[07:32] <AlanBell> Azelphur: weathering the bitcoin storm ok?
[07:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: We have an interview in 20mins
[07:47] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[07:48] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: http://www.marshmallowpeeps.com/ ?
[07:48] <bigcalm> Hehe
[07:49] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: a contraction of peoples ;)
[07:49] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I know :)
[07:49] <bigcalm> But I do sometimes think of the edible peeps
[07:49] <MartijnVdS> Don't eat people!
[07:50] <bigcalm> Soilent Green is marshmallow peeps
[07:50] <popey> appropriate http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/damn-it-beth-brains-again/
[07:51] <bigcalm> Hehe
[07:51] <bigcalm> popey: any movement on bug 1168160 ?
[07:51] <popey> pfft
[07:51] <MartijnVdS> popey: you're a project now? :)
[07:52]  * bigcalm giggles#
[07:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hope he's neat and tidy for the Beerex ;-)
[07:56]  * TheOpenSourcerer is wearing a suit & tie today - 1st time in EONS!
[07:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> And it's not for work. It's for luncheon
[07:57] <bigcalm> Something to be said for working from home or a tech company that doesn't do much face to face with clients :)
[07:57] <bigcalm> Reminds me that I need new slippers
[07:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> I can't think of any of our csutomers that wear suits. Was with a new one yesterday - T-Shirts & jeans all round
[07:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> Lunch is at the Rugby Club :-D
[07:59] <bigcalm> Nothing funnier than a beefy sports person squeezed into a suit
[08:00] <bigcalm> Update from Citylink: Out for delivery - 12 April 2013 5:53:00. This is why packages don't get delivered
[08:03] <bigcalm> Hayley is coming to the RAT and it is definitely no longer a stag event. Hope this doesn't put anybody off
[08:07] <popey> outrage!
[08:08] <bigcalm> popey: I invited her as I thought we could make a long weekend of it. Visit my now pregnant sister in Salisbury and then the Mary Rose in Portsmouth
[08:10] <bigcalm> Sister is due around the date of the wedding. She apologised for the timing. Silly lass
[08:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> bigcalm: They do allow women on the RAT - in fact their numbers have increased greatly over the years. BUt the newer models don't seem to have beards. I seem to recall daubers bringing his better half previously too.
[08:31] <bigcalm> o.O
[08:31] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: if you recall, Hayley was with us last year :)
[08:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> My recollection capacity is inversely proportional to the amount of beer I drink.
[08:33]  * bigcalm goes hunting for photos
[08:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> What goes on tour...
[08:34] <popey> stays fuzzy
[08:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[08:34] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: not sure if you can see this page or not https://plus.google.com/photos/113834766641843352499/albums/5766438397337827793
[08:36] <bigcalm> popey: living the dream :)
[08:37] <mungbean> why did i watch threads last night - man that was a grim film
[08:37] <cliftonts> Morning all
[08:39] <cliftonts> Buzzing in here as usual I see, hehe
[08:40] <popey> would you rather 100+ people said "morning" every time someone arrived?
[08:41] <cliftonts> Well, it's nice to feel noticed
[08:41] <Myrtti> welcome to IRC ;-)
[08:41] <Myrtti> we generally ignore each other
[08:41] <bigcalm> It's a special kind of love :)
[08:42] <popey> say something worth noticing ☻
[08:42] <bigcalm> Ouch
[08:42] <cliftonts> I've come in here because I'm doing the most boring, long winded job in the world at the moment
[08:42] <cliftonts> ouch indeed!
[08:43] <Myrtti> mungbean: if I don't remember wrong, they might have shown Grave of the Fireflies some time ago.
[08:43] <Myrtti> it's probably not as grim as threads, but it got me seeing nightmares for a week.
[08:44] <bigcalm> Oh my, I couldn't watch the whole of Grave of the Fireflies
[08:44] <bigcalm> So sad :'(
[08:44] <Myrtti> ikr
[08:44] <bigcalm> I'm getting old, just had to google ikr
[08:45] <cliftonts> Hey, bigcalm. I used to try to contribute to bug reports and testing etc, bet you can't guess why I stopped
[08:45] <Myrtti> I've told dsample I'm willing to watch it with him, in the summer, in the morning of a beautiful day with something nice like a trip to a museum or a country fair or something planned for the rest of the day
[08:45] <bigcalm> Myrtti: why would you watch it a 2nd time?
[08:45] <BigRedS> cliftonts: I guess it wasn't because they were filling your mailbox with bugmail
[08:46] <mungbean> Myrtti: what's it about?
[08:46] <mungbean> similar stuff?
[08:46] <Myrtti> mungbean: two kids in Japan during WWII
[08:46] <mungbean> i was watching threads at 1am while feeding baby, wishing i was in bed 3 hrs previously
[08:47] <cliftonts> BigRedS: No, it's because I tend to find those 'in the know' are very abrupt and rude. I got fed up with having my head bitten off for trying to get involved and trying to be friendly.
[08:47] <mungbean> no one bites heads in here
[08:47] <popey> my spidey sense is tingling
[08:47] <Myrtti> tsk
[08:47] <popey> that looked like an incredibly uncloaked dig at me there cliftonts
[08:48] <cliftonts> I dunno mungbean, even something meant well and taken the wrong way can still put people off
[08:48] <Myrtti> guise, let's look at kittens
[08:48] <mungbean> thats why we have winky symbols ;)
[08:48] <Myrtti> http://imgur.com/r/aww/4xXKgVJ
[08:48] <cliftonts> popey, not specifically but your comments don't exactly make me feel welcome. It's something I've seen a lot off in Ubuntu circles over the last 6 years
[08:49] <mungbean> anywayyyyyy.
[08:49] <mungbean> can i get the mtp stuff thats in 13.04 in 12.04 easily?
[08:50] <popey> cliftonts: look at it from a point of view other than your own
[08:50] <popey> cliftonts: you arrive and almost every time make some snide comment within minutes
[08:50] <popey> we sit here all day and converse, and don't happen to throw out the red carpet and balloons the second you walk in
[08:50] <popey> you're reading too much into that.
[08:51] <cliftonts> Tell you what then, I won't bother having a sense of humor in future. Sorry for being an individual.
[08:51] <popey> pfft
[08:51] <mungbean> its not even monday.
[08:51] <Laney> tell you what, I'm feeling anxious because JamesTait hasn't told me what "day" it is yet
[08:52] <popey> eek!
[08:52] <Myrtti> I did try to pull you all to watching kittens.
[08:52] <Myrtti> oh well.
[08:52]  * Laney calls his mother
[08:52] <Myrtti> I get +10points for trying
[08:52] <MartijnVdS> Laney: it's The first day of Cerealia
[08:52] <MartijnVdS> Laney: also, Commemoration of first human in space (Yuri Gagarin)
[08:52] <mungbean> his bot is broke
[08:52] <Laney> you usurper!
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> Laney: someone had to!
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> Laney: people were feeling UNEASE
[09:01] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Friday, and happy Walk On Your Wild Side Day! >:-)
[09:01] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, I'm disappointed in you.
