* Linton is just lurking for info.00:37
Bevois there somewhere to keep up with a changelog for touch? ie things that are changing from the release notes?00:49
Lintonxda forums seem to have some unofficial threads that compile them00:53
lenios_there is also a ubuntu touch summary section in ubuntu weekly newsletter00:56
lenios_https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg01464.html for week 13, as in UWN 311 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue31100:57
houtwormjust curious how far are you guys with ubuntu phone im getting a xperia z next month i have a good working smarthphone so i want to use the experia z to experiment with ubuntu touch i have little knowledge about flashing phones but i can work my way around in ubuntu if i want to install it could i use the nexus image or should i install it another way01:31
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user90How can i connect to a hidden SSID using ubuntu phone?02:25
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naguIs there any provision to run ubuntu touch on virtual box?06:29
Mirvlool: could you do a new upload of lp:ubuntu-ui-toolkit into raring? I merged your raring changes into trunk so it should be ready for an upload06:43
dholbachgood morning06:43
oSoMoNgood morning07:05
istyROhello all07:26
istyROwho knows anything about ubuntu toutch:) i have a fiew questiuons:)07:27
guschWellark: ping07:41
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Wellarkgusch: pong07:43
guschWellark: is there some documendation for qml HUD ?07:45
Wellarkgusch: not at the moment. The final API is still in flux. :/07:48
guschWellark: and where can I find the current API?07:48
Wellarkthe plan is to get the HUD and the API finalized by the end of this month07:48
Wellarkgusch: the current 1.0 is in lp:libhud-qt07:48
Wellarkgusch: we are investigating on creating an unified action class for all of the unity APIs07:49
Wellarkand that affects the HUD API also07:49
Wellarkgusch: I'm able to work with the HUD API next week with the SDK team for review07:50
guschWellark: I was rather interested in how to enable/disable context07:50
Wellarkgusch: that is still WIP in the backend, too07:51
guschWellark: but would it be better to wait for further work on HUD?07:51
Wellarkgusch: have you gotten any additional specifications for new actions?07:51
Wellarkor are you only interested on the context support right now?07:52
guschWellark: more or less - well - I was looking for doing HUD "right" for gallery07:52
Wellarkgusch: yeah, like the edit commands are only available on edit view and such07:53
Wellarkgusch: please wait until the 1.0 API is "frozen"07:54
guschWellark: ok - I'll wait then - thx07:54
Wellarkgusch: there is no release of 1.0 at the moment so even though if you would compile it yourself you could not commit that to gallery trunk07:55
Wellark*commit the HUD changes07:55
loolMirv: yup07:58
didrockslool: can we have that under daily release? I thought ken and Mirv were discussing about it?08:00
didrocksthat would be better than old-fashion manual upload, not tracking state and so on :)08:00
looldidrocks: I dont mind; Mirv, is that ok?08:00
loolMirv: BTW latest changelog entry seems to repeat changelog entry from 0.1.38 where I drop ubuntu-sdk package?08:01
oSoMoNMirv: ping08:04
Mirvlool: that's ok, I just thought the daily enablement would be done only after S, plus I'm not sure what further needs to be done (probably jenkins side)08:09
Mirvlool: yes, sorry, it repeats that because for the PPA release that was a new item, merging your dropping08:09
MirvoSoMoN: pong08:09
Mirvafter raring release, regarding the daily08:10
rockbaaskahi  guys08:11
oSoMoNMirv: I’ve got a patch for qtwebkit, sending you all the details by e-mail in a minute08:12
MirvoSoMoN: ok, thanks08:13
rockbaaskaquantal-preinstalled-armel+grouper.zip not flashed08:13
rockbaaskamd5 error08:14
oSoMoNMirv: sent08:15
oSoMoNMirv: note that so far I have tested the patch on desktop only, an armhf build is currently running to test it on a device, but I really don’t expect any difference, I’ll keep you posted anyway08:22
MirvoSoMoN: ok, keep me posted, I added it in my work tree and after your armhf build finishes I can push another build of my own into qt5-beta-proper, from which it'd be copied to qt5-proper08:22
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shadeslayerrsalveti: any luck with the initrd? :P08:29
mardympt: hi! Are you subscribed to the ubuntu-phone ML?08:48
ogra_sergiusens, hmm, todays image did only spit out the rootfs, no android zips08:49
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mptmardy, I didn't realize there was one, but I'm subscribed now.09:04
mardympt: ah, I already wrote a message there, so you probably missed it: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg01674.html09:04
mardympt: I will edit the page to note a couple of requirements that this design brings to Mir09:09
mptmardy, Mir? Really?09:09
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tsdgeosgusch: what happened with the gallery-app icon? Can't see it in the hud anymore09:29
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looldidrocks: so it seems fine; would you set it up?09:35
didrockslool: I think for S then09:40
didrockslool: so go ahead for R09:40
didrocks(Mirv talked about S)09:40
Neguhi anyware there?09:48
Neguplease someone can tell me if there will be a version of ubuntu to galaxy tab 10.1 3g?09:49
ogra_if it is not on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices you have to port it yourself https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/porting09:53
ogra_(or find someone who does it for you)09:54
Neguif anyone knows and can give me information my email is:enegreiros@hotmail.com thanks09:55
ogra_hmm, do i have the invisible font in use today ?09:56
didrocksif only ogra_ answered…10:01
popeyogra_: so the build failed today?10:08
ogra_popey, thats the weird part ... it didnt10:08
ogra_it just didnt spit out the android zips10:08
popeyckpringle: ^^10:08
ogra_but is still considered goog by jenkins10:08
popeybut the files are missing at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/10:09
ckpringleogra_: ok so phablet-flash-l is not working10:09
mardympt: I edited the page, please let me know if the technical paragraph is not clear10:09
popeyckpringle: yes, you'll need to manually install apps for the moment until a new build is made10:09
didrocksogra_: isn't reduce the image size one of your goal? Seems jenkins was good at it :)10:09
popeyinfinte compression!10:10
ogra_popey, cdimage automatically pulls from the LastGoodBuild dir from jenkins ... jenkins decides if a build is considered good10:10
popeyis someone looking into this?10:10
ogra_err lastSuccsessfulBuild that is10:10
ogra_who could ?10:10
ogra_i only know sergiusens  has full access10:11
