[00:29] <dank101> anyone?
[00:29] <dank101> pls?
[00:37]  * Linton is just lurking for info.
[00:49] <Bevo> is there somewhere to keep up with a changelog for touch? ie things that are changing from the release notes?
[00:53] <Linton> xda forums seem to have some unofficial threads that compile them
[00:56] <lenios_> there is also a ubuntu touch summary section in ubuntu weekly newsletter
[00:57] <lenios_> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg01464.html for week 13, as in UWN 311 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue311
[01:31] <houtworm> just curious how far are you guys with ubuntu phone im getting a xperia z next month i have a good working smarthphone so i want to use the experia z to experiment with ubuntu touch i have little knowledge about flashing phones but i can work my way around in ubuntu if i want to install it could i use the nexus image or should i install it another way
[02:25] <user90> How can i connect to a hidden SSID using ubuntu phone?
[06:29] <nagu> Is there any provision to run ubuntu touch on virtual box?
[06:43] <Mirv> lool: could you do a new upload of lp:ubuntu-ui-toolkit into raring? I merged your raring changes into trunk so it should be ready for an upload
[06:43] <dholbach> good morning
[07:05] <oSoMoN> good morning
[07:26] <istyRO> hello all
[07:26] <istyRO> :)
[07:27] <istyRO> who knows anything about ubuntu toutch:) i have a fiew questiuons:)
[07:41] <gusch> Wellark: ping
[07:43] <Wellark> gusch: pong
[07:45] <gusch> Wellark: is there some documendation for qml HUD ?
[07:48] <Wellark> gusch: not at the moment. The final API is still in flux. :/
[07:48] <gusch> Wellark: and where can I find the current API?
[07:48] <Wellark> the plan is to get the HUD and the API finalized by the end of this month
[07:48] <Wellark> gusch: the current 1.0 is in lp:libhud-qt
[07:49] <Wellark> gusch: we are investigating on creating an unified action class for all of the unity APIs
[07:49] <Wellark> and that affects the HUD API also
[07:50] <Wellark> gusch: I'm able to work with the HUD API next week with the SDK team for review
[07:50] <gusch> Wellark: I was rather interested in how to enable/disable context
[07:51] <Wellark> gusch: that is still WIP in the backend, too
[07:51] <gusch> Wellark: but would it be better to wait for further work on HUD?
[07:51] <Wellark> gusch: have you gotten any additional specifications for new actions?
[07:52] <Wellark> or are you only interested on the context support right now?
[07:52] <gusch> Wellark: more or less - well - I was looking for doing HUD "right" for gallery
[07:53] <Wellark> gusch: yeah, like the edit commands are only available on edit view and such
[07:54] <Wellark> gusch: please wait until the 1.0 API is "frozen"
[07:54] <gusch> Wellark: ok - I'll wait then - thx
[07:55] <Wellark> gusch: there is no release of 1.0 at the moment so even though if you would compile it yourself you could not commit that to gallery trunk
[07:55] <Wellark> *commit the HUD changes
[07:58] <lool> Mirv: yup
[08:00] <didrocks> lool: can we have that under daily release? I thought ken and Mirv were discussing about it?
[08:00] <didrocks> that would be better than old-fashion manual upload, not tracking state and so on :)
[08:00] <lool> didrocks: I dont mind; Mirv, is that ok?
[08:01] <lool> Mirv: BTW latest changelog entry seems to repeat changelog entry from 0.1.38 where I drop ubuntu-sdk package?
[08:04] <oSoMoN> Mirv: ping
[08:09] <Mirv> lool: that's ok, I just thought the daily enablement would be done only after S, plus I'm not sure what further needs to be done (probably jenkins side)
[08:09] <Mirv> lool: yes, sorry, it repeats that because for the PPA release that was a new item, merging your dropping
[08:09] <Mirv> oSoMoN: pong
[08:10] <Mirv> after raring release, regarding the daily
[08:11] <rockbaaska> hi  guys
[08:12] <oSoMoN> Mirv: I’ve got a patch for qtwebkit, sending you all the details by e-mail in a minute
[08:13] <Mirv> oSoMoN: ok, thanks
[08:13] <rockbaaska> quantal-preinstalled-armel+grouper.zip not flashed
[08:14] <rockbaaska> md5 error
[08:15] <oSoMoN> Mirv: sent
[08:22] <oSoMoN> Mirv: note that so far I have tested the patch on desktop only, an armhf build is currently running to test it on a device, but I really don’t expect any difference, I’ll keep you posted anyway
[08:22] <Mirv> oSoMoN: ok, keep me posted, I added it in my work tree and after your armhf build finishes I can push another build of my own into qt5-beta-proper, from which it'd be copied to qt5-proper
[08:23] <oSoMoN> excellent!
[08:29] <shadeslayer> rsalveti: any luck with the initrd? :P
[08:48] <mardy> mpt: hi! Are you subscribed to the ubuntu-phone ML?
[08:49] <ogra_> sergiusens, hmm, todays image did only spit out the rootfs, no android zips
[09:04] <mpt> mardy, I didn't realize there was one, but I'm subscribed now.
[09:04] <mardy> mpt: ah, I already wrote a message there, so you probably missed it: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg01674.html
[09:05] <mpt> yep
[09:09] <mardy> mpt: I will edit the page to note a couple of requirements that this design brings to Mir
[09:09] <mpt> mardy, Mir? Really?
[09:29] <tsdgeos> gusch: what happened with the gallery-app icon? Can't see it in the hud anymore
[09:35] <lool> didrocks: so it seems fine; would you set it up?
[09:40] <didrocks> lool: I think for S then
[09:40] <didrocks> lool: so go ahead for R
[09:40] <didrocks> (Mirv talked about S)
[09:48] <Negu> hi anyware there?
[09:49] <Negu> please someone can tell me if there will be a version of ubuntu to galaxy tab 10.1 3g?
[09:53] <ogra_> if it is not on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices you have to port it yourself https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/porting
[09:54] <ogra_> (or find someone who does it for you)
[09:55] <Negu> if anyone knows and can give me information my email is:enegreiros@hotmail.com thanks
[09:56] <ogra_> hmm, do i have the invisible font in use today ?
[10:01] <didrocks> if only ogra_ answered…
[10:01] <ogra_> :)
[10:01] <didrocks> :)
[10:08] <popey> ogra_: so the build failed today?
[10:08] <ogra_> popey, thats the weird part ... it didnt
[10:08] <ogra_> it just didnt spit out the android zips
[10:08] <popey> ckpringle: ^^
[10:08] <ogra_> but is still considered goog by jenkins
[10:09] <ogra_> *good
[10:09] <popey> but the files are missing at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/
[10:09] <ckpringle> ogra_: ok so phablet-flash-l is not working
[10:09] <ogra_> right
[10:09] <mardy> mpt: I edited the page, please let me know if the technical paragraph is not clear
[10:09] <popey> ckpringle: yes, you'll need to manually install apps for the moment until a new build is made
[10:09] <didrocks> ogra_: isn't reduce the image size one of your goal? Seems jenkins was good at it :)
[10:09] <popey> hah
[10:10] <popey> infinte compression!
[10:10] <didrocks> ;)
[10:10] <ogra_> popey, cdimage automatically pulls from the LastGoodBuild dir from jenkins ... jenkins decides if a build is considered good
[10:10] <popey> is someone looking into this?
[10:10] <ogra_> err lastSuccsessfulBuild that is
[10:10] <ogra_> who could ?
[10:11] <ogra_> i only know sergiusens  has full access
[10:12] <ogra_> aha
[10:12] <ogra_> ubuntu/platform-api/android/hybris/../..//include/ubuntu/ui/ubuntu_ui_session_service.h:22:30: fatal error: ubuntu/ui/config.h: No such file or directory
[10:12] <ogra_> compilation terminated.
[10:12] <ogra_> i dont get why it didnt actually stop though
[10:15] <mpt> mardy, looks fine to me.