[09:01] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: But.. Cerealia is a very important part of ancient Roman culture!
[09:01] <JamesTait> And Laney, how could you doubt me? Have I ever let you down?
[09:02] <Laney> I was getting worried something had happened to you!
[09:02] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, I'm sure it is, but you could at least let me seat go cold before you try to sit in it. ;)
[09:02] <JamesTait> Laney, aw shucks! :-P
[09:03] <JamesTait> Laney, I never knew you cared!
[09:03] <Laney> ♥
[09:03] <popey> get a room
[09:03] <mungbean> MartijnVdS: have you done a openwrt jobby using a usb->serial adapter?
[09:04] <JamesTait> Are you not feeling the love, popey?
[09:05] <popey> hah
[09:05] <Laney> he's jealous and wants some of the love
[09:05] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: yes, one of the "FTDI" ones that  you tend to get when playing with Arduinos
[09:07]  * JamesTait offers popey a koeksister peace offering.
[09:07] <mungbean> ARRGH  Rev. A2 only: Some resistors (R264, R273, R275) are missing, so the serial port won't work. I've bridged them with solder (since I don't have access to SMT equipment), and it seems like it's working. This is not needed for rev. A3.
[09:07] <mungbean> looks like i wasted my time
[09:10] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: you don't have a soldering iron?
[09:11] <mungbean> not at work
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> aha :)
[09:11] <mungbean> and, tbh, its a rubbish AP
[09:11] <mungbean> i just wanted to play
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> get a WDR4300 ;)
[09:12] <mungbean> this was free
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> OK a 703n then (they're $15 on ebay)
[09:13] <mungbean> i don't understand tho: http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/d-link/dwl-2100ap#installing
[09:13] <mungbean> what it means by "press ESC until you get a boot prompt" ..esc where?
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: in the terminal app :)
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: you can do "screen /dev/ttyUSBx" for the USB-serial port (or /dev/ttyACMx, or whatever it becomes)
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: then press ESC in that
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> you could attach a VT-100 and press esc on that, of course
[09:14] <mungbean> ah ok
[09:14] <mungbean> it wasn't clear
[09:14] <mungbean> you can do screen /dev/ttyUSB0?
[09:15] <mungbean> i thought u had to do minicom stuff?
[09:15]  * JamesTait just had to re-read that too, mungbean.
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: yeah but minicom is a bit heavyweight, screen can do the same just fine
[09:15] <AlanBell> huh? screen can do that??
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: uhhuh :)
[09:15] <AlanBell> screen the byobu thing?
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200
[09:16] <JamesTait> I was about to deduct 0.5 geek points from myself, but I see I'm not the only one.
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> or 9600.. or 57600, or whatever port :)
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: I'll take those geek points ;)
[09:16] <JamesTait> Bah!
[09:16] <bigcalm> I was about to say the same thing. Thought the xbee device I've been using runs at 9600. Wireless mesh is sloooooooooooooooooooooooow
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> http://www.vim-fu.com/using-screen-to-connect-to-a-serial-console/
[09:17] <SuperMatt> wait wait wait... everyone try resizing a window in raring, while holding shift
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: I resize using alt..
[09:17] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: I'm on 12.10 and that was fun
[09:17] <SuperMatt> I KNOW RIGHT?
[09:18] <mungbean> we all learned something cool today MartijnVdS thanks
[09:18] <SuperMatt> that's clearly been there for longer than I was aware of, but dang it's good
[09:18] <mungbean> i work in a university, finding people willing to do soldering for me should be easy right?
[09:18] <JamesTait> SuperMatt, interesting!
[09:19] <SuperMatt> just head to the engineering department!
[09:19] <JamesTait> I can't think of a single reason I'd want to use that feature, but it's still interesting!
[09:20] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, you can have my geek points, you're worthy of them.
[09:20] <JamesTait> I had no idea screen could do this.
[09:20] <Myrtti> wakka wakka
[09:20]  * directhex moos
[09:20] <bigcalm> Time to get these UPS batteries fitted
[09:21] <Dave2> It's not working in Xfwm I am disappointed :(
[09:21] <mungbean> heh bigcalm did that on weds
[09:21] <mungbean> live while the vmware infrastructure chugged away
[09:23] <bigcalm> mungbean: Ah, this is in an UPS that has to be unplugged and dismantled to replace things. It's not actually designed for the operation but people still do it.
[09:23] <mungbean> oh which make? a big jobby, or a rack mount one?
[09:24] <bigcalm> mungbean: I work from home. Some belkin thing
[09:24] <mungbean> oh. i don't actually have any serial pins. http://wiki.openwrt.org/_media/inbox/d-link/dwl-2100ap/serial_a2.png
[09:25] <bigcalm> I've been running without UPS for several months now. I couldn't take the stress any more and ordered new batteries
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: that's the JTAG header
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: the serial header should be next to it?
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: ah yes, you solder headers onto those
[09:25] <Myrtti> Belkin :-(
[09:25] <mungbean> this is a fail
[09:25] <mungbean> gonna waste my time on something else
[09:25] <bigcalm> Myrtti: it's what the company bought me
[09:25] <mungbean> lucky the cable only cost £1.69
[09:26] <bigcalm> Myrtti: and I feel the same way
[09:28] <mungbean> i want to snooze but there's someone else in the office atm
[09:28] <bigcalm> Haha
[09:28] <bigcalm> That never stopped my boss when we used to share an office
[09:30] <mungbean> snooze after lunch is acceptable, but 10.30?
[09:30] <SuperMatt> I could do with a snooze right now
[09:31] <mungbean> poor missis sacrificed some sleep so i could get 6hrs
[09:31] <mungbean> she had 4
[09:31] <bigcalm> Quite often I fall asleep during my lunch break
[09:31] <JamesTait> 4 hours? She doesn't know how good she's got it!
[09:31] <JamesTait> When I were a lad....
[09:32] <bigcalm> The above is one of many reasons that I'm glad we don't have children
[09:32] <mungbean> early days, shoud get better when sprog is > 4 months
[09:33] <JamesTait> http://youtu.be/Xe1a1wHxTyo
[09:33] <mungbean> but i do find myself liek this http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NjPGHZOm_b0/TevXfBmcruI/AAAAAAAACBg/ZYvPPRYN0d4/s1600/tumblr_lkxxp8abYX1qcalu5o1_500.jpg
[09:33] <JamesTait> Heheh.
[09:36] <JamesTait> It does look like I'm about to lose my weekend lie-ins.  My eldest son has been having golf lessons at 9am on Saturday mornings, and now my youngest wants to start tennis lessons at 8:30 on Sunday mornings.
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: get them to play football instead ;)
[09:37] <JamesTait> I suppose I'm finally going to have to admit defeat and start going to bed earlier.
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> like a true old man
[09:37] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, I tried, I really did - but they're just not interested in football.
[09:38] <mungbean> can't they learn on the playstation?