ogra_ubuntu/platform-api/android/hybris/../..//include/ubuntu/ui/ubuntu_ui_session_service.h:22:30: fatal error: ubuntu/ui/config.h: No such file or directory10:12
ogra_compilation terminated.10:12
ogra_i dont get why it didnt actually stop though10:12
mptmardy, looks fine to me.10:15
mardympt: on the design side, you might want to think what happens if the applications need to provide some extra settings for the user (in the desktop, you can now find an "Options" button next to Empathy)10:20
mptmardy, that should be in the application UI. Putting app-specific options inside Online Accounts just makes them harder to find.10:25
mpt(In that Empathy Options panel it says "Go online to edit your personal information". But I am online already, and there's no hint what "personal information" it's talking about.)10:26
ogra_popey, aha, seems to be commit  48 in platform-api .thats at fault10:34
P3T3rsalveti, sergiusens : Hi, can you check changes between compilations of builds again? I have another date where I have a bug10:35
nik90ogra_: do you know the name of the qtwebkit package?10:37
ogra_smells like mterry added #include "ubuntu/ui/config.h" to the code but forgot a bzr add or so10:37
ogra_since the file isnt there actually10:37
ogra_nik90, sorry, no10:37
nik90ogra_: np10:38
guschtsdgeos: where does HUD get the app icon from?10:38
ogra_aha https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/platform-api/gles/+merge/158128 is the issue ... config.h.in doesnt seem to be processed10:41
ogra_and no mterry :(10:42
AskerHello everyone. Sorry my bad English. Can I install IDEs like PyCharm on Ubuntu Touch (when it would be released)?10:44
tsdgeosgusch: don't remember anymore :D10:46
tsdgeospete-woods: do you remember where the hud-service gets the icon from?10:46
tsdgeosdesktop file?10:46
tsdgeosor the hint in the Hud thing?10:46
tsdgeosWellark: ↑↑ ?10:46
pete-woodstsdgeos: I thought it was the desktop file10:47
pete-woodstsdgeos: I think it grabs a load of random information from there10:48
guschtsdgeos: maybe the previous icon is not installed anymore, as now gallery installs it (them) on its own10:48
tsdgeosgusch: which path?10:49
tsdgeosgusch: we are using giconloader to find it10:49
tsdgeosmaybe that's the problem?10:49
guschtsdgeos: gicon can find it (tested it, and the shell app lens uses it)10:49
P3T3ogra_, Hi, can you check changes between builds?10:51
guschtsdgeos: hmmmm - looks like the gallery on the current images does not install the icons10:52
tsdgeosgusch: that may explain it10:52
guschtsdgeos: with the next image, this should work then (released yesterday)10:53
Wellarkgusch, tsdgeos: yes, the icon comes from the desktop-file10:57
tvossogra_, I'm here now10:57
ogra_ah, good10:58
ogra_so we dont need to spam mir10:58
ogra_the android build chockes on :10:58
ogra_In file included from ubuntu/platform-api/android/hybris/../default/default_ubuntu_ui.cpp:19:0:10:58
ogra_ubuntu/platform-api/android/hybris/../..//include/ubuntu/ui/ubuntu_ui_session_service.h:22:30: fatal error: ubuntu/ui/config.h: No such file or directory10:58
ogra_compilation terminated.10:58
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tvossogra_, okay, got it: can you adjust your MP such that include/CMakeLists.txt has a line reading: include_directories(${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR})11:02
tvossogra_, no need to write CONFIGURE_FILE then :)11:02
ogra_not at all or just no need to capitalize ?11:02
ogra_tvoss, ^^^11:04
tvossjust no need to capitalize :)11:04
P3T3can anybody check what changed in compilation of daily builds between March 3rd and March 6th?11:07
tsdgeosphablet-flash is failing on me11:08
tsdgeoshttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/quantal-preinstalled-armel+mako.zip seems not to be there11:09
ogra_tvoss, done11:09
tvossogra_, ack11:09
P3T3tsdgeos, today's build has some problems, so only manually install from previous builds11:10
tsdgeosP3T3: it'd be cool if the script that copies thigns around was smart enough not to break phablet-flash if the build fails11:11
ogra_tsdgeos, yeah, its broken ... waiting for the fix above and for sergiusens to trigger a new buuild then11:11
P3T3tsdgeos, sure ;-)11:12
ogra_seems the jenkins check for broken builds doesnt work right, that shouldnt have been marked as successful build11:12
tsdgeosogra_: i see11:13
tsdgeoswant me to file a bug somewhere?11:13
ogra_tsdgeos, the script only picks what jenkins considers successful11:13
ogra_no, i'll talk to sergiusens , i guess he needs to check his scripts11:13
ogra_no need for a bug, wont be forgotten :)11:14
tvossogra_, did you check locally that it builds?11:21
ogra_tvoss, nope, let me try to get libhybris -dev onto this chromebook11:23
tvossogra_, same problem here11:23
RobbyFwhats with the flash today?11:28
ogra_tvoss, building now11:30
tvossogra_, great, thank you11:30
ogra_ogra@chromebook:~/branches/platform-api$ dpkg -c ../libplatform-api-headers_0.18.1daily13.04.12ubuntu.unity.next-0ubuntu1_armhf.deb|grep config.h11:31
ogra_-rw-r--r-- root/root       826 2013-04-12 13:29 ./usr/include/ubuntu/ui/config.h11:31
ogra_its there11:31
ogra_but i'm not so sure that the android build actually generates it then ... i cant see cmake being called in the log11:31
ogra_(in the android build log)11:31
demisthello guys. does anybody know anything about porting ubuntu touch to htc sensation xe?11:35
tvossogra_, argh, getting it now ... is ubuntu/ui/config.h conditionally included or always expected?11:35
ogra_well, the merge from mterry seems to make it always required11:35
ogra_but to get the gles stuff into config.h it needs to be generated11:36
tvossogra_, then we need to teach the android build system to generate that header, too11:37
ogra_right, but thats for rsalveti/serguiens ...11:37
ogra_lets see that we get the fix in first11:37
ogra_i rolled cdimage back to yesterdays image for now11:39
ogra_for everyone who has issues with phablet-flash, it should work again11:39
ogra_tsdgeos, RobbyF ^^^11:40
ogra_jppiiroi1en, ^^11:40
tvossogra_, thanks, pinged sergiusens11:40
ogra_yep, i did that here already11:40
ogra_(no need to do it in pprivate :) )11:40
tvossogra_, old habits :)11:41
RobbyFworking :)11:45
RobbyFwait. no new image11:46
RobbyFfigured the raring would go11:46
* RobbyF off to work11:46
ogra_no, the new image is the one thats broken, i just removed it for now until someone can lookk into it11:46
ogra_phablet-flash just gets you yesterdays atm11:47
jppiiroi1enogra_: thanks12:06
ogra_pmcgowan, FYI, we had a little jenkins issue today that resulted in it publishing a broken image (only rootfs, no android builds) i rolled back cdimage and disabled the syncing until thats fixed12:06
pmcgowanogra_: ack, thanks12:07
ogra_waiting for brazil to get up :)12:07
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ogra_sergiusens, hey12:16
sergiusensogra_: hey... let me check12:16
