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| AlanBell | Azelphur: weathering the bitcoin storm ok? | 07:32 |
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| TheOpenSourcerer | AlanBell: We have an interview in 20mins | 07:37 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 07:47 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: http://www.marshmallowpeeps.com/ ? | 07:48 |
| bigcalm | Hehe | 07:48 |
| bigcalm | MartijnVdS: a contraction of peoples ;) | 07:49 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: I know :) | 07:49 |
| bigcalm | But I do sometimes think of the edible peeps | 07:49 |
| MartijnVdS | Don't eat people! | 07:49 |
| bigcalm | Soilent Green is marshmallow peeps | 07:50 |
| popey | appropriate http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/damn-it-beth-brains-again/ | 07:50 |
| bigcalm | Hehe | 07:51 |
| bigcalm | popey: any movement on bug 1168160 ? | 07:51 |
| lubotu3 | bug 1168160 in popey "Hair cut required" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1168160 | 07:51 |
| popey | pfft | 07:51 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: you're a project now? :) | 07:51 |
| * bigcalm giggles# | 07:52 | |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Hope he's neat and tidy for the Beerex ;-) | 07:56 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer is wearing a suit & tie today - 1st time in EONS! | 07:56 | |
| TheOpenSourcerer | And it's not for work. It's for luncheon | 07:57 |
| bigcalm | Something to be said for working from home or a tech company that doesn't do much face to face with clients :) | 07:57 |
| bigcalm | Reminds me that I need new slippers | 07:57 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I can't think of any of our csutomers that wear suits. Was with a new one yesterday - T-Shirts & jeans all round | 07:58 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Lunch is at the Rugby Club :-D | 07:58 |
| bigcalm | Nothing funnier than a beefy sports person squeezed into a suit | 07:59 |
| bigcalm | Update from Citylink: Out for delivery - 12 April 2013 5:53:00. This is why packages don't get delivered | 08:00 |
| bigcalm | Hayley is coming to the RAT and it is definitely no longer a stag event. Hope this doesn't put anybody off | 08:03 |
| popey | outrage! | 08:07 |
| bigcalm | popey: I invited her as I thought we could make a long weekend of it. Visit my now pregnant sister in Salisbury and then the Mary Rose in Portsmouth | 08:08 |
| bigcalm | Sister is due around the date of the wedding. She apologised for the timing. Silly lass | 08:10 |
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| TheOpenSourcerer | bigcalm: They do allow women on the RAT - in fact their numbers have increased greatly over the years. BUt the newer models don't seem to have beards. I seem to recall daubers bringing his better half previously too. | 08:30 |
| bigcalm | o.O | 08:31 |
| bigcalm | TheOpenSourcerer: if you recall, Hayley was with us last year :) | 08:31 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | My recollection capacity is inversely proportional to the amount of beer I drink. | 08:32 |
| * bigcalm goes hunting for photos | 08:33 | |
| TheOpenSourcerer | What goes on tour... | 08:33 |
| popey | stays fuzzy | 08:34 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | lol | 08:34 |
| bigcalm | TheOpenSourcerer: not sure if you can see this page or not https://plus.google.com/photos/113834766641843352499/albums/5766438397337827793 | 08:34 |
| bigcalm | popey: living the dream :) | 08:36 |
| mungbean | why did i watch threads last night - man that was a grim film | 08:37 |
| cliftonts | Morning all | 08:37 |
| cliftonts | Buzzing in here as usual I see, hehe | 08:39 |
| popey | would you rather 100+ people said "morning" every time someone arrived? | 08:40 |
| cliftonts | Well, it's nice to feel noticed | 08:41 |
| Myrtti | welcome to IRC ;-) | 08:41 |
| Myrtti | we generally ignore each other | 08:41 |
| bigcalm | It's a special kind of love :) | 08:41 |
| popey | say something worth noticing ☻ | 08:42 |
| bigcalm | Ouch | 08:42 |
| cliftonts | I've come in here because I'm doing the most boring, long winded job in the world at the moment | 08:42 |
| cliftonts | ouch indeed! | 08:42 |
| Myrtti | mungbean: if I don't remember wrong, they might have shown Grave of the Fireflies some time ago. | 08:43 |
| Myrtti | it's probably not as grim as threads, but it got me seeing nightmares for a week. | 08:43 |
| bigcalm | Oh my, I couldn't watch the whole of Grave of the Fireflies | 08:44 |
| bigcalm | So sad :'( | 08:44 |
| Myrtti | ikr | 08:44 |
| bigcalm | I'm getting old, just had to google ikr | 08:44 |
| cliftonts | Hey, bigcalm. I used to try to contribute to bug reports and testing etc, bet you can't guess why I stopped | 08:45 |
| Myrtti | I've told dsample I'm willing to watch it with him, in the summer, in the morning of a beautiful day with something nice like a trip to a museum or a country fair or something planned for the rest of the day | 08:45 |
| bigcalm | Myrtti: why would you watch it a 2nd time? | 08:45 |
| BigRedS | cliftonts: I guess it wasn't because they were filling your mailbox with bugmail | 08:45 |
| mungbean | Myrtti: what's it about? | 08:46 |
| mungbean | similar stuff? | 08:46 |
| Myrtti | mungbean: two kids in Japan during WWII | 08:46 |
| mungbean | i was watching threads at 1am while feeding baby, wishing i was in bed 3 hrs previously | 08:46 |
| cliftonts | BigRedS: No, it's because I tend to find those 'in the know' are very abrupt and rude. I got fed up with having my head bitten off for trying to get involved and trying to be friendly. | 08:47 |
| mungbean | no one bites heads in here | 08:47 |
| popey | my spidey sense is tingling | 08:47 |
| Myrtti | tsk | 08:47 |
| popey | that looked like an incredibly uncloaked dig at me there cliftonts | 08:47 |
| cliftonts | I dunno mungbean, even something meant well and taken the wrong way can still put people off | 08:48 |
| Myrtti | guise, let's look at kittens | 08:48 |
| mungbean | thats why we have winky symbols ;) | 08:48 |
| Myrtti | http://imgur.com/r/aww/4xXKgVJ | 08:48 |
| cliftonts | popey, not specifically but your comments don't exactly make me feel welcome. It's something I've seen a lot off in Ubuntu circles over the last 6 years | 08:48 |
| mungbean | anywayyyyyy. | 08:49 |
| mungbean | can i get the mtp stuff thats in 13.04 in 12.04 easily? | 08:49 |
| popey | cliftonts: look at it from a point of view other than your own | 08:50 |
| popey | cliftonts: you arrive and almost every time make some snide comment within minutes | 08:50 |
| popey | we sit here all day and converse, and don't happen to throw out the red carpet and balloons the second you walk in | 08:50 |
| popey | you're reading too much into that. | 08:50 |
| cliftonts | Tell you what then, I won't bother having a sense of humor in future. Sorry for being an individual. | 08:51 |
| popey | pfft | 08:51 |
| mungbean | its not even monday. | 08:51 |
| Laney | tell you what, I'm feeling anxious because JamesTait hasn't told me what "day" it is yet | 08:51 |
| popey | eek! | 08:52 |
| Myrtti | I did try to pull you all to watching kittens. | 08:52 |
| Myrtti | oh well. | 08:52 |
| * Laney calls his mother | 08:52 | |
| Myrtti | I get +10points for trying | 08:52 |
| MartijnVdS | Laney: it's The first day of Cerealia | 08:52 |
| MartijnVdS | Laney: also, Commemoration of first human in space (Yuri Gagarin) | 08:52 |
| mungbean | his bot is broke | 08:52 |
| Laney | you usurper! | 08:52 |
| MartijnVdS | Laney: someone had to! | 08:54 |