[09:38] <awilkins> Wifelet takes the offspring to church on Sunday morning.. I object to church, but I don't object to Sunday morning being peaceful
[09:38] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, I can go off people, you know. ;)
[09:38] <mungbean> my son loves church as the higlight of his week (me too in fact)
[09:38] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: wow, people still do that?
[09:40] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, Yeah, religion is still endemic. A mostly benign parasitic disease of the mind (hey, at least it keeps some other diseases out)
[09:40] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:40] <mungbean> yo bro
[09:40] <mungbean> trying to find an alternative AP that supports {dd,open}wrt in the cupboar
[09:40] <brobostigon> morning mungbean
[09:41] <mungbean> linksys WAP4400n ...nope. what a lame AP
[09:41] <brobostigon> a rpi and a wifi apaptor that supports ap mode.
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: is the control socket stuff working now?
[09:42] <mungbean> yeah was hoping for zero cost solution
[09:42] <mungbean> have to find sometihng else to learn today, like maybe backing up my stuff to amazon glacier
[09:42] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yes, works fine, now need to work out that bridging,
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: http://r.ebay.com/yYK8tO
[09:44] <JamesTait> Am I missing a link somewhere, or does ubuntuforums.org not accept OpenID auth from Ubuntu SSO?
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections
[09:44] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i am reading that as we speak, :)
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: good :)
[09:45] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: :)
[09:45] <mungbean> MartijnVdS: what's the connection for the 3g?
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it explains the basics well, you can find the rest in the manual, or here: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: It's just an USB port
[09:45] <mungbean> ah ok. stiull cute
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: there's no 3G modem in the device, you have to attach one yourself
[09:46] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah, hadnt though about ldp, :)
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it's old but good :)
[09:46] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: :)
[09:46] <mungbean> just seen the lower pictures now
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: this is one of the most hackable devices at the moment -- the OpenWRT wiki has complete pinouts of EVERYTHING on that tiny board :)
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wr703n
[09:47] <hoover> hi folks
[09:48] <mungbean> is the flashing of openwrt straightforward?
[09:48] <hoover> just installed qemu-kvm on 12.10, now why can't I select virtio drivers in virt-manager for a guest?
[09:48] <hoover> cannot find anything related with apt-cache either
[09:48] <hoover> All I have available is ide, scsi and usb.
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: yes, but you have to compile a snapshot yourself, because newer devices won't boot with the current latest Release candidate
[09:51] <hoover> hm, I think I'll check the qemu channel...
[09:55] <popey> mungbean: fwiw I had very little trouble with my netgear wndr 3700
[09:57] <bigcalm> wndr 3700 \o/
[09:57] <bigcalm> I still haven't got around to attempting to unbrick my wndr 3800
[10:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:09] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:09] <bigcalm> davmor2: had the discs replaced. Garage said that it was normal wear for 3 years of use
[10:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: Yay
[10:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: I got my broken wiper off, and am in the process of free up the spindle though that might take a few days.  I also did some research and found out what the issue is too.  The spindle is steel and the housing aluminium so it is corrosion over rust :(
[10:13] <bigcalm> Oh dear
[10:14] <mungbean> my dad used to have MOT wipers
[10:14] <bigcalm> I'm thinking my boot window lock switch is a wiring fault rather than fuse. If it were the fuse, the key fob wouldn't be able to unlock it
[10:14] <mungbean> brand new set he'd put on the day before MOT
[10:15] <bigcalm> Oh speaking of wipers. What's a good make to go for? I'm fed up of the constant smearing seen on mine and my lady's car
[10:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: no necessarily don't forget the switch needs power, where as the remote will just have a controller on the motor for release :)
[10:16] <bigcalm> Humm
[10:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: valeo
[10:16] <bigcalm> davmor2: I wish there was a Haynes manual for our car
[10:16] <davmor2> there is I have one
[10:17] <bigcalm> Lies!
[10:17] <bigcalm> :O
[10:17] <bigcalm> There wasn't one the last time I looked (several months ago)
[10:17]  * bigcalm orders
[10:18] <davmor2> bigcalm: I had to go to halfords to get a new license plate for our trailer tent and saw it on offer so swiped it quick
[10:19] <bigcalm> davmor2: I'm booked in to have the DAB radio fitted on Monday. Will have a mooch then
[10:20] <bigcalm> Now to find one for Hayley's Huindai Matrix
[10:20] <davmor2> bigcalm: it was 16.99 rather than 20 odd
[10:21] <davmor2> bigcalm: http://www.haynes.com/mole
[10:21] <bigcalm> davmor2: nice
[10:22] <bigcalm> davmor2: they have the Toyota Matrix, not the Hyundai one
[10:22] <mungbean> correlation between work on raring and bugs in 12.04?https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2012.04&period=day
[10:23] <davmor2> bigcalm: http://ubuntuone.com/1oipmuRCKL1JJBFbPAk8Jv just to prove it covers ours :)
[10:24] <bigcalm> davmor2: I do believe you :) http://www.haynes.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=53659&langId=-1
[10:25] <davmor2> bigcalm: that looks just like the picture on the front of mine ;)
[10:25] <bigcalm> Amazing eh?
[10:26] <bigcalm> Being ill has helped me loose a few extra pounds. I should get sick more often
[10:26] <SuperMatt> Being offered free pizza by papa johns has helped me put on a few extra pounds
[10:26] <SuperMatt> I really need to avoid papa johns
[10:26] <bigcalm> Hehe
[10:28]  * SuperMatt grumbles because a script he wrote, and was working perfectly on another machine, has decided not to work
[10:28] <Myrtti> haha Peugeot
[10:29] <Myrtti> although I'd laugh even harder if it were Renault
[10:29] <popey> that lsb_release crash is hilarious
[10:30] <davmor2> Myrtti: nothing wrong with our cars and peugeot/citreon use Ubuntu in their plants :P
[10:30] <Myrtti> davmor2: McDonalds uses bacon in some of their food. it doesn't make McDonalds any better.
[10:30]  * bigcalm tickles Myrtti
[10:31] <SuperMatt> are we arguing the merits of bacon?
[10:31] <davmor2> SuperMatt: no jono loses everytime
[10:31] <Myrtti> no. French cars.
[10:31] <bigcalm> :(
[10:32] <davmor2> Myrtti: it's not Mine was built in Britain :P
[10:32] <SuperMatt> oh no, it must be bad-pun-o'clock
[10:33] <davmor2> SuperMatt: Oh come on, an hour with jono or a bacon butty, you can't tell me jono is going to win
[10:33] <Myrtti> davmor2: so it's not *quite* as bad as French cars.