ogra_sergiusens, seems the android builds all failed but jenkins still published12:16
ogra_we added a fix to platform-api ... but the missing config.h is generated by cmake ... do we run that during the build ?12:17
ogra_(i rolled back cdimage to the last working image)12:17
sergiusensogra_: no...12:17
ogra_hmmm, that might be a prob12:17
sergiusensogra_: if it's not in an Android.mk, it won't build12:18
ogra_tvoss, any idea ? ^^12:18
sergiusensogra_: you'll need to replicate that rule that generates the file into the Android.mk for platform-api12:18
ogra_sergiusens, well, the more important issue is that jenkins considered it a good build12:19
tvosssergiusens, it's a cmake rule. I have no idea how to run that configure in Android.mk12:19
ogra_even though tehre was nothing built12:19
sergiusensogra_: also, if all these are 0 build probably failed:
sergiusensogra_: compare that to the previous one:
ogra_sergiusens, ok ... i dont get why it lands in lastSuccessfulBuild though12:22
sergiusensogra_: that said, I'll still fix the script12:22
sergiusensogra_: script needs fixing...12:23
sergiusensogra_: just thought I'd mention that there's an easy way to check the test results in the meantime :-)12:23
ogra_heh, if you did, i didnt see it ... you said you would look into it12:24
ogra_thats my last status12:24
sergiusensogra_: no, I didn't... was doing that now ;-)12:26
ogra_phew :)12:26
sergiusenstvoss: regarding Android.mk and the config.h, I can look at it12:29
ogra_sergiusens, so what level of fuzziness do you want ? something like "if totalCount - failCount > 10" we'll publish  ?12:29
sergiusensogra_: well for now, if totalCount == 012:30
ogra_or should we wait until at aleas all tests succeeded once12:30
ogra_ah, k12:30
sergiusensogra_: I'll be fixing the tests today and we can switch it next week12:30
ogra_so publish if any tests ran ...12:30
sergiusensogra_: script is fixed too, so it _should_ abort on any errors12:30
ogra_if you fire off a new build (and it uscceeds) i can switch the auto sync back on12:31
sergiusensogra_: let me fire up a build, if nothing changed, it should fail12:31
sergiusensogra_: while that runs, I'll be fixing the platform-api12:32
ogra_well, platform-api changed ... but if the file isnt generated it will indeed still fail12:32
ogra_building the package does the right thing here12:32
sergiusensogra_: because it calls cmake :-)12:32
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P3T3sergiusens, can you do something to me?12:43
sergiusensP3T3: what exactly? I'm fixing the build right now12:44
ogra_ok, check for tests is added to the sync script12:44
ogra_autosyncing switched back on12:44
sergiusensogra_: and the build also failed ;-)12:45
ogra_as expected :)12:45
sergiusensogra_: but it didn't fail for some reason.... hmmm12:45
ogra_oh, you measn it landed in lastSuccessfulBuild again ?12:46
ogra_sigh, if the VPN wouldnt be so slow12:46
sergiusensogra_: yeah, the build failed, and exited but jenkins marked as success...12:47
sergiusensogra_: ok, found the issue... fixed12:48
* sergiusens thinks it's too early for this12:48
ogra_well, at least i dont get the wrong stuff from jenkins :)12:49
ogra_i understand that adding cmake might not be easy12:49
sergiusensogra_: well, depends on how it's generated... most likely I'll need to replicate12:51
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P3T3sergiusens,  I need diffs between builds March 3rd to March 6th12:54
LUZifer_hello! Can you tell me if new Ubuntu 13.04 works in my tablet Memup SlidePadNG808DC, Dual Core 1,5GHz and 1GB RAM12:55
ogra_LUZifer_, no x86 support yet12:56
janimorsalveti, does the contained Ubuntu see the same device nodes in /dev as Android?12:57
ogra_i think it is bind mounted12:57
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janimorsalveti, I say the dev/alog renaming to avoid the syslogd conflict12:57
ogra_but you dont have udev12:57
ogra_LUZifer_,oops, ignore that i see it isnt x86 ...  if the device is not on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices you will need to port it yourself https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting12:58
LUZifer_ok, the sistem in my tablet is Android 4.1.1, will it be possible to upgrade to Ubuntu, in the future?12:59
ogra_not if nobody portss it to that device12:59
Namidairoand what tablet is that...13:01
Namidairooh right13:01
rsalvetihttp://ubuntuonair.com/ -> Ubuntu Development: Presentation about the work on image-based updates for Ubuntu touch13:01
rsalvetistarting just now13:01
ogra_Namidairo, google tells you :)13:01
rsalvetiat #ubuntu-on-air13:01
Namidairothe slidepadmemupgenericshenanigan13:01
Namidairoway to mute yourself13:02
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rsalvetiRobbyF: utc-3 :-)13:05
rsalvetijanimo: yeah, it's bind mounted still13:12
rsalvetithat's why we needed the dev/log rename at the android side13:12
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P3T3rsalveti, HI, can you check what changed between builds March 3rd and March 6th13:15
rsalvetiP3T3: sure13:15
LUZifer_I understood that Ubuntu for a specific tablet will only exist if someone creates it especially for the device, is it?13:15
Namidairostill no gerrit instance?13:16
Namidairoremember to do certificate pinning13:16
rsalvetiP3T3: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5701391/13:17
rsalvetithat's the only changes between 3dr and 6th13:18
Namidairostill no gerrit instance?13:18
rsalvetiNamidairo: not yet13:18
rsalvetihopefully soon13:18
P3T3rsalveti, thanks! I have working image #10 from Mar 3d and non working #13 from Mar 6th13:21
rsalvetiP3T3: right, it'd probably work if you match hybris and platform-api at the android side (based on the versions used by ubuntu)13:23
janimoQUESTION: Is there an overview or comparison of various OEMs, carriers and Google's way of delivering system image updates? Besides update.zip (which is not universally used either) is everyone doing their own server-side and phone-side setup?13:24
P3T3rsalveti, this is odd, my hybris and api are newest I can have but still no luck13:24
SunightWho test Ubuntu touch on TF101 ?13:24
rsalvetijanimo: maybe for #ubuntu-on-air? :-)13:25
janimorsalveti, oh, indeed :)13:25
janimo4 channels open and I am already confused, thanks :)13:25
* Namidairo looks at his hexchat side panel13:26
Namidairo18 channels across 6 networks13:27
sergiusenstvoss: rsalveti https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/platform-api/config_h/+merge/15861313:30
sergiusensogra_: build is now properly failing as it should13:30
P3T3rsalveti, will bzr pull sync all needed files? I am looking inside ubuntu dirs and I can see all dates are Feb 28th13:31
sergiusensP3T3: bzr pull will pull as long as there are no conflicts13:31
sergiusenswill pull cleanly that is13:32
ogra_sergiusens, funny whitespace change :)13:32
sergiusensogra_: in the MR? dang13:32
ogra_(looks good to me)13:32
