| sary | Salutations! | 02:15 |
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| sary | i thought i was Idle in here ;( | 02:16 |
| sary | http://snipt.org/ziGh4 | 02:17 |
| darkxst | sary, they are harmless warnings | 02:35 |
| sary | hi darkxst, thank you .. it's good to know! as I've have been having many crash reports lately! | 03:11 |
| darkxst | sary that is mainly because apport is enabled while we are still in beta | 03:11 |
| sary | Nm-applet,gnome-shell, mission-control. | 03:12 |
| sary | darkxst: yeah . | 03:13 |
| darkxst | but would be particularly interest in any gnome-shell crashes | 03:14 |
| darkxst | well for 3.8, assuming you are using the ppa | 03:15 |
| sary | here is one !bug #1163651 | 03:18 |
| ubot5 | bug 1163651 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Gnome shell crashed with "apport" complaining about lack of memory to automatically analyse the problem " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1163651 | 03:18 |
| sary | hmm, wait .. | 03:18 |
| sary | I don't quite remember if i was using 3.8 of the shell and ppa was enabled while the crash in the above bug occurred. | 03:21 |
| sary | But, I don't see this crash anymore , or any other abnormal activities coming from the shell. | 03:23 |
| darkxst | sary memory usage should be much better now we have the new spidermonkey ppa | 03:45 |
| darkxst | in that bug though, it seems like something locked up your gpu | 03:46 |
| sary | darkxst: yeah, difinitely was coming from nvidia closed source driver . | 03:59 |
| sary | as i remembered now, i saw a driver-updates for the current driver, i had to give it a shoot and try it, so i hae acivated the driver-updates while i had gnome 3.8 installed . | 04:02 |
| darkxst | the later nvidia drivers (313 series) have been pretty much perfect here with g-s | 04:04 |
| skinlayers | Quick question, if anyone knows the answer off hand. I run apt-cacher-ng on my server, so I usually install ubuntu via PXE netboot. I have the ISO for Ubuntu GNOME, but I was wondering if the linux, and initrd.gz files for it were around somewhere? | 04:05 |
| darkxst | skinlayers, they are in the iso | 04:06 |
| darkxst | just mount it and grab what you need | 04:06 |
| skinlayers | Thank you! I wasn't sure if I could use the ones straight off the iso or if the netboot ones were modified. | 04:06 |
| darkxst | they are also going to be exactly the same (I believe) as the vanilla ubuntu ones | 04:06 |
| skinlayers | hmm... then how does it pick which packages to install? Is there a preseed option for ubuntu-gnome? | 04:07 |
| darkxst | or actually maybe the casper stuff goess into initrd.gz | 04:07 |
| darkxst | that is mostly done when building the iso, everything is installed to a squashfs filesystem | 04:08 |
| darkxst | that gets copied to target machine, and then a few other bits and pieces will get installed by ubiquity | 04:09 |
| darkxst | yes, you should be able to do a oem preseed with it | 04:11 |
| skinlayers | Ubuntu Gnome uses the exact same repos as regular Ubuntu right? Its just a difference of packages? | 04:27 |
| darkxst | skinlayers, yes | 04:27 |
| darkxst | does a netboot use the squashfs off the iso? | 04:27 |
| skinlayers | Nope... it boots pxelinux.0, which then, depending on your menu choice, boots "linux" with a "inird.gz". | 04:31 |
| skinlayers | initrd.gz* | 04:31 |
| darkxst | I meant after that | 04:31 |
| skinlayers | And that boots a minimal debian installer that grabs all packages straight from the ubuntu repos | 04:31 |
| darkxst | ah I see | 04:32 |
| skinlayers | And it gives you the option to use a proxy, so I point it at my local apt-cacher-ng server. | 04:32 |
| skinlayers | So that way I can install from my network, and build from the latest packages | 04:32 |
| skinlayers | and But it doesn't use teh squashfs at all from what I know | 04:33 |
| darkxst | ok so you might need to track down the seed files that are used to build the iso | 04:33 |
| darkxst | they are on launchpad somewhere | 04:33 |
| darkxst | or just install ubuntu-gnome-desktop and ubuntu-gnome-default-settings | 04:34 |
| darkxst | on top of debian mini | 04:34 |
| darkxst | although I have no experience with netboot, its easy to unpack the ramdisk (initrd.gz) and have a look what is going on in there | 04:40 |
| skinlayers | @darkxst Thanks for the info! I've been digging around in the initrd for a while ;) | 05:25 |
| === Dave is now known as Guest19149 | ||
| bennypr0fane | hey, I am thinking about replacing regular Ubuntu 12.04 on my laptop with 13.04 Gnome - or Gnome Remix 12.10, given that the latter oddly has a longer life cycle as of now. Which of the 2 would you say comes with the more advanced state of Gnome out of the box, as of now? I now they both come with 3.6, but how about integration of extensions, user themes and other customizability (if that is even a direction that Gnome development is going in)? | 12:32 |
| bennypr0fane | * I know they both.... | 12:33 |
| darkxst | bennypr0fane, 13.04 will be better supported regardless of apparent life cycles | 12:45 |