[10:33] <SuperMatt> mmm... bacon butty
[10:33] <davmor2> told you
[10:33] <SuperMatt> we shouldn't talk about bacon
[10:33] <SuperMatt> because I'm trying to lose some poundage
[10:34] <SuperMatt> gonna go cycling tomorrow, assuming I can find the key for my D lock
[10:34] <SuperMatt> otherwise I'm walking all the way to the fabric shop
[10:34] <davmor2> That's easy, buy it from a cafe you'll be a couple of pounds lighter than you went in with :)
[10:34] <SuperMatt> BAD PUNS
[10:35] <bigcalm> I'm already wondering what to have for lunch, not good
[10:35] <davmor2> SuperMatt: indeed but I couldn't resist
[10:35] <SuperMatt> I think I'm going to shimmy to the nearest boots and pick up one of their cheap/healthy lunch deals
[10:35] <davmor2> bigcalm: Bacon and Bread and Brown Sauce
[10:36] <SuperMatt> except now it's raining
[10:36]  * SuperMatt shakes a fist at the gods
[10:36] <bigcalm> davmor2: sausages in the freezer. Good idea, ta
[10:36] <SuperMatt> SMITE ME DOWN FOR I CANNOT LIVE IN THIS WET WORLD ANY MORE!
[10:36] <davmor2> SuperMatt: that's why god gave you waterproofs :P
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: http://www.just-eat.co.uk/
[10:36] <SuperMatt> no gods supplied me with an anorak
[10:36] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: hahahaha
[10:37] <SuperMatt> my mum did once, but I never wore it
[10:37] <Myrtti> then again I kinda want a Mini if I ever get a licence to drive
[10:37] <Myrtti> or an old Saab
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: so.. you're NOT an anorak then?
[10:37] <bigcalm> Just Eat is a joke. For my post code it returns 3 Indian restaurants and 1 Chinese take-away
[10:37] <Myrtti> something that I can learn to fix myself
[10:38] <davmor2> Myrtti: Saab 900 turbo it's the only one you can still get parts for :)
[10:38] <SuperMatt> bigcalm: the restaurants need to sign up
[10:38] <jacobw> Why a Saab?
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> because Scandinavia?
[10:38] <jacobw> Hmm
[10:38] <Myrtti> davmor2: yes.
[10:39] <davmor2> MartijnVdS, Myrtti: you could always get a volvo :)
[10:39] <Myrtti> jacobw: because I'm inclined towards Volvos, VW's and Saabs.
[10:39] <Myrtti> davmor2: yes, it would work with my problem with left and right, as it says on the steering wheel which is which
[10:39] <bigcalm> Now variety has changed my background to doughnuts, cookies and muffins. ARGH
[10:40] <Myrtti> (it's an old Finnish joke: *V*asen for left and *O*ikea for right)
[10:40] <bigcalm> :D
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> IKEA?
[10:40]  * bigcalm got it
[10:41] <davmor2> bigcalm: got what
[10:41] <Myrtti> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Volvo_steering_wheel.jpg
[10:41] <bigcalm> davmor2: the Finnish play on words
[10:41] <bigcalm> My desktop image: http://wallpapers.net/many_cookies-wallpapers.html :(
[10:43] <bigcalm> Humm, forgot to take my service record with me for the service yesterday. Looks like I'm going out at lunch today
[10:43] <BigRedS> bigcalm: most of those aren't cookies! I am most disappointed
[10:43] <bigcalm> BigRedS: the name is very misleading.
[10:44] <davmor2> bigcalm: you could always deselect the food ones :P
[10:45] <Myrtti> my wallpaper: https://plus.google.com/117058794763073546749/posts/6daZhLPHtk8
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: ooh, shiny
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: this is mine: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/6816260055/in/set-72157629167894627/lightbox/
[10:49] <davmor2> this is my current one http://ubuntuone.com/65C2A5xIZswgrPn619Dc0i well on my main box any way on all the others it's the default :)
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: Ubuntu 14.04 - Tasty Tiger?
[10:51] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: http://ubuntuone.com/28jkCVrUhgqIHmvenfI389 Terrifying Tiger
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: Looks like a hot day. Toasty tiger?
[10:54] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: it was when ever I go to see them it seem to be the hottest day on earth
[10:55] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I think it was 28c that day
[10:57] <bootkigftrgds1> !textadept  <-- sorry just seeing if this package is listed  [ http://ppa.webupd8.org/post/47615409606/textadept-4-5-available-in-the-main-webupd8-ppa ]
[10:57] <bootkigftrgds1> leaves
[10:58] <popey> someone should tell bootkigftrgds1 about /query lubotu3
[10:58] <popey> and !info
[10:58] <directhex> and honey badgers
[10:59] <davmor2> popey: someone should tell him about, apt-cache search, or usc, or apps.ubuntu.com/cat , or package.ubuntu.com ...........................
[11:02] <davmor2> This just landed in my inbox with the title "What's new? Walnut, velvet and leather!" was about to hit the spam button till I realised it was Ikea :)
[11:03] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[11:07] <popey> I should probably close a tab or two http://ubuntuone.com/1u99Qxy9CTsPjyT9yJRkxt
[11:08] <MartijnVdS> popey: s/two/& hundred/
[11:08] <popey> thats just one window
[11:09] <JamesTait> popey, that's a very wide window. I have the same problem, but my tabs scroll.
[11:10] <Myrtti> well this was in my inbox today: https://plus.google.com/100016383867666174158/posts/dAu8DWBPGdg
[11:10]  * MartijnVdS rarely has >4 tabs open at once
[11:10] <mungbean> !info nasty
[11:10] <JamesTait> While useful for keeping the tab titles readable, it doesn't help in demonstrating to me just how many tabs I still have open.
[11:11] <JamesTait> I usually realise how bad the situation has got when my machine starts swapping furiously and Firefox is using 3G RAM.
[11:11] <davmor2> popey: at least you can see tabs :)
[11:12] <BigRedS> Ooh. Github drinkup in London tomorrow
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: speaking of github - http://starlogs.net/
[11:14] <davmor2> Myrtti: does that mean you are already hitting seals?  How do the double it do they provide you with a baseball bat :D  You'd think they would check if it could be misinterpreted really wouldn't you :)
[11:14] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: yeah, I've been sticking all my repos through that this morning :)
[11:14] <BigRedS> I think it'll start turning up in my "look how much work I did today" emails
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> haha :)
[11:15] <davmor2> BigRedS: you don't won't github getting drunk really do you, I mean can you image what it would do with your code.  Only buy pepsi's
[11:16] <BigRedS> Ooh, actually, it's not obvious how I can link to a particular repo in there
[11:16] <BigRedS> davmor2: it can't make it much worse... :)
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: hack on it - https://github.com/artemave/StarLogs
[11:16] <BigRedS> ( https://github.com/blog/1471-london-drinkup for anyone interested in Free beer in London )
[11:17] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: fork that!
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: Shouldn't we be calling people who work at/on/for Github "hubsters"
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> ?
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> "I cloned that project before it was cool"
[11:17] <BigRedS> "
[11:18] <MartijnVdS> "?
[11:18] <BigRedS> Want to hack on it? No problem. But first, it is not just Javascript and CSS. It is pogoscript and sass. Oh, and they require node.js and ruby respectively."
