[02:15] Salutations! [02:16] i thought i was Idle in here ;( [02:17] http://snipt.org/ziGh4 [02:35] sary, they are harmless warnings [03:11] hi darkxst, thank you .. it's good to know! as I've have been having many crash reports lately! [03:11] sary that is mainly because apport is enabled while we are still in beta [03:12] Nm-applet,gnome-shell, mission-control. [03:13] darkxst: yeah . [03:14] but would be particularly interest in any gnome-shell crashes [03:15] well for 3.8, assuming you are using the ppa [03:18] here is one !bug #1163651 [03:18] bug 1163651 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Gnome shell crashed with "apport" complaining about lack of memory to automatically analyse the problem " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1163651 [03:18] hmm, wait .. [03:21] I don't quite remember if i was using 3.8 of the shell and ppa was enabled while the crash in the above bug occurred. [03:23] But, I don't see this crash anymore , or any other abnormal activities coming from the shell. [03:45] sary memory usage should be much better now we have the new spidermonkey ppa [03:46] in that bug though, it seems like something locked up your gpu [03:59] darkxst: yeah, difinitely was coming from nvidia closed source driver . [04:02] as i remembered now, i saw a driver-updates for the current driver, i had to give it a shoot and try it, so i hae acivated the driver-updates while i had gnome 3.8 installed . [04:04] the later nvidia drivers (313 series) have been pretty much perfect here with g-s [04:05] Quick question, if anyone knows the answer off hand. I run apt-cacher-ng on my server, so I usually install ubuntu via PXE netboot. I have the ISO for Ubuntu GNOME, but I was wondering if the linux, and initrd.gz files for it were around somewhere? [04:06] skinlayers, they are in the iso [04:06] just mount it and grab what you need [04:06] Thank you! I wasn't sure if I could use the ones straight off the iso or if the netboot ones were modified. [04:06] they are also going to be exactly the same (I believe) as the vanilla ubuntu ones [04:07] hmm... then how does it pick which packages to install? Is there a preseed option for ubuntu-gnome? [04:07] or actually maybe the casper stuff goess into initrd.gz [04:08] that is mostly done when building the iso, everything is installed to a squashfs filesystem [04:09] that gets copied to target machine, and then a few other bits and pieces will get installed by ubiquity [04:11] yes, you should be able to do a oem preseed with it [04:27] Ubuntu Gnome uses the exact same repos as regular Ubuntu right? Its just a difference of packages? [04:27] skinlayers, yes [04:27] does a netboot use the squashfs off the iso? [04:31] Nope... it boots pxelinux.0, which then, depending on your menu choice, boots "linux" with a "inird.gz". [04:31] initrd.gz* [04:31] I meant after that [04:31] And that boots a minimal debian installer that grabs all packages straight from the ubuntu repos [04:32] ah I see [04:32] And it gives you the option to use a proxy, so I point it at my local apt-cacher-ng server. [04:32] So that way I can install from my network, and build from the latest packages [04:33] and But it doesn't use teh squashfs at all from what I know [04:33] ok so you might need to track down the seed files that are used to build the iso [04:33] they are on launchpad somewhere [04:34] or just install ubuntu-gnome-desktop and ubuntu-gnome-default-settings [04:34] on top of debian mini [04:40] although I have no experience with netboot, its easy to unpack the ramdisk (initrd.gz) and have a look what is going on in there [05:25] @darkxst Thanks for the info! I've been digging around in the initrd for a while ;) === Dave is now known as Guest19149 [12:32] hey, I am thinking about replacing regular Ubuntu 12.04 on my laptop with 13.04 Gnome - or Gnome Remix 12.10, given that the latter oddly has a longer life cycle as of now. Which of the 2 would you say comes with the more advanced state of Gnome out of the box, as of now? I now they both come with 3.6, but how about integration of extensions, user themes and other customizability (if that is even a direction that Gnome development is going in)? [12:33] * I know they