| === Hornet- is now known as Hornet | ||
| MartijnVdS | good morning everyone! | 07:32 |
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| dwatkins | hiya MartijnVdS | 07:47 |
| === GentileBen is now known as RaycisCharles | ||
| brobostigon | good morning everyone, | 09:31 |
| Lil-|^Red | Meanwhile in South Korea http://www.youtube.com/user/officialpsy?feature=inp-lt-psy-us | 09:47 |
| brobostigon | wow, on my eeepc, while doing apt-get update, the load have gone over 105. | 09:58 |
| brobostigon | just went down to under 20, very weird behaviour. | 10:07 |
| NET||abuse | hi folks, i have a really irritating with my ethernet connection | 10:56 |
| * dwatkins assumes NET||abuse accidentally a word | 10:57 | |
| jacobw | :) | 10:57 |
| NET||abuse | huh? | 10:57 |
| NET||abuse | :P my nick is an old joke from #perl that stuck | 10:58 |
| NET||abuse | anyway, | 10:58 |
| NET||abuse | or do you mean i forgot a word in my question? | 10:58 |
| dwatkins | Yes, NET||abuse. | 10:58 |
| NET||abuse | well, doesn't matter, my connection detects that i plug in the wire. | 10:58 |
| NET||abuse | but on any given boot up, the dhcp never succeeds. | 10:59 |
| NET||abuse | i reboot andd it can work every second or third bootup | 10:59 |
| dwatkins | Does the card show up in lspci and is the module loaded for the card as shown in lsmod? | 10:59 |
| NET||abuse | ok, one sec | 11:00 |
| NET||abuse | lspci output is 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 04) | 11:00 |
| NET||abuse | trying to find it in lsmod | 11:01 |
| dwatkins | also, does the card show up in ifconfig? | 11:01 |
| NET||abuse | yeh, it shows up in ifconfig | 11:01 |
| NET||abuse | eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr d4:be:d9:10:84:a1 ... etc. | 11:02 |
| dwatkins | and if you disable and re-enable networking from the icon near the clock, does it work? | 11:02 |
| NET||abuse | anyway, on the gui side, the cable goes in. it starts dhcp searching. | 11:02 |
| NET||abuse | yeh, i've tried that. | 11:02 |
| NET||abuse | i disconnect the cable and the icon on the top bar notices | 11:02 |
| NET||abuse | i reconnect then it shows upthere too, and setarts to search but doesn't find it. | 11:03 |
| NET||abuse | i've tried the disconnect menu option before, i'll try it now again. | 11:03 |
| jacobw | What happens if you try to connect and disconnect to the wired network a few times? | 11:05 |
| popey | brobostigon: not weird, just io intensive on a machine with a slow storage device | 11:05 |
| NET||abuse | jacobw: tried it about 3 times already this boot. | 11:05 |
| brobostigon | popey: good point, yes. very true. | 11:06 |
| NET||abuse | the disconnect menu option and the reconnection eht0_auto option isn't working also | 11:06 |
| NET||abuse | diconnecting over and over, nothing | 11:10 |
| NET||abuse | damn, 6 times a charm | 11:11 |
| NET||abuse | i'm back without rebooting. hah,, what a pain in the ass | 11:11 |
| NET||abuse | thanks for the input.. wonder why it's so unreliable. | 11:13 |
| jacobw | It sounds like a network-manager problem | 11:17 |
| Myrtti | I swear to Gaia I'll buy that password notebook | 11:21 |
| * Myrtti stabs Keepass2 a little bit | 11:22 | |
| ThomasM_ | Hello everybody, i have strange problem by creating symlinks via udev rules on Ubuntu 12.10. | 11:59 |
| ThomasM_ | This rules is working fine to create a symlink from a ttyACM device | 12:00 |
| ThomasM_ | KERNEL=="ttyACM[0-9]*", SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="1ffb", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0089", MODE="0666", OWNER="thomas", SYMLINK+="ttyServo" | 12:00 |
| ThomasM_ | Now iw want to do the same for a ttyUSB device like an FTDI USB to TTL Converter | 12:00 |
| ThomasM_ | KERNEL=="ttyUSB[0-9]*", SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="0403", ATTRS{idProduct}=="6001", MODE="0666", OWNER="thomas", SYMLINK+="ttyRoboClaw" | 12:01 |
| ThomasM_ | but this rule doesn't work | 12:01 |
| ThomasM_ | Then I tried a simpler rule like this: | 12:02 |
| ThomasM_ | ATTRS{idVendor}=="0403", ATTRS{idProduct}=="6001", MODE="0666", OWNER="thomas", SYMLINK+="ttyRoboClaw" | 12:02 |
| ThomasM_ | but the created symlink links to "ttyRoboClaw -> bus/usb/001/012" the bus instead of the original device path "ttyUSB0" | 12:04 |
| ThomasM_ | I tried several rules but sometimes the rule isn't created and sometimes it i created but points to the bus | 12:05 |
| ThomasM_ | for the ttyACM devices everyting works fine | 12:05 |
| ThomasM_ | also rules work for video devices linke this: | 12:06 |
| ThomasM_ | KERNEL=="video[0-9]*", SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux", ATTRS{idVendor}=="5986", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0361", SYMLINK+="video-cam0" | 12:06 |
| ThomasM_ | but like i told you not for the ttyUSB device, its very stange for me at this point...# | 12:06 |
| ThomasM_ | maybe someone of you have a solution for me | 12:07 |
| ThomasM_ | Thank you | 12:07 |
| ThomasM_ | second client I am still here :) | 12:19 |