[10:20] <mardy> mpt: on the design side, you might want to think what happens if the applications need to provide some extra settings for the user (in the desktop, you can now find an "Options" button next to Empathy)
[10:25] <mpt> mardy, that should be in the application UI. Putting app-specific options inside Online Accounts just makes them harder to find.
[10:26] <mpt> (In that Empathy Options panel it says "Go online to edit your personal information". But I am online already, and there's no hint what "personal information" it's talking about.)
[10:34] <ogra_> popey, aha, seems to be commit  48 in platform-api .thats at fault
[10:35] <P3T3> rsalveti, sergiusens : Hi, can you check changes between compilations of builds again? I have another date where I have a bug
[10:37] <nik90> ogra_: do you know the name of the qtwebkit package?
[10:37] <ogra_> smells like mterry added #include "ubuntu/ui/config.h" to the code but forgot a bzr add or so
[10:37] <ogra_> since the file isnt there actually
[10:37] <ogra_> nik90, sorry, no
[10:38] <nik90> ogra_: np
[10:38] <gusch> tsdgeos: where does HUD get the app icon from?
[10:41] <ogra_> aha https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/platform-api/gles/+merge/158128 is the issue ... config.h.in doesnt seem to be processed
[10:42] <ogra_> and no mterry :(
[10:44] <Asker> Hello everyone. Sorry my bad English. Can I install IDEs like PyCharm on Ubuntu Touch (when it would be released)?
[10:46] <tsdgeos> gusch: don't remember anymore :D
[10:46] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: do you remember where the hud-service gets the icon from?
[10:46] <tsdgeos> desktop file?
[10:46] <tsdgeos> or the hint in the Hud thing?
[10:46] <tsdgeos> Wellark: ↑↑ ?
[10:47] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: I thought it was the desktop file
[10:48] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: I think it grabs a load of random information from there
[10:48] <gusch> tsdgeos: maybe the previous icon is not installed anymore, as now gallery installs it (them) on its own
[10:49] <tsdgeos> gusch: which path?
[10:49] <tsdgeos> gusch: we are using giconloader to find it
[10:49] <tsdgeos> maybe that's the problem?
[10:49] <gusch> tsdgeos: gicon can find it (tested it, and the shell app lens uses it)
[10:51] <P3T3> ogra_, Hi, can you check changes between builds?
[10:52] <gusch> tsdgeos: hmmmm - looks like the gallery on the current images does not install the icons
[10:52] <tsdgeos> gusch: that may explain it
[10:53] <gusch> tsdgeos: with the next image, this should work then (released yesterday)
[10:53] <tsdgeos> ok
[10:57] <Wellark> gusch, tsdgeos: yes, the icon comes from the desktop-file
[10:57] <tvoss> ogra_, I'm here now
[10:58] <ogra_> ah, good
[10:58] <ogra_> so we dont need to spam mir
[10:58] <ogra_> the android build chockes on :
[10:58] <ogra_> In file included from ubuntu/platform-api/android/hybris/../default/default_ubuntu_ui.cpp:19:0:
[10:58] <ogra_> ubuntu/platform-api/android/hybris/../..//include/ubuntu/ui/ubuntu_ui_session_service.h:22:30: fatal error: ubuntu/ui/config.h: No such file or directory
[10:58] <ogra_> compilation terminated.
[11:02] <tvoss> ogra_, okay, got it: can you adjust your MP such that include/CMakeLists.txt has a line reading: include_directories(${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR})
[11:02] <tvoss> ogra_, no need to write CONFIGURE_FILE then :)
[11:02] <ogra_> not at all or just no need to capitalize ?
[11:04] <ogra_> tvoss, ^^^
[11:04] <tvoss> just no need to capitalize :)
[11:04] <ogra_> k
[11:07] <P3T3> can anybody check what changed in compilation of daily builds between March 3rd and March 6th?
[11:08] <tsdgeos> phablet-flash is failing on me
[11:08] <tsdgeos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5701126/
[11:08] <tsdgeos> ideas?
[11:09] <tsdgeos> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/quantal-preinstalled-armel+mako.zip seems not to be there
[11:09] <ogra_> tvoss, done
[11:09] <tvoss> ogra_, ack
[11:10] <P3T3> tsdgeos, today's build has some problems, so only manually install from previous builds
[11:11] <tsdgeos> P3T3: it'd be cool if the script that copies thigns around was smart enough not to break phablet-flash if the build fails
[11:11] <ogra_> tsdgeos, yeah, its broken ... waiting for the fix above and for sergiusens to trigger a new buuild then
[11:12] <P3T3> tsdgeos, sure ;-)
[11:12] <ogra_> seems the jenkins check for broken builds doesnt work right, that shouldnt have been marked as successful build
[11:13] <tsdgeos> ogra_: i see
[11:13] <tsdgeos> want me to file a bug somewhere?
[11:13] <ogra_> tsdgeos, the script only picks what jenkins considers successful
[11:13] <ogra_> no, i'll talk to sergiusens , i guess he needs to check his scripts
[11:14] <tsdgeos> ookidoki
[11:14] <tsdgeos> t
[11:14] <ogra_> no need for a bug, wont be forgotten :)
[11:14] <tsdgeos> x
[11:21] <tvoss> ogra_, did you check locally that it builds?
[11:23] <ogra_> tvoss, nope, let me try to get libhybris -dev onto this chromebook
[11:23] <tvoss> ogra_, same problem here
[11:28] <RobbyF> whats with the flash today?
[11:28] <ogra_> broken
[11:30] <ogra_> tvoss, building now
[11:30] <tvoss> ogra_, great, thank you
[11:31] <ogra_> ogra@chromebook:~/branches/platform-api$ dpkg -c ../libplatform-api-headers_0.18.1daily13.04.12ubuntu.unity.next-0ubuntu1_armhf.deb|grep config.h
[11:31] <ogra_> -rw-r--r-- root/root       826 2013-04-12 13:29 ./usr/include/ubuntu/ui/config.h
[11:31] <ogra_> its there
[11:31] <ogra_> but i'm not so sure that the android build actually generates it then ... i cant see cmake being called in the log
[11:31] <ogra_> (in the android build log)
[11:35] <demist> hello guys. does anybody know anything about porting ubuntu touch to htc sensation xe?
[11:35] <tvoss> ogra_, argh, getting it now ... is ubuntu/ui/config.h conditionally included or always expected?
[11:35] <ogra_> well, the merge from mterry seems to make it always required
[11:36] <ogra_> but to get the gles stuff into config.h it needs to be generated
[11:36] <ogra_> catch22
[11:37] <tvoss> ogra_, then we need to teach the android build system to generate that header, too
[11:37] <ogra_> right, but thats for rsalveti/serguiens ...
[11:37] <ogra_> lets see that we get the fix in first
[11:39] <ogra_> i rolled cdimage back to yesterdays image for now
[11:39] <ogra_> for everyone who has issues with phablet-flash, it should work again
[11:40] <ogra_> tsdgeos, RobbyF ^^^
[11:40] <ogra_> jppiiroi1en, ^^
[11:40] <tvoss> ogra_, thanks, pinged sergiusens
[11:40] <ogra_> yep, i did that here already
[11:40] <Sunight> Hi
[11:40] <ogra_> (no need to do it in pprivate :) )
[11:41] <tvoss> ogra_, old habits :)
[11:45] <RobbyF> working :)
[11:46] <RobbyF> wait. no new image
[11:46] <RobbyF> figured the raring would go
[11:46]  * RobbyF off to work
[11:46] <ogra_> no, the new image is the one thats broken, i just removed it for now until someone can lookk into it
[11:47] <ogra_> phablet-flash just gets you yesterdays atm
[12:06] <jppiiroi1en> ogra_: thanks
[12:06] <ogra_> pmcgowan, FYI, we had a little jenkins issue today that resulted in it publishing a broken image (only rootfs, no android builds) i rolled back cdimage and disabled the syncing until thats fixed
[12:07] <pmcgowan> ogra_: ack, thanks
[12:07] <ogra_> waiting for brazil to get up :)
[12:09] <Namidairo> muahahahahaha
[12:16] <ogra_> sergiusens, hey
[12:16] <sergiusens> ogra_: hey... let me check
[12:16] <ogra_> sergiusens, seems the android builds all failed but jenkins still published
[12:17] <ogra_> we added a fix to platform-api ... but the missing config.h is generated by cmake ... do we run that during the build ?