| MartijnVdS | Laney: people were feeling UNEASE | 08:54 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all, happy Friday, and happy Walk On Your Wild Side Day! >:-) | 09:01 |
| JamesTait | MartijnVdS, I'm disappointed in you. | 09:01 |
| MartijnVdS | JamesTait: But.. Cerealia is a very important part of ancient Roman culture! | 09:01 |
| JamesTait | And Laney, how could you doubt me? Have I ever let you down? | 09:01 |
| Laney | I was getting worried something had happened to you! | 09:02 |
| JamesTait | MartijnVdS, I'm sure it is, but you could at least let me seat go cold before you try to sit in it. ;) | 09:02 |
| JamesTait | Laney, aw shucks! :-P | 09:02 |
| JamesTait | Laney, I never knew you cared! | 09:03 |
| Laney | ♥ | 09:03 |
| popey | get a room | 09:03 |
| mungbean | MartijnVdS: have you done a openwrt jobby using a usb->serial adapter? | 09:03 |
| JamesTait | Are you not feeling the love, popey? | 09:04 |
| popey | hah | 09:05 |
| Laney | he's jealous and wants some of the love | 09:05 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: yes, one of the "FTDI" ones that you tend to get when playing with Arduinos | 09:05 |
| * JamesTait offers popey a koeksister peace offering. | 09:07 | |
| mungbean | ARRGH Rev. A2 only: Some resistors (R264, R273, R275) are missing, so the serial port won't work. I've bridged them with solder (since I don't have access to SMT equipment), and it seems like it's working. This is not needed for rev. A3. | 09:07 |
| mungbean | looks like i wasted my time | 09:07 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: you don't have a soldering iron? | 09:10 |
| mungbean | not at work | 09:11 |
| MartijnVdS | aha :) | 09:11 |
| mungbean | and, tbh, its a rubbish AP | 09:11 |
| mungbean | i just wanted to play | 09:11 |
| MartijnVdS | get a WDR4300 ;) | 09:11 |
| mungbean | this was free | 09:12 |
| MartijnVdS | OK a 703n then (they're $15 on ebay) | 09:12 |
| mungbean | i don't understand tho: http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/d-link/dwl-2100ap#installing | 09:13 |
| mungbean | what it means by "press ESC until you get a boot prompt" ..esc where? | 09:13 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: in the terminal app :) | 09:13 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: you can do "screen /dev/ttyUSBx" for the USB-serial port (or /dev/ttyACMx, or whatever it becomes) | 09:13 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: then press ESC in that | 09:13 |
| MartijnVdS | you could attach a VT-100 and press esc on that, of course | 09:14 |
| mungbean | ah ok | 09:14 |
| mungbean | it wasn't clear | 09:14 |
| mungbean | you can do screen /dev/ttyUSB0? | 09:14 |
| mungbean | i thought u had to do minicom stuff? | 09:15 |
| * JamesTait just had to re-read that too, mungbean. | 09:15 | |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: yeah but minicom is a bit heavyweight, screen can do the same just fine | 09:15 |
| AlanBell | huh? screen can do that?? | 09:15 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: uhhuh :) | 09:15 |
| AlanBell | screen the byobu thing? | 09:15 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 | 09:16 |
| JamesTait | I was about to deduct 0.5 geek points from myself, but I see I'm not the only one. | 09:16 |
| MartijnVdS | or 9600.. or 57600, or whatever port :) | 09:16 |
| MartijnVdS | JamesTait: I'll take those geek points ;) | 09:16 |
| JamesTait | Bah! | 09:16 |
| bigcalm | I was about to say the same thing. Thought the xbee device I've been using runs at 9600. Wireless mesh is sloooooooooooooooooooooooow | 09:16 |
| MartijnVdS | http://www.vim-fu.com/using-screen-to-connect-to-a-serial-console/ | 09:16 |
| SuperMatt | wait wait wait... everyone try resizing a window in raring, while holding shift | 09:17 |
| MartijnVdS | SuperMatt: I resize using alt.. | 09:17 |
| bigcalm | SuperMatt: I'm on 12.10 and that was fun | 09:17 |
| SuperMatt | I KNOW RIGHT? | 09:17 |
| mungbean | we all learned something cool today MartijnVdS thanks | 09:18 |
| SuperMatt | that's clearly been there for longer than I was aware of, but dang it's good | 09:18 |
| mungbean | i work in a university, finding people willing to do soldering for me should be easy right? | 09:18 |
| JamesTait | SuperMatt, interesting! | 09:18 |
| SuperMatt | just head to the engineering department! | 09:19 |
| JamesTait | I can't think of a single reason I'd want to use that feature, but it's still interesting! | 09:19 |
| JamesTait | MartijnVdS, you can have my geek points, you're worthy of them. | 09:20 |
| JamesTait | I had no idea screen could do this. | 09:20 |
| Myrtti | wakka wakka | 09:20 |
| * directhex moos | 09:20 | |
| bigcalm | Time to get these UPS batteries fitted | 09:20 |
| Dave2 | It's not working in Xfwm I am disappointed :( | 09:21 |
| mungbean | heh bigcalm did that on weds | 09:21 |
| mungbean | live while the vmware infrastructure chugged away | 09:21 |
| bigcalm | mungbean: Ah, this is in an UPS that has to be unplugged and dismantled to replace things. It's not actually designed for the operation but people still do it. | 09:23 |
| mungbean | oh which make? a big jobby, or a rack mount one? | 09:23 |
| bigcalm | mungbean: I work from home. Some belkin thing | 09:24 |
| mungbean | oh. i don't actually have any serial pins. http://wiki.openwrt.org/_media/inbox/d-link/dwl-2100ap/serial_a2.png | 09:24 |
| bigcalm | I've been running without UPS for several months now. I couldn't take the stress any more and ordered new batteries | 09:25 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: that's the JTAG header | 09:25 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: the serial header should be next to it? | 09:25 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: ah yes, you solder headers onto those | 09:25 |
| Myrtti | Belkin :-( | 09:25 |
| mungbean | this is a fail | 09:25 |
| mungbean | gonna waste my time on something else | 09:25 |
| bigcalm | Myrtti: it's what the company bought me | 09:25 |
| mungbean | lucky the cable only cost £1.69 | 09:25 |
| bigcalm | Myrtti: and I feel the same way | 09:26 |
| mungbean | i want to snooze but there's someone else in the office atm | 09:28 |
| bigcalm | Haha | 09:28 |
| bigcalm | That never stopped my boss when we used to share an office | 09:28 |
| mungbean | snooze after lunch is acceptable, but 10.30? | 09:30 |
| SuperMatt | I could do with a snooze right now | 09:30 |
| mungbean | poor missis sacrificed some sleep so i could get 6hrs | 09:31 |
| mungbean | she had 4 | 09:31 |
| bigcalm | Quite often I fall asleep during my lunch break | 09:31 |
| JamesTait | 4 hours? She doesn't know how good she's got it! | 09:31 |
| JamesTait | When I were a lad.... | 09:31 |
| bigcalm | The above is one of many reasons that I'm glad we don't have children | 09:32 |
| mungbean | early days, shoud get better when sprog is > 4 months | 09:32 |
| JamesTait | http://youtu.be/Xe1a1wHxTyo | 09:33 |
| mungbean | but i do find myself liek this http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NjPGHZOm_b0/TevXfBmcruI/AAAAAAAACBg/ZYvPPRYN0d4/s1600/tumblr_lkxxp8abYX1qcalu5o1_500.jpg | 09:33 |
| JamesTait | Heheh. | 09:33 |
| JamesTait | It does look like I'm about to lose my weekend lie-ins. My eldest son has been having golf lessons at 9am on Saturday mornings, and now my youngest wants to start tennis lessons at 8:30 on Sunday mornings. | 09:36 |
| MartijnVdS | JamesTait: get them to play football instead ;) | 09:37 |
| JamesTait | I suppose I'm finally going to have to admit defeat and start going to bed earlier. | 09:37 |
| MartijnVdS | like a true old man | 09:37 |
| JamesTait | MartijnVdS, I tried, I really did - but they're just not interested in football. | 09:37 |
| mungbean | can't they learn on the playstation? | 09:38 |