| ali1234 | how do i display the build dependencies of a package if they are already installed? | 13:36 |
| directhex | ali1234, apt-cache build-dep packagename? | 14:04 |
| ali1234 | E: Invalid operation build-dep | 14:09 |
| directhex | apt-cache not apt-get | 14:17 |
| AlanBell | that isn't an apt-cache command | 14:18 |
| ali1234 | yes, that is what i typed. it does not work | 14:18 |
| AlanBell | apt-get -s build-dep gedit | 14:18 |
| AlanBell | perhaps | 14:19 |
| AlanBell | but that probably doesn't help if you have them installed | 14:19 |
| ali1234 | yeah that only shows the ones that are not currently installed | 14:19 |
| ali1234 | what i did was apt-get source and then look at debian/control | 14:19 |
| directhex | oh, hang on | 14:21 |
| directhex | it's showsrc | 14:21 |
| directhex | doesn't list version requirements though | 14:22 |
| directhex | and the formatting is generally hard to machine-parse | 14:22 |
| ali1234 | that's ok, i don't want to parse it and i don't want really care about ersions as i know the ones in the repos work | 14:22 |
| ali1234 | i'm on a system with no -src repos configured and i want to build a package. so i can't apt-get build-dep... so i need to install dependencies manually | 14:23 |
| dwatkins | hey peeps, has anyone installed 12.10 on a uefi motherboard recently? We're getting a grub prompt, so I assume we need to follow this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1599293 | 15:05 |
| dwatkins | any suggestions welcome, though | 15:05 |
| dwatkins | !uefi | 15:09 |
| jacobw | I have installed on UEFI motherboard, and there no difference to an non UEFI motherboard | 15:09 |
| lubotu3 | UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware, it is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI | 15:09 |
| dwatkins | hmm, i wonder why we're getting the grub prompt, then | 15:10 |
| magpie | what's the problem dwatkins? | 15:10 |
| dwatkins | we get a grub prompt booting from usb to install 12.10 amd64 | 15:11 |
| jpds | dwatkins: Hit tab. | 15:13 |
| dwatkins | we get a list of commands, jpds | 15:13 |
| dwatkins | 'boot' fails | 15:13 |
| jpds | dwatkins: live? | 15:13 |
| dwatkins | trying the procedure in my link above fails at the point of loading the loopback module, saying we should disable secure boot | 15:14 |
| dwatkins | so i guess we should do that ;) | 15:14 |
| magpie | when did it start happening? | 15:14 |
| dwatkins | yes, trying to install from unetbootin-created usb device from the 12.10 64-bit iso | 15:15 |
| dwatkins | just trying to find the secure boot settings | 15:15 |
| magpie | did you format it to fat32 and set bios to boot from usb yeah? | 15:19 |
| magpie | @ dwatkins | 15:20 |
| directhex | unetbootin doesn't support uefi | 15:22 |
| dwatkins | yay we have a kernel :D | 15:22 |
| directhex | it has not created a uefi-capable install medium | 15:22 |
| dwatkins | followed the instructions in my link, we now have a gui | 15:22 |
| magpie | dwatkins did your format to fat32? | 15:28 |
| magpie | you | 15:28 |
| dwatkins | magpie: yes, the usb is vfat | 15:45 |
| dwatkins | only problem now is that grub hasn't recognised that windows 7 is on the first hard disk, so we can boot windows 7 manually from the uefi, but when powering the machine on it goes straight into Ubuntu with no grub menu | 15:45 |
| dwatkins | I suspect this may be because we didn't select the option to mount the partition on which windows 7 is installed during partitioning, not sure though. | 15:46 |
| magpie | oh | 15:46 |
| dwatkins | i.e. ubuntu installed ok, windows 7 still boots manually, but grub never shows the menu | 15:47 |
| magpie | dwatkins i think you may have forgot to change ur bios setting back? | 15:47 |
| dwatkins | aha which setting do we need to change back, magpie? the secure boot one? | 15:49 |
| dwatkins | looks like there are three boot records to choose from, two of which identify themselves as 'ubuntu', so presumably one is grub, the other is the newly installed OS | 15:51 |
| magpie | ii'm not 100% certain because I haven;t had dual boot for a long time but I believe you would need to change it from the usb back to your hard disk | 15:51 |
| kvarley | Is there an editor that will let me print my code with syntax highlighting and indentation? | 15:51 |
| magpie | then after that it should come up with the promt you need | 15:51 |
| dwatkins | we removed the usb stick to avoid possible confusion | 15:51 |
| dwatkins | kvarley: vi with syntax on? | 15:51 |
| magpie | grub is the ubuntu boot | 15:52 |
| * kvarley hates vi | 15:52 | |
| magpie | loadeer | 15:52 |
| magpie | yeah remove the usb | 15:52 |
| kvarley | dwatkins: Any GUI apps? | 15:52 |
| magpie | reboot and press f12 (usually) | 15:52 |
| dwatkins | magpie: aha, it's now showing grub's menu, although it didn't detect windows 7 | 15:52 |
| magpie | then it will have a list of drives u can boot from as your primary boot | 15:52 |
| magpie | grub won't detect it | 15:53 |
| magpie | grub is the ubuntu bootloader | 15:53 |
| dwatkins | I mean when the menu.lst was created during install | 15:53 |
