[00:00]  * pleia2 uses any excuse she can to go play outside again, so nice!
[00:00] <knome> that's good
[00:09] <Pwnna> thanks pleia2!
[08:43] <pleia2> knome: so I did some thorough go-throughs of controlling, themes and styles and experiences
[08:43] <knome> pleia2, i noticed
[08:43] <knome> good good
[08:43] <pleia2> falling asleep :( halfway through the xfce desktop one (around panels section)
[08:44] <knome> awwh
[08:45] <pleia2> I'll finish that and go through testing and community tomorrow I guess
[08:45] <knome> ok
[08:50] <pleia2> actually, I am being compelled to stay up later, back to desktop then
[08:50] <knome> mmh
[08:50] <knome> ok
[09:00] <pleia2> alright, that'll do it, didn't need much changes in the 2nd half (or I'm too tired :))
[09:00] <pleia2> testing and community tomorrow then
[09:01]  * pleia2 attempts going toward bed again
[09:01] <knome> heh
[09:01] <knome> good night
[09:55] <knome> can somebody confirm if the new wallpaper is in raring or not?
[09:57] <knome> apparently not.
[10:00] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork indicates no.
[10:01] <knome> yeah.
[10:01] <knome> we need that uploaded.
[10:02] <knome> also, the new terminal doesn't seem to be able to switch off tab changing on alt+num
[10:03] <Unit193> ...That's not acceptable, actually.
[10:03] <knome> no
[10:05] <knome> oh.
[10:05] <knome> it's a new "feature"
[10:05] <knome> http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/appearance#menu_and_buttons
[10:08] <Unit193> Eh, hopefully this doesn't pan out as bad as I think it might. ;P
[10:08] <knome> which would be?
[10:09] <knome> skellat, you around?
[10:09] <Unit193> Either new terminal or held package is worst case. :P  06:09 his time now.
[10:13] <knome> well it's okay.
[10:13] <knome> just set that feature on in appearance, then change the terminal shortcuts once
[10:13] <knome> and actually...
[10:13] <knome> seems like we can affect that with a config file as well
[10:13] <knome> let's do that next cycle
[10:13] <Unit193> Indeed.
[10:14] <knome> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5701030/
[10:14] <knome> paste that in ~./confic/xfce4/terminal/accels.scm and all tabs are alt+shift+[num]
[10:16] <Unit193> Should put that in roadmap or else it may be forgotten.
[10:16] <knome> yeah yeah.
[10:16] <knome> :)
[10:16] <knome> i'll put it in my todo
[10:18] <knome> skellat, if you have time, could you take care of handling packaging stuff for bug 1168339?
[10:18] <knome> skellat, the code is ready in a branch in LP, commented on the bug
[10:19] <knome> skellat, and how's things with bug 1158431 progressing?
[10:25] <knome> micahg, if you are around, please ping me
[11:35] <knome> baizon, do you want to use your nick in the printed magazine article?
[11:35] <baizon> knome: you can erase my name imo
[11:35] <baizon> i mena i didnt wrote anything :) just gave hints
[11:36] <knome> ok, done.
[11:37] <knome> thanks for helping out
[11:38] <baizon> np
[12:54] <knome> pleia2, worked some more on the testing and themes articles
[12:54] <knome> pleia2, latter now has some kind of conclusion, but you might want to have a stab at it, it's quite clumsy
[12:54] <knome> bb,
[12:54] <knome> bbl too.
[13:13] <skellat> knome: Got xubuntu-artwork building in my PPA and updated LP Bug #1168339  to include ubuntu-sponsors.  Whether anybody picks it up is beyond my ability to predict at this point.
[14:04] <ochosi> skellat: btw, i wouldn't consider the Greybird-bug a UIFe, it's really more bugfix, but if it has better chances of getting sponsored that way it's fine
[14:14] <skellat> And the branch is uploaded for LP Bug #1158431
[14:15] <skellat> And now we wait
[14:16]  * skellat done with morning wakeup Xubuntu things and has to get ready to go apply for a job somewhere
[14:36] <ochosi> skellat: thanks a lot for the greybird stuff! it's really much appreciated
[16:38] <xubuntu276> Hi I just installed Xubuntu 13.04beta2 and all updates and am very happy so far.  Showstopper issue for me is sessions are not being restored propering after logout or reboot.
