=== sam_nazarko is now known as Guest82285 === sam_nazarko is now known as Guest85528 [07:32] Azelphur: weathering the bitcoin storm ok? [07:37] AlanBell: We have an interview in 20mins [07:47] Good morning peeps :) [07:48] bigcalm: http://www.marshmallowpeeps.com/ ? [07:48] Hehe [07:49] MartijnVdS: a contraction of peoples ;) [07:49] bigcalm: I know :) [07:49] But I do sometimes think of the edible peeps [07:49] Don't eat people! [07:50] Soilent Green is marshmallow peeps [07:50] appropriate http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/damn-it-beth-brains-again/ [07:51] Hehe [07:51] popey: any movement on bug 1168160 ? [07:51] bug 1168160 in popey "Hair cut required" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1168160 [07:51] pfft [07:51] popey: you're a project now? :) [07:52] * bigcalm giggles# [07:56] Hope he's neat and tidy for the Beerex ;-) [07:56] * TheOpenSourcerer is wearing a suit & tie today - 1st time in EONS! [07:57] And it's not for work. It's for luncheon [07:57] Something to be said for working from home or a tech company that doesn't do much face to face with clients :) [07:57] Reminds me that I need new slippers [07:58] I can't think of any of our csutomers that wear suits. Was with a new one yesterday - T-Shirts & jeans all round [07:58] Lunch is at the Rugby Club :-D [07:59] Nothing funnier than a beefy sports person squeezed into a suit [08:00] Update from Citylink: Out for delivery - 12 April 2013 5:53:00. This is why packages don't get delivered [08:03] Hayley is coming to the RAT and it is definitely no longer a stag event. Hope this doesn't put anybody off [08:07] outrage! [08:08] popey: I invited her as I thought we could make a long weekend of it. Visit my now pregnant sister in Salisbury and then the Mary Rose in Portsmouth [08:10] Sister is due around the date of the wedding. She apologised for the timing. Silly lass === michelle is now known as michelle_ [08:30] bigcalm: They do allow women on the RAT - in fact their numbers have increased greatly over the years. BUt the newer models don't seem to have beards. I seem to recall daubers bringing his better half previously too. [08:31] o.O [08:31] TheOpenSourcerer: if you recall, Hayley was with us last year :) [08:32] My recollection capacity is inversely proportional to the amount of beer I drink. [08:33] * bigcalm goes hunting for photos [08:33] What goes on tour... [08:34] stays fuzzy [08:34] lol [08:34] TheOpenSourcerer: not sure if you can see this page or not https://plus.google.com/photos/113834766641843352499/albums/5766438397337827793 [08:36] popey: living the dream :) [08:37] why did i watch threads last night - man that was a grim film [08:37] Morning all [08:39] Buzzing in here as usual I see, hehe [08:40] would you rather 100+ people said "morning" every time someone arrived? [08:41] Well, it's nice to feel noticed [08:41] welcome to IRC ;-) [08:41] we generally ignore each other [08:41] It's a special kind of love :) [08:42] say something worth noticing ☻ [08:42] Ouch [08:42] I've come in here because I'm doing the most boring, long winded job in the world at the moment [08:42] ouch indeed! [08:43] mungbean: if I don't remember wrong, they might have shown Grave of the Fireflies some time ago. [08:43] it's probably not as grim as threads, but it got me seeing nightmares for a week. [08:44] Oh my, I couldn't watch the whole of Grave of the Fireflies [08:44] So sad :'( [08:44] ikr [08:44] I'm getting old, just had to google ikr [08:45] Hey, bigcalm. I used to try to contribute to bug reports and testing etc, bet you can't guess why I stopped [08:45] I've told dsample I'm willing to watch it with him, in the summer, in the morning of a beautiful day with something nice like a trip to a museum or a country fair or something planned for the rest of the day [08:45] Myrtti: why would you watch it a 2nd time? [08:45] cliftonts: I guess it wasn't because they were filling your mailbox with bugmail [08:46] Myrtti: what's it about? [08:46] similar stuff? [08:46] mungbean: two kids in Japan during WWII [08:46] i was watching threads at 1am while feeding baby, wishing i was in bed 3 hrs previously [08:47] BigRedS: No, it's because I tend to find those 'in the