| magpie | iit should be asking u whether u want to boot into grub or whatever windows bootloader is | 15:53 |
| magpie | have u booted into the bios yet? | 15:54 |
| magpie | u need to go to the bios to check ur primary boot disk | 15:54 |
| magpie | there is a much easier way to do this though with this http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/windows-installer | 15:56 |
| dwatkins | no, grub doesn't have windows in the boot manu | 15:56 |
| dwatkins | *menu | 15:56 |
| magpie | grub is not the same thing as the bios | 15:56 |
| dwatkins | indeed | 15:57 |
| magpie | assuming u partitioned ur hard drive and grub is on one partition with windows on the other yes? | 15:58 |
| dwatkins | pretty much - two physical disks, windows 7 on the first | 15:58 |
| magpie | oh | 15:59 |
| magpie | well i think the problem is simpler then | 15:59 |
| magpie | you have two seperate hard drives each with an install on them? | 15:59 |
| dwatkins | yeah | 15:59 |
| magpie | ur bios is booting into one because you have set it to primary (or that is the default) | 16:00 |
| magpie | I am not sure how you can set neither as default but I imagine there is a way. What make is ur motherboard, do you know? | 16:01 |
| dwatkins | I imagine we probably need to re-run grub-update and get it to detect Windows 7 so it can add it to the menu.lst | 16:02 |
| dwatkins | or update-grub | 16:03 |
| magpie | i would check the bios settings first | 16:03 |
| magpie | it's probably ur primary hard disk set to the hard disk with the ubuntu install on it | 16:04 |
| dwatkins | yeah, we had to change the order to get the grub menu | 16:06 |
| dwatkins | I'm guessing we need to install grub to /dev/sda and hope it automatically detects Windows 7 | 16:11 |
| * directhex waits for melted computer | 16:12 | |
| magpie | was it not detecting windows when the windows bootloader was default you mean dwatkins? | 16:12 |
| directhex | installing grub to a partition header is a BIOS/MBR thing. | 16:13 |
| directhex | it explicitly does not do anyting, and may make your system unbootable, if you're on UEFI-only boot. | 16:13 |
| directhex | and the model with UEFI is *not* to boot windows from grub. that's not how it works | 16:13 |
| directhex | the model is to hit the "select boot device" button, typically F12, and pick "Windows Boot Manager" rather than "ubuntu" from the list | 16:14 |
| magpie | echo directhex | 16:14 |
| directhex | you can change which EFI application is the default with efibootmgr | 16:16 |
| directhex | if the system is booting grub before giving you the chance to hit the "select boot device" menu, then you have UEFI Fast Boot enabled (which skips a lot of initialization and jumps straight to the default application) | 16:19 |
| * directhex wonders if dwatkins has read any of the above, or if he's facing the charred remains of his computer | 16:24 | |
| dwatkins | directhex: heh, just been looking in to what's in /boot/efi/efi | 16:27 |
| directhex | presumably a bootx64.efi (windows boot manager) | 16:28 |
| debasheez | hello | 16:28 |
| dwatkins | thanks directhex, this starts to make sense now | 16:29 |
| dwatkins | there's no 'press F12' option that I'm aware of on this motherboard, but perhaps it's obfuscated | 16:29 |
| debasheez | how can i make a usb bootable windows xp in ubuntu? | 16:29 |
| debasheez | will unet botin do? | 16:30 |
| directhex | dwatkins, maybe f2. there's definitely a key. | 16:30 |
| jacobw | debasheez: I don't think so | 16:30 |
| directhex | debasheez, i don't think so. i'm sure i've done it somehow, but it might have been with the MS utility in wine | 16:30 |
| debasheez | so how do i do that | 16:31 |
| directhex | but xp is, like, 12 years old. it's not designed for fancy things | 16:31 |
| dwatkins | debasheez: no, unetbootin doesn't support XP, there are tools from Microsoft which will allow you to create a bootable USB device with XP, if I remember correctly. | 16:31 |
| dwatkins | maybe just Windows 7/Vista, I've not used it | 16:31 |
| debasheez | how can i create it then/ | 16:31 |
| debasheez | my xp is too banged yp | 16:32 |
| debasheez | it does not even connect to internet....half the things dont work | 16:32 |
| dwatkins | debasheez: google ' usb boot boot windows '? | 16:32 |
| dwatkins | oops, two 'boot' but you get the idea | 16:32 |
| debasheez | yeah i got it | 16:33 |
| dwatkins | ah ok, no idea how you'd do this without internet access, I don't think it can be done from within Ubuntu. | 16:33 |
| dwatkins | you could just use Ubuntu... | 16:33 |
| jacobw | You can do it from Powershell or cmd.exe, and there's Windows applications that can automate the process. | 16:33 |
| debasheez | which one | 16:34 |
| jacobw | I don't think you can do it without Windows utilities/helpers. | 16:34 |
| debasheez | yeah | 16:34 |
| jacobw | WinToFlash | 16:34 |
| debasheez | will wine do the trick? | 16:34 |
| jacobw | I don't know | 16:36 |
| debasheez | hmm lemme try | 16:36 |
| debasheez | the primary bootloader is grub | 16:36 |
| debasheez | then i get an option to choose windows or ubuntu | 16:37 |