ogra_line 6 ...13:32
ogra_ignore it13:32
sergiusensogra_: going to remove it13:32
sergiusensogra_: easy to remove, I'll just do it13:33
ogra_yeah, as you like13:34
sergiusensogra_: done13:34
P3T3sergiusens, bzr pull in directory ubuntu/hybris says  No revisions or tags to pull. but all files have date Feb 28th13:34
sergiusensogra_: I set USE_GLES to one even though debian/rules only set it for armhf and this is armel :-)13:35
sergiusensP3T3: do bzr pull lp:phablet-extras/libhybris13:35
sergiusensP3T3: what does bzr revno say?13:35
ogra_sergiusens, shouldnt matter i guess13:37
ogra_we want GLES enabled in any case13:38
P3T3sergiusens, still same :-( = No revisions or tags to pull.13:38
ogra_in these builds at least13:38
sergiusensP3T3: what revno are you on?13:38
sergiusensogra_: yeah, I was just trolling :-D13:38
* ogra_ forgot it is friday 13:38
P3T3sergiusens, 123 in hybris and 49 in api13:39
janimoQUESTION: Can't we just use whatever carriers already use for Android ROMs without having them make something compatible with whatever our implementation for the UBuntu servers is?13:39
sergiusensP3T3: you have the right versions..13:39
P3T3I know13:39
P3T3but all files are old13:40
* janimo keeps seeing at least some of the scenarios as an Android ROM update + an app update13:40
ogra_janimo, we'll see ... you could ask in the right channel though :)13:40
sergiusensP3T3: and you can check them in http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/quantal-ubuntu_stamp13:40
janimoogra_, may I suck. I'll close this tab13:40
ogra_dont leave us !13:40
sergiusensogra_: janimo where and what is going on?13:40
P3T3sergiusens, I know about version numbers in stamp13:41
ogra_sergiusens, #ubuntu-on-air13:41
ogra_sergiusens, image updates13:41
janimosergiusens, discussion about OTA updates13:41
sergiusensjanimo: interesting! I should join13:41
ogra_you should also watch the stream :)13:42
sergiusensogra_: on it now13:45
sergiusensogra_: using my phone as I can't from the chrome book :-/13:46
ogra_heh, same here13:46
ogra_which is funny, i usually never have issues with youtube13:47
sergiusensit feels better though, I can toss the phone to a side and keep on using this _book_ :-)13:48
P3T3sergiusens, i deleted whole dir hybris, then initialised and pulled again. Now I have it back with revno 12313:50
P3T3sergiusens, which command to pull api dir?13:51
sergiusensP3T3: bzr branch lp:platform-api13:51
mhall119popey: I submitted packaging fixes to all the core apps yesterday, and better icons for clock, calculator, calendar, weather, facebook and youtube13:57
mhall119clock has already merged it, and their new package built13:57
mhall119looks like rssreader has merged the changes too13:58
popeymhall119: awesome13:59
mhall119I'm hoping the new clock icon gets into the next touch image13:59
mhall119popey: if you could encourage the others to land these branches, we will be ready to start on the project renaming14:00
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rsalvetihm, the other nick is already grouped14:06
ogra_rsalveti, can you approve sergiusens'  fix in https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/platform-api/config_h/+merge/158613 so we can get a workign image ?14:08
rsalvetisure, lemmelook14:08
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rsalvetiogra_: sergiusens: tested and approved14:19
rsalvetionce merged we can trigger a new job14:19
sergiusensrsalveti: great14:20
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junhey how is dev going14:26
* jun wants touch on nexus 414:26
ogra_your wish can be fulfilled14:27
ogra_there are images14:27
juni tried the images but its not really usable now14:28
ogra_they will be in october14:29
ogra_there is still a lot to do14:29
junah october... thats still a long time away14:29
juni noticed hehe14:29
ogra_depends how you look at it :)14:29
ogra_i would say time is short :)14:30
junto build an os from scratch its quick14:30
ogra_being a developer having to do it its short :)14:30
junfor impatient enthusiasts its long14:30
ogra_but its all open, you are free to help out indeed ;)14:31
juni wish i was gifted enougj14:31
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TheGorgotronIm pretty proficient at some "hello world" in java and c++, what are my chances of getting the source and actually doing some good? :)14:36
mhall119TheGorgotron: source of what?14:37
ogra_https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-touch-preview has all the userspace trees ... pahblet.ubuntu.com has the android layer14:37
TheGorgotronSource code. I was joking.14:38
ogra_what you dont find there is from the normal ubuntu archive14:38
mhall119QML is so easy, you might actually be able to do some good with just "Hello World" level knowledge14:38
TheGorgotronI've only taken two intro so far but ild like to get better. Gone as far as multi dimensional arrays.14:40
TheGorgotronSo we will be able to dock our tablet/phones and use a full OS right?14:42
ogra_not yet, but yeah, you will14:42
ogra_thats rather a 14.04 feature14:42
ogra_basic phone is 13.10 ... full convergence is 14.0414:43
TheGorgotronAwesome. So the mobile OS will recognize when docked and boot to separate partiton? Will we be able to have whatever distro we want then as well?14:43
ogra_not boot ... it will just show a desktop on the attached monitor14:44
ogra_and you will likely only get ubuntu for the start ... if others port their desktops to Mir they will be able to participate though14:45
TheGorgotronSo its still all within the mobile OS then?  Ubuntu is all i use anyways :) just curious14:45
ogra_it will be the same OS  ...14:46
ogra_if the convergence is done there wont be a "mobile OS"14:46
TheGorgotronOh ok. Is the info on all that up on the wiki as well, i would really like to read up on how that's going to work.14:48
ogra_we're still defining how it will work :)14:48
ogra_but essentially the plan is that the same OS works across every device you install it on ...14:49
TheGorgotronIm super stoked! I really think this will be a game changer for mobile devices and computing in general.14:49
ogra_in some cases (small phones that have limited resources) you will see a cut down version ... in others (full desktop) you will not have the mobile UI working14:50
ogra_but effectively it will be all the same software and tools across all devices ... adapting automatically to the context they run in14:50
TheGorgotronIm hoping they make some pretty high-end phones for it14:52
TheGorgotronogra_: so i take it you are a part of the development team?14:55
smartboyhwTheGorgotron, you do know that he work's for Canonical for that?:)14:55
ogra_TheGorgotron, yep14:56
ogra_smartboyhw, i dont work for canonical "for that" :)  i jumped teams as needed over the last 8 years14:56
TheGorgotronI kind of figured14:56
smartboyhwogra_, :O14:56
smartboyhwogra_, so what do you work *NOW*?"{14:56