[12:17] <ogra_> (i rolled back cdimage to the last working image)
[12:17] <sergiusens> ogra_: no...
[12:17] <ogra_> hmmm, that might be a prob
[12:18] <sergiusens> ogra_: if it's not in an Android.mk, it won't build
[12:18] <ogra_> tvoss, any idea ? ^^
[12:18] <sergiusens> ogra_: you'll need to replicate that rule that generates the file into the Android.mk for platform-api
[12:19] <ogra_> sergiusens, well, the more important issue is that jenkins considered it a good build
[12:19] <tvoss> sergiusens, it's a cmake rule. I have no idea how to run that configure in Android.mk
[12:19] <ogra_> even though tehre was nothing built
[12:22] <sergiusens> ogra_: also, if all these are 0 build probably failed: http://10.97.2.10:8080/view/Phablet/job/ubuntu-touch-image/lastSuccessfulBuild/aggregatedTestReport/api/json
[12:22] <sergiusens> ogra_: compare that to the previous one: http://10.97.2.10:8080/view/Phablet/job/ubuntu-touch-image/69/aggregatedTestReport/api/json
[12:22] <ogra_> sergiusens, ok ... i dont get why it lands in lastSuccessfulBuild though
[12:22] <sergiusens> ogra_: that said, I'll still fix the script
[12:23] <sergiusens> ogra_: script needs fixing...
[12:23] <ogra_> yeah
[12:23] <sergiusens> ogra_: just thought I'd mention that there's an easy way to check the test results in the meantime :-)
[12:24] <ogra_> heh, if you did, i didnt see it ... you said you would look into it
[12:24] <ogra_> thats my last status
[12:26] <sergiusens> ogra_: no, I didn't... was doing that now ;-)
[12:26] <ogra_> phew :)
[12:29] <sergiusens> tvoss: regarding Android.mk and the config.h, I can look at it
[12:29] <ogra_> sergiusens, so what level of fuzziness do you want ? something like "if totalCount - failCount > 10" we'll publish  ?
[12:30] <sergiusens> ogra_: well for now, if totalCount == 0
[12:30] <ogra_> or should we wait until at aleas all tests succeeded once
[12:30] <ogra_> ah, k
[12:30] <sergiusens> ogra_: I'll be fixing the tests today and we can switch it next week
[12:30] <ogra_> so publish if any tests ran ...
[12:30] <ogra_> k
[12:30] <sergiusens> ogra_: script is fixed too, so it _should_ abort on any errors
[12:30] <ogra_> great
[12:31] <ogra_> if you fire off a new build (and it uscceeds) i can switch the auto sync back on
[12:31] <ogra_> *succeeds
[12:31] <sergiusens> ogra_: let me fire up a build, if nothing changed, it should fail
[12:32] <sergiusens> ogra_: while that runs, I'll be fixing the platform-api
[12:32] <ogra_> well, platform-api changed ... but if the file isnt generated it will indeed still fail
[12:32] <ogra_> building the package does the right thing here
[12:32] <sergiusens> ogra_: because it calls cmake :-)
[12:32] <ogra_> yep
[12:43] <P3T3> sergiusens, can you do something to me?
[12:44] <sergiusens> P3T3: what exactly? I'm fixing the build right now
[12:44] <ogra_> ok, check for tests is added to the sync script
[12:44] <ogra_> autosyncing switched back on
[12:45] <sergiusens> ogra_: and the build also failed ;-)
[12:45] <ogra_> as expected :)
[12:45] <sergiusens> ogra_: but it didn't fail for some reason.... hmmm
[12:46] <ogra_> oh, you measn it landed in lastSuccessfulBuild again ?
[12:46] <ogra_> sigh, if the VPN wouldnt be so slow
[12:47] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah, the build failed, and exited but jenkins marked as success...
[12:47] <ogra_> yeah
[12:48] <sergiusens> ogra_: ok, found the issue... fixed
[12:48] <ogra_> yay
[12:48]  * sergiusens thinks it's too early for this
[12:49] <ogra_> well, at least i dont get the wrong stuff from jenkins :)
[12:49] <ogra_> i understand that adding cmake might not be easy
[12:51] <sergiusens> ogra_: well, depends on how it's generated... most likely I'll need to replicate
[12:54] <P3T3> sergiusens,  I need diffs between builds March 3rd to March 6th
[12:55] <LUZifer_> hello! Can you tell me if new Ubuntu 13.04 works in my tablet Memup SlidePadNG808DC, Dual Core 1,5GHz and 1GB RAM
[12:56] <ogra_> LUZifer_, no x86 support yet
[12:57] <janimo> rsalveti, does the contained Ubuntu see the same device nodes in /dev as Android?
[12:57] <ogra_> i think it is bind mounted
[12:57] <janimo> rsalveti, I say the dev/alog renaming to avoid the syslogd conflict
[12:57] <ogra_> but you dont have udev
[12:58] <ogra_> LUZifer_,oops, ignore that i see it isnt x86 ...  if the device is not on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices you will need to port it yourself https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[12:59] <LUZifer_> ok, the sistem in my tablet is Android 4.1.1, will it be possible to upgrade to Ubuntu, in the future?
[12:59] <ogra_> not if nobody portss it to that device
[13:01] <Namidairo> and what tablet is that...
[13:01] <Namidairo> oh right
[13:01] <rsalveti> http://ubuntuonair.com/ -> Ubuntu Development: Presentation about the work on image-based updates for Ubuntu touch
[13:01] <rsalveti> starting just now
[13:01] <ogra_> Namidairo, google tells you :)
[13:01] <rsalveti> at #ubuntu-on-air
[13:01] <Namidairo> the slidepadmemupgenericshenanigan
[13:02] <Namidairo> way to mute yourself
[13:02]  * Namidairo runs away
[13:05] <rsalveti> RobbyF: utc-3 :-)
[13:12] <rsalveti> janimo: yeah, it's bind mounted still
[13:12] <rsalveti> that's why we needed the dev/log rename at the android side
[13:15] <P3T3> rsalveti, HI, can you check what changed between builds March 3rd and March 6th
[13:15] <rsalveti> P3T3: sure
[13:15] <LUZifer_> I understood that Ubuntu for a specific tablet will only exist if someone creates it especially for the device, is it?
[13:16] <Namidairo> still no gerrit instance?
[13:16] <Namidairo> remember to do certificate pinning
[13:17] <rsalveti> P3T3: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5701391/
[13:18] <rsalveti> that's the only changes between 3dr and 6th
[13:18] <Namidairo> still no gerrit instance?
[13:18] <rsalveti> Namidairo: not yet
[13:18] <rsalveti> hopefully soon
[13:21] <P3T3> rsalveti, thanks! I have working image #10 from Mar 3d and non working #13 from Mar 6th
[13:23] <rsalveti> P3T3: right, it'd probably work if you match hybris and platform-api at the android side (based on the versions used by ubuntu)
[13:24] <janimo> QUESTION: Is there an overview or comparison of various OEMs, carriers and Google's way of delivering system image updates? Besides update.zip (which is not universally used either) is everyone doing their own server-side and phone-side setup?
[13:24] <P3T3> rsalveti, this is odd, my hybris and api are newest I can have but still no luck
[13:24] <Sunight> Who test Ubuntu touch on TF101 ?