know' are very abrupt and rude. I got fed up with having my head bitten off for trying to get involved and trying to be friendly. [08:47] no one bites heads in here [08:47] my spidey sense is tingling [08:47] tsk [08:47] that looked like an incredibly uncloaked dig at me there cliftonts [08:48] I dunno mungbean, even something meant well and taken the wrong way can still put people off [08:48] guise, let's look at kittens [08:48] thats why we have winky symbols ;) [08:48] http://imgur.com/r/aww/4xXKgVJ [08:48] popey, not specifically but your comments don't exactly make me feel welcome. It's something I've seen a lot off in Ubuntu circles over the last 6 years [08:49] anywayyyyyy. [08:49] can i get the mtp stuff thats in 13.04 in 12.04 easily? [08:50] cliftonts: look at it from a point of view other than your own [08:50] cliftonts: you arrive and almost every time make some snide comment within minutes [08:50] we sit here all day and converse, and don't happen to throw out the red carpet and balloons the second you walk in [08:50] you're reading too much into that. [08:51] Tell you what then, I won't bother having a sense of humor in future. Sorry for being an individual. [08:51] pfft [08:51] its not even monday. [08:51] tell you what, I'm feeling anxious because JamesTait hasn't told me what "day" it is yet [08:52] eek! [08:52] I did try to pull you all to watching kittens. [08:52] oh well. [08:52] * Laney calls his mother [08:52] I get +10points for trying [08:52] Laney: it's The first day of Cerealia [08:52] Laney: also, Commemoration of first human in space (Yuri Gagarin) [08:52] his bot is broke [08:52] you usurper! [08:54] Laney: someone had to! [08:54] Laney: people were feeling UNEASE [09:01] Good morning all, happy Friday, and happy Walk On Your Wild Side Day! >:-) [09:01] MartijnVdS, I'm disappointed in you. [09:01] JamesTait: But.. Cerealia is a very important part of ancient Roman culture! [09:01] And Laney, how could you doubt me? Have I ever let you down? [09:02] I was getting worried something had happened to you! [09:02] MartijnVdS, I'm sure it is, but you could at least let me seat go cold before you try to sit in it. ;) [09:02] Laney, aw shucks! :-P [09:03] Laney, I never knew you cared! [09:03] ♥ [09:03] get a room [09:03] MartijnVdS: have you done a openwrt jobby using a usb->serial adapter? [09:04] Are you not feeling the love, popey? [09:05] hah [09:05] he's jealous and wants some of the love [09:05] mungbean: yes, one of the "FTDI" ones that you tend to get when playing with Arduinos [09:07] * JamesTait offers popey a koeksister peace offering. [09:07] ARRGH Rev. A2 only: Some resistors (R264, R273, R275) are missing, so the serial port won't work. I've bridged them with solder (since I don't have access to SMT equipment), and it seems like it's working. This is not needed for rev. A3. [09:07] looks like i wasted my time [09:10] mungbean: you don't have a soldering iron? [09:11] not at work [09:11] aha :) [09:11] and, tbh, its a rubbish AP [09:11] i just wanted to play [09:11] get a WDR4300 ;) [09:12] this was free [09:12] OK a 703n then (they're $15 on ebay) [09:13] i don't understand tho: http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/d-link/dwl-2100ap#installing [09:13] what it means by "press ESC until you get a boot prompt" ..esc where? [09:13] mungbean: in the terminal app :) [09:13] mungbean: you can do "screen /dev/ttyUSBx" for the USB-serial port (or /dev/ttyACMx, or whatever it becomes) [09:13] mungbean: then press ESC in that [09:14] you could attach a VT-100 and press esc on that, of course [09:14] ah ok [09:14] it wasn't clear [09:14] you can do screen /dev/ttyUSB0? [09:15] i thought u had to do minicom stuff? [09:15] * JamesTait just had to re-read that too, mungbean. [09:15] mungbean: yeah but minicom is a bit heavyweight, screen can do the same just fine [09:15] huh? screen can do that?? [09:15] AlanBell: uhhuh :) [09:15] screen the byobu thing? [09:16] AlanBell: screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 [09:16] I was about to deduct 0.5 geek points from myself, but I see I'm not the only one. [09:16] or 9600.. or 57600, or whatever port :) [09:16] JamesTait: I'll take those geek points ;) [09:16] Bah! [09:16] I