[11:18] <BigRedS> bah
[11:18] <BigRedS> newline fail :(
[11:18] <BigRedS> but, anyway, that's four things I don't know how to use and two things I don't like using
[11:18] <BigRedS> I'll just make another page that uses WWW::Mech or something :)
[11:18] <ali1234> s........ass
[11:20] <BigRedS> I did misread/misinterpret that first as "Service As A Service"
[11:21] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: 8-)
[11:21] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: that sounds like a "dot-com" era business model
[11:23] <ali1234> pogoscript looks truly terrible
[11:24] <ali1234> it's basically ruby that compiles to javascript
[11:42] <BigRedS> ew
[11:47] <AlanBell> code that writes code is not happy code
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: tell that to SkyNet
[11:59] <Darael> AlanBell: Tell that to a Lispnik.
[12:04] <BigRedS> most of my bash scripts are written by Perl scripts these days
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: eval "`what`"?
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> hm
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> eval `what`
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> might work better
[12:06] <BigRedS> I've been doing a bunch of migrationy stuff, so it's concocting lists of rsync and mysql(dump) invocations. I'm not confident enough to backtick it, so I write a shell script that I have a read over before running
[12:14] <hoover> cheers all
[12:29] <AlanBell> is there a way to allow a non-root user to dd stuff to an sd card?/
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: I think so
[12:30] <popey> speaking of which
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: securely, or not? :)
[12:30] <popey> two USB 3.0 sticks just arrived
[12:31] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: I just don't want to accidentally one day pick /dev/sda instead of /dev/sdb
[12:31] <AlanBell> it is only me doing it, I just want to protect myself from myself
[12:31] <popey> dont use dd then?
[12:31] <popey> use tools which dont let you do that
[12:32] <AlanBell> such as?
[12:32] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: setfacl -m u:alan:rw /dev/sdb :)
[12:32] <MartijnVdS> \o/ POSIX ACLs
[12:32] <popey> that depends what you're trying to do
[12:33] <popey> /dev/sdc: Timing cached reads:   11666 MB in  2.00 seconds = 5835.19 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 194 MB in  3.02 seconds =  64.22 MB/sec
[12:33] <popey> is that good?
[12:33] <popey> USB stick
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> it's not bad :)
[12:34] <AlanBell> Timing buffered disk reads:  58 MB in  3.08 seconds =  18.86 MB/sec
[12:35] <AlanBell> that is an SLC SD card
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> SLC? is that a brand or a speed rating? :)
[12:36] <AlanBell> it is the more reliable variety
[12:37] <AlanBell> single cell per bit
[12:37] <AlanBell> single bit per cell even
[12:39] <AlanBell> the posic acl trick isn't persistent :(
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> aha
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> it is if you put it in udev rules :)
[12:39] <AlanBell> works great once, but remove it and insert another and its /dev/sdb wen away
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html
[12:40] <AlanBell> ok, that should work
[12:40] <Myrtti> why can't there be an open source password manager that integrates with the browsers and isn't totally pants
[12:40] <Myrtti> (first world problems yay)
[12:41] <mungbean> Myrtti: there is, so long as emacs is your browser
[12:41] <Myrtti> I haven't had emacs installed for few years now.
[12:42] <mungbean> i've gone my whole sysadmin life without using it. vim ftw
[12:42] <mungbean> i've known people who use it as a shell
[12:42] <mungbean> sick, twisted people
[12:42] <Myrtti> in other news
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: recovering addict? :)
[12:44] <Myrtti> no not really, I had specific uses for emacs which are now nonexistent
[12:51] <davmor2> Myrtti: it's called a pad and pen, it's also potable so you can use it on proprietary OS's too and mobiles........
[12:51] <davmor2> s/potable/portable
[12:51] <Myrtti> davmor2: keepass2 database I can synchronize to my mobile and other devices and it's portable...
[12:52] <bigcalm> potable sounds cuter
[12:52] <Myrtti> also crossplatform.
[12:52] <mgdm> yay, you could drink it
[12:52] <Myrtti> but it crashes a lot.
[12:52] <bigcalm> KeepAss2 is what we use at work
[12:53] <davmor2> bigcalm: shame on you
[12:53] <bigcalm> mgdm: how's WW?
[12:53] <bigcalm> davmor2: :D
[12:54] <Myrtti> davmor2: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Personal-Internet-Address-Password-Organizer/ here's for you. Secure as ever.
[12:54] <Myrtti> the reviews are golden
[12:55] <davmor2> Myrtti:  	Looking for something? We're sorry. The Web address you entered is not a functioning page on our site. Go to Amazon.co.uk's Home Page   not so good here :)
[12:55] <Myrtti> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Personal-Internet-Address-Password-Organizer/dp/1441303251
[12:55] <mungbean> solution is to make all your passwords Myrtti
[12:56] <mungbean> and make the username something like CorrectHorseBatteryStaple
[12:58] <davmor2> Myrtti: I love the guy who obviously have no sense of humour and has gone on a security rant :)
[12:58] <bigcalm> davmor2: I have seen those books available in shops :(
[12:59] <Myrtti> davmor2: sadly, the sarcastic review might not get the point across
[13:00] <davmor2> they just need to put a lock on the book then it's secure right :D
[13:00] <Myrtti> well I suppose I should have expected totally inane banter when I just ranted and vented my own frustration myself.
[13:01] <Myrtti> thanks for not letting me forget.
[13:08] <Myrtti> (this moment brought to you by Keepass2 crashing and refusing to restart after said crash unless I relogin to my XFCE4 session)
[13:12] <davmor2> Myrtti: what you need is one of these with MY PASSWORDS written on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wk-YaHmP6k
[13:15] <bigcalm> `.`
[13:23] <mungbean> running my first amazon glacier backup \o/
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> is it slow?
[13:24] <SuperMatt> are there any good glacier tools for linux yet?
[13:26] <mungbean> SuperMatt: i run a script called mt-aws-glacier
[13:26] <mungbean> e.g i have photos in folders 2000-2013
[13:27] <mungbean> make tar file of each folder and copy them to a tars folder
[13:27] <mungbean> run the mts-aws-glacier sync script and tell it which vault to put them in
[13:27] <mungbean> MartijnVdS: dunno how slow yet
[13:28] <mungbean> i suspect there may be a 100MB switch somewhere on my route out to the net , otherwise i'd be rocking 1GB
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: nah glaciers move slowly, was my point
[13:35] <mungbean> hohoho cold storage, rather than slow moving land mass
[13:35] <mungbean> you only really pay when you extract it
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> aha
[13:35] <bigcalm> Do you pay to list content?
[13:36] <davmor2> bigcalm: if you do then you could always write a script that kept a local copy
[13:37] <davmor2> local list even
[13:37] <mungbean> bigcalm: who's that qu for?
[13:38] <bigcalm> mungbean: whomever wants to answer it :)
[13:38] <bigcalm> mungbean: you I guess
[13:38] <mungbean> if its amazon glacier, you pay v small amount to upload, e.g. few $$ to upload 100GB
[13:38] <mungbean> and similar amount to retain there
[13:38] <mungbean> for the year
[13:39] <mungbean> LISTVAULTS, GETJOBOUTPUT, DELETE† and all other Requests = free
[13:40] <bigcalm> What's the caveat with the †?
