=== Hornet- is now known as Hornet [07:32] good morning everyone! [07:47] hiya MartijnVdS === GentileBen is now known as RaycisCharles [09:31] good morning everyone, [09:47] Meanwhile in South Korea http://www.youtube.com/user/officialpsy?feature=inp-lt-psy-us [09:58] wow, on my eeepc, while doing apt-get update, the load have gone over 105. [10:07] just went down to under 20, very weird behaviour. [10:56] hi folks, i have a really irritating with my ethernet connection [10:57] * dwatkins assumes NET||abuse accidentally a word [10:57] :) [10:57] huh? [10:58] :P my nick is an old joke from #perl that stuck [10:58] anyway, [10:58] or do you mean i forgot a word in my question? [10:58] Yes, NET||abuse. [10:58] well, doesn't matter, my connection detects that i plug in the wire. [10:59] but on any given boot up, the dhcp never succeeds. [10:59] i reboot andd it can work every second or third bootup [10:59] Does the card show up in lspci and is the module loaded for the card as shown in lsmod? [11:00] ok, one sec [11:00] lspci output is 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 04) [11:01] trying to find it in lsmod [11:01] also, does the card show up in ifconfig? [11:01] yeh, it shows up in ifconfig [11:02] eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr d4:be:d9:10:84:a1 ... etc. [11:02] and if you disable and re-enable networking from the icon near the clock, does it work? [11:02] anyway, on the gui side, the cable goes in. it starts dhcp searching. [11:02] yeh, i've tried that. [11:02] i disconnect the cable and the icon on the top bar notices [11:03] i reconnect then it shows upthere too, and setarts to search but doesn't find it. [11:03] i've tried the disconnect menu option before, i'll try it now again. [11:05] What happens if you try to connect and disconnect to the wired network a few times? [11:05] brobostigon: not weird, just io intensive on a machine with a slow storage device [11:05] jacobw: tried it about 3 times already this boot. [11:06] popey: good point, yes. very true. [11:06] the disconnect menu option and the reconnection eht0_auto option isn't working also [11:10] diconnecting over and over, nothing [11:11] damn, 6 times a charm [11:11] i'm back without rebooting. hah,, what a pain in the ass [11:13] thanks for the input.. wonder why it's so unreliable. [11:17] It sounds like a network-manager problem [11:21] I swear to Gaia I'll buy that password notebook [11:22] * Myrtti stabs Keepass2 a little bit [11:59] Hello everybody, i have strange problem by creating symlinks via udev rules on Ubuntu 12.10. [12:00] This rules is working fine to create a symlink from a ttyACM device [12:00] KERNEL=="ttyACM[0-9]*", SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="1ffb", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0089", MODE="0666", OWNER="thomas", SYMLINK+="ttyServo" [12:00] Now iw want to do the same for a ttyUSB device like an FTDI USB to TTL Converter [12:01] KERNEL=="ttyUSB[0-9]*", SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="0403", ATTRS{idProduct}=="6001", MODE="0666", OWNER="thomas", SYMLINK+="ttyRoboClaw" [12:01] but this rule doesn't work [12:02] Then I tried a simpler rule like this: [12:02] ATTRS{idVendor}=="0403", ATTRS{idProduct}=="6001", MODE="0666", OWNER="thomas", SYMLINK+="ttyRoboClaw" [12:04] but the created symlink links to "ttyRoboClaw -> bus/usb/001/012" the bus instead of the original device path "ttyUSB0" [12:05] I tried several rules but sometimes the rule isn't created and sometimes it i created but points to the bus [12:05] for the ttyACM devices everyting works fine [12:06] also rules work for video devices linke this: [12:06] KERNEL=="video[0-9]*", SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux", ATTRS{idVendor}=="5986", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0361", SYMLINK+="video-cam0" [12:06] but like i told you not for the ttyUSB device, its very stange for me at this point...