| dwatkins | What's actually the problem with XP, debasheez? Virus? Malware? BSOD? | 16:37 |
| debasheez | i guess its either a virus or a malware | 16:38 |
| dwatkins | there are antivirus bootable images from the likes of AVG, I believe, possibly Symantex too | 16:38 |
| dwatkins | Symantec, even. | 16:39 |
| debasheez | i dont think the anti virus will help much | 16:39 |
| debasheez | the right click does not work even | 16:39 |
| dwatkins | What are they symptoms, debasheez? | 16:39 |
| dwatkins | *the | 16:39 |
| debasheez | well right click does not work | 16:40 |
| debasheez | network properties does not open | 16:40 |
| dwatkins | that could just be a hardware problem | 16:40 |
| directhex | sounds like the install is just bonged | 16:41 |
| directhex | it happens | 16:41 |
| directhex | windows degrades | 16:41 |
| debasheez | and i let my pc be used my noobs | 16:41 |
| debasheez | plugged in their infected usb | 16:41 |
| debasheez | and slowly the windows is unusable | 16:42 |
| debasheez | let me reboot and try installing it via win 2 flash | 16:43 |
| debasheez | wine does not seem to work here | 16:43 |
| jacobw | n00bs, indeed. | 16:45 |
| brobostigon | new Dr Who bbc1 6pm, | 16:45 |
| Myrtti | sounds like a good time to go grocery shopping then | 16:46 |
| brobostigon | ah. | 16:47 |
| Myrtti | iPlayer ftw! | 16:47 |
| brobostigon | :) | 16:47 |
| jacobw | Whoop whoop | 16:48 |
| magpie | can I make a suggestion? | 16:49 |
| brobostigon | no spoilers? | 16:49 |
| magpie | don't worry about windows you don't really need it :) | 16:49 |
| dwatkins | looks like my friend is happy to just manually select the disk from the bios/efi | 16:57 |
| directhex | the application, not the disk :D | 16:58 |
| directhex | booting "a disk" or "a partition" is a MBR thing | 16:59 |
| dwatkins | ah i see, thanks - i have a lot to learn/update | 17:01 |
| dwatkins | bbl, catching the bus | 17:01 |
| * popey fixes bug 1168160 | 17:06 | |
| lubotu3 | bug 1168160 in popey "Hair cut required" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1168160 | 17:06 |
| brobostigon | lol | 17:07 |
| directhex | dwatkins, basically, with BIOS, when booting the computer, there's 448 bytes (iirc) of 16-bit 8086 code near the start of the disk drive, which is executed on your 16-bit 8086. this code may contain just enough code to load more code from somewhere else on disk, or a redirect to another 448 bytes of 16 bit 8086 machine code on the header of a partition (rather than the header of an entire drive) | 17:14 |
| AlanBell | W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring-security/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages Cannot initiate the connection to fe80::211:3bff:fe17:c2d5:8000 (fe80::211:3bff:fe17:c2d5). - connect (22: Invalid argument) | 17:21 |
| AlanBell | why is it doing ipv6? | 17:22 |
| AlanBell | apt-get update isn't working because it wants to do v6 connections it seems, I can ping stuff and it pings the normal IP address just fine | 17:23 |
| shauno | I don't believe security.ubuntu.com has an ipv6 address. and it's certainly not fe80::, that's link local (eg, it's you, or the other end of the wire, and nothing else) | 17:24 |
| AlanBell | oh | 17:24 |
| shauno | oh, they do hvae ipv6 now .. that's news to me. but the link-local bit stands | 17:25 |
| AlanBell | ah, might be squid-deb-proxy getting upset about something | 17:26 |
| AlanBell | yup, it was | 17:27 |
| AlanBell | how do I tell apport to just let things crash and not be annoying? | 17:29 |
| AlanBell | ah, /etc/default/apport | 17:30 |
| * dwatkins clicks 'restart current programme' on iplayer | 17:31 | |
| dwatkins | directhex: ah yes, the two stages of grub, I assume | 17:32 |
| jacobw | AlanBell: Yep | 17:33 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Good evening peeps | 19:06 |
| bigcalm_laptop | popey: mcping | 19:06 |
| mungbean | evening | 19:12 |
| mungbean | how was doctor whop compared to last week? | 19:13 |
| brobostigon | mungbean: miles better. | 19:13 |
| mungbean | last week getting 2/10 | 19:13 |
| AlanBell | the singing one was dreadful | 19:14 |
| mungbean | yeah shockingly bad | 19:14 |
| mungbean | i didnt watch a whole series once when that tate cvame along | 19:15 |
| AlanBell | I like Clara | 19:16 |
| brobostigon | billie piper has my preference. | 19:16 |
| mungbean | really? | 19:17 |
| brobostigon | yes. | 19:17 |
| mungbean | that was when the writing got stupid | 19:17 |
| mJayk | Afternoon all | 19:17 |
| mungbean | love/messiah/cap jack | 19:17 |
| directhex | pfft | 19:17 |
| directhex | the best companion was Jamie McCrimmon. | 19:17 |
| mungbean | the bimbo boy | 19:17 |
| AlanBell | River Song was also very good, much better than Amy | 19:18 |
| mungbean | i just tried to open an easter egg and failed | 19:18 |
| directhex | Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart? | 19:18 |
| AlanBell | I remember him from the books, never watched those ones | 19:19 |
| AlanBell | that was the doctor that had the intertial damping car | 19:19 |
| AlanBell | bessie I think | 19:19 |