[13:40] <mungbean> † Glacier is designed with the expectation that retrievals are infrequent and unusual, and data will be stored for extended periods of time. You can retrieve up to 5% of your average monthly storage (pro-rated daily) for free each month. If you choose to retrieve more than this amount of data in a month, you are charged a retrieval fee starting at $0.011 per gigabyte. Learn more. In addition, there is a pro-rated charge of $0.033 per gigabyte
[13:40] <mungbean> http://aws.amazon.com/glacier/pricing/
[13:41] <bigcalm> I see, thanks
[13:42] <mungbean> cheap as chips, especially if u don't expect to retrieve it
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> encrypt before storing it though.. yay US laws
[13:43] <mungbean> you can store in ireland
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> yes, but Amazon is still a US company
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> and forced to hand over data if the US gov't asks for it
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57556674/patriot-act-can-obtain-data-in-europe-researchers-say/
[13:47] <mungbean> has anyone used the google play magazines app?
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: currents? I found it lacking in content.
[13:47] <mungbean> no
[13:47] <mungbean> for reading purchased magazines
[13:49] <mungbean> there's a dedicated "zinio type" app in the store
[13:49] <mungbean> wondered what sort of format the magz were stored in for offline reading
[13:49] <Myrtti> yes
[13:49] <Myrtti> it's nice
[13:50] <mungbean> better than zinio?
[13:50] <Myrtti> don't know about zinio
[13:50] <mungbean> i'm more interested how i could keep the magazine for posterity, DRM free
[13:53] <mungbean> any idea Myrtti ?
[13:54] <mungbean> are they stored as encrypted pdfs or some other nasty format?
[13:57] <Myrtti> I have no idea, they're there and they've got both the look-a-like and the mobile version of the magazine
[13:57] <mungbean> i'm worried that when the app goes away, we can't see the magazine anymore
[14:00] <popey> have you tried those zinio decryption tools?
[14:00] <mungbean> there are none
[14:00] <mungbean> (that i've found)
[14:05] <mungbean> there's also something called pocketmags, another contender
[14:10] <mungbean> nitro is pretty app :D
[14:11] <mungbean> what's not to like?
[14:21] <mgdm> bigcalm: so far so good
[14:55] <ali1234> what do you see on this webpage? http://isnamecoinworkingornot.bit.namecoin-suffix.dot-bit.org/
[14:56] <ali1234> ah, the wrong site, i see
[14:57] <shauno> I get 'just another wordpress site'
[14:57] <ali1234> yeah that's my webpage
[14:59] <ali1234> what's the difference between ServerName and ServerAlias (apache)?
[15:01] <SuperMatt> server name is the definitive name, server alias is other aliases that the virtual host can listen for
[15:02] <SuperMatt> basically, you can listen for www.server.tld, and server.tld, and whatever.server.tld
[15:03] <ali1234> yeah i get that, but what difference does it actually make, in practice?
[15:03] <ali1234> if i have 1 name and 1 alias, and i swap them over, what changes in practice?
[15:05] <mungbean> probably security cert issues?
[15:06] <mungbean> (guess)
[15:06] <ali1234> ah, i see. anything else? cos i'm not using certs
[15:26] <mungbean> whats the best way to get started on openstack?
[15:27] <jacobw> Hang yourself
[15:27] <BigRedS> ali1234: nothing at all
[15:27] <mungbean> :-|
[15:27] <BigRedS> servername can have only one argument
[15:27] <BigRedS> serveraliases many
[15:27] <BigRedS> other than that, there's no real distinction
[15:27] <BigRedS> oh, and any vhost must have a servername, serveraliases are optional
[15:28]  * SuperMatt nods
[15:28] <BigRedS> but it doesn't affect anything with certs, either
[15:28] <BigRedS> we generally have a servername of the form <user>.<fqdn> and then add aliases as real domains are made to resolve to the right place
[15:29] <BigRedS> so within about a week nobody ever visits the vhost via the servername
[15:29] <BigRedS> and there's never been a side-effect
[15:41] <popey> mungbean: what do you want to do with openstack?
[15:59] <SuperMatt> OMG
[15:59] <SuperMatt> an update to evolution
[15:59] <SuperMatt> I can finally see my calendar entries!
[16:04] <directhex> SuperMatt, 3.6.4?
[16:04] <Laney> that's the one
[16:04] <Laney> thanks to YOU, JO SHIELDS!
[16:04] <directhex> now to wait for delicious backports!
[16:05] <SuperMatt> directhex: yuppers!
[16:05] <SuperMatt> is there much changed in 3.8?
[16:05] <directhex> i'm scared of evolution updates, since they break so much in their major versions
[16:05] <directhex> 2.6 was unusable before 3.6.4
[16:05] <Laney> huh, I don't see 3.6.4 in quantal-proposed unapproved
[16:06] <Laney> thought he uploaded it
[16:06] <directhex> i got the email
[16:06] <directhex> it's been approved
[16:06] <directhex> wait, that's raring
[16:06] <Laney> indeed
[16:06] <directhex> so no, i've seen nothing for quantal
[16:07] <directhex> SCANDALOUS
[16:08] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/1158367
[16:08] <Laney> five and subscribe
[17:17] <MindCrash> i am installing latest version of minitube and i am halfway through getting the right .so files for it, is there anyway i can produce a list of the rest of the .so files it needs?
[17:18] <popey> ldd <filename>
[17:18] <popey> can you not just apt-get it?
[17:20] <MindCrash> cool only 13 files left :-) now is there any way i can apt-get those and make sure they all go in usr/lib?
[17:23] <popey> why not just "sudo apt-get install minitube" ?
[17:24] <MindCrash> because you get a version that doesnt work but after a google of the prob it suggested manually installing a more recent version(which I have had working on another distro)
[17:24] <popey> what version doesn't work?
[17:26] <MindCrash> 1.6
[17:26] <popey> you could try the 1.9 deb from quantal?
[17:26] <popey> http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/amd64/minitube/download or http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/i386/minitube/download  depending on your architecture
[17:26] <popey> much easier / safer than faffing manually with libraries
[17:28] <MindCrash> will try that later, but is there anyway to download and control place of install of libraries?
[17:28] <popey> well, no, because that's not "the right way" of doing it
[17:29] <MindCrash> hmmmm :-)
[17:31] <MindCrash> many thanks for your help i will try your suggestion :-)
[17:58] <Myrtti> goddammit Keepass2
[18:28] <Lil-|^Red> MMmm .. OT| It's been a long day today .. Just one more time, though.   | :: http://youtu.be/eYDvxo-M0OQ?t=3m45s
[18:53] <Myrtti> mungbean: did you notice that there's free magazine trials on Google Play?