# [12:07] maybe someone of you have a solution for me [12:07] Thank you [12:19] second client I am still here :) [13:36] how do i display the build dependencies of a package if they are already installed? [14:04] ali1234, apt-cache build-dep packagename? [14:09] E: Invalid operation build-dep [14:17] apt-cache not apt-get [14:18] that isn't an apt-cache command [14:18] yes, that is what i typed. it does not work [14:18] apt-get -s build-dep gedit [14:19] perhaps [14:19] but that probably doesn't help if you have them installed [14:19] yeah that only shows the ones that are not currently installed [14:19] what i did was apt-get source and then look at debian/control [14:21] oh, hang on [14:21] it's showsrc [14:22] doesn't list version requirements though [14:22] and the formatting is generally hard to machine-parse [14:22] that's ok, i don't want to parse it and i don't want really care about ersions as i know the ones in the repos work [14:23] i'm on a system with no -src repos configured and i want to build a package. so i can't apt-get build-dep... so i need to install dependencies manually [15:05] hey peeps, has anyone installed 12.10 on a uefi motherboard recently? We're getting a grub prompt, so I assume we need to follow this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1599293 [15:05] any suggestions welcome, though [15:09] !uefi [15:09] I have installed on UEFI motherboard, and there no difference to an non UEFI motherboard [15:09] UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware, it is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI [15:10] hmm, i wonder why we're getting the grub prompt, then [15:10] what's the problem dwatkins? [15:11] we get a grub prompt booting from usb to install 12.10 amd64 [15:13] dwatkins: Hit tab. [15:13] we get a list of commands, jpds [15:13] 'boot' fails [15:13] dwatkins: live? [15:14] trying the procedure in my link above fails at the point of loading the loopback module, saying we should disable secure boot [15:14] so i guess we should do that ;) [15:14] when did it start happening? [15:15] yes, trying to install from unetbootin-created usb device from the 12.10 64-bit iso [15:15] just trying to find the secure boot settings [15:19] did you format it to fat32 and set bios to boot from usb yeah? [15:20] @ dwatkins [15:22] unetbootin doesn't support uefi [15:22] yay we have a kernel :D [15:22] it has not created a uefi-capable install medium [15:22] followed the instructions in my link, we now have a gui [15:28] dwatkins did your format to fat32? [15:28] you [15:45] magpie: yes, the usb is vfat [15:45] only problem now is that grub hasn't recognised that windows 7 is on the first hard disk, so we can boot windows 7 manually from the uefi, but when powering the machine on it goes straight into Ubuntu with no grub menu [15:46] I suspect this may be because we didn't select the option to mount the partition on which windows 7 is installed during partitioning, not sure though. [15:46] oh [15:47] i.e. ubuntu installed ok, windows 7 still boots manually, but grub never shows the menu [15:47] dwatkins i think you may have forgot to change ur bios setting back? [15:49] aha which setting do we need to change back, magpie? the secure boot one? [15:51] looks like there are three boot records to choose from, two of which identify themselves as 'ubuntu', so presumably one is grub, the other is the newly installed OS [15:51] ii'm not 100% certain because I haven;t had dual boot for a long time but I believe you would need to change it from the usb back to your hard disk [15:51] Is there an editor that will let me print my code with syntax highlighting and indentation? [15:51] then after that it should come up with the promt you need [15:51] we removed the usb stick to avoid possible confusion [15:51] kvarley: vi with syntax on? [15:52] grub is the ubuntu boot [15:52] * kvarley hates vi [15:52] loadeer [15:52] yeah remove the usb [15:52] dwatkins: Any GUI apps? [15:52] reboot and press f12 (usually) [15:52] magpie: aha, it's now showing grub's menu, although it didn't detect windows 7 [15:52] then it will have a list of drives u can boot from as your