to ask 100 duck sized horses or 1 horse sized duck
[13:07] <dholbach> guset, I'm not sure here's the best place to ask for it - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices and #ubuntu-touch might generally be more helpful
[13:07] <lool> spec is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ImageBasedUpgrades/Mobile
[13:08] <dholbach> thanks lool
[13:08] <yurij> QUESTION: Knowing that xfce's popularity is steadily growing and KDE is getting performance upgrades, are there plans to upgrade standard Unity 3D environment in a matter of interface performance/responsivness/physical resource usage
[13:09] <cyberbrain> this is not live?
[13:10]  * ogra_ doesnt see a stream either 
[13:10] <Namidairo> I see it...
[13:10]  * janimo sees it too
[13:10] <ogra_> k
[13:10] <ogra_> must be me then
[13:10] <lool> it's live
[13:11] <lool> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWum6Yv9XOU is the link to watch
[13:12] <mirtis123> when be final release ubuntu 13.04?
[13:12] <ogra_> april 25th
[13:12] <ogra_> (not for ubuntu touch though)
[13:13] <mirtis123> actually i waiting for it to try on my desktop pc now with windows 7
[13:13] <Namidairo> ahhh the boxes are going black!
[13:14] <Putri> he
[13:14] <guset> this is for tablets
[13:16] <dholbach> yurij, this hangout is about updates for mobile devices running Ubuntu - you might have better chances asking your question in #ubuntu-desktop or #ubuntu-unity
[13:17] <cyberbrain> glad to see bunch of developers on one place :D
[13:18] <slangasek> lool: "action" - anyone taking notes? :-)
[13:18] <dholbach> cyberbrain, and they're all from different places :)
[13:19] <lool> slangasek: good Q
[13:20] <guset> go steve
[13:20] <lool> slangasek: I can add to the bp at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-1303-single-image-update
[13:20] <lool> done
[13:23] <guset> what about backing up
[13:23] <guset> usb
[13:23] <dholbach> guset, can you prefix your questions with "QUESTION: " - can you clarify what you'd like to know about backup up?
[13:24] <guset> "QUESTION" What about backing up your settings on your pc like apple
[13:25] <cyberbrain> dholbach: yeah...i might join too...having a fact i'm from serbia
[13:25] <cyberbrain> dholbach: :D
[13:25] <janimo> QUESTION: Is there an overview or comparison of various OEMs, carriers and Google's way of delivering system image updates? Besides update.zip (which is not universally used either) is everyone doing their own server-side and phone-side setup?
[13:25] <Namidairo> the usual imaging of /system and /data should work ja
[13:25] <asdfa> i want to join
[13:26] <User____> test
[13:26] <dholbach> cyberbrain, asdfa: you can ask questions in here - just make sure you prefix them with    QUESTION:
[13:27] <lool> we might end up configuring devices to do something like http://phablet.stgraber.org/channels.json?device=nexus7
[13:27] <asdfa> can i join with webcam
[13:27] <User____> dad
[13:27] <cyberbrain> QUESTION: When ubuntu mobile is comming out? :)
[13:28] <slangasek> asdfa: you are welcome to ask questions here on IRC; if they're on-topic we can relay them into the hangout
[13:28] <janimo> cyberbrain, that is not the topic of this discussion
[13:28] <ogra_> with 13.10 there should be a first usable image
[13:28] <ogra_> (like usable for your mom on a mid sized phone)
[13:28] <Putri> e
[13:29] <janimo> QUESTION: could the Ubuntu image be upgraded using the default app store that comes with the device?
[13:29] <TheGorgotron> QUESTION: Will updates be pushed out the same time regardless of carrier, or will it be different for every carrier?
[13:29] <ogra_> TheGorgotron, that depends on the carriers to decide
[13:29] <ogra_> (likley not different to iOS or android with carriers today)
[13:30] <Namidairo> although I think Apple practically blackmailed carriers into letting them handle updates themselves
[13:30] <Putri> how about ubuntu touch?
[13:30] <ogra_> Putri, this is what this session is aboout (upgrades of ubuntu touch)
[13:31] <Putri> oh..
[13:31] <benkaiser> Wouldn't the data be backed up to Ubuntu One DB?
[13:31] <lool> we might offer u1db as an API, but it's up to the apps to leverage that
[13:31] <Putri> on tablet or smartphone?
[13:32] <benkaiser> lool, okays
[13:33] <TheGorgotron> QUESTION: Will there be a preferred phone carrier/model that will be able to get the updates as soon as they come out (not sure if this would be known already)?