ogra_currently in teh foundations team, soon phablet/ubuntu-touch14:57
smartboyhwogra_, ah so you are going to work on it soon:P14:58
ogra_i already work on it ...  just not  formally in the team14:59
ogra_just paperwork :)14:59
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smartboyhwogra_, :O15:02
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TheGorgotronSince Cyanogenmod is the base for the Android side, will there be a release for other Android phones aside form Nexus?  I saw the portathon on the site but figured I'ld ask here.15:36
ogra_TheGorgotron, they are all community supported, but yeah there are about 50 ports15:42
TheGorgotronogra_, is there a list somwhere. Looked on ubuntu and wiki site and couldn't find anything15:46
TheGorgotrongoogled too15:46
TheGorgotronsorry i didn't see it there when i looked. thanks15:49
TheGorgotronof course no s3! By the time this is out my contract will be up anyways15:50
mptJust completed draft design for phone "Diagnostics" settings: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker#settings15:53
TheGorgotronmpt, looks like the final version to me15:55
mptTheGorgotron, how do you know? :-)15:55
mptI'm fairly sure I'll need to add a "Privacy Policy" item, at least15:56
TheGorgotronmpt, because of the badass GUI :)15:57
mptAww, thanks15:57
TheGorgotronseriously though what did you use to create that?15:58
mhall119tedg: do HUD action from QML work on the touch images?16:05
mhall119I'm trying to add one for uReadIt, but it doesn't seem to get the callback16:05
tedgmhall119, Hmm, I'd expect it to.16:08
tedgmhall119, Are the gallery ones working for you?16:08
tedgWellark, ^16:08
mhall119tedg: gallery ones work16:08
mhall119which is why I was wondering if it's a QML-only problem16:09
tedgmhall119, Gallery is QML :-)16:09
mhall119tedg: then maybe you can tell if I'm doing something wrong:http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mhall119/+junk/uReadIt/view/head:/uReadIt.qml#L2116:10
mhall119obviously it's uncommented on the device16:10
mhall119I even put a console.log('HUD reload') at the top of the onTriggered16:10
tedgReally Wellark is the guy you want there.16:11
tedgThe only thing I see is odd is that the keywords are more like a description.16:11
tedgBut I don't think that'd break anything.16:11
tedgKeywords should be more my synonyms.  Refresh16:12
tedgIt's other things that'll results in hits in the search.16:12
tedgPerhaps gusch would notice something wrong with that QML? ^16:13
tedgmhall119, You're not allowed to have QML questions this late European time  ;-)16:14
guschmhall119: can you see the reload on the HUD?16:24
mhall119gusch: it shows up, yes16:24
mhall119just doesn't reload when I click it16:24
guschmhall119: could you see the console log that you mentioned?16:25
Wellarktedg, mhall119, gusch: hi guys16:26
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Wellarkmhall119: so you see the action in HUD and it does nothing.. weird..16:27
Wellarkmhall119: just to be safe, can you put a console.log() on the onTriggered handler to see that it really does not get called16:27
mhall119http://design.canonical.com/2013/04/core-utility-apps-visual-exploration/ all about visual design for Ubuntu Touch apps!16:29
mhall119Wellark: I have that, it doesn't output anything when I launch the app from the command line16:29
mhall119but I'm not sure if launcing from the commandline with qmlscene is enough to make HUD aware of it16:30
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mhall119gusch: I don't see any output from the console.log I added, no16:30
guschmhall119: what if you add --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/ureddit.desktop as parameter to qmlscene?16:31
mhall119let me try16:32
mhall119http://ubuntuone.com/3fCdyxWybJg99YDNKArIAb is a screenshot showing the HUD entry16:32
mhall119gusch: still nothing16:33
mhall119gusch: I do see "adding actions" being printed, is that from HUD?16:33
guschmhall119: yes16:34
mhall119gusch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5701943/ is all the output I get16:34
guschmhall119: in gallery I get "ACTION ADDED" for every acion16:36
mhall119gusch: I only have one action16:36
mhall119but I get "adding actions" not "ACTION ADDED"16:36
guschmhall119: output from gallery: https://pastebin.canonical.com/89092/16:37
Wellarkmhall119: looks like you are creating two HUD instances16:37
Wellarkwhich does not make sense by looking at your code16:38
mhall119Wellark: why would it be creating 2?16:38
Wellarkmhall119: yeah, that's what I'm wondering, too16:38
wathekHi everybody16:40
JesseHHow do I test this on my desktop?16:41
mhall119JesseH: test the Touch interface, or an app?16:42
JesseHtouch interface16:42
guschmhall119: sorry - need to go now - good luck16:42
mhall119thanks for trying gusch16:42
rtg_ogra_, ppisati tells me that the android flash method in flash-kernel doesn't actually work (at least for N4 and N7).16:44
ogra_oh, that could be since android has these weird device paths for disks16:45
rtg_does it work for the Toshiba AC100 / Dynabook AZ ? (which is the only other android method)16:45
ogra_it also works on the n7 desktop image16:45
rtg_ppisati, ^^16:45
ogra_but the android kernel doesnt give you a /dev/mmcblk*16:45
ogra_which breaks the device setups in f-k16:46
Wellarkmhall119: ok, never seen this before, but for some reason the constructor of QML HUD component gets called twice16:46
rtg_ogra_, I changed the path to /dev/block/mmcblk0p, but it finds the recovery partition instead of the boot partition16:46
ogra_(it kind of expects linux device names)16:46
Wellarkwhich can only mean that there are two instances created16:46
ogra_rtg_, hmm, it shouldnt16:47
Wellarkmhall119: can you paste me the _exact_ source file you are running16:47
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ogra_rtg_, file a bug, i'll look into it on the weekend (or monday if i dont get to it)16:47
rtg_ogra_, its because the loop doesn't break when it finds the first boot partion.16:48
ogra_well, it should break for the biggest one ... but i figure recovery might be bigger than boot16:48
ogra_though i dont get why recovery would have an abootimg signature16:49
ogra_it should be ignored16:49
rtg_ogra_, since we _know_ what partiton it shold be in (because db/all.db tells us), why is there a search loop at all ?16:49
ogra_thats older than the db ... since it worked, nobody changed the code16:50
ogra_(i guess)16:50
nik90popey, mhall119: ping16:52
popeynik90: yo16:52
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nik90popey: u should check out the latest trunk build...we got something awesome for the stopwatch :)16:52
Wellarkmhall119: btw, check that you don't have the app running in the background somewhere16:52
popeynik90: ooh!16:52
Wellarkmhall119: running from commandline is a bit fragile16:52
mhall119Wellark: I don't16:53