primary boot [15:53] grub won't detect it [15:53] grub is the ubuntu bootloader [15:53] I mean when the menu.lst was created during install [15:53] iit should be asking u whether u want to boot into grub or whatever windows bootloader is [15:54] have u booted into the bios yet? [15:54] u need to go to the bios to check ur primary boot disk [15:56] there is a much easier way to do this though with this http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/windows-installer [15:56] no, grub doesn't have windows in the boot manu [15:56] *menu [15:56] grub is not the same thing as the bios [15:57] indeed [15:58] assuming u partitioned ur hard drive and grub is on one partition with windows on the other yes? [15:58] pretty much - two physical disks, windows 7 on the first [15:59] oh [15:59] well i think the problem is simpler then [15:59] you have two seperate hard drives each with an install on them? [15:59] yeah [16:00] ur bios is booting into one because you have set it to primary (or that is the default) [16:01] I am not sure how you can set neither as default but I imagine there is a way. What make is ur motherboard, do you know? [16:02] I imagine we probably need to re-run grub-update and get it to detect Windows 7 so it can add it to the menu.lst [16:03] or update-grub [16:03] i would check the bios settings first [16:04] it's probably ur primary hard disk set to the hard disk with the ubuntu install on it [16:06] yeah, we had to change the order to get the grub menu [16:11] I'm guessing we need to install grub to /dev/sda and hope it automatically detects Windows 7 [16:12] * directhex waits for melted computer [16:12] was it not detecting windows when the windows bootloader was default you mean dwatkins? [16:13] installing grub to a partition header is a BIOS/MBR thing. [16:13] it explicitly does not do anyting, and may make your system unbootable, if you're on UEFI-only boot. [16:13] and the model with UEFI is *not* to boot windows from grub. that's not how it works [16:14] the model is to hit the "select boot device" button, typically F12, and pick "Windows Boot Manager" rather than "ubuntu" from the list [16:14] echo directhex [16:16] you can change which EFI application is the default with efibootmgr [16:19] if the system is booting grub before giving you the chance to hit the "select boot device" menu, then you have UEFI Fast Boot enabled (which skips a lot of initialization and jumps straight to the default application) [16:24] * directhex wonders if dwatkins has read any of the above, or if he's facing the charred remains of his computer [16:27] directhex: heh, just been looking in to what's in /boot/efi/efi [16:28] presumably a bootx64.efi (windows boot manager) [16:28] hello [16:29] thanks directhex, this starts to make sense now [16:29] there's no 'press F12' option that I'm aware of on this motherboard, but perhaps it's obfuscated [16:29] how can i make a usb bootable windows xp in ubuntu? [16:30] will unet botin do? [16:30] dwatkins, maybe f2. there's definitely a key. [16:30] debasheez: I don't think so [16:30] debasheez, i don't think so. i'm sure i've done it somehow, but it might have been with the MS utility in wine [16:31] so how do i do that [16:31] but xp is, like, 12 years old. it's not designed for fancy things [16:31] debasheez: no, unetbootin doesn't support XP, there are tools from Microsoft which will allow you to create a bootable USB device with XP, if I remember correctly. [16:31] maybe just Windows 7/Vista, I've not used it [16:31] how can i create it then/ [16:32] my xp is too banged yp [16:32] it does not even connect to internet....half the things dont work [16:32] debasheez: google ' usb boot boot windows '? [16:32] oops, two 'boot' but you get the idea [16:33] yeah i got it [16:33] ah ok, no idea how you'd do this without internet access, I don't think it can be done from within Ubuntu. [16:33] you could just use Ubuntu... [16:33] You can do it from Powershell or cmd.exe, and there's Windows applications that can automate the process. [16:34] which one [16:34] I don't think you can do it without Windows utilities/helpers. [16:34] yeah [16:34] WinToFlash [16:34] will wine do the trick? [16:36] I don't know [16:36] hmm lemme try [16:36] the primary bootloader is grub [16:37] then i get an option to choose windows or ubuntu [16:37] What's actually the problem with XP, debasheez? Virus? Malware? BSOD? [16:38] i guess its either a virus or a malware [16:38] there are antivirus bootable images from the likes of AVG, I believe, possibly Symantex too [16:39] Symantec, even. [16:39] i dont think the anti virus will help much [16:39] the right click does not work even [16:39] What are they symptoms, debasheez? [16:39] *the [16:40] well right click does not work [16:40] network properties does not open [16:40] that could just be a hardware problem [16:41] sounds like the install is just bonged [16:41] it happens [16:41] windows degrades [16:41] and i let my pc be used my noobs [16:41] plugged in their infected usb [16:42] and slowly the windows is unusable [16:43] let me reboot and try installing it via win 2 flash [16:43] wine does not seem to work here [16:45] n00bs, indeed. [16:45] new Dr Who bbc1 6pm, [16:46] sounds like a good time to go grocery shopping then [16:47] ah. [16:47] iPlayer ftw! [16:47] :) [16:48] Whoop whoop [16:49] can I make a suggestion? [16:49] no spoilers? [16:49] don't worry about windows you don't really need it :) [16:57] looks like my friend is happy to just manually select the disk from the bios/efi [16:58] the application, not the disk :D [16:59] booting "a disk" or "a partition" is a MBR thing [17:01] ah i see, thanks - i have a lot to learn/update [17:01] bbl, catching the bus [17:06] * popey fixes bug 1168160 [17:06] bug 1168160 in popey "Hair cut required" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1168160 [17:07] lol [17:14] dwatkins, basically, with BIOS, when booting the computer, there's 448 bytes (iirc) of 16-bit 8086 code near the start of the disk drive, which is executed on your 16-bit 8086. this code may contain just enough code to load more code from somewhere else on disk, or a redirect to another 448 bytes of 16 bit 8086 machine code on the header of a partition (rather than the header of an entire drive) [17:21] W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring-security/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages Cannot initiate the connection to fe80::211:3bff:fe17:c2d5:8000 (fe80::211:3bff:fe17:c2d5). - connect (22: Invalid argument) [17:22] why is it doing ipv6? [17:23] apt-get update isn't working because it wants to do v6 connections it seems, I can ping stuff and it pings the normal IP address just fine [17:24] I don't believe security.ubuntu.com has an ipv6 address. and it's certainly not fe80::, that's link local (eg, it's you, or the other end of the wire, and nothing else) [17:24] oh [17:25] oh, they do hvae ipv6 now .. that's news to me. but the link-local bit stands [17:26] ah, might be squid-deb-proxy getting upset about something [17:27] yup, it was [17:29] how do I tell apport to just let things crash and not be annoying? [17:30] ah, /etc/default/apport [17:31] * dwatkins clicks 'restart current programme' on iplayer [17:32] directhex: ah yes, the two stages of grub, I assume [17:33] AlanBell: Yep [19:06] Good evening peeps [19:06] popey: mcping [19:12] evening [19:13] how was doctor whop compared to last week? [19:13] mungbean: miles better. [19:13] last week getting 2/10 [19:14] the singing one was dreadful [19:14] yeah shockingly bad [19:15] i didnt watch a whole series once when that tate cvame along [19:16] I like Clara [19:16] billie piper has my preference. [19:17] really? [19:17] yes. [19:17] that was when the writing got stupid [19:17] Afternoon all [19:17] love/messiah/cap jack [19:17] pfft [19:17] the best companion was Jamie McCrimmon. [19:17] the bimbo boy [19:18] River Song was also very good, much better than Amy [19:18] i just tried to open an easter egg and failed [19:18] Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart? [19:19] I