| mungbean | i joined love film purely for dr who reasons | 19:19 |
| mungbean | theres a cool cybermen one wher they lost 2 episodes and animated them | 19:20 |
| mungbean | but really well | 19:20 |
| directhex | they basically burned most of the second doctor | 19:20 |
| directhex | to save storage space | 19:20 |
| mungbean | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invasion_(Doctor_Who) | 19:22 |
| mJayk | mungbean: Can you get love film on Android ? | 19:23 |
| mungbean | this was 7 yrs ago and exhausted their suiuply of dr who dvd in the post | 19:24 |
| mungbean | then i cancelled after no more left to watch that i hadnt seen | 19:24 |
| mJayk | ah okdokay | 19:24 |
| lorna | Anyone around tonight? | 19:53 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Not really | 19:53 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Evening anyway :) | 19:54 |
| lorna | Evening. How are you? | 19:54 |
| bigcalm_laptop | Wishing for longer weekends. You? | 19:54 |
| lorna | Looking forward to a fairly settled Sunday. | 19:55 |
| lorna | Have you any plans for the rest of the weekend? | 19:55 |
| lorna | Evening | 19:58 |
| Lil-|^Red | OT | FYI Linode admin P/words need updating BTW. :::: || http://blog.linode.com/2013/04/12/security-notice-linode-manager-password-reset/ || | 19:58 |
| Lil-|^Red | leaves. | 19:58 |
| === GentileBen is now known as GentilePotato | ||
| mungbean | yes, this dr who is an improvement on last week | 20:30 |
| mungbean | how was the lanuage transation working, tardis was not in vicinity? | 20:31 |
| ali1234 | same way it works on star trek even when they are not on the ship | 20:33 |
| mungbean | usually they say, ooh tardis is nearby, the language matrix works | 20:33 |
| brobostigon | ali1234: those are built after TOS into the communicators. in TOS they used to be seperate devices. | 20:34 |
| * AlanBell thought it was the bable fish | 20:35 | |
| * brobostigon walks around moping like marvin. | 20:36 | |
| brobostigon | ali1234: i do believe it is babel fish. | 20:37 |
| brobostigon | AlanBell: i do believe it is babel fish. | 20:37 |
| brobostigon | sorry ali1234 | 20:37 |
| mungbean | also why do daleks have a strong accent but the russians have english accent | 20:39 |
| brobostigon | lol, same problem, why dont the daleks speal | 20:39 |
| brobostigon | lol, same problem, why dont the daleks speak dals spoke? | 20:40 |
| brobostigon | the same language, | 20:40 |
| brobostigon | same reasoning, why doesnt davros neither.? | 20:41 |
| brobostigon | although i think davros was a kaled. | 20:42 |
| dwatkins | things weren't being translated last week | 20:49 |
| dwatkins | well, some things - the barking | 20:49 |
| mungbean | and allons-y | 20:57 |
| mungbean | maybee dr whitelists some words | 20:58 |
| mungbean | or maybe theres millions of holes in the plot every week | 20:59 |
| mungbean | but they get cute assistants to dazzle the people who might notice | 21:00 |
| dwatkins | I don't mind little translation issues, perhaps the barking was an exception somehow, or the Tardis had never encountered it before. Plot holes are annoying, though. | 21:00 |
| mungbean | i cant help thinking that the best way to get measles is to stand in a queue with other unvaccinated kids | 21:01 |
| dwatkins | Hence chicken pox parties. | 21:01 |
| mungbean | needed a wee since 8pm, but sleeping baby might wake as shes on my lap..#dadproblems | 21:02 |
| dwatkins | aww | 21:02 |
| mungbean | all i can do is surf and watch tv | 21:03 |
| dwatkins | I thought kids slept through anything. | 21:03 |
| dwatkins | There's a massive continuity failure in the film The Punisher - he gets shot, but then later on his t-shirt is fine. | 21:03 |
| mungbean | only when the bottle aint finished | 21:03 |
| dwatkins | Perhaps he has a wardrobe full of them. | 21:03 |
| mungbean | in a recent dr who episode, they drove out of the tardis on a motorbike/harley | 21:04 |
| dwatkins | yeah, that was cool | 21:04 |
| mungbean | then as they drove away the door was shut | 21:04 |
| mungbean | but noboydy closed it | 21:04 |
| dwatkins | I noticed that, he's closed the door by clicking his fingers in the past, though. | 21:04 |
| dwatkins | He should have done that then. | 21:04 |
| mungbean | they stayed on the doc the whole time | 21:04 |
| dwatkins | indeed | 21:04 |
| mungbean | yeah | 21:04 |
| dwatkins | Just a bit of a continuity failure. | 21:05 |
| mungbean | yeah spoils it for me | 21:05 |
| mungbean | and for the missis cos then i;m moaning | 21:05 |
| dwatkins | I tend to make up some reason it happened as above, and move on. | 21:05 |
| mungbean | lol | 21:05 |
| mungbean | the main reason is cos its a kids programme | 21:05 |
| dwatkins | this is also true, yes | 21:06 |
| mungbean | everyone knows the sonic screwdriver fixes it every week | 21:06 |
| dwatkins | Yeah, and he can magically read all sorts of information off it and control it without it needing a keyboard. | 21:06 |
| mungbean | they do have a habit of finding the most attractive girls on telly | 21:07 |