[13:33] <lool> benkaiser: (like e.g. google drive does on android for various apps)
[13:33] <lool> or the android API to save app data in the cloud
[13:33] <ogra_> TheGorgotron, there are negotiations going on ... nt sure if the upgrade policy is talked about there yet
[13:35] <benkaiser> lool, can android apps utilize Google Drive? is it only a storage medium or do they have a database API?
[13:35] <lool> TheGorgotron: this depends on what the carrier wants or where you buy your phone from; technically, phones can ship pointing at Ubuntu or pointing at a carrier's update site
[13:35] <Namidairo> benkaiser: https://developers.google.com/drive/
[13:36] <TheGorgotron> Ok. Ill just keep watching out then. I'll go with whatever carrier supports updates as soon as they come out without adding their bloatware.
[13:37] <Namidairo> subtle changes aka bloat
[13:38] <lool> benkaiser: we're getting a bit far from the topic, but yeah; check out e.g. the Tracks app or the Google Keep app; they store their data in Google Drive
[13:38] <patrickFROMoz> can someone let me know if Ubuntu will have a stable ms exchange software?
[13:38] <benkaiser> Namidairo, I guess you would store the data in a file with the drive api (sqlite, json, etc...) anyway wayyy off track here...
[13:38] <benkaiser> thanks lool
[13:40] <TheGorgotron> patrickFROMoz, I'm going to go out on a limb and say NO.
[13:40] <omarly> most of this is over my head, but love to hear the smart minds developing :))
[13:41] <janimo> QUESTION: Can't we just use whatever carriers already use for Android ROMs without having them make something compatible with whatever our implementation for the UBuntu servers is?
[13:42] <janimo> slangasek, I was framing that question that way specifically since I wonder if we can just use carriers and OEM existing Android updates at the moment
[13:43] <janimo> if this discussion is about long-term updates too when we may not even use android then I just did not think that far
[13:43] <janimo> slangasek, so Android ROM as usual, and the Ubuntu payload from the default app store
[13:44] <janimo> as they may not want to set up new servers tp push out UT for 1 or 2 phones initailly
[13:44] <slangasek> janimo: I don't expect there to be any "Android ROM" in this scenario
[13:44] <slangasek> (unless you mean the boot image)
[13:44] <janimo> slangasek, I completely misunderstood part of this then. I thought we want to update the CM-based system rom, and independently the UBuntu image
[13:45] <ogra_> slangasek, the android container i guess
[13:45] <janimo> slangasek, well the base layer which is an Android image, even though gutted :)
[13:45] <ogra_> janimo, we're working on changing that design
[13:45] <ogra_> android will move into a container
[13:45] <janimo> but its form and behaviour from OTA and carrier PoV is just like exsiting stuff for carriers
[13:46] <janimo> ogra_, that was not decided yet 100% two weeks ago when I last heard
[13:46] <slangasek> janimo: the current android/ubuntu split is a kludge; we don't want to have three pieces (boot, android, ubuntu) requiring updates
[13:46] <ogra_> (which might indeed also need updates)
[13:46] <slangasek> janimo: and all carrier customization is going to be *in* the Ubuntu image
[13:46] <janimo> for this specific OTA thing I think that inside out method is putting us at disadvantage
[13:46] <slangasek> which will supersede/integrate almost everything that's "android" today, except for the kernel
[13:47] <sergiusens> but it's not like that for Apple, right?
[13:47] <TheGorgotron> it would be nice if they made it possible to bypass the carrier and update the phones using public images.
[13:47] <janimo> slangasek, ok, I thought we'll have system.img (or equivalent update.zip with boot.img + system folder) for the foreseeable future
[13:47] <janimo> like with the first actual phones
[13:47] <slangasek> janimo: "system.img" will contain the Ubuntu OS :)
[13:48] <slangasek> the Android bits are present for enablement only; there isn't going to be any coherent, usable android system underneath
[13:48] <ogra_> janimo, the android layer today is only for having drivers ... if we work with the manufacturer and carrier thats not needed
[13:48] <Namidairo> TheGorgotron: If only there were some sort of openish handset line free from carrier meddling... I would call it something like... Nexus
[13:49] <janimo> ogra_, ok, I thought we bootstrao not only development, but distribution of first wave of devices piggybacking on android
[13:49] <slangasek> janimo: on android *drivers*
[13:49] <slangasek> and possibly reusing some bits of the hal
[13:49] <ogra_> slangasek, well, that means armel :)
[13:49] <janimo> slangasek, right, so a bare-bones android system w/o dalvik
[13:49] <slangasek> but, e.g., not surfaceflinger
[13:50] <ogra_> binary android drivers are all armel ...