remember him from the books, never watched those ones [19:19] that was the doctor that had the intertial damping car [19:19] bessie I think [19:19] i joined love film purely for dr who reasons [19:20] theres a cool cybermen one wher they lost 2 episodes and animated them [19:20] but really well [19:20] they basically burned most of the second doctor [19:20] to save storage space [19:22] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invasion_(Doctor_Who) [19:23] mungbean: Can you get love film on Android ? [19:24] this was 7 yrs ago and exhausted their suiuply of dr who dvd in the post [19:24] then i cancelled after no more left to watch that i hadnt seen [19:24] ah okdokay [19:53] Anyone around tonight? [19:53] Not really [19:54] Evening anyway :) [19:54] Evening. How are you? [19:54] Wishing for longer weekends. You? [19:55] Looking forward to a fairly settled Sunday. [19:55] Have you any plans for the rest of the weekend? [19:58] Evening [19:58] OT | FYI Linode admin P/words need updating BTW. :::: || http://blog.linode.com/2013/04/12/security-notice-linode-manager-password-reset/ || [19:58] leaves. === GentileBen is now known as GentilePotato [20:30] yes, this dr who is an improvement on last week [20:31] how was the lanuage transation working, tardis was not in vicinity? [20:33] same way it works on star trek even when they are not on the ship [20:33] usually they say, ooh tardis is nearby, the language matrix works [20:34] ali1234: those are built after TOS into the communicators. in TOS they used to be seperate devices. [20:35] * AlanBell thought it was the bable fish [20:36] * brobostigon walks around moping like marvin. [20:37] ali1234: i do believe it is babel fish. [20:37] AlanBell: i do believe it is babel fish. [20:37] sorry ali1234 [20:39] also why do daleks have a strong accent but the russians have english accent [20:39] lol, same problem, why dont the daleks speal [20:40] lol, same problem, why dont the daleks speak dals spoke? [20:40] the same language, [20:41] same reasoning, why doesnt davros neither.? [20:42] although i think davros was a kaled. [20:49] things weren't being translated last week [20:49] well, some things - the barking [20:57] and allons-y [20:58] maybee dr whitelists some words [20:59] or maybe theres millions of holes in the plot every week [21:00] but they get cute assistants to dazzle the people who might notice [21:00] I don't mind little translation issues, perhaps the barking was an exception somehow, or the Tardis had never encountered it before. Plot holes are annoying, though. [21:01] i cant help thinking that the best way to get measles is to stand in a queue with other unvaccinated kids [21:01] Hence chicken pox parties. [21:02] needed a wee since 8pm, but sleeping baby might wake as shes on my lap..#dadproblems [21:02] aww [21:03] all i can do is surf and watch tv [21:03] I thought kids slept through anything. [21:03] There's a massive continuity failure in the film The Punisher - he gets shot, but then later on his t-shirt is fine. [21:03] only when the bottle aint finished [21:03] Perhaps he has a wardrobe full of them. [21:04] in a recent dr who episode, they drove out of the tardis on a motorbike/harley [21:04] yeah, that was cool [21:04] then as they drove away the door was shut [21:04] but noboydy closed it [21:04] I noticed that, he's closed the door by clicking his fingers in the past, though. [21:04] He should have done that then. [21:04] they stayed on the doc the whole time [21:04] indeed [21:04] yeah [21:05] Just a bit of a continuity failure. [21:05] yeah spoils it for me [21:05] and for the missis cos then i;m moaning [21:05] I tend to make up some reason it happened as above, and move on. [21:05] lol [21:05] the main reason is cos its a kids programme [21:06] this is also true, yes [21:06] everyone knows the sonic screwdriver fixes it every week [21:06] Yeah, and he can magically read all sorts of information off it and control it without it needing a keyboard. [21:07] they do have a habit of finding the most attractive girls