[18:53] <Myrtti> including Linux Format
[19:18] <mungbean> cgeeers Myrtti
[19:47] <DJones> I wonder if the £6.99/month "handset insurance" offered by all the mobile phone shops would cover this for damage or theft? http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/50858/iphone-5-black-diamond-10-million-pounds
[19:57] <brobostigon> new HIGNFY at 9pm, bbc1,
[20:04] <popey> DJones: friend of mine used to work for vertu - the people who took nokia phone guts and put bling on them..
[20:04] <popey> was insane the amount of money people would pay for them
[20:04] <popey> there was one model which had a black/white/grey screen and another identical one that had a colour screen
[20:05] <popey> they were actually the same phone with a software change
[20:05] <popey> some premiership footballer went in to their store and said he didnt like having the grey one, could he swap for a colour one... they did a software update and charged him $$$ to do it
[20:06] <DJones> That doesn't surprise me (the footballer paying to have something done, that is)
[20:07] <brobostigon> lol
[20:07] <popey> I had a play with one a while back, they're bonkers
[20:08] <ali1234> to be fair vertu comes with 24 hour concierge service
[20:08] <popey> and they are hand built
[20:08] <ali1234> it's not just a gold plated phone
[20:09] <DJones> For a £10M phone upgrade, I'd want 24/7 armed security guards included, not just a concierge
[20:09] <ali1234> they don't cost £10M, they cost £10K
[20:10] <popey> he's talking about the iphone
[20:10] <mungbean> brobostigon: when you said HIGNY i thought meh
[20:10] <mungbean> but i just turned on and BRIAN BLESSED is doing it!
[20:10] <popey> indeed
[20:10] <ali1234> oh right, well, iphone *shrug*
[20:10] <brobostigon> mungbean: HIGNFY :)
[20:10]  * popey is watching delayed
[20:10] <brobostigon> mungbean: they always have good people to present it,
[20:11] <mungbean> mostly meh, but BB rocks
[20:11] <popey> i prefer the news quiz tbh
[20:11]  * popey likes Jeremy Hardy
[20:11] <mungbean> when is HIGNGFYN repeated?
[20:11] <mungbean> remember angus deayton?
[20:11] <popey> ya
[20:11] <brobostigon> yep.
[20:12] <mungbean> usually coke and loose women improve tv careerrs
[20:12] <mungbean> ugh ken livingston..turning over
[20:12] <mungbean> wondering if the isaac newton prog will be a character assassination
[20:16] <popey> haha, love the changelog for bug 1163504 from xnox
[20:16] <popey> including the unicode ™ symbol ☻
[20:17] <mungbean> man at the 2nd hand bookshop keeps finding books he knows i will buy, and puts them outside the shop so i will see them
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[20:17] <mungbean> knowing i won't resist
[20:17] <popey> similarly steam keep showing me games they know I cant resist
[20:18] <mungbean> its not really paranoia because he's picking them out for me
[20:19] <mungbean> then he says he's got more in the back i'm like noooo
[20:19] <mungbean> i just know there will be another good one on monday for me
[20:19] <mungbean> big coffee table sized
[20:19] <popey> hah
[20:20] <mungbean> missis keeps noticing i've bought 4 big coffee size books this week
[20:20] <popey> cheap tho?
[20:20] <mungbean> yes
[20:20] <mungbean> £2
[20:21] <mungbean> stuff like this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Battle-Britain-Richard-Townshend-Bickers/dp/0130838098
[20:22] <popey> thats the kind of thing my father in law likes
[20:22] <mungbean> it satisfies a lot of brain areas like trivia, history, strategy, equipment, stories, epic tales, aircraft.
[20:25] <mungbean> popey: i bet he watches Yesterday channel a lot then?
[20:25] <popey> dunno actually
[20:29] <mungbean> anyone using their hp microserver for audio aswell?
[20:34] <diplo> not me
[20:34] <popey> not I
[20:34] <diplo> storage/streaming
[20:34] <popey> playing with juju on mine
[20:34] <popey> also added daap to it for sharing music
[20:36] <ali1234> who was askin about openstack earlier?
[20:36] <popey> mungbean:
[20:36] <ali1234> so, did you get anywhere?
[20:37] <mungbean> ali1234: i spent the afternoon backing up my data to amazon glacier instead
[20:37] <mungbean> but if work is quiet next week i wanna get started on openstack
[20:38] <mungbean> thought there might be a tldr guide to getting started
[20:38] <ali1234> i kind of want to put openstack onto our dedi
[20:38] <ali1234> well, maas and juju
[20:38] <mungbean> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Getting_Started
[20:38] <ali1234> we are not really utilizing it at the moment because it's too hard installing many different things into a single system and fixing the conflicts
[20:39]  * Laney meows
[20:39] <ali1234> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuCloudInfrastructure is a better howto
[20:39] <mungbean> i don't have dev infrastructure but i have a room full of spare PCs
[20:40] <mungbean> by dev infratructure i mean blades+SAN
[20:40] <Myrtti> apparently plusnet is a bit broken...
[20:40] <Myrtti> https://portal.plus.net/supportpages.html?a=212
[20:41] <AlanBell> Myrtti: mine is fine
[20:44] <diplo> https://portal.plus.net/supportpages.html?a=2&support_action=messages&ispservice_id=adsldial
[20:44] <diplo> BT wholesale network outage
[20:50] <mungbean> ali1234: how would you propose installing ubuntu on all the nodes first?
[20:50] <mungbean> i usually use kickstart for centos installs
[20:53] <popey> that's what MAAS is for
[20:53] <ali1234> i don't know, i only have one server, so...
[20:53] <mungbean> ah, there's a section on the section about it
[20:54] <mungbean> Install the MAAS server
[20:54] <mungbean> Install Juju
[20:54] <mungbean> Deploy Ubuntu Cloud Infrastructure with Juju
[20:54] <popey> Daviey gave a great demo of exactly that at UDS in may last year
[20:55] <mungbean> are they proposing shared storage or gluster?
[20:55]  * Daviey hides
[20:55] <mungbean> i may have big use case for this stuff soon
[20:55] <AlanBell> best demo evar
[20:56] <mungbean> linky pls?
[20:58] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m3utPU99Wgg#t=35m00s
[20:59] <Daviey> popey: 'thanks'
[20:59] <ali1234> broken :(
[20:59] <ali1234> working now, weird
[21:00] <mungbean> thx
[21:05]  * Azelphur dodged the recent BTC crash like a boss, lost around £20 tops.
[21:07] <AlanBell> nice, time to buy in again?
[21:08] <popey> Azelphur: did you see I gave your twitter nick to a journo ⍨
[21:09] <Azelphur> popey: I did just notice that, yea
[21:09] <Azelphur> I wouldn't mind going and talking to him, but right now I don't have my business or anything declared yet so would prefer to cover my ass
[21:10] <Azelphur> also I have like £200 in BTC at the moment, although I have £10,000 sitting with my broker in London
[21:10] <lpapp> hi, is there an off-topic channel?