| awilkins | Wifelet takes the offspring to church on Sunday morning.. I object to church, but I don't object to Sunday morning being peaceful | 09:38 |
| JamesTait | MartijnVdS, I can go off people, you know. ;) | 09:38 |
| mungbean | my son loves church as the higlight of his week (me too in fact) | 09:38 |
| MartijnVdS | awilkins: wow, people still do that? | 09:38 |
| awilkins | MartijnVdS, Yeah, religion is still endemic. A mostly benign parasitic disease of the mind (hey, at least it keeps some other diseases out) | 09:40 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 09:40 |
| mungbean | yo bro | 09:40 |
| mungbean | trying to find an alternative AP that supports {dd,open}wrt in the cupboar | 09:40 |
| brobostigon | morning mungbean | 09:40 |
| mungbean | linksys WAP4400n ...nope. what a lame AP | 09:41 |
| brobostigon | a rpi and a wifi apaptor that supports ap mode. | 09:41 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: is the control socket stuff working now? | 09:42 |
| mungbean | yeah was hoping for zero cost solution | 09:42 |
| mungbean | have to find sometihng else to learn today, like maybe backing up my stuff to amazon glacier | 09:42 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: yes, works fine, now need to work out that bridging, | 09:42 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: http://r.ebay.com/yYK8tO | 09:43 |
| JamesTait | Am I missing a link somewhere, or does ubuntuforums.org not accept OpenID auth from Ubuntu SSO? | 09:44 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections | 09:44 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: i am reading that as we speak, :) | 09:44 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: good :) | 09:44 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: :) | 09:45 |
| mungbean | MartijnVdS: what's the connection for the 3g? | 09:45 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: it explains the basics well, you can find the rest in the manual, or here: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/ | 09:45 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: It's just an USB port | 09:45 |
| mungbean | ah ok. stiull cute | 09:45 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: there's no 3G modem in the device, you have to attach one yourself | 09:46 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: ah, hadnt though about ldp, :) | 09:46 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: it's old but good :) | 09:46 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: :) | 09:46 |
| mungbean | just seen the lower pictures now | 09:46 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: this is one of the most hackable devices at the moment -- the OpenWRT wiki has complete pinouts of EVERYTHING on that tiny board :) | 09:47 |
| MartijnVdS | http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wr703n | 09:47 |
| hoover | hi folks | 09:47 |
| mungbean | is the flashing of openwrt straightforward? | 09:48 |
| hoover | just installed qemu-kvm on 12.10, now why can't I select virtio drivers in virt-manager for a guest? | 09:48 |
| hoover | cannot find anything related with apt-cache either | 09:48 |
| hoover | All I have available is ide, scsi and usb. | 09:48 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: yes, but you have to compile a snapshot yourself, because newer devices won't boot with the current latest Release candidate | 09:48 |
| hoover | hm, I think I'll check the qemu channel... | 09:51 |
| popey | mungbean: fwiw I had very little trouble with my netgear wndr 3700 | 09:55 |
| bigcalm | wndr 3700 \o/ | 09:57 |
| bigcalm | I still haven't got around to attempting to unbrick my wndr 3800 | 09:57 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 10:08 |
| bigcalm | Morning davmor2 | 10:09 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: had the discs replaced. Garage said that it was normal wear for 3 years of use | 10:09 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: Yay | 10:10 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: I got my broken wiper off, and am in the process of free up the spindle though that might take a few days. I also did some research and found out what the issue is too. The spindle is steel and the housing aluminium so it is corrosion over rust :( | 10:13 |
| bigcalm | Oh dear | 10:13 |
| mungbean | my dad used to have MOT wipers | 10:14 |
| bigcalm | I'm thinking my boot window lock switch is a wiring fault rather than fuse. If it were the fuse, the key fob wouldn't be able to unlock it | 10:14 |
| mungbean | brand new set he'd put on the day before MOT | 10:14 |
| bigcalm | Oh speaking of wipers. What's a good make to go for? I'm fed up of the constant smearing seen on mine and my lady's car | 10:15 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: no necessarily don't forget the switch needs power, where as the remote will just have a controller on the motor for release :) | 10:16 |
| bigcalm | Humm | 10:16 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: valeo | 10:16 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: I wish there was a Haynes manual for our car | 10:16 |
| davmor2 | there is I have one | 10:16 |
| bigcalm | Lies! | 10:17 |
| bigcalm | :O | 10:17 |
| bigcalm | There wasn't one the last time I looked (several months ago) | 10:17 |
| * bigcalm orders | 10:17 | |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: I had to go to halfords to get a new license plate for our trailer tent and saw it on offer so swiped it quick | 10:18 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: I'm booked in to have the DAB radio fitted on Monday. Will have a mooch then | 10:19 |
| bigcalm | Now to find one for Hayley's Huindai Matrix | 10:20 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: it was 16.99 rather than 20 odd | 10:20 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: http://www.haynes.com/mole | 10:21 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: nice | 10:21 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: they have the Toyota Matrix, not the Hyundai one | 10:22 |
| mungbean | correlation between work on raring and bugs in 12.04?https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2012.04&period=day | 10:22 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: http://ubuntuone.com/1oipmuRCKL1JJBFbPAk8Jv just to prove it covers ours :) | 10:23 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: I do believe you :) http://www.haynes.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=53659&langId=-1 | 10:24 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: that looks just like the picture on the front of mine ;) | 10:25 |
| bigcalm | Amazing eh? | 10:25 |
| bigcalm | Being ill has helped me loose a few extra pounds. I should get sick more often | 10:26 |
| SuperMatt | Being offered free pizza by papa johns has helped me put on a few extra pounds | 10:26 |
| SuperMatt | I really need to avoid papa johns | 10:26 |
| bigcalm | Hehe | 10:26 |
| * SuperMatt grumbles because a script he wrote, and was working perfectly on another machine, has decided not to work | 10:28 | |
| Myrtti | haha Peugeot | 10:28 |
| Myrtti | although I'd laugh even harder if it were Renault | 10:29 |
| popey | that lsb_release crash is hilarious | 10:29 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: nothing wrong with our cars and peugeot/citreon use Ubuntu in their plants :P | 10:30 |
| Myrtti | davmor2: McDonalds uses bacon in some of their food. it doesn't make McDonalds any better. | 10:30 |
| * bigcalm tickles Myrtti | 10:30 | |
| SuperMatt | are we arguing the merits of bacon? | 10:31 |