on telly [21:07] I have two sonic screwdrivers, I used one to put a wardrobe together, but they don't tell me how far above or below sea level I am, sa. [21:07] *sadly [21:07] next it will be the countdown girly [21:07] haha, Carol would be great as a companion. [21:08] my one is always out of charge when i need it most [21:08] no, rachel is the CG now [21:08] oh righyt [21:08] that wouls be funny though CV as dr who girl [21:09] :D [21:12] Yay, irssi proxy via firewall. Hope it stays safe [21:12] Anybody here use nut for UPS monitoring? [21:14] OT | Could S -Ubuntu be called "Socotra" Release ? ::: | http://www.thecircumference.org/socotra-island :: Note: Ignore if misguided. | [21:14] leaves. [21:14] O_O [21:14] so random. [21:14] Ubuntu Scotland [21:16] nahm they'll be wanting independence before long [21:17] so excited at my new airbrush delivery, have zero time to use it :( [21:22] bigcalm: I used apcupsd. Was dead simple. Even wrote a script to put it into nagios :) [21:23] StevenR: I've used apcupsd with APC upses. My current UPS is by Belkin, hence needing another solution. Nut seems to support it but I'm having trouble [21:27] * popey boggles [21:29] ah [21:29] * bigcalm googles [21:29] * Laney gobbles [21:31] This is confusing [21:33] * dwatkins goggles [21:33] * mungbean wobbles [21:33] * dwatkins dabbles [21:37] So, any UPS monitor systems that work with Belkin UPSes? [21:38] what do you use a ups for? [21:38] desktop? [21:39] Microserver, cable modem, router, desktop [21:39] you get a lot of power cuts? [21:39] popey: no, but it only takes one to really tick you off [21:40] Using the grill has the chance of throwing the power. So I have to shut everything down just in case [21:41] * popey reboots into 12.04 [21:42] i used belkin UPS as door stops before [21:43] they didn't work as UPS [21:46] I'm overdue a power cut. [21:46] I live in a block of flats that was built in the 1890s, I'm amazed I can get fast internets at-all, let alone consistent power. [21:54] i just watched a video of a walrus doing situps [21:54] time to finish my internet for the day [22:01] Rebooting helped [22:09] My home server has a built-in UPS - it's a netbook ;) [22:09] gnnnn [22:09] bug 1167019 [22:09] bug 1167019 in linux (Ubuntu) "wifi packet loss on intel Centrino Wireless-N 1000 " [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1167019 [22:09] _so_ annoying [22:11] * Lil-|^Red draws his pillow at : penguin42 ,& the angry mob . [OT] http://youtu.be/cOIXmhBh1rY?t=2s [22:11] boom \o/ [22:12] that's getting as annoying [22:12] who broke him? [22:13] popey: had a similar bug on centrino 6230 with certain APs [22:13] ended up with a workaroud that disabling wifi power saving via powertop fixed it \o. [22:13] hmm [22:13] * popey tries that [22:13] although it was only manifested on certain APs [22:14] this never used to be an issue [22:14] our work wifi is all aruba controllers. when they upgraded their firmware i \o/ [22:14] got worse with 13.04 kernels [22:14] i'm suffering a gpu lockup issue that loads of people getting [22:14] wireless power saving is already off it seems [22:14] bug 1140716 [22:14] bug 1140716 in linux-lts-quantal (Ubuntu Precise) "[regression] 3.5.0-26-generic and 3.2.0-39-generic GPU hangs on Sandybridge" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1140716 [22:15] gone from system lockup->hard reboot required, to 10 sec GPU hang, and then recover working [22:15] after installed 3.5 kernel [22:19] very few people seem to really understand that stuff [22:22] cute feature in chrome. start typing ebay.co.uk in the url bar, then press tab while doing it [22:22] e.g type eb-tab-kindle [22:29] mungbean i think you're right [22:29] i might try 12.04 with the older kernel [22:30] looks like 12.04 shipped with 3.2.. [22:32] * popey looks for a 12.04 iso [22:33] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/release/ wins [22:33] maybe not [22:33] 12.04.2 there [22:33] popey: It's surprisingly hard to find iso's on ubuntu.com these days [22:34] even