was about to say the same thing. Thought the xbee device I've been using runs at 9600. Wireless mesh is sloooooooooooooooooooooooow [09:16] http://www.vim-fu.com/using-screen-to-connect-to-a-serial-console/ [09:17] wait wait wait... everyone try resizing a window in raring, while holding shift [09:17] SuperMatt: I resize using alt.. [09:17] SuperMatt: I'm on 12.10 and that was fun [09:17] I KNOW RIGHT? [09:18] we all learned something cool today MartijnVdS thanks [09:18] that's clearly been there for longer than I was aware of, but dang it's good [09:18] i work in a university, finding people willing to do soldering for me should be easy right? [09:18] SuperMatt, interesting! [09:19] just head to the engineering department! [09:19] I can't think of a single reason I'd want to use that feature, but it's still interesting! [09:20] MartijnVdS, you can have my geek points, you're worthy of them. [09:20] I had no idea screen could do this. [09:20] wakka wakka [09:20] * directhex moos [09:20] Time to get these UPS batteries fitted [09:21] It's not working in Xfwm I am disappointed :( [09:21] heh bigcalm did that on weds [09:21] live while the vmware infrastructure chugged away [09:23] mungbean: Ah, this is in an UPS that has to be unplugged and dismantled to replace things. It's not actually designed for the operation but people still do it. [09:23] oh which make? a big jobby, or a rack mount one? [09:24] mungbean: I work from home. Some belkin thing [09:24] oh. i don't actually have any serial pins. http://wiki.openwrt.org/_media/inbox/d-link/dwl-2100ap/serial_a2.png [09:25] I've been running without UPS for several months now. I couldn't take the stress any more and ordered new batteries [09:25] mungbean: that's the JTAG header [09:25] mungbean: the serial header should be next to it? [09:25] mungbean: ah yes, you solder headers onto those [09:25] Belkin :-( [09:25] this is a fail [09:25] gonna waste my time on something else [09:25] Myrtti: it's what the company bought me [09:25] lucky the cable only cost £1.69 [09:26] Myrtti: and I feel the same way [09:28] i want to snooze but there's someone else in the office atm [09:28] Haha [09:28] That never stopped my boss when we used to share an office [09:30] snooze after lunch is acceptable, but 10.30? [09:30] I could do with a snooze right now [09:31] poor missis sacrificed some sleep so i could get 6hrs [09:31] she had 4 [09:31] Quite often I fall asleep during my lunch break [09:31] 4 hours? She doesn't know how good she's got it! [09:31] When I were a lad.... [09:32] The above is one of many reasons that I'm glad we don't have children [09:32] early days, shoud get better when sprog is > 4 months [09:33] http://youtu.be/Xe1a1wHxTyo [09:33] but i do find myself liek this http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NjPGHZOm_b0/TevXfBmcruI/AAAAAAAACBg/ZYvPPRYN0d4/s1600/tumblr_lkxxp8abYX1qcalu5o1_500.jpg [09:33] Heheh. [09:36] It does look like I'm about to lose my weekend lie-ins. My eldest son has been having golf lessons at 9am on Saturday mornings, and now my youngest wants to start tennis lessons at 8:30 on Sunday mornings. [09:37] JamesTait: get them to play football instead ;) [09:37] I suppose I'm finally going to have to admit defeat and start going to bed earlier. [09:37] like a true old man [09:37] MartijnVdS, I tried, I really did - but they're just not interested in football. [09:38] can't they learn on the playstation? [09:38] Wifelet takes the offspring to church on Sunday morning.. I object to church, but I don't object to Sunday morning being peaceful [09:38] MartijnVdS, I can go off people, you know. ;) [09:38] my son loves church as the higlight of his week (me too in fact) [09:38] awilkins: wow, people still do that? [09:40] MartijnVdS, Yeah, religion is still endemic. A mostly benign parasitic disease of the mind (hey, at least it keeps some other diseases out) [09:40] good morning everyone. [09:40] yo bro [09:40] trying to find an alternative AP that supports {dd,open}wrt in the cupboar [09:40] morning mungbean [09:41] linksys WAP4400n ...nope. what a lame AP [09:41] a rpi and a wifi apaptor that supports ap mode. [09:42] brobostigon: is the control socket stuff working