[13:25] <rsalveti> janimo: maybe for #ubuntu-on-air? :-)
[13:25] <janimo> rsalveti, oh, indeed :)
[13:25] <janimo> 4 channels open and I am already confused, thanks :)
[13:25] <rsalveti> :-)
[13:26]  * Namidairo looks at his hexchat side panel
[13:27] <Namidairo> 18 channels across 6 networks
[13:27] <Namidairo> :S
[13:30] <sergiusens> tvoss: rsalveti https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/platform-api/config_h/+merge/158613
[13:30] <sergiusens> ogra_: build is now properly failing as it should
[13:31] <P3T3> rsalveti, will bzr pull sync all needed files? I am looking inside ubuntu dirs and I can see all dates are Feb 28th
[13:31] <ogra_> good
[13:31] <sergiusens> P3T3: bzr pull will pull as long as there are no conflicts
[13:32] <sergiusens> will pull cleanly that is
[13:32] <ogra_> sergiusens, funny whitespace change :)
[13:32] <sergiusens> ogra_: in the MR? dang
[13:32] <ogra_> (looks good to me)
[13:32] <ogra_> line 6 ...
[13:32] <ogra_> ignore it
[13:32] <sergiusens> ogra_: going to remove it
[13:33] <sergiusens> ogra_: easy to remove, I'll just do it
[13:34] <ogra_> yeah, as you like
[13:34] <sergiusens> ogra_: done
[13:34] <P3T3> sergiusens, bzr pull in directory ubuntu/hybris says  No revisions or tags to pull. but all files have date Feb 28th
[13:35] <sergiusens> ogra_: I set USE_GLES to one even though debian/rules only set it for armhf and this is armel :-)
[13:35] <sergiusens> P3T3: do bzr pull lp:phablet-extras/libhybris
[13:35] <sergiusens> P3T3: what does bzr revno say?
[13:37] <ogra_> sergiusens, shouldnt matter i guess
[13:38] <ogra_> we want GLES enabled in any case
[13:38] <P3T3> sergiusens, still same :-( = No revisions or tags to pull.
[13:38] <ogra_> in these builds at least
[13:38] <sergiusens> P3T3: what revno are you on?
[13:38] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah, I was just trolling :-D
[13:38] <ogra_> hehe
[13:38]  * ogra_ forgot it is friday 
[13:39] <P3T3> sergiusens, 123 in hybris and 49 in api
[13:39] <janimo> QUESTION: Can't we just use whatever carriers already use for Android ROMs without having them make something compatible with whatever our implementation for the UBuntu servers is?
[13:39] <sergiusens> P3T3: you have the right versions..
[13:39] <P3T3> I know
[13:40] <P3T3> but all files are old
[13:40]  * janimo keeps seeing at least some of the scenarios as an Android ROM update + an app update
[13:40] <ogra_> janimo, we'll see ... you could ask in the right channel though :)
[13:40] <sergiusens> P3T3: and you can check them in http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/quantal-ubuntu_stamp
[13:40] <janimo> ogra_, may I suck. I'll close this tab
[13:40] <ogra_> dont leave us !
[13:40] <janimo> s/may/man/
[13:40] <sergiusens> ogra_: janimo where and what is going on?
[13:41] <P3T3> sergiusens, I know about version numbers in stamp
[13:41] <ogra_> sergiusens, #ubuntu-on-air
[13:41] <ogra_> sergiusens, image updates
[13:41] <janimo> sergiusens, discussion about OTA updates
[13:41] <sergiusens> janimo: interesting! I should join
[13:42] <ogra_> you should also watch the stream :)
[13:42] <ogra_> (ubuntuonair.com)
[13:45] <sergiusens> ogra_: on it now
[13:46] <sergiusens> ogra_: using my phone as I can't from the chrome book :-/
[13:46] <ogra_> heh, same here
[13:47] <ogra_> which is funny, i usually never have issues with youtube
[13:48] <sergiusens> it feels better though, I can toss the phone to a side and keep on using this _book_ :-)
[13:50] <P3T3> sergiusens, i deleted whole dir hybris, then initialised and pulled again. Now I have it back with revno 123
[13:51] <P3T3> sergiusens, which command to pull api dir?
[13:51] <sergiusens> P3T3: bzr branch lp:platform-api
[13:57] <mhall119> popey: I submitted packaging fixes to all the core apps yesterday, and better icons for clock, calculator, calendar, weather, facebook and youtube
[13:57] <mhall119> clock has already merged it, and their new package built
[13:58] <mhall119> looks like rssreader has merged the changes too
[13:59] <popey> mhall119: awesome
[13:59] <mhall119> I'm hoping the new clock icon gets into the next touch image
[14:00] <mhall119> popey: if you could encourage the others to land these branches, we will be ready to start on the project renaming
[14:01] <popey> ok
[14:01] <mhall119> thanks
[14:06] <rsalveti> hm, the other nick is already grouped
[14:08] <ogra_> rsalveti, can you approve sergiusens'  fix in https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/platform-api/config_h/+merge/158613 so we can get a workign image ?
[14:08] <rsalveti> sure, lemmelook
[14:19] <rsalveti> ogra_: sergiusens: tested and approved
[14:19] <rsalveti> once merged we can trigger a new job
[14:19] <ogra_> \o/
[14:20] <sergiusens> rsalveti: great
[14:26] <jun> hey how is dev going
[14:26] <ogra_> great
[14:26]  * jun wants touch on nexus 4
[14:27] <ogra_> your wish can be fulfilled
[14:27] <ogra_> there are images
[14:27] <jun> :】
[14:28] <jun> i tried the images but its not really usable now
[14:29] <ogra_> they will be in october
[14:29] <ogra_> there is still a lot to do
[14:29] <jun> ah october... thats still a long time away
[14:29] <jun> i noticed hehe
[14:29] <ogra_> depends how you look at it :)
[14:30] <ogra_> i would say time is short :)
[14:30] <jun> to build an os from scratch its quick
[14:30] <ogra_> being a developer having to do it its short :)
[14:30] <jun> for impatient enthusiasts its long
[14:31] <ogra_> but its all open, you are free to help out indeed ;)
[14:31] <jun> i wish i was gifted enougj
[14:31] <jun> h
[14:36] <TheGorgotron> Im pretty proficient at some "hello world" in java and c++, what are my chances of getting the source and actually doing some good? :)
[14:37] <mhall119> TheGorgotron: source of what?
[14:37] <ogra_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-touch-preview has all the userspace trees ... pahblet.ubuntu.com has the android layer
[14:37] <ogra_> bah
[14:38] <ogra_> phablet.ubuntu.com
[14:38] <TheGorgotron> Source code. I was joking.
[14:38] <ogra_> what you dont find there is from the normal ubuntu archive
[14:38] <mhall119> QML is so easy, you might actually be able to do some good with just "Hello World" level knowledge
[14:40] <TheGorgotron> I've only taken two intro so far but ild like to get better. Gone as far as multi dimensional arrays.
[14:42] <TheGorgotron> So we will be able to dock our tablet/phones and use a full OS right?
[14:42] <ogra_> not yet, but yeah, you will
[14:42] <ogra_> thats rather a 14.04 feature
[14:43] <ogra_> basic phone is 13.10 ... full convergence is 14.04
[14:43] <TheGorgotron> Awesome. So the mobile OS will recognize when docked and boot to separate partiton? Will we be able to have whatever distro we want then as well?
[14:44] <ogra_> not boot ... it will just show a desktop on the attached monitor
[14:45] <ogra_> and you will likely only get ubuntu for the start ... if others port their desktops to Mir they will be able to participate though
[14:45] <TheGorgotron> So its still all within the mobile OS then?  Ubuntu is all i use anyways :) just curious
[14:46] <ogra_> it will be the same OS  ...
[14:46] <ogra_> if the convergence is done there wont be a "mobile OS"
[14:48] <TheGorgotron> Oh ok. Is the info on all that up on the wiki as well, i would really like to read up on how that's going to work.