[16:40] <xubuntu276> I could live with Xfce as I can't stand Unity and have found Mate and Cinemon to be more annoying than better than Ubuntu 10.04 Gnome2 was
[16:41] <xubuntu276> Only thing I've see so far that would qualify as a but is using prefered applications to change my default Xterm from Xfce-xterm to gnome-xterm crashed X-server when I opened the third Xterm.
[16:43] <xubuntu276> Just want to congratulate the developers and hope they will eventually address this issue by the next LTS Xubuntu release.  I',m committed to only using LTS releases but test out other things from time to time.  The direction Ubuntu is going is not looking like anything I want :(
[16:45] <xubuntu276> Since I can't type or spell worth a damn, live chat is not a great tool for me!
[17:11]  * alpacaherder points out to knome that his UIFe is moving along (even though he's really skellat out at the farm): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork/+bug/1168339/comments/3
[17:12] <alpacaherder> Just need to get ubuntu-docs signed off
[17:15]  * alpacaherder disappears to get check on the baby chicks and the bantams as well as other farm responsibilities while he is away from his normal ZNC proxy
[19:49] <lsdma> Hi, I'm just testing Xubuntu 386 daily Live Session and encountered a Bug with gnome-sudoku. Where shall i file the Bugreport?
[20:21] <knome> lsdma, in launchpad, against the gnome-sudoku package in ubuntu.
[20:21] <lsdma> thanks
[20:22] <knome> np
[20:22] <knome> lsdma, and just to make sure, are you submitting the reports to the iso tracker?
[20:22] <lsdma> thats the Plan
[20:23] <knome> great, thanks for the help
[20:23] <knome> feel free to ask for further advice if you need some, people on this channel should be able to help
[20:24] <lsdma> Thanks, i feel it is about time to give something back
[20:33] <knome> :)
[20:34] <knome> i definitely hope our testing is more organized next cycle, so if you stick with us, we will hopefully be a better community for testers too
[20:35] <skellat> knome: I had sent an e-mail using the Launchpad team contact facility to ask the 56 known members of sponsors if anybody would be up to piloting the two remaining bits to conclusion
[20:38] <knome> thanks
[20:38] <knome> as you probably noticed, the UIFe is approved
[20:41] <skellat> Yep
[20:41] <skellat> Which is a good thing
[20:46] <knome> sure
[22:02] <knome> pleia2, ohai!
[22:02] <pleia2> hello
[22:02] <pleia2> crazy day
[22:02] <knome> :)
[22:03] <knome> i woke up with a really bad neckache
[22:04] <knome> but it's better now, took a few painkillers in the morning and got some excersize
[22:04] <knome> i'm really tired though
[22:16] <pleia2> I am tiiired
[22:26] <knome> yeah
[22:27]  * pleia2 looks at articles
[22:29] <pleia2> happy times, europeans
[22:32] <pleia2> themes article is fine I think
[22:34]  * pleia2 s/CD/DVD in testing article
[22:37] <knome> i know.
[22:42] <pleia2> does testing need a conclusion?
[22:42] <pleia2> I made some changes, it feels better now
[22:43] <pleia2> any comments on "controlling xubuntu"?
[22:43] <pleia2> I wrote it, so it's obviously awesome and I think it's fine
[22:45] <pleia2> made one comment on "experiences" otherwise I think it's ok
[22:47] <knome> hehe
[22:47] <pleia2> good additions+changes to desktop article, looks good
[22:47] <knome> we should get the articles with the screenshots to the magazine ASAP so they can comment on the length and if we need to write more
[22:48] <pleia2> yeah
[22:48] <pleia2> shall we flip for screenshot duty? ;)
[22:48]  * pleia2 goes through community article now
[22:49] <knome> what if the other one gathers a list of screenshots we need per article, and other shoots them?