| davmor2 | SuperMatt: no jono loses everytime | 10:31 |
| Myrtti | no. French cars. | 10:31 |
| bigcalm | :( | 10:31 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: it's not Mine was built in Britain :P | 10:32 |
| SuperMatt | oh no, it must be bad-pun-o'clock | 10:32 |
| davmor2 | SuperMatt: Oh come on, an hour with jono or a bacon butty, you can't tell me jono is going to win | 10:33 |
| Myrtti | davmor2: so it's not *quite* as bad as French cars. | 10:33 |
| SuperMatt | mmm... bacon butty | 10:33 |
| davmor2 | told you | 10:33 |
| SuperMatt | we shouldn't talk about bacon | 10:33 |
| SuperMatt | because I'm trying to lose some poundage | 10:33 |
| SuperMatt | gonna go cycling tomorrow, assuming I can find the key for my D lock | 10:34 |
| SuperMatt | otherwise I'm walking all the way to the fabric shop | 10:34 |
| davmor2 | That's easy, buy it from a cafe you'll be a couple of pounds lighter than you went in with :) | 10:34 |
| SuperMatt | BAD PUNS | 10:34 |
| bigcalm | I'm already wondering what to have for lunch, not good | 10:35 |
| davmor2 | SuperMatt: indeed but I couldn't resist | 10:35 |
| SuperMatt | I think I'm going to shimmy to the nearest boots and pick up one of their cheap/healthy lunch deals | 10:35 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: Bacon and Bread and Brown Sauce | 10:35 |
| SuperMatt | except now it's raining | 10:36 |
| * SuperMatt shakes a fist at the gods | 10:36 | |
| bigcalm | davmor2: sausages in the freezer. Good idea, ta | 10:36 |
| SuperMatt | SMITE ME DOWN FOR I CANNOT LIVE IN THIS WET WORLD ANY MORE! | 10:36 |
| davmor2 | SuperMatt: that's why god gave you waterproofs :P | 10:36 |
| MartijnVdS | SuperMatt: http://www.just-eat.co.uk/ | 10:36 |
| SuperMatt | no gods supplied me with an anorak | 10:36 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: hahahaha | 10:36 |
| SuperMatt | my mum did once, but I never wore it | 10:37 |
| Myrtti | then again I kinda want a Mini if I ever get a licence to drive | 10:37 |
| Myrtti | or an old Saab | 10:37 |
| MartijnVdS | SuperMatt: so.. you're NOT an anorak then? | 10:37 |
| bigcalm | Just Eat is a joke. For my post code it returns 3 Indian restaurants and 1 Chinese take-away | 10:37 |
| Myrtti | something that I can learn to fix myself | 10:37 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: Saab 900 turbo it's the only one you can still get parts for :) | 10:38 |
| SuperMatt | bigcalm: the restaurants need to sign up | 10:38 |
| jacobw | Why a Saab? | 10:38 |
| MartijnVdS | because Scandinavia? | 10:38 |
| jacobw | Hmm | 10:38 |
| Myrtti | davmor2: yes. | 10:38 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS, Myrtti: you could always get a volvo :) | 10:39 |
| Myrtti | jacobw: because I'm inclined towards Volvos, VW's and Saabs. | 10:39 |
| Myrtti | davmor2: yes, it would work with my problem with left and right, as it says on the steering wheel which is which | 10:39 |
| bigcalm | Now variety has changed my background to doughnuts, cookies and muffins. ARGH | 10:39 |
| Myrtti | (it's an old Finnish joke: *V*asen for left and *O*ikea for right) | 10:40 |
| bigcalm | :D | 10:40 |
| MartijnVdS | IKEA? | 10:40 |
| * bigcalm got it | 10:40 | |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: got what | 10:41 |
| Myrtti | http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Volvo_steering_wheel.jpg | 10:41 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: the Finnish play on words | 10:41 |
| bigcalm | My desktop image: http://wallpapers.net/many_cookies-wallpapers.html :( | 10:41 |
| bigcalm | Humm, forgot to take my service record with me for the service yesterday. Looks like I'm going out at lunch today | 10:43 |
| BigRedS | bigcalm: most of those aren't cookies! I am most disappointed | 10:43 |
| bigcalm | BigRedS: the name is very misleading. | 10:43 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: you could always deselect the food ones :P | 10:44 |
| Myrtti | my wallpaper: https://plus.google.com/117058794763073546749/posts/6daZhLPHtk8 | 10:45 |
| MartijnVdS | Myrtti: ooh, shiny | 10:46 |
| MartijnVdS | Myrtti: this is mine: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/6816260055/in/set-72157629167894627/lightbox/ | 10:47 |
| davmor2 | this is my current one http://ubuntuone.com/65C2A5xIZswgrPn619Dc0i well on my main box any way on all the others it's the default :) | 10:49 |
| MartijnVdS | davmor2: Ubuntu 14.04 - Tasty Tiger? | 10:50 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: http://ubuntuone.com/28jkCVrUhgqIHmvenfI389 Terrifying Tiger | 10:51 |
| MartijnVdS | davmor2: Looks like a hot day. Toasty tiger? | 10:52 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: it was when ever I go to see them it seem to be the hottest day on earth | 10:54 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: I think it was 28c that day | 10:55 |
| bootkigftrgds1 | !textadept <-- sorry just seeing if this package is listed [ http://ppa.webupd8.org/post/47615409606/textadept-4-5-available-in-the-main-webupd8-ppa ] | 10:57 |
| lubotu3 | bootkigftrgds1: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 10:57 |
| bootkigftrgds1 | leaves | 10:57 |
| popey | someone should tell bootkigftrgds1 about /query lubotu3 | 10:58 |
| popey | and !info | 10:58 |
| directhex | and honey badgers | 10:58 |
| davmor2 | popey: someone should tell him about, apt-cache search, or usc, or apps.ubuntu.com/cat , or package.ubuntu.com ........................... | 10:59 |
| davmor2 | This just landed in my inbox with the title "What's new? Walnut, velvet and leather!" was about to hit the spam button till I realised it was Ikea :) | 11:02 |
| MartijnVdS | 8-) | 11:03 |
| popey | I should probably close a tab or two http://ubuntuone.com/1u99Qxy9CTsPjyT9yJRkxt | 11:07 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: s/two/& hundred/ | 11:08 |
| popey | thats just one window | 11:08 |
| JamesTait | popey, that's a very wide window. I have the same problem, but my tabs scroll. | 11:09 |
| Myrtti | well this was in my inbox today: https://plus.google.com/100016383867666174158/posts/dAu8DWBPGdg | 11:10 |
| * MartijnVdS rarely has >4 tabs open at once | 11:10 | |
| mungbean | !info nasty | 11:10 |
| JamesTait | While useful for keeping the tab titles readable, it doesn't help in demonstrating to me just how many tabs I still have open. | 11:10 |
| lubotu3 | nasty (source: nasty): A tool which helps you to recover your GPG passphrase. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.6-2 (quantal), package size 8 kB, installed size 68 kB | 11:10 |
| JamesTait | I usually realise how bad the situation has got when my machine starts swapping furiously and Firefox is using 3G RAM. | 11:11 |
| davmor2 | popey: at least you can see tabs :) | 11:11 |
| BigRedS | Ooh. Github drinkup in London tomorrow | 11:12 |
| MartijnVdS | BigRedS: speaking of github - http://starlogs.net/ | 11:13 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: does that mean you are already hitting seals? How do the double it do they provide you with a baseball bat :D You'd think they would check if it could be misinterpreted really wouldn't you :) | 11:14 |
| BigRedS | MartijnVdS: yeah, I've been sticking all my repos through that this morning :) | 11:14 |
| BigRedS | I think it'll start turning up in my "look how much work I did today" emails | 11:14 |
| MartijnVdS | haha :) | 11:15 |
| davmor2 | BigRedS: you don't won't github getting drunk really do you, I mean can you image what it would do with your code. Only buy pepsi's | 11:15 |
| BigRedS | Ooh, actually, it's not obvious how I can link to a particular repo in there | 11:16 |
| BigRedS | davmor2: it can't make it much worse... :) | 11:16 |