now? [09:42] yeah was hoping for zero cost solution [09:42] have to find sometihng else to learn today, like maybe backing up my stuff to amazon glacier [09:42] MartijnVdS: yes, works fine, now need to work out that bridging, [09:43] mungbean: http://r.ebay.com/yYK8tO [09:44] Am I missing a link somewhere, or does ubuntuforums.org not accept OpenID auth from Ubuntu SSO? [09:44] brobostigon: http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections [09:44] MartijnVdS: i am reading that as we speak, :) [09:44] brobostigon: good :) [09:45] MartijnVdS: :) [09:45] MartijnVdS: what's the connection for the 3g? [09:45] brobostigon: it explains the basics well, you can find the rest in the manual, or here: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/ [09:45] mungbean: It's just an USB port [09:45] ah ok. stiull cute [09:46] mungbean: there's no 3G modem in the device, you have to attach one yourself [09:46] MartijnVdS: ah, hadnt though about ldp, :) [09:46] brobostigon: it's old but good :) [09:46] MartijnVdS: :) [09:46] just seen the lower pictures now [09:47] mungbean: this is one of the most hackable devices at the moment -- the OpenWRT wiki has complete pinouts of EVERYTHING on that tiny board :) [09:47] http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wr703n [09:47] hi folks [09:48] is the flashing of openwrt straightforward? [09:48] just installed qemu-kvm on 12.10, now why can't I select virtio drivers in virt-manager for a guest? [09:48] cannot find anything related with apt-cache either [09:48] All I have available is ide, scsi and usb. [09:48] mungbean: yes, but you have to compile a snapshot yourself, because newer devices won't boot with the current latest Release candidate [09:51] hm, I think I'll check the qemu channel... [09:55] mungbean: fwiw I had very little trouble with my netgear wndr 3700 [09:57] wndr 3700 \o/ [09:57] I still haven't got around to attempting to unbrick my wndr 3800 [10:08] Morning all [10:09] Morning davmor2 [10:09] davmor2: had the discs replaced. Garage said that it was normal wear for 3 years of use [10:10] bigcalm: Yay [10:13] bigcalm: I got my broken wiper off, and am in the process of free up the spindle though that might take a few days. I also did some research and found out what the issue is too. The spindle is steel and the housing aluminium so it is corrosion over rust :( [10:13] Oh dear [10:14] my dad used to have MOT wipers [10:14] I'm thinking my boot window lock switch is a wiring fault rather than fuse. If it were the fuse, the key fob wouldn't be able to unlock it [10:14] brand new set he'd put on the day before MOT [10:15] Oh speaking of wipers. What's a good make to go for? I'm fed up of the constant smearing seen on mine and my lady's car [10:16] bigcalm: no necessarily don't forget the switch needs power, where as the remote will just have a controller on the motor for release :) [10:16] Humm [10:16] bigcalm: valeo [10:16] davmor2: I wish there was a Haynes manual for our car [10:16] there is I have one [10:17] Lies! [10:17] :O [10:17] There wasn't one the last time I looked (several months ago) [10:17] * bigcalm orders [10:18] bigcalm: I had to go to halfords to get a new license plate for our trailer tent and saw it on offer so swiped it quick [10:19] davmor2: I'm booked in to have the DAB radio fitted on Monday. Will have a mooch then [10:20] Now to find one for Hayley's Huindai Matrix [10:20] bigcalm: it was 16.99 rather than 20 odd [10:21] bigcalm: http://www.haynes.com/mole [10:21] davmor2: nice [10:22] davmor2: they have the Toyota Matrix, not the Hyundai one [10:22] correlation between work on raring and bugs in 12.04?https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2012.04&period=day [10:23] bigcalm: http://ubuntuone.com/1oipmuRCKL1JJBFbPAk8Jv just to prove it covers ours :) [10:24] davmor2: I do believe you :) http://www.haynes.