[02:15] <sary> Salutations!
[02:16] <sary> i thought i was Idle in here ;(
[02:17] <sary> http://snipt.org/ziGh4
[02:35] <darkxst> sary, they are harmless warnings
[03:11] <sary> hi darkxst, thank you .. it's good to know! as I've have been having many crash reports lately!
[03:11] <darkxst> sary that is mainly because apport is enabled while we are still in beta
[03:12] <sary> Nm-applet,gnome-shell, mission-control.
[03:13] <sary> darkxst: yeah .
[03:14] <darkxst> but would be particularly interest in any gnome-shell crashes
[03:15] <darkxst> well for 3.8, assuming you are using the ppa
[03:18] <sary> here is one !bug #1163651
[03:18] <sary> hmm, wait ..
[03:21] <sary> I don't quite remember if i was using 3.8 of the shell and ppa was enabled while the crash in the above bug occurred.
[03:23] <sary> But, I don't see this crash anymore , or any other abnormal activities coming from the shell.
[03:45] <darkxst> sary memory usage should be much better now we have the new spidermonkey ppa
[03:46] <darkxst> in that bug though, it seems like something locked up your gpu
[03:59] <sary> darkxst: yeah, difinitely was coming from nvidia closed source driver .
[04:02] <sary> as i remembered now, i saw a driver-updates for the current driver, i had to give it a shoot and try it, so i hae acivated the driver-updates while i had gnome 3.8 installed .
[04:04] <darkxst> the later nvidia drivers (313 series) have been pretty much perfect here with g-s
[04:05] <skinlayers> Quick question, if anyone knows the answer off hand. I run apt-cacher-ng on my server, so I usually install ubuntu via PXE netboot. I have the ISO for Ubuntu GNOME, but I was wondering if the linux, and initrd.gz files for it were around somewhere?
[04:06] <darkxst> skinlayers, they are in the iso
[04:06] <darkxst> just mount it and grab what you need
[04:06] <skinlayers> Thank you! I wasn't sure if I could use the ones straight off the iso or if the netboot ones were modified.
[04:06] <darkxst> they are also going to be exactly the same (I believe) as the vanilla ubuntu ones
[04:07] <skinlayers> hmm... then how does it pick which packages to install? Is there a preseed option for ubuntu-gnome?
[04:07] <darkxst> or actually maybe the casper stuff goess into initrd.gz
[04:08] <darkxst> that is mostly done when building the iso, everything is installed to a squashfs filesystem
[04:09] <darkxst> that gets copied to target machine, and then a few other bits and pieces will get installed by ubiquity
[04:11] <darkxst> yes, you should be able to do a oem preseed with it
[04:27] <skinlayers> Ubuntu Gnome uses the exact same repos as regular Ubuntu right? Its just a difference of packages?
[04:27] <darkxst> skinlayers, yes
[04:27] <darkxst> does a netboot use the squashfs off the iso?
[04:31] <skinlayers> Nope... it boots pxelinux.0, which then, depending on your menu choice, boots "linux" with a "inird.gz".
[04:31] <skinlayers> initrd.gz*
[04:31] <darkxst> I meant after that
[04:31] <skinlayers> And that boots a minimal debian installer that grabs all packages straight from the ubuntu repos
[04:32] <darkxst> ah I see
[04:32] <skinlayers> And it gives you the option to use a proxy, so I point it at my local apt-cacher-ng server.
[04:32] <skinlayers> So that way I can install from my network, and build from the latest packages
[04:33] <skinlayers> and But it doesn't use teh squashfs at all from what I know
[04:33] <darkxst> ok so you might need to track down the seed files that are used to build the iso
[04:33] <darkxst> they are on launchpad somewhere
[04:34] <darkxst> or just install ubuntu-gnome-desktop and ubuntu-gnome-default-settings
[04:34] <darkxst> on top of debian mini
[04:40] <darkxst> although I have no experience with netboot, its easy to unpack the ramdisk (initrd.gz) and have a look what is going on in there
[05:25] <skinlayers> @darkxst Thanks for the info! I've been digging around in the initrd for a while ;)
[12:32] <bennypr0fane>  hey, I am thinking about replacing regular Ubuntu 12.04 on my laptop with 13.04 Gnome - or Gnome Remix 12.10, given that the latter oddly has a longer life cycle as of now. Which of the 2 would you say comes with the more advanced state of Gnome out of the box, as of now? I now they both come with 3.6, but how about integration of extensions, user themes and other customizability (if that is even a direction that Gnome development is going in)?
[12:33] <bennypr0fane> * I know they both....
[12:45] <darkxst> bennypr0fane, 13.04 will be better supported regardless of apparent life cycles
[12:48] <darkxst> I have a gnome-shell update that has been stuck in the update queue for like 6+ weeks now.... (for 12.10)
[12:49] <darkxst> not sure how we can really support updates in old releases when it takes that long
[12:51] <bennypr0fane> you mean you got that update pushed to 13.04 while it hasn't been in the repos for 12.10 at the same time?