[13:50] <slangasek> ogra_: yes, we have armel solved
[13:50] <slangasek> see libhybris ;)
[13:50] <ogra_> (though we get offtopic here ... probably better to discuss in -touch)
[13:50] <TheGorgotron> Namidairo: Nexus is owned by Google right? Are they going to allow Ubuntu on their phones?
[13:50]  * Namidairo notes that the Tegra 3 based Asus Transformer line have multiple bootloaders, with incompatible kernels, indistinguishable from within android
[13:51] <ogra_> TheGorgotron, nexus is an open platform
[13:51] <ogra_> TheGorgotron, we already ship images for the nexus line
[13:51] <Namidairo> it's also the current development platform for ubuntu touch
[13:51] <TheGorgotron> ogra: Great to know, thank you.
[13:51] <ogra_> google surely wont preinstall it if you mean that
[13:52] <TheGorgotron> Namidairo: Thanks.
[13:52] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install ... has info
[13:54] <TheGorgotron> Ogra: Yeah that's fine. Thanks for the link.
[13:55] <TheGorgotron> Damn I went with the wrong phone :( (GS3)
[13:55] <Rsalveti_> What's Loïc talking about?
[13:55] <cjwatson> phased-updates> deployed on the LP side but the errors.u.c work is still ongoing
[13:55] <cjwatson> Rsalveti_: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-r-phased-updates
[13:56] <cjwatson> lool: "A/B testing" might be the term you're thinking of
[13:56] <cjwatson> or something along those lines
[13:56] <guset> how can we help
[13:56] <Rsalveti_> My brains just exploded. I don't understand
[13:56] <franksemi> Sorry, I havn't followed Ununtu Touch much, and it tould be that this is the wrong place to ask this, but I was wondering about landscape support. Just ignore the question if it is not the right place and time.
[13:57] <rsalveti> cjwatson: thanks
[13:57] <guset> QUESTION: How can we help
[13:57] <TheGorgotron> franksemi: I would think that would be pretty standard now.
[13:57] <lool> cjwatson: that was it, thanks
[13:58] <Rsalveti_> This is Riccardo
[13:58] <dholbach> guset, great question
[13:58] <ogra_> bugs ?!? we dont have bugs !
[13:58] <Rsalveti_> Ubuntu full of bugs
[13:59] <lool> ( https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-1303-single-image-update )
[13:59] <barry> not yet
[13:59] <Rsalveti_> Let's talk multitasking and automated bug reporting
[14:00] <ogra_> guset, you can come to #ubuntu-touch for a start :)
[14:00] <ogra_> thats where we all hang around
[14:00] <lool> added WI about adding parameters to the request
[14:02] <mrybka> when will be released ubuntu 13.04?
[14:02] <ogra_> april 25th
[14:02] <mrybka> I mean day
[14:02] <ogra_> that should be a thursday
[14:03] <mrybka> that`s correct
[14:03] <janimo> stgraber, slangasek , lool is ubuntu-touch a good channel for this topic?
[14:03] <TheGorgotron> Thanks a lot guys!! Great info. Thanks for doing these for everyone to see.
[14:03] <slangasek> stgraber: ^^ are you on #ubuntu-touch?
[14:03] <Ubuntureform> Stephane how's the multitasking going to work?
[14:03] <ogra_> janimo, for sure
[14:03] <cyberbrain> bye
[14:03] <stgraber> slangasek: no but I think I should be ;)
[14:03] <slangasek> stgraber: agreed :)
[14:03] <stgraber> I am now ;)
[14:03] <janimo> ogra_, I did not ask you :P I know you are there already :)
[14:04] <lool> janimo: works for me
[14:04] <ogra_> janimo, well, who isnt there should come :)
[14:23] <kris97> hi
[14:32] <adonizer> Hİ!
[14:38] <stroodlepup> hi
[14:38] <stroodlepup> I'm back
[14:59] <jair> 1. whUbuntu bt
[15:00] <jair> why ubuntu needs to run in top of Android?
[15:01] <jair> sounds like linux in top of linux? unnecessary?
[15:02] <jair> cant ubuntu run directly into the mobile devices?
[15:02] <Kostic> jair, the posibility of use of Android drivers. It's because of that. Also, Ubuntu Touch is still in it's infancy
[15:03] <Kostic> it's easier to start by using Android rather than building it from scratch
[15:03] <Kostic> Also, it uses just Android kernel, nothing more so it's actually just using it's kernel (linux). ;)
[15:10] <jair> Thanks Kostic!!
[16:29] <SteveKondik> when is ubuntu touch stable ? :)
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[23:26] <Rocketman_> Say what