Wellarkmhall119: does qmlscene keep on running on the terminal?16:54
popeynik90: nice!16:54
Wellarkmhall119: before it just exited16:54
nik90popey: I think when combined with the visual designs released today...they look great16:54
popeylove the lap effect16:55
mhall119nik90: looks nice16:55
nik90mhall119, popey: thnx16:55
Wellarkmaybe something has changed with the qmlscene or something16:55
mhall119Wellark: ps doesn't show qmlscene running16:55
rtg_ogra_, are you _sure_ the N7 flash-kernel works ? I think the patch in db.all is wrong. it is '/dev/mmcblk0' when it should be '/dev/block/mmcblk0boot0'16:55
rtg_patch -> path16:55
pstolowskihello, I've just started with ubuntu on the galaxy nexus phone; what's the best way of compiling qt5 apps for the phone? I can ssh onto my phone, so could install all the -dev deps and compile there, but perhaps it can be done by cross compiling or by some other means on the desktop (and then just transfer the binary)?16:56
ogra_rtg_, it worked when i tested last ... we disable all android stuff in the linux-nexus7 kernel16:56
ogra_for exatly that reason (and a few others that completely trash our userspace)16:57
ogra_rtg_, linux-nexus7 uses an ubuntu config (or did that change ? that would mean no more network, xserver and disk access for n7 desktop users)16:58
rtg_ogra_, I'm not yet running the Ubuntu N7 kernel, I'm still looking at the original android kernel and am trying to figure out how to get flash-kernel to work.16:59
Wellarkmhall119: just to verify my hypothesis16:59
ogra_rtg_, well, apart from the path it sholdnt differ in function17:00
Wellarkmhall119: could you add a Component.onCompleted handler to the top MainView ?17:00
ogra_if it does there is definitely soemthign wrong17:00
Wellarkmhall119: and put there something like console.log("MainView Loaded")17:00
Wellarkmhall119: I really need to see if it's loaded twice. I know the qt platform plugin does some black magic under the hood17:01
pstolowskiSaviq: ping17:02
ogra_sergiusens, hmm, did you disable the image tests again ?17:05
mhall119Wellark: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5702063/ line 1617:06
ogra_sergiusens, with teeh new checks i cant sync now ... i'll disable the check for the tests over the weekend, lets revisit that on monday17:07
t1mpmhall119, Wellark so, 1 mainview, 2 huds?17:07
Wellarkmhall119: ok. so mainview loads just once..17:07
Wellarkmhall119: can you move the onCompleted handler to the HUD object?17:08
mhall119t1mp: somehow...17:08
sergiusensogra_: no, I didn't, the tests actually failed...17:08
ogra_they dont seem to have run at all17:08
Wellarkt1mp: oh, right.. are you guys doing something funny for the children of MainView by any chance? ;)17:08
sergiusensogra_: yeah, because the deploy failed, let me check17:08
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ogra_the rest looks fine17:09
mhall119Wellark: also only called once17:09
sergiusensogra_: I just triggered a test rebuild17:09
ogra_sergiusens, so should i block the sync ?17:10
ogra_(would run at :35 )17:10
Wellarkmhall119: ok. even weirder17:10
mhall119that's me :)17:10
Wellarkmhall119: just to confirm. libhud-qt-qml version is 0.1.0~dev9 ?17:10
t1mpWellark: ehh, no funny stuff in MainView. It does set a default property to a simple Item that is inside the MainView, so children get placed inside that17:11
t1mpmhall119, Wellark you could try to have Item as the root, and put the MainView and HUD in that, but it shouldn't be necessary17:12
sergiusensogra_: I'll give you a heads up....17:12
ogra_ok, i'll block then17:13
mhall119Wellark: 0.1.0~dev9~quantal117:13
mhall119Wellark: the full code it at https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/+junk/uReadIt if you want to try it yourself17:16
mhall119Wellark: you'll need to uncomment the HUD lines17:16
Wellarkmhall119: ok. unfortunately I can't test it today17:16
Wellarksorry :/17:16
sergiusensogra_: network seems to be down in the lab... or at least it's not connecting...17:20
Wellarkmhall119: have you tried rebooting? 8)17:21
ogra_lets keep the test parts out then i'd say17:21
mhall119Wellark: yup17:21
sergiusensogra_: let me do some digging... a bit to see if it's really that17:21
Wellarkok. that's like super weird17:21
mhall119Wellark: it's like everything works, but onTriggered isn't being called17:21
sergiusensogra_: I'm downloading the image to verify17:21
Wellarkmhall119: and all the "stock" apps with HUD are working?17:21
mhall119Wellark: has this been tested with any other QML-only apps launched by qmlscene?17:22
mhall119Wellark: I tried gallery, it works17:22
rickspencer3hey mhall119 I saw you mention somewhere that you can get a back button for free with a page stack17:22
t1mpmhall119, Wellark I noticed gallery puts the HUD outside of the MainView17:22
mhall119phone-app's HUD items work too17:22
rickspencer3how does that work?17:22
rickspencer3oops, sorry to interupt17:22
mhall119rickspencer3: yup17:22
t1mpnot because of a bug I think, but because of its complicated start-up sequence17:22
Wellarkmhall119: well, I haven't heard any reports on such behaviour before :)17:23
mhall119rickspencer3: the Toolbar has a placeholder for 'back', and when PageStack gets a second (or more) page pushed to it, it set's the 'back' toolbar action and makes it visible17:23
mhall119rickspencer3: so all you need to do is use PageStack.push() to change pages17:23
mhall119pretty slick, really17:24
rickspencer3mhall119, do you have a code sample?17:24
mhall119rickspencer3: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mhall119/+junk/uReadIt/view/head:/uReadIt.qml#L72 is where I push the articleView page on top of the subreddit page17:25
t1mprickspencer3: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/qml-ubuntu-components0-pagestack.html :)17:25
t1mprickspencer3: the online docs were updated yesterday or today17:25
mhall119that changes the UI to the articleView, and set's the articleView's Page toolbar back button to go to the subreddit page17:25
lotuspsychjeany tablets with ubuntu touch default sold yet?17:26
mhall119lotuspsychje: no17:26
mhall119lotuspsychje: ubuntu touch is still being developed17:26
lotuspsychjeis nexus 7 working flawless with it?17:26
mhall119but it's working pretty well17:26
mhall119I used it every day now17:27
rickspencer3mhall119, so, it starts out iwth a Page visible in the pagestack17:28
lotuspsychje_ill play a little on my 64bit ubuntu netbook then17:28
rickspencer3and then just pushing your articleView makes the back button appear in the toolbar?17:28
mhall119rickspencer3: yup17:29
rickspencer3mhall119, hmm, not doing that for me17:30
mhall119I set the first page using Component.onCompleted on the PageStack, then subsequent push'es do the rest17:30
rickspencer3I see17:31
t1mprickspencer3: should work if you have >1 Page on the stack.17:31
rickspencer3I need to explicitly push the first page on the stack?17:31