http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/ has 12.04.1 [22:34] old-releases.ubuntu.com [22:34] oh, no it doesnt [22:34] it lies [22:35] it says .1 at the top [22:35] * popey wgets http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/ubuntu-12.04-desktop-amd64.iso while network is working [22:36] I would appreciate it if you could get someone to fix it [22:37] well, anyone could do what I'm doing [22:37] trying to find out at what kernel version it broke [22:38] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/ might help [22:38] popey: Yeh, but finding the isos is way too hard these days [22:38] yeah, been doing that [22:40] ooh, I can boot my Mac from USB, that wasn't possible with Ubuntu before afaik. [22:41] It got very warm whilst I was typing in insmod commands to the grub prompt. [22:41] trying to just find an old iso which actually works before updating [22:41] * popey dd's an iso to usb [22:42] don't forget the bs [22:43] why? [22:45] I'm pretty sure the bs option is only there to annoy bsd users :/ [22:46] popey: Without bb you end up doing 512byte read/writes and it's slow as heck [22:46] popey: Use bs=1M and it speeds up nicely [22:47] 732213248 bytes (732 MB) copied, 267.068 s, 2.7 MB/s [22:47] * popey reboots into retrobuntu [22:48] annoying trivia .. gnu's dd takes bs=1M, and complains 1m isn't a number. bsd's dd takes bs=1m, and complains 1M isn't a number. [22:48] oh that's annoying [22:49] shauno: Submit patches for both? [22:49] thanks to some variation of murphy's law, I'm positive I get the wrong case more often than I don't [22:50] well yeh, if you have a pair of confusing things like that you're bound to [22:50] * popey uses Linux ubuntu 3.2.0-23-generic for a bit [22:51] penguin42: patches to both to swap them round? [22:52] hah [22:52] Seeker`: Haha no! [22:52] Seeker`: To let you use either m or M on either; of course they'll each object that the other is wrong [22:52] just to really confuse the people that have currnetly managed to remember which way round it is :P [22:53] * Seeker` ponders getting up / staying up to watch the F1 at 6am [22:53] 6am doesn't happen on Sundays [22:54] heh [22:54] it might do for F1 [22:54] followed by a looooooong nap [22:54] * popey installs from one usb stick to another [22:54] * popey installs using btrfs for the crack [22:55] ubiquity crashed [22:55] 12.04 you're using? (not .1 or .2 ?) [22:55] * dwatkins credits popey [22:56] I think you're supposed to be able to put the old harrdware layer on the newer 12.04 [22:56] yes, 12.04 [22:57] when everyone's on btrfs maybe ubuntu can have better snapshotting / system point in time restores [22:57] popey: Yeh ok, I doubt you'll get much excitement for anyone to fix it in plain 12.04 [22:57] thats not the goal [22:58] the goal is to find when it broke [22:58] nod === SavageWolf_ is now known as SavageWolf [22:58] i want to start from a working machine [22:58] which is the way to find the bug [22:58] popey: I'd just roll the kernel back (although they might also want the firmware rolling back?) [22:58] aren't there old kernels kicking around on your grub list? [22:59] penguin42: i know, thats not what i want to do [22:59] i want to start from a working point [23:00] ah, ok [23:00] hmm, ubiquity crashed formatting ext4 too [23:00] this is not good [23:00] ubi-usersetup crashed [23:00] popey: Try 12.04.1 [23:00] its still formatting and copying files [23:01] if you want to find where it broke why are you not testing mainline kernels? [23:01] popey is the 1 man wrecking ball [23:01] "try again" worked [23:01] ali1234: i will [23:02] once I get a known good state [23:02] which 12.04 seems to be so far [23:02] bisecting across branches isn't fun [23:03] you'll need to go back to the 3.2.x that the ubuntu kernel is based on and test that [23:03] yup [23:04] although getting significant packet loss with 3.2, but not enough to drop my ssh connection it seems [23:04] Host Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev [23:04] 1. 