[22:50] <pleia2> I already started making the list
[22:50] <pleia2> my article has some notes about what I need
[22:50] <pleia2> adding Strategy Document link to your article, it's muy important
[22:51] <knome> heh, sure
[22:57]  * pleia2 s/won't bite/are friendly
[22:57] <pleia2> :)
[22:57] <pleia2> finished ruining your article
[23:00] <pleia2> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/8138289128/in/set-72157631927163838
[23:00] <pleia2> should use that picture
[23:00] <pleia2> even if it makes me look fat
[23:00] <knome> fat next to me? no chance!
[23:00] <pleia2> and this one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/8152535628/in/set-72157631927163838/
[23:01] <pleia2> maybe this! http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/7575382402/in/set-72157630589008812
[23:02] <knome> yeah, why nyt
[23:02] <knome> not
[23:02] <knome> i'm wondering how much space we have since i got a bit overboard with the chars!
[23:03] <pleia2> I'll let them worry about that I think :)
[23:03] <knome> ;)
[23:03] <knome> sure.
[23:03] <pleia2> they gave us an estimate, typesetting go-go!
[23:04] <pleia2> I think I am done editing everything now
[23:04] <Unit193> knome: You're a big dude anyway, and I'm not talking belly.
[23:05] <knome> i will try to look them through tomorrow
[23:05] <pleia2> you're a chimpanzee
[23:05] <knome> Unit193, heh. thanks, i guess :)
[23:05] <knome> haha!
[23:05] <Unit193> pleia2: I've been called a gibbon.
[23:05] <pleia2> I saw the picture
[23:05] <pleia2> was a chimp!
[23:05] <knome> pleia2, how bad would the photo from the bar be?
[23:05] <Unit193> (No, as in, someone did in person.  "You're like a gibbon."
[23:05] <Unit193> )
[23:05] <pleia2> knome: I do love that photo :)
[23:06] <knome> i can't make up my mind on which one would be better
[23:06] <pleia2> was just thinking the other because it has more people in it
[23:06] <knome> sure, but otoh, it's the same people + a guy from xfce
[23:06] <pleia2> but we look like we're having more fun at the bar
[23:06] <pleia2> yeah
[23:06] <knome> ...whcich is a cool feat though
[23:06] <pleia2> maybe we go with bar pic, since it's funner and we want people to think we have fun
[23:07] <pleia2> (we don't just call each other names and fight over pixels)
[23:07] <knome> :D
[23:07] <knome> we do that *too*, though.
[23:07] <pleia2> hehe
[23:08] <knome> we should probably crop that pic a little
[23:09] <knome> thinking of removing the beer bottle neck and some extra space on the right hand side
[23:09] <pleia2> yeah
[23:09] <knome> also, i don't know HOW my badge ended up being not straight at all times!
[23:09] <knome> it was always like 35 degrees wrong
[23:09] <pleia2> "this is pleia2, she is a lush" "it's not even my beer!" "the first step is admitting you have a problem!"
[23:09] <knome> :D
[23:09] <genii-around> That first pis is really good.
[23:10] <genii-around> *pic
[23:10] <pleia2> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/8145973750/in/set-72157631927163838 is the bar one we're considering
[23:10] <Unit193> Indeed, just missing puit!
[23:10] <knome> Unit193, and simon. and sean. and...
[23:11] <genii-around> The middle one definitely needs cropping
[23:11] <knome> genii-around, you mean the middle guy in the first photo? yeah, i agree..
[23:11] <genii-around> Hehe
[23:11] <pleia2> chop out the audience!
[23:12] <knome> pleia2, should we take screenshots of raring or quantal?
[23:12] <pleia2> raring
[23:12] <knome> raring, i suppose
[23:12] <knome> yeah
[23:12] <pleia2> I wrote for raring in my article (some things changed!)
[23:12] <knome> :)
[23:12] <genii-around> I meant http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/8152535628/in/set-72157631927163838/   ... could take the top off down to the screen and left side up to where the logo starts
[23:12] <knome> where are you gathering the list of shots/photos we need
[23:13] <genii-around> knome: Is that you in the middle?
[23:13] <pleia2> I was, but then I started just goofing off
[23:13] <knome> genii-around, yeah ;)
[23:13] <genii-around> Thought so!
[23:15] <Unit193> pleia2: Got a list of screenshots needed?  I may be able to pick off a few...
[23:15] <genii-around> It's nice to put faces to names I see here. 