[21:10] <Azelphur> !offtopic | lpapp
[21:10] <AlanBell> there is #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:10] <lpapp> Azelphur: I would like to have UK related offtopic questions. :)
[21:11]  * Azelphur shrugs
[21:11] <diplo> It's off topic 90% of the time in here :D
[21:11] <lpapp> :-)
[21:12] <lpapp> I was just wondering if it was possible in the UK to get an unlimited internet data package if I top up a prepay three sim card with 20 euros, i.e. just like here in Ireland?
[21:13] <diplo> Giffgaff do a unlimited data package i think on it's own, defo do one with texts/calls etc
[21:13] <mungbean> tethered or not?
[21:14] <mungbean> untethered then £12pm
[21:14] <mungbean> the tethered one is 10pm but limited to 1gb
[21:14] <lpapp> I will go to the UK for two weeks, and it would be nice to get an unlimited data package with a prepay sim card that I will buy in there.
[21:15] <lpapp> what does it mean "pm" in this context?
[21:15] <mungbean> per month
[21:15] <lpapp> pounds / month?
[21:15] <lpapp> ok.
[21:15] <lpapp> well, prepay is nothing like pm.
[21:15] <lpapp> that is the advantage of it.
[21:15] <mungbean> giffgaff is rolling monthly contract
[21:15] <ali1234> bah i don't understand this at all
[21:15] <mungbean> hence you just pay for 1 month
[21:15] <diplo> Well not a contract
[21:15] <diplo> well i suppose it is  :)
[21:16] <lpapp> well, three does not have any contract over here.
[21:16] <diplo> It's good anyhoo
[21:16] <lpapp> it is truly prepay.
[21:16] <mungbean> its just not slavery like tmob et al
[21:16] <diplo> Don't think you can get that much over here now
[21:18] <ali1234> why is it recommended that maas has at least 6 nodes?
[21:18] <lpapp> I will ask the three customer support.
[21:18] <lpapp> service*
[21:18] <lpapp> 1 GB is not too much in this modern world.
[21:19] <mungbean> is this for tethered?
[21:19] <lpapp> tethered means?
[21:19] <lpapp> like a hotspot?
[21:19] <lpapp> yes, sure, I would use it on my laptop.
[21:20] <mungbean> http://giffgaff.com/goodybags/3gb-mobile-broadband
[21:20] <lpapp> or on my phone.
[21:20] <mungbean> 3gb for £12.50
[21:20] <lpapp> oh btw, and forgot to mention: 20 EUR, but the data package is for free.
[21:20] <lpapp> you can still use the 20 EUR for voice calls.
[21:20] <lpapp> I need truly unlimited. :)
[21:20] <mungbean> if u want i can PM you a giffgaff affialite link then u also get £5 for PAYG calls too
[21:21] <mungbean> added on
[21:21] <lpapp> I do not wanna run out of the limitation in a few days by watching youtube continuously for instance.
[21:21] <mungbean> i think three do "unlimited" in UK too but unsure of monthly or annual contract
[21:21] <lpapp> it is all prepay in Ireland. No contracts involved.
[21:22] <lpapp> you buy a top up, and then you invoke the vouchure code, and that is pretty much it.
[21:22] <lpapp> you do not have to sign anything whatsoever.
[21:23] <lpapp> if I need to download a 4-5 GB image, that 3 GB is gone very quickly. :-)
[21:23] <mungbean> on 3g? lol
[21:24] <lpapp> yes, an overnight.
[21:24] <mungbean> would take me all week
[21:24] <lpapp> I do not buy that.
[21:24] <lpapp> been doing this for 1-2 years now.
[21:25] <lpapp> and like I said, with three, the internet is free as you can still use your credits.
[21:25] <mungbean> http://www.three.co.uk/Store/SIM/Pay_As_You_Go
[21:26] <mungbean> Pay As You Go plans do not allow tethering. If you would like to tether, you will need to choose a Pay Monthly plan and / or an Add-On that does allow tethering.
[21:28] <lpapp> All-in-One 15 Add-on. -> sounds like a plan.
[21:28] <lpapp> whatever the 15 means.
[21:28] <lpapp> I guess it refers to pounds.
[21:28] <lpapp> I am not sure that cannot be hacked around. :)
[21:28] <Myrtti> what I do is to have the three prepaid and then order the month Internet addon
[21:29] <lpapp> Likely, they write the same in Ireland as well.
[21:29] <Myrtti> it's 2GB or so
[21:32] <mungbean> are there subsequent ubuntu cloud server releases since 12.04?
[21:34] <lpapp> Myrtti: which add-on?
[21:37] <Myrtti> the website is sooooooper confusing
[21:42] <Myrtti> I can't even find the pricing or more information from the website now
[21:45] <lpapp> so the operator can block the tethering (hotspot)?
[21:47] <Darael> lpapp: No.  But they can look at the usage and conclude that it's highly unlikely it's all from the phone (in the case of Android phones, possibly ask for a screenshot of the data usage history screen?) and call it a breach of contract unless the person can demonstrate it was in fact all from the phone.
[21:49] <lpapp> never had such issues, and been using it like that for 1-2 years.
[21:50] <lpapp> also, youtube is quite popular on phones as well, so it is not all that unlikely.
[21:50] <mungbean> it woukld prob take a few months for them to do this first
[21:52] <Darael> They'd probably only bother with people who were going *way* over whatever their fair use policy cap was on a regular basis.
[21:53] <lpapp> unlimited is unlimited.
[21:53] <lpapp> fair usage is unlimited.
[21:53] <ali1234> lol
[22:04] <diplo> GiffGaff did that to abusers, people who would downloading 15GB + a month
[22:05] <lpapp> yes, I just heard that from my friend.
[22:07] <mungbean> good thing imo
[22:07] <magpie> does anyone know how to limit the amount of cpu lxdm-binary rinses?
[22:18] <mungbean> optimize it no, but you can use nice/renice to decrease priority
[22:19] <mungbean> how much is it using magpie
[22:20] <mungbean> is it bug 922363
[22:21] <magpie> 24%
[22:21] <magpie> bare in mind i have a 4 core
[22:21] <magpie> mungbean i seen the bug
[22:22] <mungbean> i mean bug 892683
[22:22] <magpie> i'm not sure how to fix it though
[22:22] <mungbean> 24% of 4Core = 100 of 1 cpu
[22:22] <magpie> yeah that's right
[22:22] <magpie> it's using my second core
[22:23] <magpie> weird that
[22:23] <mungbean> are u using ecryotfs
[22:23] <mungbean> are u using ecryptfs
[22:23] <magpie> someone's put a patch mungbean how would i apply it?
[22:23] <magpie> i think so yeah
[22:23] <magpie> my home is encrypted
[22:24] <magpie> i read somewhere that htis was a problem for it
[22:24] <mungbean> yes
[22:24] <mungbean> theres a patch for lxdm
[22:26] <magpie> do you know how i can apply it?
[22:27] <mungbean> if nobody has built it u need to recompile lxdm
[22:27] <magpie> will this not work http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/appy-patch-file-using-patch-command/
[22:28] <mungbean> sorry putting baby to sleep now, someone else in here should be ale to help with patch & compile
[22:32] <magpie> ok i'm gunna try link first n see where that takes me