| dwatkins | I have two sonic screwdrivers, I used one to put a wardrobe together, but they don't tell me how far above or below sea level I am, sa. | 21:07 |
| dwatkins | *sadly | 21:07 |
| mungbean | next it will be the countdown girly | 21:07 |
| dwatkins | haha, Carol would be great as a companion. | 21:07 |
| mungbean | my one is always out of charge when i need it most | 21:08 |
| mungbean | no, rachel is the CG now | 21:08 |
| dwatkins | oh righyt | 21:08 |
| mungbean | that wouls be funny though CV as dr who girl | 21:08 |
| dwatkins | :D | 21:09 |
| bigcalm | Yay, irssi proxy via firewall. Hope it stays safe | 21:12 |
| bigcalm | Anybody here use nut for UPS monitoring? | 21:12 |
| Lil-|^Red | OT | Could S -Ubuntu be called "Socotra" Release ? ::: | http://www.thecircumference.org/socotra-island :: Note: Ignore if misguided. | | 21:14 |
| Lil-|^Red | leaves. | 21:14 |
| Laney | O_O | 21:14 |
| Myrtti | so random. | 21:14 |
| dwatkins | Ubuntu Scotland | 21:14 |
| mungbean | nahm they'll be wanting independence before long | 21:16 |
| mungbean | so excited at my new airbrush delivery, have zero time to use it :( | 21:17 |
| StevenR | bigcalm: I used apcupsd. Was dead simple. Even wrote a script to put it into nagios :) | 21:22 |
| bigcalm | StevenR: I've used apcupsd with APC upses. My current UPS is by Belkin, hence needing another solution. Nut seems to support it but I'm having trouble | 21:23 |
| * popey boggles | 21:27 | |
| StevenR | ah | 21:29 |
| * bigcalm googles | 21:29 | |
| * Laney gobbles | 21:29 | |
| bigcalm | This is confusing | 21:31 |
| * dwatkins goggles | 21:33 | |
| * mungbean wobbles | 21:33 | |
| * dwatkins dabbles | 21:33 | |
| bigcalm | So, any UPS monitor systems that work with Belkin UPSes? | 21:37 |
| popey | what do you use a ups for? | 21:38 |
| popey | desktop? | 21:38 |
| bigcalm | Microserver, cable modem, router, desktop | 21:39 |
| popey | you get a lot of power cuts? | 21:39 |
| bigcalm | popey: no, but it only takes one to really tick you off | 21:39 |
| bigcalm | Using the grill has the chance of throwing the power. So I have to shut everything down just in case | 21:40 |
| * popey reboots into 12.04 | 21:41 | |
| mungbean | i used belkin UPS as door stops before | 21:42 |
| mungbean | they didn't work as UPS | 21:43 |
| dwatkins | I'm overdue a power cut. | 21:46 |
| dwatkins | I live in a block of flats that was built in the 1890s, I'm amazed I can get fast internets at-all, let alone consistent power. | 21:46 |
| mungbean | i just watched a video of a walrus doing situps | 21:54 |
| mungbean | time to finish my internet for the day | 21:54 |
| bigcalm | Rebooting helped | 22:01 |
| dwatkins | My home server has a built-in UPS - it's a netbook ;) | 22:09 |
| popey | gnnnn | 22:09 |
| popey | bug 1167019 | 22:09 |
| lubotu3 | bug 1167019 in linux (Ubuntu) "wifi packet loss on intel Centrino Wireless-N 1000 " [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1167019 | 22:09 |
| popey | _so_ annoying | 22:09 |
| * Lil-|^Red draws his pillow at : penguin42 ,& the angry mob . [OT] http://youtu.be/cOIXmhBh1rY?t=2s | 22:11 | |
| Lil-|^Red | boom \o/ | 22:11 |
| popey | that's getting as annoying | 22:12 |
| shauno | who broke him? | 22:12 |
| mungbean | popey: had a similar bug on centrino 6230 with certain APs | 22:13 |
| mungbean | ended up with a workaroud that disabling wifi power saving via powertop fixed it \o. | 22:13 |
| popey | hmm | 22:13 |
| * popey tries that | 22:13 | |
| mungbean | although it was only manifested on certain APs | 22:13 |
| popey | this never used to be an issue | 22:14 |
| mungbean | our work wifi is all aruba controllers. when they upgraded their firmware i \o/ | 22:14 |
| popey | got worse with 13.04 kernels | 22:14 |
| mungbean | i'm suffering a gpu lockup issue that loads of people getting | 22:14 |
| popey | wireless power saving is already off it seems | 22:14 |
| mungbean | bug 1140716 | 22:14 |
| lubotu3 | bug 1140716 in linux-lts-quantal (Ubuntu Precise) "[regression] 3.5.0-26-generic and 3.2.0-39-generic GPU hangs on Sandybridge" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1140716 | 22:14 |
| mungbean | gone from system lockup->hard reboot required, to 10 sec GPU hang, and then recover working | 22:15 |
| mungbean | after installed 3.5 kernel | 22:15 |
| penguin42 | very few people seem to really understand that stuff | 22:19 |
| mungbean | cute feature in chrome. start typing ebay.co.uk in the url bar, then press tab while doing it | 22:22 |
| mungbean | e.g type eb-tab-kindle | 22:22 |
| popey | mungbean i think you're right | 22:29 |
| popey | i might try 12.04 with the older kernel | 22:29 |
| popey | looks like 12.04 shipped with 3.2.. | 22:30 |
| * popey looks for a 12.04 iso | 22:32 | |
| popey | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/release/ wins | 22:33 |
| popey | maybe not | 22:33 |
| popey | 12.04.2 there | 22:33 |
| penguin42 | popey: It's surprisingly hard to find iso's on ubuntu.com these days | 22:33 |
| popey | even http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/ has 12.04.1 | 22:34 |