| MartijnVdS | BigRedS: hack on it - https://github.com/artemave/StarLogs | 11:16 |
| BigRedS | ( https://github.com/blog/1471-london-drinkup for anyone interested in Free beer in London ) | 11:16 |
| BigRedS | MartijnVdS: fork that! | 11:17 |
| MartijnVdS | BigRedS: Shouldn't we be calling people who work at/on/for Github "hubsters" | 11:17 |
| MartijnVdS | ? | 11:17 |
| MartijnVdS | "I cloned that project before it was cool" | 11:17 |
| BigRedS | " | 11:17 |
| MartijnVdS | "? | 11:18 |
| BigRedS | Want to hack on it? No problem. But first, it is not just Javascript and CSS. It is pogoscript and sass. Oh, and they require node.js and ruby respectively." | 11:18 |
| BigRedS | bah | 11:18 |
| BigRedS | newline fail :( | 11:18 |
| BigRedS | but, anyway, that's four things I don't know how to use and two things I don't like using | 11:18 |
| BigRedS | I'll just make another page that uses WWW::Mech or something :) | 11:18 |
| ali1234 | s........ass | 11:18 |
| BigRedS | I did misread/misinterpret that first as "Service As A Service" | 11:20 |
| MartijnVdS | BigRedS: 8-) | 11:21 |
| MartijnVdS | BigRedS: that sounds like a "dot-com" era business model | 11:21 |
| ali1234 | pogoscript looks truly terrible | 11:23 |
| ali1234 | it's basically ruby that compiles to javascript | 11:24 |
| BigRedS | ew | 11:42 |
| AlanBell | code that writes code is not happy code | 11:47 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: tell that to SkyNet | 11:50 |
| Darael | AlanBell: Tell that to a Lispnik. | 11:59 |
| BigRedS | most of my bash scripts are written by Perl scripts these days | 12:04 |
| MartijnVdS | BigRedS: eval "`what`"? | 12:05 |
| MartijnVdS | hm | 12:05 |
| MartijnVdS | eval `what` | 12:05 |
| MartijnVdS | might work better | 12:05 |
| BigRedS | I've been doing a bunch of migrationy stuff, so it's concocting lists of rsync and mysql(dump) invocations. I'm not confident enough to backtick it, so I write a shell script that I have a read over before running | 12:06 |
| hoover | cheers all | 12:14 |
| AlanBell | is there a way to allow a non-root user to dd stuff to an sd card?/ | 12:29 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: I think so | 12:30 |
| popey | speaking of which | 12:30 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: securely, or not? :) | 12:30 |
| popey | two USB 3.0 sticks just arrived | 12:30 |
| AlanBell | MartijnVdS: I just don't want to accidentally one day pick /dev/sda instead of /dev/sdb | 12:31 |
| AlanBell | it is only me doing it, I just want to protect myself from myself | 12:31 |
| popey | dont use dd then? | 12:31 |
| popey | use tools which dont let you do that | 12:31 |
| AlanBell | such as? | 12:32 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: setfacl -m u:alan:rw /dev/sdb :) | 12:32 |
| MartijnVdS | \o/ POSIX ACLs | 12:32 |
| popey | that depends what you're trying to do | 12:32 |
| popey | /dev/sdc: Timing cached reads: 11666 MB in 2.00 seconds = 5835.19 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 194 MB in 3.02 seconds = 64.22 MB/sec | 12:33 |
| popey | is that good? | 12:33 |
| popey | USB stick | 12:33 |
| MartijnVdS | it's not bad :) | 12:34 |
| AlanBell | Timing buffered disk reads: 58 MB in 3.08 seconds = 18.86 MB/sec | 12:34 |
| AlanBell | that is an SLC SD card | 12:35 |
| MartijnVdS | SLC? is that a brand or a speed rating? :) | 12:36 |
| AlanBell | it is the more reliable variety | 12:36 |
| AlanBell | single cell per bit | 12:37 |
| AlanBell | single bit per cell even | 12:37 |
| AlanBell | the posic acl trick isn't persistent :( | 12:39 |
| MartijnVdS | aha | 12:39 |
| MartijnVdS | it is if you put it in udev rules :) | 12:39 |
| AlanBell | works great once, but remove it and insert another and its /dev/sdb wen away | 12:39 |
| MartijnVdS | http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html | 12:39 |
| AlanBell | ok, that should work | 12:40 |
| Myrtti | why can't there be an open source password manager that integrates with the browsers and isn't totally pants | 12:40 |
| Myrtti | (first world problems yay) | 12:40 |
| mungbean | Myrtti: there is, so long as emacs is your browser | 12:41 |
| Myrtti | I haven't had emacs installed for few years now. | 12:41 |
| mungbean | i've gone my whole sysadmin life without using it. vim ftw | 12:42 |
| mungbean | i've known people who use it as a shell | 12:42 |
| mungbean | sick, twisted people | 12:42 |
| Myrtti | in other news | 12:42 |
| MartijnVdS | Myrtti: recovering addict? :) | 12:43 |
| Myrtti | no not really, I had specific uses for emacs which are now nonexistent | 12:44 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: it's called a pad and pen, it's also potable so you can use it on proprietary OS's too and mobiles........ | 12:51 |
| davmor2 | s/potable/portable | 12:51 |
| Myrtti | davmor2: keepass2 database I can synchronize to my mobile and other devices and it's portable... | 12:51 |
| bigcalm | potable sounds cuter | 12:52 |
| Myrtti | also crossplatform. | 12:52 |
| mgdm | yay, you could drink it | 12:52 |
| Myrtti | but it crashes a lot. | 12:52 |
| bigcalm | KeepAss2 is what we use at work | 12:52 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: shame on you | 12:53 |
| bigcalm | mgdm: how's WW? | 12:53 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: :D | 12:53 |
| Myrtti | davmor2: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Personal-Internet-Address-Password-Organizer/ here's for you. Secure as ever. | 12:54 |
| Myrtti | the reviews are golden | 12:54 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: Looking for something? We're sorry. The Web address you entered is not a functioning page on our site. Go to Amazon.co.uk's Home Page not so good here :) | 12:55 |
| Myrtti | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Personal-Internet-Address-Password-Organizer/dp/1441303251 | 12:55 |
| mungbean | solution is to make all your passwords Myrtti | 12:55 |
| mungbean | and make the username something like CorrectHorseBatteryStaple | 12:56 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: I love the guy who obviously have no sense of humour and has gone on a security rant :) | 12:58 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: I have seen those books available in shops :( | 12:58 |
| Myrtti | davmor2: sadly, the sarcastic review might not get the point across | 12:59 |
| davmor2 | they just need to put a lock on the book then it's secure right :D | 13:00 |
| Myrtti | well I suppose I should have expected totally inane banter when I just ranted and vented my own frustration myself. | 13:00 |
| Myrtti | thanks for not letting me forget. | 13:01 |
| Myrtti | (this moment brought to you by Keepass2 crashing and refusing to restart after said crash unless I relogin to my XFCE4 session) | 13:08 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: what you need is one of these with MY PASSWORDS written on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wk-YaHmP6k | 13:12 |
| bigcalm | `.` | 13:15 |
| mungbean | running my first amazon glacier backup \o/ | 13:23 |
| MartijnVdS | is it slow? | 13:23 |
| SuperMatt | are there any good glacier tools for linux yet? | 13:24 |
| mungbean | SuperMatt: i run a script called mt-aws-glacier | 13:26 |
| mungbean | e.g i have photos in folders 2000-2013 | 13:26 |
| mungbean | make tar file of each folder and copy them to a tars folder | 13:27 |
| mungbean | run the mts-aws-glacier sync script and tell it which vault to put them in | 13:27 |
| mungbean | MartijnVdS: dunno how slow yet | 13:27 |
| mungbean | i suspect there may be a 100MB switch somewhere on my route out to the net , otherwise i'd be rocking 1GB | 13:28 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: nah glaciers move slowly, was my point | 13:33 |