| darkxst | I have a gnome-shell update that has been stuck in the update queue for like 6+ weeks now.... (for 12.10) | 12:48 |
| darkxst | not sure how we can really support updates in old releases when it takes that long | 12:49 |
| bennypr0fane | you mean you got that update pushed to 13.04 while it hasn't been in the repos for 12.10 at the same time? | 12:51 |
| darkxst | bennypr0fane, its in 13.04 | 12:51 |
| darkxst | waiting in queue for 12.10 | 12:51 |
| tommie-lie | hope that will be better with the shorter release cycles | 12:52 |
| darkxst | the packages in main seem to get priority for SRU's | 12:55 |
| darkxst | that said we will mostly be running from ppa's if you want the latest and greatest, so atleast we can fix those instantly | 12:55 |
| tommie-lie | but PPAs also have the problem of problems spreading quickly to everyone, just as quick as fixes | 12:56 |
| bennypr0fane | any of you guys help developing 13.04 Gnome? | 12:56 |
| bennypr0fane | tommie-lie isn't that more an asseT? | 12:57 |
| darkxst | gnome3 ppa is as official as you will get from a ppa | 12:57 |
| tommie-lie | bennypr0fane: hum... for my everyday working machine I'd like software that has been around for a month or so (if the userbase is large enough) | 12:58 |
| bennypr0fane | I don't get why theyx not taking in the shell extensions ppa from the webupd8 team | 12:58 |
| darkxst | tommie-lie, most things in gnome3 have been tested in staging before landing | 12:58 |
| darkxst | unless they are just minor updates | 12:58 |
| bennypr0fane | tommie-lie in that case, you might check the dates of packages you update... | 12:58 |
| tommie-lie | darkxst: you mean ppa:gnome3-staging? | 12:59 |
| darkxst | tommie-lie, yes | 12:59 |
| tommie-lie | darkxst: how well tested can I expect packages from gnome3? is every single update to one of them proposed to be an SRU (even if not accepted)? | 13:00 |
| darkxst | no SRU's | 13:00 |
| darkxst | big updates are tested in staging | 13:00 |
| darkxst | minor updates we test locally then update | 13:01 |
| darkxst | sometimes regressions might get through, but shouldnt be anything major | 13:01 |
| tommie-lie | thanks, good to know | 13:01 |
| tommie-lie | you seem to have changed the workflow over the last year ;-) | 13:01 |
| darkxst | tommie-lie, previously gnome3 had the bits that werent ready | 13:02 |
| darkxst | now we have a split in cycles, that bits not ready, are actually in staging | 13:02 |
| tommie-lie | yep, but it also had the pieces missing from ubuntu because they were deemed not ubuntu-ish enough (like gdm) | 13:03 |
| darkxst | tommie-lie, gdm is in the archives | 13:04 |
| darkxst | any version in ppa would have been deemed not ready for archives, that is all | 13:04 |
| bennypr0fane | darkxst, what's an sru? | 13:04 |
| darkxst | Stable Release Update | 13:05 |
| tommie-lie | darkxst: it is now, but when the transition from the old-style gdm to the new lockscreen occurred and Ubuntu already switched to lightdm, the main repo was one major version behind for half a year (or even a full year? can't remember) | 13:05 |
| darkxst | essentially all updates that happen after release have to go through that | 13:05 |
| darkxst | tommie-lie, yes behind, because it was horribly broken | 13:05 |
| bennypr0fane | darkxst, which one, the older one or the update? | 13:11 |
| tommie-lie | darkxst: well, the update from the gnome3-ppa worked and was not really broken, it just didn't make it in time for the feature freeze | 13:11 |
| tommie-lie | darkxst: out of curiosity, is there and other place where development coordination for ubuntu-gnome related stuff takes place except here and ubuntu-gnome on lists.ubuntu.com? | 13:15 |
| darkxst | bennypr0fane, like 3.6 before we landed it in 12.10 | 13:16 |
| darkxst | tommie-lie, mostly here | 13:16 |
| bennypr0fane | Is beta 2 the final beta? Or would you recommmend daily bulid over the betA? | 13:31 |
| darkxst | bennypr0fane, beta 2 is broken for some regions | 13:32 |
| darkxst | I would suggest daily | 13:32 |
| bennypr0fane | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/13.04/beta-2/ it doesn't say here that it's final | 13:32 |
| darkxst | its beta 2, how more final than that do you want? | 13:33 |
| darkxst | just grab the daily though | 13:33 |
| darkxst | beta-2 has some major locale issues for certain countries/regions | 13:33 |
| bennypr0fane | ah I see it does say it here http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/04/05/ubuntu-13-04-raring-ringtail-beta-2-released/ | 13:33 |
| bennypr0fane | Ok willd o, thanks! | 13:33 |
| atrus | is it bad that gnome-control-center/gnome-settings-daemon aren't up to 3.8.x in the gnome3 ppa? i see they're in staging... | 15:35 |
| === Jake is now known as Guest43498 | ||
| Guest43498 | Hello. I am just wondering if I should use Ubuntu-Gnome or use regular Ubuntu and install all of the Gnome things myself. | 22:33 |
| Guest43498 | Hello? | 22:35 |
| Guest43498 | join #ubuntu | 22:36 |
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