mhall119that's what I'm doing17:31
Wellarkmhall119: can you try to move the HUD out from the MainView?17:31
mhall119Wellark: into what?17:32
Wellarkmhall119: you would need to create a toplevel Item where you insert the HUD and the MainView siblings and have the mainview17:32
t1mprickspencer3, mhall119 yes you need to explicitly push the first page.17:33
rickspencer3ok, that's got it17:33
mhall119Wellark: oh, move it up and outside of MainView all together?17:33
rickspencer3t1mp, mhall119 I had assumed that when I did PageStack{Page{}}17:34
rickspencer3the page was declared as pushed onto the PageStack17:34
mhall119no, but that would make sense wouldn't it?17:34
t1mprickspencer3: no automatic pushing. If you do it like that, and Page.visible is not set to false, you will still see it but it is not on the stack17:34
t1mpthere is a related feature request https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/109772617:35
ubot5Error: launchpad bug 1097726 not found17:35
t1mpI'm not sure what is the best solution. Automatically push the first child of PageStack if it is a Page?17:36
mhall119push the first visible child Page, would be my expectation17:36
t1mphmm. I'm thinking that we may have had something similar, and it was removed. Or maybe I just planned it but never implemented it17:37
t1mpnope, it was never there.17:40
mhall119rickspencer3: ^^ is that what you expected as well?17:42
t1mpI'm revisiting the whole PageStack API we had before implementing it - https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1GoSDDd3nd6AZgOBYgtNVYJaejH1YqZ5h7DM62SoerRA/edit#17:46
t1mpI think it is good to automatically push the first visible Page, and automatically make all following Page children of PageStack not visible17:47
ogra_sergiusens, the sync looks ok (even though it pulled #70 first but it properly overwrote it) , the raring manifest file is empty though18:00
rsalvetiogra_: guess that's expected still18:01
rsalvetilet me download it18:01
sergiusensogra_: yeah, that's been like that for a while18:01
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sergiusensrsalveti: the resolv.conf hook didn't work (not that it would've been in this build, but still)18:05
rsalvetisergiusens: didn't you fix it yesterday?18:06
rsalvetior still to be fixed?18:06
ogra_did you talk to stgraber ?18:06
ogra_(he owns the resolvconf stuff)18:07
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sergiusensogra_: it's not a resolvconf issue... it's live-build and offspring18:08
sergiusensrsalveti: never said I fixed yesterday :-/18:08
sergiusensrsalveti: I mentioned in today's daily that I was testing some stuff out until the proper fix lands18:08
ogra_sergiusens, ah, k ... evil :P18:09
rsalvetisergiusens: right, got confused somehow18:09
rsalvetisergiusens: and what is the current state of that?18:09
rsalvetiogra_: yeah, ancient live-build at ibs18:09
sergiusensrsalveti: well, using a hook to create the symlink, just gets overwritten afterwards18:09
rsalvetisergiusens: :-(18:10
sergiusensrsalveti: going to see if I can get it in the edifier script18:10
rsalvetisergiusens: right, might be easier indeed18:10
rickspencer3mhall119, sorry18:14
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rickspencer3I badly misunderstood how to use pagestack18:15
rickspencer3knowing what I know now, I think I would expect that the PageStack would have a property that is the initial Page on the stack18:16
rickspencer3I guess I would expect that you would declare the initial page, not set it in code, if that makes sense18:17
sergiusensrsalveti: testing now... if it works... then we can at least not deal with it now18:19
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rsalvetisergiusens: yeah18:20
rsalvetithat should work18:20
sergiusensrsalveti: I always forget the ln syntax though, and the help just confuses me... my brain maps TARGET and LINK to the same thing... always!18:22
t1mprickspencer3, mhall119 what do you think is better? an initialPage property, or automatically pushing the first child?18:23
* rickspencer3 ponders18:23
rsalvetisergiusens: haha, true18:23
rickspencer3t1mp, if you made me decide right now, I would go with both18:24
rickspencer3use the first child (that is a page) by default18:24
rickspencer3but let the developer define initialPage to override that18:24
rickspencer3not sure of the pros and cons, that's just my first thought18:24
mhall119same, do the magic but allow an override18:25
rickspencer3total cowboy API design18:25
rickspencer3pew pew18:25
Wellarkmhall119: yeah, moving it completely out of MainView. most of the stock apps didn't use MainView when I did the HUD integration and that is the only difference I can think of. It *should* work just fine under any Item, but the behaviour you are seeing is just so bizarre18:26
mhall119Wellark: that did it18:32
mhall119so why doesn't it work inside a MainView?18:33
mhall119and which project should I file this bug against?18:33
t1mprickspencer3: hehe. My first intuition is that both is a bit too much :)18:34
rickspencer3t1mp, then I would say it has to be initialPage18:34
sergiusensogra_: rsalveti do we want to make the switch to raring a coordinated thing?18:34
t1mpmhall119: huh that is weirrrd. I didn't do anything "special" in MainView18:34
rickspencer3because you want the developer to be able to set that dynamically18:34
ogra_sergiusens, i prefer chaotic :P18:34
ogra_sergiusens, (what do you mean by that)18:35
Wellarkmhall119, t1mp: maybe there is a copy happening or something18:35
t1mprickspencer3: there is always the push() alternative besides initialPage.18:35
sergiusensogra_: well, for starters I'd need to get rid of all the 'quantals' in the build18:35
Wellarkmhall119: please file agains libhud-qt18:35
sergiusensogra_: then update the tools18:35
rickspencer3t1mp, right, but I think you might want to bid it18:35
Wellarkjust that I don't forget to investigate this with the 1.018:35
ogra_sergiusens, i would start with the tools  and keep the images18:36
rickspencer3"bind" it18:36
sergiusensogra_: although I would prefer to not use either quantal or raring on the android parts and use a 'generic' tag18:36
rickspencer3initialPage: lastUsedPage18:36
ogra_sergiusens, and if you know the tools (and new images) are safe, drop the old ones18:36
rickspencer3just seems more declarative to me18:36
mhall119Wellark: ok, thanks for helping me debug this18:36
ogra_sergiusens, well, not sure i can do that on cdimage later18:36
rickspencer3t1mp, I'm hardly religious about it, was just saying18:36
sergiusensogra_: rsalveti doing it in  edify did the trick18:37
t1mpWellark: ohh wait a second18:37
Wellarkt1mp: it might be my code.. if the HUD object is copied by the QML engine when inserted to the list of childs of MainView or something I'm not 100% sure it does the right thing18:37
t1mpWellark: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/view/head:/modules/Ubuntu/Components/MainView.qml has some HUD-related code at the bottom18:37