[14:48] <ogra_> we're still defining how it will work :)
[14:49] <ogra_> but essentially the plan is that the same OS works across every device you install it on ...
[14:49] <TheGorgotron> Im super stoked! I really think this will be a game changer for mobile devices and computing in general.
[14:50] <ogra_> in some cases (small phones that have limited resources) you will see a cut down version ... in others (full desktop) you will not have the mobile UI working
[14:50] <ogra_> but effectively it will be all the same software and tools across all devices ... adapting automatically to the context they run in
[14:52] <TheGorgotron> Im hoping they make some pretty high-end phones for it
[14:55] <TheGorgotron> ogra_: so i take it you are a part of the development team?
[14:55] <smartboyhw> TheGorgotron, you do know that he work's for Canonical for that?:)
[14:56] <ogra_> TheGorgotron, yep
[14:56] <ogra_> smartboyhw, i dont work for canonical "for that" :)  i jumped teams as needed over the last 8 years
[14:56] <TheGorgotron> I kind of figured
[14:56] <smartboyhw> ogra_, :O
[14:56] <smartboyhw> ogra_, so what do you work *NOW*?"{
[14:57] <ogra_> currently in teh foundations team, soon phablet/ubuntu-touch
[14:58] <smartboyhw> ogra_, ah so you are going to work on it soon:P
[14:58] <smartboyhw> Officially..
[14:59] <ogra_> i already work on it ...  just not  formally in the team
[14:59] <ogra_> just paperwork :)
[15:02] <smartboyhw> ogra_, :O
[15:36] <TheGorgotron> Since Cyanogenmod is the base for the Android side, will there be a release for other Android phones aside form Nexus?  I saw the portathon on the site but figured I'ld ask here.
[15:42] <ogra_> TheGorgotron, they are all community supported, but yeah there are about 50 ports
[15:46] <TheGorgotron> ogra_, is there a list somwhere. Looked on ubuntu and wiki site and couldn't find anything
[15:46] <TheGorgotron> googled too
[15:46] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[15:49] <TheGorgotron> sorry i didn't see it there when i looked. thanks
[15:50] <TheGorgotron> of course no s3! By the time this is out my contract will be up anyways
[15:53] <mpt> Just completed draft design for phone "Diagnostics" settings: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker#settings
[15:55] <TheGorgotron> mpt, looks like the final version to me
[15:55] <mpt> TheGorgotron, how do you know? :-)
[15:56] <mpt> I'm fairly sure I'll need to add a "Privacy Policy" item, at least
[15:57] <TheGorgotron> mpt, because of the badass GUI :)
[15:57] <mpt> Aww, thanks
[15:58] <TheGorgotron> seriously though what did you use to create that?
[16:05] <mhall119> tedg: do HUD action from QML work on the touch images?
[16:05] <mhall119> I'm trying to add one for uReadIt, but it doesn't seem to get the callback
[16:08] <tedg> mhall119, Hmm, I'd expect it to.
[16:08] <tedg> mhall119, Are the gallery ones working for you?
[16:08] <tedg> Wellark, ^
[16:08] <mhall119> tedg: gallery ones work
[16:09] <mhall119> which is why I was wondering if it's a QML-only problem
[16:09] <tedg> mhall119, Gallery is QML :-)
[16:09] <mhall119> hmm...
[16:10] <mhall119> tedg: then maybe you can tell if I'm doing something wrong:http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mhall119/+junk/uReadIt/view/head:/uReadIt.qml#L21
[16:10] <mhall119> obviously it's uncommented on the device
[16:10] <mhall119> I even put a console.log('HUD reload') at the top of the onTriggered
[16:11] <tedg> Really Wellark is the guy you want there.
[16:11] <tedg> The only thing I see is odd is that the keywords are more like a description.
[16:11] <tedg> But I don't think that'd break anything.
[16:12] <tedg> Keywords should be more my synonyms.  Refresh
[16:12] <tedg> It's other things that'll results in hits in the search.
[16:13] <mhall119> ok
[16:13] <tedg> Perhaps gusch would notice something wrong with that QML? ^
[16:14] <tedg> mhall119, You're not allowed to have QML questions this late European time  ;-)
[16:15] <ogra_> haha
[16:24] <gusch> mhall119: can you see the reload on the HUD?
[16:24] <mhall119> gusch: it shows up, yes
[16:24] <mhall119> just doesn't reload when I click it
[16:25] <gusch> mhall119: could you see the console log that you mentioned?
[16:26] <Wellark> tedg, mhall119, gusch: hi guys
[16:27] <Wellark> mhall119: so you see the action in HUD and it does nothing.. weird..
[16:27] <Wellark> mhall119: just to be safe, can you put a console.log() on the onTriggered handler to see that it really does not get called
[16:29] <mhall119> http://design.canonical.com/2013/04/core-utility-apps-visual-exploration/ all about visual design for Ubuntu Touch apps!
[16:29] <mhall119> Wellark: I have that, it doesn't output anything when I launch the app from the command line
[16:30] <mhall119> but I'm not sure if launcing from the commandline with qmlscene is enough to make HUD aware of it
[16:30] <mhall119> gusch: I don't see any output from the console.log I added, no
[16:31] <gusch> mhall119: what if you add --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/ureddit.desktop as parameter to qmlscene?
[16:32] <mhall119> let me try
[16:32] <mhall119> http://ubuntuone.com/3fCdyxWybJg99YDNKArIAb is a screenshot showing the HUD entry
[16:33] <mhall119> gusch: still nothing
[16:33] <mhall119> gusch: I do see "adding actions" being printed, is that from HUD?
[16:34] <gusch> mhall119: yes
[16:34] <mhall119> gusch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5701943/ is all the output I get
[16:36] <gusch> mhall119: in gallery I get "ACTION ADDED" for every acion
[16:36] <mhall119> gusch: I only have one action
[16:36] <mhall119> but I get "adding actions" not "ACTION ADDED"
[16:37] <gusch> mhall119: output from gallery: https://pastebin.canonical.com/89092/
[16:37] <Wellark> mhall119: looks like you are creating two HUD instances
[16:38] <Wellark> which does not make sense by looking at your code
[16:38] <mhall119> Wellark: why would it be creating 2?
[16:38] <Wellark> mhall119: yeah, that's what I'm wondering, too
[16:40] <wathek> Hi everybody
[16:41] <JesseH> How do I test this on my desktop?
[16:42] <mhall119> JesseH: test the Touch interface, or an app?
[16:42] <JesseH> touch interface
[16:42] <gusch> mhall119: sorry - need to go now - good luck
[16:42] <mhall119> thanks for trying gusch
[16:44] <rtg_> ogra_, ppisati tells me that the android flash method in flash-kernel doesn't actually work (at least for N4 and N7).
[16:45] <ogra_> oh, that could be since android has these weird device paths for disks
[16:45] <rtg_> does it work for the Toshiba AC100 / Dynabook AZ ? (which is the only other android method)
[16:45] <ogra_> yeah
[16:45] <ogra_> it also works on the n7 desktop image
[16:45] <rtg_> ppisati, ^^
[16:45] <ogra_> but the android kernel doesnt give you a /dev/mmcblk*
[16:46] <ogra_> which breaks the device setups in f-k
[16:46] <Wellark> mhall119: ok, never seen this before, but for some reason the constructor of QML HUD component gets called twice
[16:46] <rtg_> ogra_, I changed the path to /dev/block/mmcblk0p, but it finds the recovery partition instead of the boot partition
[16:46] <ogra_> (it kind of expects linux device names)
[16:46] <Wellark> which can only mean that there are two instances created
[16:47] <ogra_> rtg_, hmm, it shouldnt
[16:47] <Wellark> mhall119: can you paste me the _exact_ source file you are running
[16:47] <ogra_> rtg_, file a bug, i'll look into it on the weekend (or monday if i dont get to it)
[16:48] <ppisati> ok
[16:48] <rtg_> ogra_, its because the loop doesn't break when it finds the first boot partion.