| Laney | old-releases.ubuntu.com | 22:34 |
| popey | oh, no it doesnt | 22:34 |
| popey | it lies | 22:34 |
| popey | it says .1 at the top | 22:35 |
| * popey wgets http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/ubuntu-12.04-desktop-amd64.iso while network is working | 22:35 | |
| penguin42 | I would appreciate it if you could get someone to fix it | 22:36 |
| popey | well, anyone could do what I'm doing | 22:37 |
| popey | trying to find out at what kernel version it broke | 22:37 |
| penguin42 | http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/ might help | 22:38 |
| penguin42 | popey: Yeh, but finding the isos is way too hard these days | 22:38 |
| popey | yeah, been doing that | 22:38 |
| dwatkins | ooh, I can boot my Mac from USB, that wasn't possible with Ubuntu before afaik. | 22:40 |
| dwatkins | It got very warm whilst I was typing in insmod commands to the grub prompt. | 22:41 |
| popey | trying to just find an old iso which actually works before updating | 22:41 |
| * popey dd's an iso to usb | 22:41 | |
| dwatkins | don't forget the bs | 22:42 |
| popey | why? | 22:43 |
| shauno | I'm pretty sure the bs option is only there to annoy bsd users :/ | 22:45 |
| penguin42 | popey: Without bb you end up doing 512byte read/writes and it's slow as heck | 22:46 |
| penguin42 | popey: Use bs=1M and it speeds up nicely | 22:46 |
| popey | 732213248 bytes (732 MB) copied, 267.068 s, 2.7 MB/s | 22:47 |
| * popey reboots into retrobuntu | 22:47 | |
| shauno | annoying trivia .. gnu's dd takes bs=1M, and complains 1m isn't a number. bsd's dd takes bs=1m, and complains 1M isn't a number. | 22:48 |
| penguin42 | oh that's annoying | 22:48 |
| penguin42 | shauno: Submit patches for both? | 22:49 |
| shauno | thanks to some variation of murphy's law, I'm positive I get the wrong case more often than I don't | 22:49 |
| penguin42 | well yeh, if you have a pair of confusing things like that you're bound to | 22:50 |
| * popey uses Linux ubuntu 3.2.0-23-generic for a bit | 22:50 | |
| Seeker` | penguin42: patches to both to swap them round? | 22:51 |
| popey | hah | 22:52 |
| penguin42 | Seeker`: Haha no! | 22:52 |
| penguin42 | Seeker`: To let you use either m or M on either; of course they'll each object that the other is wrong | 22:52 |
| Seeker` | just to really confuse the people that have currnetly managed to remember which way round it is :P | 22:52 |
| * Seeker` ponders getting up / staying up to watch the F1 at 6am | 22:53 | |
| penguin42 | 6am doesn't happen on Sundays | 22:53 |
| Seeker` | heh | 22:54 |
| Seeker` | it might do for F1 | 22:54 |
| Seeker` | followed by a looooooong nap | 22:54 |
| * popey installs from one usb stick to another | 22:54 | |
| * popey installs using btrfs for the crack | 22:54 | |
| popey | ubiquity crashed | 22:55 |
| penguin42 | 12.04 you're using? (not .1 or .2 ?) | 22:55 |
| * dwatkins credits popey | 22:55 | |
| penguin42 | I think you're supposed to be able to put the old harrdware layer on the newer 12.04 | 22:56 |
| popey | yes, 12.04 | 22:56 |
| mungbean | when everyone's on btrfs maybe ubuntu can have better snapshotting / system point in time restores | 22:57 |
| penguin42 | popey: Yeh ok, I doubt you'll get much excitement for anyone to fix it in plain 12.04 | 22:57 |
| popey | thats not the goal | 22:57 |
| popey | the goal is to find when it broke | 22:58 |
| penguin42 | nod | 22:58 |
| === SavageWolf_ is now known as SavageWolf | ||
| popey | i want to start from a working machine | 22:58 |
| mungbean | which is the way to find the bug | 22:58 |
| penguin42 | popey: I'd just roll the kernel back (although they might also want the firmware rolling back?) | 22:58 |
| mungbean | aren't there old kernels kicking around on your grub list? | 22:58 |
| popey | penguin42: i know, thats not what i want to do | 22:59 |
| popey | i want to start from a working point | 22:59 |
| penguin42 | ah, ok | 23:00 |
| popey | hmm, ubiquity crashed formatting ext4 too | 23:00 |
| popey | this is not good | 23:00 |
| popey | ubi-usersetup crashed | 23:00 |
| penguin42 | popey: Try 12.04.1 | 23:00 |
| popey | its still formatting and copying files | 23:00 |
| ali1234 | if you want to find where it broke why are you not testing mainline kernels? | 23:01 |
| mungbean | popey is the 1 man wrecking ball | 23:01 |
| popey | "try again" worked | 23:01 |
| popey | ali1234: i will | 23:01 |
| popey | once I get a known good state | 23:02 |
| popey | which 12.04 seems to be so far | 23:02 |
| ali1234 | bisecting across branches isn't fun | 23:02 |
| ali1234 | you'll need to go back to the 3.2.x that the ubuntu kernel is based on and test that | 23:03 |
| popey | yup | 23:03 |
| popey | although getting significant packet loss with 3.2, but not enough to drop my ssh connection it seems | 23:04 |
| popey | Host Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev | 23:04 |
| popey | 1. 192.168.1.1 33.4% 887 7.6 8.4 4.0 131.1 9.7 | 23:04 |
| mungbean | humour me by checking the wifi power saving again? | 23:04 |
| popey | i have an mtr running. and its showing packet loss going up, but this ssh session is surviving | 23:05 |