rickspencer3mhall119, t1mp thanks you guys, my news reader app is much better now18:37
ogra_sergiusens, the stuff under daily-foo/ is usually marked with the release it is built for (even adding raring there atm i break that rule)18:37
sergiusensogra_: so we _are_ being chaotic :-)18:38
ogra_already, yeah :)18:38
t1mpWellark: it creates another HUD there?18:38
sergiusensogra_: ack... we'll stick to raring then18:38
ogra_anyway, i would start with switching phablet-flash18:38
Wellarkt1mp: ah, right.. it's the incomplete hud integration18:38
mhall119rickspencer3: what kind of news reader?18:39
WellarkI didn't know somebody actually merged that in18:39
mhall119rickspencer3: we can always use more contributors on the RSS Reader core app :)18:39
rickspencer3mhall119, it used feedzilla18:39
ogra_see if people complain .... if they dont, drop the quantal images18:39
Wellarkmhall119, t1mp: so yes, the MainView is creating a HUD instance18:39
ogra_for the android parts i can add links while syncing18:39
mhall119Wellark: oh?18:39
ogra_until you switch the names18:39
mhall119Wellark: so how can I add actions to it?18:39
t1mpWellark: yeah, almost one month ago. I wasn't aware of that.18:39
sergiusensogra_: and then from raring to slippery seal18:39
t1mpmhall119: mainview has a __hud property, but it doesn't seem like it is intended to be used like that.18:40
sergiusensogra_: well, I'd like to create a snapshot tag of quantal before switching so we have something to compare with18:40
ogra_oh, no prob ... i can just copy the last quantal build around then18:41
ogra_next to mwc18:41
ogra_thats a non issue18:41
sergiusensogra_: that will work... I already added a --list-revisions to the tools with some webscrapping ;-)18:41
ogra_so when do you think raring is ready enough ? are the UI issues all done ?18:42
t1mpWellark, mhall119 I think this hud code was added to MainView to have the possibility to quit apps that don't include any HUD code themselves18:43
sergiusensogra_: yeah... last pending one was people lens which was missing a dee-qt, everything works and I'd rather have us move soon18:43
t1mpwellar, mhall119 I don't know if it was supposed to be temporary, and whether there is another solution now18:43
sergiusensogra_: there's one important issue in raring, and it's that memory seems to run out faster18:44
ogra_sergiusens, so lets do it next week then ... mind you , next week is also final freeze in ubuntu so i might be busy with any upcoming emergency arm stuff that could happen18:45
pmcgowansergiusens: as discussed no regressions, when we leave quantal we need to bless a final build so it is available when needed18:45
ogra_(before i claim something wrong i should better check the schedule)18:46
sergiusenspmcgowan: yes, quantal blessing is good18:46
sergiusenspmcgowan: but the memory thing won't go away until it becomes the development focus18:46
ogra_yeah, 18th18:46
tassadar_ogra_: have you already decided what will you do about that memory usage? I mean, is it going to kill old apps like android or something like that?18:46
ogra_tassadar_, something :)18:47
ogra_no, i dont think we have a definite answer yet18:47
rsalvetisergiusens: send me the mr then :-)18:47
pmcgowanapps in background can be killed and state saved is the thinking18:47
ogra_sergiusens, how about monday then ?18:47
tassadar_k, thanks)18:47
rsalveti+1 on tagging quantal before switching to raring18:48
ogra_so i would say lets switch phablet-flash on monday ... i'll put in some links for the android bits to make them raring, then lets give people time to test the new stuff until tue ...18:49
ogra_then move quantal images next to mwc and do the actual switch18:49
t1mpWellark, mhall119 perhaps the HUD in MainView should be properly exposed so that developers use that one to add functions18:50
pmcgowanogra_: what do you mean move quantal images next to mwc?18:51
sergiusenspmcgowan: in the tags for quantal18:52
sergiusenspmcgowan: in http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/quantal/18:52
pmcgowanso we add a new tag for the blessed image and keep the mwc image?18:52
ogra_pmcgowan, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/quantal/ creating a "last-build" or "last-image" here18:52
ogra_next to mwc :)18:52
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mhall119t1mp: that would be ideal, yes18:58
t1mpmhall119 / Wellark do you have a reference for a bug somewhere that you were trying to fix?19:01
t1mpmhall119 / Wellark I'm re-opening this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1129966 perhaps you can comment on it?19:02
ubot5Launchpad bug 1129966 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "HUD integration to the MainView" [Critical,New]19:02
* t1mp eow19:03
mhall119thanks for your help t1mp19:07
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RobbyFcan i flash raring from phablet-flash?19:26
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pmcgowanRobbyF: yes, sergiusens where are your raring instructions?19:29
RobbyFpmcgowan, care to share that secret command?19:30
RobbyFI've been doing it manually. prefer to do it faster is possible.19:30
pmcgowanis that what you have been doing?19:30
sergiusensthat's what we have19:30
RobbyFI've just downloaded the .zip pushed and rebooted to recovery19:31
pmcgowanRobbyF: we are discussing moving over sometime soon19:31
pmcgowanso the default is raring19:31
sergiusensRobbyF: yeah that works too19:31
sergiusensonce the switch is official, the tools will do the right thing19:31
RobbyF:) sounds good.19:32
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RobbyFwow new raring feels really good19:38
sergiusensRobbyF: glad to hear19:42
RobbyFI was showing yesterdays latest quantal build to people at work today, They all love it. I work in mobile industry19:43
pmcgowanRobbyF: thats great to hear19:45
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mhall119is this new ubuntu-mobile icon theme available in the device images?20:07
h01gerso the release notes say i should add ppa:phablet-team/ppa to sources.list - does that also mean that i need to install the ppa's listed as dependencies on https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa ?20:17
h01gerIOW: do PPAs have to be self contained or not? :)20:17
h01gerand shall i really use quantal for these ppas or rather raring?20:51
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mhall119t1mp: Wellark: I got HUD working by overwriting __hud in my MainView, it's not pretty, but it works!21:07
dank101i need a kernel developer21:08
bobweaverdoes anyone know the size of phablet by default ?  example:  240x400x822:10
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krabadorok people, please help commyni23:43
krabadorcommunity on hardware support23:43

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