[16:48] <ogra_> well, it should break for the biggest one ... but i figure recovery might be bigger than boot
[16:49] <ogra_> though i dont get why recovery would have an abootimg signature
[16:49] <ogra_> it should be ignored
[16:49] <rtg_> ogra_, since we _know_ what partiton it shold be in (because db/all.db tells us), why is there a search loop at all ?
[16:50] <ogra_> thats older than the db ... since it worked, nobody changed the code
[16:50] <ogra_> (i guess)
[16:52] <nik90> popey, mhall119: ping
[16:52] <popey> nik90: yo
[16:52] <nik90> popey: u should check out the latest trunk build...we got something awesome for the stopwatch :)
[16:52] <Wellark> mhall119: btw, check that you don't have the app running in the background somewhere
[16:52] <popey> nik90: ooh!
[16:52] <Wellark> mhall119: running from commandline is a bit fragile
[16:53] <mhall119> Wellark: I don't
[16:54] <Wellark> mhall119: does qmlscene keep on running on the terminal?
[16:54] <popey> nik90: nice!
[16:54] <Wellark> mhall119: before it just exited
[16:54] <nik90> popey: I think when combined with the visual designs released today...they look great
[16:55] <popey> love the lap effect
[16:55] <mhall119> nik90: looks nice
[16:55] <nik90> mhall119, popey: thnx
[16:55] <Wellark> maybe something has changed with the qmlscene or something
[16:55] <mhall119> Wellark: ps doesn't show qmlscene running
[16:55] <rtg_> ogra_, are you _sure_ the N7 flash-kernel works ? I think the patch in db.all is wrong. it is '/dev/mmcblk0' when it should be '/dev/block/mmcblk0boot0'
[16:55] <rtg_> patch -> path
[16:56] <pstolowski> hello, I've just started with ubuntu on the galaxy nexus phone; what's the best way of compiling qt5 apps for the phone? I can ssh onto my phone, so could install all the -dev deps and compile there, but perhaps it can be done by cross compiling or by some other means on the desktop (and then just transfer the binary)?
[16:56] <ogra_> rtg_, it worked when i tested last ... we disable all android stuff in the linux-nexus7 kernel
[16:57] <ogra_> for exatly that reason (and a few others that completely trash our userspace)
[16:58] <ogra_> rtg_, linux-nexus7 uses an ubuntu config (or did that change ? that would mean no more network, xserver and disk access for n7 desktop users)
[16:59] <rtg_> ogra_, I'm not yet running the Ubuntu N7 kernel, I'm still looking at the original android kernel and am trying to figure out how to get flash-kernel to work.
[16:59] <Wellark> mhall119: just to verify my hypothesis
[17:00] <ogra_> rtg_, well, apart from the path it sholdnt differ in function
[17:00] <Wellark> mhall119: could you add a Component.onCompleted handler to the top MainView ?
[17:00] <ogra_> if it does there is definitely soemthign wrong
[17:00] <Wellark> mhall119: and put there something like console.log("MainView Loaded")
[17:01] <Wellark> mhall119: I really need to see if it's loaded twice. I know the qt platform plugin does some black magic under the hood
[17:02] <pstolowski> Saviq: ping
[17:05] <ogra_> sergiusens, hmm, did you disable the image tests again ?
[17:06] <mhall119> Wellark: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5702063/ line 16
[17:07] <ogra_> sergiusens, with teeh new checks i cant sync now ... i'll disable the check for the tests over the weekend, lets revisit that on monday
[17:07] <t1mp> mhall119, Wellark so, 1 mainview, 2 huds?
[17:07] <Wellark> mhall119: ok. so mainview loads just once..
[17:08] <Wellark> mhall119: can you move the onCompleted handler to the HUD object?
[17:08] <mhall119> t1mp: somehow...
[17:08] <sergiusens> ogra_: no, I didn't, the tests actually failed...
[17:08] <ogra_> they dont seem to have run at all
[17:08] <Wellark> t1mp: oh, right.. are you guys doing something funny for the children of MainView by any chance? ;)
[17:08] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah, because the deploy failed, let me check
[17:09] <ogra_> the rest looks fine
[17:09] <mhall119> Wellark: also only called once
[17:09] <sergiusens> ogra_: I just triggered a test rebuild
[17:10] <ogra_> sergiusens, so should i block the sync ?
[17:10] <ogra_> (would run at :35 )
[17:10] <Wellark> mhall119: ok. even weirder
[17:10] <mhall119> that's me :)
[17:10] <Wellark> mhall119: just to confirm. libhud-qt-qml version is 0.1.0~dev9 ?
[17:11] <t1mp> Wellark: ehh, no funny stuff in MainView. It does set a default property to a simple Item that is inside the MainView, so children get placed inside that
[17:12] <t1mp> mhall119, Wellark you could try to have Item as the root, and put the MainView and HUD in that, but it shouldn't be necessary
[17:12] <sergiusens> ogra_: I'll give you a heads up....
[17:13] <ogra_> ok, i'll block then
[17:13] <mhall119> Wellark: 0.1.0~dev9~quantal1
[17:16] <mhall119> Wellark: the full code it at https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/+junk/uReadIt if you want to try it yourself
[17:16] <mhall119> Wellark: you'll need to uncomment the HUD lines
[17:16] <Wellark> mhall119: ok. unfortunately I can't test it today
[17:16] <Wellark> sorry :/
[17:19] <mhall119> np
[17:20] <sergiusens> ogra_: network seems to be down in the lab... or at least it's not connecting...
[17:21] <ogra_> ok
[17:21] <Wellark> mhall119: have you tried rebooting? 8)
[17:21] <ogra_> lets keep the test parts out then i'd say
[17:21] <mhall119> Wellark: yup
[17:21] <sergiusens> ogra_: let me do some digging... a bit to see if it's really that
[17:21] <Wellark> ok. that's like super weird
[17:21] <mhall119> Wellark: it's like everything works, but onTriggered isn't being called
[17:21] <sergiusens> ogra_: I'm downloading the image to verify
[17:21] <Wellark> mhall119: and all the "stock" apps with HUD are working?
[17:22] <mhall119> Wellark: has this been tested with any other QML-only apps launched by qmlscene?
[17:22] <mhall119> Wellark: I tried gallery, it works
[17:22] <rickspencer3> hey mhall119 I saw you mention somewhere that you can get a back button for free with a page stack
[17:22] <t1mp> mhall119, Wellark I noticed gallery puts the HUD outside of the MainView
[17:22] <mhall119> phone-app's HUD items work too
[17:22] <rickspencer3> how does that work?
[17:22] <rickspencer3> oops, sorry to interupt
[17:22] <mhall119> rickspencer3: yup
[17:22] <t1mp> not because of a bug I think, but because of its complicated start-up sequence
[17:23] <Wellark> mhall119: well, I haven't heard any reports on such behaviour before :)
[17:23] <mhall119> rickspencer3: the Toolbar has a placeholder for 'back', and when PageStack gets a second (or more) page pushed to it, it set's the 'back' toolbar action and makes it visible
[17:23] <mhall119> rickspencer3: so all you need to do is use PageStack.push() to change pages
[17:24] <mhall119> pretty slick, really
[17:24] <rickspencer3> mhall119, do you have a code sample?
[17:25] <mhall119> rickspencer3: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mhall119/+junk/uReadIt/view/head:/uReadIt.qml#L72 is where I push the articleView page on top of the subreddit page
[17:25] <t1mp> rickspencer3: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/qml-ubuntu-components0-pagestack.html :)
[17:25] <t1mp> rickspencer3: the online docs were updated yesterday or today
[17:25] <mhall119> that changes the UI to the articleView, and set's the articleView's Page toolbar back button to go to the subreddit page
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> any tablets with ubuntu touch default sold yet?