| mungbean | hohoho cold storage, rather than slow moving land mass | 13:35 |
| mungbean | you only really pay when you extract it | 13:35 |
| MartijnVdS | aha | 13:35 |
| bigcalm | Do you pay to list content? | 13:35 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: if you do then you could always write a script that kept a local copy | 13:36 |
| davmor2 | local list even | 13:37 |
| mungbean | bigcalm: who's that qu for? | 13:37 |
| bigcalm | mungbean: whomever wants to answer it :) | 13:38 |
| bigcalm | mungbean: you I guess | 13:38 |
| mungbean | if its amazon glacier, you pay v small amount to upload, e.g. few $$ to upload 100GB | 13:38 |
| mungbean | and similar amount to retain there | 13:38 |
| mungbean | for the year | 13:38 |
| mungbean | LISTVAULTS, GETJOBOUTPUT, DELETE† and all other Requests = free | 13:39 |
| bigcalm | What's the caveat with the †? | 13:40 |
| mungbean | † Glacier is designed with the expectation that retrievals are infrequent and unusual, and data will be stored for extended periods of time. You can retrieve up to 5% of your average monthly storage (pro-rated daily) for free each month. If you choose to retrieve more than this amount of data in a month, you are charged a retrieval fee starting at $0.011 per gigabyte. Learn more. In addition, there is a pro-rated charge of $0.033 per gigabyte | 13:40 |
| mungbean | http://aws.amazon.com/glacier/pricing/ | 13:40 |
| bigcalm | I see, thanks | 13:41 |
| mungbean | cheap as chips, especially if u don't expect to retrieve it | 13:42 |
| MartijnVdS | encrypt before storing it though.. yay US laws | 13:43 |
| mungbean | you can store in ireland | 13:43 |
| MartijnVdS | yes, but Amazon is still a US company | 13:46 |
| MartijnVdS | and forced to hand over data if the US gov't asks for it | 13:46 |
| MartijnVdS | http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57556674/patriot-act-can-obtain-data-in-europe-researchers-say/ | 13:46 |
| mungbean | has anyone used the google play magazines app? | 13:47 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: currents? I found it lacking in content. | 13:47 |
| mungbean | no | 13:47 |
| mungbean | for reading purchased magazines | 13:47 |
| mungbean | there's a dedicated "zinio type" app in the store | 13:49 |
| mungbean | wondered what sort of format the magz were stored in for offline reading | 13:49 |
| Myrtti | yes | 13:49 |
| Myrtti | it's nice | 13:49 |
| mungbean | better than zinio? | 13:50 |
| Myrtti | don't know about zinio | 13:50 |
| mungbean | i'm more interested how i could keep the magazine for posterity, DRM free | 13:50 |
| mungbean | any idea Myrtti ? | 13:53 |
| mungbean | are they stored as encrypted pdfs or some other nasty format? | 13:54 |
| Myrtti | I have no idea, they're there and they've got both the look-a-like and the mobile version of the magazine | 13:57 |
| mungbean | i'm worried that when the app goes away, we can't see the magazine anymore | 13:57 |
| popey | have you tried those zinio decryption tools? | 14:00 |
| mungbean | there are none | 14:00 |
| mungbean | (that i've found) | 14:00 |
| mungbean | there's also something called pocketmags, another contender | 14:05 |
| mungbean | nitro is pretty app :D | 14:10 |
| mungbean | what's not to like? | 14:11 |
| mgdm | bigcalm: so far so good | 14:21 |
| ali1234 | what do you see on this webpage? http://isnamecoinworkingornot.bit.namecoin-suffix.dot-bit.org/ | 14:55 |
| ali1234 | ah, the wrong site, i see | 14:56 |
| shauno | I get 'just another wordpress site' | 14:57 |
| ali1234 | yeah that's my webpage | 14:57 |
| ali1234 | what's the difference between ServerName and ServerAlias (apache)? | 14:59 |
| SuperMatt | server name is the definitive name, server alias is other aliases that the virtual host can listen for | 15:01 |
| SuperMatt | basically, you can listen for www.server.tld, and server.tld, and whatever.server.tld | 15:02 |
| ali1234 | yeah i get that, but what difference does it actually make, in practice? | 15:03 |
| ali1234 | if i have 1 name and 1 alias, and i swap them over, what changes in practice? | 15:03 |
| mungbean | probably security cert issues? | 15:05 |
| mungbean | (guess) | 15:06 |
| ali1234 | ah, i see. anything else? cos i'm not using certs | 15:06 |
| mungbean | whats the best way to get started on openstack? | 15:26 |
| jacobw | Hang yourself | 15:27 |
| BigRedS | ali1234: nothing at all | 15:27 |
| mungbean | :-| | 15:27 |
| BigRedS | servername can have only one argument | 15:27 |
| BigRedS | serveraliases many | 15:27 |
| BigRedS | other than that, there's no real distinction | 15:27 |
| BigRedS | oh, and any vhost must have a servername, serveraliases are optional | 15:27 |
| * SuperMatt nods | 15:28 | |
| BigRedS | but it doesn't affect anything with certs, either | 15:28 |
| BigRedS | we generally have a servername of the form <user>.<fqdn> and then add aliases as real domains are made to resolve to the right place | 15:28 |
| BigRedS | so within about a week nobody ever visits the vhost via the servername | 15:29 |
| BigRedS | and there's never been a side-effect | 15:29 |
| popey | mungbean: what do you want to do with openstack? | 15:41 |
| SuperMatt | OMG | 15:59 |
| SuperMatt | an update to evolution | 15:59 |
| SuperMatt | I can finally see my calendar entries! | 15:59 |
| directhex | SuperMatt, 3.6.4? | 16:04 |
| Laney | that's the one | 16:04 |
| Laney | thanks to YOU, JO SHIELDS! | 16:04 |
| directhex | now to wait for delicious backports! | 16:04 |
| SuperMatt | directhex: yuppers! | 16:05 |
| SuperMatt | is there much changed in 3.8? | 16:05 |
| directhex | i'm scared of evolution updates, since they break so much in their major versions | 16:05 |
| directhex | 2.6 was unusable before 3.6.4 | 16:05 |
| Laney | huh, I don't see 3.6.4 in quantal-proposed unapproved | 16:05 |
| Laney | thought he uploaded it | 16:06 |
| directhex | i got the email | 16:06 |
| directhex | it's been approved | 16:06 |
| directhex | wait, that's raring | 16:06 |
| Laney | indeed | 16:06 |
| directhex | so no, i've seen nothing for quantal | 16:06 |
| directhex | SCANDALOUS | 16:07 |
| Laney | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/1158367 | 16:08 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu bug 1158367 in evolution (Ubuntu Quantal) " [SRU] [MRE] evolution 3.6.4" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:08 |
| Laney | five and subscribe | 16:08 |
| MindCrash | i am installing latest version of minitube and i am halfway through getting the right .so files for it, is there anyway i can produce a list of the rest of the .so files it needs? | 17:17 |
| popey | ldd <filename> | 17:18 |
| popey | can you not just apt-get it? | 17:18 |
| MindCrash | cool only 13 files left :-) now is there any way i can apt-get those and make sure they all go in usr/lib? | 17:20 |
| popey | why not just "sudo apt-get install minitube" ? | 17:23 |
| MindCrash | because you get a version that doesnt work but after a google of the prob it suggested manually installing a more recent version(which I have had working on another distro) | 17:24 |
| popey | what version doesn't work? | 17:24 |
| MindCrash | 1.6 | 17:26 |
| popey | you could try the 1.9 deb from quantal? | 17:26 |
| popey | http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/amd64/minitube/download or http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/i386/minitube/download depending on your architecture | 17:26 |
| popey | much easier / safer than faffing manually with libraries | 17:26 |
| MindCrash | will try that later, but is there anyway to download and control place of install of libraries? | 17:28 |