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=53659&langId=-1 [10:25] bigcalm: that looks just like the picture on the front of mine ;) [10:25] Amazing eh? [10:26] Being ill has helped me loose a few extra pounds. I should get sick more often [10:26] Being offered free pizza by papa johns has helped me put on a few extra pounds [10:26] I really need to avoid papa johns [10:26] Hehe [10:28] * SuperMatt grumbles because a script he wrote, and was working perfectly on another machine, has decided not to work [10:28] haha Peugeot [10:29] although I'd laugh even harder if it were Renault [10:29] that lsb_release crash is hilarious [10:30] Myrtti: nothing wrong with our cars and peugeot/citreon use Ubuntu in their plants :P [10:30] davmor2: McDonalds uses bacon in some of their food. it doesn't make McDonalds any better. [10:30] * bigcalm tickles Myrtti [10:31] are we arguing the merits of bacon? [10:31] SuperMatt: no jono loses everytime [10:31] no. French cars. [10:31] :( [10:32] Myrtti: it's not Mine was built in Britain :P [10:32] oh no, it must be bad-pun-o'clock [10:33] SuperMatt: Oh come on, an hour with jono or a bacon butty, you can't tell me jono is going to win [10:33] davmor2: so it's not *quite* as bad as French cars. [10:33] mmm... bacon butty [10:33] told you [10:33] we shouldn't talk about bacon [10:33] because I'm trying to lose some poundage [10:34] gonna go cycling tomorrow, assuming I can find the key for my D lock [10:34] otherwise I'm walking all the way to the fabric shop [10:34] That's easy, buy it from a cafe you'll be a couple of pounds lighter than you went in with :) [10:34] BAD PUNS [10:35] I'm already wondering what to have for lunch, not good [10:35] SuperMatt: indeed but I couldn't resist [10:35] I think I'm going to shimmy to the nearest boots and pick up one of their cheap/healthy lunch deals [10:35] bigcalm: Bacon and Bread and Brown Sauce [10:36] except now it's raining [10:36] * SuperMatt shakes a fist at the gods [10:36] davmor2: sausages in the freezer. Good idea, ta [10:36] SMITE ME DOWN FOR I CANNOT LIVE IN THIS WET WORLD ANY MORE! [10:36] SuperMatt: that's why god gave you waterproofs :P [10:36] SuperMatt: http://www.just-eat.co.uk/ [10:36] no gods supplied me with an anorak [10:36] MartijnVdS: hahahaha [10:37] my mum did once, but I never wore it [10:37] then again I kinda want a Mini if I ever get a licence to drive [10:37] or an old Saab [10:37] SuperMatt: so.. you're NOT an anorak then? [10:37] Just Eat is a joke. For my post code it returns 3 Indian restaurants and 1 Chinese take-away [10:37] something that I can learn to fix myself [10:38] Myrtti: Saab 900 turbo it's the only one you can still get parts for :) [10:38] bigcalm: the restaurants need to sign up [10:38] Why a Saab? [10:38] because Scandinavia? [10:38] Hmm [10:38] davmor2: yes. [10:39] MartijnVdS, Myrtti: you could always get a volvo :) [10:39] jacobw: because I'm inclined towards Volvos, VW's and Saabs. [10:39] davmor2: yes, it would work with my problem with left and right, as it says on the steering wheel which is which [10:39] Now variety has changed my background to doughnuts, cookies and muffins. ARGH [10:40] (it's an old Finnish joke: *V*asen for left and *O*ikea for right) [10:40] :D [10:40] IKEA? [10:40] * bigcalm got it [10:41] bigcalm: got what [10:41] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Volvo_steering_wheel.jpg [10:41] davmor2: the Finnish play on words [10:41] My desktop image: http://wallpapers.net/many_cookies-wallpapers.html :( [10:43] Humm, forgot to take my service record with me for the service yesterday. Looks like I'm going out at lunch today [10:43] bigcalm: most of those aren't cookies! I am most disappointed [10:43] BigRedS: the name is very misleading. [10:44] bigcalm: you could always deselect the food ones :P [10:45] my wallpaper: https://plus.google.com/117058794763073546749/posts/6daZhLPHtk8 [10:46] Myrtti: ooh, shiny [10:47] Myrtti: this is mine: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/6816260055/in/set-72157629167894627/lightbox/ [10:49] this is my current one http://ubuntuone.com/65C2A5xIZswgrPn619Dc0i well on my main box any way on all the others it's the default :) [10:50] davmor2: Ubuntu 14.04 - Tasty Tiger? [10:51] MartijnVdS: http://ubuntuone.com/28jkCVrUhgqIHmvenfI389 Terrifying Tiger [10:52] davmor2: Looks like a hot day. Toasty tiger? [10:54] MartijnVdS: it was when ever I go to see them it seem to be the hottest day on earth [10:55] MartijnVdS: I think it was 28c that day [10:57] !textadept <-- sorry just seeing if this package is listed [ http://ppa.webupd8.org/post/47615409606/textadept-4-5-available-in-the-main-webupd8-ppa ] [10:57] bootkigftrgds1: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [10:57] leaves [10:58] someone should tell bootkigftrgds1 about /query lubotu3 [10:58] and !info [10:58] and honey badgers [10:59] popey: someone should tell him about, apt-cache search, or usc, or apps.ubuntu.com/cat , or package.ubuntu.com ........................... [11:02] This just landed in my inbox with the title "What's new? Walnut, velvet and leather!" was about to hit the spam button till I realised it was Ikea :) [11:03] 8-) [11:07] I should probably close a tab or two http://ubuntuone.com/1u99Qxy9CTsPjyT9yJRkxt [11:08] popey: s/two/& hundred/ [11:08] thats just one window [11:09] popey, that's a very wide window. I have the same problem, but my tabs scroll. [11:10] well this was in my inbox today: https://plus.google.com/100016383867666174158/posts/dAu8DWBPGdg [11:10] * MartijnVdS rarely has >4 tabs open at once [11:10] !info nasty [11:10] While useful for keeping the tab titles readable, it doesn't help in demonstrating to me just how many tabs I still have open. [11:10] nasty (source: nasty): A tool which helps you to recover your GPG passphrase. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.6-2 (quantal), package size 8 kB, installed size 68 kB [11:11] I usually realise how bad the situation has got when my machine starts swapping furiously and Firefox is using 3G RAM. [11:11] popey: at least you can see tabs :) [11:12] Ooh. Github drinkup in London tomorrow [11:13] BigRedS: speaking of github - http://starlogs.net/ [11:14] Myrtti: does that mean you are already hitting seals? How do the double it do they provide you with a baseball bat :D You'd think they would check if it could be misinterpreted really wouldn't you :) [11:14] MartijnVdS: yeah, I've been sticking all my repos through that this morning :) [11:14] I think it'll start turning up in my "look how much work I did today" emails [11:15] haha :) [11:15] BigRedS: you don't won't github getting drunk really do you, I mean can you image what it would do with your code. Only buy pepsi's [11:16] Ooh, actually, it's not obvious how I can link to a particular repo in there [11:16] davmor2: it can't make it much worse... :) [11:16] BigRedS: hack on it - https://github.com/artemave/StarLogs [11:16] ( https://github.com/blog/1471-london-drinkup for anyone interested in Free beer in London ) [11:17] MartijnVdS: fork that! [11:17] BigRedS: Shouldn't we be calling people who work at/on/for Github "hubsters" [11:17] ? [11:17] "I cloned that project before it was cool" [11:17] " [11:18] "? [11:18] Want to hack on it? No problem. But first, it is not just Javascript and CSS. It is pogoscript and sass. Oh, and they require node.js and ruby respectively." [11:18] bah [11:18] newline fail :( [11:18] but, anyway, that's four things I don't know how to use and two things I don't like using [11:18] I'll just make another page that uses WWW::Mech or something :) [11:18] s........ass [11:20] I did misread/misinterpret that first as "Service As A Service" [11:21] BigRedS: 8-) [11:21] BigRedS: that sounds like a "dot-com" era business model [11:23] pogoscript looks truly terrible [11:24] it's basically ruby that compiles to javascript [11:42] ew [11:47] code that writes code is not happy code [11:50] AlanBell: tell that to SkyNet [11:59] AlanBell: Tell that to a Lispnik. [12:04] most of my bash scripts are written by Perl scripts these days [12:05] BigRedS: eval "`what`"? [12:05] hm [12:05] eval `what` [12:05] might work better [12:06] I've been doing a bunch of migrationy stuff, so it's concocting lists of rsync and mysql(dump) invocations. I'm not confident enough to backtick it, so I write a shell script that I have a read over before running [12:14] cheers all [12:29] is there a way to allow a non-root user to dd stuff to an sd card?/ [12:30] AlanBell: I think so [12:30] speaking of which [12:30] AlanBell: securely, or not? :) [12:30] two USB 3.0 sticks just arrived [12:31] MartijnVdS: I just don't want to accidentally one day pick /dev/sda instead of /dev/sdb [12:31] it is only me doing it, I just want to protect myself from myself [12:31]