[17:26] <ogra_> nope
[17:26] <mhall119> lotuspsychje: no
[17:26] <mhall119> lotuspsychje: ubuntu touch is still being developed
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> is nexus 7 working flawless with it?
[17:26] <mhall119> no
[17:26] <mhall119> but it's working pretty well
[17:27] <mhall119> I used it every day now
[17:28] <rickspencer3> mhall119, so, it starts out iwth a Page visible in the pagestack
[17:28] <lotuspsychje_> ill play a little on my 64bit ubuntu netbook then
[17:28] <rickspencer3> and then just pushing your articleView makes the back button appear in the toolbar?
[17:29] <mhall119> rickspencer3: yup
[17:30] <rickspencer3> mhall119, hmm, not doing that for me
[17:30] <mhall119> I set the first page using Component.onCompleted on the PageStack, then subsequent push'es do the rest
[17:31] <rickspencer3> ah
[17:31] <rickspencer3> I see
[17:31] <t1mp> rickspencer3: should work if you have >1 Page on the stack.
[17:31] <rickspencer3> I need to explicitly push the first page on the stack?
[17:31] <mhall119> probably
[17:31] <mhall119> that's what I'm doing
[17:31] <Wellark> mhall119: can you try to move the HUD out from the MainView?
[17:32] <mhall119> Wellark: into what?
[17:32] <Wellark> mhall119: you would need to create a toplevel Item where you insert the HUD and the MainView siblings and have the mainview
[17:33] <t1mp> rickspencer3, mhall119 yes you need to explicitly push the first page.
[17:33] <rickspencer3> ok, that's got it
[17:33] <mhall119> Wellark: oh, move it up and outside of MainView all together?
[17:34] <rickspencer3> t1mp, mhall119 I had assumed that when I did PageStack{Page{}}
[17:34] <rickspencer3> the page was declared as pushed onto the PageStack
[17:34] <mhall119> no, but that would make sense wouldn't it?
[17:34] <t1mp> rickspencer3: no automatic pushing. If you do it like that, and Page.visible is not set to false, you will still see it but it is not on the stack
[17:35] <t1mp> there is a related feature request https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1097726
[17:36] <t1mp> I'm not sure what is the best solution. Automatically push the first child of PageStack if it is a Page?
[17:36] <mhall119> push the first visible child Page, would be my expectation
[17:37] <t1mp> hmm. I'm thinking that we may have had something similar, and it was removed. Or maybe I just planned it but never implemented it
[17:40] <t1mp> nope, it was never there.
[17:42] <mhall119> rickspencer3: ^^ is that what you expected as well?
[17:46] <t1mp> I'm revisiting the whole PageStack API we had before implementing it - https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1GoSDDd3nd6AZgOBYgtNVYJaejH1YqZ5h7DM62SoerRA/edit#
[17:47] <t1mp> I think it is good to automatically push the first visible Page, and automatically make all following Page children of PageStack not visible
[18:00] <ogra_> sergiusens, the sync looks ok (even though it pulled #70 first but it properly overwrote it) , the raring manifest file is empty though
[18:01] <rsalveti> ogra_: guess that's expected still
[18:01] <rsalveti> let me download it
[18:01] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah, that's been like that for a while
[18:01] <ogra_> k
[18:05] <sergiusens> rsalveti: the resolv.conf hook didn't work (not that it would've been in this build, but still)
[18:06] <rsalveti> sergiusens: didn't you fix it yesterday?
[18:06] <rsalveti> or still to be fixed?
[18:06] <ogra_> did you talk to stgraber ?
[18:07] <ogra_> (he owns the resolvconf stuff)
[18:08] <sergiusens> ogra_: it's not a resolvconf issue... it's live-build and offspring
[18:08] <sergiusens> rsalveti: never said I fixed yesterday :-/
[18:08] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I mentioned in today's daily that I was testing some stuff out until the proper fix lands
[18:09] <ogra_> sergiusens, ah, k ... evil :P
[18:09] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right, got confused somehow
[18:09] <rsalveti> sergiusens: and what is the current state of that?
[18:09] <rsalveti> ogra_: yeah, ancient live-build at ibs
[18:09] <sergiusens> rsalveti: well, using a hook to create the symlink, just gets overwritten afterwards
[18:10] <rsalveti> sergiusens: :-(
[18:10] <sergiusens> rsalveti: going to see if I can get it in the edifier script
[18:10] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right, might be easier indeed
[18:14] <rickspencer3> mhall119, sorry
[18:15] <rickspencer3> I badly misunderstood how to use pagestack
[18:16] <rickspencer3> knowing what I know now, I think I would expect that the PageStack would have a property that is the initial Page on the stack
[18:17] <rickspencer3> I guess I would expect that you would declare the initial page, not set it in code, if that makes sense
[18:19] <sergiusens> rsalveti: testing now... if it works... then we can at least not deal with it now
[18:20] <rsalveti> sergiusens: yeah
[18:20] <rsalveti> that should work
[18:22] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I always forget the ln syntax though, and the help just confuses me... my brain maps TARGET and LINK to the same thing... always!
[18:23] <t1mp> rickspencer3, mhall119 what do you think is better? an initialPage property, or automatically pushing the first child?
[18:23]  * rickspencer3 ponders
[18:23] <rsalveti> sergiusens: haha, true
[18:24] <rickspencer3> t1mp, if you made me decide right now, I would go with both
[18:24] <rickspencer3> use the first child (that is a page) by default
[18:24] <rickspencer3> but let the developer define initialPage to override that
[18:24] <rickspencer3> not sure of the pros and cons, that's just my first thought
[18:25] <mhall119> same, do the magic but allow an override
[18:25] <rickspencer3> total cowboy API design
[18:25] <rickspencer3> pew pew
[18:26] <Wellark> mhall119: yeah, moving it completely out of MainView. most of the stock apps didn't use MainView when I did the HUD integration and that is the only difference I can think of. It *should* work just fine under any Item, but the behaviour you are seeing is just so bizarre
[18:32] <mhall119> Wellark: that did it
[18:33] <mhall119> \o/
[18:33] <mhall119> so why doesn't it work inside a MainView?
[18:33] <mhall119> and which project should I file this bug against?
[18:34] <t1mp> rickspencer3: hehe. My first intuition is that both is a bit too much :)
[18:34] <rickspencer3> t1mp, then I would say it has to be initialPage
[18:34] <sergiusens> ogra_: rsalveti do we want to make the switch to raring a coordinated thing?
[18:34] <t1mp> mhall119: huh that is weirrrd. I didn't do anything "special" in MainView
[18:34] <rickspencer3> because you want the developer to be able to set that dynamically
[18:34] <ogra_> sergiusens, i prefer chaotic :P
[18:35] <ogra_> sergiusens, (what do you mean by that)
[18:35] <Wellark> mhall119, t1mp: maybe there is a copy happening or something
[18:35] <t1mp> rickspencer3: there is always the push() alternative besides initialPage.