| popey | well, no, because that's not "the right way" of doing it | 17:28 |
| MindCrash | hmmmm :-) | 17:29 |
| MindCrash | many thanks for your help i will try your suggestion :-) | 17:31 |
| Myrtti | goddammit Keepass2 | 17:58 |
| Lil-|^Red | MMmm .. OT| It's been a long day today .. Just one more time, though. | :: http://youtu.be/eYDvxo-M0OQ?t=3m45s | 18:28 |
| === victor9098_ is now known as victor9098 | ||
| Myrtti | mungbean: did you notice that there's free magazine trials on Google Play? | 18:53 |
| Myrtti | including Linux Format | 18:53 |
| mungbean | cgeeers Myrtti | 19:18 |
| DJones | I wonder if the £6.99/month "handset insurance" offered by all the mobile phone shops would cover this for damage or theft? http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/50858/iphone-5-black-diamond-10-million-pounds | 19:47 |
| brobostigon | new HIGNFY at 9pm, bbc1, | 19:57 |
| popey | DJones: friend of mine used to work for vertu - the people who took nokia phone guts and put bling on them.. | 20:04 |
| popey | was insane the amount of money people would pay for them | 20:04 |
| popey | there was one model which had a black/white/grey screen and another identical one that had a colour screen | 20:04 |
| popey | they were actually the same phone with a software change | 20:05 |
| popey | some premiership footballer went in to their store and said he didnt like having the grey one, could he swap for a colour one... they did a software update and charged him $$$ to do it | 20:05 |
| DJones | That doesn't surprise me (the footballer paying to have something done, that is) | 20:06 |
| brobostigon | lol | 20:07 |
| popey | I had a play with one a while back, they're bonkers | 20:07 |
| ali1234 | to be fair vertu comes with 24 hour concierge service | 20:08 |
| popey | and they are hand built | 20:08 |
| ali1234 | it's not just a gold plated phone | 20:08 |
| DJones | For a £10M phone upgrade, I'd want 24/7 armed security guards included, not just a concierge | 20:09 |
| ali1234 | they don't cost £10M, they cost £10K | 20:09 |
| popey | he's talking about the iphone | 20:10 |
| mungbean | brobostigon: when you said HIGNY i thought meh | 20:10 |
| mungbean | but i just turned on and BRIAN BLESSED is doing it! | 20:10 |
| popey | indeed | 20:10 |
| ali1234 | oh right, well, iphone *shrug* | 20:10 |
| brobostigon | mungbean: HIGNFY :) | 20:10 |
| * popey is watching delayed | 20:10 | |
| brobostigon | mungbean: they always have good people to present it, | 20:10 |
| mungbean | mostly meh, but BB rocks | 20:11 |
| popey | i prefer the news quiz tbh | 20:11 |
| * popey likes Jeremy Hardy | 20:11 | |
| mungbean | when is HIGNGFYN repeated? | 20:11 |
| mungbean | remember angus deayton? | 20:11 |
| popey | ya | 20:11 |
| brobostigon | yep. | 20:11 |
| mungbean | usually coke and loose women improve tv careerrs | 20:12 |
| mungbean | ugh ken livingston..turning over | 20:12 |
| mungbean | wondering if the isaac newton prog will be a character assassination | 20:12 |
| popey | haha, love the changelog for bug 1163504 from xnox | 20:16 |
| lubotu3 | bug 1163504 in lubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu Raring) "Trademarked assets" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1163504 | 20:16 |
| popey | including the unicode ™ symbol ☻ | 20:16 |
| mungbean | man at the 2nd hand bookshop keeps finding books he knows i will buy, and puts them outside the shop so i will see them | 20:17 |
| popey | </paranoia> | 20:17 |
| mungbean | knowing i won't resist | 20:17 |
| popey | similarly steam keep showing me games they know I cant resist | 20:17 |
| mungbean | its not really paranoia because he's picking them out for me | 20:18 |
| mungbean | then he says he's got more in the back i'm like noooo | 20:19 |
| mungbean | i just know there will be another good one on monday for me | 20:19 |
| mungbean | big coffee table sized | 20:19 |
| popey | hah | 20:19 |
| mungbean | missis keeps noticing i've bought 4 big coffee size books this week | 20:20 |
| popey | cheap tho? | 20:20 |
| mungbean | yes | 20:20 |
| mungbean | £2 | 20:20 |
| mungbean | stuff like this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Battle-Britain-Richard-Townshend-Bickers/dp/0130838098 | 20:21 |
| popey | thats the kind of thing my father in law likes | 20:22 |
| mungbean | it satisfies a lot of brain areas like trivia, history, strategy, equipment, stories, epic tales, aircraft. | 20:22 |
| mungbean | popey: i bet he watches Yesterday channel a lot then? | 20:25 |
| popey | dunno actually | 20:25 |
| mungbean | anyone using their hp microserver for audio aswell? | 20:29 |
| diplo | not me | 20:34 |
| popey | not I | 20:34 |
| diplo | storage/streaming | 20:34 |
| popey | playing with juju on mine | 20:34 |
| popey | also added daap to it for sharing music | 20:34 |
| ali1234 | who was askin about openstack earlier? | 20:36 |
| popey | mungbean: | 20:36 |
| ali1234 | so, did you get anywhere? | 20:36 |
| mungbean | ali1234: i spent the afternoon backing up my data to amazon glacier instead | 20:37 |
| mungbean | but if work is quiet next week i wanna get started on openstack | 20:37 |
| mungbean | thought there might be a tldr guide to getting started | 20:38 |
| ali1234 | i kind of want to put openstack onto our dedi | 20:38 |
| ali1234 | well, maas and juju | 20:38 |
| mungbean | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Getting_Started | 20:38 |
| ali1234 | we are not really utilizing it at the moment because it's too hard installing many different things into a single system and fixing the conflicts | 20:38 |
| * Laney meows | 20:39 | |
| ali1234 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuCloudInfrastructure is a better howto | 20:39 |
| mungbean | i don't have dev infrastructure but i have a room full of spare PCs | 20:39 |
| mungbean | by dev infratructure i mean blades+SAN | 20:40 |
| Myrtti | apparently plusnet is a bit broken... | 20:40 |
| Myrtti | https://portal.plus.net/supportpages.html?a=212 | 20:40 |
| AlanBell | Myrtti: mine is fine | 20:41 |
| diplo | https://portal.plus.net/supportpages.html?a=2&support_action=messages&ispservice_id=adsldial | 20:44 |
| diplo | BT wholesale network outage | 20:44 |
| mungbean | ali1234: how would you propose installing ubuntu on all the nodes first? | 20:50 |
| mungbean | i usually use kickstart for centos installs | 20:50 |
| popey | that's what MAAS is for | 20:53 |
| ali1234 | i don't know, i only have one server, so... | 20:53 |
| mungbean | ah, there's a section on the section about it | 20:53 |
| mungbean | Install the MAAS server | 20:54 |
| mungbean | Install Juju | 20:54 |
| mungbean | Deploy Ubuntu Cloud Infrastructure with Juju | 20:54 |
| popey | Daviey gave a great demo of exactly that at UDS in may last year | 20:54 |
| mungbean | are they proposing shared storage or gluster? | 20:55 |
| * Daviey hides | 20:55 | |
| mungbean | i may have big use case for this stuff soon | 20:55 |
| AlanBell | best demo evar | 20:55 |
| mungbean | linky pls? | 20:56 |
| popey | https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m3utPU99Wgg#t=35m00s | 20:58 |
| Daviey | popey: 'thanks' | 20:59 |
| ali1234 | broken :( | 20:59 |
| ali1234 | working now, weird | 20:59 |
| mungbean | thx | 21:00 |
| * Azelphur dodged the recent BTC crash like a boss, lost around £20 tops. | 21:05 | |
| AlanBell | nice, time to buy in again? | 21:07 |
| popey | Azelphur: did you see I gave your twitter nick to a journo ⍨ | 21:08 |
| Azelphur | popey: I did just notice that, yea | 21:09 |
| Azelphur | I wouldn't mind going and talking to him, but right now I don't have my business or anything declared yet so would prefer to cover my ass | 21:09 |