192.168.1.1 33.4% 887 7.6 8.4 4.0 131.1 9.7 [23:04] humour me by checking the wifi power saving again? [23:05] i have an mtr running. and its showing packet loss going up, but this ssh session is surviving [23:05] mungbean: can i check that without powertop? [23:05] hmm [23:06] i dont want to apt-get anything while ubiquity is installing [23:06] (on a live cd) [23:06] you can poke around in /sys [23:06] if you can figure out what the numbers and letters mean [23:06] heh [23:06] maybe iwconfig [23:06] iw wlan0 set power_save on === graingert_ is now known as graingert [23:06] i dont want to set, i want to query surely? [23:07] Power Management:off [23:07] that? [23:07] (from iwconfig) [23:07] off for me, let me check powertop agrees [23:08] I'll reboot to 13.04 in a bit when this install finishes to see what the setting is there [23:08] powertop says "BAD" so seems to agree PS is off [23:08] thats what it said for me earlier [23:11] oh dear. ubiquity shows tweets with & instead of & [23:12] Thaat's just <silly&gr; [23:12] why does ubiquity show tweets at all? [23:12] because its the last slide [23:12] nothing else to look at, lets promote ubuntu :D [23:19] Hmm... People, what is your "impulsive first impression" of my username handle thing? [23:20] Reminds me of an old sinclair spectrum game [23:20] but the name escapes me [23:20] guess my brain is mixing it up with SabreWulf [23:20] I keep thinking it's too "violent" or something... o_O [23:20] change it to SavagePony [23:21] Also, the input field seems to have bad kerning... [23:21] savagepond [23:21] by bug byte if i recall [23:22] also there was a gave made by Savage something.. might just have been Savage [23:22] which had giant sprites [23:22] very colourful [23:22] (for a speccy) [23:23] http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=0004353 [23:23] bingo [23:23] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlORNVnhmko [23:23] I never grew up with any of those games consoles computer things, annoyingly. [23:25] Anyway, I worry that my username will give a bad "first impression" about me, and stuff like that. Especially to future potential employers and such like. [23:25] Since I use this name for everything. [23:25] is it your email address & IM too ? [23:26] i.e. is it on your CV? [23:26] heh, nothing cracks me up like seeing xXepicbaby94Xx@hotmail.com on a CV [23:26] and do you care what a potential employer thinks? I mean, depends on what your job is really. [23:26] if you were a game dev then not so much [23:26] I have two email addresses, one of them is my real name which I use for "professional" things. [23:26] as many as two! [23:26] j/k [23:27] And I intend to make games and whatnot. [23:27] My personal website thing is essentially my username. [23:28] \o/ install finished, reboot time [23:28] Though I was thinking of making a portfolio site thing where I go "here is what I have made" which uses my real name. [23:28] like github? [23:28] I have a github, and my username there is "SavageWolf". [23:29] \o/ back in 13.04 [23:29] Power Management:off [23:29] mungbean: ^ [23:29] was on by defaulr my centrino 6239 [23:29] 6230 [23:30] network droped a second after you said that [23:30] drops for ~1 min [23:31] oof [23:31] dmesg says? [23:31] turn off your microwave [23:32] It would be so awesome if in syslog there was a line saying "Microwave detected, please turn off microwave before retrying.". [23:32] got something in dmesg, not super useful [23:32] You dont have a new neighbour do you ? using the same wireless channel [23:34] it cant be that, i can boot to a different kernel and itsfine [23:35] do the different kernels use different drivers @ all ? [23:36] gah, this is pissing me off too much now. going to bed [23:36] completely unusable, will test more tomorrow nn all [23:42] I should stop being concerned with what others think of my username, I suppose. [23:45] introspection and 1am tends to end up in a bottle of whisky [23:45] It's not introspection, it's paranoia. [23:46] Anyway, I should go sleep, yes. [23:51] Net Upgrade Size: -155.98 MiB hmm [23:51] oops, wrong channel