both.... [12:45] bennypr0fane, 13.04 will be better supported regardless of apparent life cycles [12:48] I have a gnome-shell update that has been stuck in the update queue for like 6+ weeks now.... (for 12.10) [12:49] not sure how we can really support updates in old releases when it takes that long [12:51] you mean you got that update pushed to 13.04 while it hasn't been in the repos for 12.10 at the same time? [12:51] bennypr0fane, its in 13.04 [12:51] waiting in queue for 12.10 [12:52] hope that will be better with the shorter release cycles [12:55] the packages in main seem to get priority for SRU's [12:55] that said we will mostly be running from ppa's if you want the latest and greatest, so atleast we can fix those instantly [12:56] but PPAs also have the problem of problems spreading quickly to everyone, just as quick as fixes [12:56] any of you guys help developing 13.04 Gnome? [12:57] tommie-lie isn't that more an asseT? [12:57] gnome3 ppa is as official as you will get from a ppa [12:58] bennypr0fane: hum... for my everyday working machine I'd like software that has been around for a month or so (if the userbase is large enough) [12:58] I don't get why theyx not taking in the shell extensions ppa from the webupd8 team [12:58] tommie-lie, most things in gnome3 have been tested in staging before landing [12:58] unless they are just minor updates [12:58] tommie-lie in that case, you might check the dates of packages you update... [12:59] darkxst: you mean ppa:gnome3-staging? [12:59] tommie-lie, yes [13:00] darkxst: how well tested can I expect packages from gnome3? is every single update to one of them proposed to be an SRU (even if not accepted)? [13:00] no SRU's [13:00] big updates are tested in staging [13:01] minor updates we test locally then update [13:01] sometimes regressions might get through, but shouldnt be anything major [13:01] thanks, good to know [13:01] you seem to have changed the workflow over the last year ;-) [13:02] tommie-lie, previously gnome3 had the bits that werent ready [13:02] now we have a split in cycles, that bits not ready, are actually in staging [13:03] yep, but it also had the pieces missing from ubuntu because they were deemed not ubuntu-ish enough (like gdm) [13:04] tommie-lie, gdm is in the archives [13:04] any version in ppa would have been deemed not ready for archives, that is all [13:04] darkxst, what's an sru? [13:05] Stable Release Update [13:05] darkxst: it is now, but when the transition from the old-style gdm to the new lockscreen occurred and Ubuntu already switched to lightdm, the main repo was one major version behind for half a year (or even a full year? can't remember) [13:05] essentially all updates that happen after release have to go through that [13:05] tommie-lie, yes behind, because it was horribly broken [13:11] darkxst, which one, the older one or the update? [13:11] darkxst: well, the update from the gnome3-ppa worked and was not really broken, it just didn't make it in time for the feature freeze [13:15] darkxst: out of curiosity, is there and other place where development coordination for ubuntu-gnome related stuff takes place except here and ubuntu-gnome on lists.ubuntu.com? [13:16] bennypr0fane, like 3.6 before we landed it in 12.10 [13:16] tommie-lie, mostly here [13:31] Is beta 2 the final beta? Or would you recommmend daily bulid over the betA? [13:32] bennypr0fane, beta 2 is broken for some regions [13:32] I would suggest daily [13:32] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/13.04/beta-2/ it doesn't say here that it's final [13:33] its beta 2, how more final than that do you want? [13:33] just grab the daily though [13:33] beta-2 has some major locale issues for certain countries/regions [13:33] ah I see it does say it here http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/04/05/ubuntu-13-04-raring-ringtail-beta-2-released/ [13:33] Ok willd o, thanks! [15:35] is it bad that gnome-control-center/gnome-settings-daemon aren't up to 3.8.x in the gnome3 ppa? i see they're in staging... === Jake is now known as Guest43498 [22:33] Hello. I am just wondering if I should use Ubuntu-Gnome or use regular Ubuntu and install all of the Gnome things myself. [22:35] Hello? [22:36] join #ubuntu