[18:35] <sergiusens> ogra_: well, for starters I'd need to get rid of all the 'quantals' in the build
[18:35] <Wellark> mhall119: please file agains libhud-qt
[18:35] <sergiusens> ogra_: then update the tools
[18:35] <rickspencer3> t1mp, right, but I think you might want to bid it
[18:35] <Wellark> just that I don't forget to investigate this with the 1.0
[18:35] <rickspencer3> oops
[18:36] <ogra_> sergiusens, i would start with the tools  and keep the images
[18:36] <rickspencer3> "bind" it
[18:36] <sergiusens> ogra_: although I would prefer to not use either quantal or raring on the android parts and use a 'generic' tag
[18:36] <rickspencer3> initialPage: lastUsedPage
[18:36] <ogra_> sergiusens, and if you know the tools (and new images) are safe, drop the old ones
[18:36] <rickspencer3> just seems more declarative to me
[18:36] <mhall119> Wellark: ok, thanks for helping me debug this
[18:36] <ogra_> sergiusens, well, not sure i can do that on cdimage later
[18:36] <rickspencer3> t1mp, I'm hardly religious about it, was just saying
[18:37] <sergiusens> ogra_: rsalveti doing it in  edify did the trick
[18:37] <t1mp> Wellark: ohh wait a second
[18:37] <Wellark> t1mp: it might be my code.. if the HUD object is copied by the QML engine when inserted to the list of childs of MainView or something I'm not 100% sure it does the right thing
[18:37] <t1mp> Wellark: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/view/head:/modules/Ubuntu/Components/MainView.qml has some HUD-related code at the bottom
[18:37] <rickspencer3> mhall119, t1mp thanks you guys, my news reader app is much better now
[18:37] <ogra_> sergiusens, the stuff under daily-foo/ is usually marked with the release it is built for (even adding raring there atm i break that rule)
[18:38] <sergiusens> ogra_: so we _are_ being chaotic :-)
[18:38] <ogra_> already, yeah :)
[18:38] <t1mp> Wellark: it creates another HUD there?
[18:38] <sergiusens> ogra_: ack... we'll stick to raring then
[18:38] <ogra_> anyway, i would start with switching phablet-flash
[18:38] <Wellark> t1mp: ah, right.. it's the incomplete hud integration
[18:39] <mhall119> rickspencer3: what kind of news reader?
[18:39] <Wellark> I didn't know somebody actually merged that in
[18:39] <mhall119> rickspencer3: we can always use more contributors on the RSS Reader core app :)
[18:39] <rickspencer3> mhall119, it used feedzilla
[18:39] <ogra_> see if people complain .... if they dont, drop the quantal images
[18:39] <shadeslayer> hi
[18:39] <Wellark> mhall119, t1mp: so yes, the MainView is creating a HUD instance
[18:39] <ogra_> for the android parts i can add links while syncing
[18:39] <mhall119> Wellark: oh?
[18:39] <ogra_> until you switch the names
[18:39] <mhall119> Wellark: so how can I add actions to it?
[18:39] <t1mp> Wellark: yeah, almost one month ago. I wasn't aware of that.
[18:39] <sergiusens> ogra_: and then from raring to slippery seal
[18:40] <ogra_> yeah
[18:40] <t1mp> mhall119: mainview has a __hud property, but it doesn't seem like it is intended to be used like that.
[18:40] <mhall119> :/
[18:40] <sergiusens> ogra_: well, I'd like to create a snapshot tag of quantal before switching so we have something to compare with
[18:41] <ogra_> oh, no prob ... i can just copy the last quantal build around then
[18:41] <ogra_> next to mwc
[18:41] <ogra_> thats a non issue
[18:41] <sergiusens> ogra_: that will work... I already added a --list-revisions to the tools with some webscrapping ;-)
[18:41] <ogra_> :)
[18:42] <ogra_> so when do you think raring is ready enough ? are the UI issues all done ?
[18:43] <t1mp> Wellark, mhall119 I think this hud code was added to MainView to have the possibility to quit apps that don't include any HUD code themselves
[18:43] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah... last pending one was people lens which was missing a dee-qt, everything works and I'd rather have us move soon
[18:43] <t1mp> wellar, mhall119 I don't know if it was supposed to be temporary, and whether there is another solution now
[18:44] <t1mp> *wellark
[18:44] <sergiusens> ogra_: there's one important issue in raring, and it's that memory seems to run out faster
[18:45] <ogra_> sergiusens, so lets do it next week then ... mind you , next week is also final freeze in ubuntu so i might be busy with any upcoming emergency arm stuff that could happen
[18:45] <pmcgowan> sergiusens: as discussed no regressions, when we leave quantal we need to bless a final build so it is available when needed
[18:46] <ogra_> (before i claim something wrong i should better check the schedule)
[18:46] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: yes, quantal blessing is good
[18:46] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: but the memory thing won't go away until it becomes the development focus
[18:46] <ogra_> yeah, 18th
[18:46] <tassadar_> ogra_: have you already decided what will you do about that memory usage? I mean, is it going to kill old apps like android or something like that?
[18:47] <ogra_> tassadar_, something :)
[18:47] <ogra_> no, i dont think we have a definite answer yet
[18:47] <rsalveti> sergiusens: send me the mr then :-)
[18:47] <pmcgowan> apps in background can be killed and state saved is the thinking
[18:47] <ogra_> sergiusens, how about monday then ?
[18:47] <tassadar_> k, thanks)
[18:48] <rsalveti> +1 on tagging quantal before switching to raring
[18:48] <ogra_> indeed
[18:49] <ogra_> so i would say lets switch phablet-flash on monday ... i'll put in some links for the android bits to make them raring, then lets give people time to test the new stuff until tue ...
[18:49] <ogra_> then move quantal images next to mwc and do the actual switch
[18:50] <t1mp> Wellark, mhall119 perhaps the HUD in MainView should be properly exposed so that developers use that one to add functions
[18:51] <pmcgowan> ogra_: what do you mean move quantal images next to mwc?
[18:52] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: in the tags for quantal
[18:52] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: in http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/quantal/
[18:52] <pmcgowan> so we add a new tag for the blessed image and keep the mwc image?
[18:52] <ogra_> pmcgowan, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/quantal/ creating a "last-build" or "last-image" here
[18:52] <pmcgowan> right
[18:52] <ogra_> next to mwc :)
[18:53] <pmcgowan> ack
[18:58] <mhall119> t1mp: that would be ideal, yes
[19:01] <t1mp> mhall119 / Wellark do you have a reference for a bug somewhere that you were trying to fix?
[19:02] <t1mp> mhall119 / Wellark I'm re-opening this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1129966 perhaps you can comment on it?
[19:03]  * t1mp eow
[19:07] <mhall119> thanks for your help t1mp
[19:26] <RobbyF> can i flash raring from phablet-flash?
[19:29] <pmcgowan> RobbyF: yes, sergiusens where are your raring instructions?
[19:30] <RobbyF> pmcgowan, care to share that secret command?
[19:30] <RobbyF> I've been doing it manually. prefer to do it faster is possible.
[19:30] <pmcgowan> http://sergiusens.github.io/posts/using-phablet-tools-to-install-raring-image.html
[19:30] <pmcgowan> is that what you have been doing?
[19:30] <sergiusens> that's what we have
[19:31] <RobbyF> I've just downloaded the .zip pushed and rebooted to recovery
[19:31] <pmcgowan> RobbyF: we are discussing moving over sometime soon
[19:31] <pmcgowan> so the default is raring
[19:31] <sergiusens> RobbyF: yeah that works too
[19:31] <sergiusens> once the switch is official, the tools will do the right thing
[19:32] <RobbyF> :) sounds good.
[19:38] <RobbyF> wow new raring feels really good
[19:42] <sergiusens> RobbyF: glad to hear
[19:43] <RobbyF> I was showing yesterdays latest quantal build to people at work today, They all love it. I work in mobile industry
[19:45] <pmcgowan> RobbyF: thats great to hear
[20:07] <mhall119> is this new ubuntu-mobile icon theme available in the device images?
[20:17] <h01ger> so the release notes say i should add ppa:phablet-team/ppa to sources.list - does that also mean that i need to install the ppa's listed as dependencies on https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa ?
[20:17] <h01ger> IOW: do PPAs have to be self contained or not? :)
[20:51] <h01ger> and shall i really use quantal for these ppas or rather raring?
[21:07] <mhall119> t1mp: Wellark: I got HUD working by overwriting __hud in my MainView, it's not pretty, but it works!
[21:08] <dank101> i need a kernel developer
[22:10] <bobweaver> does anyone know the size of phablet by default ?  example:  240x400x8
[23:43] <krabador> ok people, please help commyni
[23:43] <krabador> community on hardware support