[23:15] <pleia2> knome: Controlling your Xubuntu system has all screenshot notes in it
[23:15] <Unit193> genii-around: Indeed!
[23:16] <knome> pleia2, i thought it might be easier to gather those in one place, then just take them and worry about attaching later
[23:16] <knome> :)
[23:16] <pleia2> aaaalll right
[23:16] <knome> but whatever works
[23:16] <pleia2> I shall make a screenshot doc
[23:17] <knome> i suppose i can do some ISO testing tomorrow and then take the shots from the newly installed system
[23:21] <pleia2> I emailed you Inoki Sakaeru's desktop screenshot
[23:21] <pleia2> it's got a dead skeleton thing on it
[23:24] <knome> why do you mention?
[23:24] <pleia2> no reason
[23:24] <knome> ok
[23:24] <pleia2> suppose I can toss vms up to do Unity and KDE desktops
[23:24] <pleia2> even if it's icky
[23:24] <pleia2> :)
[23:25] <pleia2> just kidding, I love you all!
[23:25] <knome> ah, it's not that graphic anyway
[23:26] <knome> i would have thought the bird made you feel worse than the skeleton
[23:26] <pleia2> yeah, birds make skeletons after they feed on the flesh of the living
[23:26] <pleia2> nasty critters
[23:26] <micahg> knome: ?
[23:27] <knome> micahg, we need package uploads.
[23:27] <knome> micahg, shimmer-themes still, and xubuntu-artwork also
[23:27] <micahg> knome: shimmer-themes still?  mr_pouit did that before UIFe I thought
[23:28] <micahg> knome: I can take a look tomorrow night, I also have to upload catfish
[23:28] <knome> no, we still have to upload some changes
[23:28] <knome> (he might've done that, but we need to refix things in that case)
[23:28] <knome> bug 1168339
[23:28] <micahg> well, xubuntu-artwork I know I can do, I can take a look at shimmer-themes, but can't promise
[23:29] <knome> i don't know what all you need to do on the packaging/technical side, but with common sense, it's really just updating a few files
[23:29] <knome> which do not need to be built or anything, so...
[23:29] <skellat> xubuntu-artwork should just need to be uploaded to the queue.  I built it in my PPA and it didn't explode.
[23:30] <knome> ochosi has been bugging how important the shimmer-themes upload is, but i didn't quite realize it until i upgraded to raring on my desktop today
[23:31] <knome> we really need to get that fixed
[23:31] <pleia2> lightdm fixed?
[23:31] <knome> yeah.
[23:31] <pleia2> would be good to have that land, it looks like not so good right now
[23:31] <knome> the shimmer-themes upload will fix that
[23:32] <knome> aiui, if it does not, i'll kick ochosi in the ankle
[23:32] <pleia2> haha
[23:33] <knome> micahg, and thanks again for your time and efforts.
[23:33] <skellat> For the sake of micahg, that particular bug being referred to is LP Bug #1158431
[23:34] <knome> ah yes, i was digging that up bug forgot. thanks skellat :)
[23:34] <skellat> No worries
[23:34] <knome> lol, "bug forgot"
[23:43] <pleia2> knome: you have your list!
[23:44] <knome> ta!
[23:56] <pleia2> I hope to see all screenshots when I wake up tomorrow!
[23:56] <pleia2> <3
[23:56] <knome> <3
[23:57] <knome> let's see when i have time for that
[23:57] <pleia2> :)
[23:57] <knome> in the next 24 hours, that's for sure
[23:57] <pleia2> \o/
[23:57] <pleia2> I'm good with the articles, so you can do a couple more edits, we gather screenshots and send off tomorrow!
[23:58] <knome> yup, that's greate
[23:58] <pleia2> I'll help with the non-default screenshots as needed
[23:58] <knome> -e
[23:58] <knome> good good :)
[23:58] <knome> taking the GNOME/KDE shots would definitely help
[23:58] <knome> anyway, -->
[23:58] <pleia2> k
[23:59]  * pleia2 grabs kubuntu and ubuntu isos
[23:59] <genii-around> What do you need of KDE screenshots? 
[23:59] <pleia2> genii-around: default raring desktop