| Azelphur | also I have like £200 in BTC at the moment, although I have £10,000 sitting with my broker in London | 21:10 |
| lpapp | hi, is there an off-topic channel? | 21:10 |
| Azelphur | !offtopic | lpapp | 21:10 |
| lubotu3 | lpapp: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! | 21:10 |
| AlanBell | there is #ubuntu-offtopic | 21:10 |
| lpapp | Azelphur: I would like to have UK related offtopic questions. :) | 21:10 |
| * Azelphur shrugs | 21:11 | |
| diplo | It's off topic 90% of the time in here :D | 21:11 |
| lpapp | :-) | 21:11 |
| lpapp | I was just wondering if it was possible in the UK to get an unlimited internet data package if I top up a prepay three sim card with 20 euros, i.e. just like here in Ireland? | 21:12 |
| diplo | Giffgaff do a unlimited data package i think on it's own, defo do one with texts/calls etc | 21:13 |
| mungbean | tethered or not? | 21:13 |
| mungbean | untethered then £12pm | 21:14 |
| mungbean | the tethered one is 10pm but limited to 1gb | 21:14 |
| lpapp | I will go to the UK for two weeks, and it would be nice to get an unlimited data package with a prepay sim card that I will buy in there. | 21:14 |
| lpapp | what does it mean "pm" in this context? | 21:15 |
| mungbean | per month | 21:15 |
| lpapp | pounds / month? | 21:15 |
| lpapp | ok. | 21:15 |
| lpapp | well, prepay is nothing like pm. | 21:15 |
| lpapp | that is the advantage of it. | 21:15 |
| mungbean | giffgaff is rolling monthly contract | 21:15 |
| ali1234 | bah i don't understand this at all | 21:15 |
| mungbean | hence you just pay for 1 month | 21:15 |
| diplo | Well not a contract | 21:15 |
| diplo | well i suppose it is :) | 21:15 |
| lpapp | well, three does not have any contract over here. | 21:16 |
| diplo | It's good anyhoo | 21:16 |
| lpapp | it is truly prepay. | 21:16 |
| mungbean | its just not slavery like tmob et al | 21:16 |
| diplo | Don't think you can get that much over here now | 21:16 |
| ali1234 | why is it recommended that maas has at least 6 nodes? | 21:18 |
| lpapp | I will ask the three customer support. | 21:18 |
| lpapp | service* | 21:18 |
| lpapp | 1 GB is not too much in this modern world. | 21:18 |
| mungbean | is this for tethered? | 21:19 |
| lpapp | tethered means? | 21:19 |
| lpapp | like a hotspot? | 21:19 |
| lpapp | yes, sure, I would use it on my laptop. | 21:19 |
| mungbean | http://giffgaff.com/goodybags/3gb-mobile-broadband | 21:20 |
| lpapp | or on my phone. | 21:20 |
| mungbean | 3gb for £12.50 | 21:20 |
| lpapp | oh btw, and forgot to mention: 20 EUR, but the data package is for free. | 21:20 |
| lpapp | you can still use the 20 EUR for voice calls. | 21:20 |
| lpapp | I need truly unlimited. :) | 21:20 |
| mungbean | if u want i can PM you a giffgaff affialite link then u also get £5 for PAYG calls too | 21:20 |
| mungbean | added on | 21:21 |
| lpapp | I do not wanna run out of the limitation in a few days by watching youtube continuously for instance. | 21:21 |
| mungbean | i think three do "unlimited" in UK too but unsure of monthly or annual contract | 21:21 |
| lpapp | it is all prepay in Ireland. No contracts involved. | 21:21 |
| lpapp | you buy a top up, and then you invoke the vouchure code, and that is pretty much it. | 21:22 |
| lpapp | you do not have to sign anything whatsoever. | 21:22 |
| lpapp | if I need to download a 4-5 GB image, that 3 GB is gone very quickly. :-) | 21:23 |
| mungbean | on 3g? lol | 21:23 |
| lpapp | yes, an overnight. | 21:24 |
| mungbean | would take me all week | 21:24 |
| lpapp | I do not buy that. | 21:24 |
| lpapp | been doing this for 1-2 years now. | 21:24 |
| lpapp | and like I said, with three, the internet is free as you can still use your credits. | 21:25 |
| mungbean | http://www.three.co.uk/Store/SIM/Pay_As_You_Go | 21:25 |
| mungbean | Pay As You Go plans do not allow tethering. If you would like to tether, you will need to choose a Pay Monthly plan and / or an Add-On that does allow tethering. | 21:26 |
| lpapp | All-in-One 15 Add-on. -> sounds like a plan. | 21:28 |
| lpapp | whatever the 15 means. | 21:28 |
| lpapp | I guess it refers to pounds. | 21:28 |
| lpapp | I am not sure that cannot be hacked around. :) | 21:28 |
| Myrtti | what I do is to have the three prepaid and then order the month Internet addon | 21:28 |
| lpapp | Likely, they write the same in Ireland as well. | 21:29 |
| Myrtti | it's 2GB or so | 21:29 |
| mungbean | are there subsequent ubuntu cloud server releases since 12.04? | 21:32 |
| lpapp | Myrtti: which add-on? | 21:34 |
| Myrtti | the website is sooooooper confusing | 21:37 |
| Myrtti | I can't even find the pricing or more information from the website now | 21:42 |
| lpapp | so the operator can block the tethering (hotspot)? | 21:45 |
| Darael | lpapp: No. But they can look at the usage and conclude that it's highly unlikely it's all from the phone (in the case of Android phones, possibly ask for a screenshot of the data usage history screen?) and call it a breach of contract unless the person can demonstrate it was in fact all from the phone. | 21:47 |
| lpapp | never had such issues, and been using it like that for 1-2 years. | 21:49 |
| lpapp | also, youtube is quite popular on phones as well, so it is not all that unlikely. | 21:50 |
| mungbean | it woukld prob take a few months for them to do this first | 21:50 |
| Darael | They'd probably only bother with people who were going *way* over whatever their fair use policy cap was on a regular basis. | 21:52 |
| lpapp | unlimited is unlimited. | 21:53 |
| lpapp | fair usage is unlimited. | 21:53 |
| ali1234 | lol | 21:53 |
| diplo | GiffGaff did that to abusers, people who would downloading 15GB + a month | 22:04 |
| lpapp | yes, I just heard that from my friend. | 22:05 |
| mungbean | good thing imo | 22:07 |
| magpie | does anyone know how to limit the amount of cpu lxdm-binary rinses? | 22:07 |
| mungbean | optimize it no, but you can use nice/renice to decrease priority | 22:18 |
| mungbean | how much is it using magpie | 22:19 |
| mungbean | is it bug 922363 | 22:20 |
| lubotu3 | bug 892683 in lxdm (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #922363 lxdm-binary load 100% cpu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/892683 | 22:20 |
| magpie | 24% | 22:21 |
| magpie | bare in mind i have a 4 core | 22:21 |
| magpie | mungbean i seen the bug | 22:21 |
| mungbean | i mean bug 892683 | 22:22 |
| lubotu3 | bug 892683 in lxdm (Ubuntu) "lxdm-binary load 100% cpu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/892683 | 22:22 |
| magpie | i'm not sure how to fix it though | 22:22 |
| mungbean | 24% of 4Core = 100 of 1 cpu | 22:22 |
| magpie | yeah that's right | 22:22 |
| magpie | it's using my second core | 22:22 |
| magpie | weird that | 22:23 |
| mungbean | are u using ecryotfs | 22:23 |
| mungbean | are u using ecryptfs | 22:23 |
| magpie | someone's put a patch mungbean how would i apply it? | 22:23 |
| magpie | i think so yeah | 22:23 |
| magpie | my home is encrypted | 22:23 |
| magpie | i read somewhere that htis was a problem for it | 22:24 |
| mungbean | yes | 22:24 |
| mungbean | theres a patch for lxdm | 22:24 |
| magpie | do you know how i can apply it? | 22:26 |
| mungbean | if nobody has built it u need to recompile lxdm | 22:27 |
| magpie | will this not work http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/appy-patch-file-using-patch-command/ | 22:27 |
| mungbean | sorry putting baby to sleep now, someone else in here should be ale to help with patch & compile | 22:28 |
| magpie | ok i'm gunna try link first n see where that takes me | 22:32 |
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