[12:51] <darkxst> bennypr0fane, its in 13.04
[12:51] <darkxst> waiting in queue for 12.10
[12:52] <tommie-lie> hope that will be better with the shorter release cycles
[12:55] <darkxst> the packages in main seem to get priority for SRU's
[12:55] <darkxst> that said we will mostly be running from ppa's if you want the latest and greatest, so atleast we can fix those instantly
[12:56] <tommie-lie> but PPAs also have the problem of problems spreading quickly to everyone, just as quick as fixes
[12:56] <bennypr0fane> any of you guys help developing 13.04 Gnome?
[12:57] <bennypr0fane> tommie-lie isn't that more an asseT?
[12:57] <darkxst> gnome3 ppa is as official as you will get from a ppa
[12:58] <tommie-lie> bennypr0fane: hum... for my everyday working machine I'd like software that has been around for a month or so (if the userbase is large enough)
[12:58] <bennypr0fane> I don't get why theyx not taking in the shell extensions ppa from the webupd8 team
[12:58] <darkxst> tommie-lie, most things in gnome3 have been tested in staging before landing
[12:58] <darkxst> unless they are just minor updates
[12:58] <bennypr0fane> tommie-lie in that case, you might check the dates of packages you update...
[12:59] <tommie-lie> darkxst: you mean ppa:gnome3-staging?
[12:59] <darkxst> tommie-lie, yes
[13:00] <tommie-lie> darkxst: how well tested can I expect packages from gnome3? is every single update to one of them proposed to be an SRU (even if not accepted)?
[13:00] <darkxst> no SRU's
[13:00] <darkxst> big updates are tested in staging
[13:01] <darkxst> minor updates we test locally then update
[13:01] <darkxst> sometimes regressions might get through, but shouldnt be anything major
[13:01] <tommie-lie> thanks, good to know
[13:01] <tommie-lie> you seem to have changed the workflow over the last year ;-)
[13:02] <darkxst> tommie-lie, previously gnome3 had the bits that werent ready
[13:02] <darkxst> now we have a split in cycles, that bits not ready, are actually in staging
[13:03] <tommie-lie> yep, but it also had the pieces missing from ubuntu because they were deemed not ubuntu-ish enough (like gdm)
[13:04] <darkxst> tommie-lie, gdm is in the archives
[13:04] <darkxst> any version in ppa would have been deemed not ready for archives, that is all
[13:04] <bennypr0fane> darkxst, what's an sru?
[13:05] <darkxst> Stable Release Update
[13:05] <tommie-lie> darkxst: it is now, but when the transition from the old-style gdm to the new lockscreen occurred and Ubuntu already switched to lightdm, the main repo was one major version behind for half a year (or even a full year? can't remember)
[13:05] <darkxst> essentially all updates that happen after release have to go through that
[13:05] <darkxst> tommie-lie, yes behind, because it was horribly broken
[13:11] <bennypr0fane> darkxst, which one, the older one or the update?
[13:11] <tommie-lie> darkxst: well, the update from the gnome3-ppa worked and was not really broken, it just didn't make it in time for the feature freeze
[13:15] <tommie-lie> darkxst: out of curiosity, is there and other place where development coordination for ubuntu-gnome related stuff takes place except here and ubuntu-gnome on lists.ubuntu.com?
[13:16] <darkxst> bennypr0fane, like 3.6 before we landed it in 12.10
[13:16] <darkxst> tommie-lie, mostly here
[13:31] <bennypr0fane> Is beta 2 the final beta? Or would you recommmend daily bulid over the betA?
[13:32] <darkxst> bennypr0fane, beta 2 is broken for some regions
[13:32] <darkxst> I would suggest daily
[13:32] <bennypr0fane> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/13.04/beta-2/ it doesn't say here that it's final
[13:33] <darkxst> its beta 2, how more final than that do you want?
[13:33] <darkxst> just grab the daily though
[13:33] <darkxst> beta-2 has some major locale issues for certain countries/regions
[13:33] <bennypr0fane> ah I see it does say it here http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/04/05/ubuntu-13-04-raring-ringtail-beta-2-released/
[13:33] <bennypr0fane> Ok willd o, thanks!
[15:35] <atrus> is it bad that gnome-control-center/gnome-settings-daemon aren't up to 3.8.x in the gnome3 ppa? i see they're in staging...
[22:33] <Guest43498> Hello.  I am just wondering if I should use Ubuntu-Gnome or use regular Ubuntu and install all of the Gnome things myself.
[22:35] <Guest43498> Hello?
[22:36] <Guest43498> join #ubuntu