| popey | mungbean: can i check that without powertop? | 23:05 |
| mungbean | hmm | 23:05 |
| popey | i dont want to apt-get anything while ubiquity is installing | 23:06 |
| popey | (on a live cd) | 23:06 |
| ali1234 | you can poke around in /sys | 23:06 |
| ali1234 | if you can figure out what the numbers and letters mean | 23:06 |
| popey | heh | 23:06 |
| mungbean | maybe iwconfig | 23:06 |
| mungbean | iw wlan0 set power_save on | 23:06 |
| === graingert_ is now known as graingert | ||
| popey | i dont want to set, i want to query surely? | 23:06 |
| popey | Power Management:off | 23:07 |
| popey | that? | 23:07 |
| popey | (from iwconfig) | 23:07 |
| mungbean | off for me, let me check powertop agrees | 23:07 |
| popey | I'll reboot to 13.04 in a bit when this install finishes to see what the setting is there | 23:08 |
| mungbean | powertop says "BAD" so seems to agree PS is off | 23:08 |
| popey | thats what it said for me earlier | 23:08 |
| popey | oh dear. ubiquity shows tweets with & instead of & | 23:11 |
| dwatkins | Thaat's just <silly&gr; | 23:12 |
| penguin42 | why does ubiquity show tweets at all? | 23:12 |
| popey | because its the last slide | 23:12 |
| popey | nothing else to look at, lets promote ubuntu :D | 23:12 |
| SavageWolf | Hmm... People, what is your "impulsive first impression" of my username handle thing? | 23:19 |
| popey | Reminds me of an old sinclair spectrum game | 23:20 |
| popey | but the name escapes me | 23:20 |
| popey | guess my brain is mixing it up with SabreWulf | 23:20 |
| SavageWolf | I keep thinking it's too "violent" or something... o_O | 23:20 |
| popey | change it to SavagePony | 23:20 |
| SavageWolf | Also, the input field seems to have bad kerning... | 23:21 |
| mungbean | savagepond | 23:21 |
| mungbean | by bug byte if i recall | 23:21 |
| popey | also there was a gave made by Savage something.. might just have been Savage | 23:22 |
| popey | which had giant sprites | 23:22 |
| popey | very colourful | 23:22 |
| popey | (for a speccy) | 23:22 |
| popey | http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=0004353 | 23:23 |
| popey | bingo | 23:23 |
| mungbean | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlORNVnhmko | 23:23 |
| SavageWolf | I never grew up with any of those games consoles computer things, annoyingly. | 23:23 |
| SavageWolf | Anyway, I worry that my username will give a bad "first impression" about me, and stuff like that. Especially to future potential employers and such like. | 23:25 |
| SavageWolf | Since I use this name for everything. | 23:25 |
| popey | is it your email address & IM too ? | 23:25 |
| popey | i.e. is it on your CV? | 23:26 |
| shauno | heh, nothing cracks me up like seeing xXepicbaby94Xx@hotmail.com on a CV | 23:26 |
| popey | and do you care what a potential employer thinks? I mean, depends on what your job is really. | 23:26 |
| popey | if you were a game dev then not so much | 23:26 |
| SavageWolf | I have two email addresses, one of them is my real name which I use for "professional" things. | 23:26 |
| popey | as many as two! | 23:26 |
| popey | j/k | 23:26 |
| SavageWolf | And I intend to make games and whatnot. | 23:27 |
| SavageWolf | My personal website thing is essentially my username. | 23:27 |
| popey | \o/ install finished, reboot time | 23:28 |
| SavageWolf | Though I was thinking of making a portfolio site thing where I go "here is what I have made" which uses my real name. | 23:28 |
| mungbean | like github? | 23:28 |
| SavageWolf | I have a github, and my username there is "SavageWolf". | 23:28 |
| popey | \o/ back in 13.04 | 23:29 |
| popey | Power Management:off | 23:29 |
| popey | mungbean: ^ | 23:29 |
| mungbean | was on by defaulr my centrino 6239 | 23:29 |
| mungbean | 6230 | 23:29 |
| popey | network droped a second after you said that | 23:30 |
| popey | drops for ~1 min | 23:30 |
| mungbean | oof | 23:31 |
| mungbean | dmesg says? | 23:31 |
| mungbean | turn off your microwave | 23:31 |
| SavageWolf | It would be so awesome if in syslog there was a line saying "Microwave detected, please turn off microwave before retrying.". | 23:32 |
| popey | got something in dmesg, not super useful | 23:32 |
| mJayk | You dont have a new neighbour do you ? using the same wireless channel | 23:32 |
| popey | it cant be that, i can boot to a different kernel and itsfine | 23:34 |
| mJayk | do the different kernels use different drivers @ all ? | 23:35 |
| popey | gah, this is pissing me off too much now. going to bed | 23:36 |
| popey | completely unusable, will test more tomorrow nn all | 23:36 |
| SavageWolf | I should stop being concerned with what others think of my username, I suppose. | 23:42 |
| shauno | introspection and 1am tends to end up in a bottle of whisky | 23:45 |
| SavageWolf | It's not introspection, it's paranoia. | 23:45 |
| SavageWolf | Anyway, I should go sleep, yes. | 23:46 |
| penguin42 | Net Upgrade Size: -155.98 MiB hmm | 23:51 |
| penguin42 | oops, wrong channel | 23:51 |
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